David Wain - Wet Hot American Summer

0:00 When we're talking about summer movies, because there's there's genres, there's there's that genre that I don't think anyone talks about the summer camp genre. I think I feel like there's enough movies that you could have a subgenre for for summer camp movies. I agree. If I if I asked you, off the top of your head, what do you have a go to summer camp movie? Oh? Absolutely, I love meatballs. Okay, you don't even have to think about that. Ye, straight for I've actually watched it three times this summer already. A wow, Yes, love meatballs. I love I love I love meatballs too. I know, I know Scott and Dave did that. I think that was the first season we did a film of forty five.

0:44 Maybe sounds right, It's it's great, I love meatballs. That might I think when you say summer camp movie, that probably is like the the godfather of them, you know, like, that's agree, it's the go to you have to go. You have to start with meatballs. I think, Yeah, I. Let's say there's gonna be a horror movie, you know, I it's hard not to say Friday the thirteenth, It really it really mean is you also got Sleepway Camp. I mean, there's just so it seems like a lot of them end up being horror films instead of other instead of comedies. So well, i'll tell you because everyone expect me, I'm expected to say Friday the thirteenth. Can I say Indian Summer?

1:25 Oh yeah, that's a good pick. That's a good one. I mean we yeah, I mean we've covered Indian Summer, We've covered we've covered meatballs, but we haven't covered Friday thirteenth, and I hope we do someday. But yeah, well you tell you what. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, very old. Well I was with you on that, Yes, yes, you and Dave. Yeah, Friday thirteenth and versus Nightmare on Elm Street, wasn't it. That's right? That was that was I think the first season. Yeah, that was a I knew what I knew which one I was picking, you know, So it's still a not easy. Choice, but no, it's not. Yeah, good stuff. Well, i'll tell you what. On the topic of summer camp movies, let's talk about a film by David Wayne, his two thousand and one satirical camp comedy Wet Hot American Summer. Hello, Everybody, I'm Jeff Johnson and this is a Film By podcast. We are in the middle of our what I'm gonna call our summer guest House series. Because team was like, hey, it's July, it's time to go on vacation, and I said, all right, we'll all leave the doors open. Maybe some of our

2:55 friends that have some pretty popular shows, maybe I can have them stop by and we can we can still have some some new new content for our listeners. So, without further ado, our good friend Dayton Johnson of the Docking Bay seventy seven podcast. Dayton, it has been too long, my friend, and it's great to see you. It's been a while. Yes, I'm happy to be back in the Film By studio. It's been it's been a minute. As they say, yeah, we've we've missed you. Well, I mean, you know, you a lot of people if you you know a lot of first time listeners, are a lot of newer listeners. They don't they don't realize you know, you you got your start here. Yeah, yeah, got my teeth on your eighty six series.

3:37 Yeah, like our second season way back then. You you were, you were with us, and you know you're just you know, no way we're going to keep you. Uh containing You're like, I got my own show ideas, I'm moving on. But the the Docking Base seventy seven podcast, you guys been going strong for a couple of years now. Yeah. Yeah, it's uh yeah, it's every time I'm like, ah, you know what Dayton would this movie or you know what? Did you get to talk about this movie with Dayton? And then I'm like, he's you know, he's got they're way too busy. He's got that wildly popular YouTube channel that's whatever. So hey, yeah, every time I every time I'm on YouTube, there's the here's a new one from Docu Bay seventy seven. I don't know how you do it, man, I really don't one thing you you've been doing. I've seen on your YouTube channel where you're doing like this versus thing where you're showing like a song that I know and I love, but it turns out it's a cover and I had no idea that someone else sung it, you know, a long time ago, and I'm like what, Yeah, so I have I've been enjoying the uh the episode you guys do there.

4:41 Yeah, that was a surprise. The The Adobe Gray episode for drift Away literally the week before we recorded. It's when I figured out found out for the first time that the Doobie Ray was not the first person to do it. Just like, what, Yeah, it's wild, It is absolutely wild. Yeah, it's fun, it's it's a lot of fun. Well, Dayton I and invited you over to talk about Wet Hot American Summer, and it like, you know, you haven't been you haven't been around this season. So we're doing the the blockbusters, the well known movies of two thousand and one and two thousand and six, and we don't need any long drawn out descriptions or synopsis of it, because you know, everyone knows what these movies are about.

5:27 Today's might be a bit of a stretch because it's it's it's definitely a cult classic. It was not a blockbuster by any sense of the imagination. But if I asked you to tell us what wet Hot American Summer is in exactly five words, what would you what would you say? This was actually very difficult. I as I've been listening to this season every time you guys did this, I'm like, you know, whatever the movie was, I'm like, what will my five words be? And I struggled with it, and so when I when you pick me for this episode, was like, oh crap, I do that five word synopsis thing. So it's like okay, So I I changed mind like at least four or five different times, and I settled on something really simple. I tried not to get anything from the title into the synopsis. So I went with ridiculous Last Day at Camp.

6:19 Okay, well that is absolutely fittings. It is absolutely it is the last day Camp and it is absolutely ridiculous. It was, it was. It was tough for me. I went with future Stars go to Camp. Yeah, because I know we're going to talk a little bit about it, but this is you know, when we get to it, this is what you definitely have to call an all star cast. Yes. The only thing was in two thousand and one they were not an all star casts. No I think. I mean, I mean we didn't know who most of them were. Yeah. Yeah, uh so I just want to jump into it because this was the first time watch for you. Yes it was, and I specifically I'm watching this movie and when we decided that we're going to we're gonna cover this, you're the It's not that you were the first person I thought of for this to talk about wet, hot American summer. You're the only person, and I'll tell you why. Okay, So the opening credit sequence, it features a group of horny teenagers and I used teenagers in quotations. Yes, So they are partying. They're all partying, They're out of bonfire, girls are dancing, Guys are playing acoustic guitars. People are drinking, they're smoking, They're taking pictures with polaroid cameras, which I love.

7:48 And the whole time Jefferson Starships, Jane is blasting. Yes, it's August eighteenth, nineteen eighty one, and it's the last day at Campfirewood. This early in the film, because this is the opening credit sequence, did you know are you all in at this point? Are you hooked? Does it have your attention or were you like, I'm gonna need to see more. I love the song choice I do great song. It is a kind of a bittersweet thing for me because I love that song. But my brain knows that this kind of the end of Jefferson Starship because of you know where they go in a few years, and we're not going to talk about that song. But anyway, I was digging it, and I was like, okay, I had watched the trailer, so I knew it was gonna be silly, and yeah I was. I was in because of absolute curiosity.

