Stephen Herek - Rock Star

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Okay, man, I don't get
it, so explain it to me.

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What's the difference between a cover band
and a tribute band. All right,

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well, that's it's pretty straightforward.
But the difference mainly is most people that

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put the bands together start off as
cover bands. They're usually doing like popular

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rock songs from the time, a
lot of classic rock stuff, Zeppelin,

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you know, Rolling Stones, a
lot of party songs that would be played,

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say at a reception, you know, at a party, something like

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that, and they kind of just
play what's popular now. A tribute band

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focuses on one band. For instance, the Four Horsemen is a Metallica tribute

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band. We have the Iron Maidens, which is an Iron Maiden tribute band,

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and all Girl Maiden tribute band,
the Fab four Beatles tribute band.

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So their job is sometimes to look
the part as well as just do that

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one band's songs Juliet like, sometimes
even do a specific set list from a

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tour, things like that. Well, Dayton, if you're ready to stand

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up, stand up and shout,
let's talk about a film by Stephen Herrick,

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his two thousand and one underrated rock
classic rock Star. Hello everybody,

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and welcome back to a film by
a podcast. I'm Jeff Johnson joining me

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today friend and rock connoisseur Dayton Johnson
of the Docking Bay seventy seven podcast.

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Hello, Dayton, let's rock and
roll man. Man it is it's been

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a while since you've you've been over
here on a film buy, so I'm

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happy to have you. It's been
a minute. I saw, I saw

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you. I saw you brought a
bag with you. You know, I

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kind of get the impression you're gonna
be staying all week, so we'll get

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to that later. But yep,
but yeah, you want to tell for

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the listeners, maybe maybe the first
time listener, you want to tell them

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a little bit about doccing based seventy
seven. Sure. Sure, Basically it's

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me as a host in kind of
the brains behind everything. But I have

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a lot of friends You've been on
there before, and I believe I've kind

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of pill for most of the people
on your podcast, and we talk about

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anything from movies to music. We've
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you know, we even did some
did a top seven list on our

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celebrity crushes things like that. So
it's a lot of good people with a

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lot of differing opinions and which makes
for a lot of fuscussions. So yeah,

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we like to hit some popular stuff
as well as some things maybe you

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aren't familiar with. I love the
show. I've loved the opportunity to be

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on there more times than a few. And hopefully I know the last time

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I was on there, I did
not have a great opinion about a movie

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that you love. So oh that's
all right, Still waiting, still waiting

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for a callback for for a future
episode. But I guess we'll see.

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Ohry, You'll come back, I
promise, so Dayton. Rockstar is one

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of those movies I know. I
know critically it was kind of mixed reviews,

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did not do well at the box
office. I think this really flew

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into the radar for a lot of
a lot of folks. You want to

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you want to tell the listeners what
Rockstar is all about? Sure a thing.

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Chris is the Cole is the front
man in the Steel Dragon tribute band

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in Pennsylvania known as Blood Pollution.
After a huge blowout fight on stage,

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the other band members fire him.
At the same time, his idol,

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Bobby Bears of Steel Dragon Quits Slash, gets fired from his own band,

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and guess what they need a replacement. Is Chris up for the challenge of

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stepping into those boots? Is he
ready for the rock and roll lifestyle?

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Loosely based on the actual event of
ripper Owens joining heavy metal Icons Judas Priest

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after Rob Halford's So, yeah,
that's that's the weird thing here this movie.

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It's kind of a true story.
It's it's so this guy, Tim

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ripper Owens, he's he's a singer
and a Judas Priest tribute band, and

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he's chosen to replace the front man, Rob Halford right when he when you

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know, Halford leaves the band.
I remember this, Do you remember this

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happening? Yeah? Oh yeah,
I remember thinking. Number one, how

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are they going to go on without
Halford? Because let's be honest, Halford's

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voice is truly iconic, and you
know, they, like I said,

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they're heavy metal icons, So moving
forward without him seemed very unusual. I

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mean, you got to try and
move forward. You got to pay the

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bills, you got to make the
records. So I mean it's cool that

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somebody who you know, is from
the middle of nowhere, who is not

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famous, got a chance. You
know. It's like he got called up

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from the miners to the big leagues, you know what I mean. And

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so that's really cool. And I
like the idea of taking that story and

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putting into a film, you know, So I'm interested. I was interested

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to watch it, and I had
heard about it, and I remember thinking,

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you know, I'm not all excited
when that change happened. And I

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remember not liking those that album very
much, but you know what, that's

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okay. Yeah, So I mean
I was always a casual priest fan,

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but I knew enough to know that
Rob Halford leaving that's a big problem.

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Yep. And if I did hear
the next album after his departure, I

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don't remember it. So was it
a situation, I mean, was it

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a situation where the guy had a
very similar voice to Halford's or was he

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doing his own thing? No,
he had a From what I remember,

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it's very similar. You know,
he hit those screams, He can hit

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those notes. So it wasn't like
when Maiden replaced Dickinson with Blaze Bailey,

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who does not sound You really can't
hit the same ranges. So that was

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the thing. I mean. In
being a tribute band, typically the idea

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is you can look in sound like
the band for Modeled After and so yeah,

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from what I understand, Ripper could
hit that. And by the way,

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his nickname Ripper comes from a song
off of Sad Wings of Destiny from

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Judas Priest. How about that?
Okay, this is I mean the story.

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I love the story. I love
the you know, the local kid

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makes good type of vibe. It's
got going on, and I think it's

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cool that it's based off off a
true story, but it's we've heard this

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story also. But you know with
other bands like Didn't Didn't. Wasn't there

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a similar story that happened with Journey? Yeah, well yeah, when Steve

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Perry left, they they went out
and found a guy. I think they

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was through auditions or whatever, but
they found a guy who basically sounds just

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like Steve Perry, if you can
believe that, because Steve Perry has such

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a fantastic voice. But yeah,
you can find these people, but it's

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it's rare and usually when you find
a new singer, this sound has to

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change. So yeah, they as
far as I know, the guy that

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replaced Steve Perry wasn't famous. No, yeah, I thought I thought he

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was like like discovered in like a
carry jokey bar if you know, or

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something like that. Right, But
I'll tell you something. The second time

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I saw Journey, I remember telling
my buddies I was like, halfway through

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the concert, I was like,
damn, Steve Perry still has it and

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they were like, no, he
doesn't. That's not Steve Perry. And

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then you know, you look closer
and I was like, that is definitely

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not Steve Perry on stage, but
it's it's Steve Perry's voice. So yeah,

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that is very very I love.
I love stories like this. Let's

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talk. Let's talk a little bit
about the cast and crew, because there

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are some deep cuts in this cast, and I know, I know there's

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some people in this cast that you
absolutely love. So let's uh, we

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gotta start with Mark Wahlberg. He's
he's playing Chris is he cole? Right?

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So the role Dayton, who did
the role originally go to So originally

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Brad Pitt actually signed on to play
that part, And unfortunately, in my

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brain after seeing this movie, Brad
Pitt would have been a much better choice.

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He would really yes, because I
think he would have brought a lot

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of nuance and depth to the character
that we don't get out of Walburg.

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Now, I enjoy Wahlberg, you
know, and I he's one of those

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actors that, given the right director, can give you a very good performance.

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But without that leadership, he's going
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gives you the rest of the time. So wait, you're you say,

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and you're saying, you're saying his
performance in rock Star is is more of

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the it's the pace. Yeah,
it's there. I'm surprised you I'm surprised

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you see that man, because well
you see him in The Fighter. There's

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a lot of emotion in there.
There's a lot of feeling in that performance.

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In this one not so much.
You know, he's kind of he's

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he's he's really out of his element
though. Man, I mean, like

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Mark Wahlberg playing a metal singer like
that, I would never have have considered

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him. I agree, And I, like I said, had he been

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given the right director that understood the
material or was one of those people that

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can get those great performances out of
their talent, then I think it's fine.

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I mean, look, like I
said, look specifically the Fighter.

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Look what he got out of that
one. But you know, I don't

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hate the choice. It's just he
hmm, he's not he's not as strong.

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Like we don't even get enough time
with him before he joins, you

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know, still Dragon to really like
him. In fact, he's kind of

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whiney and you know, he gets
in that fight over like with his guitar

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players not playing it right, and
it's like, dude, you're taking this

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way too serious and they they didn't
give us enough time to like him.

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And then he gets sucked up and
into this lifestyle and you kind of like

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him for a minute and then he
kind of, you know, spoiler,

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goes off the rail. Would it
would it be fair to say, you

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know, you're if you're not too
happy with this performance? Would would it

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be fair to say you got to
put some of that responsibility on his acting

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coach, because you know who I'm
talking about, don't you? Uh No,

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off the top of my head.
So, while shooting The Perfect Storm,

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Wahlberg was immersing himself into the metal
scene. He's going to concerts left

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and right. He's hanging out with
as many people as he can. And

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one of those people that he hung
out with a lot to learn the lifestyle

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was Motley Cruz Vince Neil. So
well, I don't honestarily, you didn't

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know if you call that an acting
coach drinking partner, but you said,

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you said, uh, you would
have preferred Brad Pitt. Now he's married

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at the time, he's married to
Jennifer Aniston, and she is in the

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role she's she's playing Emily, the
band manager, you know, Izzy's girlfriend.

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I'm gonna go ahead and say it, this is probably my favorite Jennifer

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Aniston performance, maybe next to like
something like Horrible Bosses, because she's not

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Rachel in this movie at all.
Did you like? Did you? Did

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you you like Jennifernson in this right? She was okay, she was okay.

