Dec. 10, 2024

Shane Black - Kiss Kiss Bang Bang

Shane Black - Kiss Kiss Bang Bang
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Season 5A Film By...

Jeff and Andrew are getting into the holiday spirit with Shane Black's snarky fast-talking dialogue, dark humor, and neo-noir story telling of his directorial debut; Kiss Kiss Bang Bang!

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So last week we were discussing George Lucas's THHX eleven

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thirty eight, which is about as non Christmasy as it gets.

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You're not wrong, we said, we said we'd be back

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next week.

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We would talk, we'd talk about something a little more

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in line with the holiday. But hey, you know, we

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just just as past weekend we did talk about Rudolph

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the Red News Reindeer on our ten for two on Patreon.

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So we're getting there.

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Right, Yeah, absolutely getting in the season. You know what.

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You know what else actually always gets me in the

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Christmas season.

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Shane Black, Shane Black, the King of Christmas.

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Yes, every movie is made better with a Christmas jingle.

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You're right, you know what. On that note, let's talk

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about his directorial debut, then his two thousand and five

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underrated Christmas crime comedy Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang. Hello, everybody.

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I'm Jeff Johnson and I'm Andrew Blakeley, and this is

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a film by podcast Andrew. We were talking about Shane Black.

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It was a couple of months ago, wasn't it.

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Yeah, I don't, I don't know. Brought him up a

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couple of times recently.

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We brought him out, Yeah, recently, we've we've talked about

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him a few times and we just like, you know what,

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we've got to cover something at Christmas time that that

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that Shane Black is involved in. And what better than

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his directorial film debut, Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang.

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It's a personal favorite of mine. I'm I love talking

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about I'm glad I got to rewatch for this. I

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forgot how much I love this movie.

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This is one of those situations where you've got an

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incredible writer, an incredible director, an incredible cast. Everything's lining

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up except for the box office. This movie kind of

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came and went quietly. I for one, didn't see it

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in two thousand and five. I was not at the

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theater for this one. This was actually recommended to me

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several years ago by Brad Kozo, who said, I can't

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believe you haven't seen Kiss, Kiss, Bang Bang when we were

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talking about non traditional Christmas movies.

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Yeah, it's top of the list for me. I didn't

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see it in theaters either. Unfortunately, I do regret that,

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but I think, you know, that was early in my

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film loving career. I didn't have the appreciation for Shane

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Black that I developed later on, so I you know,

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it was just another buddy cop movie is kind of

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how it was advertised, and that's that under sells what

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it really is.

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I have to believe that there's there's listeners out there

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that probably don't know what this one's about. You want

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to you want to rip off a little synopsis for.

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Him, absolutely two bit c book. Harry Lockhart stumbles into

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an audition for a mystery film while on the run

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from the cops. Getting the attention of producers, He's flown

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out to Hollywood to study under hard boiled and impressively

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sarcastic private eye Perry van Schreke aka Gay Perry. The

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pair are flung into a tangled murderous conspiracy alongside Harry's

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childhood sweetheart, Harmony faith Lane in this quick, deadpan and

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affectionate parody of film noir tropes.

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Originally titled L A p I, which does get name

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dropped in the film, I was Love when that happens.

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That then becomes You'll Never Die in This Town Again,

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which again they kind of that's like, that's one of

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the Gossamer novels that you see Michelle Monahan's character holding

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on to. But it's Val Kilmer that allegedly suggested to

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Shane Black that kiss, Kiss, Bang bang had more appeal.

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What your thoughts quickly, I'm gonna throw you're you're you're

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the producer on this. I'm gonna give you those three titles,

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which one jumps out of you.

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I'll say, kis kiss, bang, bang does have the most

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pop to it. The first ones are kind of boring.

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They fall a little flat. But you know, even as

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much of a film lover as I am, I didn't

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recognize the reference. I had to. I had to look

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it up myself.

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Yeah, this, this phrase, which was used as the name

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of a club in the James Bond story Thunderball, became

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a slang term overseas. You want to you want to

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explain this to the listeners, Andrew.

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So it became I believe it originated in Italy. It

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became a slang term for the James Bond genre. You know, mister, kiss, kiss, bang, bang,

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it's all sex and violence, and that's really all it is.

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And I think it was said a little bit derogatorily initially,

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but it was embraced because, let's be honest, that's what

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James Bond is, That's that's what these film noir tropes are.

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And I think it became sort of more of a

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loving and endearing slang.

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Yeah, spy spy films that feature romantic entanglements. You could

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not get a better title. I love the title this, Yeah, absolutely,

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And you gotta love the cast that we've got here.

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Our leads have both famously played billionaires turned crime fighters.

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This movie features iron Man and Batman. Can we talk

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about that for a minute.

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Yeah, I mean that these two are so good, and

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I think it's especially a great turn for Val Kilmer.

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You know, this is sort of Val Kilmer had already

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had a name for himself. Everybody knew how great he was.

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Whereas for Downey, this is you know, this is pre

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iron Man. This is you know, he's sort of making

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his comeback from his his rough days, his younger days.

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And it's a shame that this didn't get bigger because

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this really shows the immense talent that this guy had.

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And we already knew, I mean, he'd been in Chaplain,

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you know, we knew that he could act, but this

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really showed how charming and quick and funny he could be.

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Yeah. RDIJ has stated this is his favorite RDJ movie,

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and to your point, he wins the role from Johnny Knoxville.

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This is a time when he's trying to mount us

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comeback in Hollywood. Luckily, his girlfriend at the time Susan Downey,

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who's now his wife, she urges him to pitch for

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the role, and after all, he's had access to producer

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Joel Silver because at the time he's working on Gothica.

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I love that he took this, and actually there's something

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he said about it that really stood out to me,

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because you know, as we've mentioned, this is, you know,

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really quick witted, and it's sort of a parody but

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also a very loving film noir movie. But it also

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hits on some really heavy notes. And so I found

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a quote from RDJ that I loved. He said, I

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think Kiss, Kiss, Bang Bang really got that thing where

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if a movie reads really funny and then has some

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dramatic or violent, sinister stuff in it, you can't forget that.

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Primarily it has to be even funnier than you read it,

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Otherwise that other stuff doesn't work. And that's what I

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love about this movie, even over other Shane Black scripts.

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I think the humor and the heavy, heavy stuff work

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together perfectly.

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How much of the Tony Stark DNA do you see

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in his performance here.

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It's funny you mentioned that all of the charm, all

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of the quick wit is there. Man, Harry is an idiot.

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Well, okay, he's an idiot.

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Yeah, but but the charm, the charm is there one

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hundred percent.

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Yeah, the confidence is there, one hundred percent. And if

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you don't see it, you got to keep in mind

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that while John Favreau is prepping iron Man to kick

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off the MCU, he makes the decision to cast Robert

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Downey Jr. Based off of this performance. So without kiss, kiss,

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Bang bang, there is no Robert Downey Junr. As Tony Stark.

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And imagine what the MCU looks like. And you know,

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in an alternate timeline like the like they love to

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do right now, it just doesn't feel right, you know.

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Oh absolutely, yeah. I mean that's a whole other conversation.

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But yeah, the MCU doesn't happen without that iconic turn

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that that Robert Denney Junr. Took. And I think you're right,

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you really see it in this this character that isn't

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really a good person if you boil it down, but

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is trying to do the right thing, is trying to

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make good decisions while still kind of being a dirt bag,

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and I think that that that DNA really translates into

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Tony Stark.

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He's he's a respectable dirt bag in the sense that

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I don't like what he's doing, but I love how

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he defends Michelle Monahan's character. I love how he's actually

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I love how he defends women in general in this.

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It's it's a great introduction to the character and I

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think there's you know, well, I guess it starts with

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an introduction of him as the narrator, which is hilarious,

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genuinely some of my favorite narration dialogue in any movie,

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and you know, very self referential and self aware of

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itself as a movie. But when they really show him

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first at the party and he's all cool and he's

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calling the guy out that's about to take advantage of

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Michelle Monahan and you think, wow, this guy's a badass,

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and just smash to him getting his ass beat outside. Yeah,

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it's it's hilarious and it says so much about his character,

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and it really introduces you to and to Shane Black

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because you know, you see this again in like The

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Good Guys and in some of his other scripts, like

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he loves this type of character that is both great

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and terrible at the same time.