8:38 Okay, listeners, I'm gonna point out. I send it in a message. I'm like, hey, wet hot American summer, are you in and dating? Your response was like, I've never seen it, so you know, yeah, count me in. I'll check it out. And I thought, okay, this is gonna go one of two ways. So I remember prefacing, I said, hey, you need to understand before you watch a single frame of this, this is maybe one of the dumbest movies you'll ever watch. So just know that going in this it's incredibly dumb. But man is it a fun time So you know, and you're like, okay, I'll see what happens. And I say that because this film is dead on arrival at the box office. Yeah, and critics hated it, but it's celebrating its twenty fifth anniversary this summer, and it is a bona fide cult classic, so much so, so much so it gets both a sequel and prequel series on Netflix. So does I'll ask you this without jumping right to the end and asking you what your thought about the movie. Are you surprised by its popularity?

9:50 A little bit, yes, But I think what it comes down to is, as we mentioned the cast, at the time, there was only a couple of people that were established as either comedians or actors or whatever that were recognizable. And since then, over the ten years or you know what, twenty five years now, that so many of those people are huge names now. And I think it's one of those things that people go, oh, they were in that movie, and they go check it out. And yes, I'm all for cult classics, and some I understand, some I don't. This one I understand because of who's in it and where these where the cast is going to go, youve more the filmmakers eventually get to as well, so it makes sense. But and it's one of those that when I mentioned it to people, I know, uh, it's it is that reaction that either man, that was terrible, or it's so good, or it's so bad it's good, you know what I mean.

10:43 It's as someone says, oh, what do you You're like, I'm watching a movie. We what are you watching them? Wet Hot American Summer. I think you're gonna get someone gough really, or you're gonna get someone go right, you know, yep, I think that's the it's there's there is no middle ground for this movie. I'll tell you. Let's take it. Let's take a quick break when we get back. I don't know where we start with this cast. I don't know if we can talk about everyone in the cast, but well, we got we gotta mention this this group because this is it's an amazing group to have together. We'll be right back. Welcome back. Dayton Johnson from the Docking Bay seventy seven podcast is with us here today.

11:24 We are talking about the twenty fifth anniversary of Wet Hot American Summer. Dayton, it's an all star cast, I think at this point, if I'm being fair, because like we said in two thousand and one, we don't know who most, if not any of these people are, with exception to maybe two names. Jennye Grofelo. She plays Beth. She's the camp director. I just like her and everything. I don't think I've seen a bad performance by Janine Garoffelow. Now. Actually, one of my favorites is the Truth about Cats and Dogs. I think, really, yeah, I really enjoyed her in that one because I was familiar with her stand up before I really saw her as an actress. And so yeah, you know, she's a big one in this one, and she's one of the only few that were any kind of established, I mean. And so what I'm gonna do, and I'm gonna point out and you're gonna roll your eyes at me because I'm gonna connect this movie to Disney and and.

12:25 Of course you are, because. I am shocked. Oh no, you're not. So here we go. So we have, of course Gene Garofloya, who does a voice in the Pixar film Ratatui and does a great French accent. By the way, David Hype Pierce, who was the other name you know, obviously people know it from a Frayer, you know, big name. He was even into Disney films. He was in Treasure Planet and he was also in Pixars of Bugs Life. So so we got two there. Now. Kim Marino actually appeared, you know, hundreds of times daily at Disney's Hollywood studios at the Rock and Roller Coaster starring Aerosmith. He was the engineer inside the screen that right there with Aerosmith and everybody else.

13:12 So he actually appeared on the screen for as long, for as long as because there's a pre show and you could see the guys in the band or whatever. It's a whole setup, and he was there. He was the sound engineer, and he doesn't have an he doesn't say anything, but he's there on screen. He was there for the entire run of that ride. So another Disney connection as well as he actually does a voice in the Toy story short U a Toy Story of Terror, so he had those voices there as well. Now, going back prior to this, you have Marguerite Moreau who was in the Mighty Ducks movies. She was actually one of them. I have no recollection of her. Mighty Ducks, Yep, she was in that as well. She's like, she is the smoke show in this movie.

13:54 Like jeez, they even her and Beth at that moment you're you're considered hot, right you would be right? Yeah, I guess you could say. So you know she's going like fashion like beauty advice from uh from Moro's character Katie, Uh wow, finding Ducks, Okay, I don't. I have no recollection of her Mighty Ducks. Well she didn't look like she does. That's fair, that's fair. And then uh so you have Amy Poehler, who had just gotten a gig on SNL when this movie was made. She goes on to do the Voice of Joy and inside Out another Pixar film. So, and of course you have the MCU as well with Paul Rudd and so a lot of connections, a lot of connections, and it was a big screen debut for Bradley Cooper.

14:42 Well, okay, you know, I will I will leave it to only you could take a raunchy R rated comedy, a sex comedy and that happens at Summer Camp and then and then go all Disney with it. So congratulations on that. I'll tell you what they're they're clearly they're having a good time on the set. Yeah. Yeah, Well on location at the at Camp Towanda where it was filmed. Uh, Janine was quoted as saying it was the best time I ever had doing a project. And also the drunkest. I fell down a lot due to the wet terrain and the heavy drinking. And apparently Dayton she she just stopped drinking completely when they when they stopped shooting this movie.

15:28 So yeah, I saw that too. That's a lot of drinking, a. Lot of drinking, but yes, it is. I couldn't I couldn't imagine you get a cast like this together. I mean, it doesn't matter that they're big stars or not, because they weren't at this point. But this many people, this this kind of this kind of group together in closed quarters for for several weeks, like that has to be the best time ever. There's actually a giant party. It was a giant party for thirty some days. There's a I'm gonna I'm gonna get it wrong, but uh, I want to say the title. It's called Hurricane of Fun. There's a documentary on the making of Wet Hot American Summer on Netflix, like like I said, like I mentioned Netflix, Netflix loves this film, you know they did. They did not one, but two eight episode series on it. Uh, and then they did a documentary with all this behind the scenes stuff, which I haven't seen but I definitely want to check out because I can only imagine. But yeah, uh, you're you're tearing through the you kind of tore through the cast there for a minute. You mentioned David Hyde Peers.

