Phasers Set To Stun: Starfleet Academy S1.E5 Series Acclimation Mil

0:01 Space the Final Frontier. Join us for a bold conversation our prime directive to recap our favorite Star Trek shows, both new and old, to engage and debate about all things Trek. Prepare to energize with Phasers Set to Stunt. Hello, listeners, and welcome back to a new episode of Phasers Set to Stunt, where we continue to show our love for everything Star Trek in this ongoing series from a film by podcast which focuses on every system of the expanding Star Trek universe by covering television, movies, animation, directors, merchandise, and much much more. Plotting your course on this voyage is your Core Trek crew. I'm Wayne Whited, and I'm Skoy Hoffmann, and now I'm David Burns, and today we're discussing an all new episode of Star Trek. Starfleet Academy Episode five titles series Acclamation Mill was written by Kirsten Bayer and Tonny Newsom and directed by Larry Teng. So from this point forward, it's red alert, folks, there are spoilers ahead. If you haven't seen this episode, please stop and beam yourself to the nearest view screen to catch

1:32 it on Paramount Plus. Then come back and rejoin us for this discussion. Hey David, why don't you give us the short summary of the episode? I think I might series. Acclamation Mill, better known as Sam, continues her mission around the Academy, having been sent by her makers to gain a deeper understanding organics so they can better learn how to interact with them. Under increasing pressure to meet their domaining expectations, Sam stumbled upon the legacy of a famed in its theory from me years past, Benjamin Cisco, as an emissary herself. Sam feels an immediate connection to Cisco and becomes driven to understand who he truly was, where he disappeared to and whether he should be considered a god.

2:12 She embarks on this deeply personal journey alongside her close friends, which leads her to a virtual visit to the Benjamin Cisco Museum filled with touching easter eggs longtime fans will instantly recognize. Along the way, Sam uncovers more pieces of Cisco's story, including an inner encounter with Jake, Cisco's immage delivering a speech, and a professor with profound personal lot. Ties to Benjamin himself. Ultimately, this episode stands as a true love letter to Deep Space nine and to the incredible impact Benjamin Cisco had not only on Starfleet and the crew of DS nine, but on all of Beijor. Let me start off by first making the comment that I'm glad that we did our review of Deep Space nine just before we started Starfleet Academy because of society.

3:00 We had no idea this was coming. But that was great timing in our part. It was almost that we knew, right, it was almost that we knew this was happening, but we didn't. I problems if it weren't perfect. Well, when Tony called us and said, you know, this is what's going on, I wanted you to know right after Sarak. Yeah, And in fact, one of the episodes we dove into is uh you know the doctor kind of minched it in this episode. Was like, yeah, okay, Yeah. There were quite a few of them that we put in our top tens for those seasons that are referenced in this episode. So it's good. Yeah, I mean, we we all we all love Deep Space sign it was. It was a great series, and I'm glad to see that it's getting all this recognition, and I know there's a lot to talk about on this episode. So I'll let you guys tell me what you thought.

3:43 Yeah, this was to me when I'm glad that you said what you said, because this was the day the President that arrives on your porch on Christmas, the day after Christmas Day, because I think we were talking about last week's episode being a love letter to DS nine. Yep, the whole week last week. I was like, where's it going to be? Where's where's the stuff? And it didn't arrive and I'm like, Okay, that's disappointing. And then when this. One arrives and it's like, oh my god, I got a bike for Christmas. So yeah, I thought it was a great episode. I tell you, I did not know Tawny was involved with this at all. I didn't either, and I love that. So when her name popped up and I'm like, oh cool, Tony wrote to help write this. And then I realized when I did some research and really she has a deep love of Deep Deep Space nine. And then as I was watching episode, was like, wait a minute, wait a minute.

4:30 Is that Tawny? Holy crap it is. Yeah. I was looking through the makeup like I knew nothing about this episode, so from here, no expectations, and then I could kind of see some glimmers of Tawny through the makeup, like mannerisms and her eyes and whatnot. And as there was more confirmation, It's like my love for this episode just grew with every thing that I uncovered. Yeah, I didn't know who she was, of course, none of us did until she revealed it. And I'm like, oh, oh, man, I didn't see that coming. What that was. That was like Aalin Samalin reveal right there, Like. Of all the of all the people, uh, to be able to get that kind of role, it made me so happy. It's like it's like seeing something great happening for a friend of yours that's in the business, right because we know we've talked about how much love she has for it, how much deep knowledge she has of the lore. I kind of see her as a as kind of the next generation of Jonathan Frake's use one person.