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She had the best line, you
know, she said, I'm a

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businesswoman and I know to follow the
talent and all the talent this band just

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walked out the door. That was
a great line. And she's delibered very

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well. She did. I just
I don't like I said I. I

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don't necessarily think she was the wrong
choice. But you know, going back

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through Harrick's filmography, you can see
that if he if he has strong actors

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in the roles, the movies turned
out little bit better. Because I don't

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I don't see him very much as
an actor's director, you know what I

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mean, Like, he's not Asporsese. He he's not He's not going to

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push these people to give them these
great performances. She's fine, she's fine.

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She's not great. You know,
I've seen her and better, you

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know, but what's but what's better? Like something like The Good Girl.

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Yeah, that was pretty good.
I think there was. I mean,

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the Horrible Bosses. She was just
that was just a psychopath. She was

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definitely not playing Rachel in that one. What's the one? She's the one,

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wasn't that with uh Edward Oliver Burns? Yeah? Ed Burns? Yeah,

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Yeah, that was good. It
was a good mat you know,

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because it wasn't it wasn't Rachel.
It was just different enough for us to

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not look at her and go,
hey, she's on friends, you know

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what I mean? Mm hmm.
I just I appreciate that she's not the

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like the groupie, the rock star
groupie girlfriend. She's smart, she's strong,

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she runs the show with with blood
pollution, right, and and she

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she you know, she sticks with
Chris until his you know, you know,

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life of debauchery when he's still dragging, and she's strong enough and smart

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enough to know like I'm better,
I deserve better than I'm leaving. So

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yep, I like Dannoson all so
the character. I didn't have a problem

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with the character, and she wasn't
bad. I just think there could be

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better choices or like I said,
Harrok could have I think, given her

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more to work with. I don't
know. Let's talk now. He's that

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He's only in the movie, I'd
say, briefly, how about how about

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Timothy Olafant. He's playing Rob,
the lead guitarist for Blood Pollution. I

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mean, I Love Again not a
typical Timothy Elephant movie. Well, if

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you go back and you look,
he's done a lot of different things,

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man, I mean he was even
at one point he was uh he was

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in Practical Magic for a blink of
an eye and was fired and then he

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went on to go be in the
Go, which which is fantastic. Yes

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it is. You guys covered that
one, didn't you? We did.

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It was one of our Patreon episodes. That's right. But yeah, so

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he he does. I mean people
think of him from a oh what's the

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show on FX? My brain's gone? He's the Marshall Justified thank you.

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Yeah, so that's a you know, people think of him in that a

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lot. So yeah, it's definitely
different than that, for sure. Uh.

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He was good, you know.
I enjoyed him on the screen.

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He made the best of the few
scenes he had. But I got admit,

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that was a terrible wig. There's
a lot of terrible wigs though,

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a lot of terrible wigs in Rockstar. Yeah, it was bad, all

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right. So you're digging Timothy Elephant, how about how about the other Timothy

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we got? We got Timothy's spall. He's playing Matt's, the Steel Dragons

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manager. He's he's even creepier in
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movies. Matt's is creeper than Wormtail. Oh yeah, absolutely, Well,

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yeah, I can't defend him.
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him. I'm thinking about the p
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Yeah he was. It was definitely
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know, And and he didn't have
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I mean, to make his to
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character and he did a great job. Yeah. I I honestly, I'm

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a I'm a small fan. You
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lot of him, you know,
in big Hollywood movies. But when he's

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there, he's memorable. I think, oh yeah, I'll tell you what

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I feel is memorable. Let's let's
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Yes, please, because I because
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lead. We'll talk about the rhythm
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You know, obviously I quickly recognized
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he played Jigsaw and Punish Your war
Zone, right. I know he's

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done a lot of television, but
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Yeah, he's pretty good. You
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the the Whigs were distracting me,
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look past those. But yeah,
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the rock star attitude when he needed
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know when he had that kind of
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about you know, he tried Izzy. He pried to bring those songs to

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him. Hey, I wrote some
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uh, you know, I write, I write the songs along with no

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Ac or whatever, and it's like, you know, you just sing the

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lyrics, and I'm just like,
WHOA, that was cold. Were you

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getting a real Lars Ulric vibe from
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You just so no, because Lars
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Okay, well, James and Larzo. Like if you've seen the documentaries,

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you know, I know you're a
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it's it's kind of like they run
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you know, and I kind of
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it's like it's it's marriage of the
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know in this it's Still Dragon.
It's it's Kirk and Ac. They write

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the songs, they get all the
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show up and play your part.
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it, Dayton, tell tell the
listeners who is on who's on lead guitar

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for Still Dragon Guy? Guy character's
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him quite well, don't we.
So it actually took me a little time

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because I'm watching them doing their stage
performance and I'm like, I know that

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stance, I know that head swing
and I'm like, but he was clean

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shave, and that threw me off. Yeah, Mike, who are we

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talking about? Who were talking about? It's Zach Wilde, Man, it's

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Zach wild Zach freaking Wild Ozzy Osbourne
label Society. And I'm glad that you

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said that, because the first couple
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years, I always like the first
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that guy that looks familiar. And
then maybe the second or third time I

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watched it, I was like,
this guy is doing his best Zach Wilde

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impersonation, and then you come to
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that his his iconic beard is gone
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Yeah. I was halfway through the
movie before I was like, I

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have to look that up. I
know who that is that It was driving

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me nuts. Yeah, it's just
it's well, you know the well you

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know, it's just like that stance. You cannot you can't see that stance

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if you're if you're a metal fan, right, you know it And I

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don't know. I love the fact
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and say this, I love the
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like we got some rock rolty happening
when they could have just had anyone play

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these parts. But I love the
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like a super band. Uh,
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Yep, you want to tell us
about Uh who's playing bass? So that

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took me a little bit longer to
recognize him, But Uh, it's Jeff

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Pilson from Docin Yeah. He started
with Dowkin, right, and he's he's

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with Foreigner now, am I right
about that? Or yeah, okay he

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did yep, yep, he's touring
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and again, like you're watching,
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things I'll go ahead say this too. One of the things I like about

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this movie is when they are performing
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are these are real musicians, These
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play, know how to work the
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stage. So I think it's fantastic. I absolutely love who they chose to

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play the drummer. Ac Now,
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is wearing a wig and it's been
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hair. So it took me a
while and I had to look that up.

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Jason Bonham, you know, John
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who who's done a lot of touring
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But yeah, that was that was
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wonder they look like they know what
they're doing. If have you seen have

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you seen Jason Bonham in concert Dayton? No? Not not no, not

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in person. He's over the over
the last you know, I don't know,

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five ten years he's been doing Jason
Bonham's Led Zeppelin experience. Yes,

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I did see that. It is
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and it's it's a hot ticket.
Man. He is fantastic. The last

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time I saw him he was with
Heart. Uh. And then you know

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they you know Heart, if you
if you've seen Heart and concert, you

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know they they love to cover led
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he plays with them, then they
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same. It's it's a fantastic show. So I would strongly recommend it.

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I'd recommend seeing any of these guys. You know, one other person I

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want to I want to point out, let's talk about the writer on this

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film. It's John Stockwell. Yeah, that kind of I had I recognized

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that, but I had look it
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it's he was in Top Gun,
he was in Christie. This is

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JO. So for those that don't
know John Stockwell is, he's famous for

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his role as Cougar and Top Gun. He was in John Carpenter's Christine.

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He's in one of my favorite eighties
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Oh yeah, that's right, I
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that one at some point. I'll
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But it's just odd that Stockwell is
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because he's not like a prolific screenwriter. He's you know, yeah, I

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mean, I mean I looked him
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a a history of writing, so
yeah, I know he's directed some stuff

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after, you know, even after
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was kind of a surprise. I
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name, but I know they brought
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the script after the fact. But
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still a surprise, I thought.
So I'll tell you what, Dan,

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Let's let's take a quick break,
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a little bit about how this movie
came to be. Welcome back. We've

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got Dayton Johnson from the Docking Base
seventy seven podcast with us, and we

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are talking about Steven Herrick's rock star. Dayton. You mentioned Tim Ripper Owens

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earlier, so he sells his story
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seven. Hollywood comes calling to option
the film rights. Warner Brothers wins the

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bidding. War Stockwell, you know, they hire Stockwell, we were just

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thought we were talking about him before
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he's not really immersed in hair metal
culture, and his research takes him to

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Akron, Ohio of all places,
right, I saw that. Yeah,

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what what's what's the what's what's an
Akron, Ohio? Well, I can

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tell you, Uh, Tim Ripper
Owens owns owns a bar in Akron,

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Ohio. He absolutely does. He. You know, hey, let's go

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straight to the source, right,
Uh, I got I'd love to go

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to We need to go to Akron
and see this bar sounds like a rota

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uh, and that either'd be a
fun road trip. And if you're wondering

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what kind of bart is, you
guessed it. He features tribute bands.

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So that's got to be a great
night, well day, and we're going

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to look into that, and you
know, let's call let's call it Scott

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Hoffin and John Wright and let's let's
let's make a trip. I think you

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know you were talking about this earlier. It's intended to be a biopic sort

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of like a documentary style about Judas
Priest called metal God and that was apparently

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that was that's Rob Halford's nickname.
You know, members of the band were

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involved for a little bit. Uh. They were offering personal stories, but

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you know they're scheduling conflicts. Ultimately
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start I think. I think that's
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original story. That's that's partly based
on Priest. Back to Wahlberg, who

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is not impressing you. He spends
five he spends five months growing his hair

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out. That's his real hair's working
with a vote. Yes, here's here's

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the thing though, he's working over
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vocal coach. Yet he doesn't perform
like any of the music. He's not

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singing any of these songs. So
the fact is, though, you still

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need to be able to look like
you're doing it. You know, there

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is a certain way you have to
breathe when you're singing, especially when you're

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screaming like that, And so I
get it. It's kind of plays to

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him looking believable because if you're surrounding
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actual musicians, he needs to be
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a little bit, because, like
as we said, he's not doing the

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singing. And I this this soundtrack
is just awesome. Can you can you

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give me that at least there are
some good songs on the soundtrack. Okay,

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And I'm talking to about I'm talking. I'm not just talking still dragging.