16:30 He is clearly he's the other he's the only other star. I guess it's fair to say. You know, he's playing Henry, the astrophysicist next door, who definitely has some issues. Yeah I've said no, I know, which was just like that caught me off card, like, wait, what happened? What did I miss? I actually rewounded to go say did I miss? So? Yeah, well, he's clearly he's like he's on sabbatical. He's had he's had some kind of breakdown and you. Know, yeah, he's working through stuff for sure. I gotta be honest, I'm surprised to see him in this movie. I mean probably he's hilarious. Yes, it's a fun character, and I love how innocent the romance is that blooms between him and Jenny Garoffalo. But it's just a it's such a kooky character.

17:21 He's he's definitely the which one of these things is not like the other when you look at the cast, you know, and which is a testament to him because he you know, when you're on Frasier, he had that character he's playing, you know, that really uptight whatever, and he's not quite as uptight in this, but he does he's still he's still a nerd. He's still you know, well read supposedly and things you know, like science, and so seeing him on here and the interactions he has with the Nian Garofflo's character, it was interesting, you know. And uh, actually the we'll get to it later. He's actually in one of my scenes. So okay, interesting. Yeah, I'm curious to see what, Seni you're gonna pick. I I know, I know mine's gonna surprise you because it's is it fair to say, would you you know? Not that not to break the talk about the cast, but this is kind of like a collection of skits this movie. And I think that happens with most satire films, right, like you know, you look at like Police Academy or you know, yeah, you know, Naked Gun or airplane. Like it's kind of like a collection of goofy bits that they string together to make a coherent story.

18:36 Well, with this one, the our writer directors came from sketch comedy. I mean, that's you know. And then so that's and I think in watching that, yes, and that's how it felt to me as I'm watching the whole film, is I'm like, Okay, these guys are trying to combine an animal house and meatballs, and these guys are thirty minute you know TV show skit writers, you know, with the state and stuff like that, and and yes, it feels like they just put, hey, this is a great idea, let's do this. Hey, this is a great idea. Let's do this. And yeah, ultimately, really there's the only story is that it's the last day of camp. It's the last day camp. That is the story that that's the story. That's the pitch, last day Camp.

19:19 So and what and we're gonna do a bunch of funny goofy stuff and love it's gonna be dumb. Well, there was I know one of the segments was based on something actually happened to believe it was Wayne the It was a Victor Chimerino's character was driving. Yeah, that whole. Thing with him driving back to go make out with Abby, that actually is supposedly happened to uh David, Wayne and uh so he crashed the van, just like they happened to the movie supposedly. I'm still not sure how Victor crashed the van. I'm not sure. We've just got distracted and just forget where he was going. Yeah, but I mean, nothing runs out in the middle of the road. He's not. He doesn't hits He just inexplicably hits a tree head on. I'm totally driving back for Abby like well but yeah, she's yeah, I get it.

20:11 All you need is a pack of juicy fruit dating and you're in, you know, fantastic. So you mentioned Bradley Cooper. This is his feature film debut, and let that sink in for a second, because he's Bradley Cooper. You know, he is a prestigious actor. He's done everything from you know, you mentioned he voices Rocket in the mc U, He's done Oscar Fair, He's you know, they've just announced. I'm still trying to wrap my head around this, but it looks like he's going to be starring in Paramount's reboot of g I Joe. Yep. So I'm okay with that. I'm okay with that.

20:53 Okay, So I'm just for all my now, you know Joe fans out there. I'm gonna say this real quick of the fact that Bradley Cooper is attached to it because he brings some gravitas to it, to the project. Agreed, But unless he's playing General Hawk or someone of that caliber, because let's be honest, he's fifty one years old, you know, so if you're gonna tell me he's going to play you know, Sergeant Duke, you know, or Flint, come. On, Apparently the story is supposed to focus on Duke. We'll see, we'll see. Yeah, I don't know. I know, I know they're going like a serious, like realistic like they're wanting to go with like Larry Hama's comic. Right, So we'll see. But anyways, but anyways, Bradley Cooper, were you surprised by his character? No?

21:43 And would wouldn't Would Bradley Cooper? Would Bradley Cooper take a role like this now? Do you think? Yes? Honestly, I've seen him. He's been in a lot of things. Obviously the Hangover, one of My Wife and I is Guilty, pleasure movies, comfort movies, his failure to launch where you know, with them it's fun. Yeah, absolutely, And so I don't I think at this point his career he'll just do whatever the hell he wants. Yeah, you know, And honestly, the moment he came on screen, I was like his character's gay. Well you look at him and you're like, he's you know, he's got that popped collar on, that eyesod shirt and he's he's getting the productive the Talent Show ready, he's the producer of the Talent Show. And you're like, maybe, but no, maybe to it. You know. A couple couple of minutes later, I I, this cracks me up. I don't know when he said this, but it wasn't you know, it wasn't recent, but it wasn't too long ago. Someone was asking him about his favorite on screen kiss or his favorite co star to kiss. Right now, you think about all the romantic comedies he's done, you think about all the dramas he's done. I I smile at the idea that he he says Michael Ian Black. Yep, his co star went on American Summer he ranks Michael Ian Black as as the best on screen kisser. That cracks me up, dude.

23:13 And yeah, I know. I honestly, I think it was a TV interview and it was live with Oh it's not Regis and Kathy anymore. I don't even know at this point, but I think it was one of those morning talk shows. Yeah, it's definitely it's not what you expect. You know, you figure maybe Lady Gaga maybe maybody. I mean, like I said, he was honest. He was honest, and that's the thing is I mean, yeah, the scene plays for laughs, but it's also not like, uh I buy it, Like I kind of feel like these two guys are in love, you know, and are passionate for each other. It was definitely a more genuine kiss than Paul Read and Elizabeth Banks.

23:58 Okay, So what I love about Paul Rudd in this in this movie because he's my favorite character by far, and. He's the worst. He's the worst, but he's so cool, dude. They're leading heavy, heavily into the eighties sex comedy yeah vibe, and so everything he does is so animated, including the kiss where it just it's over the top. I mean he goes full face hugger at at Margaret Moreau, at had Elizabeth Banks. But what makes it funny is he's supposed to be playing a sixteen year old seventeen year old. You know, they're teenagers, you know.

