Dec. 22, 2025

Rian Johnson - Brick

Rian Johnson - Brick
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Season 6

With Rian Johnson's latest Knives Out entry, Wake Up Dead Man available to stream, we'll remind you he's no stranger to the genre, as we look back on his directorial feature film debut, Brick!

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Brad, today is the day. It's the twenty third, we

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finally get the Knives Out sequel. Did you you didn't

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watch it yet? Did you?

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No? Not yet? Yeah?

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Okay, I'm watching it as soon as we're done here,

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So I'm looking forward to that. Speaking of the Knives

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Out sequel, Glass Onion, I want to talk about a

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film by Ryan Johnson today. Are you good with that?

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Yeah, let's talk about his first film, his two thousand

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and five neo noir film Brick.

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Hello, everybody, Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays. I am Jeff Johnson.

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I am Brad Kozo and this is a.

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Film buy Uh. We are talking about Ryan Johnson's mysterious

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directorial debut, Brick. Uh. Just to celebrate in today's day,

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we finally get that, uh, that Glass Onion movie that

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we've been looking forward to. Brad. Yeah, yeah, we've talked

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about Ryan Johnson earlier this year. I know we talked

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about him elsewhere. I'll reinstate my my feelings. I'm a

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big Ryan Johnson fan, are you?

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Uh? How how do I put this? I'm going to

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upset a lot of listeners today, but I'm going to

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be respectful and I'm Curtis, uh, you know, curteous and

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and nice and open minded. But as of this moment, no,

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I'm not the biggest Ryan Johnson fan, and but I

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I that there is more to the guy than what

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we've seen so far.

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So well, now I have to just go ahead and

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just cut to the chase. Are you a fan? Did

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you enjoy the film? Brick?

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I can say with absolutely I did not enjoy this film.

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But that's okay though, because we don't like every film

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that we talk about here on a film Buy. But

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there's still a lot of stuff to talk about it.

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But I wasn't a fan of this film, but doesn't

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mean there isn't some good elements in there as well.

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We we're in for a conversation than my friend because

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I'm I'm a big fan of the film, So We're

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we're gonna clash today and that's okay, Yeah.

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That's okay.

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Well, look, it's it's his directory of debut. You want

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to let our listeners know what Brick is all about?

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Sure, without giving out any spoilers, because there is a

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lot of plot points and spoilers to this film. You

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basically have high school owner Brendan who's played by Ryan

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Johnson regular Joseph Gordon Levitt as he discovers his ex

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girlfriend dead in a sewer and on his way to

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find out what happened to her, he is thrown into

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an underworld of drugs, infidelity, and murder.

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I feel like your synopsis gave away more than other

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synopsis that I've read, because you said dead girlfriend and

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other ones they say missing. So you know you're spoiling

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yourself now, pal.

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Well, I mean, I mean this is the opening shot.

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The opening shot it is, and it's very quickly revealed

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that you know it is Brendan's ex girlfriend. And I

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will say that I was actually a very a fan

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of the opening of this film.

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Okay, well, let's let's get to that in a second.

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Let's talk a quick bit about the cast here. So

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obviously you mentioned Ryan john in regular Joseph Gordon Levitt.

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This is his first time working with Ryan Johnson and Brad.

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I gotta say, I feel like this is the film

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that made Joseph Gordon Levitt a bona fide movie star.

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I don't know if it made him a movie star,

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but he definitely graduated out of you know, he was

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stuck in that kind of the third Rock from the Sun,

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young kid almost in a Nickelodeon Disney kid field. This

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graduated him into more adult themed stuff and then basically

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after this, we started to see this kind of rise

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of him, you know, taking notice out of television.

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You know what. Yeah, you let's go with what you're

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what you're saying there, because uh yeah, maybe not the

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movie star, but this is where he becomes an adult,

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a serious actor, right right? How about that? A serious actor.

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The guy that you saw an inception, the guy that

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you saw in in the Dark Knight, uh rises, Uh,

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this is the this is where that Joseph Gordon Levitt

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comes from. He is sensational in this movie. Might be

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my favorite thing about the movie.

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Yeah, he is good, you know. I mean he's in

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every scene every Yeah.

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How often do you see that where you have an

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actor in every single scene of the movie. It's rare,

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isn't it. He's incredible. His character well, I want to

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mention it later with some of the scenes, but I

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love the confidence of the character. You know, there's a

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reason for his confidence and we'll get into that when

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we talk about the a little bit about the production

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of this movie. But he's fantastic. What'd you think about?

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What do you think about Lucas Has playing the pin.

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Terrible casting choice? What no, terrible casting choice. I don't

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understand he's he's now I think been featured on This

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is the second a film by episode. I believe he

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was on Mars Attacks he was. I'm like, for somebody,

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that is just not very what I call screen friendly.

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Uh yeah, I I bad choice, not intimidating at all.

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As supposed to be a dark drug lord he was.

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He was laughable in my opinion, Okay, I see I can't.

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I mean, with the exception of the little kid and witness,

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I've never really seen the appeal of him.

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You you get a new prescription for those glasses. Man.

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Man, I just I don't when you when you think

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of drug under lord, this is not the name that

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pops up Lucas Haas.

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That's that's why it's brilliant, Okay, Because Lucas Haas is

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known for playing the adorable kid. He's known for playing

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the the easy going, the the quiet guy. You know,

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he's he's very non confrontational, and here he is he's

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the kingpin of this, uh this drugs drug operation in

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this town. And he's dressed like, uh, I don't know

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Johnny Depp in uh Dark Shadows, and he he's creepy.

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He he is, he put he he kind of put

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me on edge. And you don't expect that from Lucas

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has but he's I found him intimidating. I found him

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a little bit uh, unsettling, like the haircut, the strange

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you know, he's got the he's got the strange thing

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with the cane and the one dress shoe and the

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one boot. He's creepy as hell, man, but it's almost

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like he walked out of Blue Velvet. I love him

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in this movie. I can't believe you don't like him.

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Yeah, not a fan of Blue Velvet either, but just okay,

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I mean yeah, I didn't. I didn't. I felt that

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because you were hearing about Pin, you know, and there

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was a big build up for him, so I was expecting, uh,

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somebody else or just yeah, I wasn't expecting that.

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All right, Well, let's talk about our in Fatale. Norah

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ze Hetner, who plays Laura. I don't know where she's been,

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I don't know where she came from, but a sensational

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young actress. I really enjoyed her performance.

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She did have the femme fatale down. Okay, Yeah, I

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mean she she definitely had that that look, that speech

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that you know, come hither, she like almost like a

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cheetah in the corner. You know, she did that very

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very well. I feel you have a lot of questions

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about her character.

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Yeah, I feel like this whole episode, I'm gonna be

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pulling things from you, just just for you to say

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nice things. I feel like about this film.

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I tell you, even though it's a film that every film,

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even the worst ones, there you can find good things

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to say about.

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I got nothing but get things to say. So moving

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on to our other female lead, Emily. Emily d Raven

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playing Emily, the the girl in who we see briefly

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and mostly in flashbacks. I remember her from Lost a

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long time ago. I think she did. She was in

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the Hills Hills Have Ice remake. I remember in that too,

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But again, I haven't really seen a whole lot from her.

