Nov. 11, 2024

Ridley Scott - Kingdom of Heaven: Director's Cut Roadshow Version

Ridley Scott - Kingdom of Heaven: Director's Cut Roadshow Version
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Season 5

Ridley Scott's theatrical release of Kingdom of Heaven was received poorly by critics and audiences alike. It was his director's cut, released later the same year, that had us all praising the film as one of his best. Jeff is joined by author, podcaster, and professor Van Allen Plexico for a discussion about the extended version of the film, and why it's among Ridley Scott's best work!

For information on Van Allen Plexico's books and podcasts, head to www.plexico.net

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What man is a man who does not make the

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world a better place. Today, we're discussing the director's cut

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road show version of a film by Ridley Scott, his

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underrated two thousand and five historical epic Kingdom of Heaven.

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Hello everyone, I'm Jeff Johnson and this is a film

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by podcast. We have got a special guest with us

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today to discuss this film and perhaps help us gain

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a better understanding of it as well. Van Allen Plexico

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is a noted author, panel and creator of the White

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Rocket podcast network. He also happens to be a professor.

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Van Welcome back to the show.

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Hey, Jeff, thank you so very much. It is a

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privilege and honor to join you, and I'm looking forward

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to talking about my fourth favorite movie of all time.

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Fourth favorite Took It Well. You know what? Can I

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stop you right there? What's Van's top three? You open

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the door, man. We got to hear it.

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Now, I did. There's only ever been two movies in

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my top two, and they switched around briefly in the

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early two thousands, and they've realigned themselves now. Number one

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is Star Wars. That's what it's the Star Wars. The

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original harmonies Harmonies Harmonies D Specialized cut. Number two is

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The Fellowship of the Ring and it briefly took number

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one and then moved back when the Harmonies version came out.

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And then number three is Ready Player one from twenty eighteen.

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That's a fantastic list, absolutely fantastic list. Van As a professor,

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can you share with us what your relationship is with

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Kingdom of Heaven.

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Yeah. I basically try to find any excuse I can

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to show movies that I love to my classes, if

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there's any possible way I can justify it. You know,

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if I could get Star Wars in there somewhere, man,

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we totally would be But you know, but this is

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one I definitely can justify because I teach a course

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on the history of religion, and I show Gandhi in

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the first half of the semester, and while we're doing

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the India segment talking about Hinduism and Buddhism and Sikhism

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and Jainism and all that and have good conversations about it.

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And then in the second half of the semester, when

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we're heading toward the Middle East and doing Judaism and

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Christianity in Islam, this movie is just perfect right, because

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this movie shows the interaction of those religions. And I

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think the most important thing that this movie shows, and

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I like my students being exposed to this idea, is

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that it's not that one religion is completly right and

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all the others are just wrong. It's that human beings

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are right or wrong, and there can be good people

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in every religion and bad people in every religion. I

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think that that's by far the main message of this movie,

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and I enjoy like getting the students to think about

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that and discuss that.

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I cannot agree with you more. That's a that's a

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fascinating way to look at this film. I gotta ask

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when you're when you're teaching this film, when when these

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students get to see this are they seeing the road

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show version or are they seeing the theatrical cut.

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I may have to leave this podcast now because you

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said the theatrical cut.

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Listen, we gotta we got to talk about it, just

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you know, the listener's got to understand, I know, is.

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A blight on humanity because it's it's rotten. Tomato score

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is the one that shows up even on the on

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the director's cut version, which galls me.

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Oh, it's horrible.

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There's there's no way that the director's cut should have

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the theatrical cuts, cinema score or whatever, you know that

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number like wrotten Tomato forty or whatever. That's ridiculous. Nod

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the theatrical cut. I'll put it this way. I was

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This movie came out, I believe in four two thousand

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and five, right, okay, and I was flying either two

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or from Singapore, and it was well, it was available

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on the movies on the back of the seat in

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front of you that you could watch, and so I

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watched it, and because I had seen the ads for it,

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and it was funny. The thing that stuck out to

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me about the ads for it is legalless with hair

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on his chest being a manly night. What the heck

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is that? Right? Yeah, it made no sense to me.

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So I'm like, okay, I'm gonna I'm just out of

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curiosity gonna watch it. And I watched it and it

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was the theatrical version, and I had no It made

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no impact on me. I had no memory of it.

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Later and I was just reading something like years later.

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I was just reading some website and the website said,

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you know, it was talking about director's cuts, and it said,

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of course, the greatest director's cut of all time is

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Kingdom of Heaven, said it improves the movie more than

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any other director's cut that's ever been made. And I'm like, oh, well,

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I need to find out about that. And so I

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got the Blu ray, which was like nine to ninety

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five on Amazon at that point, you know, wow, and

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cause it was that nobody wanted it, and I watched

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it and I was like, this is a masterpiece. This

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is unbelievably good. How do people not know this? And

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so I've just been on this you'll pardon expression here

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for this movie, this crusade, right, yeah, to spread the

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word of burn the negatives of the theatrical cut, burn

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it in a deep dark hole, never mention it again,

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and uh, and only watch the direct And in fact,

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one quick little story, if you don't mind, is when

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I did a White Rocket episode of it a couple

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of years ago. I had told my friend Jared Albrick,

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the yard sale artist, he was going to join Mark

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bisquetting me to do it. And in a separate segment,

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and I'm like, Jared, are you watching it? I texted

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him like, are you watching it? And he's like, yeah,

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I put it on and this and this happened, and

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this happened. And I'm like, well, that doesn't seem right.

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I had told him up and down director's cut yep,

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and he's telling me this. He's like, and I said, Jared,

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how what's the running time on this thing you're watching.

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He's like, I it was like two and a half hours.

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I'm like, ejecked, stop on the board, throw it away.

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He's like, okay, you know, so yeah, I feel very

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strong about that.

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Obviously, this comes out in two thousand and five. I'm

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a huge fan of Ridley Scott's work. I mean, the

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man's a legend. And I go see this at the theater.

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I left. I felt cheated. What did I just see?

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That was a you know, I was let down, you know,

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and I thought, Okay, everyone's got a bad one in them.

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This is Ridley's. But let's talk about the theatrical version

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versus the director's cut road show version. So the assembly

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edit of this film is two hundred and eighty minutes long.

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Ridley cuts it down to one hundred and eighty six minutes,

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and Fox executives order him to deliver a two hour cut.

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They're afraid people won't go to a theater and sit

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there for three hours, which I mean, that's kind of

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the normal now, right, right man?

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We had just had three Lord of the Rings movies

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make a billion dollars each that were three to three

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and a half hours long.

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What idiots, I I I. Yeah, so we get this

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theatrical release, which is a confusing mess that audiences and

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critics weren't happy with, you know, you and I among them. Yes,

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so let's talk about the road show version, because I

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know a lot of our listeners are like, what, what?

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What's a road show version?

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What?

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You know? It's is it a director's cut? Is a

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road show version? This is a director's cut road show version?

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So you know, back in the day both I have,

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you have both? Okay, I have one that's just a

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director's cut.

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It's just mean just longer. The scenes have been restored,

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and then the road show has like an intermission stuff.

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Yeah. So you know road shows would generally mimic like

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a live theater production. These were these were limited engagements.

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You got maybe one or two shows a day at

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the upscale theaters, and uh, you know, they they had

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the overtures They had the intermissions, which which I love,

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I loved, you know, especially when you when you buy

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an older film, like you know, Cecil Beata Mill's The

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Ten Commandments. When you when you get the road show version,

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it's it just feels so much more like an event movie, right, bigger, Yeah, yeah,

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it's bigger, you know. So they were commonly used to

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promote major films from the nineteen twenties to the sixties

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to build this excitement, and it was this this whole

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practice was kind of done away with the blockbusters like once,

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you know, like Psycho Hits, people are lined up around

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the block and all of a sudden, distributors are like,

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we don't need these special events. We can just you know,

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if the movie's good enough, people will come out and droves,

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and you know, the roadshow event gives way to the

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blockbuster frenzy that that's going to take over. But it's

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a shame, man, because I I love, I love this

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this style. You know, screenings would be limited, like I said,

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to one or two a day. You had to reserve

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your seats. These came with like souvenir programs that contained

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photos from the film, biographies about the cast. Every now

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and then you'd have like a little little uh opening

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segment from like the director or the theater manager. It

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was just it was a cool it was a cool

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time to go go to the theaters. And uh, I

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appreciate that that that Ridley gave us an opportunity like this.

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So uh with a runtime of one hundred and ninety

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four minutes, this version is critically praised. It's got nothing

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but positive reviews. Everyone loves this right, yes, no, and

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Ridley Ridley himself claims this is the one that should

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have gone out.

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So oh yeah. Well, and he's notorious for re chopping

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and re chopping his movies to begin with. I mean

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he's done that on almost everything, so you know, I

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wasn't really surprised. It's just that it's it's just unfathomable

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to me that a studio executive or how many of

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her could could think that it would be preferable to

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put out a substandard product that's shorter, when they had

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just had the evidence in front of them a couple

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of years earlier that longer movies will do well if

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they're good.

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It's amazing, it's absolutely amazing.

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Well, I say one other thing about the road show

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version is the thing. You have to understand this. This

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is the key difference. Okay, most director's cuts just add

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in some extra stuff that you don't necessarily need. It's

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like they'll extend a scene. I mean, even the Lord

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of the Rings extended cuts, with the possible exception of

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removing Salamon from the from the Return of the King,

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you can get by with the theatrical and the end

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of Two Towers is kind of confusing. But other than that,

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you know, really the stuff that they added to the

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extended versions of those three it's not super necessary. You

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still get the story and it's and it's not that bad.

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The difference here, what makes this director's cut different from

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all the others is that in the theatrical cut, they

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didn't just shorten scenes or tighten things up whatever. They

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removed entire plot lines and characters that you actually they're

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the ones you care about. Yeah, it's like if it's

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like if Return of the King was just the Battle

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of Mina's Taris and they took everything with Frodo and

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Sam going to Mordora with Gollum out, just took all

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that out and you just had a battle at the castle.

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That's that's basically what this is.

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You. Yeah, you mentioned that this is this is this

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might be the best version of a director's kind of

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a film, and with forty five additional minutes of character

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development and subplot that we desperately needed in your opinion,

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is this the Is this the best version of a

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director's cut of a film?

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Oh? It's I mean, I don't even think of as

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a directors cut. It's a different movie. It's a completely different movie.

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And I mean, I think that the most egregious thing

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is how mind boggling it is when you watch the

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director's cut to realize the theatrical cut doesn't include.

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The little boy. He's completely scrubbed.

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That's like the main thing is that is that he's

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gonna become the king and then has leprosy or whatever.

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I mean that you know that whole because that that

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explains everything Eva Green does, and it explains why Orlando

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Bloom reacts the way he does.

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To Eva Green.

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I mean, it's it's it's all the motivation, right. It

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is funny, though I caught there's one place where putting

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the director's cut material in actually contradicted itself. Is when

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when the when? When? Uh? When Baileyan and Kid. I

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can't think of the character's name, but a lot of

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them characters don't even have a name. This yeah Kid

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from from Rome, Kid got Yeah. When they're having the

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seafood dinner in Italy, Yeah, and and uh Gee first

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comes up and and is being critical. After he walks away,

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Kid says he's going to be king in Jerusalem one day. Well, no,

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in the theatrical cut, he's going to be king in Jerusalem.

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But in the director's cut, they don't know. The little

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boys got leprosy is gonna die. He would have outlived

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Ghee by a long way. So yeah, he was married

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to the to the mother of the of the future king,

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you know what I mean. But that's the only place

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I can see that they didn't really send it down right,

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him for that because that could just be that could

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just be like that guy's interpretation of of how how

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things are gonna line up. So you know, I'm good

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with that. Let's talk about this, Let's talk about this cast.

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And you know, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna give

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you the opportunity. You know, anyone that maybe I don't

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mention you bring them up, because this would be the

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road show version of a film. Buy if we talk

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about everyone I want to talk about. But let's let's

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start with the major players. Let's let's talk Orlando bloom

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As as Baillian.

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Of is it ibiling iblin?

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Iblin? Okay, thank you. So he he's just completing filming

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on two thousand and four Ast Troy when he gets his

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screenplay in his hands, he doesn't want to do it.

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He doesn't want to do yet another historical epic. And

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they're like, well, yeah, but this is Ridley Scott's next picture.

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And he's like, oh, in that case, I'm in. You know,

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he puts on twenty pounds of muscle to look the

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part of a blacksmith turned night, because you got to think,

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like in Troy, where he's playing Paris, he weighs like

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one hundred pounds wet. You know, he looks very, very soft.

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He this is not a night, This is not a blacksmith.

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So tell me about tell me about Lenda Blue, what

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your thoughts on his performance here?

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You know, I wrestle with it because I feel like,

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I mean, he got critical, he got well and put

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how do you want to say it? He was criticized

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to a degree. People said he wasn't really up to

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being the big, macho leading man of a sprawling epic

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with a huge cast like this, And I get that.

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I think that this is a complicated character, right. He's

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kind of one half one half knight, a warrior, leader

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of men, organizer of defenses, wise counselor to king, designer

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of defenses blacksmith, right. But on the other hand, he's

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kind of this sensitive, quiet, emotionally injured guy whose wife

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and child have just died, and so he's got two

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very distinct sides to his character. I think that Orlando

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Bloom is outstanding in the latter, right. He does a

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great job as this young man whose family is dead.

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He's got a horrible half brother, thinks he's act. He's

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got all this stuff going on around him, and he

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just kind of wants to sit there and sulk and

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be miserable. And he doesn't even mind he's in jail, yeah,

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because he's just sitting there thinking about his wife. Right.

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I think Orlando Broom does spectacular there. And I always

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have a hard time people say who would be a

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better person in this role. And I have a hard

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time because I can think of somebody would be better

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on one side, but wouldn't be as good on the other. Right,

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Like if you could if you put if you put

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Gladiator Russell Crowe, you put Russell Crowe in the second

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half of the movie, I think he'd be really good

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as that Bailey, But I don't think he'd work in

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the first half of the movie as the young man

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that's lost his family and this kind of sung. He

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wouldn't be quite as good and and and and the

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same thing the other way around if you put some

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you know. So the the one person that I thought

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of that I think could have done this, oddly enough,

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is Viggo Mortensen, because as as Eric, we see him

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play that kind of character. Yeah, I don't know if

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you'd wanted him to two years after Return of the

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King to turn around and play basically the same character again,

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probably the same character. I mean, he he's the reluctant

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warrior who's kind of emotional introspective but has to become

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a warrior and a leader at a and defend a

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defend a castle basically, right.