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Yeah, jumping into scenes, you know, we're introduced to him.

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He's he's actually stealing like the hottest toy, like they

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can't find hottest toy. At the beginning of this, he's

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talking to his nephew on the phone, trying to get

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the nephew. Wait, is this store actually open? Yeah, it's

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it's it's Christmas hours. It's we're fine, We're fine, you know.

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So he's he's a dirt bag, but he's he's still

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you know, he's he's still at a Christmas present, but

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it's for his nephew, so I can kind of I

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can kind of look the other way a little bit.

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And then we're at this uh, this party in the

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Hollywood Hills and Michelle Monahan, you know, she's she's passed out.

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This creep comes in starts, you know, sliding his hand

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up her upper dress and and he's there, you know,

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as the hero. He's talking tough and you're like, all right,

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way to look out for her, and then he's getting pummeled.

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You know, it's not what you expect, and that it's

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one of those things that right when you think we're

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gonna get some kind of a cool action sequence, we

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get we get a we get a comedic moment because

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this is typically not what you see the hero do

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is take an ass whipping right.

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That's one of the things that makes Shane Black's writing

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and directing I think so brilliant is he knows how

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to play on tropes and he knows where you think

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it's gonna go, and he does something different and he

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always keeps it interesting. And that Robert Downey Junior is

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just so smart and how he plays it. He knows

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exactly where the humor is, he knows exactly where the

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coolness is, and he dials it in every time.

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I love that he also has a little callback to

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this moment because after this we're introduced to Val Kilmer's character,

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and we'll talk about him in a minute. But then

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they're leaving the party and one of my all time

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crushes is is here for a reunion with Robert Downey Junior.

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None other than Judy Aronson is the one giving the

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the swag bags out and she kind of, you know,

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she's the one. She's like, oh, yeah, I do that guy,

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you know, the one that beats your ass earlier. Yeah,

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he left that girl, so we get a little weird

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science reunion. And I love that. When when when Hollywood

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does this, when it gives us this, this rare opportunity

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to put two people back together, you know, all of

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a sudden, we got we got weird science happening.

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Especially in a movie like this where it's very self aware.

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It references itself as a movie kind of winks at

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the camera a little bit here and there, but never

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over the top. So little moments like that, you know,

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are very intentional and played up, and I think they

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landed perfectly.

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Let's talk about Val Kilmer. So Warner Brothers initially offers

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Joel Silver, you know, the producer. They offer a larger

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budget as long as he's willing to get Harrison Ford

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to play gay Perry. Harrison Ford says, no, doesn't work

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with Ford anyways, right.

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I it's a very different movie. I have recently come

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to respect Harrison Ford's comedic chops. When he wants to

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be dry and funny, he's he can be pretty funny.

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Having said that, Ice as perfect in this role. We can't.

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Yeah, this is he makes it. Do you remember a

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film that that Ford did with Josh Hartnett called Hollywood homicide.

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Unfortunately.

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Yeah, yeah, we see keyword. Unfortunately. I feel like if

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Ford was said, sure, I'll do it, you know, we

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we would have had something more kinto that. We wouldn't

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have had a shame black classic on our hands. So

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glad that Val Kilmer's here. After Ford says no, he

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has to still beat out the likes of you Grant

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and Benicio del Toro, and again, Val Kilmer is the

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way to go here, Andrew. He quickly drops fifty pounds

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to play this role because you remember, just less than

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a year ago he's playing a very heavy set character

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in two thousand and four as Alexander.

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Yeah. Wow, Yeah, I didn't realize how quickly that happened.

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That was like, a that's some Christian Bay level stuff.

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That's Batman.

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Apparently, if you're doing Batman, apparently this is in your repertoire, right. Yeah,

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but I dig the fact, like you could tell that

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he's carrying a little extra weight and not in a

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bad way, like he's he's a little bit bigger than

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Ice Man here.

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Yeah, he pulls it off though. I mean, Val Kilmer

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is just yeah, he's a legend.

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Yeah, he is.

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His anger is something that you know, he's always played

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very cool characters. I love how much he just unleashes

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on Harry in this and he has some of my

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absolute all time favorite insults. You know, the look up

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idiot in the dictionary, and you know what you find

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is I think about that insult twice a week. He

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has this movie.

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He might have some of the best dialogue in the film.

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He might.

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You know, it's a It's amazing.

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And to be paired with Robert Downey Junior and to

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have the best dialogue is no small feat.

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You are absolutely right, man. I'll tell you one thing.

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I read about this and I'm scratching my head. So

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they have that they have this awkward kissing scene, and

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Kilmer once claimed that he was thinking of Kevin Bacon

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during the moment. I don't know what that's about, but

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I saw it. I was like, well, we're gonna bring

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it up, you.

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Know, I mean, okay, I guess sure.

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Well what's cool here? Shane Black creates a character that's

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openly gay, and you hadn't seen that in an action

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film before.

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Right, Yeah, especially because he's the badass, he's the capable one, he's.

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The capable badass.

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Yeah, and going back to, you know, the idea that

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these aren't good people. I think some of the dialogue

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doesn't hold up great. You know, this movie's almost twenty

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years old. Some of the little cringy. But I think

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it also falls into that category of these are bad people,

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you know what I mean. They're they're criminals, they're they're

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kind of dirt bags. So like the dialogue in their

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mouth is a little bit more yeah, okay, you're a

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piece of crap. I get it. But at the same time,

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they never really you know, ostracize him or or treat

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him badly because of his sexuality. So I think it

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toes that line in a way that we probably mad now.

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But this is only two thousands. We're right at that

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point where as as a society we are acknowledging that

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there's certain derogatory slaying that just that it's not going

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to be acceptable, right.

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It does lead us to genuinely one of my favorite

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lines ever, when they're just they're very catty the whole

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way and he just goes, don't quit your gay job.

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I don't know why. I love that. It makes me

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giggle every time.

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That is a good one. And that's you know that

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that one's not bad. I don't think that's that's a

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bad one. Yeah, no, no, no, Yeah, let's talk about how

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adorable Michelle Monahan is. She's playing Harmony faith Lane.

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Yeah, she's she's fantastic. I kind of wish she had

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gotten more work. I feel like, you know, she had

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a really good run there in the early two thousands

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and then dropped off a little bit.

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Well, okay, so she she's coming off of She's come

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off a few small roles. She she had a small

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role in The Born Supremacy in two thousand and four,

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and then she's in Constantine the kick Ass Keanu Reeve. Yeah,

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which I'll defend. I don't care what anyone says. Movies awesome,

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we'll cover it next year. How about that sounds good? Yeah,

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she has she has a small role in that that

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that comes out in two thousand and five, right before

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this movie. And it's after this movie that she gets

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Mission Impossible three. She gets Gone, Baby Gone, and she's

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she's off and running. She's she's a name.

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So yeah, you're right there.

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She should. I feel like she should have a much

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larger career.

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And she's amazing.

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Yeah, she's she's very talented, she's she's she's hilarious in this.

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I think, oh yeahs.

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To hold your own. But she's she's a lot younger

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than these other two. So to hold your own. You know,

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these great names and this really quick witted dialogue, you've

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really got a nail, and and to be lovable while

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you're doing it, and to also be kind of terrible

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in her own way. You know, none of these characters

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are really great.

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Well that's that's the that's the epitome of Shane Black.

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Though when he's writing, he he gives us i'll say,

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gray characters, morally challenged characters that.

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You end up quote broken, broken, broken characters.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll follow him though I love him

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in this absolutely.

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It creates a great redemption. And I think that, you know,

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obviously we mentioned earlier Shane Black loves his Christmas movies.