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Yeah, I mean, she's got a very familiar face. Though

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I had never seen Loss, so I was I was

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hoping that you would come up with something that I

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had seen her in, but I guess I haven't.

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Well, you saw Hills the Hills have eyes. Yeah, but yeah, wow,

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it's been a while, right yeah she I mean she

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played the young girl, the young daughter. All right, Uh,

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we got a couple of uh of the pins Henchman

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as it were. Uh, you gotta we gotta talk about

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uh tug played by Noah flice I. I I know

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you're probably gonna have plenty to say about his wardrobe.

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Oh yeah, but whatd you what did you think of?

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What did you think of Tuger?

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I didn't like Tug.

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You didn't like Tuger. You had to like his car?

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I know you like, I know you love that far.

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I hated his outfit, his beanie.

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Hit.

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That strand of hair that just had to come down

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like through the beanie that just like wouldn't go away.

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There was just remember remember.

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This is to remember this is two thousand and four,

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two thousand and five high school. Yeah, but that look,

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you know, Vin Diesel was making that look crazy popular

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because of the Fast and Furious film, So you you

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gotta give it. Never had any hair, well yeah yeah,

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but he had the he had the the white tank

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top and the and the muscle car. I mean, help

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me out here, Come on.

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I mean Tuger was just a little too I don't know,

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too crazy.

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I guess he's a hinchman. Yeah, he doesn't want to

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be a hitchman. He wants to he wants to kind

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of take over things.

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Right, Yeah, yeah, it's what he's basically looking to do.

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All right. How about Dode played by Noah Sigan.

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Okay, it's nothing with the actors, and it's nothing with

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What I feel is that I couldn't understand that Emily's characters,

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with the exception of Brendan choice of men, her men

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were idiots. You know, You've got Tugger and Dode, and

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there was just a lot of things about that that

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I didn't kind of understand her. You know. It kind

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of made emily characters seem a little stupid.

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Well, okay, it's I'll let me help you out with this,

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or maybe I don't help you out, but I can

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I can sum her up real easy because it's and

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it's all in her dialogue when she tell when when

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Brendan tries uh to to kind of help her, to

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kind of give her one last shot to like come

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back to me, like let me take let me take

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you away, she is wilfully saying, no, you can't be

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a part of what I'm at, where I'm at, you

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can't be a part of the people I'm with. She

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is a drug addict at this point. She is someone

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that's that's fallen in with that with the wrong crowd.

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She wants to be one of them. She wants to

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be around them, and so that's why her taste, her

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choice in in uh in guys is going to be

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awful because they're all scumbacks. They're all drug dealing in scumbags.

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So you know, yeah, all right, let's let's switch back

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to the to Brennan's side. Uh, Matt O'Leary playing the Brain,

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you had to like this guy. This was a cool

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I mean, I like this guy.

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You know, he was a cool character. We we don't

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really even know if he is Does he ever actually

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stand up? No, I don't believe that his character is

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ever shown standing up. You know, it's for like for

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a while, I'm like, is he a paraplegic? But you know,

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the Brain, the Brain character was was okay. The Matt

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Larry did did very fine with it. I mean it

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basically gave us a he he was like the viewers

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kind of uh, you know, kind of like map for

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the movie. This is this is, this is that is.

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They're connected to that kind of thing. So that's he

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he was kind of telling us without Joseph Gordon Levitt

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having to explain it to us.

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Okay, so let me maybe I'll blow your mind, maybe

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I make you like the film just a little bit more,

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because what you're saying, not only do you never see

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him standing, he's always in that same position, but you

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also never see him with anybody but Joseph Gordon Levitz

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Brendan Brad. There is a popular fan theory that suggests

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the brain is not even a real character. He's a

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He's basically a part of Brendan's subconscious.

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I can definitely believe that, which would which.

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Would also account for the fact that why he doesn't

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have like an actual name. Now, granted, Lucas Haas plays

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the pen. He's the he's the the kingpin, and Tug

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is Tug. You know, I get that, But he's this

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guy's the brain. So, when pushed for an answer on

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this fan theory, Ryan Johnson has playfully neither confirmed nor

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denied the theory that the brain is just a part

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of Brendan's subconscious. So I think that's cool, I you know,

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because looking at it, you're like, this guy he's very

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helpful to Brendan. He's always he is there. Any time

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Brendan needs something or wants something, he just says it

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without you know, he just he just agrees, right.

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Yeah, But he doesn't help him out physically though exactly.

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But he's he's the information guy. And the idea that

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Joseph Gordon Levitt's character is never sleeping, like did you

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ever notice, like you know, the brain is always like

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get some sleep, man, you need some sleep. Yeah, And

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Brendan back at him, is like, all right, I'm go

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on home, get some rest. They're very they're very concer

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learn for each other's well being physically and mentally, but

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they never earned it. You know. I don't know, I

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find I find that character.

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Could I mean it could be you know if obviously,

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if he's had experience with you know, Heroin and all

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that stuff before, could be flashbacks wrap hell. It could

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still be that he uses and they just don't show it,

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and then when he uses, that's when brain appears. It

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could be many things like that.

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Good good good call. Uh one more one more fem

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fatale for us. I want to mention her just because

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I love her scenes the banter between her and Joseph

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Gordon Lovitt talking about Megan Good playing.

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Kara, Yeah, I didn't understand her character at all.

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You didn't understand her character? No, she's the gateway into

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the underworld.

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Yeah, but I just there was just a lot with

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her that was like, we need to move on, this

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story needs to move on. I felt he was wasting

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a lot of time with her.

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Oh for crying out, All right, well let's move on.

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Surely you must have liked Richard Rowntree shaft himself playing

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assistant VP Truman.

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Yeah, I like Richard Rowntree. Yeah, he pops up every

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once in a while playing the system VP. Did you

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know he did really well even though I, like I said,

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there's a lot of things. I don't think he could

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be swindled by a high school kid like that. But

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that's just me.

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Well again, though, like there was a major drug operation

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that they that the school caught onto. Yeah, Brendan was

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heavily implicated but never caught. And he's kind of, you know,

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he kind of gets a little bit of latitude from

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the assistant VP because because he's it's almost like he's

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working for him, but he's not with him, you know, right,

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And that's that's the beauty of this movie. This is

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this this this neo noir film, which usually these characters

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are centered. You know, you got your your hard luck,

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hard boiled detective or cop or you know private eye

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character who is going through the movie completely confused trying

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to figure something out. We're in the same headspace with

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that guy, and you know, he takes a beating the

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whole way through just to uncover an unfortunate truth nine

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times out of ten. And I love the fact that

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that Ryan Johnson decided to use a high school setting

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for this because when you watch the interaction between him

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and Richard Rowntree's assistant principal vice principal, it's almost like

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a cop talking to their sergeant, you know, or talking

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to the chief, you know, just being like, you know,

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like the chiefs threatened to take their badge and their gun,

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and you know, you got your cop on the edge. Guy.

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I love it for that. I think it's I think

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it's fantastic. I can't I think this argument.

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Is the thing that I hated it for oh, because

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I think that the high school setting really hurts the movie.

