May 20, 2026

Phasers Set To Stun: Star Trek TOS | The "Other" Pilot | Where No Man Has Gone Before

Phasers Set To Stun: Star Trek TOS | The "Other" Pilot | Where No Man Has Gone Before
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Season 7

On Phasers Set To Stun, we recognize the popularity of all things Star Trek, with a look at the television shows, animation, movies, and much more!

We're celebrating 60 years of Star Trek by warping back to the beginning to examine the original series! Wayne, David, and Scott are on the bridge to debate the merit of the "other" pilot episode, Where No Man Has Gone Before!

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Space the Final Frontier. Join us for a bold conversation

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our prime directive to recap our favorite Star Trek shows,

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both new and old, to engage in debate about all

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things Trek. Prepare to energize with Phasers Set to Stunt.

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Hello everyone, and welcome back to Phasers Set to Stun.

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In this ongoing series from a film by a podcast,

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we continue to show our love for every quadrant of

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the expanding Star Trek universe by covering television, animation, movies, directors, merchandise,

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and much more. Plotting the course, as always is your

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Core Trek crew.

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I'm Scott Hofmann, I'm David Burns, and I'm Wayne Whiten.

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And in this episode we're continuing our coverage of the

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original series with the other pilot episode, Is that fair

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to say?

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The official Sure Sure where No Man.

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Has Gone Before? Written by Samuel A. Peoples and directed

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by James Goldstone. So this is technically the second pilot

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episode or the first. It really gets confusing for me

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as a first timer. So we have Captain Kirk replacing

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Captain Pike for listeners, and we also have a little

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more than half of our classic crew. So without further

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ado let's break down this story, David, why don't you

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give us a summary of what this is all about.

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In the second and official pilot, we're introduced to the

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Enterprise and its crew, though the lineup isn't quite complete yet.

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Captain Kirk and the crew respond to a distress call

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and recover a ship's recorder from a missing vessel using

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information it contains. The attempt to push past the edge

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of the galaxy. The crossing trigger theonic abilities into crew members.

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As their powers rapidly grow, they become a threat to

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everyone aboard, forcing Kirk to make an impossible choice maroon

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them or kill them before they become too powerful to stop.

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So when is this How does this stuck up in

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your opinion versus the Cage as kind of the battle

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between pilots.

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Well, it's a good episode. I don't think it's as

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great as The Cage, but I definitely see why they

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did it the way they did it. There's a lot

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more action now. I like the characterizations. Now we're starting

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to get part of the regular casts that we're familiar

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with here, and but they're not quite there yet. The

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stets aren't quite there, the costumes aren't quite there. But

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story wise it's not bad. I mean, it's it's not

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one of my favorite episodes, but it's not a bad story.

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I mean it has a lot in common, I think,

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with the other one because it has kind of a

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Twilight Zone kind of tripa edge to it.

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Is that fair.

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A little bit of mind bending? It feels like almost

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kind of It's hard hard not to see similarities with

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Q kind of entities in this one, minus the tinfoil eyes,

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So I'm glad that they were able to move away

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from that at a certain point. Dave, what do you

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thought about the thoughts about the crew that we have

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in this one? It's almost the classic crew but not quite.

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Sulu is there, although he's not a pilot yet. No bones,

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no Checkov. What's your assessment of the almost crew we've

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got here.

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I think the problem is I'm if I'm looking at

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through the glass of today, it feels awkward, right because

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you know, you're missing some folks and the uniforms are

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just ridiculously off because as we know, when they filmed this,

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they didn't have that stuff set yet. But it just

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seems very strange to me. Kirk obviously acts like Kirk.

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There's no change there. I that's that's the Kirk week

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we know, and we we growed to law Spock and

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their relationship is already there. You see it being developed quickly. Here.

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Scott's there, which I'm glad to see. And Sulu was

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in a very weird position. I think was he a

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physicist or something like.

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That physicist quote.

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Which seems really weird to me, knowing who we're going

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to get from Sula later on. But the rest of

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the crew just felt off to me. The doctor, not

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the female doctor. What was her name, and it was

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doctor Piper. Doctor Piper was the one who just baffled

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me to no ends because he literally just popped up

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when you need him me and he would just disappear again.

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And I just he just didn't flow to me at all. Uh.

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Doctor Dinners, I liked her, and and but other than that,

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the rest of the crew just felt off to me.

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I found it really odd that. First of all, let

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me state that the death count in this episode is

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really rather high. But I found it really odd that

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they introduced a lot of these characters and some of

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them are in reck major positions, such as like Mitchell.

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You know, he's the first officer just to kill them off.

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And in the pilot, in the first episode of the series,

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you're killing off all these characters. That's pretty rough for

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someone who's just tuning in, not knowing anything about it,

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and all of a sudden boom after your characters are gone.

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You know, do I want to come back the next week?

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Of course, you know, obviously we do. But you know,

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back in nineteen sixty six when this first aired, I'm

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not sure I would have. I don't know if how

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I would have taken to this series. I'm not sure

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what I would have thought about after watching this first episode.