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You this Lethal Weapon, the Long Kiss, good Night, Iron

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Man three. I mean, the list goes on, and I

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think part of that always leads to this, you know,

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redemption of these characters. These characters are seeking, you know,

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a second chance, are seeking, you know, a turnaround, and

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Christmas is just such a great backdrop for that, even

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if it's not necessarily integral to the story.

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Yeah, I do want to talk about Christmas here in

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a minute, but before we get off the cast one

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more we got to mentioned Corbyn Burnson, who's playing the

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the quote unquote villain of the movie, Harland Dexter. I

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kind of feel like he's he's barely in this movie.

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Not I I've been saying that for years, though. I mean,

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I this dude rules. He's great. I love him in

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major league. If you ever watched the Show's psych he

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plays the main character, Shan's father and that, and he's fantastic.

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He's always good at just being kind of a kind

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of an asshole, but in a very charming way. He's

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he's got a talent for it.

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He absolutely does. And uh, I think he's doing good

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job here. I just I just wish there's more of him.

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That's all I love too.

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That the plot falls around the fact that he was

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an actor and they use you know who had shot

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a movie playing a spy or a detective, you know,

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years prior, and they have old footage of super young

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carbon Britson, Like, I, I don't know what it's from.

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I would love to find it, but it's it's hilarious

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to just see him so young.

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I was wondering that myself. I couldn't really find it.

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I did a little digging online to see what it was.

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But I'm assuming it's maybe it was it what have

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been maybe from La Law down the hallway. I don't know.

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It's it's Prime.

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It's a few seconds, you know, Yeah, it's.

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It's Prime Burns and it could have been La Law.

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Who knows. But Andrew, I want to take I want

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to take a break, and then when we come back,

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I do want to talk a little bit about the

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film's background, and we're definitely gonna talk about Christmas Welcome Back.

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We are discussing Shane Black's directorial debut, Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang. So.

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This one's influenced by crime fiction novelist Raymond Chandler's work,

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who often featured the hard boiled private detective Philip Marlow character.

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It's also loosely based on Bodies Are Where You Find Them,

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which was the fifth novel and author Brett Halliday's Mike

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Shane detective series from the forties. I love I love

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the uh, I love the genesis of this project because

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you got to think Black at this point had he

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was in years prior, he was like the biggest name

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in Hollywood. He was the he like when you said screenwriter,

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you say Shane Black. He commanded the most. And then

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he kind of disappears and he decides, Hey, I don't

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want to do an action movie. I want to do

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something a little more dramatic. And he he's trying to

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work through it. He's trying to cut like this romantic

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comedy off the ground, and then James Brooks of all people,

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tells him, look, you're going about this the wrong way.

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You know, your hero should be more like Jack Nicholson,

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and as good as it gets, uh, you know, give it,

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give it, go, do what you do best. And then

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he got and then all of a sudden he's like, well,

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if I had I've had a couple of murders on

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my hands, you know, if it's gonna be like if

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it's gonna be like Jack Nicholson Chinatown, Like, yeah, let's

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let's do that. And then all before you know it,

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we're there's some action sequences and he's back doing what

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he does best, and we get kiss kiss, bang banged.

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Yeah it's funny too that you know, you think of

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this movie because there's a lot of gunshots, there's people die,

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all this stuff, there's murders, but there's really very little action.

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There's the climax, you know, with a little bit of

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a shootout, but even then, not a lot is happening.

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It is much more now air like, you know, trying

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to solve things through detectives and you know, trying to

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figure things out. So I can see how he's saying,

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I don't want to do leuth a weapon again. You know,

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I've done that, I've been there. I want to find

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something that's you know, a little more introspective, a little

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more emotional. Things like that. But also I'm Shane Black.

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Some would be funny as hell while I do it.

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And that's how you get here.

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Let's talk about Christmas. Hell, Yeah, it is the season,

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after all. The question you got to ask yourself is

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what's Shane Black's deal with Christmas? And I finally found

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the answer. Andrew, I'm going to read you something here.

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This comes from an article written by Chris Hewitt for Empire,

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and I'll read you this yere real quick because I

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was just fascinated by this. Really, it's all three days

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of the Condor's Fault. That's the film that convinced a young,

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impressionable Shane Black that Christmas could be a suitably dramatic,

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sometimes ironic, sometimes sincere, and heartfelt backdrop for a thriller.

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In it, Christmas played a huge part. It was set

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against the backdrop of people shopping, Christmas carols are blaring,

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there's snow, says Black, talking exclusively to Empire, and even

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the pause at the end where Redford walks outside with

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the hitman and the guy says, can I give you

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a ride? This is a guy who was about to

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kill him or someone else, and it really felt appropriate

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to me that Christmas was the backdrop for that. It

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struck a spark to take a holiday and make it

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not just a backdrop but a character itself. So there

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you go.

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Yeah, And it works really, really well a lot of

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the time. And I think part of the reason it

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works so well for this as well as the greatest

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Christmas movie of all time, Die Hard, Thank You, is

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that it's there. It's always present. You hear it in

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the music, in the sound effects, you see Christmas trees,

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things like that, but it's not always integral to the story.

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It's a backdrop. It kind of colors everything. But you

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could set this exact same movie in the summer, and

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while the costumes might change and think that the party

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might be a different setting, it it's still the same plot.

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All Christmas really does is kind of give it that

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feeling of hope, that disparity between what you're seeing and

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what you're feeling.

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Yeah, this this is based in la but we still

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get Christmas lights, we still have the Christmas parties. We

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have Michelle in that incredible uh Santa Claus costume.

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Giving my favorite take on Rudolph. Ever, I've never watched

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Rudolph the same again, ever since she she went the

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whole racism route.

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Her her racism conversation about Rudolph the Red Is Reindeer.

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00:23:39.519 --> 00:23:41.839
It's cracking me up, especially because we just talked about

466
00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:43.720
Rudolph the Red da Is Reindeer on our Patreon.

467
00:23:44.680 --> 00:23:44.960
Wow.

468
00:23:45.119 --> 00:23:47.079
She she's got it. She's got it together. Though you

469
00:23:46.920 --> 00:23:49.519
got you gotta give it to her. Let's talk a

470
00:23:49.559 --> 00:23:52.079
little bit a couple of scenes. We we've already jumped

471
00:23:52.079 --> 00:23:55.079
into one or two scenes before we before we hit

472
00:23:55.119 --> 00:23:57.799
the pivotal moment. Can we can we talk about a

473
00:23:57.799 --> 00:23:59.400
couple of scenes This.

474
00:23:59.759 --> 00:24:03.640
Movie is wall to wall iconic scenes, most of them

475
00:24:03.640 --> 00:24:05.880
I think, boiled down to the interactions of the characters.

476
00:24:06.839 --> 00:24:09.000
The thing that really gets me is when this decides

477
00:24:09.039 --> 00:24:11.759
to stop being funny and start being like really serious

478
00:24:11.799 --> 00:24:14.359
for a moment and then bouncing back. So I'm thinking

479
00:24:14.400 --> 00:24:18.880
of Robert Donna Junior's character Harry waking up under in

480
00:24:18.920 --> 00:24:21.720
the back of a car that had been stolen. He's

481
00:24:21.799 --> 00:24:25.559
wandering around a house having lost a finger, very much dazed,

482
00:24:25.799 --> 00:24:29.039
and ends up witnessing a murder the people that were

483
00:24:29.039 --> 00:24:31.599
trying to kill him no less. And so he comes

484
00:24:31.680 --> 00:24:34.279
up from this very day situation, he shoots one of

485
00:24:34.279 --> 00:24:37.240
the bad guys, and then when he calls Perry, he's

486
00:24:37.359 --> 00:24:41.160
genuinely devastated, Like you can really see the horror and

487
00:24:41.519 --> 00:24:44.680
of processing that up to this point everything's been tongue

488
00:24:44.680 --> 00:24:46.160
in cheek and funny and quick witted, and you see

489
00:24:46.160 --> 00:24:48.720
this and he's really messed up about what happened. But

490
00:24:48.759 --> 00:24:51.039
then it jumps right into the silliness of he lost

491
00:24:51.079 --> 00:24:52.880
his finger and he's tried to get it back from

492
00:24:52.880 --> 00:24:55.440
the dog because his fingerprints are now at the scene,

493
00:24:55.599 --> 00:24:58.799
and the balance there of the drama and the humor

494
00:24:58.839 --> 00:24:59.519
is so perfect.