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It really takes you out of the believability of yeah

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he might you know there, I can believe that maybe he's,

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you know, working a little bit with you know, the

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vice principal and stuff, but you know, the way he

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talks to him and kind of controls it. And I

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think the language throughout the film mixing with high school

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it doesn't It just doesn't work for me. I don't

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think that them trying to act older and smarter and

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more clever. I mean, I've said this a bunch of times.

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You know, my wife works in a high school. I've

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worked in a high school. High school kids are stupid,

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you know, they're not that smart, and then in this

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movie they're way too clever and way too cool.

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That's the irony of the film. That's that's what makes

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this film awesome. Okay, can we maybe Okay, so maybe

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we talk a little bit about the production of the film,

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and maybe I kind of feel like it's my goal

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now to try and win you over a little bit. Here. Uh,

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let's let's start. Let's start with Dashiell Hammett. Are you

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familiar with the name.

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I was so it's it's an author. Yes, it's an

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author that he basically used as his blueprint for the film.

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Well, okay, So Samuel Dashiel Hammett brad one of the

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finest mystery writers of all time. He has been described

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as the dean of the hard boiled school of detective fiction. Yeah,

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and you're and I know you're familiar with his work.

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Remember those days back in Sun Coast, we always had

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those black and those old black and white movies The

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Thin Man, Oh god, yes, okay, so he wrote The

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Thin Man, he wrote The Maltese Falcon, and he created

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the character, the gumshoe detective character, Sam Spade. So this guy,

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this guy is like, he is hard boiled film noir,

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you know, right, the guy that this is the guy

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that kind of created it all. So yeah. Ryan Johnson

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becomes aware of Hammett's work through an interview of the

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Coen Brothers for their nineteen ninety film Miller's Crossing. Did

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you ever see that?

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Oh?

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Yeah, So Johnson grew up on these types of hard

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boiled detective stories. He's always wanted to do his own.

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He reads several Hammett novels he's enthralled by the whole style,

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and he decides he doesn't want to just be you know,

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he's kind of fearful of having his work seen as

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an imitation. So he sets his story in the world

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of high school to give it a fresh visual look,

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to take it, to take that aspect, that that style

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of storytelling somewhere that we've never seen before. And you know, yeah,

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I know, I know your wife's a high school teacher.

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And yeah, kids today maybe maybe they're not the they

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don't you know, maybe they don't take their education as serious.

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But you got to think about like when we were

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in high.

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School, Well, these kids don't take their education seriously. They're

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never in school. There is not Look, then we're not

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gonna get off track.

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Settled down, man, you're wired today. You're coming in hating

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on this movie and you're you're ready to shout stay

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on topic here, man, Yeah, but you got you gotta

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you gotta appreciate the fact that he took this story

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because think about it, when when you were fifteen, when

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you were sixteen and seventeen, Yeah, you didn't know everything,

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but you thought you knew everything, and the things that

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you did know were very important to you. They were

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very serious. You know, breakups and potential fights with someone

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after school. You know, these were very important issues to you.

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These were the only issues to you. So the idea

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that he takes the film noir visual style or you

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know that that storytelling and puts it into a high

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school setting, I think the guy is brilliant for doing it. Okay, well, okay,

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so now you got me going off track. But look,

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he writes his first draft of this movie in nineteen

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ninety seven, right, he's right out of film school. He

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spends seven years trying to trying to sell it, trying

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to get it made because apparently every studio head is

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Brad Kozo at the time, and they're passing because they

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think they think it's too unusual. He's a first time director.

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They don't trust him, and they don't really care for

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the story. So you can wipe that smile off your

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face anytime.

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Because I know where you're going next.

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Well, look, he's determined to make the film, though he

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asks friends and family to help back the project. He

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raises four hundred and fifty thousand dollars for this thing. So,

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I mean, could you imagine when when we were that

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age and you know, hey, well, yeah, I can give

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us a film project. Well, here's half a million dollars. Sure.

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I know we usually you know, talk about the background

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of the director, but to kind of explain that, you know,

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he was a graduate of USC Film School, cards and stuff.

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That is one of the most prestigious, most expensive schools

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as far as filmmakers to get into. You get into

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the USC Film School, you're gonna do fine. So it

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takes a lot of It takes a lot to get

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into that film or to that school. So I don't

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think that Ryan Johnson's family had to take out like

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a second mortgage on their house or anything to fund

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the film.

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But getting back to the film and how it came

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to be, here's what you have to respect. He shoots

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this whole thing in twenty days. Now, Like you said,

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the dialogue is it's tough. These actors they're in that

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hard boiled noir Q so they're speaking fast. It's some

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pretty tough dialogue. And you know what, you don't do that.

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You don't do this movie in twenty days without rehearsing

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for three months. Again, Brad, you're you're no stranger to

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the acting world. Could you imagine getting casting something and

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then the director says, okay, mister Kozo, we're gonna rehearse

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for three months.

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I mean, but you said it. It's it's the kind

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of film you're making. You're not making a you're not

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making screen, you know, so there's not a lot of

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there's probably really no improving or ad libbing, you know.

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It's it has to basically be what's on that page.

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You add lib or improv off this movie you're jumping

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out of you're jumping into a different movie. You can't,

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so you have to stick to script. So, yeah, three

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months of rehearsal with as many characters in this movie

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as there are, speaking that way and doing that kind

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of stuff. Yeah, three months is just about right.

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Okay, well that's fair. I'll give you that.

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And then twenty days, get him in there, get it done,

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get out, you know, don't waste time. It's like, if

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everybody knows it, let's do it now.

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All right, Well he did it now. He filmed it

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in his hometown of San Clemente, California. He shot on

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location at his old high school, San Clemente High. And

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here's here's one thing, one more thing I'll leave you

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with because I want to see what you think about

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this the film's visual style, which for me makes the

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movie such a great film. And since you don't like it,

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I'm gonna ask you he did say, I.

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Actually didn't say I didn't like the visual stile.

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Well, I know, I mean, I'm talking about the film.

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You didn't like the film. But he was influenced the

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making this film. He was influenced by the spaghetti westerns

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that he grew up on. The very popular Japanese anime

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anime series Cowboy Bebop, which I know you've never watched

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in nineteen seventy four is Chinatown. So my question to

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you is, do you see do you see the spaghetti

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western in this? Do you see a little bit of

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China Town in this?

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You can yes and yes and a lot of especially

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at the begining, a lot of the shots are of like,

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you know, the horizon. It's very gray. It's very dirty looking,

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it's very wet looking. It never really looks like like

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it's warm. Yet people dress as if it's you know,

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somewhat early spring, you know, or something like that. But it, Yeah,

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it definitely has a cloudy gray look to it.