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I'm talking like the various artists.
This is a good various artist type

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of soundtrack. I think it is. It is. I will say that

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they have some really good songs on
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on the actual soundtrack, but heard
in the movie. You got tracks from

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a CDC culture club, a couple
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Frankie goes to Hollywood talking heads.
I mean, it's this movie is packed

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with good music as far as I'm
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actual soundtrack goes, We've got We've
got Motley Cruz Wildside, which I remember

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that scene, and this is kind
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band, he's kind of living the
rock star life, right. They're they're

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trashing hotel rooms, he's starting to
do drugs, he's messing around with the

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girls. Perfect perfect song, I
think for that scene. Yeah, that's

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probably. I know they also earlier
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that one made sense too. But
my problem is, a apart from those

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few, it seems like a lot
of the songs that were chosen were just

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picked because, Hey, we got
the rights to Deaf Leopard songs, let's

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put him in there, and we
got to write you know, we got

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the rights to lick it up from
Kiss, so let's just stick it in

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there. And yeah, but I'll
be calling on okay, so maybe with

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Deaf Leopard I'll I'll give you,
I'll give you Deaf Leopard, but Lick

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It Up is kind of perfectly timed
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Come on, dude, I mean, we're we're We're not a I'm trying

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not to keep turning this on a
ratedar episode, but he's there, they're

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speaking specifically about something, yeah,
you know, and then Lick it Up

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with that that just that I don't
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a good time that I kept getting
kind of bipolar disorder. It's like,

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you go from these songs that are
cool and but they just didn't seem to

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fit, and then you go to
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Heads's where you hear in excess,
which makes sense because they're in a dance

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club. But to me, a
soundtrack should be more than just hey,

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we got cool songs, you know
what I mean. On your podcast,

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I talked about the soundtrack to stand
By Me. It was literally a character

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in the move, you know.
I mean, the songs were chosen for

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certain moods to reflect what's going on
in the scene. Same thing with Fast

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Times Origemal High. There are those
songs that are chosen fit so well with

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the scenes. To me, I
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got it right like maybe thirty percent
of the time. And then there's a

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there's a couple of times where like
they do this montages, which are great,

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we all love eighties montages, but
of course this is two thousand and

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one. But either way, the
problem was they're doing this montage to def

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Leppard, and part of that montage
is then one stage, so it it

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looked like they were playing deaf Leppard
song. So okay, My thing is,

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it's been done better before. And
this is spinal Tap a great example

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of when to use certain songs,
right fictional band, so why not?

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another great example of when to use certain

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songs that further the story. This
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we got all these great songs,
let's just put them in here. And

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I mean, like I said,
there's great songs in there, but they

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just don't seem to help tell the
story or you know, or help us

404
00:27:17.799 --> 00:27:18.799
with the mood at the time.
I mean, they do occasionally, like

405
00:27:18.839 --> 00:27:22.119
you mentioned those couple, but in
general, it's just kind of like,

406
00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:25.319
yeah, here's another cool song.
All right, I'll tell you what,

407
00:27:26.559 --> 00:27:29.920
so, top Gun, what do
you think about when you hear Danger Zone?

408
00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:33.319
It goes instantly to that, to
that movie, right, because yeah,

409
00:27:33.680 --> 00:27:37.880
absolutely you can picture those scenes with
these songs. Not so much.

410
00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:41.880
Every time I hear American Girl from
Tom Petty, I think of the first

411
00:27:41.920 --> 00:27:45.599
day in school at Fast Times originally
high when they're walking into school and you're

412
00:27:45.640 --> 00:27:49.000
following Jennifer Jason Lee's character. That's
what you think of. Absolutely, I

413
00:27:49.039 --> 00:27:52.640
think of that poor girl. I
think of that poor girl in Silence of

414
00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:55.960
the Lambs. As soon as I
hear American Girl, I'm thinking about Buffalo

415
00:27:56.039 --> 00:27:57.880
Bill and I turned the channel.
I mean, I love Petty. I

416
00:27:57.880 --> 00:28:03.759
love that song. Jeff, I
bet, I bet I'm not the only

417
00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:07.359
one listeners. What do you Which
movie do you think of when you hear

418
00:28:07.400 --> 00:28:10.160
Tom Petty's American Girl? Is it
Fast Times or is it Silence of the

419
00:28:10.200 --> 00:28:11.759
Lambs. Let's let's settle this,
uh, you know, reach out to

420
00:28:11.839 --> 00:28:15.279
us and let us know. But
I'll tell you what, Daton, I

421
00:28:15.319 --> 00:28:19.319
will concede that to your point,
there's a lot of there's a lot of

422
00:28:19.359 --> 00:28:22.759
songs. It's like, hey,
we we had the money, let's we

423
00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:26.400
already bought the song, so let's
jam it in there, or we still

424
00:28:26.400 --> 00:28:29.480
have the rights, let's just jam
it in there. But I think Lick

425
00:28:29.519 --> 00:28:33.359
It Up was wash was properly placed
in a in a humorous way. I

426
00:28:33.400 --> 00:28:38.200
think Wildside definitely fit the scene that
you hear it. And I'll end on

427
00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:45.160
this one Stranglehold by Ted Nugent.
I think that scene that that is a

428
00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:47.720
hot scene, man, Like they're
in the club. It's like after the

429
00:28:47.720 --> 00:28:52.920
first concert. There's I mean,
it's like a George Michael video, you

430
00:28:52.960 --> 00:28:56.240
know, George Michael beats Madonna video, Like everyone's writhing around and slinky and

431
00:28:56.319 --> 00:29:02.799
just yeah. But I you wouldn't
you wouldn't think stranglehold. And if I'm

432
00:29:02.839 --> 00:29:06.920
not mistaken, this is like the
second time or maybe it's the first time

433
00:29:06.920 --> 00:29:08.559
he does it, but this is
like, I know, We've got two

434
00:29:08.640 --> 00:29:15.359
Mark Wahlberg movies that have him in
a montage moment to stranglehold. It's this

435
00:29:15.400 --> 00:29:19.920
one, and then in the football
movie Philadelphia Eagles movie, he did Invincible,

436
00:29:21.480 --> 00:29:22.559
right, Okay, I think I
think Invincible, Well, that came

437
00:29:22.599 --> 00:29:26.960
out a couple of years after this
one. So remember that him and his

438
00:29:26.039 --> 00:29:30.000
but he comes home and him and
his buddies are playing like backyard football.

439
00:29:30.799 --> 00:29:34.160
Yeah at night with the headlights.
He probably just cut his hair just a

440
00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:37.319
little bit for that one, because
you know he starts shaggy hair in that

441
00:29:37.359 --> 00:29:42.279
one exactly. Yeah, well,
I don't know, so, you know,

442
00:29:42.359 --> 00:29:47.119
I'm kind of surprised. I thought
you'd be really really big on this,

443
00:29:48.559 --> 00:29:52.000
on this uh this soundtrack. Let's
talk. We gotta talk about good

444
00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:56.680
songs on there, but they're just
not used properly, you know. Let's

445
00:29:56.680 --> 00:30:00.640
talk. Okay, well, let's
talk about the let's talking about the still

446
00:30:00.680 --> 00:30:03.559
Dragon songs. I like those.
They're great, right, yes, they

447
00:30:03.599 --> 00:30:07.160
are there should have been, all
right, Did you have a favorite?

448
00:30:08.559 --> 00:30:11.160
I mean, let me you know
you have, you got, you got

449
00:30:11.160 --> 00:30:17.599
blood Pollution, you got stand Up
and Shout, Wasted Generation. I like

450
00:30:17.640 --> 00:30:19.880
stand Up and Shout. I think
stand Up and Shouts probably the best one,

451
00:30:19.960 --> 00:30:22.920
right, because that's the one they
that's the one they open the show,

452
00:30:23.079 --> 00:30:27.079
like when they show him at the
concert for the first time. Yeah,

453
00:30:27.160 --> 00:30:30.079
yeah, that's what I thought.
Okay, yeah, And that's my

454
00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:33.319
thing. It's like, anytime they're
on stage, we should have heard nothing

455
00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:36.440
but their songs, you know what
I mean. And that's a that's a

456
00:30:36.440 --> 00:30:38.960
fair it's a nitpick, but it's
it's a fair nitpick, I think.

457
00:30:40.039 --> 00:30:42.559
Yeah, but it's about that band
and that If it's about him and that

458
00:30:42.759 --> 00:30:47.759
in his favorite band, then there
just should have been more of their songs.

459
00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:51.920
All right, what about the ballad
We All Die Young? Because we

460
00:30:51.960 --> 00:30:53.000
hear that, We hear them sing
that on stage a couple of times.

461
00:30:53.200 --> 00:30:56.200
Yeah. Like I said, all
that, I enjoyed all theirs, all

462
00:30:56.240 --> 00:30:57.839
the ones, all the originals,
I mean, mostly because you have real

463
00:30:57.920 --> 00:31:02.039
musicians in there, guys the band
playing on the songs, and you know

464
00:31:02.079 --> 00:31:06.519
you had real uh you know,
you have Jeff Scott Soto doing some of

465
00:31:06.519 --> 00:31:11.240
the vocals, who was within Bay
Malmstein and and uh some other bands,

466
00:31:11.240 --> 00:31:14.920
so he's been around for a while. Well he was also Transfiberian Orchestra,

467
00:31:15.079 --> 00:31:18.359
So that guy, you know,
real vocalist. You have the lead singer

468
00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:23.119
from Third Eye Blind who shows up
as the other tribute band from Pennsylvania.

