July 6, 2025
Rob Bowman - Reign of Fire
On this episode, Jeff, Amber, and Garret aren't talking about training dragons; they're talking about slaying them! Post-apocolyptic communal living, your life expectancy when jumping out of helicopters, and effective leadership are discussed with a look at Rob Bowman's Reign of Fire!
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A little fun question for you. And I'm not asking
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for the best. Look at you, Amber asking, I'm asking
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for favorite, So bearing in mind, I'm asking favorites, not best,
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I'm curious, what what are your favorite movie dragons or
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dragon themed movie? Amber? We already know your answer, so let's.
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Just get it out of the r I mean, and
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it's fortunate because my favorite is the best, so I
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get to be right on both friends. The only correct
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answer is Ferma Thrax pejorative from Dragonslayer.
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Dragon We knew. I knew Dragonslayer. We talked about that
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on the summer rental episode, you know, and you've talked
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you You got the chance to talk about Dragonslayer a
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little more in depth over on docum based seventy seven.
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Yes, we did a whole episode on the Gloriousness all right.
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We knew if anyone's been listening to the show that
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you knew. Amber's answer was gonna be Dragon Slayer. But Garrett,
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favorite movie dragon or dragon themed movie?
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What do you got?
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Well, I'm definitely going to have to go with the
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subject at hand right now, with a rain of fire.
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I remember seeing this film as a child in theaters
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with my uncle he'd gotten some free tickets from Time
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Warner Cable to go see this movie, and he took
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me and all my brothers. So, you know, that movie
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just holds a place in my heart. I've got to
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tell you.
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I'm glad to hear that. I am definitely glad to
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hear that. I'm gonna throw a curb watch you guys,
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because it's technically I'm gonna Break'm gonna I'm gonna pull
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on Amber Lewis here, I'm gonna break a rule technically
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a movie. But in nineteen eight three there was this
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very kick ass animated series called Dungeons and Dragons, which
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has gotten a little bit of nostalgic popularity over the
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past couple of years. But I remember when I was
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a little kid watching that in Tiamatt the dragon, the
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five headed dragon, like the Goddess Dragon, that thing. You know,
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she was scary. I mean it was animated, it was
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a cartoon, but she was kind of a little scary.
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I don't know, tam Matt is my pick. So but Garrett,
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I like that you mentioned Rain of Fire, So let's
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talk about some dragons. Let's talk about a film by
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Rob Bowman. His underrated post apocalyptic dark fantasy film Reign
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of Fire. Hello and welcome back.
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I'm Jeff Johnson, I'm Amber Lewis, and I'm Garrett Gibson.
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And this is a film by podcast A little a
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little bit of a summer break there. Uh, we all
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got a couple of weeks off. I hope we're all rested.
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I hope we're all ready to, uh to jump back
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into the swing of things.
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Uh.
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I'll tell you who didn't uh take a little summer break.
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Our buddies, uh, Dave and Scott and Wayne recently over
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on our Patreon, they they just dropped out that, uh,
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that Jaws episode for a film at.
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Film so much fun.
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Man. I was absolutely floored, because, let's be honest, if
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you google Jaws podcast, you're gonna get a phone book
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this year.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, it's the fiftieth anniversary of Jaws. We knew that
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was going to happen. And kudos to those guys because
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they found a way to not only have a very
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passionate conversation, but they were talking about things that I
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wasn't even paying attention. I've seen draws like three hundred times,
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and some of it like they're insightful commentary like some
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of the things that are bringing up I could not believe.
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I was like, WHOA, I never I never paid attention
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to that.
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So when we got Wayne doing the soundtrack as always.
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I told Wayne, Wayne, I know you. I know you're
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John Williams fan. I know you're like the alter He's
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seen John Williams in concert several times. I knew that
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was gonna happen.
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I haven't.
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I told Wayne. I said, you know, Wayne, if you
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want to talk a little bit about John Walliams, go
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for it. He was like, he didn't say, he just smiled.
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I said, I hear it's gonna happen. But uh, listeners,
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I gotta tell you, this is definitely the Jaws podcast
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you want to listen to. Yes, it's on our Patreon,
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but guess what to celebrate the fiftieth anniversary of Bruce
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the Shark. It's a free episode. So even if you're
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not ready, you can still head to our patreon. Go
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is an email address and then you can listen to
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not only that episode, there's we actually we do a
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couple free free ones every now and then, don't we
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amber we do. Yeah, you gotta have you gotta have
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a little. Yeah. I liked it. I think about like
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when we're kids growing up, Like if you didn't have
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HBO or Movie Channel, there was like there's free weekends
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sometimes they do.
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Yes.
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I didn't care what was happening outside in the in
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the the world that weekend. I was like, nope, I'm
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staying in you know, Yeah, you.
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Can Watchist for the tenth time.
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Yeah, Oh my goodness.
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So let's talk a little bit about Rob Bowman. Typically
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we do uh, you know, like three three facts, a
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little bit of trivia to a quote. I might have
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more than one quote. I might have more to say
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about Rob Bowman, but I wanna you know, this is
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this guy like I'm fascinated by by the limited amount
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I found, I'm fascinated so little a little bit about Rob.
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His father, Chuck Bowman, is a prolific television director, having
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worked on classics like The Incredible Hulk, The A Team Mcguyver,
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Murder She Wrote, and the Greatest American Hero, just to
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name a few. As a boy, he would go to
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the sets with his dad and act as an assistant crewmember. Now,
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I just think about that for a second. There's there's that,
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you know, bring your daughter to work day, bring your
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kid to work day. You know, it's always fun when
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you're a little kid to go where mom and dad worked.