5:41 You know, there's clearly, you know, others that keep the franchise alive, but I feel like Freak's is and has done so much for it, and it seems like Tawny is ready to grab the mantle. So for for a character like Dax then to be her, and I saw in an interview that that was kind of a surprise to her, like they had written the character and allso the kind of stuff, and they said, you know what, we think you should be this character. And it was like, oh, that's fantastic. But it's a character that represents both the past and the future of the franchise. So I love that that's talking. Yeah. Yeah, and they had to put her in pretty heavy makeup too. I was actually rather impressed, you know, as a she's a Kardaskian, I mean, and a trail but I love the reveal. But they had to because I mean, we've seen her already, both in animation and live action.

6:29 I'm glad that that not only did she write the episode, and I hope she writes more because you know, this, this was a really good episode. I'm not sure exactly how much she wrote and how much to Kirsten Bayer wrote, who I'm familiar with her because she was one of the main writers on the Star Trek Con podcast series, which I listened to and we haven't we haven't really reviewed that, but that was a fantastic series. So but they're both they both did a good job, and I hope she has more involvement in Starfleet Academy, and I actually hope her character returns. I'd love to see the character again. I agree. Another thing that I love that they're doing, because so last week we had the CBS Studios production with Kling on this one is she stretches it all out a story about me, which I thought was fantastic but I like and typically I don't like the breaking down to the fourth wall, but it worked in this.

7:23 It really did for Sam. I loved everything, how involved she was, and we all knew this was gonna be an episode about Sam. We all knew that was coming. But even though we knew that was coming, it still was quite the experience. Would you guys agree with that? Oh? Yeah, it was adorable and disarming. Like when I first saw that being like written over the credit, I was like, all right, this sets the tone for what this episode is going to be. Yep, it's gonna be fun. I had no idea what else would be happening within it, so it was just it was just an extra, you know, layer of goodness. I just never expected to go into this depth of Deep Space nine and the mythology that happened after this series.

8:06 I really never expected this series to tackle that in such you know depth that they did, and the fact that they brought back Circlofton, I mean that blew my mind. Yeah, I really do we ever think we'd ever see those any of those characters. No, I think we even mentioned that, like the Deep Space nine has not gotten a lot of love over the years, then we never understood why the characters have never returned for anything, and it's almost been kind of like an afterthought, Okay, whatever, we're not going to revisit that. So I mean this was well needed for Deep Space nine. Yes, yes, yes, way overdue. Yeah, And I think it's it's a great It's a great testament to the fact that if if you are new to this, they're still kind of on the fence about it. If you have a connection to DS nine, if you've listened to what we've been talking about, this is a great way into this franchise, uh to the Starfleet Academy. But it's also an acknowledgment of how seriously they're taking this. Like it's more light hearted. There's you know, cursing in it that we don't usually see. So certain people might be like, well, I don't know if it's you know, the Trek. For me, it's still got that core trek heart to it, especially when you start to discover the you know, the the steps they took to get this right to talk with Sarrock Lofton and get his kind of permission, get his buy in, and getting that kind of access to Avery Brooks.

9:40 Yeah, yep. Which I will say the best scene in this entire episode was between Jake and Sam when they were when they were talking to one another and Sam with crying, that was the best scene of the entire episode. Absolutely, it broke it broke my heart. I mean, Sam is this hologram and you know, you almost feel like, you know, she doesn't have emotions or anything, but yes she does. And feeling that for her what she went through was just magical. Even even you know, to go back to the elements of Harry Potter again, when she opens up the book and all the words start coming up into the air and it just was so well done. And even when she go back to play the therem in and then the notes started coming along coming out of the therem and it's just those two things were just phenomenal to me.

10:29 They really were. It was so different from anything that that Star Trek has ever done. But I loved what they did. I loved how different it was. And you know, this wasn't just a you know, fanboy thing for for Star Trek d Space nine. The episode really didn't have meaning. I mean, we needed this episode for the character of Sam. She evolves, she she advances so much in this episode yep that you know, it's it's great how it's just how they wrote it is so well done for both the character and for the mythology of Space nine. I'm really impressed with them. Kudos to it to the writers. The direction of this, Like Dave, to your point, it's almost like it's a live action animated show yep. Like there's so many creative nuances here that we don't typically see you'd probably typically see in like an animated movie.