24:39 Quote unquote. It has like that. I think they're kind of poking front of grease a little bit too. Yeah, but they're all playing teenagers. They're all camp counselors and you think it back to like when you're sixteen and you're making out with your girlfriend and you didn't really know what you're doing just yet, so you kind of you kind of looked like Paul Rudd. To an ext I think, you know, yeah, yeah, I just thought it was super dark that he kept letting people drown. And then you know anyway that saw he was dropped him off on the road camp. There's a so apparently there's a there's a there's a there's a scene. So you know, because he he does due to negligence, he does kind of let a few uh camp kids. He lets one drown. I can't remember what happened to the other one.

25:28 I know he's one kid that steals a boat. One kid steals a boat. Yeah, that's the kid that drowns because he's like, he's like, hell, I'm drowning. He's like you're fine, and he's like making that with Elizabeth Banks. And then I think the other kid, Uh, wasn't he water skiing and then he wasn't paying attention. Yes, and yes he drowns. And every time, but there's always a kid like he's it doubles because every time one of these kids gets killed. Another kid goes, hey, I can't find my swim buddy, or hey, uh is it what's happening? And then we see that that scene where they're driving him, driving him off the road, the kid out of the van. Yep, I know, I guess, I guess it was a scene where he does he intentionally murders one of them to get rid of the evidence. And David Wayne's father was like, that's too much cut. Yeah, that's you can't you can't have these kids. You can't have these these characters murdering innocent kids. So but I love I love Andy. I guess I'll guess. I'll ask you know, because it's I don't know where you're gonna go with this answer. This cast yes of characters, of characters, I should say, who who?

26:32 Who speaks to you? Who do you relate to? Is there is there a character where you're like, that's me, that's the guy that I am at this camp. Honestly, it was Coop. Coop is actually Coper character well because he's well, because he's the guy that you know, he doesn't cause trouble, you know, he has a crush, you know, and he's trying to do he's trying. He's the nice guy. He's the good guy, right. Yeah, he's the nice guy that gets shipped on basically. So yes he does even at the end. Man, it's yeah, and and I you know, I was that teenager. Yeah, so you know, oh that's that's hilarious. Yeah, because I was thinking, like, you know, I figured you'd say Coop, but then I saw like the the raunchier side of Dayton.

27:19 I saw like maybe maybe JJ you know, like the dedicated buddy who's there for you. But then you know, he'll he'll he'll he'll participate in the high jinks, but he's not going to be that involved in the highjinks. Uh. Maybe. Look, I'm sorry to say, but Andy and Vic, like those two guys speak to me the most. I think. I'm not saying I want to be I'm not saying I was Andy because I wasn't. But I was. But you wish you were. Well, it's not that I well, it's not that I wish I was. I was. I was a hint of Andy, and I was like and I was a hint of Vic. And I'm not ashamed by that. You know, I'll own it, Dayton.

28:01 I'll just I'll just say, are you sure you're not a little bit ashamed? I mean they're terrible, they are, well, they're douchebags, but you know, at least I know who I am. That's all. I just I just love this. I think this might be my favorite Paul Rudd character. Honestly, I know he's done some incredible stuff, but it's the over acting. Like think, I just let me take you to a scene real quick where he is finishing his lunch and he just violently just slammed, you know, swipes the table clean in front of Jinean and Garofolo and his plate, food and all, and she's like, you're picked that up? And he goes he's like and he's acting like it's the worst thing ever.

28:44 And you know, you're a father, Dayton, so think about the time you've told your child you know you're gonna clean that up, You're gonna do this, and they act like it's just absolute torture, and you're killing them by making them do this tiny, tiny little thing. How animated he is, how how much he overdoes it. The funny thing is, I remember having friends when I was a teenager that acted just like that, Like click that up. Really, Yeah, it's your freaking masks. Clean it up. He picks up the plate and he he has to rest. Come on, you know, it's it's just it's fantastic. Yeah. Michael Showalter as Coop, I think he was. He one of the guys from the State, Yes, the Sketch comedy show. Yeah, he's He's hilarious in this movie. I mean, we could be here all night talking about this cast. Uh, Christopher Maloney, it.

29:38 Was so weird, so weird as the cook. So this is their this is where they're trying to do a Bill Murray caddyshack thing. I think ranged screwball guy. That's he's not all there. Yeah, it for me, it was it was a bit too much, especially the talking can of being of vegetables. You know, I'm just like so and that's so that was what with me. That kept There's just there's too many times where you know, they're like trying a little bit too hard to be funny and it just comes off more like, you know, really in a little bit you know, and this is where this is where I feel like it's more like, you know, it's one thing to watch a five minute skit of people acting like this.

30:25 It's another thing to watch a ninety minute film of people acting like this. It it gets a little bit like, Okay, we get the joke. Okay, we get that. Well, so it's like it's like, so this is the guy that's that's here to make the rest of them look normal. Okay, truthfully, what I think he's he's at his best when he's when he's sharing screen time with with Gary eighty miles character Okay, right, assistant. I love where he's like he's talking at him and like he can't see Gary's face and Gary's like, you know, mimicking him. Yeah. I liked him. Actually, it was the best party. He was the best part of that. I'm watching this and I'm like, where do I know this guy from? And then at dawns on me he's he's a David Wayne guy because he's in He's in Role Models, Yeah, with Paul Rudd. So he's fantastic in it.

31:14 Who am I forgetting? Is there any before we move on? Is there anyone that you want to talk about that? Well, oh, there's Molly Shannon of course. How we I'm totally forgetting. And then you're like, wait, now you there's there's been a couple of people are like, that's who I really had a problem with. I have to believe that you've got a big problem with Molly Shannon, at least at the end of this movie. Actually, the funny thing is at well spoiler no, actually I have two scenes and one of them is a scene with her because and we'll get to that in a minute. But I'm not a huge fan of hers. Anyway, She's one of those actresses that in small doses and in the right part, she's really good. And the funny thing is in this film, with all the other things going on, she was actually relatively tame bike by comparison to the other people, so she didn't bother me. I actually kind of I felt for her, you know, with ther ex the whole ex husband thing was just like it was weird.

32:12 But she's that tore up over Judah Friedlander. By the way, Well you know that's that's ross. Okay, you love who you love. But uh yes, yeah, but no we forgot uh was uh Joe uh low uh trigger Yeah yeah, Brooklyn nine to nine and he's in role models. He's uh he was actually on the state as well. Yeah, uh, I think it was Neil. I think it is who he played. Yes, that's right, he's vixed buddy, who you know is out trying to say the kids and take that he's got. Yes, that whole chasing on the motorcycle trying to run and that was just I'm like, what am I? What?