469
00:31:23.200 --> 00:31:27.680
What are they called, Black Babylon, Black Babylon. Yeah, yeah,

470
00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:32.039
and he's when it takes over for
uh, for Izzy when he gets kicked

471
00:31:32.039 --> 00:31:33.039
out of the band. So,
which I thought was an interesting choice that

472
00:31:33.079 --> 00:31:37.000
he would be picked. Yeah,
and we we got some other we got

473
00:31:37.039 --> 00:31:41.039
some other interesting cameos here, right
from real rock stars. Yeah you have.

474
00:31:42.160 --> 00:31:47.319
Well you also got uh c uh
blase alias from Slaughter, who was

475
00:31:47.440 --> 00:31:49.920
one of the drummers of the band. You actually have another Black Label Society

476
00:31:49.960 --> 00:31:56.079
member uh uh Nick Kennanese. He
was uh in the guitar player for Blood

477
00:31:56.559 --> 00:32:00.960
Pollution as well. And then the
guy that takes over for Chris when he

478
00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:06.000
gets kicked out of Blood Pollution is
Stephen Jenkins of Third Eye Blind. Oh

479
00:32:06.160 --> 00:32:07.400
okay, well, I see,
I didn't know. I didn't. I

480
00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:12.720
didn't see those, but I know
you're you're more the You're more the music

481
00:32:12.759 --> 00:32:15.119
expert. But I did when I
started seeing there. When I started looking

482
00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:15.839
at his face, I'm like,
going, wait, that hair doesn't seem

483
00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:17.519
right, and I had to look
it up and I'm like, oh,

484
00:32:17.599 --> 00:32:20.720
yeah, that's who that is.
So I'll tell you who I did.

485
00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:22.559
I tell you who I did recognize
though. At the end of the movie,

486
00:32:22.839 --> 00:32:28.359
the kid in the front row who
is basically doing to Izzy what is

487
00:32:28.400 --> 00:32:35.200
he did to Bobby Miles Kennedy,
who uh you know is with slash Oh

488
00:32:35.279 --> 00:32:38.240
right right, right? Okay,
yeah, and yeah, he was an

489
00:32:38.240 --> 00:32:42.440
alter Bridge as well. Alter Bridge
Yeah, alter Bridge. Yeah. I

490
00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:45.279
love yeah this. I just feel
like this movie if you're if you're a

491
00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:49.880
fan of metal, if you're a
fan of rock, like this is a

492
00:32:49.880 --> 00:32:52.240
fun one just for the Easter eggs, just to like try and find find

493
00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:55.599
the real guys and and uh seek
him out. Well, how about the

494
00:32:55.599 --> 00:33:00.640
women in the how about the wives
in the in the limo? There were

495
00:33:00.759 --> 00:33:04.640
okay, so well, okay,
so I know you got you got Rachel

496
00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:07.759
Hunter in there. Who I think
it was kind of funny that she's in

497
00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:12.279
there playing one of the wives because
you know, she was married to uh

498
00:33:12.480 --> 00:33:16.319
Rod Stewart Stuart, but she was
also dating Kip Winger during this Rachel Hunter

499
00:33:16.359 --> 00:33:20.680
dated Kip Winger. Yep. Now
let's see, we're not done yet.

500
00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:22.759
I mean, she's not seventeen,
so that's interesting, she's not. Thank

501
00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:28.160
god. You what the other wives
in the car were. I didn't recognize

502
00:33:28.200 --> 00:33:30.960
any of them. One of them
was longtime girlfriend to Eric Carr, the

503
00:33:31.039 --> 00:33:37.920
drummer from Kiss who passed away.
Okay, and Heidi Mark, who is

504
00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:42.480
Kirk's wife, was married to Vince
Neil of Motley Crue had been you know,

505
00:33:42.759 --> 00:33:46.039
had me okay. And then Carrie
Stevens, who was Goade's wife,

506
00:33:46.519 --> 00:33:50.920
was a longtime girlfriend of Kiss drummer
Eric Carr, So all three of them

507
00:33:50.920 --> 00:33:53.720
in there were actually somehow related or
tied to famous rock stars. You got,

508
00:33:53.799 --> 00:33:58.960
you get? I'll give Harerrik credit
for going going like that's that's pretty

509
00:33:58.960 --> 00:34:00.880
good. I would never expect I
just would have figured that these are I

510
00:34:00.920 --> 00:34:05.759
mean, I yeah again, you
you know who Rachel Hunter is because she's

511
00:34:06.119 --> 00:34:08.039
one of the most famous supermodels of
all time. But the rest of the

512
00:34:08.079 --> 00:34:12.039
car I just would have figured that's, hey, you know, we're auditioning

513
00:34:12.079 --> 00:34:15.639
the movie and what do you got. But the fact that he's got real

514
00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:20.639
rock star wives girlfriends in that scene
that I don't know. I dig that.

515
00:34:20.679 --> 00:34:22.880
Man, that's pretty cool. I
know you like the scenes, the

516
00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:27.599
montage you mentioned the montage scenes.
I love a good montage scene, and

517
00:34:27.639 --> 00:34:31.280
I love ones like this because every
time I watch this movie, the montage

518
00:34:31.360 --> 00:34:37.840
is where the stage is getting put
together, right, always takes me back

519
00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:42.639
to Metallica's video for Wherever I May
Room. Yes, I love seeing that

520
00:34:42.679 --> 00:34:45.800
like that, that sped up time
laps montage of the set being put together.

521
00:34:46.559 --> 00:34:50.800
Those are awesome. What you any
other scenes in here that the you

522
00:34:50.840 --> 00:34:52.719
got to kick out of or did
you have a problem with any of the

523
00:34:52.719 --> 00:35:01.320
scenes. Uh So, the fight
the parking lot after the first concert between

524
00:35:01.360 --> 00:35:08.039
the two tribute bands was uh,
it was It was okay, But my

525
00:35:08.159 --> 00:35:12.840
biggest issue was, Look, I've
been I'm sure you have to. I've

526
00:35:12.880 --> 00:35:15.639
been to a lot of metal shows, okay, and typically when you go

527
00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:17.719
to a metal show, you're wearing
a T shirt and jeans. You know,

528
00:35:17.760 --> 00:35:21.679
some people wear leather, some people
got the load jackets. But these

529
00:35:21.719 --> 00:35:27.320
guys are all dressed like they're going
on stage. And I'm like, yeah,

530
00:35:27.679 --> 00:35:30.880
that seemed a little cheesy to me. And yeah, the scene's cartoony,

531
00:35:30.920 --> 00:35:37.679
but I think it's very you need
you need them dressed up, well,

532
00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:40.840
you need it because it it's cartoony. But it's a fun scene when

533
00:35:40.880 --> 00:35:45.360
you watch, because it's I love
that when he pulls back the you know,

534
00:35:45.360 --> 00:35:47.800
when the camera pulls back and you
see that the drummer is fighting the

535
00:35:47.840 --> 00:35:51.960
drummer and you know, like they
have matched up, and it's just it's

536
00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:53.800
fun to watch, and it's I
don't have a problem with the scene itself.

537
00:35:53.800 --> 00:35:57.760
I I just I'm watching this whole
movie, and I just got the

538
00:35:57.760 --> 00:36:04.599
feeling that Harrik and even the writer
Rock Stockwell just did not understand or take

539
00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:08.239
the subject matter seriously. It was
it was filled with cliches. It was

540
00:36:08.280 --> 00:36:12.880
filled. It was more of a
cliche than this is spinal tap was.

541
00:36:13.039 --> 00:36:17.000
And that really got under my skin. You know, It's just it's like

542
00:36:17.079 --> 00:36:21.199
that's why, like, you know, for years how much put movies didn't

543
00:36:21.199 --> 00:36:23.719
work because it didn't take the subject
matter seriously. You know, it doesn't

544
00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:27.880
you know, just because it's about
a rock band doesn't mean you have to

545
00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:35.559
insert every single cliche imaginable. And
it just and then there they're the scene

546
00:36:35.559 --> 00:36:37.679
that definitely stuck out. It was
after they go to the club and they

547
00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:40.800
all get wasted and they wake up
in the hotel room and their waces like

548
00:36:40.880 --> 00:36:45.639
laying around all naked and everything.
Yeah, Anderson gets up and sneaks out,

549
00:36:45.679 --> 00:36:50.880
and then you know, wallbarg gets
up and he goes to the bathroom

550
00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:58.719
and was it Tanya is standing there
taking I don't know, I've seen this

551
00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:02.559
movie five or six times and I
still don't know what's going on. There's

552
00:37:02.639 --> 00:37:07.199
no point to that, there is
no It was for shock value only there's

553
00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:13.039
no point to that. It's just
like because I was like, okay,

554
00:37:14.800 --> 00:37:17.800
what would you say is the pivotal
moment in this film for Oh, that's

555
00:37:17.880 --> 00:37:22.280
easy, that's easy. That's easy. The first show when he falls in

556
00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:24.159
the stairs. You know, he
has all the nerves, he has all

557
00:37:24.199 --> 00:37:29.199
the nerves, and he you know, he's going down. He's he's he

558
00:37:29.480 --> 00:37:30.599
you know, because he built up. He's like, I'm gonna throw up.