495
00:25:00.039 --> 00:25:01.960
I love that scene. I'll tell you another one that

496
00:25:02.359 --> 00:25:05.160
I love, and I'll just say I'll just quote it

497
00:25:05.240 --> 00:25:07.599
and you'll know what I'm talking about. Val Kilmer, who

498
00:25:07.640 --> 00:25:14.960
taught you math. It when they when when Downy has

499
00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:17.559
another tough guy moment and he does the whole Russian

500
00:25:17.599 --> 00:25:21.559
Roulette thing with the henchman, he absolutely blows the guy's

501
00:25:21.559 --> 00:25:24.200
head off, and he said, what did you do? It's

502
00:25:24.200 --> 00:25:26.119
like an eight percent year who taught you math?

503
00:25:26.200 --> 00:25:30.039
Like, it's so jarring too. There's this, you know, this

504
00:25:30.160 --> 00:25:31.880
great scene. There is a lot of banter and then

505
00:25:31.880 --> 00:25:33.920
all of a sudden, like all of a sudden, just bam,

506
00:25:33.960 --> 00:25:35.680
the guy's dead. And it's you know, even you as

507
00:25:35.680 --> 00:25:37.880
the audience, you're just like, wait, what the fund just happened?

508
00:25:37.920 --> 00:25:39.519
Did he just wait, did he just shoot him in

509
00:25:39.559 --> 00:25:41.519
the head? Yeah, you know. It's it's almost like a

510
00:25:41.559 --> 00:25:45.720
callback to pulp fiction when when Tibalta shoots Marv shot

511
00:25:45.759 --> 00:25:46.200
Marvin in.

512
00:25:46.119 --> 00:25:49.880
The face exactly and very much is like that.

513
00:25:50.319 --> 00:25:53.400
It cracks me up that a moment where someone accidentally

514
00:25:53.440 --> 00:25:55.599
shoots someone in the head can be played to such

515
00:25:55.680 --> 00:25:57.960
comedic effect like this. It's it's one of the funnier

516
00:25:58.000 --> 00:26:00.839
moments in the movie, and it's and again the whole time,

517
00:26:00.880 --> 00:26:03.200
Like my first time watching this a couple of years ago,

518
00:26:03.680 --> 00:26:06.400
and even now watching it, I'm like, why didn't we

519
00:26:06.440 --> 00:26:08.240
get a franchise out of this?

520
00:26:08.640 --> 00:26:08.799
Why?

521
00:26:09.000 --> 00:26:10.920
Why aren't we seeing Why didn't we get to see

522
00:26:10.920 --> 00:26:14.240
more Robert Downey Junior and Valu Kilmer this and Michelle Monahan.

523
00:26:14.279 --> 00:26:17.319
This would have been amazing sort of it a fun series, right.

524
00:26:18.039 --> 00:26:20.279
Yeah, But I mean, Shane Black, that's not his style.

525
00:26:20.359 --> 00:26:22.839
You know, he's he's it's not it's the same. I

526
00:26:22.880 --> 00:26:24.880
feel the same way after watching the Good Guys, you know,

527
00:26:25.240 --> 00:26:26.839
like what we could do more of this? This would

528
00:26:26.839 --> 00:26:28.519
be a great you know, jumping off point, but no,

529
00:26:28.559 --> 00:26:29.920
it's it's not what he wants to do.

530
00:26:30.640 --> 00:26:33.160
I'll tell another scene. I just want to point this out,

531
00:26:33.240 --> 00:26:36.920
not for the scene being incredible, even though they're all incredible,

532
00:26:36.920 --> 00:26:40.680
but when he shows up at the Hedonism party, the

533
00:26:40.720 --> 00:26:42.839
Hedonism Christmas party where she's working, and she's got this

534
00:26:42.839 --> 00:26:46.640
little sating outfit on. Did you catch that? As he's

535
00:26:46.680 --> 00:26:49.880
walking in to the left, there is like a six

536
00:26:49.920 --> 00:26:54.960
foot statue of the demon Pozuzu from the Exorcist and

537
00:26:55.000 --> 00:26:57.680
it's got like a red Christmas light, like beamon at it.

538
00:26:58.480 --> 00:27:01.039
Huh, I did not notice that. Now I'm gonna have

539
00:27:01.079 --> 00:27:02.279
to go back and watch it again. Darn.

540
00:27:02.720 --> 00:27:04.880
It's yeah, I'm telling you. I mean, if you're not

541
00:27:04.920 --> 00:27:06.720
a horror fan, you know you're not, you're not a

542
00:27:06.720 --> 00:27:09.839
big fan of the Exorcist, maybe you miss it. But

543
00:27:09.880 --> 00:27:12.079
if you're a big fan of the Exorcist and you

544
00:27:12.079 --> 00:27:15.000
you love horror films, it's it like smacks you right

545
00:27:15.039 --> 00:27:17.960
in the face and I'm like, what, why, what is

546
00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:21.119
it do? What is it doing there? And I got

547
00:27:21.160 --> 00:27:24.440
my only here's my theory. Okay, I don't know. I

548
00:27:24.480 --> 00:27:27.119
you know, I could be wrong, but my thought is

549
00:27:27.359 --> 00:27:29.359
maybe it's an Easter egg because you got to remember

550
00:27:29.519 --> 00:27:32.519
the Exorcist came out during Christmas time. It was released

551
00:27:32.519 --> 00:27:35.839
on Christmas Day when it came out, so and era

552
00:27:35.960 --> 00:27:37.720
or maybe maybe it's one of Shane Black's favorite movies.

553
00:27:37.759 --> 00:27:41.480
I don't know, but it is clear as day the

554
00:27:41.519 --> 00:27:43.680
statue you see in The Exorcist is right there in

555
00:27:43.720 --> 00:27:46.400
the living room of that party. It's weird.

556
00:27:46.480 --> 00:27:49.279
I'm sure it's this is you know that the movie

557
00:27:49.319 --> 00:27:51.519
does take place in la There's so much film reference

558
00:27:51.519 --> 00:27:54.480
in it. I guarantee there's you know, Shane Black's like

559
00:27:55.119 --> 00:27:56.759
Shane Black seems like the kind of person that would

560
00:27:56.799 --> 00:27:58.480
be like, I love the Exorcists. We're just gonna do

561
00:27:58.519 --> 00:27:59.720
that because I want to.

562
00:28:02.119 --> 00:28:05.519
All right, let's talk pivotal moment. I got one, but

563
00:28:05.559 --> 00:28:06.359
I want to hear yours.

564
00:28:07.119 --> 00:28:09.599
It's really hard, you know. I was thinking about that

565
00:28:09.640 --> 00:28:12.279
in my last rewatch, like what's the moment that things

566
00:28:12.359 --> 00:28:16.880
kick off? And this movie is you know, every scene's pivotal.

567
00:28:16.880 --> 00:28:18.400
That's one of the movies you really got to watch.

568
00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:22.200
But for me, it is I'll just give you a line.

569
00:28:23.079 --> 00:28:26.200
Why in plu perfect hell would you pee on a corpse?

570
00:28:29.400 --> 00:28:33.759
It's it's so it's the moment that the movie really

571
00:28:33.799 --> 00:28:36.119
turns because up to this point they had witnessed a murder,

572
00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:38.640
you know, as a PI, and they need to go

573
00:28:38.680 --> 00:28:41.359
to police and everything. But now's the moment that okay,

574
00:28:41.440 --> 00:28:43.640
they know who he is, he's being framed, the body

575
00:28:43.720 --> 00:28:48.039
is in his hotel room, and in perfect comedicy fashion,

576
00:28:48.079 --> 00:28:52.319
he ends up accidentally pissing on the corpse and everything

577
00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:54.599
goes after that point. It's just a mile a minute.