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Yeah, yeah, you're under siege.

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Yeah, he's basically the same character in a lot of ways.

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So that's the only person I could think that would work,

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maybe even better than Orlando.

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I like that choice. Uh. And to your point, yeah,

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Orlando is fast, he's he's just fascinating in the in

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this film, especially you know, the first act, he's he's extraordinary.

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Yes, I don't know.

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Yeah, And to your point, him leading an army, him

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him rousing the troops, it felt a little it felt

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just slightly off, you know, like maybe maybe I'm you know,

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you know, he he he just didn't have the that

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that stature that you know, like like mel Gibson and Braveheart,

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where you can give a speech and then everyone's just

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cheering and they're you know, they're pumped and they're ready

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for this battle. Orlando falls a little a little under

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on that, on that guard. I'm with you on that.

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Well, you know, a young Mel Gibson could have probably

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pulled it off too. That's the interesting point.

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How about uh, how about younger Kenneth Brennach.

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Oh yeah, yeah, I be for you.

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I think he could have done it. Let's talk Uh,

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let's talk about Liam Neeson playing God for you, so

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knowing nothing about the Crusades, Allegedly, his research included The

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Complete Idiot's Guide to the Crusades by Paul L. Williams,

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which he says was extremely informative. And this is this

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required reading for your class. Another reads that one.

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But yeah, I heard of that one. But that that works,

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I mean, you know, that's interesting, mentioned Lennison. I'm just

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gonna throw this out real quick. One of the things

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I love about this movie, it's like is it's like

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ten different movies. It's like every fifteen minutes or so,

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the cast completely changes and the location completely changes. So

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there's like you're into the Liam Neeson movie right now,

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but later there's there's the Jeremy Irons movie. There's Edward

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Edward Vie, there's a lot of Eva Green movie, and

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then there's the whole war movie. You know. It's yeah,

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it's like totally different movies. It's and then and the

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guy that plays I can't even think of his name again,

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but there's uh, his his right hand.

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Okay, oh yeah, yeah.

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Bella bor topic. Yeah, he's a lot as like the

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right hand man guy, you know.

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So yeah, you know he wasn't I mean, that guy

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was fantastic. He wasn't even on my radar to talk

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about today. But you're credit where credits due? Yeah, I

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liked it. This is like a revolving door. Everyone everyone's

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getting their chance and and I, you know, like Liam Neeson,

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I could have probably spent like another thirty minutes on

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the on the on the road to Jerusalem with limb.

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Oh. Yes, it turns into the Barbarian movie. Yes, it's

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totally a Konean movie there.

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Yeah, it's fantastic.

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Big the big German guy is awesome. That the whole

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thing where he says, you say this is true, I

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say that. So we'll fight and God will decide. God decides,

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Hospitallery says, my German friend is a is a very

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close student of the law.

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Yes, yeah, what is it? The sheriff. You know, he

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comes to collect Orlando Bloom, who's who's just murdered his

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his half brother. Briefly, let's you know, a quick moment

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about Michael Sheen and how despicable he is, right and

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this movie and talk about come up. And I think

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that's one of the most spectacular moments in this picture

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because Orlando Bloom's character has been like you said, he's

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been sitting there sulking in prison. You know, he's getting

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slapped in the face, he's he's he's just weak, and

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then he just comes alive. When you're you're talking, uh,

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you're talking to Sparage about his uh, his dead wife

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and child.

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So that the trigger, that was the trigger. Yeah, your

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your wife is in hell and she has no head.

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Yeah, and she has no head, and that's gonna get you. Yeah,

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that's gonna get your sword through the chest, uh, into the.

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Fire, through the chest, into the fire. That's right.

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The look of abject terror on Michael Sheen's face in

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that when you're when he's in the flames, that's one

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of the that's such an awesome shot. I love it.

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But uh but yeah, so so Balin's he's wanted for

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murder and this German guy who's uh on the on

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the road with limbnies and I love that moment. Yeah,

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we'll fight for it and God will tell us who's right.

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It's just fantastic. He takes an arrow to the throat

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man and keeps still keep he just keeps fighting. Yeah.

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I'll just note, by the way, if they were in

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Texas and not France, Bailey and would totally exonerated because

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they'll he needed killing defense, right, that need to kill him?

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He needed killing?

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Case dismissed, case slows right. Yeah, David Theulis as Hospitaler.

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My favorite character. There you go, you've hit my favorite

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character in the movie.

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Let's talk about him.

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Hospitaler doesn't even have a name, he's just Hospitaler. And

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you learn a couple of things about him that I mean,

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because they just drop little bits here and there, like

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there's a you know, when they're having dinner with Liam

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Neeson's older brother in the castle up on the hill,

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the older brother, the lord says, I prefer my priests

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to be priests and my warriors to be warriors or

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knights or whatever, and not mix the two. And and

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David Thulis kind of blows it off. But what he's

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saying is the hospit Twalers were kind of that mixture.

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They were sometimes they were warriors. They wore the armor,

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had the swords and everything, and you see him fighting,

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but he's also kind of a religious figure, kind of

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a priest, kind of a monk, that kind of a thing.

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Because the hospitality Knights were different from the templars. The

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templars were a lot more ruthless. I think, yeah, that

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wasn't their original mission statement, but they kind of were

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interesting too that the hospitalities are still around the day

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and the templars are long gone, so that just you know,

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shows you who had the longevity and who really was

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seen as contributing to society more.

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I think I'm of a mind that any film that

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has David Thulis in it is a better film with

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David Thulass in it. I've never seen him deliver a

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bad performance. I don't care what the film is. He's incredible.

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Do you do you want to talk now about his

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character and and all the fan theories.

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Let's do it, lay it out.

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Do you know about him?

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I don't. You've just you've just the light bulb. I'm like, wait,

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what what are we talking about here?

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So here we go.

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He is professor.

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There are two moments in particular. I mean, there's there's

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other things that contribute to this, but there's two moments

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that really make this, make this legit, I think, all right,

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So hospitaller. David Thulis leads Baileyan through Jerusalem when he

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first gets there, and he says, he shows him the

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templar knights being executed for killing Arabs, and he has

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that incredible line where Baileian says, they're being killed for

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doing what the pope would have them do, and and

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David Thulis says, yes, but not Christ, I think. And

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that's one of the first times in the movie that

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you realize that there's there's organized religion in this movie,

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and then there's doing the right thing. And they're not

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always they're not always on the same page, right, the

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same thing? All right. So Hospitaler is already laying out

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the idea that he's speaking for Christ and for God

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rather than for the church. Okay, And he tells Baileian

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what's in he and what's in here? By that you

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will be a good man or not? Okay. Well, now

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flash fast forward to later. Baileien is miserable, he's lost everything.

463
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He's sitting out in the desert the burning bush scene, Yes,

464
00:25:15.400 --> 00:25:18.000
the little kreosoap bush catches fire, and he's sitting there

465
00:25:18.039 --> 00:25:22.160
and who comes up behind him and talks to him Hospitaler? Hospitaler,

466
00:25:22.880 --> 00:25:25.160
that does not mean there is no God. Do you

467
00:25:25.240 --> 00:25:30.319
love her? Yes? Your loyalties to the city, right, all that. Yeah,

468
00:25:29.799 --> 00:25:32.519
So Baileien turns back and looks at the bush the

469
00:25:32.559 --> 00:25:37.279
second bush catches fire, he turns around again, where is Hospitaler?

470
00:25:38.359 --> 00:25:40.599
He's gone, He's not what you know what, You're right,

471
00:25:40.640 --> 00:25:47.720
He's completely gone. Yeah, but he's gone. Okay, so he

472
00:25:47.920 --> 00:25:51.559
just disappears straight up into heaven. Gone. It's a desert.

473
00:25:51.759 --> 00:25:53.279
Nowhere to go. He's gone. Where was he?

474
00:25:53.359 --> 00:25:53.519
Yeah?

475
00:25:53.640 --> 00:25:56.839
Right? Where is he now? When Baileyan then gets up

476
00:25:56.839 --> 00:25:59.799
and goes to the little village and has the fight

477
00:25:59.839 --> 00:26:03.839
with the templars that he has sent to murder him. Yeah,

478
00:26:03.960 --> 00:26:06.559
he beats them, but he's lying on the ground, unconscious

479
00:26:06.640 --> 00:26:07.839
or dead. How does he wake up?

480
00:26:08.839 --> 00:26:10.880
He wakes up to uh, the Hospitaler's face.

481
00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:14.680
Hospitaler touches in between the eye and then he wakes up.

482
00:26:14.680 --> 00:26:15.599
Where's Hospitaler?

483
00:26:16.400 --> 00:26:17.359
Nowhere to be found again?

484
00:26:17.559 --> 00:26:22.640
He's gone. The fan theory is Hospitaler is an angel

485
00:26:23.720 --> 00:26:26.400
or God himself. Oh.

486
00:26:26.519 --> 00:26:27.119
I love that.

487
00:26:27.839 --> 00:26:30.400
He really only talks to Bailey in the entire movie.

488
00:26:31.119 --> 00:26:33.680
I mean he talks to he talks to Count, He

489
00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:35.519
talks to Bailian's dead early on.

490
00:26:35.880 --> 00:26:38.079
Yeah, he talks to Godfrey, and then he.

491
00:26:38.039 --> 00:26:41.119
Talks to An. Then he talked and then once once

492
00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:45.400
once uh, Godfrey's dead. He only really talks to to

493
00:26:45.480 --> 00:26:49.799
Baileyan and even says, I'll tell your father what I've

494
00:26:49.799 --> 00:26:52.000
seen you become his father's dead.

495
00:26:52.960 --> 00:26:56.799
Oh wow, I I'm putting this together now. And yeah, yeah,

496
00:26:57.039 --> 00:27:00.000
the theory that that hospitaler you know doesn't have a name,

497
00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:03.000
he's just he's a hospitaler. The idea that he is

498
00:27:03.039 --> 00:27:07.599
an angel looking out for them, you know, that's fantastic.

499
00:27:08.720 --> 00:27:11.000
I'm all in on it. I'm all in on it,

500
00:27:11.079 --> 00:27:11.720
you know. Love.

501
00:27:11.920 --> 00:27:14.039
I mean, otherwise, where does he goes? He gets beamed

502
00:27:14.079 --> 00:27:17.480
up onto the enterprise, I mean, you don't disappear.

503
00:27:17.680 --> 00:27:20.119
So yeah, I guess part of me was, you know,

504
00:27:20.160 --> 00:27:23.000
because this is such a sprawling, epic, part part of

505
00:27:23.000 --> 00:27:25.240
my brain was just like not worried about where he

506
00:27:25.279 --> 00:27:28.400
had went in these moments. But now that you're putting

507
00:27:28.400 --> 00:27:30.759
it front, front and center, I'm like, wait a minute, Yeah,

508
00:27:30.799 --> 00:27:34.200
that that that tracks. I love it. I absolutely love it.

509
00:27:34.240 --> 00:27:34.400
Man.

510
00:27:34.559 --> 00:27:37.039
It probably was my ninth time seeing it when I

511
00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:42.200
figured out I've seen it a lot. Yeah, there's things

512
00:27:42.200 --> 00:27:43.599
you have to watch a movie a lot of times

513
00:27:43.599 --> 00:27:44.720
to cats, and that's one of them.

514
00:27:44.759 --> 00:27:47.839
So Eva Green oh.

515
00:27:47.519 --> 00:27:52.000
Man, perfect, perfect, perfect, perfect, so good.

516
00:27:52.079 --> 00:27:54.480
I love I love the fact that I don't care

517
00:27:54.519 --> 00:27:56.279
what the topic is van I feel like you and

518
00:27:56.319 --> 00:28:00.720
I always get the opportunity to somehow take it back

519
00:28:00.759 --> 00:28:04.400
to uh to James Bond And yes, I'm reading, I'm

520
00:28:04.400 --> 00:28:07.519
reading about I'm reading about Eva Green. Her performance in

521
00:28:07.559 --> 00:28:11.000
this film is directly responsible for her being chosen to

522
00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:12.960
play Vesper lynd in Casino Royale.

523
00:28:13.720 --> 00:28:14.079
Really.

524
00:28:14.559 --> 00:28:17.680
Yeah, like they're looking, they're looking for the next Bond girl.

525
00:28:18.400 --> 00:28:21.359
They saw her in this and they said, that's that's

526
00:28:21.440 --> 00:28:24.039
Vesper you know, and think about think about her performance.

527
00:28:24.079 --> 00:28:28.000
I mean, think about obviously she's strikingly beautiful, but think

528
00:28:28.000 --> 00:28:30.839
about how strong she is in this film, the character

529
00:28:31.599 --> 00:28:35.119
that she plays is, and think about Vesper Lynde. I

530
00:28:35.440 --> 00:28:39.160
see a lot of what vesperland is or will become

531
00:28:39.279 --> 00:28:42.000
in her performance in this film. Yeah, what's your what's

532
00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:42.599
your thoughts here?

533
00:28:43.079 --> 00:28:45.279
No, I think you're absolutely right. I didn't realize that part,

534
00:28:45.319 --> 00:28:47.759
but it totally makes sense. The other thing that because

535
00:28:47.799 --> 00:28:49.240
that came out in two thousand and six, so that

536
00:28:49.240 --> 00:28:51.920
would be the probably the next thing she did. The

537
00:28:51.960 --> 00:28:54.079
only thing that's the thing that strikes me ironic about

538
00:28:54.119 --> 00:28:56.359
that is the one actress that I can think of

539
00:28:56.440 --> 00:28:58.119
that I think would have been as good or better

540
00:28:58.599 --> 00:29:03.160
as a French princess. Us is LEAs to do from

541
00:29:03.200 --> 00:29:09.480
the next two bond.

542
00:29:06.880 --> 00:29:07.480
That was.

543
00:29:08.839 --> 00:29:10.599
She has to look too. She looks as good as

544
00:29:10.640 --> 00:29:12.559
Eva Green and she's French. You know.

545
00:29:12.720 --> 00:29:16.119
Yeah, I'm not gonna debate you on that. And again

546
00:29:16.200 --> 00:29:19.519
I I don't know, Uh, there is no wrong answer there.

547
00:29:19.839 --> 00:29:22.759
But actually I actually love what Eva Green is doing

548
00:29:23.359 --> 00:29:26.000
in this in this role is the queen and uh

549
00:29:26.759 --> 00:29:28.200
just fantastic, you know.