11:22 That's just used so well. I love the fact that the makers the way they connect with Sam, that she's reporting to them like work reporting to orson. I'm glad you said that because I got that same feel. Oh god, that was so nice and uh she would tell. Yeah, he's the voice of them, yep. Being though I didn't realize that until recently. Yeah, Oh that's so cool. You know, we've we've talked about and again we're gonna go. Back a little bit to people complaining about things because you kind of touched a little bit on that. Scott. One thing you really need to consider when you're watching this is we are looking through the eyes of these college kids. That is who we are experiencing this through.

12:09 And the fact they were able to do that through the eyes of Sam and what we know the history of d Space now we know the history of Cisco, Benjamin and Jake and all of that. So getting to experience all of that through Sam, that is what this whole series is about, experiencing this world through the eyes of these college kids who have no inkling about the history that's involved with what happened years and years ago with Star Trek, Right, they don't know, so. We're getting to experience all that through them. So I think that is an amazing way an angle that they've taken to make this show so fresh but still keeping it alive for people who have grown up with Star Trek.

12:52 Yeah, I mean, because otherwise it would just be fan service yep, right, if it was always kind of retreading it. That's one of the great benefits of being in the time period were in everything is discovery. Everything is new, as in like a brand new thing to uncover. Even familiar species we don't necessarily know what's happening with them, we get to kind of uncover it. So it definitely infuses a lot more mystery back into the franchise. And this episode is another example of how great it is that they're trying to make that, as I guess, accessible to a lot of audiences, Like there's this will appeal to an audience that maybe the previous episode didn't or other series may have not. It gives a lot of ways in it's a very important time for Star Trek.

13:40 I think, yeah, and that was really necessary because there are a lot of fans, especially old time fans, that are kind of rejecting this series because it looks so different. You know, they're they're saying, oh, this isn't the prime Star Trek universe, this is some alternate universe. You kind of can't deny that it's not this. This is the regular Star Trek universe. I mean, this episode has has washed any doubts away. You just can't and they shouldn't. You know. The thing is is a lot of these older fans are having trouble embracing the new Star Trek, not just Starfleet Academy, but Discovery the Car at all those shows. It's it's sad because they're missing so much and missing all the joy, the magic, the ononder, all this this new that everything that that's being brought to us through the new Star Trek, which we love in World timers.

14:28 We all Star Trek fans, you know. And we love it. Just embrace it, yep, exactly, both said wing. Just embrace it, enjoy it. Sit back. At least we're getting Star. Trek, right yeah, and good Star. Trek and good Star Trek exactly. Great. I mean, this reminds me of a strange New World's episode. I forget the name of it, and I'll probably mash a lot of this up, but the episode where they had to kind of convince that new species to join the Federation and they eventually kind of flew their flag. Oh yeah right, yes, yeah right. It feels like this is kind of going for that. This is the makers trying to what is it cask is the world? Yeah, that's.

15:09 Trying to understand whether or evaluate whether or not they want to be part of of Starfleet. And yeah, with the older fans that you know, want to hold on to the star Trek that they love, it's fine to hold to that, but it's like your your your star Trek then only lives in a finite place. It's in a bottle, right exactly, right, yep right. Just knowing that there's a way for it to live on should make any Trek fan happy. Yep. Yeah. You know. Another one of the things I love to see growing is the friendship between cal Rick and Nala. I love the relationship with each other. I I do the. Whole dinner ceremony scene that they did that was hysterical, absolutely was, and how like kel Ric is just all like this, you know, prim and proper, and you know, and then when he blew up to Nala, which was like, dude, what a jerky war But she just took that in stride.

16:07 You know when she rank got even in the elevator and just basically confronted about but didn't like confront me like she was angry and everything like that. She just basically wanted to get to the bottom, like, dude, chill out. Man, this is what's going on, you know. But I love where. They're going with those two characters because Nala's just just laid back, relaxed chancellor and then Kelrik is like this uptight chancellor for the war Academy. I love this the two angles that they got going here, and they're just I think they're finally starting to see eye to eye a little bit, which I love that. It's cool. Yeah, and I like how that was written kind of very traditional Star Trek with was an A storyline and a B storyline, but it was neat that the kids all had their own storyline and the old time starfleet, that people all had their own own timeline, and they were both our own story and they were all fantastic.