559
00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:34.119
I'm gonna throw it. And he
gets up there and he's like,

560
00:37:34.119 --> 00:37:37.599
all right, I got this.
He goes up and he's walking down being

561
00:37:37.639 --> 00:37:40.599
all cool, and he slips and
he falls and you're thinking, where is

562
00:37:40.639 --> 00:37:45.079
this going now? Is he is? Are they getting into this fast?

563
00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:47.440
Are they gonna totally screw him?
As you know? Does he need another

564
00:37:47.480 --> 00:37:52.880
show to win over the fans?
But no, dude gets up, blood

565
00:37:52.880 --> 00:37:55.280
pouring down his head. Oh like
he's in a still cage match. Yeah,

566
00:37:55.280 --> 00:37:59.320
it's awesome, great, you know, and and uh yeah, I

567
00:37:59.679 --> 00:38:02.679
really it was well put together.
There was a good amount of emotion.

568
00:38:02.840 --> 00:38:07.320
There was you know, you're slow
motion was used. Well, nah,

569
00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:13.519
that was that scene stuck out of
my head and very impactful, very well

570
00:38:13.519 --> 00:38:17.840
done. So that's mine that scene. So they're shooting that scene in front

571
00:38:17.840 --> 00:38:23.440
of ten thousand people at Los Angeles
Memorial Sports Arena, and when that happens,

572
00:38:23.880 --> 00:38:29.480
the crowd goes silent because they just
realize Mark Wahlberg has been seriously injured.

573
00:38:29.880 --> 00:38:31.960
Right, But then he gets up
and then they're like, oh wait,

574
00:38:31.960 --> 00:38:35.039
this is part of the movie.
So after like several takes later,

575
00:38:35.039 --> 00:38:38.480
they're just they're still screaming and going
nuts and crazy. They filmed the concert

576
00:38:38.519 --> 00:38:45.320
footage for this movie before an actual
concert. Yep and Dayton, we've seen

577
00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:51.440
them plenty of times talking about Metallica, YEP, fantastic. Could you imagine

578
00:38:51.519 --> 00:38:52.960
could you imagine like all the shows
that we've been to, could you imagine

579
00:38:52.960 --> 00:38:57.679
like, hey, you know,
show starts at seven, but show up

580
00:38:57.679 --> 00:39:01.519
at twelve. If you want to
be a in this movie, we need

581
00:39:01.559 --> 00:39:05.079
we need we need some more concert
movies, man, like some more rock

582
00:39:05.079 --> 00:39:07.320
star movies, because you know I
want that that experience. Yes, I

583
00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:13.119
do too. I'll tell you.
I think the pivotal moment in this movie

584
00:39:14.119 --> 00:39:21.239
is is before that one when he's
auditioning and Bobby comes out and we learned

585
00:39:21.280 --> 00:39:27.519
the truth about why Chris is there
I love the performance there because Bobby is

586
00:39:27.679 --> 00:39:31.039
he's emotional, but he's also explaining
to Chris, like, you know,

587
00:39:31.320 --> 00:39:34.960
you think you can do what I
do, but it's not all about sex,

588
00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:37.360
drugs and rock and roll, like
I'm in bed by eleven thirty every

589
00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:40.079
night. I don't take drugs,
I never have and sex. You got

590
00:39:40.079 --> 00:39:45.039
that all wrong because you know he's
a homosexual. You know, the band

591
00:39:45.079 --> 00:39:46.920
has said, hey, that's not
about Judas Priest and Rob Halford, but

592
00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:50.920
you got to wonder, like,
because I don't know what Halford's reasons for

593
00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:54.320
leaving Judis priests word, but we
do know that that was very similar situation,

594
00:39:54.679 --> 00:39:59.920
right, yeah, yeah, And
see I kind of like that.

595
00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:05.599
It seemed I kind of don't because
here we are supposed to react to this

596
00:40:05.800 --> 00:40:09.199
announcement, and I do, like
I like the rehearsal afterwards. I think

597
00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:13.199
that's great. You know, he
shows the pressure that he's under and everything,

598
00:40:13.239 --> 00:40:16.800
but the reveal is almost like a
throwaway because we don't hear about it

599
00:40:16.840 --> 00:40:22.480
again, you know, they we
don't get enough how kind of put this.

600
00:40:23.039 --> 00:40:27.280
Bobby is the frontman, he's the
lead singer, and to me,

601
00:40:27.400 --> 00:40:30.920
it just seemed like there should have
been more than just that. So my

602
00:40:30.039 --> 00:40:34.519
question is is he quitting because he's
gay? Do they kick him out because

603
00:40:34.519 --> 00:40:37.599
he's gay? We just they never
say one way or the other because the

604
00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:38.679
band says that it is never about
that. I'm like, well, then

605
00:40:39.639 --> 00:40:43.360
what's it about? And I agree
he's looking at I'm like, and when

606
00:40:43.400 --> 00:40:45.440
you can't do what I do,
and that's fair, you know. And

607
00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:50.559
I totally buy that because it didn't
work with Ripper either, so that's proof.

608
00:40:51.599 --> 00:40:52.679
Yeah. But you know, like
Bobby was like, hey, you

609
00:40:52.719 --> 00:40:57.440
know, this is this is what
you knows. He's accusing the band of

610
00:40:58.440 --> 00:41:01.639
letting him go because because of because
of the fact, because of the fact

611
00:41:01.679 --> 00:41:05.519
that he's gay. But then Kirks
quick to point out, like, you

612
00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:07.320
know, I don't I don't care
who you're you know, I forget what

613
00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:12.119
he what the buggering? You know? Yeah, He's like, I don't

614
00:41:12.119 --> 00:41:15.679
care who you're Yeah, they're all
English guys. I don't care who you're

615
00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:17.199
buggering. Man, It's the fact
is like, you missed half the tour

616
00:41:17.320 --> 00:41:22.320
dates last last summer and you never
show up for rehearsal and you you know,

617
00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:24.440
so he starts throwing in all these
the issues that they have with him,

618
00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:29.440
So you kind of wonder like,
is is it there, Is it

619
00:41:29.480 --> 00:41:32.199
that that they're having a problem with
his with his choices, or is it

620
00:41:32.679 --> 00:41:36.519
that maybe he's just like becoming more
of a prima donna, because you know,

621
00:41:37.199 --> 00:41:39.119
we see this a lot of times
in rock bands. The front man

622
00:41:39.679 --> 00:41:44.199
becomes like, Hey, I'm the
I'm what people were coming to see.

623
00:41:44.239 --> 00:41:47.360
I you know, no one can
do what I do. I mean Axl

624
00:41:47.440 --> 00:41:52.800
Rose, David Lee Roth, let's
go. Well, list goes on and

625
00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:55.519
on. Man, Yeah, I
don't know, but I love the scene

626
00:41:55.559 --> 00:42:00.840
because it's almost like a prelude to
what is gonna happen to Chris, And

627
00:42:00.920 --> 00:42:04.920
it's kind of it's kind of like, you know, Bobby's giving him this

628
00:42:04.920 --> 00:42:08.400
one shot just to let him know, like you know it's happening to me,

629
00:42:08.480 --> 00:42:12.280
it will happen to you, and
you know it just it can't be.

630
00:42:12.480 --> 00:42:15.559
It can't be you know, avoided. So yeah, I mean see

631
00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:17.719
it that way, I get that. So yeah, I I I guess

632
00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:20.360
I wasn't looking at it that way, but yeah, that makes a lot

633
00:42:20.360 --> 00:42:22.719
more sense. I'm gonna ask you
one more question. We're gonna take another

634
00:42:22.719 --> 00:42:25.440
break, but before we do I'm
gonna ask you a question back to back

635
00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:30.679
to one of the fun montage moments, Dayton. In your opinion, who

636
00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:36.159
wins the drag race between Magnum p
I's Ferrari and the sixty six Batmobile.

637
00:42:37.599 --> 00:42:45.440
Ah, if I'm driving the Ferrari, wins. Okay, Interesting? Interesting?

638
00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:47.079
All right, Well we'll be right
back. We're gonna talk a little

639
00:42:47.079 --> 00:42:54.760
bit about Stephen Herrick's filmography. We're
back, I'm dating on about you.

640
00:42:54.800 --> 00:43:00.400
I'm ready to talk about Harrick's filmography. But before we start, I'll give

641
00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:04.920
you give you a little tidbit about
Herrick and a quote, and I'll tell

642
00:43:04.960 --> 00:43:10.519
you something. There is next to
nothing about this guy online when you're doing

643
00:43:12.400 --> 00:43:15.599
I almost had a higher detective to
learn more about him. But I will

644
00:43:15.599 --> 00:43:22.559
tell you that after college he started
working as a production assistant for Roger Corman,

645
00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:28.320
who we recently lost. But h
and that kind of makes sense as

646
00:43:28.400 --> 00:43:30.840
far as like what his move where
he starts his career with his with his

647
00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:37.039
his his directorial debut. But before
we talk about that one, I will

648
00:43:37.039 --> 00:43:40.599
tell you this was This was a
quote I found. He was talking about

649
00:43:42.880 --> 00:43:46.199
the business as it is and he
said, quote, I don't want to

650
00:43:46.239 --> 00:43:51.280
work for big studios. I'm not
in the business for that, Nor do

651
00:43:51.360 --> 00:43:55.079
I see myself as a real director
like Woody Allen. My major talent,

652
00:43:55.239 --> 00:44:00.639
I think is to keep all lines
of communication open in my movies. I

653
00:44:00.679 --> 00:44:02.719
want to have fun doing this job, and I try to put that across.