550
00:29:29.160 --> 00:29:31.759
And I'm gonna throw out a little uh love to

551
00:29:31.880 --> 00:29:34.000
the grave Digger. I know, we weren't gonna probably gonna

552
00:29:34.000 --> 00:29:37.640
mention him. Yeah, pops up at the beginning. He's the

553
00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:41.440
one that is getting crap thrown at him by the brother,

554
00:29:41.680 --> 00:29:42.400
the priest, you.

555
00:29:42.400 --> 00:29:43.519
Know, the clip dear.

556
00:29:43.880 --> 00:29:47.400
Yeah, yeah, I haven't. I have a notched ear because

557
00:29:47.440 --> 00:29:52.400
I love justice and because you and then and then

558
00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:54.680
we and then this is what's funny. I always ask

559
00:29:54.720 --> 00:29:56.559
my students when he when they when he shows up

560
00:29:56.559 --> 00:29:59.720
again in Jerusalem and Armor, I always stop and say,

561
00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:02.240
anybody know who that is? And they're like, you know,

562
00:30:02.359 --> 00:30:05.599
like that's the grave Digger. From the beginning, he says,

563
00:30:05.720 --> 00:30:08.759
master grave Digger, and he's and then and then he

564
00:30:08.759 --> 00:30:10.359
has the scene what made me think of it. He

565
00:30:10.359 --> 00:30:13.759
has a scene with Eva Green where he says, what

566
00:30:13.799 --> 00:30:16.720
would you say to somebody who you know, gave everything

567
00:30:16.799 --> 00:30:18.440
up to come down here and then you know whatever,

568
00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:20.880
And she says, I would say I'm sorry, and he

569
00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:24.279
calls her Queen of Jerusalem or something, you know, because

570
00:30:24.279 --> 00:30:26.519
you recond reading with her hair cut off and all.

571
00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:29.480
So I just love that. I love her interaction with

572
00:30:29.559 --> 00:30:31.279
the other characters besides Baileyan too.

573
00:30:31.640 --> 00:30:34.000
Yeah, well just that in that in that moment you're

574
00:30:34.039 --> 00:30:36.200
talking about where she interacts with the grave digger. I

575
00:30:36.200 --> 00:30:38.640
love the fact that she's you know, she cuts her

576
00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:41.440
hair off and she you know, removes the jewelry and

577
00:30:41.480 --> 00:30:45.240
she's just down there nursing the injured back to health,

578
00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:47.440
you know, trying to take care of him. And that

579
00:30:47.640 --> 00:30:52.079
speaks volumes about her her character and and you know

580
00:30:52.119 --> 00:30:54.960
what what her what her morality is.

581
00:30:55.000 --> 00:30:57.839
I feel like, you know, because she's just seen her

582
00:30:57.880 --> 00:31:01.720
brother's face when he died, and so when she's looking

583
00:31:01.720 --> 00:31:03.759
in the mirror while she's cutting her hair, she sees

584
00:31:03.799 --> 00:31:06.960
her own reflection twisted and it turns in and twisted.

585
00:31:07.200 --> 00:31:10.279
Yeah, that's a haunting moment too, because I'm like, as

586
00:31:10.279 --> 00:31:12.640
I'm watching and I'm like, wait, what am I? What

587
00:31:12.680 --> 00:31:14.680
am I watch? What's going on here? And then and

588
00:31:14.720 --> 00:31:17.720
then he kind of clicks in your head like she's

589
00:31:17.759 --> 00:31:19.920
she's seeing herself for what she could be or what

590
00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:23.680
she what she is or what you know. Absolutely just

591
00:31:24.039 --> 00:31:27.079
stunning performance by her. Uh let's talk about the Jeremy

592
00:31:27.119 --> 00:31:29.920
Irons movie. He's playing Tiberius.

593
00:31:30.559 --> 00:31:32.720
He's kind of the Constable of Jerusalem, right, that was

594
00:31:32.759 --> 00:31:35.039
the impression I got. Like the he's like the police

595
00:31:35.160 --> 00:31:36.759
That's what I always described my student. He's kind of

596
00:31:36.759 --> 00:31:41.240
the police chief for the Christians, and so he's the

597
00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:43.000
guy in charge of kind of keeping law in order,

598
00:31:43.480 --> 00:31:46.440
and he wants Bailian to be around because he figures

599
00:31:46.480 --> 00:31:49.759
he can help. Yeah, Jeremy Irons is great in this.

600
00:31:50.160 --> 00:31:53.640
Tiberius is a really cool character. Again, there's not a

601
00:31:53.680 --> 00:31:56.759
lot of explanation about him. He just you show up

602
00:31:56.759 --> 00:31:59.119
in his police chief office and they lead him or

603
00:31:59.119 --> 00:32:01.640
he leads them around little bit explained stuff, and then

604
00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:03.599
when the going gets tough, he's like, all right, I'm

605
00:32:03.640 --> 00:32:04.039
out of here.

606
00:32:04.039 --> 00:32:07.559
By he's doing he.

607
00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:13.039
Says, I'm going to cypress or multips, I think, yeah, Yeah,

608
00:32:13.079 --> 00:32:14.319
he's extraordinary.

609
00:32:14.440 --> 00:32:21.240
Yeah. Another extraordinary performance. Uh the role of uh Reynold,

610
00:32:22.119 --> 00:32:28.599
who is played by Brendan Gleeson read noticed. I kind

611
00:32:28.599 --> 00:32:30.119
of feel like Ridley's like, hey, I need you to

612
00:32:30.200 --> 00:32:31.839
dial this up to like a seven or eight, and

613
00:32:31.880 --> 00:32:33.920
he goes full eleven. He break goes out.

614
00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:38.960
Yes. I have no doubt in my mind that Brendan

615
00:32:38.960 --> 00:32:43.880
Gleeson was using that line to psych himself up, and

616
00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:46.359
Ridley's like, just keep doing that. It's good, Yeah, work,

617
00:32:46.400 --> 00:32:48.920
go for it. I don't think that was in the script.

618
00:32:49.079 --> 00:32:53.119
I think that he's just everywhere he's in the movie,

619
00:32:53.160 --> 00:32:56.039
he's just going I have read shot own just it

620
00:32:56.200 --> 00:32:57.000
just works, you know.

621
00:32:57.759 --> 00:33:01.279
Yeah. One other performance I want to briefly discuss. Let's

622
00:33:01.279 --> 00:33:02.319
talk about King Baldwin.

623
00:33:03.720 --> 00:33:05.119
Oh gosh, yes.

624
00:33:05.039 --> 00:33:09.319
Okay, So Edward Norton he comes in, Yeah, he comes

625
00:33:09.359 --> 00:33:12.799
in to read for the role of Gee and then

626
00:33:12.920 --> 00:33:16.960
chooses the concealed role of King Baldwin and says, hey,

627
00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:19.480
I don't't even be credited. I kind of feel like

628
00:33:19.519 --> 00:33:21.920
this is Edward Norton who is like, He's like, look,

629
00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:23.640
I'm gonna I'm gonna sneak in. I'm gonna put it

630
00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:27.200
on a masterclass on how to how to perform and

631
00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:30.359
no one's even gonna know, and you know, and it works,

632
00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:33.279
I mean the first the first couple. Like I I

633
00:33:33.599 --> 00:33:36.000
know for a fact, the first two times I saw

634
00:33:36.039 --> 00:33:38.799
this film, all you can see is like a hint

635
00:33:38.799 --> 00:33:41.599
of his eyes and his voice is so soft, and

636
00:33:41.640 --> 00:33:43.519
I'm like, I know I've heard the voice, I just

637
00:33:43.519 --> 00:33:46.039
don't know who it is. And then when you realize

638
00:33:46.039 --> 00:33:49.200
that this is Edward Norton in this role might be

639
00:33:49.240 --> 00:33:52.119
one of his best performances ye have his career, I

640
00:33:52.599 --> 00:33:54.319
have to say, yeah.

641
00:33:54.319 --> 00:33:56.200
I mean, you know, we've seen actors be able to

642
00:33:56.799 --> 00:34:00.400
act well through a lot of makeup. I always think of,

643
00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:03.599
you know, Jakar and Babylon five, for example, who is

644
00:34:03.680 --> 00:34:06.880
just a master through all the through all that narn makeup,

645
00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:10.719
but through a freaking metal mask. You can't get anything

646
00:34:10.800 --> 00:34:12.639
out except your voice.

647
00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:14.000
Your voice and the eyes.

648
00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:16.960
Right. Yeah, but he's absolutely hypnotic.

649
00:34:17.840 --> 00:34:22.480
This this character is he's frightening, just and I and

650
00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:26.280
what frightening by bye bye by way of his his

651
00:34:26.400 --> 00:34:30.639
look that mask is is a little terrifying, you know. Yeah,

652
00:34:30.719 --> 00:34:33.079
but he's also your heart breaks from what once you

653
00:34:33.119 --> 00:34:37.719
realize his situation, your your heart breaks from and you're like,

654
00:34:37.760 --> 00:34:39.920
you know what, he's one of the good guys. I

655
00:34:39.960 --> 00:34:42.679
want I want, you know, I want him to be protected.

656
00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:45.840
I want him to be the good king. And it's just, uh,

657
00:34:46.039 --> 00:34:47.719
it's one of the best performances in the film. It

658
00:34:47.840 --> 00:34:48.480
truly is.

659
00:34:48.639 --> 00:34:50.760
When a great battle. When I was a teenager or whatever,

660
00:34:50.840 --> 00:34:53.679
now I realize I want to see thirty and you'reize man,

661
00:34:54.079 --> 00:34:55.719
younger than you thought, you know, he's yeah.

662
00:34:55.599 --> 00:34:59.800
Yeah, it's fantastic. Van, Let's let's take a quick break

663
00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:03.039
and when we get back, we'll we'll talk a little

664
00:35:03.039 --> 00:35:10.480
bit about the film's background. Welcome back here with Van

665
00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:16.400
Allen Plexico discussing the director's cut road show version of

666
00:35:16.519 --> 00:35:22.199
Ridley Scott's Kingdom of Heaven. So Van. The screenwriter here

667
00:35:22.679 --> 00:35:27.360
William Monaghan, who you may know. You may have that name.

668
00:35:27.400 --> 00:35:30.840
He was the writer of Martin Scorsese's That Departed. But

669
00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:35.559
before that, he writes a specscript called Triply about William

670
00:35:35.559 --> 00:35:39.199
Eaton's march on Tripoli. Is it tripley or Tripoli trip tripley?

671
00:35:39.320 --> 00:35:43.199
Triple yeah, thank you. He writes his script about William

672
00:35:43.239 --> 00:35:46.760
Eaton's march on Tripoli during the Barbary Wars, it finds

673
00:35:46.800 --> 00:35:49.639
its way into Ridley Scott's hands, who then meets with

674
00:35:49.719 --> 00:35:53.159
Monahan and starts sharing his desire to direct a film

675
00:35:53.159 --> 00:35:56.920
about knights. And you know, William Monahan's here to sell tripley.

676
00:35:57.000 --> 00:35:59.559
But he's like, you, look, you know, Ridley, if you

677
00:35:59.599 --> 00:36:01.639
want to do a movie about knights, you know, do

678
00:36:01.719 --> 00:36:04.039
a film about the Crusades. And he says, and I'm

679
00:36:04.079 --> 00:36:08.639
quoting him here, You've got every conceivable plot imaginable there,

680
00:36:09.239 --> 00:36:13.440
which is far more exotic than fiction. And in that pitch,

681
00:36:13.639 --> 00:36:17.199
Scott is instantly enamored with him. He hires him to

682
00:36:17.239 --> 00:36:20.360
write the screenplay that will eventually become Kingdom of Heaven.

683
00:36:21.039 --> 00:36:23.000
And he does what he does. He does this deal

684
00:36:23.039 --> 00:36:27.559
where's he gets to stay on through production so that

685
00:36:27.719 --> 00:36:29.840
if Ridley wants to make any changes to the script

686
00:36:29.920 --> 00:36:32.840
or he wants to rewrite a scene, William Monaghan is

687
00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:35.679
on set to make those changes throughout the entire production.

688
00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:39.199
Perfect awesome deal, and especially in a movie like this,

689
00:36:40.480 --> 00:36:41.199
excellent choice.

690
00:36:42.400 --> 00:36:44.039
Well, and as you said, originally it was going to

691
00:36:44.079 --> 00:36:47.320
be really, really even longer. And my favorite little factoid

692
00:36:47.400 --> 00:36:51.360
about that, which you probably know, is that when they

693
00:36:51.400 --> 00:36:55.159
got the script from him, it was so long that

694
00:36:55.199 --> 00:36:56.920
they said, there's no way we can even begin to

695
00:36:56.960 --> 00:36:58.840
do this. The studio would just never even let us

696
00:36:58.840 --> 00:37:01.079
attempt it. It's like two movies, you know. And so

697
00:37:01.400 --> 00:37:05.119
Ridley and his secretary sat down and they just deleted

698
00:37:05.280 --> 00:37:08.559
every stage direction from the entire script, so it was

699
00:37:08.639 --> 00:37:11.960
nothing but dialogue. And when they did that, they got

700
00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:14.360
it down to like three hours and said, okay, now

701
00:37:14.440 --> 00:37:18.119
the studio will think it's a shorter movie. They just

702
00:37:18.280 --> 00:37:21.440
they just made it look shorter by taking everything out

703
00:37:21.480 --> 00:37:22.880
that wasn't dialogue.

704
00:37:23.719 --> 00:37:27.480
Fantastic, Absolutely fantastic. And I gotta tell you some of

705
00:37:27.519 --> 00:37:29.239
the you know, I know, we'll talk about a couple

706
00:37:29.480 --> 00:37:32.079
couple notable scenes here. This is one of the better,

707
00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:35.679
better scripts. I think that that came along awesome. I

708
00:37:35.679 --> 00:37:38.559
can see why he's I can see why after this

709
00:37:38.679 --> 00:37:42.480
he's writing the party for Scorsese. I can see why

710
00:37:42.519 --> 00:37:46.639
it's it's getting nominated for an Academy Award. The guy's amazing.

711
00:37:47.440 --> 00:37:53.159
More amazing is the music by Harry Gregson Williams Man.

712
00:37:53.239 --> 00:37:54.920
I love this score. I absolutely love this.

713
00:37:54.960 --> 00:37:58.199
So it's so varied and diverse. It's not just like

714
00:37:58.239 --> 00:38:00.719
a one note thing. I mean, you know, say what

715
00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:02.960
you will about like John Williams or whatever, and its

716
00:38:03.000 --> 00:38:06.320
beautiful scores, but they all sound like pretty much the

717
00:38:06.360 --> 00:38:11.320
same orchestra doing different songs, whereas this sounds like different,

718
00:38:11.800 --> 00:38:16.199
completely different people doing different types of music every track.