578
00:28:54.720 --> 00:28:58.839
Again, if you were describing that to someone that's never

579
00:28:58.880 --> 00:29:02.200
seen this movie and you start laughing. They're they're probably thinking,

580
00:29:02.240 --> 00:29:05.240
what what's wrong with you? But that scene is hilarious.

581
00:29:06.319 --> 00:29:08.839
It does it it It kind of changes the course

582
00:29:08.880 --> 00:29:10.799
of the film. We're we're off, We're we're off and

583
00:29:10.839 --> 00:29:14.480
running right. Uh, I'm gonna give you one. And this

584
00:29:14.559 --> 00:29:16.720
is a moment where I feel like, as you said,

585
00:29:17.079 --> 00:29:20.000
Robert and Junior, you know, his character, Harry is a

586
00:29:20.039 --> 00:29:22.240
bit of a bit of a dirt bag, bit of

587
00:29:22.279 --> 00:29:23.480
a Goofis he's not that bright?

588
00:29:24.359 --> 00:29:24.559
Yeah?

589
00:29:24.640 --> 00:29:27.039
I love the moment he realizes he's in he's in

590
00:29:27.079 --> 00:29:30.599
the taxi and he realizes that his case, which he

591
00:29:30.640 --> 00:29:34.039
should you know, Uh, Gay continues to remind him, like

592
00:29:34.079 --> 00:29:35.759
you you don't have a case. You're not you're not

593
00:29:35.799 --> 00:29:38.480
a detective. I love the moment when he realizes that

594
00:29:38.559 --> 00:29:44.640
his case about Michelle Monaghan's little sister and Gay Perry's

595
00:29:44.640 --> 00:29:48.519
case are the same case John on the John Gossip

596
00:29:48.599 --> 00:29:50.759
like the John Gossiper books. And he is so pleased

597
00:29:50.759 --> 00:29:53.640
with himself for figuring that out. And then you're like,

598
00:29:53.640 --> 00:29:56.079
oh wait, yeah, the book thing's been there the whole

599
00:29:56.119 --> 00:29:58.680
time about you know, even as the narrator he's explaining like, oh, yeah,

600
00:29:58.720 --> 00:30:01.160
it was great because he'd be on two cases and

601
00:30:01.160 --> 00:30:03.000
then he'd find out they're connected. And the fact that

602
00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:05.440
they you know, he's putting that there in front of

603
00:30:05.519 --> 00:30:07.720
us the whole time, and you know, at least for

604
00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:09.680
me the first time I'm watching, I didn't en pay attention.

605
00:30:09.680 --> 00:30:12.119
I didn't see it. I love that. For Robert Donna

606
00:30:12.160 --> 00:30:14.359
Junior though, the look of glee on his face that

607
00:30:14.400 --> 00:30:17.960
he he figured something out that the others didn't. I

608
00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:19.400
love that for him, Absolutely love it.

609
00:30:19.559 --> 00:30:22.200
Yeah. I mean, he's not a moron for once, and

610
00:30:22.400 --> 00:30:24.680
he's so proud of himself. It is. It's great, and

611
00:30:24.839 --> 00:30:29.400
it really is. It makes the final scene, the payoff,

612
00:30:29.720 --> 00:30:32.319
really interesting, or one of the final scenes, you know,

613
00:30:32.359 --> 00:30:34.119
as he said, you know I saw a Lord of

614
00:30:34.160 --> 00:30:37.240
the Rings. We're not gonna have seventeen endings, but you know,

615
00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:40.000
it closes with oh, everything's wrapped up in a nice,

616
00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:44.960
neat little package, and then Perry comes in and you know, says, no,

617
00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:47.279
that's that's not really what happened and kind of hits

618
00:30:47.279 --> 00:30:48.839
you with this. This smacks you in the face with

619
00:30:48.920 --> 00:30:52.240
reality and it's awful and you find out, you know,

620
00:30:52.400 --> 00:30:55.480
these cases were sort of connected. But not really in

621
00:30:55.480 --> 00:30:58.359
the way we thought. And the reality is pretty dark,

622
00:30:59.680 --> 00:31:01.599
and I think that all that joy kind of gets

623
00:31:01.640 --> 00:31:03.200
sucked out of your lungs for a second. You're like,

624
00:31:03.279 --> 00:31:07.079
oh shit, but that really lands because of how everything's

625
00:31:07.119 --> 00:31:08.640
been built up and how it's Oh, it's just like

626
00:31:08.680 --> 00:31:13.119
the novel. No, this is still the real world. Man. Yeah.

627
00:31:13.200 --> 00:31:16.400
Let's uh, let's take one last break and then when

628
00:31:16.400 --> 00:31:19.279
we return, we'll talk talk a little bit of trivia

629
00:31:19.279 --> 00:31:25.720
about Shane Black, and we'll wrap it up. Welcome back, Andrew.

630
00:31:25.720 --> 00:31:30.319
You know how this goes. Three it's a trivia about

631
00:31:30.319 --> 00:31:33.279
our director, and then we'll quote him. So, Shane Black,

632
00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:37.480
I'm we'll put you on the spot here four four

633
00:31:37.599 --> 00:31:41.920
of his screenplays begin with the letter L. Can you

634
00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:42.599
name them all?

635
00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:48.480
Long? Kiss? Good night? Yes, last boy scout. That's two

636
00:31:49.359 --> 00:31:51.799
you said four? Right, Okay, let the weapon.

637
00:31:51.759 --> 00:31:54.559
Leave the weapon. That's a that's a gimme. What's that

638
00:31:54.680 --> 00:31:57.440
last one? I'll give you a hint. We have covered it.

639
00:31:57.559 --> 00:32:00.319
I'll give you a hint. We have covered it on

640
00:32:00.440 --> 00:32:01.519
a film by podcast.

641
00:32:02.319 --> 00:32:04.359
Oh now, now it's really gonna hurt when I don't

642
00:32:04.359 --> 00:32:04.599
get it.

643
00:32:04.640 --> 00:32:07.240
Oh No, I'll give you another. I'll give you another hint,

644
00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:10.160
I'll give you another hand. Our buddies Jason and Dee

645
00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:13.240
covered it on the Surely You Can't Be Serious podcast.

646
00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:16.000
I'm gonna kick myself.

647
00:32:16.039 --> 00:32:21.599
Now we're looking, we're looking for last Action Hero.

648
00:32:22.519 --> 00:32:26.039
Oh, I'm embarrassed. I'm embarrassed.

649
00:32:27.160 --> 00:32:30.680
And you know there would have been five, but he

650
00:32:30.759 --> 00:32:32.920
walked off the set of Lethal Weapon two over a

651
00:32:32.920 --> 00:32:35.480
disagreement about what was gonna happen to Riggs, because he

652
00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:38.440
famously wanted Riggs to die at the end. Warner Brothers,

653
00:32:38.440 --> 00:32:42.880
seeing potential franchise, said absolutely not, so he left. They

654
00:32:42.880 --> 00:32:43.680
rewrote the script.

655
00:32:44.440 --> 00:32:46.279
Yeah, and again, that's one of the things I love

656
00:32:46.279 --> 00:32:49.680
about Shane Black is for all his you know, silliness,

657
00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:51.480
for all his humor, he's he's an artist. He's gonna

658
00:32:51.480 --> 00:32:53.039
do what he's gonna do, and he's gonna stand by it.

659
00:32:53.039 --> 00:32:53.680
And I respect that.

660
00:32:54.519 --> 00:32:56.640
Do you agree, Like, let's let's go back, let's go

661
00:32:56.720 --> 00:32:59.519
back in time. If Warner Brothers had said, hey, Shane,

662
00:32:59.519 --> 00:33:02.039
you go, you know what you're right? Do you think

663
00:33:02.079 --> 00:33:03.519
that was the right move? Would would it have been

664
00:33:03.559 --> 00:33:05.319
the right move to end it with lead the Weapon two?