654
00:44:04.280 --> 00:44:07.639
So sounds like he's the director you
want to work for, Like he's

655
00:44:07.639 --> 00:44:12.079
not going to be like a terror
on set, but yeah, a real

656
00:44:12.119 --> 00:44:14.679
director like what doy Allen? What
Ady Allen's garbage? So well, it

657
00:44:14.719 --> 00:44:16.480
depends on when that quote was said. Think about that, if it was

658
00:44:16.519 --> 00:44:20.480
before everything kind of fell off.
I mean, I'm sorry. I love

659
00:44:20.480 --> 00:44:23.320
a good Woody element. I mean
I really do. I'm sorry. I'm

660
00:44:23.360 --> 00:44:28.039
sorry that you're sorry. I hate
what he well, yeah, for many

661
00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:30.719
reasons, but we won't go there. But uh right, all right,

662
00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:31.760
day, I tell you, it
sounds like he's a fun guy. And

663
00:44:31.960 --> 00:44:35.199
yeah, this sounds like he's he's
fun to work with, is what it

664
00:44:35.239 --> 00:44:37.519
sounds like. At the same time, you know, well, when we

665
00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:42.000
go through this movie's bool, it'll
make my point. All right, Well,

666
00:44:42.039 --> 00:44:45.239
let's talk. Let's talk about his
directory debut. We covered it very

667
00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:52.159
early in our Limited Series nineteen eighty
six, yep. Talking about Critters starring

668
00:44:52.199 --> 00:44:58.800
d Wallace. Absolutely love this film. It's a it's a whether you want

669
00:44:58.800 --> 00:45:02.639
to call it a fun be horror
film or a guilty pleasure movie, Critters

670
00:45:02.800 --> 00:45:07.840
is very enjoyable and I would you
know, we covered it Scott David and

671
00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:13.599
myself. Please go back check out
our Critters episode. It was definitely a

672
00:45:13.599 --> 00:45:19.159
fun time. Billy zay on one
of my favorite billies in Hollywood. Billy

673
00:45:19.199 --> 00:45:22.679
z Ain's in it. Dating your
thoughts on Critters? Do you ever catch

674
00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:27.159
that one? I haven't seen it
since the eighties, And it was like,

675
00:45:27.239 --> 00:45:29.360
Okay, that's fine, I've seen
it. I'll move on now.

676
00:45:30.039 --> 00:45:31.360
I don't know, but it was
not. It wasn't one of those that

677
00:45:31.400 --> 00:45:34.320
I was like, God, I
gotta watch that again. Well, you

678
00:45:34.400 --> 00:45:37.599
know, we it. It came
in a collection like there was like there

679
00:45:37.639 --> 00:45:42.920
was Critters. It was Grimlins Ghoolies, right, you know, the mini

680
00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:47.880
monster subgenre and horror was alive and
well for the eighties, and I you

681
00:45:47.880 --> 00:45:52.400
know, outside of Grimlins, Critters
is definitely my favorite. Now. I

682
00:45:52.440 --> 00:45:57.079
know you've seen his next film nineteen
eighty nine, he does Bill and Ted's

683
00:45:57.239 --> 00:46:00.440
excellent adventure. Yes, I saw
it three times in twenty four hours at

684
00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:05.159
the theater, three times in twenty
four hours, Holy Cat twice in one

685
00:46:05.239 --> 00:46:09.519
night, So you would say that
this is a most excellent film. With

686
00:46:09.599 --> 00:46:14.960
Harrik's catalog, it's a lot of
fun. It's it's ridiculous, it's silly

687
00:46:15.159 --> 00:46:17.599
and uh, but it's so much
fun. It's a fun movie, no,

688
00:46:17.599 --> 00:46:22.840
no doubt. I always liked the
fact when you when Alex Winter who

689
00:46:23.079 --> 00:46:29.440
who played a who played a Bill, He always talks like when he's doing

690
00:46:29.480 --> 00:46:32.480
like cons and stuff like that.
He he gives a story that he always

691
00:46:32.480 --> 00:46:39.760
gets letters from teachers and half of
them are positive because it's history teachers encourage,

692
00:46:39.800 --> 00:46:43.519
you know, they're happy that he
has encouraged students to learn more about

693
00:46:43.519 --> 00:46:50.280
history. And then there's negative ones
from English teachers. He says for affecting

694
00:46:50.280 --> 00:46:52.880
the way kids speak. You know, I think that's kind of fun.

695
00:46:52.920 --> 00:46:59.079
He's a good guy. And just
think that we've only had a couple different

696
00:46:59.360 --> 00:47:02.480
Keanu Reaves before Bill and Ted.
So I know there's a Keanu Reeves movie

697
00:47:02.480 --> 00:47:07.840
that you're a big fan of,
and he did it before Bill and Ted.

698
00:47:07.840 --> 00:47:13.920
I'm talking about nineteen eighty six,
River's Edge, Yeah, River's Edge.

699
00:47:14.119 --> 00:47:16.519
Yeah, it's it's a dark movie. Man, it's a movie.

700
00:47:16.840 --> 00:47:21.400
It is dark, you're au.
We got to add that. We got

701
00:47:21.400 --> 00:47:25.840
a couple more slots left for our
lost episodes of eighty six on our Patreon.

702
00:47:27.679 --> 00:47:29.599
I think I think we should cover
that, man, Yeah, we

703
00:47:29.599 --> 00:47:32.239
could do that. It. Like
I said, it's a dark, dark

704
00:47:32.280 --> 00:47:37.719
movie. Hiller soundtrack, but yeah, it's it's a dark film. All

705
00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:40.079
right, that's that's happening. We're
definitely doing that. Let's talk about his

706
00:47:40.119 --> 00:47:45.360
next film, because if you loved
Bill and Ted in nineteen eighty nine,

707
00:47:45.880 --> 00:47:50.679
nineteen ninety one, he gives us
Don't Tell Mom the Babysitters Dead with Christina

708
00:47:50.719 --> 00:47:52.800
Applegate. You're shaking your head or
what are you doing? Are you shaking

709
00:47:52.800 --> 00:47:55.599
your head because you don't like Don't
Tell Mom the Babysitters Dead? Yeah?

710
00:47:55.639 --> 00:48:00.920
Okay, So I remember watching it
once back in the eighties, you know,

711
00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:02.360
or early nineties, and then my
wife and I watched it again recently

712
00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:07.679
and I I just don't get it. I don't find it funny. You

713
00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:10.679
don't get it. It's not funny, it's it's hilarious. It's not either

714
00:48:12.039 --> 00:48:15.880
it's not what is wrong with you? Man, I can't believe. There's

715
00:48:15.920 --> 00:48:17.280
a lot of things wrong with me, but I gotta admit I I just

716
00:48:17.280 --> 00:48:22.079
don't think it's all that funny.
Didn't they like his her her brother,

717
00:48:22.159 --> 00:48:24.079
the brother character Kenny. Didn't they
base Didn't they base him off of you?

718
00:48:24.760 --> 00:48:29.519
Yeah? I almost, I'm most
sure of that. I never shot

719
00:48:29.639 --> 00:48:37.719
all the dishes. Nobody can move
that, man, diston, don't tell

720
00:48:37.719 --> 00:48:38.800
mom, I don't. I don't
want to hear that Metallica breath. That's

721
00:48:38.800 --> 00:48:45.199
that's terrible. Man. I'm shocked. I'm absolutely shocked. I have on

722
00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:49.760
people. All right, Well,
this is a this is a this is

723
00:48:49.920 --> 00:48:52.519
a point in his career where he
he kind of joins the Disney family.

724
00:48:52.920 --> 00:48:57.599
Yep, I know you know.
Rumor has it you're a fan of Disney,

725
00:48:57.800 --> 00:49:00.960
all things Disney. Yes, just
a little bit ninety two. He

726
00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:04.360
does the Mighty Ducks. It's a
fun movie. It's just a fun guy.

727
00:49:04.440 --> 00:49:07.039
Of course, it's a fun movie. You know, it's I never

728
00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:10.400
did you ever see the the series
that they did? No, I did.

729
00:49:10.880 --> 00:49:14.519
I wanted to, but it's just, you know, added to the

730
00:49:14.519 --> 00:49:16.719
list of things I don't have time
to watch. Yeah, I kind of

731
00:49:16.760 --> 00:49:20.639
you know, I mean that says
is great in The Mighty Ducks. I

732
00:49:20.719 --> 00:49:23.320
like it, you know, Joshua
Jackson. I kind of outgrew it though,

733
00:49:23.519 --> 00:49:25.320
I thought, you know, by
the time the sequels were rolling out,

734
00:49:25.320 --> 00:49:30.679
I wasn't really interested interested. How
about nineteen ninety three, he's you

735
00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:35.320
know, now he's still in his
Disney run here yep. Three Musketeers another

736
00:49:35.360 --> 00:49:38.119
one. A lot of fun and
that honestly, that movie is good because

737
00:49:38.159 --> 00:49:42.960
who's in it, you know,
Charlie Sheen, Keifer Solin, Chris O'Donnell,

738
00:49:43.199 --> 00:49:46.960
Oh yeah, Oliver Platte, oh
ol Tim Curry, Tim Curry,

739
00:49:47.079 --> 00:49:52.719
and then what's his name from?
Oh, from the Crow and he has

740
00:49:52.760 --> 00:49:55.320
that that awesome voice. He's the
bad guy in the crub Michael Wincott,

741
00:49:55.480 --> 00:50:00.440
thank you. Yeah, he's he's
he's I mean, like said, that

742
00:50:00.480 --> 00:50:05.440
movie is stacked with people. And
that is the reason it's it's fun to

743
00:50:05.480 --> 00:50:08.400
watch is because would you say,
would you say, is maybe maybe it's