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Like you said, David, it does remind have a Yeah,

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I think she said it was a little bit like

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Twilight Zone. I guess that's the only context. Did you

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just get? Sorry, man, but that's the only context you

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really have at this point, because still, I mean, we're

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still really early in sci fi on television. You got

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to let's see the first season Loss in Space has aired,

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two seasons of Voyage of the Bottom of the Sea

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and Twilight Zone. That's about it. Yeah, so you know,

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that's I don't know, I'm just not sure how I

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feel about this episode.

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Yeah, I'll go back to what you were asked talking

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about earlier. I think the Cage was a better pilot

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because it felt like the crew was more complete than

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it is here. It just feels off to me. And

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again that's not because we know looking at today that

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we're missing m koy and check Off and horror and

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all that stuff. But when you when you, when you

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really look at it, You're right. It seems kind of

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awkward for this time period to jump right into that

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and kill off one of the main characters. I mean, what, really,

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what are you doing today? I can see that working

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because it's happened, yeah, but back then, no, I'm surprised.

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I can see why this became what the third episode

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instead of the pilot, so I can see why they

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decided to do that. I almost feel like I and

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Barry did it on purpose, like he knew he wasn't

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happy with a few of the people that they cast

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or that are in these roles, because he knew he

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was going to replace him eventually. Maybe because I'll go

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back to like doctor Piper, I did not like his

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character at all. I didn't like the actor, and I'm

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not put anything against the actor. I just felt like

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he didn't work that the previous doctor in the Cage

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did I was okay with it because he felt more

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like McCoy. Yeahs as far as you can get from McCoy.

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It felt like, am I wrong?

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No, I think you're hitting it. I mean it feels

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just like the personality dynamics weren't there. Like in the

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in the Cage, you had the dynamics between Number one

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and Captain Pike and Spock and the doctor at least

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a core crew that had enough differences in their personality,

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but they were also complimentary of each other, so it

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kind of felt like you had some kind of investment

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in their relationships with each other. Here, it didn't seem

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like there was that kind of connection. Yeah, you really

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had the most involvement from Kelso and doctor Denner, Spock, Kirk,

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and Mitchell, but Mitchell very quickly becomes adversarial and doctor

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Denner almost becomes like will she won't she kind of

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character that you're always kind of watching. So I don't know,

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it just didn't have the same kind of dynamics and way.

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And it's interesting that you mention that because it's almost

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like a rogue one kind of situation where it's kind

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of like Okay, well, if everybody's dead at the beginning

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of the like, who do I invest in any kind

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of carry in for this for any kind of future episodes.

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But you literally can tell that the focus was going

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to be on Kirk and Spot. You can tell, I mean,

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that was the main focus in this episode, and you

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could tell that that.

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Relation, which was smart. It is, Yeah, that was smart.

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You're going to see that relationship is building and developing here.

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I mean you're going to see the comedic relationship between

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the two and the whole chessing beginning when Spock thought

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he had Kirk, you know, and then then Kirk surprises

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him with that. And even when they were on the

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going to the bridge and they were asking about playing chess,

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and Kirk was you know, the one that the little

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nod thing about, you know, basically cut for the he

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he took Spock out basically right. And then the whole

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ending thing too, when when when he talked about how

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sometimes you surprise this mister Spock. Uh, that that whole inding.

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So you see that developing already, and I love that,

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And so you can see that was becoming the focus.

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They were just going to add on the characters that

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we Know and Love Today a little bit later on.

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So yeah, I think that's one of the things that

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was a good hook for this episode and for the

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series is William Shatner's charismatic performance as Kirk. He kind

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of feels like he's naturally been there for a while.

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Of all the characters, he feels the most established, because yeah,

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I mean the chess scene is a is a great

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example of that. He's just kind of like smirking and

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laughing with this spock. It feels like he's been around

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for a while that he's very familiar with it. And

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I think that helped to kind of get people into Knada,

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you know, the the flow of the show and feel

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like he's somebody that could reliably follow.

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And it didn't take them along to stout realizing they

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need to rip off waved kind of shirt, right, I mean.

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Right, there's rocks falling on him. What happens to exactly agree,

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and enough of an opportunity for him to do his

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classic roll.

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I wanted you know, you mentioned the doctor and I

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was actually rather surprised when I did my ree that

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he was sort of kind of a fill in character

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because Roddenberry wanted DeForest Kelly, but couldn't get him because

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he was busy, so they kind of put him in

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here and then they realized the character didn't work and

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they were able to get to Forced. But but I

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want to talk a little bit about this doctor, doctor Piper.

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I fort got completely about this character, totally totally about

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that it even exists. But now now wait a minute, Now,

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let's let's think about this because we you know, we

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we talked for ten weeks about Strange New Worlds and

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we've been wondering when we're going to be going from

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the Benga to McCoy. Well, now this throws a little

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bit of a spanner in the works because there's someone

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in between. So, you know, are they going to deal this?

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I wonder how they're going to deal with us or

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if they are going to deal with this, And then,

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not to mention Commander Mitchell, are they going to deal

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with him?

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You know.

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This this has completely changed my outlook on how how

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the last two seasons that show's.

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Going to go. You're right, Wayne, I never thought about that.