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Yeah, let's talk about a couple of scenes you've, you've,

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you've kind of mentioned, you've, you've kind of planted your

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flag that you're not a fan of the film. But

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let's talk about a couple of scenes and see what

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you thought about them. First off, I want to talk

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about the shot at the Coffee and Pie Oh my

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okay restaurant where he walks up to Dodd. We we

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were introduced to Dodd, right, Dodd has his own little

464
00:26:49.000 --> 00:26:55.160
crew of henchmen, and Joseph Gordon Levitt just just cold

465
00:26:55.200 --> 00:26:57.440
cocks him right in the face, just punches the cigarette

466
00:26:57.480 --> 00:27:00.640
right out of his mouth. That that moment where he

467
00:27:00.680 --> 00:27:04.599
turns around on the crew and kind of stands defiantly. Yeah,

468
00:27:04.920 --> 00:27:08.559
I thought, Okay, this is this is Joseph Gordon Levitt,

469
00:27:08.559 --> 00:27:10.960
this is this is his character being confident, being a

470
00:27:10.960 --> 00:27:13.799
tough guy, and being willing to take a beating because

471
00:27:13.799 --> 00:27:15.200
there's no way hes gonna beat up five guys. But

472
00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:19.559
he's got some brilliant dialogue there and he basically breaks

473
00:27:19.599 --> 00:27:22.720
Dodd down, and you know, DoD's Dodd's spilling the beans

474
00:27:22.759 --> 00:27:25.839
on on where he can find Himily, what do you

475
00:27:25.839 --> 00:27:26.559
think of the scene.

476
00:27:26.839 --> 00:27:31.119
I mean, he he knows that, and he knows first

477
00:27:31.119 --> 00:27:33.359
of all that those other guys can take him down,

478
00:27:33.599 --> 00:27:36.720
but he knows the kind of character that Dodd is

479
00:27:37.519 --> 00:27:40.759
to where he knows he can wear him down. He

480
00:27:40.839 --> 00:27:43.440
knows he's weak. He knows he's weak. He doesn't have

481
00:27:43.519 --> 00:27:45.839
to be like as big as like Tug or anybody

482
00:27:45.920 --> 00:27:49.920
like that. He knows just that fear will will get

483
00:27:50.000 --> 00:27:53.079
him to spill a bean. So he knows it, and

484
00:27:53.519 --> 00:27:55.319
his crew knows it to You know, his crew is

485
00:27:55.400 --> 00:27:58.000
kind of in the same boat, you know. They're like, man,

486
00:27:58.039 --> 00:27:59.839
if he's willing to do that with all of us

487
00:27:59.880 --> 00:28:03.079
around him, you know, this guy's crazy. You know, maybe

488
00:28:03.079 --> 00:28:05.039
we shouldn't mess with him. So he knows how to

489
00:28:05.039 --> 00:28:08.079
play with him. I mean, they're they're drug addicts, you know.

490
00:28:08.359 --> 00:28:11.799
Confuse them, and that's basically what he does. He confuses them,

491
00:28:12.119 --> 00:28:13.599
rattles their head. They don't know what to do.

492
00:28:14.960 --> 00:28:18.079
One of my favorite moments for his character a little

493
00:28:18.119 --> 00:28:24.079
bit further down, he discovers Emily's body right at the

494
00:28:24.079 --> 00:28:27.880
the tunnel. Right the fact that he hears a noise

495
00:28:27.960 --> 00:28:31.160
inside the tunnel. His first reaction is to break off

496
00:28:31.200 --> 00:28:34.759
into a run inside the tunnel, assuming it's the person

497
00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:37.960
that killed her. It just makes me love his character

498
00:28:38.000 --> 00:28:41.640
even more. Yeah, he's he's Hans, He's Han solo. He

499
00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:45.839
he just shoots first, right, he's love that, love that

500
00:28:45.920 --> 00:28:46.759
moment first character.

501
00:28:47.839 --> 00:28:52.759
Yeah, I mean he's definitely a I mean, you can

502
00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:56.160
definitely see the Chinatown influence in it. But you know

503
00:28:56.240 --> 00:28:59.359
it's that they he has to get the clue. He

504
00:28:59.599 --> 00:29:01.839
cannot let that person get away. You know, it's like,

505
00:29:02.160 --> 00:29:06.640
obviously there's nobody down there and certain he's finding her.

506
00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:10.240
He's the one that's gonna be implicated in her murder.

507
00:29:10.880 --> 00:29:12.839
He's gotta find out what's going on. It's like, if

508
00:29:12.839 --> 00:29:16.400
it's not somebody else, they're gonna think it's him and

509
00:29:17.799 --> 00:29:22.599
ex girlfriend drug problem in with the wrong crowd. Yeah,

510
00:29:22.640 --> 00:29:24.960
they could definitely arrest him and indict him on that,

511
00:29:25.160 --> 00:29:27.599
no problem. So yeah, he's got to act beast. He

512
00:29:27.680 --> 00:29:29.559
doesn't have time to think anymore.

513
00:29:31.079 --> 00:29:34.359
Well, how about his sarcasm though, because again you mentioned

514
00:29:34.440 --> 00:29:39.599
you mentioned Chinatown there, he is willing to take a

515
00:29:39.640 --> 00:29:44.559
beating just to get information or just to push his uh,

516
00:29:44.880 --> 00:29:48.119
his opponent into you know, he he'll break you down

517
00:29:48.440 --> 00:29:51.279
by by getting the shit kicked out of himself. Yea,

518
00:29:51.920 --> 00:29:55.799
whether it's the parking lot scene with uh with Brad

519
00:29:57.599 --> 00:30:00.480
the Movie Brad, who you know he I feel like

520
00:30:00.519 --> 00:30:01.839
he kind of holds his own there. I love the

521
00:30:01.880 --> 00:30:03.599
fact that the guy's twice his size and he just

522
00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:07.880
keeps coming at him. But even with Tug, Tug just

523
00:30:08.039 --> 00:30:11.799
relentlessly gives him a beat down and he still is

524
00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:15.039
knocking on the window that mustang like I want to

525
00:30:15.079 --> 00:30:19.960
meet the pen you know. Yeah again, Gordon Levitt is

526
00:30:20.400 --> 00:30:22.599
He's just sensation on this movie. I can't talk. I

527
00:30:22.599 --> 00:30:24.920
can't say enough good things about him, but I love

528
00:30:25.079 --> 00:30:28.160
I love the choreography for this being a director of

529
00:30:28.160 --> 00:30:32.200
debut a lot of young unknown actors. I thought the

530
00:30:32.200 --> 00:30:35.839
the fight sequences were fantastic, you know, the way the

531
00:30:35.880 --> 00:30:38.359
way he shot him. I loved him right A little bit.

532
00:30:38.279 --> 00:30:42.720
Different he each, you know, that kind of following the fist, yes,

533
00:30:43.119 --> 00:30:45.559
you know, with the camera at the same time, you know,

534
00:30:45.720 --> 00:30:48.079
type of thing. You know, So that was definitely a

535
00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:52.200
lot different. Yeah, I like his I actually liked the

536
00:30:52.240 --> 00:30:55.839
banter that he had with Movie Brad. You know, he's

537
00:30:55.920 --> 00:31:00.039
like something funny, no, no, no fun.

538
00:31:01.400 --> 00:31:05.440
I mean he makes Movie Brad, he makes him a fool.

539
00:31:05.759 --> 00:31:08.920
You know at the Halloween party, what are you doing

540
00:31:08.960 --> 00:31:14.839
here leaving. Yes, you know who invited you to the

541
00:31:14.880 --> 00:31:15.440
parking lot?

542
00:31:15.880 --> 00:31:18.000
I guess myself, you know, yeah, yeah, I mean he

543
00:31:18.039 --> 00:31:20.519
had Yeah, So there's some good stuff in there.