744
00:50:08.400 --> 00:50:13.519
not the best Three Musketeers film,
but maybe the most fun. Yeah,

745
00:50:13.679 --> 00:50:17.800
I agree with that, all right. I'll tell you I absolutely love what

746
00:50:17.880 --> 00:50:22.639
he does in nineteen ninety five.
It's one of my I you know what,

747
00:50:23.079 --> 00:50:29.440
it might be my favorite Stephen Herrick
film about mister Holland's Opus. I'm

748
00:50:29.440 --> 00:50:31.920
embarrassed to say I have not seen
it. That shocks me. Yeah,

749
00:50:32.079 --> 00:50:35.920
it shocks a lot of people.
It's I've seen parts of it. I

750
00:50:36.320 --> 00:50:39.079
I like back in the day with
you know when stuff we come on cable

751
00:50:39.079 --> 00:50:42.440
and she's gonna watch it. I
always caught like towards the end, and

752
00:50:42.480 --> 00:50:44.559
I didn't want to ruin it,
so I would always say, I'm gonna

753
00:50:44.880 --> 00:50:46.239
watch it. I want to watch
it from the beginning, and I just

754
00:50:46.280 --> 00:50:49.840
never got around to watching it.
So yeah, if there was not,

755
00:50:49.960 --> 00:50:52.519
if there was, if there was
ever a film that I think you would

756
00:50:52.519 --> 00:50:59.039
absolutely adore, it's It's mister Holland's
Opus. I'm not really shocked, man,

757
00:50:59.119 --> 00:51:01.679
I can't believe that. Is there
anything I could like? Can I

758
00:51:01.840 --> 00:51:07.639
petition docum Bay seventy seven to do
an episode about mister Hollins Opus just to

759
00:51:07.719 --> 00:51:09.480
force you to watch it? Patren, remember, go ahead, all r

760
00:51:09.519 --> 00:51:13.039
Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm
gonna get I'm gonna put that out there

761
00:51:13.039 --> 00:51:15.840
on Patreon on the dockum bay Patreon. Just hey, everyone, you know

762
00:51:16.039 --> 00:51:21.920
sign this petition, mister Hollins Opus
is next, Like, if you don't

763
00:51:21.960 --> 00:51:25.320
love that film, I'll be shocked. Oh, absolutely be shocked. Would

764
00:51:25.360 --> 00:51:30.519
you think about his live action version
of One and Dominations in nineteen ninety six,

765
00:51:32.599 --> 00:51:37.320
it was okay, I mean,
I love Glenn Close, but I

766
00:51:37.400 --> 00:51:39.239
cannot it's not the animated one.
Man. It's just I wasn't. I

767
00:51:39.519 --> 00:51:44.960
kind of have issue with Disney in
them because they were really bad about it

768
00:51:44.960 --> 00:51:49.679
in recent years making their classic animated
films in the live action, and I'm

769
00:51:49.760 --> 00:51:52.119
kind of tired of it now.
I will say their live action Beauty in

770
00:51:52.119 --> 00:51:55.039
the Beast was very good. I'm
not gonna say it wasn't. Their version

771
00:51:55.079 --> 00:52:00.639
of Cinderella was good, but at
some point you just need to stop.

772
00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:05.880
And this was kind of like,
but why and I And it's kind of

773
00:52:05.920 --> 00:52:09.719
like, I don't know, it's
it's it's definitely something I only watched once.

774
00:52:10.280 --> 00:52:15.559
I'm with you. I I have
not liked any of the live action

775
00:52:16.639 --> 00:52:22.719
retreads that they're doing with their catalog, with exception, uh, one of

776
00:52:22.920 --> 00:52:27.800
one of the episodes that you invited
me on Document seventy seven. We talked

777
00:52:27.800 --> 00:52:34.199
about the Black Cauldron. That's screaming
for a live action film or a limited

778
00:52:34.239 --> 00:52:38.039
series like on Disney. Plus I
would I would absolutely love that. And

779
00:52:38.079 --> 00:52:43.119
then I had a kind I had. I had a fun conversation with Andrew

780
00:52:43.119 --> 00:52:49.679
Blakely on our Patreon Uh not just
just recently. Actually we we did one

781
00:52:49.719 --> 00:52:52.679
of our our ten for two.
You know, we're gonna take ten minutes

782
00:52:52.719 --> 00:52:55.280
to talk about two minutes of a
movie, and uh, he wanted to

783
00:52:55.280 --> 00:53:00.039
talk about a scene and up,
and I had a you know, I

784
00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:02.760
had a great idea for you know, who could play live action characters in

785
00:53:02.800 --> 00:53:06.920
that. But you know, gotta
Patreon for that. Because we're talking about

786
00:53:06.920 --> 00:53:13.360
Stephen Harrick right now. So we've
been talking about rock Star. This was

787
00:53:13.440 --> 00:53:15.880
kind of like his comeback film.
You know, he's he's doing a good

788
00:53:15.920 --> 00:53:20.519
job with Disney. But then in
ninety eight he did a Holy Man with

789
00:53:20.639 --> 00:53:25.000
Eddie Murphy and I know he saw
it, and I'm sure Eddie Murphy saw

790
00:53:25.000 --> 00:53:29.679
it, but I don't know if
anyone else saw it. Yeah. Yeah,

791
00:53:30.119 --> 00:53:34.280
from this point on at his filmography, I gotta be honest, there's

792
00:53:34.320 --> 00:53:37.840
only one of these things I've seen
and I have Yeah, Well, let's

793
00:53:37.880 --> 00:53:40.519
be fair, because like Holy Man, really brought his career kind of like

794
00:53:40.639 --> 00:53:45.559
to a screeching halt. He took
took a few years off to get centered.

795
00:53:45.559 --> 00:53:49.239
He brings out rock Star, which
you know, I'll tell you right

796
00:53:49.280 --> 00:53:52.519
now, I think it's a great
film. It's very underrated, but it

797
00:53:52.559 --> 00:53:55.840
did not do good at the box
office. Got smashed, you know,

798
00:53:55.880 --> 00:54:00.320
it lost a lot of money.
Actually, a year later he did Life

799
00:54:00.360 --> 00:54:05.920
or something like it, and it
it did worse. Uh. That's that

800
00:54:06.119 --> 00:54:12.840
Angelina Julie movie. She's like,
she's like a reporter with like with like

801
00:54:12.880 --> 00:54:16.280
the Hillary Clinton haircut, and yeah, no one saw it, no one,

802
00:54:16.639 --> 00:54:21.159
no one, No one wanted that. So and this, you know,

803
00:54:21.199 --> 00:54:22.559
this is sad though, because this
is kind of like after that one

804
00:54:22.599 --> 00:54:27.400
that was kind of like now now
the nailed the coffin for him in Hollywood.

805
00:54:27.480 --> 00:54:31.199
So he's you know, the rest
of his career is mostly television work

806
00:54:32.119 --> 00:54:37.199
and some directive video type stuff,
you know. I mean he's doing sequels

807
00:54:37.199 --> 00:54:39.960
on like you know, like direct
to video sequels of movies that you can

808
00:54:40.000 --> 00:54:43.559
say are good, but you know
it's like, hey, let's do a

809
00:54:43.639 --> 00:54:47.480
sequel with different people just trading on
the name of the of the of the

810
00:54:47.519 --> 00:54:53.400
title yeah. See, the one
of these I've seen was Dead Like Me

811
00:54:53.559 --> 00:54:59.000
Life After Death. Now, if
you have not seen this series Dead Like

812
00:54:59.079 --> 00:55:01.599
Me, oh that's fantastic. Oh
my god, it's great. It is

813
00:55:01.920 --> 00:55:09.800
so good. And this was it
just was not. He messed up the

814
00:55:09.880 --> 00:55:15.599
characters, the story made no sense, and just like, I'd much rather

815
00:55:15.639 --> 00:55:20.440
you just not have done anything.
Yeah, you know, he and some

816
00:55:20.480 --> 00:55:22.400
of the TV stuff. You know, he was on some pretty big name

817
00:55:22.840 --> 00:55:28.199
TV shows. But twenty twenty three, just last year, he did a

818
00:55:28.239 --> 00:55:32.440
Netflix original film called Dog Gone Rob
Low. Did you catch that? I

819
00:55:32.480 --> 00:55:36.559
have not, all right. I
mean, I'm a Rob Low fan,

820
00:55:36.599 --> 00:55:38.400
so i'd like to see it.
You know, I had an argument with

821
00:55:38.440 --> 00:55:43.039
Netflix, say six months ago,
so I haven't had Netflix since then.

822
00:55:43.159 --> 00:55:47.840
So you know, I'm thinking about, you know, rebuilding that bridge at

823
00:55:47.840 --> 00:55:52.199
some point. But I'll check out
Dog Gone when when I can. Let's

824
00:55:52.239 --> 00:55:58.159
talk about what's next for him.
Yep, So he's he's in post production

825
00:55:58.599 --> 00:56:02.599
on a film called Little Secret that's
supposed to come out this year. Two

826
00:56:02.760 --> 00:56:08.559
resentful exes must awkwardly spend Christmas together
after learning their new partners are siblings.

827
00:56:09.239 --> 00:56:13.760
I'll go ahead and say that is
a fun you know, all we've seen

828
00:56:13.760 --> 00:56:19.639
every kind of goofy situation happen in
a Christmas movie, but it's starring Chris

829
00:56:19.639 --> 00:56:24.360
Parnell, so I'm already like,
okay him and Kristin chennaw so this this

830
00:56:24.400 --> 00:56:29.039
could be fun. Yeah, that
could be interesting. They could be that

831
00:56:29.039 --> 00:56:32.079
could be interesting. All right.
Well, let's talk about what he's in

832
00:56:32.119 --> 00:56:37.199
pre production on right now, film
called The Boy at the Back of the

833
00:56:37.239 --> 00:56:43.400
Class. This is based on the
best selling novel by a Jolly Roth.