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How are they going to handle that in Strange New

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world or are they maybe since they're kind of rewriting

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it a little bit that they're just gonna like kind

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of like push that off. You know that we're not

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going to do that, but very interesting at least if

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they don't give us some kind of characters in the

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background who are named those characters so we can least

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see them somewhere, right, I think that would Yeah, fun,

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fun touch to the original Pa star Trek. Yeah, nice

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little continuity. Yeah, yeah, I love that, you know I do.

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But that's a good bring up, though, Wayne, I getty,

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I even think about that.

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Maybe there will just be some one off episodes where

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a doctor Piper comes in to help doctor em Benga

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and it's quickly shuffled off, and the other one is

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just a bartender, but everybody calls him doctor or.

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Some other.

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I know there is I don't remember which one it is,

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but there is a novel that explains it that McCoy

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was away for on some sort of symposium or something

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for a couple of weeks and and doctor Piper came

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in to fill for him on the Enterprise and then

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this episode just story just happens to happen during that time.

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I kind of like that idea that he's just there for,

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you know, just taking a place from acoy as he's

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on vacation.

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You know that's interesting. Yeah, I mean, you know, kind

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of taking an off ram for a second. I hope

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something they do with strange New Worlds knowing that it's

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coming to and and is to kind of like leave

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little seeds, little traces where people could you for you know,

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comic offshoots or novelizations or animated or whatever. Who knows,

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maybe we'll get the Adventures of Doctor Piper will be

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a major short track or something like that.

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That totally sounds like a lower deck episode.

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I we'll speaking of doctors. What are our thoughts on

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Doctor Dinner seeing Sally Kellman, who we know in Love

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from nineteen eighty six is back to school but also

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the first major Hulihan from Mash Right, yes for the

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cinematic version. Thoughts on Sally Kellman at this one, Well.

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She's great. She she was good. It's a good start

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for a guest start because she was a big name

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at that point anyway, special at least in television. I

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hadn't quite hit the stardom that she had with the

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when she did Mash, but she was a good catch

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for the pilot episode. I can see why they cast her,

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and she's fantastic. I think she's she's great. It Actually

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I like the character of doctor Denny killed her off

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because once again, it would have been nice to see

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a little bit more of her on the show. But

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of course she's just a guest start for the episode.

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I love her, she I love her in all of

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her work. She's she's a fantastic actress.

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Yeah, I completely agree with that. She she did. I

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did like her a lot. Doctor Piper could have done

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without but her. I really I really enjoyed seeing her

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on screen and her performance. She she had some good

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chemistry with William Shatner, she absolutely did, and to Shane,

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we couldn't get to see a lot more of that.

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Yeah. I think she also did a great job opposite

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Gary Lockwood as Gary Chel Yep, it seemed like she

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she wasn't as enthusiastic about pursuing these powers before she

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even knew that she would have them, but it seemed

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like if things had gone another way, she might have

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been able to temper him a little bit more.

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Yeah. How about something I completely forgot about that Kirk

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was a teacher.

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Really, Yeah, I missed that.

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Yeah, it's mentioned in there. With Mitchell. They're having that

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conversation he taught Mitchell. He even says that, So I'm like,

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wait a minute, what Kirk was a teacher.

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It's odd.

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Yeah, it doesn't fit. And the fact in this episode

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his middle name was R.

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Kirk just on the tombstone. Yeah, yeah, it's because like

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Mitchell just messed it up. He wasn't that good a student.

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I'm guessing that's what it was. He was just playing

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with him, right, sure, yeah, we'll go with that. Yeah,

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more stuff. I'm sure. I'm surprised of the Lord Deck

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thing go after.

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If only we had time.

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Yeah.

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So, as far as Mitchell and Dinner are concerned, something

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that came up for me as the first timer was

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kind of wondering if they were supposed to be kind

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of emerging Q kind of things. Are we talking not

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quite to that extent, because originally they're talking about as

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ESP So I'm thinking it's, you know, Professor X Jean

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Gray kind of things. But then he gets to the

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planet and he starts doing all this reality altering kind

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of things. So is that more Professor X or more cu.

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It's well, it's been hinted in various media and vaguely

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vaguely on the show that that was Q or what

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it was in Q, like, not not the que that

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we know of from the next generation, but you know

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his race. There have been there have been some mentions

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that they're kind of forcing it a little bit in

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that direction.

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Interesting. Well, it also kind of struck me as interesting

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that it's almost like they're their reaction to seeing Mitchell

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kind of developing these powers, Like Plan A was to

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kill him. B was to maroonum like con on a

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desolate planet. Seemed kind of cold blooded to me.

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The carts move apparently just we can't we can't figure

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it out, just just leave them, good luck. Yeah, And

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I've gotta I've got to mention something. I had to

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giggle every time I watched this episode. And Wayne, you're

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gonna laugh because every time I heard Mitchell was like,

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Mitchell Mitchell, I did the same three thousand every freaking time,

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and I.

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Chuckled Mitchell, Yeah, the same way. We both think Alike. Hey,

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you know remember wait, I'm not sure if you remember, David,

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we met Gary Locke with years and years ago. You

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remember that we did, yeah, way back in two thousand

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at Dragon cod convention.

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Yeah, I'm sure did.

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I didn't get a Start Trek autograph from him for

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some unknown reason. I don't know why.

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The kind of strains that we didn't do that very interesting,

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but he right?