16:53 They were all funny, great well written. Yeah, absolutely it was. It was a great kind of it that I didn't realize was a trope in Star Trek where there's that kind of we have to kind of be diplomatic and using the adhering to these traditions that we think are ridiculous, like the bullhorn mugs, right, whatever, those things. It almost seemed like it was a semi improv kind of thing. It was like, yeah, they don't have to play an instrument, you know, And it's great seeing kind of that dynamic. I think it was also a great use of the Doctor and jet Reno Yes to kind of give their perspective on it and just play along and sometimes lean way into it. It was a great touch.

17:37 When the doctor picked up to use it, she grabbed. He goes, no, yeah, right, yeah, yeah, yeah no, it's not happening too funny. Yeah. All right. Now that we've given our opinion on that episode and it was a good one, let's take a look at the characters themselves. Which character you think shines the most this week? Scott to me, it's Sam. I might want to say Jake, because he absolutely does. I just want to take a second to thank Sir Rocklofton for being a part of this every single little Like if we had just seen him in the museum, I would have been happy, but to see where he eventually went, I was overjoyed. I could say the same thing about Professor Dax. But Sam really comes into her own in this episode. She takes it from the beginning, takes it all the way to the end, takes us on this journey of like this is gonna be fun too. This is gonna make you you know, it had me on the ViRGE of tears with joy, and I just loved seeing that. Carrie s Brooks did an amazing job here, David.

18:45 Yeah, no, I'm gonna. I'm gonna read Carise's books. Is a standout in this for sure as Sam. Her childlike innocence and the mission given to her unmakers to understand and organics are portrayed remarkable with Warmthinson's you know, she moved through the campus with boundless energy, bringing every scene to life. Sam's insatiable curiosity and the deep attachment she formed with Fifth Guild as a fellow emissary truly shines throughout the episode the whole. You know, we talked about the one scene with her and Jake when she opens up the book. You know, it just it's so heartfelt right there, it really is. You can just. See her internal struggle just laid out for all of us to see and witness with those tears that are falling from her eyes.

19:32 It's just an incredible performance on her part. And I mean, yeah, I couldn't pick anybody else, There's no way. Yeah, I mean, of course I'm agreeing it's it's Sam. I mean, this is her episode. We knew it was going to be, I mean obviously from the title of the episode. But yeah, Carrie's Brooks. She's fantastic, remarkable job in this episode. Over the last four episodes, I was really sure about where her character's going or what they plan on doing with her, only because I I felt that they really hadn't given her a very much to do. But she's got a lot to do here, and she's grown on me. Yeah, and I can really, I can really see the potential that that character now has with this series. There's a lot of potential there. Plus, you know, I'm very curious about her background and her race, specifically that the Overlords is.

20:19 Giving her orders. I want to know more about what's going on there, about the situation, the plans. That's I can see a lot coming up in the next couple. Of years of the show with that, you know, there there's a there's a couple of lines that Jake provides that just truly hit home when they're talking when he's talking to Sam and they're talking about Benjamin, and he looks and says, you know, all the things that you think he missed he didn't. He was always there. He never really left us, and he says, I can't prove it, but I know it's true that dude. That hit home. No, my god, Yeah, as someone who has lost both parents, absolutely as a father, that hit deep. And it feels like it's not just we're going to give you a basket of Easter eggs. That's a little bit of a love letter to DS nine. It's more like, we're going to give you I would say, probably a little bit more satisfaction than closer, which is exactly what it should have.

21:23 You have that still, you know, it's like an inception, like the mystery still stands whether not the top falls right or keeps spinning. It keeps it alive. It never answers the question what happened to Ben Cisco to a certain degree. It keeps that mystery alive, but it gives a satisfaction of knowing that he never had that connection lost with Jake and oh yeah, yeah, just have me in stitches. Absolutely. Well, I'm glad you brought that up to David because that was very important. It just shows how the writers really care about making sure that they do honor to d space sign into the character of Benjamin Cisco because back in the last season, Avery Brooks didn't want them to say that he never came back. You know, he didn't want that whole you know, black guy abandoning his family thing that was going on, and they added those lines in there specifically to make sure that that didn't happen.