665
00:33:05.519 --> 00:33:08.039
Or are we happy that we live in the Warner

666
00:33:08.039 --> 00:33:10.839
Brothers World where we get lead the Weapon three and

667
00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:14.920
four and potentially five because we you know Mel Gibson's

668
00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:16.200
working on the script for it right now.

669
00:33:16.960 --> 00:33:19.000
Yeah, I mean, hey, look I love Leath Wepon three

670
00:33:19.039 --> 00:33:22.839
and four. Uh, I could see Riggs dying at Leeth

671
00:33:22.880 --> 00:33:25.640
Weapon three. Keeping it as a trilogy two might be

672
00:33:25.680 --> 00:33:26.279
a bit early.

673
00:33:26.920 --> 00:33:29.880
Okay, you know, well he moving on.

674
00:33:30.039 --> 00:33:32.359
If that's what the writer wants, that's what the creator wants,

675
00:33:32.799 --> 00:33:34.119
you know what, let's let's try it.

676
00:33:34.799 --> 00:33:36.519
You gotta wonder what he had to say to Warner

677
00:33:36.519 --> 00:33:41.160
Brothers at that time, because fact number two, he is

678
00:33:41.240 --> 00:33:48.000
a self admitted sufferer of Tourette syndrome. Interesting, all the

679
00:33:48.039 --> 00:33:50.640
interviews I've seen him do. I mean, you gotta remember

680
00:33:50.680 --> 00:33:54.000
he's he's a he's an accomplished actor himself. I never

681
00:33:54.039 --> 00:33:55.480
would have thought. I never would have thought that.

682
00:33:56.319 --> 00:33:58.240
Yeah, I actually have a couple of friends at Turette's

683
00:33:58.279 --> 00:34:00.960
and you know, some obviously it deals better than others,

684
00:34:01.839 --> 00:34:06.200
but especially it's such a high stress job, like you'd imagine,

685
00:34:06.200 --> 00:34:07.920
it comes out a lot more, you know, trying to

686
00:34:08.000 --> 00:34:10.760
hide it, trying to manage all this, trying to write

687
00:34:10.760 --> 00:34:13.800
all this dialogue, like, that's that's a lot. So I mean,

688
00:34:13.840 --> 00:34:15.840
good on him for managing it the way he does.

689
00:34:16.239 --> 00:34:18.679
Yeah. Well, we talked about how he was kind of

690
00:34:18.679 --> 00:34:20.960
the king of the screenplay back in the late eighties

691
00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:24.719
and throughout the nineties. In nineteen ninety he held the

692
00:34:24.760 --> 00:34:28.239
record for the highest paid screenplay for The Last Boy

693
00:34:28.320 --> 00:34:33.400
Scout at one point seventy five million dollars, and he

694
00:34:33.400 --> 00:34:36.840
held that record all the way up to nineteen ninety six,

695
00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:41.119
when it was beaten by the screenplay for The Long

696
00:34:41.159 --> 00:34:44.599
Kiss good Night, which he also wrote and was paid

697
00:34:44.800 --> 00:34:45.920
four million dollars for.

698
00:34:47.000 --> 00:34:49.719
That's crazy, that's not it. I mean I liked The

699
00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:51.800
Long Kiss good Night. We've talked about it. It's not

700
00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:52.320
we love it.

701
00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:54.800
We covered it. Me and Ambert talked about that when

702
00:34:54.840 --> 00:34:55.800
last Christmas.

703
00:34:56.039 --> 00:34:57.440
Yeah, and I just love that movie.

704
00:34:57.440 --> 00:35:00.559
But I mean, come on, for million, I'm I'm just

705
00:35:00.599 --> 00:35:04.079
now connecting the dots too. We do a Shane Black

706
00:35:04.880 --> 00:35:07.519
Christmas movie last year, me and Amber with Lung kis

707
00:35:07.599 --> 00:35:09.599
k Night. You and I are doing one this year.

708
00:35:10.519 --> 00:35:13.559
And I am loving that because that's unintentional. I did'

709
00:35:13.599 --> 00:35:14.719
even think of that. I didn't even think about that

710
00:35:14.760 --> 00:35:15.400
until just now.

711
00:35:16.119 --> 00:35:17.800
It's Shane Black and Christmas. What are you gonna do?

712
00:35:17.800 --> 00:35:20.519
You gotta what you gotta, Well, let's talk. I'll give you.

713
00:35:20.599 --> 00:35:24.039
Let me give you a quote from Shane Black, and fittingly,

714
00:35:24.800 --> 00:35:28.880
it's it's for kiss, Kiss, Bang Bang. Shane said quote.

715
00:35:29.360 --> 00:35:32.280
I really wanted to set it at Christmas at the time.

716
00:35:32.360 --> 00:35:35.159
I wasn't even thinking about it. It seemed natural because

717
00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:37.559
I hadn't done a film at the time for quite

718
00:35:37.599 --> 00:35:40.519
some years. And there was no hesitation because I went

719
00:35:40.559 --> 00:35:43.039
with Joel Silver and we had already done a Christmas

720
00:35:43.039 --> 00:35:46.239
movie together with Lethal Weapon. Even Last Action Hero was

721
00:35:46.280 --> 00:35:50.239
a Christmas movie, so it was why not? And Christmas

722
00:35:50.239 --> 00:35:53.280
helped a lot the idea of this lonely guy in

723
00:35:53.320 --> 00:35:57.199
a brand new city at Christmas wandering. It's a bizarre,

724
00:35:57.320 --> 00:36:00.800
ironic take on Christmas in la It's it's not Christmasy

725
00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:04.119
at all, except there are miracles defined if you look

726
00:36:04.159 --> 00:36:08.079
closely enough for them. Harry Even says, last Christmas we

727
00:36:08.159 --> 00:36:11.239
kind of changed the world, meaning we actually did something

728
00:36:11.239 --> 00:36:15.400
at Christmas that A mattered and B was impossible. It

729
00:36:15.480 --> 00:36:17.079
was one of my favorite things to work on.

730
00:36:18.199 --> 00:36:20.960
I get that. And it's you mentioned earlier as rdj's

731
00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:23.199
one of his favorite projects that he's worked on, and

732
00:36:23.639 --> 00:36:25.119
I get it. I think this is the kind of

733
00:36:25.159 --> 00:36:28.199
thing I've said it about a few films, like, if

734
00:36:28.199 --> 00:36:29.760
I were to make a movie, this would be the

735
00:36:29.880 --> 00:36:33.480
kind I would hope I could make. Smart. It's emotional,

736
00:36:33.519 --> 00:36:36.599
it's funny, it's cool, it's all the things you want.

737
00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:40.960
So lately we've been asking the question, if someone watched

738
00:36:40.960 --> 00:36:44.159
this movie but we're unfamiliar with the director, what other

739
00:36:44.199 --> 00:36:47.239
three films would you suggest a watch. To be fair,

740
00:36:47.559 --> 00:36:50.599
there's only three others. So let's just let's just go

741
00:36:50.639 --> 00:36:54.719
down the line here, Andrew with these three. Twenty thirteen,

742
00:36:55.800 --> 00:36:56.599
iron Man.

743
00:36:56.440 --> 00:36:58.760
Three, Another Christmas classic.

744
00:36:58.880 --> 00:37:03.079
Another Christmas classic. Now you gotta remember Robert Downie Junior

745
00:37:03.159 --> 00:37:04.679
is kind of on the ropes. He's trying to mount

746
00:37:04.679 --> 00:37:09.559
a comeback, and this movie kind of kind of gives

747
00:37:09.639 --> 00:37:14.119
him a good foothold in Hollywood. Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang.

748
00:37:14.599 --> 00:37:16.320
So as a thank you to Shane Black for making

749
00:37:16.400 --> 00:37:18.760
him an a list star again, he gets him involved

750
00:37:18.800 --> 00:37:22.719
with Marvel and as a result, we get Ironman three,

751
00:37:22.760 --> 00:37:27.480
written and directed by Shane Black. Andrew, obviously it's better

752
00:37:27.519 --> 00:37:29.079
than Iron Man two. Can we go ahead and say that?