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Did he have the shiny eyes still exactly?

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Yeah?

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So one question is this kind of connects to other things?

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The galactic barrier that mentioned a couple of times, and

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of course the first thing that I made me think

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of is Final Frontier or right.

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The movie, you have to bring that one up? Why

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are you?

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I just gotta are those connected in some can of way?

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And like, nah, just forget it exists.

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Just forget it exists.

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That's what it was from what I understand, And I

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didn't do the research on this, but I'm pretty sure

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if I remember right, the this scalactic barrier is the

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barrier around the edge of the galaxy, while the one

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in the Final Frontier was the barrier around the center

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of the galaxy. There's too many barriers in this galaxy.

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I don't know where we fenced in or something.

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I don't know. I'm confused. I thought I thought I

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thought it was endless, but okay, whatever, Well.

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Their mission is to go where no man has gone

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before up to a certain point, like don't cross this

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sidewalk because you'll know.

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Which By the way, I think because we have the

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narration back now at the beginning for the main title,

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Oh yes, very happy Fly, Its natural.

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Any other standout moments that we will discuss this.

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On not moments. But I do love the very cool

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Matte paintings they use in the original Star Trek stuff.

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I know, I know, like the planets and stuff all

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have that same kind of look as through all three

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seasons of Star Trek for the most part. But man,

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I miss the days of Matt painting. I mean, I know,

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we got CGI now and we've got those TVs now

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that they put behind actors like not on a different plant,

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but it's not the same thing. In my opinion, I

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love just looking at those Matt paintings in this episode,

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just exploring that it was so cool it really was.

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Yeah, I totally agree.

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I also liked the yeah it's a true art form

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it is.

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Yeah. I think overall the set design has a lot

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of right vibrancy to it that just kind of takes

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me back to like, you know, Wonderful World at Disney

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kind of shows, you know, I mean, like, yes, it's stated, yes,

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you can see the seams, but it just has that

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kind of aesthetic that I agree. It's you know, yes,

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we've advanced, but it's something that I'm glad we still

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have access to things like that, and I'm glad there

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are things that haven't been replaced because I've noticed in

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these couple of episodes, the interludes where you see kind

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of shots of the Enterprise, it looked pretty modern. Is

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that fair, Like, are those updated?

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Yes, they are updated. Yeah, those were done back in

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two thousand and eight.

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Yeah. Yeah, So Scott, you mentioned it. If there's any

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other scenes that I absolutely love in this episode, and

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there really is, there's one. It's it probably shouldn't be

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as comical, Is it really? That? It to me that

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it was is when Scott asked if Kirk had got

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the Phaser rifle, and Kirk because he didn't order one,

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all of a sudden you see Spot come walking in

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with it. I don't know what that was. I just

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started have bad thing.

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Look at a lot he's loaded and ready to go.

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Wayne.

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What about you? Any other stand up moments, wien gosh scenes?

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I mean, the whole like I said, the whole episode

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is hit and miss with me. There's a lot of

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hits in a lot of misses, but in terms of standout,

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I just I just think it was a smart move

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at the end, you know, with the battle. I like

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the fight. I like the ending with the uh can't

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think of her names now, doctor Dinner, thank you very much. Uh,

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you know, her giving her life for Kirk and then

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him taken the opportunity to uh uh strike at Gary

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Mitchell because I mean that Mitchell was his best friend

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and not only just his first officer, but his best friend.

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So a lot of stakes there for Kirk. Really sets

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the tone for the series, and I you know, by

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the end of this this episode, I can feel the

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first steps that Star Treks take taking to you know,

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become the legend that it is really Yep.

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Yeah, I have been kind of wondering though I'm sure

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that they probably buried the dead, and you know, it's

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assumed that Mitchell and Dinner are both pass on, but

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considering he was doing all that reality warping, there was

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part of me that wondered, could there be a possibility

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that he was basically making the whole thing up, like

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if he was using reality altering powers to say like,

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all right, well, we kind of have this planet all

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to our own that we could use to whatever. That

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we could reshape an entire planet if we wanted to.

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We don't necessarily need the starship that maybe they had

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kind of faked their death in order to be able

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to just exist on their own. But then I guess

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to what end, like they wouldn't. I don't know. It

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seems like a kind of solitary existence to try something

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like that. But anyway, so of the crew members that

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we have, and like we said before, there's not much

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of a core crew here, Dave, which one do you

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think shine the most?

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Well, I'm going to go right off the bat and

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say it's Captain James are Kirk. We we get to

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see him full in command right from the start, and

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he's already showing why he's the captain. You know, his

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placefulness comes through and his dynamic with Spock already he's

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you know, talking about that where he surprises him at

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the chest, you know, early on, and then the whole

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ending piece where he says, I believe there's some hope

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for you after all. You know, I kind of mentioned

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this stuff a little bit earlier, but you're already seeing

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that relationship between the two of them. But you know,

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beneath that confidence is that brutal leadership that cast Kirk

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hats right, you know, struggling with the possibility of killing

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the friend, you know, like Wayne just mentioned there, knowing

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that and knowing it that if he hesitates, the ship

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could be doomed. He's got a lot of pressure on him,

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you know. At this point. Luckily he listens to his

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science officer and you know, and trying to get a

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lot of this stuff figured out, or he did, but

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we get the the the fight that we see Star

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Trek that became known as uh So, I have to

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go with Kirk on this one. I'll probably go back

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to Kirk on a few episodes that we go through

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this surprise surprise, I know, but I want to go ahead,

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get this one out of the way.