544
00:31:20.680 --> 00:31:25.599
The sourus line might be the best one, though, when

545
00:31:25.640 --> 00:31:30.400
Brennan's like, there's the source inside the library you'll find

546
00:31:30.440 --> 00:31:33.400
yeah under why Yeah, I just like that.

547
00:31:34.240 --> 00:31:36.720
Yeah, he's got some he's got some good one on there.

548
00:31:37.119 --> 00:31:40.440
Of course, those are the lines that usually you get

549
00:31:40.480 --> 00:31:43.200
smacked from after Yeah, oh yeah, you're gonna get a meeting.

550
00:31:43.240 --> 00:31:45.480
Say then you get a good laugh, but usually get

551
00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:46.559
smacked afterwards.

552
00:31:46.799 --> 00:31:48.559
Yeah you're gonna get it. You're gonna get a punch.

553
00:31:50.200 --> 00:31:53.839
All right. So is there a scene that because I could,

554
00:31:53.880 --> 00:31:56.160
I could keep talking about stuff I like, but let's

555
00:31:56.480 --> 00:31:59.119
let's talk about something. Is there a specific scene, Brad,

556
00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:02.279
Not not a style, not a shot, but is there

557
00:32:02.319 --> 00:32:04.400
a specific scene that you just didn't care for or

558
00:32:04.440 --> 00:32:06.880
that you're like this is that that led you down

559
00:32:06.920 --> 00:32:08.519
the path of Hey, I don't really like this film.

560
00:32:08.720 --> 00:32:14.119
I think when he is talking to I mean, the

561
00:32:14.599 --> 00:32:18.680
conversation with the VP was a little hard to swallow,

562
00:32:19.519 --> 00:32:21.920
and then I believe it is like one of the

563
00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:27.759
last scenes with like Kara and you know, the whole musical, like,

564
00:32:28.440 --> 00:32:30.240
you know, the whole thing of her being a performer

565
00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:33.519
and stuff. There was I felt that they were just

566
00:32:35.400 --> 00:32:37.680
kind of showing off at that point of like, look,

567
00:32:37.720 --> 00:32:40.160
we can do this and we can add this in

568
00:32:40.400 --> 00:32:44.160
as well, but it didn't really serve the story at all.

569
00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:47.160
So I felt like, especially like you know, the Cara

570
00:32:47.319 --> 00:32:51.119
girl was, I felt that Brendon was smart enough to

571
00:32:51.119 --> 00:32:52.200
where he didn't need her.

572
00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:55.720
I don't disagree with you, but I just I enjoyed

573
00:32:55.720 --> 00:32:58.279
Megan Good's performance so and I liked how she kind

574
00:32:58.279 --> 00:33:01.440
of toyed with him. She was she is the one

575
00:33:01.759 --> 00:33:04.960
that you know because obviously she's she's in on she

576
00:33:04.960 --> 00:33:08.599
she's kind she's kind of connected, she's she's juiced in

577
00:33:08.680 --> 00:33:12.799
as far as like what's happening where Emily's at. And

578
00:33:12.839 --> 00:33:16.720
I feel like she enjoys her character enjoys toying with

579
00:33:16.839 --> 00:33:20.559
guys and the fact that she can't toy with him

580
00:33:21.400 --> 00:33:23.400
he frustrates her, but she's gonna keep doing it. And

581
00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:26.720
he is easily frustrate with her because he can't crack

582
00:33:26.799 --> 00:33:28.759
her like he can't other people. And that's why they're

583
00:33:29.279 --> 00:33:31.359
There are scenes they've only got a handful of scenes together,

584
00:33:31.400 --> 00:33:36.599
but they're they're very brief, and they end very very stifled,

585
00:33:36.720 --> 00:33:38.799
you know, yeah, like almost like you're just waiting for

586
00:33:38.839 --> 00:33:40.559
him to say, oh, f off, you know, and and

587
00:33:40.640 --> 00:33:41.759
storm out there.

588
00:33:41.920 --> 00:33:45.680
There's one thing that works in this film that it

589
00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:48.759
is just kind of odd, is that you see the

590
00:33:50.720 --> 00:33:55.839
how difficult it is to communicate without a cell phone

591
00:33:56.119 --> 00:33:59.839
in high school. Him having to run to these phone

592
00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:03.200
booth and do all this stuff. And I'm like, you

593
00:34:03.359 --> 00:34:05.359
just watched it, Like, man, this this would be a

594
00:34:05.440 --> 00:34:07.759
lot simpler for him if he had a cell phone.

595
00:34:08.000 --> 00:34:11.039
But you know, he's running all over town.

596
00:34:11.719 --> 00:34:14.519
They're passing notes, they're jamming notes inside the lockers, he's

597
00:34:14.559 --> 00:34:16.719
looking through books for clues.

598
00:34:17.239 --> 00:34:19.000
Yeah, he's having to do it. And I mean as

599
00:34:19.079 --> 00:34:20.719
soon as he wants to get in touch somebody, he's

600
00:34:20.719 --> 00:34:22.559
got to meet him at a phone booth and how

601
00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:25.639
it's yeah, huge process for him.

602
00:34:25.719 --> 00:34:27.519
This is not this is a completely different movie if

603
00:34:27.519 --> 00:34:30.960
it's shot today or if it's saving Today's anything else

604
00:34:31.000 --> 00:34:33.440
that bothered you, Brad. I hate to ask, you know,

605
00:34:33.559 --> 00:34:35.800
but because I know I'm staring at the bar of

606
00:34:35.800 --> 00:34:36.320
a load of gun.

607
00:34:36.360 --> 00:34:40.360
But I mean it. Just for me, it did not

608
00:34:40.840 --> 00:34:47.039
feel believable with that style and these kids in this

609
00:34:48.800 --> 00:34:52.039
the way they were, the location that they are in,

610
00:34:53.000 --> 00:34:57.280
I didn't buy them using this kind of dialogue. Not

611
00:34:57.400 --> 00:35:02.920
that the dialogue was bad, I've felt that this, if

612
00:35:03.000 --> 00:35:05.519
you're gonna do this movie, the high school setting was

613
00:35:05.599 --> 00:35:06.480
not the way to go.

614
00:35:08.440 --> 00:35:11.599
Again, I gotta disagree with you, but you are entitled

615
00:35:11.760 --> 00:35:15.760
to your opinion, sir. So let's take a quick break

616
00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:18.320
and when we get back, Brad, I want to talk

617
00:35:18.360 --> 00:35:20.079
about Ryan Johnson. Let's do it.

618
00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:24.360
Hi, I'm Dayton Johnson, the host of the docum based

619
00:35:24.360 --> 00:35:28.760
seventy seven podcast. I love to talk about movies. First

620
00:35:28.800 --> 00:35:32.280
of all, it was Radberg's directorial debut once from the

621
00:35:32.280 --> 00:35:34.280
get go, proving that he is one of the best

622
00:35:34.360 --> 00:35:37.039
directors in Hollywood. There I've said it. It's so much fun.