719
00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:19.320
Yeah, he's I feel like he's the most sampling to

720
00:38:19.760 --> 00:38:23.239
an extent of kind of picking and choosing what works

721
00:38:23.239 --> 00:38:27.400
and what doesn't. Fantastic look a score like this, I

722
00:38:27.400 --> 00:38:32.079
couldn't resist. Had to tap Wayne Whited from our phaser

723
00:38:32.159 --> 00:38:36.360
set to stun Star Trek series because, as we all know,

724
00:38:36.440 --> 00:38:40.239
Wayne loves a good film score. So Wayne, if you

725
00:38:40.280 --> 00:38:41.800
would please take it away.

726
00:38:42.440 --> 00:38:46.239
Kingdom of Heaven, Ridley Scott's massive historical epic from two

727
00:38:46.280 --> 00:38:49.440
thousand and five. I'll admit I didn't see this one

728
00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:53.239
in theaters, waiting for the highly anticipated DVD release later

729
00:38:53.320 --> 00:38:55.400
that year so I could watch this in the comfort

730
00:38:55.440 --> 00:38:59.440
of my own home. The film is beautiful. The cinematography,

731
00:38:59.480 --> 00:39:03.239
the costume jumes, the designs are all incredible to watch.

732
00:39:03.920 --> 00:39:07.480
But one element that I did enjoy immensely was the score,

733
00:39:08.119 --> 00:39:13.840
beautifully composed by Harry Gregson Williams. The original composer attached

734
00:39:13.840 --> 00:39:16.239
to this film was Hans Zimmer It was a composer

735
00:39:16.280 --> 00:39:19.360
that Ridley Scott had used before in films like Hannibal, Blackhawk,

736
00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:22.159
Down Film and Louise, but he had to pull out

737
00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:25.280
from working on this film to score DreamWorks Animated film

738
00:39:25.400 --> 00:39:30.239
At a GASCAR, Zimmer suggested British composer Harry Gregson Williams

739
00:39:31.119 --> 00:39:34.760
to replace him, who took a completely different approach to

740
00:39:34.800 --> 00:39:38.920
scoring this film compared to Zimmer's earlier Gladiator score. Gregs

741
00:39:38.920 --> 00:39:41.480
and Williams had been around in Hollywood for nearly a

742
00:39:41.519 --> 00:39:44.199
decade at this point, hitting the ground with a score

743
00:39:44.239 --> 00:39:47.440
for Michael Bay's nineteen ninety six film The Rock and

744
00:39:47.519 --> 00:39:50.800
moving on to scores such diverse films like The Replacement

745
00:39:50.880 --> 00:39:54.199
Killers Ants, Prince of Egypt, Phone Booth, and of course

746
00:39:54.239 --> 00:39:59.280
he scored Shrek. Gregs and Williams wrote a massive score

747
00:39:59.400 --> 00:40:02.679
for Full or Orchestra, beautifully performed by the London Session

748
00:40:02.800 --> 00:40:07.360
Orchestra and enhanced with massive and powerful choir, adding weight

749
00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:11.360
and dramatic intensity to the score. Another unique touch that

750
00:40:11.400 --> 00:40:16.119
he brought was his use of the viol that's best

751
00:40:16.119 --> 00:40:19.119
described as a mini cello. It's played by the English

752
00:40:19.239 --> 00:40:23.079
musician group Fretwork. It's heard best in the cues on

753
00:40:23.119 --> 00:40:29.360
the soundtrack titled Burning the Past and to Jerusalem. Other

754
00:40:29.440 --> 00:40:32.440
cues like the Battle of Carric are pulse pounding action

755
00:40:32.599 --> 00:40:37.440
cues full of heavy percussion and phrensious orchestra. The film

756
00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:41.320
does contain quite a few tracked pieces music from other sources,

757
00:40:41.400 --> 00:40:44.960
not specifically composed for this film, but used by the director,

758
00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:47.880
mostly coming from the temp track that really Scott had

759
00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:51.519
assembled during the editing of this film. Many are contemporary

760
00:40:51.599 --> 00:40:55.039
or historical pieces, such as the music played during Reynard's

761
00:40:55.079 --> 00:40:58.920
death scene, the scene where Baileian and Cymbala are having sex,

762
00:40:59.320 --> 00:41:03.840
or the execution of Roger Decormier. Others came from various

763
00:41:03.880 --> 00:41:07.159
film soundtracks, such as the funeral music for King Baldwin,

764
00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:10.719
which was taken from Hans Zimmer's score to the movie Hannibal,

765
00:41:12.039 --> 00:41:14.760
the discussion of the Terms of Surrender, which come from

766
00:41:14.800 --> 00:41:18.239
the score to Blade two by Marco Biltromi, and the

767
00:41:18.320 --> 00:41:21.599
nighting scene, which is actually the track Thehalla Viking Victory

768
00:41:21.599 --> 00:41:25.519
from Jerry Goldsmith's amazing score to the Thirteenth Warrior. My

769
00:41:25.679 --> 00:41:29.000
opinions of tracked music in a film can be rather harsh.

770
00:41:29.880 --> 00:41:32.199
I feel at most times that it burdens the film

771
00:41:32.239 --> 00:41:35.400
and feels out of place should be avoided. But Ridley

772
00:41:35.440 --> 00:41:38.239
Scott is well known for using tracked music in his films,

773
00:41:39.000 --> 00:41:41.360
the film Alien being one of the most well known

774
00:41:41.400 --> 00:41:44.840
and notorious examples, which caused a riff between director and

775
00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:48.679
composer Jerry Goldsmith. He refused to follow it and accept

776
00:41:48.719 --> 00:41:52.360
any of Riddy Scott's suggestions. In a way, I find

777
00:41:52.760 --> 00:41:56.199
it somewhat disrespectful for the director to use tracked music

778
00:41:56.199 --> 00:41:59.599
in place of something that's been originally composed, and that

779
00:41:59.639 --> 00:42:01.960
the film should be an accumulation of the work of

780
00:42:02.159 --> 00:42:05.320
all parties involved, a piece of art created by many

781
00:42:05.440 --> 00:42:10.199
talented experts, each bringing their own vision to the project. Instead,

782
00:42:10.360 --> 00:42:13.440
we only get what the director wants, damaging the work

783
00:42:13.480 --> 00:42:17.719
that's been done. We don't need Norman Rockwell painting a

784
00:42:17.719 --> 00:42:20.360
smile on Da Vinci's Lona Lisa. That's the way I

785
00:42:20.360 --> 00:42:23.760
feel about this. The soundtrack to Kingdom of Heaven was

786
00:42:24.039 --> 00:42:27.199
released by Sony Classical on April twenty six, two thousand

787
00:42:27.199 --> 00:42:29.840
and five, containing nineteen tracks, which is a little over

788
00:42:29.880 --> 00:42:32.559
an hour of music from the film. It included the

789
00:42:32.559 --> 00:42:37.079
track Light of Life featuring singer Natasha Autlass It's a

790
00:42:37.119 --> 00:42:41.039
great listen both during the film and separate as a

791
00:42:41.039 --> 00:42:44.639
work of musical genius, as one of the gleaming highlights

792
00:42:44.760 --> 00:42:48.039
in Greg's and Williams's career, highly revere and sought after

793
00:42:48.079 --> 00:42:51.880
by soundtrack collectors. Hopefully, one day this score will get

794
00:42:51.920 --> 00:42:54.679
a full and complete release, allowing us to hear this

795
00:42:54.800 --> 00:42:58.159
masterpiece as it was originally intended. But until then, the

796
00:42:58.199 --> 00:43:01.280
original album is still available to pert from any favorite

797
00:43:01.480 --> 00:43:02.519
soundtrack website.

798
00:43:06.280 --> 00:43:06.599
Thank you.

799
00:43:06.639 --> 00:43:09.639
Wayne could not agree more. I love what he said

800
00:43:09.679 --> 00:43:13.599
about Goldsmith. I knew I when I talked Van, when

801
00:43:13.599 --> 00:43:16.360
I talked about doing this to him, He's like, well,

802
00:43:16.400 --> 00:43:19.840
you know there's some Goldsmith's stuff happening there. I was like, well,

803
00:43:19.880 --> 00:43:21.000
that's why I'm asking you, Wayne.

804
00:43:21.079 --> 00:43:24.519
So two things I would mentioned at the score. One is, yeah,

805
00:43:24.639 --> 00:43:28.239
it's it's one of my other top ten movies that

806
00:43:28.320 --> 00:43:32.559
they borrowed from The Thirteenth Warrior. Yeah, and it always

807
00:43:32.840 --> 00:43:34.559
that's the one thing that takes me out of this

808
00:43:34.599 --> 00:43:36.440
movie is We're trying to have the battle, and all

809
00:43:36.440 --> 00:43:38.360
of a sudden, I'm waiting for Vikings in an Arab

810
00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:42.519
to show up and start fighting. The Vendel stops saying it.

811
00:43:43.320 --> 00:43:46.480
But the other thing about it is, if you've noticed,

812
00:43:47.440 --> 00:43:51.960
every time somebody gets brutally killed, a choir comes in singing,

813
00:43:52.639 --> 00:43:55.079
and so it kind of and only takes the edge

814
00:43:55.119 --> 00:43:57.239
off of it, or it makes it seem like, well,

815
00:43:57.280 --> 00:44:00.320
this this was fate or something. But there's some thing

816
00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:02.840
about as soon as like somebody gets an axe to

817
00:44:02.880 --> 00:44:09.559
the skull, you hear, oh, changes the mood. It's really

818
00:44:09.639 --> 00:44:10.800
interesting how they did that.

819
00:44:11.400 --> 00:44:15.400
Yeah. Absolutely, So let's talk Van. I know this is

820
00:44:15.400 --> 00:44:17.400
not gonna be easy for us, but uh, if we

821
00:44:17.440 --> 00:44:21.679
could discuss a few noteworthy scenes here and maybe maybe

822
00:44:21.719 --> 00:44:24.719
what you feel is the pivotal moment I want to

823
00:44:24.760 --> 00:44:28.920
I want to open up. Let's talk about Baillian's meeting

824
00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:32.960
King Baldwin for the first time and this conversation about

825
00:44:32.960 --> 00:44:35.440
how the whole world is in chess.

826
00:44:35.960 --> 00:44:38.880
Yes, I think you're right, that's what I was. Immediately

827
00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:41.360
when you said pivotal I started going, oh my gosh,

828
00:44:41.519 --> 00:44:43.000
so many, so many, And I said, you know what,

829
00:44:43.519 --> 00:44:46.079
I think the pivotal moment in this movie is that

830
00:44:46.199 --> 00:44:52.360
meeting and then the second meeting when when when Jeremy

831
00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:55.559
Irons is there with them. Okay, those are the two

832
00:44:55.719 --> 00:44:57.320
key that's what the whole thing turns on.

833
00:44:58.159 --> 00:45:01.840
I love this moment. You know, any move in chess

834
00:45:01.840 --> 00:45:03.440
can be the death of you. You know, you do

835
00:45:03.480 --> 00:45:06.400
anything except mn where you step where you started, and

836
00:45:06.440 --> 00:45:09.000
you can't be sure of your end. Were you sure

837
00:45:09.039 --> 00:45:13.360
of your end once? Yes, Baileian has this great moment.

838
00:45:13.360 --> 00:45:15.079
He tells him, you know, yeah, it was to be

839
00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:18.000
buried one hundred yards from where I was born. But

840
00:45:18.159 --> 00:45:22.960
now I'm sitting in Jerusalem looking upon a king again.

841
00:45:23.119 --> 00:45:27.159
William Monahan, what writing here? What a great moment, you

842
00:45:27.199 --> 00:45:27.880
know for these two.

843
00:45:28.599 --> 00:45:32.079
But I mean, he squeezes in that critically important piece

844
00:45:32.079 --> 00:45:36.960
of information just out of nowhere. And at the time

845
00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:39.960
it happens, you're thinking, Okay, he's just throwing out some

846
00:45:39.960 --> 00:45:43.159
cool he's dropping some cool wisdom. I'm the king, let

847
00:45:43.239 --> 00:45:45.760
me drop some knowledge on you. And then later on

848
00:45:45.880 --> 00:45:48.639
you realize, oh, that's why he told Baileyan that, so

849
00:45:48.679 --> 00:45:52.480
he could have it thrown back in his face. Yes, yes,

850
00:45:52.559 --> 00:45:56.199
he tells Baileyan. He tells Baileyan, whatever you do, it's

851
00:45:56.280 --> 00:45:59.000
on you. It's on your soul. You cannot stand before

852
00:45:59.039 --> 00:46:01.719
God and say, but somebody else made me do this,

853
00:46:01.840 --> 00:46:07.159
somebody else. You know, it is on you. I'm paraphrasing obviously, yes, yes.

854
00:46:07.800 --> 00:46:10.320
So then the other half of that scene is later

855
00:46:10.360 --> 00:46:12.679
on they say, all right, we're gonna kill gee. You

856
00:46:12.719 --> 00:46:15.519
get to be king or protector or whatever, you get

857
00:46:15.559 --> 00:46:18.920
to marry Sibylla. Would that be so bad? Huh huh huh.

858
00:46:18.960 --> 00:46:22.119
I'll take, I'll take, I know it. And he's like,

859
00:46:22.239 --> 00:46:25.199
I can't be the cause of that. Yeah, And he's like,

860
00:46:25.320 --> 00:46:27.920
you said whatever you want, right, you said you do

861
00:46:27.960 --> 00:46:30.159
whatever we want. And he looks at the king and

862
00:46:30.199 --> 00:46:33.559
says and basically quotes him back to him and the

863
00:46:33.639 --> 00:46:36.800
king and he said said this, and the King is like, yes,

864
00:46:36.960 --> 00:46:40.920
I did, so be it. And that's where he's like,

865
00:46:41.119 --> 00:46:45.599
I'm not gonna be just another lackey murdering people to

866
00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:48.239
keep power. I can't. It's got to be a kingdom

867
00:46:48.280 --> 00:46:49.440
of conscience or nothing.