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Yep, that's a good call, Wayne, What about you?

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Oh, it's Captain Kirk for sure. You know, the whole

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episode was written really to be a showcase for the

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new captain, for William Shatner too. You know, this is

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this is one of the earliest episodes that really defines

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too Kirk is you know, he's he's forced to, you know,

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weigh his friendship the duty is survival. As I mentioned,

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his close friend, you know, Gary Mitchell, is becoming dangerously powerful.

470
00:24:42.759 --> 00:24:45.519
It's really an emotional dut punch for Kirk. You know,

471
00:24:45.559 --> 00:24:48.240
he's having to choose the safety of the Enterprise and

472
00:24:48.279 --> 00:24:52.359
his crew over his best friend and first officer. You

473
00:24:52.400 --> 00:24:55.079
know that that really shows the contrast between Kirk and

474
00:24:55.200 --> 00:24:56.480
Captain Pike that we saw.

475
00:24:56.359 --> 00:24:57.279
In the cage.

476
00:24:57.920 --> 00:24:59.799
And I mean Pike and Jeffrey Hunter would have been

477
00:24:59.799 --> 00:25:03.880
a great leader, but this episode really shows that Kirk's

478
00:25:03.920 --> 00:25:07.680
more of a man of action and a fallible one really,

479
00:25:07.759 --> 00:25:09.920
you know. And it's like I mentioned before, it's just

480
00:25:09.960 --> 00:25:13.599
a tone to what we're going to see later in

481
00:25:13.599 --> 00:25:16.480
the series. And obviously it's exactly what the network wanted.

482
00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:21.519
I think we're going to go three for three. Yeah.

483
00:25:21.720 --> 00:25:26.079
I was gonna say Lieutenant Kelso No, Yeah, I mean,

484
00:25:26.240 --> 00:25:29.799
it's it's Captain Kirk. I mean, I just think, you

485
00:25:29.839 --> 00:25:33.000
know what I had said before about his his personality,

486
00:25:33.319 --> 00:25:35.279
and what I think is that's going to draw out

487
00:25:35.559 --> 00:25:38.079
you know, we see the dynamics with Spock, but it's

488
00:25:38.119 --> 00:25:40.920
you know, you can tell in this one he's going

489
00:25:41.000 --> 00:25:44.359
to bring that out of other crew members, depending on

490
00:25:44.359 --> 00:25:47.599
how the dynamic is. Obviously hope of the none of

491
00:25:47.599 --> 00:25:49.759
the rest of them turned into you know, Q like

492
00:25:49.839 --> 00:25:51.960
gods that he has to kill at the end of

493
00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:56.319
the episode. But he very much seems like a leader

494
00:25:56.359 --> 00:26:02.920
who's going to pull out some some good relationships, some humor,

495
00:26:03.920 --> 00:26:06.400
but also you know, able to handle himself when the

496
00:26:06.400 --> 00:26:11.400
stakes are high. So yeah, definitely kurk Ye well waite.

497
00:26:11.400 --> 00:26:13.200
If there is one crew member that you'd want to be,

498
00:26:14.480 --> 00:26:19.039
assuming it's somebody who's safe and sound like the last time,

499
00:26:19.400 --> 00:26:23.359
But if you were one character in this episode, who

500
00:26:23.359 --> 00:26:23.799
would it be?

501
00:26:24.640 --> 00:26:27.960
Oh gosh, so much happens to all these characters. It's

502
00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:30.880
really hard to pick up because, like I said before,

503
00:26:30.880 --> 00:26:32.799
the death count is so high. But I'm going to

504
00:26:32.839 --> 00:26:35.920
pick a chief engineer Scott, you know, I think he

505
00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:39.640
comes across pretty well in this episode. He's still young,

506
00:26:40.200 --> 00:26:44.119
he's confident, he's practical in his suggestions in that that

507
00:26:44.319 --> 00:26:48.079
officers conference they have. You know, he's not quite the

508
00:26:48.119 --> 00:26:50.319
man that we will come to know and love, you know, later,

509
00:26:50.359 --> 00:26:53.759
but he's a working officer, you know, he's his personal

510
00:26:53.880 --> 00:26:55.680
is a little colder than what we're familiar with but

511
00:26:56.039 --> 00:26:58.640
you know, he's determined to solve that problem keep the

512
00:26:58.680 --> 00:27:02.079
ship safe. So yeah, he's got the bravery and the

513
00:27:02.079 --> 00:27:04.720
balls to save the ship. So I'll choose him. He

514
00:27:05.000 --> 00:27:07.359
at least he came across without any scars at the end.

515
00:27:07.839 --> 00:27:10.440
Yeah, that's a that's a good call, Dave, What about you?