753
00:37:29.199 --> 00:37:29.440
Yeah?

754
00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:34.559
Oh okay, Okay, would you say it's better than ironmn.

755
00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:40.800
No, But there are really good things about it. This

756
00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:43.480
is one of the situations, and this happens a lot, unfortunately.

757
00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:46.519
You know with big studio movies, and especially anything Marvel

758
00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:49.000
or Disney owned. You can see a lot of the

759
00:37:49.039 --> 00:37:51.079
issues that it has were kind of shoehorned in by

760
00:37:51.079 --> 00:37:54.840
the studio. And you know me, I I love Marvevel.

761
00:37:55.159 --> 00:37:58.480
I've gotten two different shields right in front of my

762
00:37:58.519 --> 00:38:02.199
face right now from Captain America, so you know, I'm

763
00:38:02.199 --> 00:38:03.840
not crapping on them. But like you can see, they

764
00:38:03.920 --> 00:38:05.400
kind of wanted to do this this way. They wanted

765
00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:07.480
to push that that way. And you know, famously they

766
00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:09.360
wanted to have a male villain because they thought it

767
00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:12.679
would sell better toys. And I think that's a situation

768
00:38:12.760 --> 00:38:16.639
where not letting Shane Black do his thing hurt the film.

769
00:38:17.119 --> 00:38:19.199
I'll tell you another thing. I love Iron Man three,

770
00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:25.320
with exception to the Pepper Potts in the in the

771
00:38:25.360 --> 00:38:30.039
suit and listen, we you and I have talked thousands

772
00:38:30.079 --> 00:38:33.679
of hours about Marvel movies. You know my feeling towards

773
00:38:33.760 --> 00:38:38.480
Pepper Potts and Gwyneth Paltrow as a whole. I'm fine

774
00:38:38.480 --> 00:38:40.199
with her in the case we need her in those

775
00:38:40.519 --> 00:38:42.119
in the Iron Man films, but we don't need.

776
00:38:41.960 --> 00:38:44.280
Her just doing a superhero.

777
00:38:44.760 --> 00:38:47.760
She's not a superhero. Come on, let's just moving on.

778
00:38:48.800 --> 00:38:52.320
Twenty sixteen. If there was, if there was ever a

779
00:38:52.360 --> 00:38:57.079
movie that would satisfy your kiss kiss bang bang itch,

780
00:38:58.039 --> 00:38:59.000
it's The Nice Guys.

781
00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:03.199
Yeah it is. It is a spiritual sequel to this movie. Uh,

782
00:39:03.239 --> 00:39:05.559
it's you know you got your you're down on your

783
00:39:05.599 --> 00:39:07.880
luck idiot p I. I mean, I guess they're both

784
00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:12.400
pis in this one, but you know, lovable, not great people.

785
00:39:13.440 --> 00:39:16.599
One's a badass, one's kind of silly. It's it's very

786
00:39:16.679 --> 00:39:20.519
much of the same DNA and I I love it,

787
00:39:20.559 --> 00:39:21.199
I really do.

788
00:39:22.679 --> 00:39:27.559
Again. It's it's that neo noir, hard boiled detective type

789
00:39:27.559 --> 00:39:30.480
of film. It's hilarious, but it also has those moments

790
00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:34.320
where we're gonna get really serious for a moment m hm.

791
00:39:34.679 --> 00:39:36.679
And it's taken place in like the late seventies. I

792
00:39:36.920 --> 00:39:38.239
want to I want to live in a world where

793
00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:40.440
these two movies are in the same universe. Like I

794
00:39:40.440 --> 00:39:43.679
want to believe that that The Nice you know, I

795
00:39:43.679 --> 00:39:45.559
want to believe that the characters and the nice guys

796
00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:49.320
could could could bump into Val Kilmer and Robert Ian

797
00:39:49.400 --> 00:39:52.280
Junior in a coffee shop. That to me, that'd be amazing.

798
00:39:53.079 --> 00:39:55.639
Yeah, I mean it's his dialogue is brilliant, and you

799
00:39:55.679 --> 00:39:58.000
see some of the DNA from his previous movies as well,

800
00:39:58.079 --> 00:40:02.599
Like uh, Ryan Gosling's character's daughter very much reminds me

801
00:40:02.719 --> 00:40:05.519
of Bruce Willis his daughter in Last Boy Scout.

802
00:40:05.800 --> 00:40:09.280
It's the same role almost, yeah.

803
00:40:08.639 --> 00:40:10.480
But given a little more time, it sort of feels

804
00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:12.519
like he learned his lesson he saw worked and didn't work,

805
00:40:12.559 --> 00:40:14.039
and when I can do that a little bit better

806
00:40:14.039 --> 00:40:16.519
this time. And I love that, and I think that

807
00:40:17.079 --> 00:40:19.039
it shows, you know, kind of the opposite of what

808
00:40:19.079 --> 00:40:20.800
I was saying with Iron Man three. This is a

809
00:40:20.840 --> 00:40:23.199
guy that he understands his script. He understands how to

810
00:40:23.239 --> 00:40:25.920
make it. Well, just step back and let him do it.

811
00:40:26.360 --> 00:40:29.280
Step back and let him do it, may or may

812
00:40:29.320 --> 00:40:33.679
not be the right answer. In twenty eighteen, yeah, he tried.

813
00:40:34.119 --> 00:40:39.079
So he relaunches the Predator franchise. Now, yeah, here's the thing, man,

814
00:40:40.079 --> 00:40:43.000
we I don't know what your feelings are about the

815
00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:46.920
Predator films. I think we've got some incredible films I

816
00:40:46.920 --> 00:40:51.880
think we've got some I want to forget they happened moments.

817
00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:55.679
What's your take on his Predator.

818
00:40:56.760 --> 00:40:59.119
As far as I'm concerned that there's basically three Predator

819
00:40:59.159 --> 00:41:00.159
films and this isn't one.

820
00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:04.280
Of Oh that's saying something because I mean he stars

821
00:41:04.480 --> 00:41:06.719
in the original with Arnold I know.

822
00:41:06.920 --> 00:41:09.480
I was so excited when they said Shane Black was

823
00:41:09.519 --> 00:41:12.880
making a Predator movie. I was unbelievably pumped. I was like,

824
00:41:12.920 --> 00:41:15.079
this is the guy it gets. And they brought him

825
00:41:15.119 --> 00:41:17.960
into the original Predator as an actor with the hope

826
00:41:18.000 --> 00:41:20.679
that he would help beef up the script. So like,

827
00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:23.400
even in that very first one, the goal was to

828
00:41:23.400 --> 00:41:26.000
get Shane Black to put pen to paper. When it

829
00:41:26.000 --> 00:41:29.239
comes to Predator, I just it does not work. It

830
00:41:29.320 --> 00:41:33.440
feels like a sci fi channel like low budget movie

831
00:41:33.480 --> 00:41:36.480
with better special effects. And I love Shane Black, so

832
00:41:36.719 --> 00:41:38.119
it hurts to say, but it's true.

833
00:41:38.800 --> 00:41:42.119
I couldn't say that better. But seeing as how the

834
00:41:42.119 --> 00:41:45.480
holidays are they go hand in hand with fighting with family,

835
00:41:45.559 --> 00:41:49.800
I don't we might be about the fight Because you said,

836
00:41:49.880 --> 00:41:52.719
you said there's three good Predator films and this isn't

837
00:41:52.760 --> 00:41:55.519
one of them. What are your three?

838
00:41:55.679 --> 00:41:57.800
Well, I mean obviously Predator the first one.

839
00:41:58.320 --> 00:41:59.280
Obviously the first one.

840
00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:02.519
I count Predator to the same way I count Die

841
00:42:02.519 --> 00:42:05.880
Hard to. It's not as good, but I still love it. Okay,

842
00:42:05.880 --> 00:42:07.559
it's still good. It's still as part of the cannon.

843
00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:11.400
And then uh, Pray that just came out the Hulu one.