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But could you'd you going to film sets and like
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he's a kid and there's there's there's.
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Mister t you're hanging out with the A team.
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You're hanging out I'm working on the crew with the
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A team. Yeah. I think that's awesome.
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I mean rightous.
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Yeah. When he was old enough, he moved to Los
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Angeles and got a job at Steven Canal Productions, starting
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off in the mail room. Now, if if you are
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a fan of eighty eighties television and you know some
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of those those television shows that his dad worked on,
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you know who Steven Canal is. Stephen J. Canal we
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as as we'd call him. So he's going straight to
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the source. I got a quote for you on setting
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yourself apart from the competition. Rob said quote, I learned
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early on that you be successful as a director, you
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had to have your own signature. Otherwise why hire one
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person over another. So you got to think he's he's
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in the mailroom. But he's also going to film school
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and he's studying. He's got access to four hundred hours
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of television and he's watching this stuff, just soaking it
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up to see, like what this director does, what that
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director does. You know. He's mentioned like, you know, we
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all have the same tools, but it's fascinating to him
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to see how this guy uses the same tool as
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this guy and then different product comes out. So I
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love I love his attitude about it. He also back
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to his dad, you know, his dad. They have a
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lot of conversations. He teaches him basically that a good
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film crew becomes invisible when the movie's actually made. And
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he had to say this about that quote. What remains
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are the emotions and the drama of the story and
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the characters. What remains is the magic. And that's I
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love that because the behind the scenes crew, the film crew,
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they're the unsung heroes right there. The guy, the assistant
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ad and the the best boy, and the grips and
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all these guys, all these women, men and women, they're
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all doing this work and if they're doing their job
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the right way, you'll never know that they existed.
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Right, Yeah, absolutely right, So.
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Let's talk a little bit about a little a little
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bit more about Bowman if you'll indulge me. So he worked.
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He worked at Canal Productions for two years before he
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leaves to make his way as a director. Amber. He
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lands a gig directing an episode of Star Trek the
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Next Generation in its very first season.
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Like talking about just laying it on your feet.
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Now, listen, this is what is amazing. Though he shows
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up two weeks early to study the sets and prep
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for his episode. He does the one where No Man
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Has Gone Before, which I know Wayne and Dave and
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Scott have talked about. Yeah, I think they talked about
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it in the starter treks on Phaser set the stun
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our Star Trek pod that happens on Wednesdays. Star Trek
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creator Gene Roddenberry is so impressed with the dailies and
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Bowman's work ethic he decides to make an appearance to
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publicly praise Bowman in front of the cast and the
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crew and Amber, I think you probably know this, but
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he ends up directing another five episodes that season. He's
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only twenty seven years.
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Old and he's so good. Like, where No Man Has
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Gone Before is a great episode.
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It's it's and handled episod.
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So well, like it could have gone so easily wrong
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because you've got Riker and Bricard kind of being jerks
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through part of it. Yeah, it could really turn a
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fan off, but he handled it really well.
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Garrett. At the age of twenty seven, I know I
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was downtown in bars and clubs and getting up to
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no good. We did you have the Rob Bowman work
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ethic or were you, you know, being a typical twenty
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seven year old. Because I know what I was doing.
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I've got to tell you I was not in there
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directing heavy hitting episodes of a hit television series. Now,
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I was out at the bar, hitting the drinks as
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much as it could. That's a yeah, that's yeah, that's
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my extent of twenty seven.
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Yeah. But here's the thing. After seeing a commercial for
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the pilot episode of The X Files, he talks too
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his agents says, hey, you know what, I think I
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want to direct that series. So he does the episode
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gender Bender, and X Files creator Chris Carter is also
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so impressed with him he invites him back to direct
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more episodes. He ends up directing another thirty two episodes
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of the series and eventually is made a producer.
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So and he directed one of the best episodes.
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Ever, which is give it to us.
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Jose Chung's from Out o Space.
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Oh my gosh, he did. He did out the jose
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Chung episode. That awesome. I love that one. That is
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so good. I listen. I know we don't typically dip
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this deep into the directors anymore. I know we in
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the first couple of seasons, don't. We'd give you like
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a whole book report, and we kind of got away
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from that. But I bring this up because I know
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later we're going to talk about his fomography. The man
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it's only done four films, but he has done such
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an impressive job in the world of television directing that
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I wanted to kind of point out his origin story
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and name some of his heavy hitters. So Amber, enough
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about that. We got to talk about dragons, We got
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to talk about Rain of Fire. And I know you
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know this is this is truly an underrated film. You know,
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it came out I think it finished third now to
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be fair, it went up against the Road to Perdition
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and Men in Black two, So you're in good company.
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Eighty million on a budget of sixty million, didn't breathe
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fire in the theaters as it were. But for those
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that haven't seen this, maybe they haven't seen it in
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a while. What can you tell us about rain of fire?
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So we're in England in the year twenty twenty twelve
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years after a London underground tunneling project inadvertently awakened dragons
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from centuries of slumber, and the creatures have subsequently replaced
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humans as the dominant species on Earth, with the fate
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of mankind at stake. To surviving parties led by Quinn
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Abercrombie and Denton van Zan find that they must work
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together to hunt down and destroy the beasts in a
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desperate attempt to take back the world.
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I think Christian Bale's Exposition Dump at the beginning that
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that voiceover Amber, you and I we've talked about this.
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We're not huge fans of the Exposition Dump.
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But but him, anybody else here Morpheus in this opening,
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I mean, who scorches the sky?
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Knowledge is the only weapon we have left. I'm sorry,
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