32:56 What am I watching? That's again there's I warned you, buddy. I was like, it's kind of due. You are because you weren't wrong. There's the scenes that are like, I think what it is? Is it if they just would have cut it a little bit earlier, you know. Yeah, there's a lot of scenes that just went on too long. They might have been funny in the first twenty seconds, but then it's like a minute and a half later you're kind of like, okay, it's the same joke. Yeah. Ways, Wayne's milking some of these these bits for a little little too much. But yeah, Joel Trivia Truglio, Yeah he's always funny. Yeah he was. He was a big guy on the State I remember. Yeah, Yeah, that's yeah. That's actually where I saw a lot of these guys for the first time. Was on that on that show and so and then, and you can tell because they worked with a lot of the same people over and over and over again. If you look through their filmography, they they pop up and all their stuff. And one thing about me, and with Showalter especially, he's used a lot of the same people over and over again. But he's actually developed into a very good filmmaker, you know, like I think he's actually own way more than David Wayne has. I'm just gonna.

34:03 Okay, now I can I can't. I can't say you're wrong. I really can't. I mean, I like them both, but yeah, yeah, you're onto something there. Yeah, I'll tell you what. Let's take a quick break and then we'll come back. We'll talk a little bit about the background. There's not a whole lot that you can you know, a movie like this is not gonna have a I mean well, I mean I take it back. You know, Netflix made a whole documentary about it. But when we come back, we'll we'll we'll talk, we'll talk a little bit about it. Welcome back. Okay. So Dayton, I think you mentioned when we started UH Films. It's basically it's based off David Wayne's experiences going going to camp wise in Cleveland, Ohio.

34:44 How about that? Uh, this guy he's I must say he's a local guy even though he's not. You know, well, we'll claim him because it's Ohio Dayton. Yeah, was it. I think he. I think he grows up near our buddy Andrew Blakeley and shake her heights. Yeah. Yeah. But his time at Camp Wise in Cleveland, Camp Moden in Maine, and then Camp Mohawk in Massachusetts. He did a lot of the summer camp stuff growing up. And hey, is that the same Mohawk camp for Meatballs. I'm just saying it might be. I don't know. You know, we we've mentioned some of the other summer summer camp comedies. His goal with this movie was to parody and in some cases show tribute to Meatballs sleep Away Camp, Indian Summer and I'm scratching my head here. Nashville, I don't. I don't get how Nashville.

35:40 Have you see Nashville in this at all? Uh? No, No, I don't either. But so it takes three years to raise financing for the film. David Wayne revealed that when they were promoting the film at Sundance, they were promoting it as having a five million dollar budget, which it didn't even have near that they're doing that just to up the the up the bidding. To this day, Paul Rudd, it's pretty sure he's never been paid. Not that Paul Rudd's needing, it's he's you know, he's not going hungry. But I love the fact that, you know, because you know, they this is a shoe string budget if there ever was one. And again, none of these people are really I figure the money is going to to Pierce and to g is where the money's got to be going.

36:34 I think I went to the Skylab, you know, uh, because it's not that not the same size, but it was a pretty big size prop for this budget. Not a yeah, not a bad not a bad one. So they shoot this on location at Camp Towanda. Uh. They were led to believe that he was filming a family comedy like Ernest Goes to Camp. Needless to say, they were a little upset when the when the film comes out and they see it. Yeah, yeah, I can imagine. I yeah I could. I could see why they'd be a little upset. It's nothing like Owness goes to Camp. We look, I'm not I'm not going to miss this opportunity. Uh.

37:15 This film boasts what I would call a pretty damn good soundtrack full of eighties hits greats like Jefferson, Starship Lover Boy. I think Rick Springfield's in there. Yeah, you know kiss Dayton. Can can you give us a little bit of your take on this the lineup for this soundtrack, Uh, I. Mean, it's definitely solid. It's you know, and I'm always a fan of good soundtracks anyway, especially when it's you know, IP, when it's existing music and where they use it, and they open and close the film with Jane, which is a pretty good choice. Uh. The instrumental version of Beth from Kiss It threw me off.

37:57 I kept waiting for the for Peters to start singing. I'm like, wait, that threw me off, my But yeah, it's it does fallow in the category of a film where the soundtrack is better than the movie. But yeah, yeah, well, considering who's on the soundtrack, I can't argue that. Yeah, even I mean, and when it's a good time frame, I mean those are all I mean. Beth was a little early because that was from seventy seven, but at the same time, the songs they chose definitely makes sense with the eightieth Summer of eighty one. Yeah, some are ready one. Yeah Beth. Yeah, I remember David Wayne. So he's got this thing where a lot of his female characters are named Beth. And if you remember, Beth played like a little bit of a significant role in Role Models.

38:46 Yeah, he's right. Better than that. There's a character named Beth in It turns out his sister is named Beth. So it's like, a yeah, he shows tribute to his sister by naming characters after. I love the fact that Coop gets woke up, because even when you don't hear a kick ass song, you you, there's characters that are helping you out. I love that the kids in a bunk three or whatever it is, they wake up by singing Jukebox Hero. Yes, he's like, okay, stop. I was like, that's how you that's what these kids kick ass? Man. I was gonna say, I never did. I never do kids that age, but sing that song to somebody. And a yeah, that's these kids are great, absolutely, Dayton.

39:30 I want to talk about a scene. I know, I know you got a scene. Uh So here's the thing. Before we talk about the scene that you've you've got in mine, I want to know what, why are we talking about it? Is it? Is it for a strong performance? And I I hear the irony in my voice, Uh when I say strong performance based on this movie? But are you did you? Are you picking this scene because it's got a strong performance? Is it because of the direction? Is it is a great cinematography? Is it the pivotal moment or you know a fun category that we can't get away from? Uh? Did it pissed Amber Lewis? Off? What's scene? Why are we talking about the scene that you're talking about?

40:10 So honestly, I think what it comes down to is it's actually a series of scenes, and it's because it made me like the character more. And it's David Heights Pierce's character who when we first meet him, you're like, okay, he's yelling at poor Jeannine garoffalo what's going on? But when he walks into the mess hall and starts looking around and eventually he's trying to find and he goes, where are the indoor kids? And they're like, oh, over there. You know, he's like where are the kids? That he's struggling because yes, he's a sweet guy, because he doesn't want to say where are the geeks? You know, where the nerdy kids right where the the indoor kids and they immediately yeah.