868
00:46:50.159 --> 00:46:54.760
That's one of Orlando Bloom's better moments in this movie too,

869
00:46:55.039 --> 00:46:57.880
when he when he kind of turns it back on

870
00:46:57.880 --> 00:47:01.239
on the king. Love that moment. Uh, let's dial let's

871
00:47:01.280 --> 00:47:05.000
let's head back before Jerusalem though, when when we're talking

872
00:47:05.039 --> 00:47:07.480
about the Conan the Barbarian movie, as you as you said,

873
00:47:08.360 --> 00:47:12.199
Godfrey Knighting Baillian is another moment I absolutely love in

874
00:47:12.239 --> 00:47:16.320
this film. Uh Nissan is giving an incredible performance as

875
00:47:16.320 --> 00:47:20.039
a dying man working his way through a ceremony, and

876
00:47:20.079 --> 00:47:23.599
I'm buying into it. I'm I'm I'm legitimately concerned for

877
00:47:23.679 --> 00:47:26.400
Liam Neeson's health in this scene because he looks like

878
00:47:26.440 --> 00:47:29.039
he is a dying man and that smack. I love

879
00:47:29.079 --> 00:47:31.360
that moment too, when he smacks him and he says,

880
00:47:31.519 --> 00:47:34.960
that's to remind you of what what what your oath is? Yeah,

881
00:47:35.119 --> 00:47:36.280
what a great moment, you know.

882
00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:39.639
Yeah, and then he and then see the whole movie

883
00:47:39.679 --> 00:47:43.239
is Bailean learning from people and then applying it himself.

884
00:47:43.320 --> 00:47:47.599
And he then goes and knights half of Jerusalem's commoners

885
00:47:47.880 --> 00:47:50.360
and does the same thing to the little acolyte kid.

886
00:47:50.559 --> 00:47:51.599
Yeah, smacks.

887
00:47:52.880 --> 00:47:55.320
He's absorbed the lesson from the king and will not

888
00:47:55.440 --> 00:47:58.039
manipulate people, and he's absorbed the lesson from his father

889
00:47:58.199 --> 00:48:00.360
about how to be a nye. He just keeps learning

890
00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:02.960
stuff and then applying it. I want to point out

891
00:48:03.039 --> 00:48:04.639
one other thing though, that I think that we haven't

892
00:48:04.679 --> 00:48:06.599
really touched on because it's hard. There's so much right,

893
00:48:06.719 --> 00:48:09.639
so much. We got to talk about the Arab characters

894
00:48:09.960 --> 00:48:10.599
because they're.

895
00:48:10.440 --> 00:48:12.440
Okay, yeah, please Yeah.

896
00:48:12.119 --> 00:48:16.599
Al Dean, that actor's fantastic. He looks like a heavy

897
00:48:16.679 --> 00:48:18.400
he looks like he's going to be Darth Vader of

898
00:48:18.440 --> 00:48:22.000
the Desert, right, and you realize he is awesome. I

899
00:48:22.039 --> 00:48:25.000
would follow Al Dean way before I would follow half

900
00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:27.639
of the half of the Crusader guys. Right, he's so

901
00:48:27.760 --> 00:48:32.400
cool and his and his right hand man is Julian

902
00:48:32.440 --> 00:48:36.159
Bashir right from Star trek Ye. There's a great job.

903
00:48:36.320 --> 00:48:38.400
There's that whole scene in the desert when he fights

904
00:48:38.480 --> 00:48:42.119
him and he loved that moment. His bodyguard or whatever,

905
00:48:42.360 --> 00:48:45.639
he was that man. You were not that man servant.

906
00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:46.519
He was mine, you know?

907
00:48:46.599 --> 00:48:47.119
He was mine?

908
00:48:47.199 --> 00:48:51.119
Yeah, you will. Your quality will be known to your

909
00:48:51.199 --> 00:48:53.280
enemies long before you meet them. My friend, and that

910
00:48:53.320 --> 00:48:55.039
he makes an impression on him from the beginning, and

911
00:48:55.039 --> 00:48:59.039
then we and then the other interesting, really interesting Arab character,

912
00:48:59.199 --> 00:49:03.599
Muslim character is the third one. There's really three that

913
00:49:03.679 --> 00:49:06.280
we know. Right. There's there's best Year I can't I

914
00:49:06.280 --> 00:49:08.639
think people names are in terrible names. And there's Salah

915
00:49:08.639 --> 00:49:12.639
Alden and there's the guy Mark Bisquett and I when

916
00:49:12.679 --> 00:49:14.559
we reviewed this movie several years ago, we had no

917
00:49:14.639 --> 00:49:16.920
idea what to call this guy, and we settled on

918
00:49:17.000 --> 00:49:21.960
the NFL team owner of the If you think of

919
00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:25.719
the Muslim Army as like an NFL team, they've brought it.

920
00:49:25.800 --> 00:49:28.320
They say, we've brought in Salah al Din as the coach.

921
00:49:28.679 --> 00:49:30.840
You're going to coach him up and win the game. Coach,

922
00:49:31.760 --> 00:49:34.880
you report to the owner and he's like that mom

923
00:49:35.440 --> 00:49:36.159
right in black.

924
00:49:36.280 --> 00:49:38.320
Yeah, And he kind of.

925
00:49:38.280 --> 00:49:41.239
Comes in like he's Jerry Jones with the Dallas Cowboys

926
00:49:41.280 --> 00:49:43.360
and it's like, hey, I didn't run the ball up

927
00:49:43.400 --> 00:49:48.079
the middle there? What third? You know? And and and

928
00:49:48.119 --> 00:49:51.920
they have that tension between them. Yeah, it's really he's

929
00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:56.840
a very unlikable character. In fact, when Salah Alden chops

930
00:49:56.880 --> 00:50:01.400
off Reneeda Chatillon's head after after the Horns of Hatton Battle,

931
00:50:03.639 --> 00:50:06.440
Salah al Din does that like it's a duty he

932
00:50:06.480 --> 00:50:10.199
doesn't want to do, but he has to. Yep, who's

933
00:50:10.239 --> 00:50:11.760
grinning when he does it?

934
00:50:11.880 --> 00:50:17.280
The NFL Jerry Jones is right, that's exactly Jerry L.

935
00:50:17.400 --> 00:50:18.679
Jones, That's exactly.

936
00:50:19.280 --> 00:50:23.000
Yeah. I will I will agree with you, though, of

937
00:50:23.000 --> 00:50:30.800
the three Alexander sadig Uh planning is a mod the

938
00:50:30.800 --> 00:50:34.400
the friendship, the friendship that he has with with Bailien.

939
00:50:34.440 --> 00:50:39.480
Though it's it's a it kind of reminds me of

940
00:50:40.840 --> 00:50:43.800
loosely reminds me of Morgan Freeman and Kevin Costner and

941
00:50:43.840 --> 00:50:46.840
Prince of Thieves, where, yes, these are guys from different

942
00:50:46.880 --> 00:50:51.199
paths who are connected and I just I just I

943
00:50:51.239 --> 00:50:54.000
the back and forth between them is fantastic and that

944
00:50:54.320 --> 00:50:55.880
I've loved. I've been a fan of that guy's work

945
00:50:55.920 --> 00:50:58.880
since I saw him in Vertical Limit. Uh, playing one

946
00:50:58.880 --> 00:51:01.199
of the brothers that that gets gets killed on the mountain.

947
00:51:02.039 --> 00:51:05.440
Guy's incredible. Uh, He's there's something about him. He has

948
00:51:05.480 --> 00:51:09.239
such a friendly disposition. Yes that like even like this

949
00:51:09.320 --> 00:51:11.159
is this is your enemy, but you know what, let's

950
00:51:11.320 --> 00:51:13.320
let's talk a nice guy.

951
00:51:13.480 --> 00:51:17.320
They recognize in each other a person of honor, a goodness,

952
00:51:17.960 --> 00:51:21.199
and that cuts through the cuts through the organized religion aspect,

953
00:51:21.280 --> 00:51:23.760
that cuts through the my camp versus your camp. We

954
00:51:23.800 --> 00:51:27.320
respect each other. And yeah, absolutely, and if if if

955
00:51:27.360 --> 00:51:30.280
Alexander Sidig's character had been captured by the Crusaders, Baileyan

956
00:51:30.280 --> 00:51:33.000
would have been standing up for him, you know, because

957
00:51:33.079 --> 00:51:36.760
later later Saladin says, maybe you should have killed him,

958
00:51:37.480 --> 00:51:40.400
and Alexanderstek says, maybe I should have had a different teacher.

959
00:51:40.920 --> 00:51:44.239
Yeah. Another again, another another great moment. And and one

960
00:51:44.239 --> 00:51:47.679
thing I appreciate about their meeting, their initial meeting. You

961
00:51:47.719 --> 00:51:51.360
don't expect any kind of levity or comedic moments in

962
00:51:51.400 --> 00:51:54.199
this film and a film like this, right, But I

963
00:51:54.599 --> 00:51:57.079
love the idea where he's like, yeah, he's you know,

964
00:51:57.199 --> 00:51:59.159
he's He says, that's his horse. He's like, well, no,

965
00:51:59.239 --> 00:52:01.400
I got this horse from the the water.

966
00:52:02.039 --> 00:52:02.239
Yeah.

967
00:52:02.280 --> 00:52:03.400
Oh, you're gonna have to fight for it.

968
00:52:03.440 --> 00:52:08.679
Well that's so good. Yeahs later it's not a very

969
00:52:08.719 --> 00:52:09.239
good horse.

970
00:52:09.519 --> 00:52:11.119
Yeah, it's not a very good horse. He gives it

971
00:52:11.159 --> 00:52:14.599
back to very God. Yeah. I love it. Uh, Van,

972
00:52:14.639 --> 00:52:17.679
I'll ask you. I got one more, one more quick

973
00:52:17.719 --> 00:52:20.159
scene i'd like to like to talk about. But before

974
00:52:20.159 --> 00:52:21.719
I do, I want to ask you, is there is

975
00:52:21.719 --> 00:52:23.519
there any other go to scene, like any other scene

976
00:52:23.519 --> 00:52:25.000
we need to discuss before we move on.

977
00:52:26.159 --> 00:52:29.599
You know, I guess there's so many, but so many.

978
00:52:29.599 --> 00:52:33.559
I know again, I I I think it's really important

979
00:52:33.559 --> 00:52:37.719
we understand that there some people, some people have a

980
00:52:37.920 --> 00:52:39.760
we haven't talked about this. Some people have a problem

981
00:52:39.760 --> 00:52:41.639
with this movie because they say it makes the Christians

982
00:52:41.639 --> 00:52:44.960
look bad and the Muslims look good and if you're

983
00:52:45.039 --> 00:52:48.800
kind of like on Team Crusader, I could see. You know,

984
00:52:48.920 --> 00:52:52.000
I understand that, but I disagree because there are Christians

985
00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:53.320
in it that are good and bad, and there are

986
00:52:53.360 --> 00:52:54.920
Muslims in it that are good and bad. That's why

987
00:52:55.000 --> 00:52:56.880
Jerry Jones is in it. He's a bad Muslim.

988
00:52:56.880 --> 00:52:57.960
He's a bad Muslim.

989
00:52:58.159 --> 00:53:01.199
He's a bad Muslim. But I love that at the

990
00:53:01.400 --> 00:53:04.599
end when they when the when the Muslim army takes

991
00:53:04.639 --> 00:53:08.519
the city, Salah al Din is very respectful. Right, they're

992
00:53:08.519 --> 00:53:11.079
tearing down the banners and everything, but he walks around

993
00:53:11.079 --> 00:53:14.199
the cross. He picks up the cross thing on the counter.

994
00:53:14.639 --> 00:53:16.719
I mean, they knew all of that basically to show

995
00:53:17.800 --> 00:53:20.119
he he he had to take over the city. He

996
00:53:20.159 --> 00:53:22.119
was absolutely It's like winning the Super Bowl for him.

997
00:53:22.119 --> 00:53:24.239
He's gonna get fired if he doesn't know, may be killed,

998
00:53:24.880 --> 00:53:27.519
but he's not gonna burn down the opponent stadium. He

999
00:53:27.639 --> 00:53:28.760
respects the other team.

1000
00:53:29.760 --> 00:53:34.280
Let's let's talk about burning down the stadium because you know, again,

1001
00:53:34.519 --> 00:53:36.519
another moment, and this isn't even the moment I wanted

1002
00:53:36.519 --> 00:53:38.840
to end on, but you know, I love where after

1003
00:53:39.039 --> 00:53:41.360
you know, we're on day three of the siege and

1004
00:53:41.400 --> 00:53:44.920
here comes the white flag from U from the Muslims.

1005
00:53:45.599 --> 00:53:47.559
So I'm like, you know, and we haven't seen this

1006
00:53:47.559 --> 00:53:49.559
in a while. You're like, oh, wait, is that?

1007
00:53:49.679 --> 00:53:49.880
Is that?

1008
00:53:49.920 --> 00:53:52.280
What happened? Do they did? They give up? They go

1009
00:53:52.320 --> 00:53:54.639
out there to say, hey, look, you know what's done

1010
00:53:54.760 --> 00:53:57.920
is done. Let's you know, take safe paths pass to

1011
00:53:58.039 --> 00:54:00.000
just leave and Landa Bloom has that great moment where

1012
00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:03.119
he's like, before I'm gone, I will burn this place

1013
00:54:03.159 --> 00:54:07.280
to the ground. Every stone will fall, you know, just

1014
00:54:07.360 --> 00:54:13.000
intent on not giving in. And and Saladin's he's honorable.

1015
00:54:13.039 --> 00:54:14.679
He's like, look, it doesn't have to be this way.

1016
00:54:14.760 --> 00:54:18.639
Let's just you take safe passage, just you know, concede,

1017
00:54:19.199 --> 00:54:21.840
and he does. And it's a good moment between the two.

1018
00:54:22.400 --> 00:54:25.239
Yeah, obviously, I think it's the I love the way

1019
00:54:26.360 --> 00:54:29.679
sal Aldine's act the actor in those name. I love

1020
00:54:29.719 --> 00:54:32.880
how he plays that, which is when when Bailean says,

1021
00:54:32.960 --> 00:54:35.199
I'll burn it all down, I'll destroy every stone, will

1022
00:54:35.280 --> 00:54:38.079
rip everything down, Your holy place is ours whatever, and

1023
00:54:38.119 --> 00:54:41.000
Saladin's kind of like then it comes like a business negotiation,

1024
00:54:41.159 --> 00:54:44.960
right because again salal Din, he he says, what is

1025
00:54:45.039 --> 00:54:47.079
Jerusalem worth? Nothing?

1026
00:54:47.159 --> 00:54:47.519
Nothing?

1027
00:54:48.440 --> 00:54:52.079
Everything? Everything all right. Well he when when Baileyan says

1028
00:54:52.079 --> 00:54:54.119
I'm gonna do all this, Saladeen's kind of like he's

1029
00:54:54.119 --> 00:54:57.840
in in the go. He's like, okay, so you're gonna

1030
00:54:57.880 --> 00:55:00.360
tear it all down? Then, like I need you just

1031
00:55:00.360 --> 00:55:02.480
say that, Yeah, so I can go back to my

1032
00:55:02.639 --> 00:55:04.679
boss and say, yeah, I had to let him go.