834
00:56:45.119 --> 00:56:47.199
Boy at the Back of the Class
is an adventure field drama about friendship,

835
00:56:47.280 --> 00:56:52.920
family, and the refugee crisis.
Freda Pinto, Jason Isaacs, and Vanessa

836
00:56:52.960 --> 00:56:57.960
Redgrave. There is not a bad
name mentioned right there, so this one

837
00:56:58.000 --> 00:57:00.920
could be good. Yeah, all
right, just like the name a lot

838
00:57:00.960 --> 00:57:07.239
better than our Little Secret. So
yeah, well we'll see. We'll see

839
00:57:07.280 --> 00:57:09.760
what happens with those Dayan. I
gotta ask, you know, because I

840
00:57:10.000 --> 00:57:15.320
kind of feel like I know what
to expect here with this answer, But

841
00:57:15.679 --> 00:57:19.280
would you recommend I'm gonna ask.
I gotta ask you. You know everyone's

842
00:57:19.320 --> 00:57:25.400
wondering, would you recommend folks watching
rock Star? Uh? It's okay,

843
00:57:25.599 --> 00:57:30.840
I mean I think if you want
this kind of a movie, there's better

844
00:57:30.960 --> 00:57:32.599
choices. Like I said, I
mentioned, if you want the more squeaky

845
00:57:32.599 --> 00:57:37.599
clean version, there's that thing you
do, if you want the rock star

846
00:57:37.719 --> 00:57:40.519
cliches that are it's meant to be
funny, this is spinal tap is a

847
00:57:40.559 --> 00:57:45.760
better choice to me. It just
they it just feels like he missed on

848
00:57:45.920 --> 00:57:50.960
so many of the important emotions in
the story. And you know, it's

849
00:57:51.000 --> 00:57:52.800
like even at the end when you
know, when Chris walks away, you're

850
00:57:52.840 --> 00:57:55.840
kind of like, okay, you
know, see you later. I mean,

851
00:57:57.000 --> 00:58:00.880
I was happy that he found you
know, Puder in a seattle and

852
00:58:00.920 --> 00:58:02.760
stuff, and then he started you
know, he made it, he built

853
00:58:02.760 --> 00:58:07.280
those bridges back. But you know
it's I guess, come for the soundtrack,

854
00:58:07.599 --> 00:58:12.679
you know, and uh, you
know, enjoy the stage performances.

855
00:58:12.679 --> 00:58:14.679
I get. So the music,
you know, the original songs are good.

856
00:58:14.719 --> 00:58:16.840
It's it's fine. I mean,
I wouldn't put it at the top

857
00:58:16.840 --> 00:58:22.119
of your list, all right,
that's fair man. I'm gonna say it's

858
00:58:22.119 --> 00:58:27.199
a fun movie. Definitely. The
music is fantastic, whether it's the Steel

859
00:58:27.239 --> 00:58:34.199
Dragon songs or all the other ones
that Dayton feels were criminally misplaced. Throughout

860
00:58:34.239 --> 00:58:37.559
the film. But it is.
It's a it's a fun movie. Like

861
00:58:37.599 --> 00:58:40.000
if I'll tell you right now,
if I if I was having a lazy

862
00:58:40.000 --> 00:58:44.159
Sunday and I just wanted to watch
these kind of movies, You're right,

863
00:58:44.199 --> 00:58:46.119
I would. I would. I
would. I'd be putting in that thing

864
00:58:46.159 --> 00:58:51.559
you do. Almost famous, This
is spinal tap, but I was famous

865
00:58:51.639 --> 00:58:53.920
is better than all of them.
Well hold on now, I'm hold on.

866
00:58:54.320 --> 00:58:58.719
That's almost famous. It is fantastic. It's a masterpiece. I'm just

867
00:58:58.760 --> 00:59:01.639
saying I was in the mood and
I just wanted to watch you know nothing,

868
00:59:01.679 --> 00:59:06.159
But like movies like this, I'm
making I'm making room. I'm making

869
00:59:06.199 --> 00:59:08.599
I'm making room for rock I'm making
room for Rockstar. For sure, listeners,

870
00:59:08.719 --> 00:59:13.320
what did you think of Rockstar?
You can let us know on social

871
00:59:13.400 --> 00:59:17.960
media. We're on Facebook, Instagram, and x check out www dot film

872
00:59:17.960 --> 00:59:22.679
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All of our episodes are there streaming free.

873
00:59:22.719 --> 00:59:24.280
We got articles, we got all
kinds of fun stuff happening there.

874
00:59:24.960 --> 00:59:29.400
You can write to us at a
film by Podcast at gmail dot com with

875
00:59:29.440 --> 00:59:32.760
your questions, comments and concerns.
We may just read your response on the

876
00:59:32.760 --> 00:59:37.280
show and send you some a film
by Swag. Join us tomorrow for our

877
00:59:37.360 --> 00:59:44.840
Star Trek themed series Phaser Set the
Stunt. Wayne David and Scott are recapping

878
00:59:45.079 --> 00:59:49.320
the series finale of Discovery. Dan, you're you're a star. You're a

879
00:59:49.320 --> 00:59:52.320
Star Trek guy. Do you watch
Discovery? No? I have not.

880
00:59:52.800 --> 00:59:59.199
It's a there's so many Star Trek
shows right now that I pretty much would

881
00:59:59.239 --> 01:00:01.480
have to do. Like being Jamal, there's just so many. I was

882
01:00:01.480 --> 01:00:07.280
truly enjoying strange new worlds. I
love that. That's a fantastic I don't

883
01:00:07.320 --> 01:00:10.079
have enough time to watch the ball. If only there were more time,

884
01:00:10.159 --> 01:00:13.400
right, that's right. I just
need to take a year off from work.

885
01:00:13.440 --> 01:00:17.639
Who wants to fund me? I
don't know. I have that same

886
01:00:17.800 --> 01:00:22.360
I have that same goal. But
I'll fund you for this week because you

887
01:00:22.400 --> 01:00:28.519
know you're not going anywhere. On
Friday, Are Limited Series nineteen ninety six

888
01:00:28.559 --> 01:00:32.360
returns Dayton's mission, should he choose
to accept it, will be to join

889
01:00:32.440 --> 01:00:38.119
me for a debrief of Tom Cruise's
Mission Impossible. I can't wait to hear

890
01:00:38.119 --> 01:00:42.119
what you're gonna say about that one. It's a little surprised about this one.

891
01:00:42.679 --> 01:00:46.079
We'll see what you have to say
for Brian de Palma film. Yes,

892
01:00:46.360 --> 01:00:50.400
you don't think. You don't think
Brian de Palma when you think Mission

893
01:00:50.400 --> 01:00:53.840
Impossible, but one of his better
ones as far as I'm concerned. Next

894
01:00:53.840 --> 01:00:59.480
time on a film by School maybe
out for the summer, but Amber Lewis

895
01:00:59.519 --> 01:01:04.559
will join me in the classroom for
a film by Alexander Payne, his dark

896
01:01:04.639 --> 01:01:07.880
high school comedy Election. Dayton is
a fan of Election apparently, Okay,

897
01:01:08.079 --> 01:01:10.880
on my top five high school movies. Remember that's right, we talked with

898
01:01:10.960 --> 01:01:15.800
you, and I talked about your
top five high school movies. Listeners,

899
01:01:15.719 --> 01:01:20.599
go back and check that episode out. That was a fun episode if you

900
01:01:20.679 --> 01:01:25.079
if you've not listened to the docum
Base seventy seven podcasts, you are missing

901
01:01:25.119 --> 01:01:31.679
out. I cannot recommend it enough. And Dayton, thank you for joining

902
01:01:31.679 --> 01:01:37.360
me for a conversation about Rockstar.
What's a What's what do we got to

903
01:01:37.360 --> 01:01:42.639
look forward to tomorrow on docum Base
seventy seven. Yeah, so tomorrow actually,

904
01:01:42.760 --> 01:01:49.280
uh one from yours. Scott Hoffman
joined us and we are discussing,

905
01:01:50.159 --> 01:01:54.159
probably in our opinions, one of
the best Disney animated original series on the

906
01:01:54.239 --> 01:02:00.239
Disney Channel. It is the fantastic, funny and very weird gravity Falls.

907
01:02:00.559 --> 01:02:05.519
I am not familiar with that one. Gravity Falls. Is it new or

908
01:02:05.559 --> 01:02:10.360
is it it ended in twenty sixteen? Interesting? Yeah, it's Yeah,

909
01:02:10.360 --> 01:02:15.119
It's a lot of fun and a
lot of great voice talent on that show.

910
01:02:15.400 --> 01:02:19.320
Fantastic. All right, I'm gonna
check it out because I'm I know

911
01:02:19.360 --> 01:02:22.400
I'm gonna be checking out that episode. But now I gotta see the I

912
01:02:22.400 --> 01:02:24.199
gotta see the TV to know what
I'm know what I'm listening to. So

913
01:02:25.119 --> 01:02:29.199
all right, well again, man, thanks, thanks a lot. I

914
01:02:29.199 --> 01:02:34.320
will see you on Friday. Absolutely, and and to all of you out

915
01:02:34.320 --> 01:02:40.039
there listening, hitting the like,
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916
01:02:40.119 --> 01:02:45.920
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917
01:02:45.960 --> 01:03:08.920
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