516
00:27:10.640 --> 00:27:12.799
As much as I've kicked on this character in this episode,

517
00:27:12.839 --> 00:27:14.839
I'm going to be doctor Piper just because of mere

518
00:27:14.920 --> 00:27:17.920
fact that he's always pretty much that arms way. Yeah,

519
00:27:18.240 --> 00:27:20.079
and you just shows up when he's needed and then

520
00:27:20.119 --> 00:27:23.359
he leaves again. Okay, we're good, let's go. Apparently all

521
00:27:23.400 --> 00:27:25.559
you got to do too is just just give somebody

522
00:27:25.599 --> 00:27:27.839
to put it in their mouth so it wakes them up.

523
00:27:28.200 --> 00:27:28.680
Is that right?

524
00:27:29.519 --> 00:27:33.680
Yep? Okay, sure that works, just reaching into like whatever it.

525
00:27:33.640 --> 00:27:36.960
Is, you know, whatever it is exactly what about you?

526
00:27:39.039 --> 00:27:40.640
It was a tough choice, and I was I was

527
00:27:40.640 --> 00:27:45.519
trying to avoid you know, death, and you know Mitchell's

528
00:27:45.599 --> 00:27:50.559
you know, Emperor Lightning Force, whatever that was. I guess

529
00:27:50.599 --> 00:27:55.799
I would choose mister Spock because it doesn't seem like

530
00:27:55.839 --> 00:27:59.200
he's in that much danger. I'll join the crew and say, like,

531
00:27:59.319 --> 00:28:01.480
he doesn't seem to get you know I heard that much.

532
00:28:02.359 --> 00:28:04.079
But also I'd just like to be able to, like,

533
00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:07.319
you know, change whatever that kind of like yellow sweater

534
00:28:07.359 --> 00:28:10.680
outfit he was wearing and get into what we're used

535
00:28:10.680 --> 00:28:13.000
to because I just it was bugging me so much.

536
00:28:13.079 --> 00:28:16.000
I was to get your blagodo form, for God's sakes.

537
00:28:16.240 --> 00:28:21.240
So those uniforms, oh yeah, and yeah with the depth

538
00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:23.160
of Mitchell, he gets a promotion at the end, so

539
00:28:23.200 --> 00:28:24.440
you know, hey, you're doing pretty good.

540
00:28:24.720 --> 00:28:26.759
Exactly all part of the plan.

541
00:28:27.759 --> 00:28:29.599
That's why he wanted to knock you off so quick.

542
00:28:29.640 --> 00:28:31.599
You quack? Did Judge kill him? Kill him?

543
00:28:32.799 --> 00:28:35.400
By the way, what kind of easter eggs do we

544
00:28:35.440 --> 00:28:38.279
find in this episode? Even though it's pretty early. I

545
00:28:38.279 --> 00:28:41.200
guess it's kind of easter seeds? Is that the better way?

546
00:28:41.200 --> 00:28:44.240
Is it? Anyway? I guess I don't know they have

547
00:28:44.279 --> 00:28:45.039
anything of interest.

548
00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:46.880
I just find it fit. This is the first time

549
00:28:46.920 --> 00:28:49.599
in US TV history that a second pilot for an

550
00:28:49.599 --> 00:28:53.559
hour long series had to be submitted to convince the

551
00:28:53.599 --> 00:28:57.920
network to go forward. We were talked about the colors

552
00:28:57.920 --> 00:29:01.359
of the uniforms and stuff like that, so you know,

553
00:29:01.799 --> 00:29:04.960
we already talked about Sulu. I believe Gary Lockwood went

554
00:29:05.000 --> 00:29:07.039
off to two thousand and one of Space Odesty, didn't

555
00:29:07.039 --> 00:29:10.440
he after after this was done, that's where he went. Yeah,

556
00:29:10.640 --> 00:29:12.440
so he went on that, And I think we kind

557
00:29:12.480 --> 00:29:15.720
of touched briefly on this earlier where this is actually

558
00:29:16.079 --> 00:29:20.440
aired as episode three after the Man Trap and Charlie X,

559
00:29:21.839 --> 00:29:24.640
because you know, in that is, if you're watching it

560
00:29:24.680 --> 00:29:27.920
in that kind of order, everyone's uniforms are different. And

561
00:29:27.960 --> 00:29:31.519
then you go back and you get this going on.

562
00:29:32.039 --> 00:29:36.000
Yes, thank you, yes there as the new guy. Very

563
00:29:36.400 --> 00:29:37.880
very it is.

564
00:29:38.119 --> 00:29:39.319
It's ridiculous.

565
00:29:39.799 --> 00:29:42.519
I agree with Roddenberry though, I think The Man Trap

566
00:29:42.559 --> 00:29:43.839
is a fantastic episode.

567
00:29:44.160 --> 00:29:44.359
It is.

568
00:29:44.400 --> 00:29:46.559
And see why he said, let's hear this one first.

569
00:29:47.799 --> 00:29:50.839
And you talk about Easter eggs, So we already have

570
00:29:50.920 --> 00:29:55.559
an Easter egg in this episode because uh, the backdrop,

571
00:29:55.599 --> 00:29:58.279
the mountains backdrop is a painting from the cage, so

572
00:29:58.359 --> 00:30:00.519
they're already using Easter egg.

573
00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:01.640
Hey see, there you go.

574
00:30:02.119 --> 00:30:05.559
It's the very first.