22:20 You know, there's been a lot of talk. I've been reading the reviews of this episode and they've all been very, very positive. But there's a lot of questions as to why Avery Brooks didn't actually come back for this episode, or why he didn't come back for anything else. And the simple reason, I mean, he retired quite a few years ago. He did, you know, he doesn't, you know, other than a very rare convention appearance that he makes every now and then, he doesn't do any acting and I don't think he has any desire to return to acting right now. But according to the producer of this episode, he was very much involved in the making of this episode, was in touch with them and Soracism as well, and you know, giving him the blessing to make the episode. He even gave a curious Brooks a phone call and talk to her about it, which I think is fantastic that you know that, you know, he at least had that little bit of involvement. He basically handed over the reins of his character to her, which I thought was a beautiful gesture in his heart.

23:12 Even his narration at the end that was that was a speech that Avery Brooks gave that they put into this episode, which was so cool. Yeah, wasn't that a recording that he had done? It's kind of a I got the sense it was maybe like a private recording he had done on something he was also reflecting on his own father. Yeah, it was some sort of like poem readings or something he did like twenty years ago or so after the show. Yeah, which just gives it a whole another level of meaning. And knowing that Siak has been in touch with Avery over the years. That's that father son type relationship that goes beyond the written page, right, absolutely right, And just knowing that they were like, we need to take this, we need to treat this with a lot of respect. Just, uh, that's off.

24:02 Yeah, I agreed. If you have any choice to be any character that appeared in this episode, which one would it be? And why, David, why don't you give us ours yours. I'm going to continue with with the Sam here because she is experiencing so much for the very first time, you know, not just learning, but truly feeling it. You know. Along the way, she finds someone she can deeply relate to in Cisco, not only Benjamin, but Jake as well. You know, she dies headfirst into the wealth of knowledge. Sam discovers far more than answers about her subject. You know, she uncovers truth about herself. Who doesn't want to do that to be honest with you. You know, her journey is one of connection, self discovery and understating what it truly means.

24:44 To be more than what she was created to be. And the stance that she makes to her makers just spoke volume. And you know, we've always wanted to make that stance to somebody who has been that overpower being, you know, Ball. Or whatever it is. Yep, We've always. Wanted to be in those shoes to give it back to them. And the fact that Sam made that stance manages I would. Love to have been in that position. Yeah. Well, I think it's fascinating that they created her character as the emissary kind of role because it could have gone another couple of directions. It could have gone into the ODO data type of idea of she's been sent by her species but doesn't understand a lot about it and just trying to find others like her. It could have gone to just kind of the diplomat role, to be like, you know, I'm here on behalf and I'm trying to you know, bridge things. But the emissary seems like it has a whole lot more responsibility for somebody who is one hundred and twenty seven days old something like that. Yeah, and the way that she handles that role is amazing. I think for my choice who I would be, I would actually go with Professor Dax, because I would love to just know what she had kind of gone through being you know, kind of secretive about it or kind of like letting the mystery unravel in a very specific way, to kind of feel what

26:16 that would mean to see, you know, Jake connect with Samer, knowing that that kind of connection was made and knowing that she's kind of bridging one generation to the next. I'd love to be able to fly on the wall. I don't think i'd want to know all the secrets that the Dax notes like, I wouldn't want that to be revealed. I didn't want to know exactly what we were shown in the episode, but just being in that role feels like it would it would be amazing. Wayne. About you? Well, Wayne, before you answered THO, So for Trill, they'll live eight hundred years, So clearly she's like, what a thousand? Now like almost twelve hundred I believed, So Yeah, clearly the oldest show that ever lived.

26:57 Obviously, Yeah, because she was old when she was on Deep Space nine, or at least she was at least a few hundred years old. Yeah, and considering how many close calls that Semiote has been through to say the least exactly, Yeah, knowing that they that they've survived through that is fantastic. I mean, living through the burn for God's sakes like that. Every Yeah, absolutely, What about you, Wayne, I'm curious? Well, yeah, I'm I'm gonna choose Sam as of course I am, because I love her curiosity, her brightness, or her wonder because I think she's the character that I probably most relate to, especially in this series. She when she was. Standing in that room trying to choose which mystery to tackle, you know, had you had the Guardian there, and there were some of the others. They were all interesting, but I probably would have chosen the mystery of Cisco's disappearance as.