40:50 Everybody knows what they're talking about. Yeah, And and so I actually liked the scenes with the indoor kids, you know, because you have a you have a variety of kids there, you know, in that little group, and they're all doing experiments and whatever, and as ridiculous as this movie is, it's you know, it still kind of shows that we need smart people. And you know, and I always applaud when films celebrate smart people because we don't get that a lot. And they prevent the skylab from crashing down on they do not the camp. So, you know, the indoor kids save the day. Really, Yes, I like the fact. I mean clearly the leader, the head kid of the indoor kids, I think he's grown up and going to Adams College with with Lewis and Gilbert because he's got the confidence. He goes straight up to the table with all the pretty little twelve year old girls and he's like, lighties, we've got a D and D campaign going on, and he's got his cape on.

41:56 He's like, anyone wants to join the game. I was like, hats off to that dude. He's yeah, he knows who he is, and he's he's he's, he's going for it. Yeah, that was that was the kiss of death in nineteen eighty one. Talking to girls about D and D. It was just it was never gonna happen. It's kind of nice, like the indoor kid Like there's there's a couple of girls in the group and they're they're all like into science, and yeah, that's a fun scene, and I think it gives a movie a little bit of something that the rest of the movie doesn't have. Like you said, you need a couple, you need some smart people in here, and ye, as ridiculous as the subplot is of them saving the day, it's it's still kind of fun to see then, you know, and then they get some representation and that they're not just you know, they're not picked on, they're not you know right right, Yeah, it's kind of nice. I'm gonna I'm gonna choose my scene based on the fact that, uh, I don't know if she's seen it, but I'm going with it. Pissed Amber Lewis off. I have to believe, you know, I have to believe that if Amber sees this movie, she's probably getting pissed at this scene and and Dayton I'm talking about. Look, I love a good montage, but the montage of going into town.

43:06 Oh that is like the worst scene in the whole movie. Yeah again, I totally get this film is mostly a collection of vignettes strung together, but it's just the dumbest and most misplaced scene, you know. And it starts off like, hey, you know, you know, you know Beth, you know, Jeanine Garofflow. She's like, Hey, I want to I want to impress David Hyde Pierce. I want to get a book at the library on after physics. And then all the kids, you know, she rolls up at her pickup truck and all the all the counselors are oh, we're going into town and they jump in the back and you're like, okay, this could have been a fun scene them getting into sea against around town. Uh they're in like what is Waterville, Massachusetts?

43:50 I think, yeah, but we don't get that. We know, we get we get we get them beating up an elderly woman to rob her, and not just like I'm not talking about like Vic or you know, Andy, I'm talking like Janine Garofalo is in on it like they're they're beating up an elderly woman. They're they're getting strung out on heroin inside of a trap house, and they're all, what are we doing here? I don't understand it at all. It's so out of character for the movie. It just doesn't belong. I don't know what they're thinking. I looked. I looked for this because I wanted the scene. It bothered me so much. I was like, I need answers. Yeah, why, I agree? I agree?

44:32 Nothing I could find anything, you know, I just I want to know, like, why why did we get this scene? You know? I think somebody probably on set, you know, after shooting, was they were drinking there, Like wouldn't it be funnyf we went in to town to do all this stuff and that's how it happened? It maybe? Yeah, because I. Can't imagine they sat down and wrote that. It's either that or it's like, uh, hey, we're like it's like eighty eight minutes. We got to at least break the ninety minute mark. Can we can we just do something real quick? Okay, let's just shoot up, you know. Let's yeah, it makes those sense, It makes those. They could have done anything they could have done them, you know, graffiting a monument. They could have done anything, you know that they should have. You know, they could have showed that they're getting in trouble, but realistically, and I I hate that I'm using the word realistic, well right like this, but I don't know, it just didn't fit.

45:25 It really didn't. I don't know any other scene. Look, I know, I definitely don't. We wanted to talk about a scene, but since this is like a series of moments, is there something that stood out here that we should talk about? So you kind of brought it up earlier and with Molly Shannon, but I actually kind of enjoyed the segments with her and her craft class, like they were there like supporting her and like, you know, it's it's okay, you know, because as ridiculous it is, and sometimes you need people to talk to and it might be twelve year old kids but whatever. And even at the end, you know, because apparently the little boy it was Aaron was supposed to actually kiss Smally Shannon. That yeah, I know, and so they just they blocked it differently and he just like tucks her hair behind her ear and apparently, like years later, people actually talk to that that actor and say, you know what, that's one of their favorite scenes.

46:24 One of their favorite moments is him being really sweet to her. You know. Now, the idea that they're gonna get, you know, go off together is just ridiculous and stupid. And that's where it ends for it being any kind of yay. It's like they had they took a great idea and then they just pissed all over it. But before that it's fine. It's just where it goes. It's funny in the beginning because he you know, she breaks down, she starts crying from these kids at arts and Crafts, and then he jumps up and gets behind her, starts massaging her shoulders. He's like, hey, Roy is who he is? You know he's getting that right, like sound advice. Look look at me. It's just just say, you know, like he's you know, they're having like a Fulger's choice moment, and it's borderline. It's borderline. She makes it borderline creepy but also funny because she's like, oh, your hands are magic, and I'm like, he's twelve, what.

47:15 Do you do He's wiser than his years. Come on, now, I guess oh man, Dayton. Let's run the numbers on this one ninety two minutes. It premiered at the two thousand and one Sundance Film Festival on January twenty third, two thousand and one. It's sold out all four screenings. What yeah now? And look at first, I kind of scoffed, as like four, it only got four? Four screens. I had I looked this up because I want to be fair. The average amount of screenings that a movie gets at Sundance Film Festival is four to six. So it sold out all four of its screening, So hats off to David Wayne in the group. But despite that, it failed to attract a distributor. And it was several months later when USA Films bought it for the lo low sum of one hundred thousand dollars.

48:10 Wow. And this was a hey, we don't need you to do any pickups, we don't need you for promotion. We'll just take it off your hands for one hundred thousand, and they went for it. Yeah. From there, it had a limited theatrical release in a handful of cities. I'll be honest, I saw this one. This was a I think the first time I saw it was on cable, maybe HBO or something like that, and it was just people. One of my buddies was like, oh, this movie is so stupid, you got to check it out. I was like, okay, yeah, sure, is that all? Though? Well, it's kind of like how I sold it to you because I didn't see it when it first came out.