1033
00:55:04.760 --> 00:55:06.840
They were going to destroy it, you know what I mean. Yeah,

1034
00:55:07.119 --> 00:55:10.599
just from his subtle performance there, you it conveys the

1035
00:55:10.599 --> 00:55:13.159
sense that Salaudin wants to let him go and he

1036
00:55:13.280 --> 00:55:17.239
needs a reason, and Bailean gives him the reason to

1037
00:55:17.360 --> 00:55:18.840
let them go, which is I had to let him

1038
00:55:18.880 --> 00:55:20.639
go because otherwise they were going to destroy the whole thing.

1039
00:55:20.719 --> 00:55:22.519
So and my hands are tied boss.

1040
00:55:22.800 --> 00:55:24.559
Yeah, and let's talk about this humanity for a minute,

1041
00:55:24.559 --> 00:55:27.559
because he reminds he has to remind Baillion, you know

1042
00:55:27.599 --> 00:55:30.440
you got a lot of women and children in there. Okay,

1043
00:55:30.480 --> 00:55:33.039
and then it kind of it's clicking, but like you said,

1044
00:55:33.079 --> 00:55:36.280
it's a business transaction. Okay, yeah, good, good point, Salaudine. Okay,

1045
00:55:36.920 --> 00:55:39.360
you know what, we'll we'll we'll leave, we'll we'll take it.

1046
00:55:41.280 --> 00:55:45.519
One last scene. Uh and it's and it's the last scene.

1047
00:55:46.360 --> 00:55:50.000
Baillion meeting King Richard the Lionheart. At the film's end,

1048
00:55:50.840 --> 00:55:55.800
m the epic quote, I am the Blacksmith man. What

1049
00:55:55.840 --> 00:55:57.920
a what an incredible way to end this film.

1050
00:55:57.960 --> 00:56:00.800
Man, I'm glad you mentioned in the because there's two

1051
00:56:00.840 --> 00:56:03.880
things I want to mention there. Yes, I love I

1052
00:56:03.920 --> 00:56:07.400
love that. It's the guy that we saw in Uh

1053
00:56:07.639 --> 00:56:10.440
it's the greyscale guy from Game of Thrones.

1054
00:56:10.519 --> 00:56:11.119
Game of Thrones.

1055
00:56:11.199 --> 00:56:15.920
Yeahs as I'm the King of England Blacksmith. He's like,

1056
00:56:16.039 --> 00:56:20.199
I'm done. Yeah, you can see Richard Loinehart looks at

1057
00:56:20.239 --> 00:56:25.360
him like right, yeah, So that looked like sure you

1058
00:56:25.360 --> 00:56:26.159
you're not Baileyen.

1059
00:56:26.239 --> 00:56:30.039
He's like, now I'm the Blacksmith all right.

1060
00:56:30.159 --> 00:56:32.000
And it's funny because at the beginning of the movie

1061
00:56:32.039 --> 00:56:35.159
he ends up chasing after the party that comes through

1062
00:56:35.199 --> 00:56:37.840
looking for him. This time he's like, no, been there,

1063
00:56:37.920 --> 00:56:40.280
done that. You guys have fun storm in the castle.

1064
00:56:40.360 --> 00:56:44.719
I'm going to stay here now. I love that, And

1065
00:56:44.719 --> 00:56:46.800
and that put put a pin in that because there's

1066
00:56:46.800 --> 00:56:48.599
something very important I got to mention there. But I

1067
00:56:48.639 --> 00:56:52.639
also want to mention the end when he rides he God,

1068
00:56:52.679 --> 00:56:56.480
there's so much about this. Early on it shows Baalien's

1069
00:56:56.800 --> 00:57:00.639
wife planting the tree. Yes, and the whole time it's

1070
00:57:00.679 --> 00:57:04.079
winter and the tree is dead like his wife.

1071
00:57:04.880 --> 00:57:05.119
Yes.

1072
00:57:05.199 --> 00:57:08.920
But at the end he's at the crossroads. Well before

1073
00:57:08.920 --> 00:57:11.719
he's at the crossroads at the end there the tree

1074
00:57:11.760 --> 00:57:15.480
has bloomed, the little tree she planet has bloomed. And

1075
00:57:15.519 --> 00:57:18.800
he's at the crossroads kind of saying goodbye to her.

1076
00:57:18.840 --> 00:57:20.400
And then he gets on his horse and who comes

1077
00:57:20.440 --> 00:57:24.599
up but Eva Green. She's learned how to stop. She said,

1078
00:57:24.599 --> 00:57:27.400
when you can stop being a queen, I'll be here

1079
00:57:27.440 --> 00:57:27.800
for you.

1080
00:57:28.119 --> 00:57:28.320
Yeah.

1081
00:57:28.360 --> 00:57:31.119
And they ride together. And there was two versions of that.

1082
00:57:31.239 --> 00:57:33.480
One version he wrote off by himself. She wasn't there,

1083
00:57:34.079 --> 00:57:36.880
and they're terrible. Yeah, they tested it with audiences and

1084
00:57:36.920 --> 00:57:39.480
audiences liked it better that she goes with him and

1085
00:57:39.519 --> 00:57:41.639
they ride off into the sunset together, which I think

1086
00:57:41.719 --> 00:57:44.079
is absolutely the right choice.

1087
00:57:45.079 --> 00:57:48.320
We needed that for Baillion, you know, because we know

1088
00:57:48.519 --> 00:57:54.360
the whole reason he accepts Godfrey's offer to go to

1089
00:57:54.440 --> 00:57:58.000
Jerusalem is will I be absolved of my sins? Will

1090
00:57:58.000 --> 00:57:59.400
my wife? Can I absolve my wife?

1091
00:57:59.480 --> 00:57:59.800
Wife?

1092
00:58:00.239 --> 00:58:02.840
That's it. He's doing this. This whole thing is just

1093
00:58:03.599 --> 00:58:05.599
to absolve his wife. He can't the the idea of

1094
00:58:05.679 --> 00:58:09.079
him of his wife in hell, you know, without her head.

1095
00:58:09.280 --> 00:58:12.480
As Michael she once said, he can't he can't handle that,

1096
00:58:12.840 --> 00:58:16.320
you know, And I love that he has that tender moment,

1097
00:58:16.440 --> 00:58:18.400
you know, when he's thinking about her in Jurisom. He's like,

1098
00:58:18.440 --> 00:58:20.519
how can how can you be in hell when when

1099
00:58:20.559 --> 00:58:23.800
you're in here? And he points at his heart. So yeah,

1100
00:58:23.840 --> 00:58:26.480
and we need this guy needs a happy ending. Come on,

1101
00:58:26.679 --> 00:58:29.079
he's saying goodbye to her there at the end, he's

1102
00:58:29.119 --> 00:58:32.400
moving forward. Yeah, and all right, I got and and

1103
00:58:32.440 --> 00:58:33.840
then the one last thing I got to read I

1104
00:58:33.840 --> 00:58:34.400
put the pen in.

1105
00:58:34.440 --> 00:58:38.400
It was when the King came by. Because here's the

1106
00:58:38.440 --> 00:58:41.280
other fact to what I love about this. Really, Scott

1107
00:58:41.320 --> 00:58:44.519
then did Robin Hood. People hated that movie because it's

1108
00:58:44.519 --> 00:58:45.599
not a Robin Hood movie.

1109
00:58:45.639 --> 00:58:47.039
And it's not a Robin Hood movie.

1110
00:58:47.159 --> 00:58:49.480
You know what it is though. It's the sequel to

1111
00:58:49.559 --> 00:58:53.079
Kingdom of Heaven because it picks up with Richard the

1112
00:58:53.159 --> 00:58:57.599
Lionheart on his way back. This movie ends with him

1113
00:58:57.599 --> 00:59:00.039
on his way to the Holy Land to fight, and

1114
00:59:00.119 --> 00:59:02.719
Robin Hood picks up with him same character on his

1115
00:59:02.760 --> 00:59:06.239
way back. And if you watch him back to back,

1116
00:59:06.440 --> 00:59:10.559
it's spectacular. It is the unofficial sequel are.

1117
00:59:10.400 --> 00:59:12.519
You creating a double feature that I got to watch now?

1118
00:59:13.119 --> 00:59:13.519
I am.

1119
00:59:13.679 --> 00:59:15.840
I'm telling you. If you watch them back to back,

1120
00:59:16.639 --> 00:59:20.880
the director's cut of both, it's it's like Baileyan steps

1121
00:59:20.880 --> 00:59:23.760
off the stage and Russell Crowe's character, Robin Hood steps on,

1122
00:59:24.039 --> 00:59:26.239
and it carries on basically the same kind of story.

1123
00:59:26.559 --> 00:59:28.920
It works so well back to back if you just

1124
00:59:29.000 --> 00:59:30.840
don't think of it as a Robin Hood movie, just

1125
00:59:30.840 --> 00:59:32.159
think of as what happened next?

1126
00:59:32.159 --> 00:59:34.559
After all, I think of it as a Crusade movie. Yeah, okay, No,

1127
00:59:34.639 --> 00:59:36.920
I gotta watch it because you know, I've just watched

1128
00:59:36.960 --> 00:59:38.800
this one recently. I'm ready. I'm ready for it because

1129
00:59:38.800 --> 00:59:43.239
I liked Russell Crow's Robin Hood. Didn't love it, right,

1130
00:59:43.920 --> 00:59:45.480
but you might have. You might have just given me

1131
00:59:45.480 --> 00:59:48.800
a new path forward. You know, I might have to

1132
00:59:48.840 --> 00:59:49.079
love it.

1133
00:59:49.119 --> 00:59:53.280
Now. That's it. People wanted, you know, the old the

1134
00:59:53.320 --> 00:59:57.280
standard Robin Hood story, the Kevin Costner, the Eryl Flynn,

1135
00:59:57.360 --> 00:59:59.880
and I get that completely. Yeah, it doesn't work in

1136
01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:03.519
that way, but it works as the next chapter in

1137
01:00:03.599 --> 01:00:04.719
the Kingdom of Heaven story.

1138
01:00:05.199 --> 01:00:08.679
All right, Well, let's take one last break and then

1139
01:00:08.719 --> 01:00:10.639
when we come back, Van and I will talk a

1140
01:00:10.679 --> 01:00:16.840
little bit about Ridley Scott. Welcome back. It is time

1141
01:00:16.920 --> 01:00:19.639
to discuss Ridley Scott van a new thing we started

1142
01:00:19.639 --> 01:00:22.480
doing this season. I said, I giving you the book report,

1143
01:00:22.519 --> 01:00:24.760
which well, as a professor, you probably would have preferred

1144
01:00:24.760 --> 01:00:27.920
the book report, you know, to grade. But let's talk

1145
01:00:27.960 --> 01:00:32.119
three facts, bits of trivia if you will, and maybe

1146
01:00:32.159 --> 01:00:36.480
a quote from Ridley Scott. So first one I got

1147
01:00:36.480 --> 01:00:40.400
for you when you take into account the just how

1148
01:00:40.400 --> 01:00:43.480
overwhelming this film is. You know how many people are involved.

1149
01:00:44.199 --> 01:00:48.079
Oh yeah, it's all about who you know. King Mohammed

1150
01:00:48.280 --> 01:00:52.280
the sixth of Morocco happens to be a close personal

1151
01:00:52.320 --> 01:00:55.599
friend of Ridley Scott's, which is why he personally provided

1152
01:00:55.679 --> 01:01:00.039
a detachment of fifteen hundred personnel with equipment for the

1153
01:01:00.079 --> 01:01:03.760
film Military personnel. Mind you when you got that card

1154
01:01:03.800 --> 01:01:06.320
in your back pocket and you're looking at Fox, so hey,

1155
01:01:06.360 --> 01:01:08.599
don't worry about extras. I got it covered. King of

1156
01:01:08.599 --> 01:01:12.760
Morocco is a friend. We got this. How amazing is that? Right?

1157
01:01:13.320 --> 01:01:17.000
Yeah? That's nice. I mean, yeah, it's it's interesting the

1158
01:01:17.039 --> 01:01:20.199
countries that have provided extras in war movies. Poland provided

1159
01:01:20.239 --> 01:01:24.960
all the soldiers in Waterloo, and and it was the

1160
01:01:25.000 --> 01:01:28.480
Irish in saving Private Ryne on Normandy Beach, and so

1161
01:01:28.599 --> 01:01:31.719
you got all these Moroccans love it.

1162
01:01:31.760 --> 01:01:34.000
And what's funny is depending on the day, you know

1163
01:01:34.159 --> 01:01:39.400
what scene we're shooting these Moroccans. Some days they're playing Crusaders,

1164
01:01:39.400 --> 01:01:42.239
some days they're playing Muslims. It's just you know, like, oh,

1165
01:01:42.760 --> 01:01:45.519
which costume am I putting on this morning? I think

1166
01:01:45.559 --> 01:01:52.679
it's fantastic. Ridley Scott has long suffered from claustrophobia, like

1167
01:01:52.760 --> 01:01:56.719
his entire life, and he used this as a device

1168
01:01:57.119 --> 01:02:01.239
to evoke fear in nineteen seventy nine eight Alien by

1169
01:02:01.280 --> 01:02:04.880
making sure the interiors of the Nostromo were very tight,

1170
01:02:04.960 --> 01:02:07.679
closed quarters and felt cramped. And think about it, when

1171
01:02:07.719 --> 01:02:11.760
you watch that movie, everything just feels claustrophobic like that.

1172
01:02:11.920 --> 01:02:14.599
You know, even the xenomorph it's always hiding right there

1173
01:02:14.639 --> 01:02:17.599
in the shadows up on the ledge or in the

1174
01:02:18.199 --> 01:02:21.440
It's a creepy feeling, right, And he wants you to

1175
01:02:21.440 --> 01:02:24.760
feel claustrophobic. It's a fear of his. He wants to

1176
01:02:25.480 --> 01:02:28.519
He wants you to have that same fear. So you know,

1177
01:02:28.679 --> 01:02:30.239
look for that, And like next time you watch Realley

1178
01:02:30.239 --> 01:02:32.760
Scott movie, look look for that. If it's a moment

1179
01:02:32.760 --> 01:02:34.800
where you need to have a little bit of fear,

1180
01:02:35.719 --> 01:02:38.840
or if it's a if it's a scary film, chances

1181
01:02:38.880 --> 01:02:42.519
are you're gonna see claustrophobia in it. Another one for you,

1182
01:02:43.559 --> 01:02:46.519
and you know I love a good love story. Early on,

1183
01:02:47.199 --> 01:02:50.559
during his work directing commercials before he's a feature film director,

1184
01:02:51.280 --> 01:02:54.719
he directed one for Maxwell House Coffee which start a

1185
01:02:54.760 --> 01:03:02.639
young woman named Shakira. No, not that Shakira, but when

1186
01:03:02.639 --> 01:03:05.800
Michael Kane saw this commercial, he was so taken with

1187
01:03:05.840 --> 01:03:10.360
her that he worked tiressly to find her and van

1188
01:03:10.440 --> 01:03:12.639
As of today, they've been married more than thirty years.