575
00:30:07.279 --> 00:30:09.720
That's good, well, the only one that I had found.

576
00:30:10.519 --> 00:30:16.480
I was captivated by the the silver eye effect that

577
00:30:16.519 --> 00:30:20.240
they gave to Gary Lockwood and Seally Kellman, although I

578
00:30:20.319 --> 00:30:22.119
felt for them because it seemed like that would be

579
00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:25.799
very uncomfortable after hearing about how Brent Spiner went through

580
00:30:25.799 --> 00:30:29.200
some discomfort with the contact lenses for data and things

581
00:30:29.240 --> 00:30:31.200
like that, I was like, this is gotta be painful.

582
00:30:32.039 --> 00:30:36.759
Apparently it was tinfoil sandwich between two sets of contact lenses,

583
00:30:36.759 --> 00:30:40.480
which I cannot I can't even I know. I don't

584
00:30:40.480 --> 00:30:42.160
really want to talk about it very much more because

585
00:30:42.160 --> 00:30:47.279
it just sounds makes me cringe absolutely, But I give credit.

586
00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:53.079
Gotta give credit to Ellie optician John Roberts, who was

587
00:30:53.160 --> 00:30:58.200
hired to create that effect, because apparently he so he

588
00:30:58.279 --> 00:31:02.200
created those and then the associate producer who hired them

589
00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:06.400
felt obligated to try them on before asking in the

590
00:31:06.480 --> 00:31:10.119
actors to put them in, which kind of reminds me

591
00:31:10.200 --> 00:31:12.279
of the last episode when they were trying on the

592
00:31:12.319 --> 00:31:19.000
green paintments that being painful. I just well, so credit

593
00:31:19.039 --> 00:31:21.839
to them for even wearing the damn things, let alone,

594
00:31:21.880 --> 00:31:23.480
you know, the poor months they had to give with them.

595
00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:25.920
In No way, are you putting that in my eye?

596
00:31:26.519 --> 00:31:30.759
No way, No, No, it's I think like when you

597
00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:37.079
when you bite a luminium ooil. I just imagine that, guy, Wayne,

598
00:31:37.119 --> 00:31:38.640
what else did you find behind the scenes?

599
00:31:39.279 --> 00:31:43.680
Now there's a few okay with this pilot Two other

600
00:31:43.880 --> 00:31:48.000
episode scripts were also considered along side of this, but

601
00:31:48.200 --> 00:31:50.200
both of these would be used later on in the series.

602
00:31:50.240 --> 00:31:52.400
And the first was was one that was created actually

603
00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:55.599
for the cage, and that was MUD's Women, And this

604
00:31:55.720 --> 00:31:59.799
was rejected as a pilot because Roddenberry knew that trying

605
00:31:59.839 --> 00:32:03.559
to sell an episode about an intergalactic pemp selling women

606
00:32:03.640 --> 00:32:06.119
just wouldn't fly with to the studio. Good call there.

607
00:32:06.720 --> 00:32:10.640
But the other one was the Omega Glory, which, let's

608
00:32:10.680 --> 00:32:12.559
be honest, that's just not that great of an episode

609
00:32:12.599 --> 00:32:14.319
to begin with, so I could see why they skipped

610
00:32:14.319 --> 00:32:14.680
that one.

611
00:32:15.559 --> 00:32:16.039
Yeah.

612
00:32:16.160 --> 00:32:20.240
Now, the director of photography for this episode is Ernest Holler,

613
00:32:20.519 --> 00:32:23.519
because he was a very very well known and respected

614
00:32:23.799 --> 00:32:27.400
DP in Hollywood. He worked on films like Rebel Without

615
00:32:27.400 --> 00:32:31.000
a Cause, Lili's in the Field, multice Falcon, and he

616
00:32:31.039 --> 00:32:33.880
wanted an Academy Award for Gone with the Wind, so

617
00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:36.240
you know they got this. Yeah, this is a big name.

618
00:32:36.319 --> 00:32:38.119
And there was one other big name too that worked

619
00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:40.720
on here that won an Academy Award, and that's David

620
00:32:40.759 --> 00:32:46.119
You had mentioned the Matt paintings. That's Albert Whitlock. Fantastic paintings.

621
00:32:46.559 --> 00:32:49.400
Ten years later, after this, he would win the Oscar

622
00:32:49.519 --> 00:32:51.359
for the paintings that he did for the movie The

623
00:32:51.519 --> 00:32:55.559
Disaster movie Earthquake, and then again the year later for

624
00:32:55.640 --> 00:32:58.480
the Hindenburg. And he worked on so many great films

625
00:32:58.519 --> 00:33:02.440
like Willie Wonkin, The Chalk Factory, The Whiz Dune, and

626
00:33:02.759 --> 00:33:04.799
even John Carpenter's.

627
00:33:04.240 --> 00:33:05.599
The Thing Nice.

628
00:33:06.200 --> 00:33:09.000
Yeah, Now I also read that this made me laugh.

629
00:33:09.079 --> 00:33:11.559
During the filming, a swarm of bees attack the set

630
00:33:11.640 --> 00:33:15.519
and both William Shatner and Sally Killman were stung pretty badly.