48:52 I saw it after the fact. Now again, you know, it was probably ten years ago when I first saw it, but at that point a lot of this cat had already become big names. So I was like, what, right, how did all these people get in the same movie? And I don't know what it is? So dur uh. You know. We talked about Jennying Rofflow talking about how she fell a lot because she was drunk, and plus it was the wet terrain during production. It rained twenty three out of twenty. Eight days, which is crazy, which. Is you wouldn't you'd never know it there are well yeah, because there's no rain scenes. Yeah, there's no rarain scenes. It's sunny, they're they're in their bathing suits. I did pick up on the fact it had to be cold when when they were shooting this, because you can see their breath. Yes, time you shouldn't be you shouldn't be seeing their breath, which, again another dumb scene. Can we talk real quick? You know, Coop takes Katie to his place to hang out and think, oh, right by barn, that's cold. He's like, ah, you that was. She's like, you want my hoodie? He's like yeah, and then she's like, well now I'm cold. He's like, you want my flannel? Yeah?

49:59 I really like that Flanne. You're gonna have to give it back? Yeah, right now? Like why are they doing this? Why are they doing this? That was like where we're going satire, I think, But uh again, they sold this for a one hundred thousand dollars. Keep in mind it made they The budget was one point eight million, that is what they it took to make this movie. But it did finish its box office run with two hundred ninety five thousand dollars. I was gonna say, there's no way they made their money back. No, they're not. They're not making their money. But I would think they've made their money back at this point with DVDs and Blu rays, and you.

50:41 Know, I have to think so by now, Yeah you think so. Don't listeners, don't let this uh suaye Joe thirty nine percent fresh on Rotten Tomatoes with an IMBD score of six point five out of ten. And if you're curious, Roger Ebert he was. He was a bit of a horn dog like he he happened to like like the sex comedies did not in this case. He gives it one star out of four. But date and I'll tell you something, Uh, if one even one of these girls had taken their tops off, I bet you Roger gives it two maybe three stars. He's up, he's up in his annie. I think you think so maybe yeah, Well, yeah, it's funny because it's it's it's a definitely an R rated comedy, and it's a sex comedy. I camp and there's no nudity.

51:34 No, and there's not really any sex either. I mean there's not really any an they're making out, but you know, so hats off, the hats off, the wing he he he picks a genre and doesn't do what you're supposed to do just for the sake of doing it right. Because again, Elizabeth Banks and you know, none of these none of these actresses were stars at this point, right, you know, I dig i dig I dig that David went took the high road there. All right, Well, let's uh, let's wrap things up, Dayton, because uh, I got I got an idea of where you might land on this one. But before we do that, I want to talk about David Wayne one last time. All right. Now, if someone watches Wet Hot American Summer and they say, hey, what else has this guy got? I'm kind of curious, and I get it. I know he's done some big budget stuff, but is there any underrated stuff like this that I don't know about? Dayton? What underrated project would you suggest someone check out for David Wayne, Whether it's something he was he directed, something he wrote, maybe something he was in because he this guy's got a long filmography of Yeah, of all three, what do you got for us?

52:45 So this was difficult because there's a lot of stuff he's done that I haven't seen. And so I did pick a film that I you know, I've seen and actually did enjoy and with quite a cast as well. And this one from twenty twelve. It's a Wanderlust with Jennifer Aniston. Paul read, Yeah, I mean when Ackerman now an Alda is in it. Catherine's Katherine Hahn and of course Can Marino shows up in it as well. Uh, it was. It was fun, you know, it was. It was better than this, you know, showing growth. So but yeah, it was, it was. It was better than I expected, let's put it that way. So, yeah, that was. It's pretty good. It's along this okay, similar humor, kind of Uh you know, you got Jennifer Aniston in there trying to grow her career at that point, and uh, yeah, it's fun. It's fine.

53:36 I've okay, I've I've actually I've never seen it, so okay, I'll check it out based on your recommendation. Yeah, it's pretty good. It's it's a little bit more controlled, okay, right, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. Yeah, I got something. You're probably gonna scratch your head on this one. I don't I don't know if you've seen it, I definitely you might not even heard of it. But if you're a fan of Adult Swim, okay, okay, did you ever see Children's Hospital with Rob Cowdrey. I'm familiar with it. I might have watched like an episode or two, but that was about it. Yeah. It's so this is something that that he he kind of created very well, there's a lot of people from what hot American summer Like, yeah, like you said, this guy likes to keep his his friends close and keep him working. I think it did like three seasons.

54:28 It's it's a it's a hopital, it's a hospital drama. Sure, you know it's twisted to say the very least. Yeah, but I think it's one of those things like listeners. If you if you don't know what it is, I'll just tell you this, Uh, go on YouTube and if you're not checking out the Documents seventy seven channel or the film Boy channel, just do a search for for Children's Hospital. Just watch the trailer and you're either gonna be like nope, or you're gonna you're like, like Dayton had curiosity for this movie. Yes, you'll have curiosity for Children's Hospital. It's it's yes, it's a little it's it's weird, but it's I would say dark, dark humor basically. Yeah, yeah, all right, Dayton. It's a wet, hot American summer. It's a it's streaming. I think it's streaming on Peacock right now.

55:20 It's obviously on Netflix. There's a few others. I recommend the uh, the DVD or the Blue ray. I you know the blue rays out now, but I'm I'm not gonna read buy it. But DVD it's actually got uh it's got a good commentary track with David Wayne and Janine Garoffalo. It's got some deleted scenes, It's got some fun stuff. You'll probably buy it on Amazon af for like six bucks, I'm guessing, but uh, it's it's if you like dumb, you know, I'm gonna ask you, like, what do you what do you? What do you think? Are you? Are you gonna recommend this to anybody? So Okay, Honestly, the only reason I would recommend it to anybody would be because everybody that's in it if you want to see it, because it is a who's who before they were famous, you know, there's a lot of people in it, and if you want to get it's always I think it's fun going back after you've seen an actor, like say, you know you really love Bradley Cooper, go back and see that, you know, here's his feature film debut. You know, things like that. So if you want to kind of see where a lot of these careers began, you know, that's that's the reason to watch it. Uh it's you know, I watched it once and I will probably never watch it again. So hey, but I will say that it's an important film because of the people that are in it.