623
00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:38.599
The jokes are great, like I said, and you have

624
00:35:38.639 --> 00:35:41.840
such a great voice. Cast Harry Connick Junior as a

625
00:35:41.840 --> 00:35:43.840
pet Nick was a stroke of genius to kind of

626
00:35:43.880 --> 00:35:46.960
cast him. I mean, come on, I love to talk

627
00:35:47.000 --> 00:35:49.760
about music. I want to talk about the first song

628
00:35:49.800 --> 00:35:52.800
on the album Our Letter Seal. As far as I'm concerned,

629
00:35:53.559 --> 00:35:58.000
this is a perfect possible. It's catchy, it's fun, it's

630
00:35:58.840 --> 00:36:01.639
not quite a few minutes long. Oh, the vocals are great.

631
00:36:01.719 --> 00:36:04.280
It's just so much fun. And there's nothing there's nothing wrong.

632
00:36:04.360 --> 00:36:07.880
It's just a perfect possible and I have a lot

633
00:36:07.880 --> 00:36:09.760
of friends that like to do so as well.

634
00:36:10.400 --> 00:36:12.039
The witches are are you know, as long as they're

635
00:36:12.039 --> 00:36:13.119
the creepy sexy witches.

636
00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:17.639
You know you shouldn't be looking like the neck down. Okay, good,

637
00:36:17.679 --> 00:36:21.360
but come back to us, Dave, come back to us.

638
00:36:21.639 --> 00:36:24.239
No, I'm going with you with the witches are definitely

639
00:36:24.280 --> 00:36:26.719
much more nightmare of fuel, but the fact that they look.

640
00:36:26.639 --> 00:36:28.239
Like the Texas chainsaw centerfolds.

641
00:36:31.159 --> 00:36:32.519
We have a lot of fun and we hope you

642
00:36:32.559 --> 00:36:35.519
will give us a listen. Thanks, and remember, when it

643
00:36:35.519 --> 00:36:38.440
comes to watching movies and listening to music, physical media

644
00:36:38.599 --> 00:36:39.480
is better than dreaming.

645
00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:47.480
All right, we are back, Brad. Tell me a little

646
00:36:47.480 --> 00:36:48.559
bit about Ryan Johnson.

647
00:36:49.000 --> 00:36:54.519
Well, Ryan Johnson was. He grew up in San Clemente, California, which,

648
00:36:54.639 --> 00:36:57.320
as we talked about earlier, is where he shot. You know.

649
00:36:57.880 --> 00:37:03.119
Brick graduated from you I See Cinema Arts in film school.

650
00:37:04.159 --> 00:37:06.599
Started off with a short I love I have to

651
00:37:06.599 --> 00:37:08.320
say I do love the name of one of his

652
00:37:08.360 --> 00:37:11.119
first shorts. I don't know if you've heard this name,

653
00:37:11.519 --> 00:37:15.280
Evil Demon golf Ball from Hell. He made this as

654
00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:20.039
a short in nineteen ninety seven. As far as what

655
00:37:20.280 --> 00:37:26.119
I know, he is a critics dream. Critics love Ryan Johnson.

656
00:37:26.320 --> 00:37:30.400
So he is a big force to be dealing with.

657
00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:32.960
I mean, we talked about, I think a couple of

658
00:37:33.119 --> 00:37:36.519
weeks ago, directors that can release films on based on

659
00:37:36.679 --> 00:37:40.519
their names themselves. Ryan Johnson is one of those directors.

660
00:37:41.079 --> 00:37:42.880
You know, you know a lot of people love him.

661
00:37:42.920 --> 00:37:46.119
You know, he is definitely a hater love kind of guy,

662
00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:49.079
and that's that I guess is rare. But you know,

663
00:37:49.400 --> 00:37:52.760
he's made his mark with you know, a few films,

664
00:37:53.119 --> 00:37:58.039
obviously Brick being the first one. Now his second film,

665
00:37:58.079 --> 00:38:00.159
The Brothers Bloom. Did you ever see that one? I

666
00:38:00.159 --> 00:38:01.199
never saw that one.

667
00:38:01.960 --> 00:38:05.920
I didn't see it. This is one two thousand and eight.

668
00:38:06.159 --> 00:38:09.960
It kind of came and went really quickly. So listen

669
00:38:10.039 --> 00:38:14.519
to this. Listen to this quick synopsis. Brad a pair

670
00:38:14.559 --> 00:38:17.639
of brothers, the Blooms, are probably the best common in

671
00:38:17.679 --> 00:38:20.480
the world. Before they get out, they decide to do

672
00:38:20.519 --> 00:38:24.360
one last hustle to whine and dine in eccentric Harris

673
00:38:24.639 --> 00:38:27.360
with the time of her life with a romantic adventure

674
00:38:27.400 --> 00:38:30.599
around the world. I don't know about you, but that

675
00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:36.320
sounds dangerously close to nineteen eighty six's Under the Cherry Moon,

676
00:38:36.519 --> 00:38:38.519
which was one of the worst movies, which is one

677
00:38:38.559 --> 00:38:42.320
of the worst movies I've ever seen. Maybe that's why

678
00:38:42.360 --> 00:38:47.159
I skipped The Brother's Bloom. Maybe. Yeah, basically it sounds

679
00:38:47.159 --> 00:38:49.599
like a Cherry Moon remake. I'm not touching that with

680
00:38:49.639 --> 00:38:54.719
a ten foot pole man. No way. No, you didn't

681
00:38:54.719 --> 00:38:55.360
see it either.

682
00:38:55.159 --> 00:38:58.519
Then, No, I didn't see it here. I know it's

683
00:38:58.559 --> 00:39:03.440
available on like YouTube tube for free, but you know

684
00:39:03.639 --> 00:39:07.280
it wasn't until I mean what four years after that

685
00:39:08.880 --> 00:39:11.079
we get this film, and you know how I feel

686
00:39:11.079 --> 00:39:16.159
about time travel movies. You get Looperoper, Yeah, twenty twelve,

687
00:39:17.199 --> 00:39:19.320
a film I wasn't a big fan of the first

688
00:39:19.360 --> 00:39:23.000
time I saw it. But as I was telling you,

689
00:39:23.039 --> 00:39:26.440
second Chance November has turned into second Chance Sunday here

690
00:39:26.480 --> 00:39:29.400
at my house, and Looper was one of those films

691
00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:31.960
and I and I can say that I did enjoy

692
00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:36.360
it a lot more the second time around. It's a

693
00:39:36.559 --> 00:39:43.920
very it's a very dark time travel film, but it it.

694
00:39:43.920 --> 00:39:46.159
It still worked. It does work very well. And I

695
00:39:46.159 --> 00:39:51.639
think my opinion Looper is like, I mean that that's

696
00:39:51.639 --> 00:39:55.039
one of his best films in my opinion. What did

697
00:39:55.039 --> 00:39:57.000
you think of Looper? Looper?

698
00:39:57.159 --> 00:40:00.320
I absolutely loved the first time I saw it. Uh

699
00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:03.400
again this. I think that's the second Joseph Gordon Levitt

700
00:40:03.440 --> 00:40:06.599
movie that Ryan Johnson does, the idea that they can

701
00:40:06.719 --> 00:40:10.400
make Joseph Gordon Levitt with minimal makeup that can make

702
00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:14.760
him a young Bruce Willis. I love it and it works.

703
00:40:16.159 --> 00:40:18.920
It's it's sci fi in that uh kind of like

704
00:40:18.960 --> 00:40:22.039
in that Philip K. Dick, Yeah, world of fi. It's

705
00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:24.239
not it's not that it's a Philip K. Dick book.