844
00:42:11.480 --> 00:42:12.760
I love that movie.

845
00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:16.360
All right, we're drinking cocoa together, because that's the three

846
00:42:16.400 --> 00:42:17.920
I had. I just I just wanted to make sure

847
00:42:19.360 --> 00:42:21.239
is he about to say Predators with Adrian Brody, because

848
00:42:21.239 --> 00:42:23.519
I'm gonna get I'm gonna get upset in a hurry.

849
00:42:23.800 --> 00:42:24.000
You know.

850
00:42:24.360 --> 00:42:25.800
That was the Fall and it was worth a watch.

851
00:42:25.840 --> 00:42:29.079
But nah, no, I like to forget that one happened to. Yeah,

852
00:42:29.159 --> 00:42:33.079
Pray definitely was was incredible and I look forward to

853
00:42:33.119 --> 00:42:34.800
the next one that Trachenberg's doing.

854
00:42:35.639 --> 00:42:38.239
Yeah. So going back to Shane Black. Here, the part

855
00:42:38.239 --> 00:42:40.880
of the reason I think Predator the Predator, excuse me

856
00:42:40.920 --> 00:42:47.360
it hurts so much, is it's such a rich canvas

857
00:42:47.400 --> 00:42:49.239
to paint with you like you could do so much

858
00:42:49.280 --> 00:42:53.920
with Predators. I was recently rewatching Buffy the Vampire Slayer,

859
00:42:53.960 --> 00:42:56.039
and at one point I had a thought, what would

860
00:42:56.079 --> 00:42:57.960
it be like? What if a Predator was hunting a slayer,

861
00:42:58.000 --> 00:43:00.079
that'd be kick ass. And you could just do that

862
00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:00.840
like nobody stopped.

863
00:43:00.840 --> 00:43:02.440
That'd be kind of awesome.

864
00:43:02.800 --> 00:43:05.840
Yeah, or you know you they could be hunting a samurai,

865
00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:08.039
or they could there's a thousand things that could. I

866
00:43:08.280 --> 00:43:10.960
remember I had a scoofing off with some friends talking

867
00:43:10.960 --> 00:43:13.480
about a specscript where they were hunting soldiers in World

868
00:43:13.480 --> 00:43:15.800
War Two and the you know, the acxis and ally

869
00:43:15.840 --> 00:43:17.679
soldiers had to kind of work together to try to survive.

870
00:43:17.679 --> 00:43:19.079
I was like, I would watch the hell out of

871
00:43:19.079 --> 00:43:21.599
that movie. Oh god, yeah, got the Predator.

872
00:43:21.840 --> 00:43:24.480
You know, well, Pray is putting us on a on

873
00:43:24.519 --> 00:43:27.840
a on an interesting course like Predator through the through

874
00:43:27.880 --> 00:43:32.480
the the generations. Because I would love to see the

875
00:43:32.519 --> 00:43:36.119
Predator taking on like some Union soldiers during the Civil

876
00:43:36.159 --> 00:43:39.719
War or you know, like to your like you said,

877
00:43:39.760 --> 00:43:41.800
the samurai. I mean, come on, that would be an

878
00:43:42.199 --> 00:43:44.360
It'd be an incredible moment for the for the movies.

879
00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:47.280
That's that's why the Predator hurts. It was it was

880
00:43:47.320 --> 00:43:48.480
such a missed opportunity.

881
00:43:48.880 --> 00:43:52.239
It was I know, kiss kiss Bang Bang is not

882
00:43:52.920 --> 00:43:57.559
a missed opportunity. Uh, Andrew your final thoughts on this

883
00:43:58.639 --> 00:44:00.519
incredible Christmas classic.

884
00:44:01.440 --> 00:44:03.840
It's genuinely one of my favorites. This is one of

885
00:44:03.840 --> 00:44:06.760
those movies I quote so often I kind of forget

886
00:44:06.760 --> 00:44:11.280
that I'm quoting it. Sometimes it's smart, it's funny. It's

887
00:44:11.320 --> 00:44:12.559
one of those movies you kind of like really have

888
00:44:12.599 --> 00:44:14.519
to sit and watch because you're only half bang attention.

889
00:44:14.559 --> 00:44:17.960
You're going to miss a lot. It's it's a must

890
00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:20.679
watch for anybody. For me, I will say it ends

891
00:44:20.760 --> 00:44:22.239
on one of the best lines for that though, which

892
00:44:22.280 --> 00:44:24.000
is to all the nice people in the Midwest. Sorry

893
00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:27.639
we said fuck so much because it's not for everybody,

894
00:44:27.760 --> 00:44:29.880
But if that's your cup of tea, one hundred percent

895
00:44:29.920 --> 00:44:31.719
recommend fantastic.

896
00:44:32.599 --> 00:44:36.360
Yeah. This neo noir black comedy has Shane Black's slick dialogue,

897
00:44:36.480 --> 00:44:39.840
great comedic performances by Robert Downey Junior, Val Kilmer, Michelle

898
00:44:39.880 --> 00:44:43.000
Monaghan and Lo and Behold. It is a Christmas movie.

899
00:44:43.000 --> 00:44:45.559
So if you're a fan of Shane Black's work and

900
00:44:45.639 --> 00:44:48.719
you haven't seen it, what are you waiting for? It's

901
00:44:48.719 --> 00:44:51.559
not streaming free, but for a couple bucks you can

902
00:44:51.559 --> 00:44:55.880
rent it on most platforms like Prime, Apple Plus, Google YouTube.

903
00:44:56.679 --> 00:44:58.679
We want to know what you think of Kiss kiss,

904
00:44:58.679 --> 00:45:01.760
Bang Bang have you seen do you consider it a

905
00:45:01.840 --> 00:45:04.280
Christmas movie? You can let us know on social media.

906
00:45:04.360 --> 00:45:07.960
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Andrew speaking about that you will find in the show notes.

914
00:45:28.199 --> 00:45:30.440
We got a link. We got a fun little survey

915
00:45:31.679 --> 00:45:34.639
that we have posted on our social media channels. We

916
00:45:34.679 --> 00:45:36.199
just want to hear what you guys think. You know,

917
00:45:37.039 --> 00:45:39.760
give us some feedback because Andrew, as I told you

918
00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:42.599
and the others, we're getting quite a lot of responses,

919
00:45:44.039 --> 00:45:47.960
positive feedback, I'm happy to say. But some of these

920
00:45:47.960 --> 00:45:51.320
listeners have given us some really great ideas for stuff

921
00:45:51.360 --> 00:45:53.920
they want to see, and I'll be happy to share

922
00:45:53.920 --> 00:45:54.800
that with all of you.

923
00:45:55.599 --> 00:45:57.639
How much they want to hear the smooth sounds of

924
00:45:57.639 --> 00:46:00.079
my voice is that recurring message? I think?

925
00:46:00.679 --> 00:46:05.960
Well to that point, you're you're you're you're busy this month? Uh?

926
00:46:06.079 --> 00:46:08.760
You are you are the hardest working Elf and Santa's

927
00:46:08.760 --> 00:46:11.559
Workshop because uh, we're we got we got more for

928
00:46:11.679 --> 00:46:15.679
you on our Patreon, and I think you're coming back

929
00:46:15.719 --> 00:46:18.880
at the end of the year with uh, we'll we'll

930
00:46:18.920 --> 00:46:20.519
go ahead and we'll go and tease it. We get

931
00:46:20.519 --> 00:46:22.960
a little, a little something for the H the listeners right.

932
00:46:23.639 --> 00:46:26.840
A little doing your surprise. Yeah, looking forward to sharing

933
00:46:26.840 --> 00:46:28.280
that with you guys, but I don't want to give

934
00:46:28.280 --> 00:46:29.000
it all away yet.

935
00:46:29.440 --> 00:46:32.760
Look forward to that one. And Uh to all of

936
00:46:32.800 --> 00:46:34.960
you out there listening to the show, following us on

937
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social media, subscribing to our Patreon, we thank you and

938
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say enjoy all that holiday shopping. H