27:48 Well, you know. And the way she tackled the mystery was was really well done because she didn't solve it, but she did solve the mystery of herself and took a giant step in her own death study. I really like that, So I have to choose her because I can relate. It's a good choice. And now we get to the favorite part of watching these episodes, where we dive deep into the episode and see if we can't pull out any Easter eggs, and boy, this episode was jammed, ben right, So I'm gonna let you, David and Scott you tell me anything you found. First, and then I'll fill in DAPs. Well, I mean, we've already mentioned quite a few of them, so I'm sure we don't need to go over those again.

28:30 Some of the things that I. Caught when they were showing and the the the city, there was a quarks did you guys catch. I didn't even see. Yeah, I thought that was pretty neat. It's pretty impressive that his franchise is still going on out far into the future. Absolutely, it was amazing. But obviously Jake's book Anthelm, we you know, that was kind of a nice touch. But you know, we mentioned the book that kind of stuff already. How about Caleb eating the with it Jaman just stick deep space jump job yeah, jump John, Yeah, I thought that was kind of cool. Oh look at that. But and there's a lot more of got I'll leave it to you if you have any organ, wing can clean it up, because there is just a ton in this episode.

29:11 The absolute favorite that feels like it can be kind of left up to the audience to figure out, like the history of it, what the meaning of it is something that technically doesn't seem like it should exist, which is the typewriter. Oh yeah, Now it feels like that's, you know, obviously a callback to the alternate, you know, reality that Cisco had kind of lived in. But knowing that his son Jake is a writer, it feels like that could have a lot of different connection into the history. It could be one of Cisco's ancestors typewriters. It could be something that hebe passed down to Jake to continue his writing. I don't know if there's a specific, solid answer.

29:57 I don't know if I want to know what that is. I just love knowing that it has a special place in that museum, knowing all the different kind of meanings that could take Wayne. What about you? Oh well, okay, let's start with the big one. Of course, we had the return of two main characters from Star. Trek Deep Space nine. We got sirih Lofton is Jason, so this is his first appearance. In fact, it's the first live appearance of any character from Deep Space nine to have appear since nineteen ninety nine. And of course the second Stacks you know this time was played by Tony Newsome. But I have to point out when you have to comment that it is the first live appearance, because we've seen a lot of the characters appear on Star Trek lower decks.

30:40 We had Kira Basher, Garrett cork Ram, leda Ade, General Martok. They all appeared over their five seasons, but live action. Here we go. Now a few of those mysteries that I had mentioned that Sam had to choose from other than the A Cisco mystery. There was the origin of the Omonga molecule, which we saw that in Star Trek Voyager. There was the psionic effects of the Great Barrier. That's of course from the original series episode where No Man Has Gone Before the Guardian of Forever. That's from City on the Edge Forever. And then there was the Katras Stones, and of course that's from Star Trek three, the Search for Spock. Now, Jake tells Sam that the prophets told Cisco that if he married Cassidy he would know nothing but sorrow. That's almost a direct quote from the Deep Space nine episode per number from season seven. I think we actually talked about that on our podcast for that Now. At the beginning of the episode, during Sam's monologue, she mentions her homework Cask. But there were a few other worlds that were mentioned and seen on screen, which include Kazon Prime and Herogen Prime. Both of those are from Voyager. There was Feengar from Deep Space nine and Danubilia from Enterprise, although they spelt that one wrong. Well, you know, that's nobody's perfect. But there was also, of course, you know, Earth and or Delta Betaz and Riza Beijor, and need a few others on there. There were a lot of

32:10 the Bajoran things in this episode. You already mentioned one, but there was the when in the Bajor Club where they were touching each other's ears. Yeah, and then of course we got to see the orb again, which looks exactly like it did Inity Space I, and it even went dark, which was kind of ominous and makes me wonder exactly what was going on there, if if even is a real orb. Okay, then we go on and like I said, there's quite a few of them, and I'm leaving a lot of them out. The Doctor mentions that he had never met Benjamin Cisco, but his creator, Lewis Zimmerman, did that happened in Doctor Bashir. I presume, Well, everything in that Cisco museum is an easter. Just just go look at it yourself.

32:52 I'm not gonna bring all those there's a lot. And you mentioned Jake Siska's novel Anslom. That is the same book that Jake talked about in the Deep Space nine episode The Visitor we got. I'll here's something I don't know if you guys notice this or not. You know during that audio clip of Avery Brooks talking at the end that you notice that Cisco's face appears in the clouds. Yes, did you notice that. I noticed that. Yeah, it seems to be on the internet. Seems to be about fifty to fifty in terms of people actually noticing that thing. Yep. And of course you know the end credits. I don't know if you guys stayed and watched the end credits. But they didn't play the theme for Starfleet Academy just played the first Yeah, it was the first season theme with de Space nine.