1189
01:03:12.679 --> 01:03:16.800
I'm talking about Shakira King. What how about that she

1190
01:03:16.840 --> 01:03:18.679
shows up at a Ridley Scott commercial and the next

1191
01:03:18.719 --> 01:03:22.039
thing you know, Michael Kine is waking up and having

1192
01:03:22.039 --> 01:03:22.719
coffee with her.

1193
01:03:23.079 --> 01:03:25.719
The next thing to shake her hips though, that's the question.

1194
01:03:25.880 --> 01:03:31.440
We only Michael Kine would know. I think, and related

1195
01:03:31.519 --> 01:03:37.440
to that a quote, a little quick quote for you.

1196
01:03:37.440 --> 01:03:40.920
You don't see sex scenes in a Ridley Scott movie. Ever,

1197
01:03:41.800 --> 01:03:46.800
there's a reason Ridley. I'm quoting Ridley as saying sex

1198
01:03:47.039 --> 01:03:49.480
is boring unless you're doing it.

1199
01:03:51.440 --> 01:03:54.440
That's a good line and it's true because there's one

1200
01:03:54.559 --> 01:03:57.480
kind of love scene in this movie, and every time

1201
01:03:57.519 --> 01:03:59.199
we come to it in my class, I'm like, all right,

1202
01:03:59.239 --> 01:04:01.239
this won't be bad and it'll be over in like

1203
01:04:01.280 --> 01:04:04.079
thirty seconds, which is I guess what what Orlando Bloom

1204
01:04:04.079 --> 01:04:08.119
probably tells even Green and uh and uh, so just

1205
01:04:08.159 --> 01:04:10.079
stand by. It'll be all right. And that's about his

1206
01:04:10.480 --> 01:04:13.039
I mean, because you did need something showing that they

1207
01:04:13.039 --> 01:04:16.400
had a relationship. They need something, but he doesn't overdo

1208
01:04:16.440 --> 01:04:20.199
it at all. It's very form does he didn't, Yeah, didn't.

1209
01:04:20.239 --> 01:04:20.440
Yeah?

1210
01:04:20.480 --> 01:04:20.519
He.

1211
01:04:21.039 --> 01:04:24.400
I think he does a great job of showing intimate

1212
01:04:24.440 --> 01:04:27.239
moments so you get the idea, but we don't need

1213
01:04:27.280 --> 01:04:29.199
to see what's what's going on before or after. You know,

1214
01:04:29.599 --> 01:04:32.400
think about in g I Jane when to me more

1215
01:04:33.239 --> 01:04:35.679
and uh and her boyfriend. They're just sitting in the

1216
01:04:35.719 --> 01:04:40.239
bathtub together, you know, like you know, it's just it's

1217
01:04:40.280 --> 01:04:42.639
it's a tender moment. It shows that they're they're close.

1218
01:04:42.719 --> 01:04:46.719
It shows intimacy without showing the act. I did. I

1219
01:04:46.719 --> 01:04:47.679
didn't really like that.

1220
01:04:48.480 --> 01:04:50.639
Yeah, I like that. When Baileyan and the Queen have

1221
01:04:50.719 --> 01:04:54.159
their little romance scene, just as you think it's starting

1222
01:04:54.239 --> 01:04:57.000
to get steamy, it cuts immediately to the Templer knights

1223
01:04:57.000 --> 01:05:03.599
on their horses attacking the caravan, and you just moving on. Yeah,

1224
01:05:01.199 --> 01:05:06.039
all right, let's as we wrap up here. Van.

1225
01:05:07.039 --> 01:05:10.920
You know, we've been asking this question recently and I've

1226
01:05:10.960 --> 01:05:13.599
never had any any trouble answering this one, but today

1227
01:05:13.760 --> 01:05:18.039
I am. I am perplexed. So I'm gonna I'm gonna

1228
01:05:18.079 --> 01:05:23.320
let you start. If someone was unfamiliar with this director,

1229
01:05:24.199 --> 01:05:27.800
which three films would you suggest they watch?

1230
01:05:28.719 --> 01:05:31.199
Well, we're leaving Kingdom of Heaven directors cut out right,

1231
01:05:31.199 --> 01:05:34.519
because that's the one we're talking about, So three others.

1232
01:05:34.800 --> 01:05:36.559
Okay, I'll tell you what. I'll give you that. Like

1233
01:05:36.599 --> 01:05:39.239
they they're like, hey, I just saw this movie, Kingdom

1234
01:05:39.239 --> 01:05:41.480
of Heaven. I love it. What else? What else should

1235
01:05:41.480 --> 01:05:41.760
I watch?

1236
01:05:41.920 --> 01:05:42.159
You know what?

1237
01:05:42.280 --> 01:05:43.559
Moving forward? That's how we're going to do it, Van,

1238
01:05:43.639 --> 01:05:45.400
because I like that. Thank you.

1239
01:05:46.119 --> 01:05:48.360
Well, you don't want to diss the one we just

1240
01:05:48.400 --> 01:05:49.960
talked about. I would have to include it, but I

1241
01:05:50.039 --> 01:05:51.760
was just trying to think of three others. So okay, yeah,

1242
01:05:51.760 --> 01:05:54.639
I'll give you It's it's fun because there's so many

1243
01:05:54.840 --> 01:05:58.000
and and it's funny because it's only been in like

1244
01:05:58.039 --> 01:06:00.800
the last three or four years. That I have realized.

1245
01:06:00.920 --> 01:06:03.920
I'm a Ridley Scott fan. He's one of these directors

1246
01:06:03.920 --> 01:06:08.079
that does different projects. He's not like, you know, like

1247
01:06:08.159 --> 01:06:11.079
all the Scorsese movies are pretty much mob movies, and

1248
01:06:11.119 --> 01:06:13.000
they're very they have the same feel, you know, all

1249
01:06:13.039 --> 01:06:15.639
the George Lucan every there's most of these directors. They

1250
01:06:15.719 --> 01:06:18.599
kind of do the same sort of things usually. And

1251
01:06:19.039 --> 01:06:22.360
Scott is so broad that if you didn't know it

1252
01:06:22.400 --> 01:06:24.480
was a really Scott movie, you might not ever know

1253
01:06:24.559 --> 01:06:26.639
it was a really Scott movie, you know, just watching

1254
01:06:26.679 --> 01:06:31.360
it without the credits, and so like, I.

1255
01:06:30.480 --> 01:06:32.599
Would you think Thelma Louise is a is a Ridley

1256
01:06:32.639 --> 01:06:34.400
Scott film, because I sure wouldn't you know?

1257
01:06:34.480 --> 01:06:34.679
Which?

1258
01:06:36.159 --> 01:06:41.159
Yeah, with the same guy directed Alien and the Last

1259
01:06:41.320 --> 01:06:45.559
Duel and Elma Louise and like black Hawk down right,

1260
01:06:46.880 --> 01:06:49.320
he's all over the map place. Yeah, And so I

1261
01:06:49.440 --> 01:06:51.440
never had anything to kind of hang on to and

1262
01:06:51.480 --> 01:06:55.440
go I like that. But after enough of them, I

1263
01:06:55.480 --> 01:06:59.400
got to a critical mass of there's a whole bunch

1264
01:06:59.440 --> 01:07:01.079
of movies that have nothing to do each other, but

1265
01:07:01.119 --> 01:07:03.360
I like all of them. That's really Scott. I must

1266
01:07:03.400 --> 01:07:06.159
be really Scott fan. Who knew, you know, Yeah, it

1267
01:07:06.159 --> 01:07:09.559
creeps up on you. So so it's that's why it's

1268
01:07:09.559 --> 01:07:11.840
so hard, because it's all over the play. As my

1269
01:07:11.920 --> 01:07:14.400
daughter would say, I became a low key Ridley Scott fan.

1270
01:07:14.920 --> 01:07:18.760
But but I I kind of you know, I feel

1271
01:07:18.800 --> 01:07:20.519
like you have to include Blade Runner because he basically

1272
01:07:20.519 --> 01:07:24.440
created a genre or certainly define it for film. Okay,

1273
01:07:24.480 --> 01:07:26.800
I mean, I don't want to leave out alien And

1274
01:07:26.880 --> 01:07:29.000
I mentioned the Robin Hood movie, but it works really

1275
01:07:29.039 --> 01:07:32.199
more as like a sequel than as its own movie.

1276
01:07:33.119 --> 01:07:37.760
I finally watched The Duelists, his first movie. Yeah, don't

1277
01:07:37.800 --> 01:07:41.360
love it. It's kind of boring, but I like that

1278
01:07:41.400 --> 01:07:44.559
he kind of came back around decades later and did

1279
01:07:44.559 --> 01:07:46.960
the Last Duel because it's clear that he wanted to

1280
01:07:46.960 --> 01:07:49.639
do a movie about two guys having a duel. Yeah,

1281
01:07:49.639 --> 01:07:53.960
and Theist just wasn't it. It's not great, I don't know,

1282
01:07:54.679 --> 01:07:57.360
but but you go back around and watch the Last

1283
01:07:57.440 --> 01:07:59.719
Duel and it's really really good. I thought, that's the

1284
01:07:59.760 --> 01:08:02.639
Matt Damon yep and.

1285
01:08:02.840 --> 01:08:05.000
Matt Damon and Kylo Wren.

1286
01:08:06.800 --> 01:08:10.079
Yeah, yeah, like a few years earlier, and it would

1287
01:08:10.079 --> 01:08:14.280
have been a weird Matt Damon Ben Affleck medievoing movie.

1288
01:08:14.840 --> 01:08:15.039
Yeah.

1289
01:08:15.119 --> 01:08:18.720
And then it's got uh. It's got the great actress

1290
01:08:18.760 --> 01:08:22.239
that was going to play Josephine in his Napoleon movie,

1291
01:08:22.279 --> 01:08:23.760
but she ended up not being able to do it,

1292
01:08:23.800 --> 01:08:27.720
and that's how, uh Kirby got pulled in instead. Okay,

1293
01:08:28.279 --> 01:08:30.760
it's it's uh. I can't even think of anybody's name,

1294
01:08:30.840 --> 01:08:31.359
but she was.

1295
01:08:32.199 --> 01:08:33.600
You got me think of Vanessa Kirby, and I know

1296
01:08:33.640 --> 01:08:34.840
that's not right because you just said.

1297
01:08:34.680 --> 01:08:37.640
Yeah, Vanessa Kirby ends up taking the Josephine role because

1298
01:08:38.159 --> 01:08:42.319
Jody Comber couldn't. That's it. Yeah, yeah, Jody Comber. I

1299
01:08:42.319 --> 01:08:44.399
mean really, Scott fell in love with her, used her

1300
01:08:44.439 --> 01:08:46.399
in the Last Duel, was gonna use her in Napoleon,

1301
01:08:46.479 --> 01:08:51.000
but she couldn't. She's been available, she's yeah, so she's

1302
01:08:51.039 --> 01:08:54.399
the killing Zoe or something killing that. There's a TV

1303
01:08:54.439 --> 01:08:55.439
show that Jody Comer was.

1304
01:08:55.359 --> 01:08:57.680
I think, I think so, yeah, well she was great

1305
01:08:57.920 --> 01:08:59.359
recently in the in the Bike Riders.

1306
01:09:00.279 --> 01:09:03.960
Yes, yeah, really really good. So anyway, I feel like

1307
01:09:03.960 --> 01:09:05.079
you gotta say Blade Runner.

1308
01:09:05.479 --> 01:09:06.640
Okay, I mean The Martian.

1309
01:09:06.760 --> 01:09:07.279
How can you not?

1310
01:09:07.439 --> 01:09:08.720
The Martians an awesome movie.

1311
01:09:08.720 --> 01:09:09.960
It's a totally love The Martian.

1312
01:09:10.720 --> 01:09:13.840
All right, so we got you're giving us Blade Runner,

1313
01:09:14.239 --> 01:09:17.479
The Martian, and then one more? Are you going with

1314
01:09:18.239 --> 01:09:19.199
the last door? You know?

1315
01:09:20.279 --> 01:09:23.600
Well, see, here's the thing. Prometheus is an awful movie,

1316
01:09:23.600 --> 01:09:24.399
but I love it.

1317
01:09:25.239 --> 01:09:27.920
I will not apologize for loving Prometheus.

1318
01:09:27.920 --> 01:09:29.960
I'm so brain dead, but it's awesome.

1319
01:09:30.000 --> 01:09:30.840
It's gorgeous.

1320
01:09:31.279 --> 01:09:33.760
Yeah, it has the greatest trailer in the history movies.

1321
01:09:33.800 --> 01:09:36.279
In my opinion, that Prometheus trailer is ten times better

1322
01:09:36.279 --> 01:09:38.239
than the movie and made me want to see it.

1323
01:09:38.279 --> 01:09:39.880
I'm like, I'm not even a big alien fan, and

1324
01:09:39.920 --> 01:09:41.800
I saw that Prometheus trailer, like, I gotta see this.

1325
01:09:41.800 --> 01:09:42.479
This looks awesome.

1326
01:09:42.600 --> 01:09:46.119
So it's so good. But yeah, I'm I guess I'm

1327
01:09:46.159 --> 01:09:48.000
gonna go with the last duel just because it works

1328
01:09:48.039 --> 01:09:50.119
better as a movie. But there's so many it's hard.

1329
01:09:50.119 --> 01:09:52.000
It's hard. It's hard. It's hard to say. Okay, so

1330
01:09:52.439 --> 01:09:55.520
let me uh, you know you you gave your three.