631
00:33:15.680 --> 00:33:21.400
So now Kirk says he's worried about Mitchell ever since

632
00:33:21.440 --> 00:33:27.599
that night. On Debit DNEV four. Michel, Yeah, well, that

633
00:33:27.920 --> 00:33:30.640
can't be a coincidence that the pilot episode of Star

634
00:33:30.680 --> 00:33:34.319
Trek the Next Generation, Encounter at Farpoint, takes place mostly

635
00:33:34.359 --> 00:33:36.920
on the planet Denim four, which was the home of

636
00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:41.519
the Bandy and where Farpoint Station was situated. Now this

637
00:33:41.920 --> 00:33:46.400
there is a longer original cut of this episode contains

638
00:33:46.519 --> 00:33:50.519
a longer opening narration, a few deleted scenes, and an

639
00:33:50.559 --> 00:33:54.200
unused epilogue which equals about five minutes of footage that

640
00:33:54.279 --> 00:33:58.359
was cut. Plus, this episode was also broken down in

641
00:33:58.400 --> 00:34:01.480
like chapters on Green would say, Act one, Act two,

642
00:34:01.519 --> 00:34:04.480
Act three so on. This original print was thought to

643
00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:06.880
be lost for many, many years until they found a

644
00:34:07.200 --> 00:34:09.960
copy back in two thousand and nine in England, just

645
00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:11.679
in time for the Blu Ray release. So if you

646
00:34:11.719 --> 00:34:14.320
went to see this this work longer work print with

647
00:34:14.360 --> 00:34:16.559
the extra footage, and I'll tell you it's nothing to

648
00:34:16.559 --> 00:34:19.360
get excited about the extra where they cut that, But

649
00:34:19.400 --> 00:34:21.280
it's on the first season of the Blu Ray if

650
00:34:21.280 --> 00:34:23.360
you want to go out and find it. But now

651
00:34:23.840 --> 00:34:26.559
let's I want something we talked about before. But let's

652
00:34:26.559 --> 00:34:28.679
address that elephant in the room, and that's the fact

653
00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:31.599
that the tombstone for Kirk states that it says James R.

654
00:34:31.719 --> 00:34:32.000
Kirk.

655
00:34:32.679 --> 00:34:36.079
There really isn't any explanation for this other than his

656
00:34:36.119 --> 00:34:39.480
middle name hadn't been established. But if you want an explanation,

657
00:34:40.519 --> 00:34:42.360
I suggest you go out and find that. The Star

658
00:34:42.400 --> 00:34:45.400
Trek then next Generation novel Q Squared by Peter David.

659
00:34:46.079 --> 00:34:48.440
This suggests the events of this episode take place in

660
00:34:48.480 --> 00:34:52.079
a parallel universe where Kirk's middle initial is indeed are,

661
00:34:52.519 --> 00:34:55.400
and that Gary Mitchell's godlike powers will result of him

662
00:34:55.400 --> 00:35:00.679
being temporarily possessed by Q, which the powers simply drove

663
00:35:00.760 --> 00:35:05.440
Mitchell insane Mitchell Mitchell interesting, I know, I cannot get

664
00:35:05.440 --> 00:35:07.840
that out of my head. It's I'm sorry, Mystery Science

665
00:35:07.880 --> 00:35:10.159
Theater has just embedded ourselves into us.

666
00:35:10.360 --> 00:35:12.159
Yep, that's right.

667
00:35:13.199 --> 00:35:17.000
Well, thank you both. As always, this is always fun

668
00:35:17.000 --> 00:35:20.440
to do and it's it's interesting to go way back

669
00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:23.039
to the original series. I'm looking forward to what we're

670
00:35:23.039 --> 00:35:26.159
talking about next because I think we're going to start

671
00:35:26.199 --> 00:35:28.599
to get into kind of finding our footing a little

672
00:35:28.639 --> 00:35:34.519
bit more with the core crew. Is that fair? So, Wayne,

673
00:35:34.679 --> 00:35:35.800
what are we covering next?

674
00:35:36.920 --> 00:35:39.960
Next time? We are jumping into the regular run of

675
00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:44.039
the series and we will be tackling three episodes the

676
00:35:44.159 --> 00:35:47.320
first three of the regular run of the first season,

677
00:35:47.840 --> 00:35:51.239
and that is The Man Trap, Charlie X and The

678
00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:51.960
Naked Time.

679
00:35:52.519 --> 00:35:55.519
Well, thank you listeners for joining us for you another episode.

680
00:35:56.320 --> 00:35:59.000
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681
00:35:59.039 --> 00:36:02.480
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682
00:36:02.519 --> 00:36:05.119
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685
00:36:11.400 --> 00:36:14.519
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686
00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:16.960
time for another episode of Phasers said to Stunt.

687
00:36:17.239 --> 00:36:28.039
Thanks every manding Mitchell, Mitchell, Jess gonna love that he's

688
00:36:28.079 --> 00:36:30.719
got of Like, what the hell he's like?

689
00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:32.239
It kept slipping. I kept.

690
00:36:33.719 --> 00:36:36.840
Every time they spied his name, it was always in

691
00:36:36.880 --> 00:36:37.840
my Mitchell.

692
00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:41.079
Beare every time. Damnit. It was awesome.