56:40 Yep. And it is important film because the filmmakers. It's kind of where they started with feature film because the most stuff they were doing before this was TV. Yeah, and we now Wayne has a new film, Gail Daughtry and the Celebrity Sex Pass that actually looks fun. That looks really John Haynes, I think, yes. John Hamm is actually so. Zoe Deutsch is the lead and she has to go have sex with John ham because her husband actually had sex with celebrities. So that's the whole story. It looks funny a lot of people. Ken Marino actually was co writer, so there's that. And then with a show Walter Hoop, of course we mentioned places Coop and it was a co writer. His film The Big Sick was really really good, okay, with Zoe Xan and Holly Hunter, Ray Romano, I mean, some big names in there. And he also wrote and directed Hello my Name is Doris with Sally Field.

57:34 I did not know that. Yeah, it's actually so it's important to see where filmmakers and actors start and see where they get to. And I think that's a reason to watch it if you want to kind of see how this stuff began. Yeah, I think a movie like this has to walk, so some big things have can run. Yes, truly, yeah, and I would. I'm gonna agree with you. Like I I own a copy of it because someone was like, just get it and I was like, you know, fine, I'll spend ten bucks whatever. But it's for the performances. Like like I said, I love Paul Rudd in this movie. I love how ridiculous his character is. But it's cool to see Bradley Cooper before he's Bradley Cooper. We don't really talk a lot about her, but Amy Poehler, who like you mentioned, is about the joint Saturday Night Live right before this movie. She is just off the charts in this movie, you know, and like, you know me, that's that's what it is. It's you like, if you're me and you know her as Leslie note from Parks and rec where you can't imagine her being cruel to anybody, watch this movie where she's she's just a witch these kids and it plays for laughs obviously, but it's it's it's it's cool to see where these guys got their start. Yeah, and it wasn't too long ago. This is two thousand and one. It's celebrated. It's it's a twenty fifth anniversary this year. If you have Netflix again, you can check

59:05 out the eight episode sequel series Wet Hot American Summer Ten years Later, as well as the eight episode prequel series Wet Hot American Summer, First Day of Camp and Dating. I know you haven't seen either one of these, but surprisingly both series bring back this all star cast from the movie each time, you know, and then there's several new characters, some high profile actors like Alyssa Milano, Kristin Wiggs, Jason Schwartzman, Chris Pine shows up, and then Adam Scott. He's playing the Ben role that Bradley Cooper is in. Like, so he's in I can't. I think he's in the prequel series is where he plays Ben. But a lot of fun stuff. It's it's pretty cool, So check them out next time on a film. Buy My Arm is uh, it's just now healing from the twisting it received from our very own Amber and Angela. They reminded me that it is, in fact the anniversary of Legally Blonde, and I made the mistake of saying I've never saw it because they both questioned me the date and they're like, hey, we're looking at the schedule and we don't see legally Blond anywhere. I was like, yep, boy, did I get it talking to So they're coming back from vacation a little bit early because they want to talk about Legally Blonde and they want to hear what I have to

1:00:36 say about it. So I'm gonna check it. I'm gonna check it out. It could you know, I have to believe it's you know, well, I like it. You know, you see that's in the theater actually when it opened that summer. So I enjoyed it. We have a copy of them, wife and I probably watch it every couple of years. So yeah, I enjoy it. I mean it's you have to take it. For what it is. Yeah, Sequels, I like the sequel is stupid. It was got a like a new Amazon and they're like a. Pre Yes, there's a series called L. Yeah, it's called L. Yeah, And okay, that's fine. You know, I'm not interested in that one. To me, it was it was Reese Witherspoon, it was uh oh not Owen Wilson's what's the other one?

1:01:20 Luke will Okay, yeah, I'll watch it. And he's and he's he's charming in it. I like him a lot. It's funny and you and it starts off silly, and her character is definitely over the top, but at the same time, there is intelligence in there. You know, she's not just another dumb blonde. So well, I've committed and uh so, uh well, we'll find out next week. Amber and Angela will be coming back. We'll be talking about legally blonde. H How would you summarize it in five words exactly? You can go to a Film by podcast dot com to give us your answer, or you can email us at a film by Podcast at gmail dot com. If we use your five words synopsis on the show, we'll shout you out on the episode and we'll give you some film by swag. As always, join us on social media. You'll find us on YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, and x We love interacting with you, sharing opinions, taking your requests, for taking your requests for future episodes, and debating great movies. Dayton, thank you again for stopping by and joining me for I like that you said this movie needs to be seen. You're like, you're like doctor Jones, like it belongs to the museum. You know, I don't, you know, You're.

1:02:37 Never a movie. It's important though. Okay, well, thank you. I'll tell you what I've been. I've been digging something I didn't mention. I know we were talking about some of the things you're doing on docum Base seventy seven at the top of the hour. Uh you're doing this, uh this like Limited nineteen seventy seven. Yes, yes, I've been digging that. That's been. That's been some good stuff. It's been a lot of fun. The idea over the next two seasons we're going to discuss at least one album, one one film from that year, kind of going back and forth. And as of right now, consistently the music has been better than the movies we've chosen. And part of that is on me, because I one that chose everything. But when you look at that year, you know, you pick out the ones, Oh I know that movie, I know that movie or whatever, and and so it's going to get better from film wise. I mean, we did Smoking the Bandit, which of course every knows. We just did any Call, Yeah, we had, and then we've done h Sin after Sin from Judas Priest. We're getting ready to record Out of the Blue from Elo. So there's a lot of really good music that year and a lot of big films. In fact, we're gonna do I'm fighting a couple of year, a couple of year, guys over, we're going to do the animated Hobbit. I've never seen it before, so the rap back, yeah, I've never seen it, so they'll before we.

1:03:55 Covered that one. Or no, we didn't do the Hobbit. We did Lord of the Rings. Yes, David Scott did that. Okay, yeah, I like that and. David Scott Nope, I have never seen the animated one. No, it's so good. It's it. Actually, that's a good one. If you have not done so already, check out the Docking Bay seventy seven podcast where our good friend Dayton Johnson talks about whatever he likes. I think that's what the original tagline of it. That was the originally Yes, now it's friendly nerds discussing what they're listening to, reading and watching. Yeah, good stuff, and we look forward to more of it and to all of you out there listening to our show, following us on social media, subscribing to the Patreon, We absolutely thank you and we'll see you next week.