1331
01:09:55.720 --> 01:09:57.279
I'll uh, I'll try and pick up. I'll try and

1332
01:09:57.279 --> 01:09:59.720
fill in the gaps here for you. I gotta go

1333
01:09:59.760 --> 01:10:03.439
with A. I love the Love the franchise, it all,

1334
01:10:03.600 --> 01:10:07.600
It all starts in nineteen seventy nine. Uh. I love

1335
01:10:07.640 --> 01:10:10.159
one thing that Ridley is great at and he does

1336
01:10:10.199 --> 01:10:12.039
this time and time again. He does it in Kingdom

1337
01:10:12.079 --> 01:10:17.279
of Heaven Is he creates a strong female character. You're

1338
01:10:17.279 --> 01:10:19.439
not gonna see the damsel in distress often in a

1339
01:10:19.520 --> 01:10:23.760
Ridley Scott movie. You're gonna see the hero and she's

1340
01:10:23.800 --> 01:10:27.880
gonna be a badass female like like like like ale

1341
01:10:28.079 --> 01:10:32.520
Ellen j Ripley in in Alien. So Alien, Uh, It's

1342
01:10:32.720 --> 01:10:36.520
it's a haunted house movie in space. It's awesome, it's timeless.

1343
01:10:37.119 --> 01:10:40.000
It's just as good and scary today as it was

1344
01:10:41.039 --> 01:10:46.399
forty five years ago. So I'm with that one. Gladiator, Uh,

1345
01:10:46.560 --> 01:10:49.960
Van we got we got Gladiator Too coming out and

1346
01:10:50.119 --> 01:10:54.159
like just like like a week from now, so we gotta,

1347
01:10:54.199 --> 01:10:56.720
I gotta, I gotta go back to Gladiator. It's it's

1348
01:10:56.800 --> 01:11:00.880
just it's a it's cinematic. It's cinematic. It's one of

1349
01:11:00.880 --> 01:11:04.359
the best shot films I've ever seen. Hans Zimmer's scores spectacular,

1350
01:11:04.520 --> 01:11:09.439
made Russell Crowe a superstar. Right, It's everything you want,

1351
01:11:09.600 --> 01:11:12.840
And you know you've set a high bar with Gladiator.

1352
01:11:13.159 --> 01:11:15.319
For Gladiator Too, I don't know what Denzel can do

1353
01:11:15.479 --> 01:11:18.840
to win us over, but I'm excited to see it

1354
01:11:18.880 --> 01:11:20.640
next week. So you know, I hope you are too.

1355
01:11:21.079 --> 01:11:25.239
So I'm gonna go Gladiator. And then lastly, another film

1356
01:11:25.399 --> 01:11:28.600
that was shot in the same location as Kingdom of

1357
01:11:28.640 --> 01:11:33.000
Heaven and you mentioned it earlier, Black Hawk Down. This

1358
01:11:33.079 --> 01:11:36.000
is this is an amazing situation where you have an

1359
01:11:36.159 --> 01:11:38.520
ensemble cast, like you go back and watch it now

1360
01:11:39.119 --> 01:11:41.520
and you can pick out like twenty guys that are

1361
01:11:41.560 --> 01:11:45.000
superstars now that we're probably nobody's when it first came out.

1362
01:11:45.000 --> 01:11:48.800
You know, I'm looking at you, Hugh McGregor, so so

1363
01:11:48.880 --> 01:11:52.560
many people in this film. It's it's it's based on

1364
01:11:52.640 --> 01:11:55.920
a true story, and it's everything you want. It's tense,

1365
01:11:55.960 --> 01:12:00.279
it's gripping, it's it's dramatic. So if some one came

1366
01:12:00.319 --> 01:12:03.199
to me and said, hey, Ridley Scott, what do you got,

1367
01:12:03.319 --> 01:12:06.239
I would I would say, go see Alien, go see Gladiator,

1368
01:12:06.359 --> 01:12:09.239
go see Black Hawk Down. That's that's my three. So

1369
01:12:09.960 --> 01:12:12.199
I like that. I like that your three my three.

1370
01:12:12.560 --> 01:12:14.399
You know now now they got six movies to watch,

1371
01:12:15.000 --> 01:12:17.039
and uh, truly, truly, there's I don't think there's a

1372
01:12:17.039 --> 01:12:19.800
bad you know, you could have said match Stickman and

1373
01:12:19.800 --> 01:12:23.600
I would have said absolutely, Sam Rockwall's brilliant into that.

1374
01:12:23.760 --> 01:12:27.760
So there's no wrong answers here. I think Honestly, man,

1375
01:12:27.800 --> 01:12:29.920
I think it's safe to say I know the answer

1376
01:12:29.960 --> 01:12:33.720
to this question. But uh, your final thoughts on Kingdom

1377
01:12:33.720 --> 01:12:36.720
of Heaven and uh and your recommendation whether or not

1378
01:12:36.760 --> 01:12:39.640
you would want to see this, Uh, keep in mind

1379
01:12:39.680 --> 01:12:41.840
you teach it, you teach a class about it.

1380
01:12:42.159 --> 01:12:44.479
Yeah, get to watch it at least once or twice

1381
01:12:44.479 --> 01:12:46.720
every semester, so three or four times a year, just

1382
01:12:46.800 --> 01:12:50.600
like Gandhi. And my daughter was wanting to see it,

1383
01:12:50.880 --> 01:12:53.720
and so we've we've been watching it at home too

1384
01:12:54.279 --> 01:12:56.920
this long obviously, so she'll lose interest and then come back.

1385
01:12:56.960 --> 01:12:58.560
But I got to tell you one other thing about

1386
01:12:58.600 --> 01:13:01.560
it recommends it is that that keeps recommending it to people,

1387
01:13:02.399 --> 01:13:04.760
is I have various because it has such great quotes.

1388
01:13:04.800 --> 01:13:06.760
As we've talked about, there's so many great quotes from it,

1389
01:13:06.840 --> 01:13:09.279
lines from it. You know, I do a college football

1390
01:13:09.319 --> 01:13:12.560
podcast every Monday night, and on my soundboard, I have

1391
01:13:12.600 --> 01:13:14.520
the I'm the one with a soundboard all the different

1392
01:13:14.520 --> 01:13:17.520
sound effects recorded, and I have like seven Kingdom of

1393
01:13:17.560 --> 01:13:19.760
Heaven lines on there. And it's so funny because our

1394
01:13:19.800 --> 01:13:22.920
audience didn't really know about this movie and they hearing

1395
01:13:22.960 --> 01:13:25.239
all these quotes and they're like where's that from? Where's

1396
01:13:25.279 --> 01:13:27.920
that from? We get email from our for our show

1397
01:13:28.000 --> 01:13:32.720
every week asking about the quotes, and my my football

1398
01:13:32.800 --> 01:13:34.920
podcast co host has started to say, we don't have

1399
01:13:34.960 --> 01:13:37.960
a football podcast. We have a Kingdom of Heaven podcast

1400
01:13:38.000 --> 01:13:41.600
that occasionally talks about football. And I've had so many

1401
01:13:41.680 --> 01:13:44.319
Auburn football fans come up to me at games and

1402
01:13:44.399 --> 01:13:46.600
at book signings and stuff, and they come up and say,

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01:13:46.960 --> 01:13:49.239
where can I see this movie? Y'all are always talking

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01:13:49.279 --> 01:13:51.479
about that's going to take us into that other topic

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01:13:51.560 --> 01:13:54.479
you have. I know so, but yes, I'm always recommending

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01:13:54.520 --> 01:13:54.960
this movie.

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01:13:55.039 --> 01:14:00.640
Yes, fantastic. I got to tell you. You know. Red claims

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01:14:00.760 --> 01:14:04.119
the director's cut road show version is the definitive version

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01:14:04.479 --> 01:14:07.039
of the film, and I agree if you're not, if

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01:14:07.039 --> 01:14:09.760
you're if you're not planning to see this cut of

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01:14:09.800 --> 01:14:12.239
the film, you shouldn't plan to see it at all. Honestly,

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01:14:13.159 --> 01:14:15.920
I wouldn't someone to do anyone's like, oh, I'm gonna

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01:14:16.119 --> 01:14:18.520
it's on cable, I'm gonna watch a theatrical version. I got,

1414
01:14:18.520 --> 01:14:20.720
I got two hours. I'd say, don't just don't do

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01:14:20.800 --> 01:14:25.039
that to yourself. Check out this definitive version. Van you

1416
01:14:25.079 --> 01:14:29.000
own a copy of it this special edition. It's out there,

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01:14:29.000 --> 01:14:32.439
well worth the price of admission. You can find this

1418
01:14:32.520 --> 01:14:36.000
on Prime actually you can. You can watch the You

1419
01:14:36.039 --> 01:14:38.199
could watch the two hour version for free, or just

1420
01:14:38.199 --> 01:14:39.600
just spend the four bucks if you just want to

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01:14:39.640 --> 01:14:42.520
rent it and watch the definitive cut. That's what I

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01:14:42.600 --> 01:14:42.840
tell you.

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01:14:43.520 --> 01:14:46.800
I've got the Blu Ray Director's cut. I've got the

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01:14:46.840 --> 01:14:49.920
Blu Ray road Show Cut, and I've got it on Amazon,

1425
01:14:50.079 --> 01:14:51.880
so I can easily show it in class just by

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01:14:51.880 --> 01:14:54.680
clicking on the Amazon website and logging in. So, yeah, yeah,

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01:14:54.680 --> 01:14:56.199
I got three copies of it.

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01:14:56.479 --> 01:14:58.880
I'm already I'm gonna start my hunt. I'm gonna go

1429
01:14:58.880 --> 01:15:01.680
on my crusade. I'm looking for the four K road

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01:15:01.680 --> 01:15:03.399
show version. If that's out there, that's what That's what

1431
01:15:03.479 --> 01:15:07.399
I'm going for. Listeners, what do you think of Kingdom

1432
01:15:07.439 --> 01:15:11.279
of Heaven? Have you seen the director's cut, the roadshow

1433
01:15:11.319 --> 01:15:13.920
cut as it were? Let us know on social media.

1434
01:15:13.960 --> 01:15:17.000
You can find us on Facebook, Instagram, and x You

1435
01:15:17.000 --> 01:15:19.439
can check out a Film by Podcast dot com for

1436
01:15:19.960 --> 01:15:23.439
film and TV articles in our entire library streaming free.

1437
01:15:23.960 --> 01:15:25.439
You can write to us at a Film by a

1438
01:15:25.479 --> 01:15:28.880
Podcast at gmail dot com with your questions comments and concerns.

1439
01:15:29.439 --> 01:15:31.279
We may just read your response on the show and

1440
01:15:31.319 --> 01:15:34.000
send you some a film by swag, And of course

1441
01:15:34.800 --> 01:15:37.760
you can find us on Patreon where we'll definitely send

1442
01:15:37.760 --> 01:15:40.640
you some swag when you join up Van. What's What's

1443
01:15:40.840 --> 01:15:43.000
What's next? Is there a new book in the works?

1444
01:15:43.039 --> 01:15:46.000
Any appearances? You got some things happen on White Rocket?

1445
01:15:46.119 --> 01:15:47.960
What you know what? What's what's next for you?

1446
01:15:48.520 --> 01:15:50.000
Yeah, we're at the end of the year. I'm kind

1447
01:15:50.000 --> 01:15:52.439
of in the dead period. It'll you'll gear back up

1448
01:15:52.439 --> 01:15:55.640
again when we got convention season. I do the Windy

1449
01:15:55.720 --> 01:15:57.840
City Pulp Con in the spring, and I do Dragon

1450
01:15:57.880 --> 01:16:00.359
Con in Atlanta in the fall, and cup of things

1451
01:16:00.359 --> 01:16:03.680
here and there in between. But now I'm the thing

1452
01:16:03.720 --> 01:16:07.600
I'm I put out. I put out two big sci

1453
01:16:07.600 --> 01:16:09.520
fi novels at the beginning of this year, an eight

1454
01:16:09.640 --> 01:16:14.760
hundred page Alpha Omega book and a three hundred page Union,

1455
01:16:14.880 --> 01:16:18.000
both both sci fi novels, and kind of got needed

1456
01:16:18.000 --> 01:16:19.920
to take a break, so I've been resting my brain

1457
01:16:19.960 --> 01:16:22.319
for the last few months. But I think next up

1458
01:16:22.399 --> 01:16:24.119
is Alan J. Porter and I are going to be

1459
01:16:24.319 --> 01:16:27.800
finishing up or working on and finishing the Monaco Heist,

1460
01:16:27.840 --> 01:16:29.880
which is the third of Our Heist, third of my

1461
01:16:29.960 --> 01:16:31.640
Highest trilogy. But he's going to co write it with

1462
01:16:31.680 --> 01:16:35.039
me because he knows Monaco better than me. So this

1463
01:16:35.199 --> 01:16:38.600
is this is our This is my series about two

1464
01:16:41.560 --> 01:16:46.039
humorous heisters that robbed things in the nineteen sixties. Vegas

1465
01:16:46.119 --> 01:16:48.119
Heist and then Miami Heist are both out, and now

1466
01:16:48.119 --> 01:16:49.199
we're doing Monaco Heist.

1467
01:16:49.600 --> 01:16:52.399
Excellent. Now where can I get my hands on one

1468
01:16:52.399 --> 01:16:54.199
of these books? Is there? I? Can I get them

1469
01:16:54.199 --> 01:16:56.039
in the store? Should I get them online? Okay? Is

1470
01:16:56.039 --> 01:16:58.039
there a website any of that?

1471
01:16:58.159 --> 01:17:01.000
Yeah? I mean Amazon has everything. The stores can get them,

1472
01:17:01.319 --> 01:17:04.119
they probably don't stock them, and then you can always

1473
01:17:04.119 --> 01:17:08.000
go to www dot plexico dot net, p L e

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01:17:08.319 --> 01:17:11.560
x I c O dot net and that has links

1475
01:17:11.600 --> 01:17:14.279
to like all my podcasts, all my books, every all

1476
01:17:14.279 --> 01:17:16.119
my convention appearances, all that kind of stuff.

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01:17:16.520 --> 01:17:19.399
Listeners, we will have that link in the show notes

1478
01:17:19.399 --> 01:17:23.600
for you, so check that out for sure. Van, thank

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01:17:23.640 --> 01:17:25.880
you for the education today.

1480
01:17:26.800 --> 01:17:29.720
Peace be with you, Hey, thanks for having me board.

1481
01:17:29.800 --> 01:17:30.880
It's great a lot of fun.

1482
01:17:31.680 --> 01:17:33.960
And to all of you out there listening to the show,

1483
01:17:34.159 --> 01:17:37.079
following us on social media and subscribing to our Patreon,

1484
01:17:37.199 --> 01:17:37.680
we thank you.

1485
01:17:37.760 --> 01:18:06.760
As well, is long long. We not all hire your bird,

1486
01:18:07.399 --> 01:18:10.159
but don Java were Humber