706
00:40:24.480 --> 00:40:27.519
I believe it's it's an original uh story from him.

707
00:40:27.559 --> 00:40:30.320
Yeah. Yeah, it feels like it should be.

708
00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:32.559
From a novel, doesn't it?

709
00:40:32.559 --> 00:40:36.880
It does, but uh, it was it was actually Ryan

710
00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:40.360
Johnson who wrote that. So you know, I mean, he's

711
00:40:40.360 --> 00:40:42.599
making a name for himself as like writer director, and

712
00:40:42.599 --> 00:40:45.480
he's he's working with amazing people because you know, I know,

713
00:40:45.679 --> 00:40:48.519
uh in Looper, you know, yeah, he's got Bruce Willis,

714
00:40:48.559 --> 00:40:52.599
but he's also got Emily Blunt Daniels, Jeff Daniels. I

715
00:40:52.599 --> 00:40:53.840
remember Paul Dana was in that.

716
00:40:54.280 --> 00:40:58.519
Yeah, this is where you start to get big name

717
00:40:58.599 --> 00:41:02.320
actors being attached to Ryan Johnson films more than like

718
00:41:02.760 --> 00:41:06.480
three or four, like five to six Looper.

719
00:41:06.599 --> 00:41:09.960
I feel like Looper easily could have been the film

720
00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:12.320
that we talk about for Ryan Johnson because there's not

721
00:41:12.360 --> 00:41:13.599
a big audience for it still.

722
00:41:14.519 --> 00:41:18.840
Well, there there was, because it was from that where

723
00:41:18.880 --> 00:41:24.559
he was basically given that that lucrative Star Wars position.

724
00:41:25.639 --> 00:41:28.400
I think in the Hollywood yeah, yeah, but in the

725
00:41:28.400 --> 00:41:31.800
Hollywood circles he got his recognition. But I'm talking about

726
00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:36.440
from from a fan standpoint, from from from an audience, Like,

727
00:41:36.480 --> 00:41:38.679
I don't like Looper. When it came out, it didn't.

728
00:41:39.239 --> 00:41:41.320
It was it was banking on the Bruce Willis name.

729
00:41:41.360 --> 00:41:44.079
It wasn't banking on the Ryan Johnson name, right, definitely

730
00:41:44.079 --> 00:41:47.960
wasn't banking on the Joseph Gordon Levitt name. And I

731
00:41:47.960 --> 00:41:52.320
don't remember it being a big film.

732
00:41:52.480 --> 00:41:56.119
It was. It was a critical success. You know a

733
00:41:56.159 --> 00:41:58.000
lot of critics and you know a lot of people

734
00:41:58.079 --> 00:42:01.280
that saw it. It was different at the time when

735
00:42:01.320 --> 00:42:06.039
we needed something a little bit different. It wasn't very

736
00:42:06.079 --> 00:42:10.039
happy film. It's another dark dystopian look at the of

737
00:42:10.199 --> 00:42:11.480
what we do in our future.

738
00:42:12.119 --> 00:42:13.960
Yeah, but you know, he does it.

739
00:42:14.440 --> 00:42:17.280
I think this is actually one of the best Polish films.

740
00:42:17.320 --> 00:42:20.960
The makeup. You know, he kind of made his own

741
00:42:21.000 --> 00:42:24.360
world with Luprin. I definitely praise him for that.

742
00:42:24.960 --> 00:42:27.599
Yeah, I mean, yeah, and again I love it. I

743
00:42:27.639 --> 00:42:29.440
just wish more people would have loved it, you know.

744
00:42:29.519 --> 00:42:32.360
I know, I think he shot that for like around

745
00:42:32.360 --> 00:42:35.320
thirty million. It made about sixty five sixty six, so

746
00:42:36.119 --> 00:42:40.280
you know it, you could say it maybe broke even Yeah.

747
00:42:40.840 --> 00:42:42.920
But yeah, after that, you know, he directs a couple

748
00:42:43.119 --> 00:42:44.840
episodes of Breaking Bad.

749
00:42:45.280 --> 00:42:50.000
Now you you just told me recently you've gone back

750
00:42:50.119 --> 00:42:52.880
to the Breaking Bad world. You're watching it for like,

751
00:42:53.000 --> 00:42:55.800
what the third time the series, So I think.

752
00:42:55.639 --> 00:42:58.320
This might be my third time, is my wife's second time.

753
00:42:58.360 --> 00:43:01.119
We're in season two and I've been looking at the

754
00:43:01.159 --> 00:43:03.880
directing credits. I don't think we're up to his episodes yet,

755
00:43:04.039 --> 00:43:08.119
but I but I've definitely been looking at about I mean,

756
00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:12.800
we talked enough about the Last Jedi, Yeah, you know

757
00:43:12.920 --> 00:43:14.679
on Docking based seventy seven.

758
00:43:15.079 --> 00:43:18.400
Yeah, I'll tell you what hat it movie if if

759
00:43:18.440 --> 00:43:21.800
you want to hear Brad and I really are our

760
00:43:21.800 --> 00:43:24.480
real feelings. If you want to hear us get passionate

761
00:43:24.480 --> 00:43:27.960
about the Last Jedi. Definitely check out Docking based seventy seven,

762
00:43:28.199 --> 00:43:32.280
the Star Wars episode that we did a while back,

763
00:43:32.480 --> 00:43:34.840
which which was a blast. I loved. I loved talking

764
00:43:34.840 --> 00:43:39.119
Star Wars with those guys, Brad, but poor Dayton was

765
00:43:39.119 --> 00:43:41.159
clearly outgunned that night.

766
00:43:41.239 --> 00:43:42.239
Yeah, he was. Definitely.

767
00:43:42.559 --> 00:43:44.199
When we talked about last year, he's he's a fan.

768
00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:45.960
He is a fan of Like I said.

769
00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:48.519
It's a love it or hate it. But also too,

770
00:43:48.920 --> 00:43:52.360
it did not I mean, it didn't dissuade him any

771
00:43:52.360 --> 00:43:54.480
other way because two years later he comes out with

772
00:43:54.599 --> 00:43:55.159
Knives Out.

773
00:43:56.280 --> 00:43:58.360
Well, yeah, and see, and this was this has been

774
00:43:58.400 --> 00:44:01.800
my argument because I can not that I want to

775
00:44:01.840 --> 00:44:04.559
jump into this argument again or this debate again. But yeah,

776
00:44:04.599 --> 00:44:06.159
I am not a fan of The Last Jed. I

777
00:44:06.199 --> 00:44:09.679
think it's one of the worst Star Wars films ever made. However,

778
00:44:11.239 --> 00:44:16.400
Ryan Johnson is an amazing director. I've loved I loved Brick,

779
00:44:16.519 --> 00:44:22.320
I've loved Looper and Knives Out. In twenty nineteen, Brett,

780
00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:24.800
if you recall I said Knives Out that I called

781
00:44:24.800 --> 00:44:27.480
that as the best film of twenty nineteen. And I

782
00:44:27.519 --> 00:44:29.320
still feel that way. You know, I went back. I

783
00:44:29.320 --> 00:44:31.320
saw some stuff that that I had missed.