33:36 Yep. Oh wow, I think that's it. And then finally, this isn't exactly an easter egg. This is something I do want to point out because I feel like they've created the definitive history of what happened after what you'd leave behind. In the fact that Benjamin Cisco's never seen again, there have been various novels and comic books that have told the story of his return, most specifically the recent to Star Trek Defiant comics series from IDW which had Cisco return from the profits on a mission for them to stop this some new evil spreading across the galaxy. But unlike the novels in the media for franchises like Star Wars, Doctor Who, Paramount stance has always been if you don't see it on screen.

34:22 It didn't happen, yep. So you know, they just just remember that, you know, it's not part of the actual continuity. If you read these these novels and comics, just enjoy that them for what they are and don't don't hurt your braining trying to. Squeeze them the universe. It's just it's not worth it. Agreed, Well, I think that's kind of an interesting point that it's kind of connected to Cask and the Makers, the fact that there's at some point in the past Cask and the Makers had been developed I guess by Solids. I'll just take that from the change things that and you know, what has happened with the rest of the characters from DS nine is now something that's kind of peppered in that could be explored in the series that happens before Star for the Academy if they wanted to pursue that, like in Strange New Worlds or another kind of follow up, right, And it feels like it also opens the door to say, like, now we can have continuation stories of DS nine that don't have to get into what happened to Cisco and where is he? We can focus on maybe some of the other characters and kind of bring them into the universe without that being like an over well over arching kind of mystery.

35:35 The ideas out there, Star Trek Legacy, Come on, Paramount, make the damn thing. We all want it. Please. Yeah, we've been preaching on that one for a while and it's and we'll keep preaching. Well, it's not happened, But if it's going to happen, it will probably be announced this year because with the Strange New Worlds wrapping up and we already we see its definitive end coming up to replace with another series. Obviously, the question is what we're all screaming for Legacy. We're hoping that's that's the series they replace it. We know, I'm certain that that's what they're waiting for. Is they're waiting for one series to end before they start the others. So if it is going to be announced, it'll be this year. If it doesn't get announceside doubt if we'll ever see on our fortune anything else you guys like to add This fantastic episode, I know we talked about a lot of it.

36:25 Yeah, one wonderful episode. Yeah halfway through. Are we yes? We are go so fast these ten episode seasons. Well, then I guess that's it for this week's episode of Phaser Sets of Stunts look at the new series Star Trek Starfleet Academy. We'd like to open a channel to our listeners and here just what you thought about the most recent episode and the season in general. Who knows you might even be mentioned by us. Of course, you can email us at a film by Podcast at gmail dot com, find us online at a film by podcast dot com, follow us on Facebook, Instagram, and excent. And if you're looking for more exclusive content or swag, you can join our Patreon and find out what exclusive items are hidden within. And in case you don't know already, a film By and Phaser Set to Sun is now on YouTube. You can find many of our episodes, both old and new, on our channel at a film by Podcast. Also, go to our website which is at a film by podcast dot com and find on the and click on the articles tab at the top of the page and you'll find our Phaser Set to Stun book reviews, which I'm going through each of the Star Trek novels, old and new and telling you which ones to pick and which one should beamed out into space, and thank you again David Anscott for joining me and the listeners for another fascinating discussion.

37:43 Thanks everybody. Thanks. Next episode is titled Come Let's Away, the sixth episode of the season, and we've actually been given a short blurb this time, and it says, during the cadets first training mission on an abandoned ship, then counter a dangerous cineme. Any clues or ideas that you guys have in mind for that. A dangerous enemy? That's all I got. Well, I really have no idea, but that dangerous enemy. What is the character's name from the pilot, Paul Giammanni Braca. Yeah, there we go. I actually think it might. I think it might. He might be making an appearance again, because we did say that we thought he would appear at least one more time other than the finales.

38:29 So yeah, this might be it. That's what that's my thoughts, but who knows. As always, you look forward to returning to the thirty second century and the classrooms of Starfleet Academy, and you'll find us here each week reviewing all the new episodes as a premiere until next episode. Haling frequencies closed.