784
00:44:31.639 --> 00:44:34.239
But this is the film I need to see again.

785
00:44:34.800 --> 00:44:38.519
I definitely need to rewatch it before I see Glass Onion.

786
00:44:39.440 --> 00:44:42.000
What's that time? If you're watching Onion today, man, you

787
00:44:42.039 --> 00:44:43.679
better you better hope.

788
00:44:43.480 --> 00:44:47.880
That they're on Netflix. They're not going anywhere. But it

789
00:44:48.000 --> 00:44:54.559
did show that he was not going to sit back contemplate.

790
00:44:54.719 --> 00:44:57.719
You know, some people hate me, some people love me.

791
00:44:58.440 --> 00:45:00.599
They don't like my vision, did I you know?

792
00:45:01.480 --> 00:45:04.679
Well, you you said just a little bit ago, you

793
00:45:04.679 --> 00:45:07.880
said Looper might be his best film, putting Looper up

794
00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:10.119
against Knives Out? Are you you still feel that way?

795
00:45:10.199 --> 00:45:13.480
Or I still feel that way? But I mean I

796
00:45:13.559 --> 00:45:18.719
still prefer Looper, but Knives Out was still I didn't

797
00:45:18.719 --> 00:45:20.559
think it was best move in twenty and eighteen, but

798
00:45:20.599 --> 00:45:23.119
it was. It showed that it was like, Okay, this

799
00:45:23.199 --> 00:45:25.719
guy isn't He's not down, He's not gonna quit.

800
00:45:26.960 --> 00:45:30.480
Well, he certainly isn't gonna quit. What's up next for him?

801
00:45:30.519 --> 00:45:34.440
We know he's got another sequel, another Knives Out sequel

802
00:45:34.840 --> 00:45:38.239
that he's under contract with Netflix for. There is still

803
00:45:38.440 --> 00:45:43.280
the conversation about his his Star Wars trilogy that's gonna

804
00:45:43.280 --> 00:45:46.800
be a separate you know, outside the Skywalker saga that's

805
00:45:46.840 --> 00:45:50.480
still in development. It's not you know, he's gonna get

806
00:45:50.519 --> 00:45:52.920
to it when he gets to it, and you know,

807
00:45:53.119 --> 00:45:55.039
say what you will? You know, like again, I'm in

808
00:45:55.079 --> 00:45:57.360
the I'm in the anti Last Shoed. I can't, but

809
00:45:57.480 --> 00:45:58.760
I would love to see what he could do with

810
00:45:58.800 --> 00:46:01.440
an original Star Wars stories. Yeah, I mean he's got

811
00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:02.519
If he does it, he does it.

812
00:46:02.800 --> 00:46:05.719
And he's got a television series that he's working on.

813
00:46:05.800 --> 00:46:08.920
It's in production right now called poker Face. Wait, what's

814
00:46:08.960 --> 00:46:13.880
that about, Natasha Leone? I mean it's it's not very

815
00:46:13.960 --> 00:46:15.000
much about it right now.

816
00:46:15.840 --> 00:46:19.440
Okay, you know, but uh it's supposed.

817
00:46:19.119 --> 00:46:22.119
To be coming out in January of next year. And

818
00:46:22.280 --> 00:46:25.199
Ryan Johnson will, I believe, direct some of those episodes.

819
00:46:26.039 --> 00:46:29.960
So that's we're just the when what would.

820
00:46:29.719 --> 00:46:32.760
You want to see from Ryan Johnson?

821
00:46:33.719 --> 00:46:37.719
Me personally, I think he is doing his best work

822
00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:42.480
when he's in the Mystery Will House. So not to

823
00:46:42.480 --> 00:46:44.480
say that I want to see him just keep churning

824
00:46:44.480 --> 00:46:45.360
out knives out movies.

825
00:46:45.400 --> 00:46:45.559
I know.

826
00:46:45.639 --> 00:46:49.280
Daniel Craig has said he'll play the character as long

827
00:46:49.360 --> 00:46:52.920
as Ryan Johnson will let him. Uh. Ok, But I

828
00:46:52.960 --> 00:46:55.840
want to see more something. I want to see more

829
00:46:55.840 --> 00:46:59.719
original work, like like like Brick, you know, and uh

830
00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:01.559
and what he can do with another mystery film. How

831
00:47:01.559 --> 00:47:03.039
about you? What would you want to see?

832
00:47:04.519 --> 00:47:08.400
I mean, I really liked what he did with Looper.

833
00:47:08.599 --> 00:47:10.960
I would like I think there's some more sci fi

834
00:47:11.039 --> 00:47:13.719
elements to him that I that I'd like to see.

835
00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:17.440
I hope that Star Wars didn't turn him off of

836
00:47:17.480 --> 00:47:20.719
that to work in a sci fi world that's not

837
00:47:20.960 --> 00:47:24.639
Star Wars. I would like him to go maybe back

838
00:47:24.679 --> 00:47:29.039
to something a little more smaller. But like I said,

839
00:47:29.239 --> 00:47:33.760
I've not given up on Ryan Johnson. I just not

840
00:47:33.920 --> 00:47:38.639
the biggest fan. As you know, he's still a young guy.

841
00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:42.239
You know. It's like there's gonna be a lot more

842
00:47:42.239 --> 00:47:45.400
to it, you know, He's I don't think he's become

843
00:47:45.719 --> 00:47:50.519
his own yet. And I think maybe after you know,

844
00:47:50.639 --> 00:47:54.840
glass Onion see how it is, you know, and I'd

845
00:47:54.920 --> 00:47:57.679
like to see something. But yeah, maybe go back to

846
00:47:57.719 --> 00:47:59.599
the sci fi world, because like I said, I really

847
00:47:59.719 --> 00:48:03.039
enjoy Looper and I'd like to see where we could

848
00:48:03.079 --> 00:48:03.440
go with that.

849
00:48:04.599 --> 00:48:08.639
Well, if you want to check out his directorial debut, Brick.

850
00:48:09.239 --> 00:48:12.360
It is currently streaming. You can find it pretty much

851
00:48:12.360 --> 00:48:17.760
on Amazon, Google, YouTube, red Box. I saw it on Prime.

852
00:48:18.000 --> 00:48:19.119
That's where you saw it, right, Brad.

853
00:48:19.320 --> 00:48:21.599
I did. And here's the thing. It was playing on

854
00:48:21.679 --> 00:48:25.719
like stars for free, right up until the day before

855
00:48:25.719 --> 00:48:26.320
I watched it.

856
00:48:27.599 --> 00:48:30.559
Well, Brad, that is going to do it for us

857
00:48:30.599 --> 00:48:34.559
for the year. You We'll be back one last time

858
00:48:34.599 --> 00:48:39.840
though we still have one more film from nineteen six

859
00:48:39.880 --> 00:48:43.559
to discuss. Oh yeah, well, you and me will get

860
00:48:43.599 --> 00:48:48.239
the gang together to talk about stand by Me on

861
00:48:48.519 --> 00:48:52.119
this Tuesday, and then we've got all kinds of good

862
00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:54.880
stuff heading your way in twenty twenty three.

863
00:48:55.280 --> 00:48:56.440
Another year wrapped.

864
00:48:57.719 --> 00:49:00.719
Absolutely till next time.