Talking Horror With Filmmaker Cindy Sanabria

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This is a Patchy Ramos. You've
seen me in The Warriors and you're listening

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to Honorary Orifice at the Film by
podcast forty five years me do it like

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this? Rain on them, Warriors, Baby, Rain on them. We've

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been discussing some amazing women in filmmaking
all month long. Today we're talking about

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a film by four female directors,
the twenty seventeen horror anthology XX, and

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filmmaker Cindy Sceinabria is with us.
Hi, guys, thank you for having

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me. It's a pleasure to have
you, Cindy, Cindy, it is

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our pleasure to have you. You
know, I don't know if you caught

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that opening. Uh. That was
that was our good friend, our mutual

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good friend, Apache Ramos. Uh. And I love the fact that we

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talked to him a lot. Dave
actually talked to him a lot on his

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episode for The Warriors, and he
just could not stop talking about this lovely

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filmmaker. Cindy Synabria, the Latina
Queen of Gore, is how he referenced

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to you. Can you tell us
quickly? Yeah? Can you tell us

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quickly? Like? How did how
did you guys meet a pat? I

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met Apachie Ramos a few years ago
on a on a zombie horror movie set

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where I was commissioned to shoot the
film, and uh, we got along

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really good, and afterwards we study
in touch for years and I was like,

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Apache, I'm you know, I'm
going to get back into filmmaking because

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I was like on a little at
that time. I was just doing like

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horror tour guide stuff. I was
a hard a whole host on the Horror

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to Her Guide. So yeah,
I was like, as soon as I

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get back into it, and He's
like, yeah, anytime. And then

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lo and behold. You know,
the opportunity arose and we've been making magic

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ever since. Movie magic, horror
movie magic. Well, Apachi just could

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not stop talking about you. So
clearly we're like we gotta get it.

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We gotta get Cyndy in here and
get her in the studio and talk to

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her during a podcast because he sounds
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He was wonderful to talk to you, that's for sure. He was

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great. Yeah, So cydny A, the question for you is what excites

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you about filmmaking? Wow, my
question to you is what doesn't That's a

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good one. Yeah, I mean
I love Primarily I'm a I consider myself

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a horror filmmaker. That's my genre. I mean I have worked on other

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films outside of that genre, but
I primarily always tend to gravitate back to

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to it. I love the I
mean it's just so cathartic, you know,

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it's very it could be very emotional
for me, so I'm very engaged

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in it. It's just to see
something that you created out of your mind

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and manifesting into something real, you
know, bringing it to life, breathing

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character, i mean life into characters, and it's just it's just an exciting

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process. Then working with people that
you're blessed to work with where you can,

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you know, see them thrive and
see how their career, you know,

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continues after whatever production is that they're
part of just the whole writing process.

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I mean, there's there's a love
for every little bit, every little

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aspect of the film in my in
my opinion, I just love it.

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Yeah, there's there's you hit a
key there. I direct a little bit

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too, And when you write something
and you get to see it come to

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life on screen, you cannot describe
that to somebody who can who doesn't understand

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right what that feels like, you
can't, you know, so I completely

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understand what you're talking about there for
sure. Any directors or producers, writers

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maybe that who inspired you. Well, Being a Latina, we have very

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limited people that represent us in the
horror community or just the industry in general.

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But I would have to say that
in general, like Robert Rodriguez was

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one of my ones that I love
GMO because he's like me. He kind

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of started as should effects makeup artists, yep, and and I just I

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just love how he's like how he's
so well versed, like he's like his

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whole process of filmmaking it's it's to
me, is just a deeper process.

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It's you know, it's like he
makes the film before he makes the film,

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because I have like his journals and
stuff like that, Like I study

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Guillemo and you know, I mean, I love Francis Ford Coppola, Bram

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Stoker's Dracula is one of my favorite
films. Beautiful film. Yes, Lisa,

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I love that score of that one. Oh yes, yes, So

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I would have to say that those
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Horror obviously is a huge element in
your your filmmaking. Clearly, when we're

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looking at you, we see what's
behind you. Uh, with your love

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of horror. It started for me
for as a little kid too. I

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just fell in love with a horror
genre. And you know, is that

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what it did for you too?
Have you always enjoyed horror? To be

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quite honest, I didn't always enjoy
horror. I was actually traumatized by my

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dad. He enjoyed horror, made
soul rest in peace. But he's the

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one that initiated, I guess,
the presence of horror in my life.

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He introduced it to me in a
very traumatizing way, I might add.

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So you know like Poulter guys,
uh, the Exorcist, you know,

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those were like all my hardcore you
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introductions to horror. So being like
maybe you know, five six years old,

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you don't really want to watch that, Okay? So yeah, and

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then I have a really I was
born and raised in Harlem, so I

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have a very interesting first movie theater
experience. The very first time I watched

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the American Werewolf, the American uh
were Wlf in London, there was a

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shootout in a movie theater and nobody
left. My father just shoved my head

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in between my legs like an Ostrich
told everybody to duck down. We heard

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some commotion in the bag. No
one left the theater and everybody is gone.

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Did they stop, Yeah, they
took them out already, come back

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to watch the movie. Nobody left. It was very odd experience. Oh,

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then the Life of Harlem in Harlem, I'm sorry, there's something that

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I wanted to add When you asked
me who was my favorite directors? Sure?

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Sure, aside from American directors,
I am a huge foreign movie horror

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fan, and I have to give
my props to Takashi McKay. He is

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absolutely one of the best directors out
there in my opinion. A lot of

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American filmmakers have remade some of his
stuff like Old Boy, m hm yep,

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okay yeah. And I'm I'm a
super huge fan so Japanese horror,

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Korean horror, Chanwick Park. I
have to get these guys shout outs because

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they are my stros in their craft. Absolutely they are. And I tell

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you, when we bring it over
here in americanize it, it just loses

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something. It does. Yes,
I saw a lot of the foreign films

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and I love them. So much, and then when I see get removed

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over her, I'm like, I
know where this is going to go,

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and I'm right every single time.
Yeah, Yes, I agree, I

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agree. Yeah, all respect to
to Spike Lee because we covered we covered

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Old Boy a couple seasons ago,
and I love his remake, but it's

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not the original and it's not as
good as the original. And I've told

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I've always told people like, yeah, check out Josh Brolin, and you

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know he's awesome, but you need
to see the original if you really want

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to see the movie. And you
know, you know everyone you just mentioned,

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we've we've talked about him. We
love we love those filmmakers, Dave.

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We got to talk about x X
because you and I we were excited

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to cover this one. You know, this is this is we love anthology

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horror. This is four female directors
and this movie definitely has a lot to

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say. But I gotta I gotta
say, I gotta think, like some

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people probably they might not be familiar
with this one. Can you give us

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can you give us a little a
little synopsis for for those that haven't seen

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it yet. Yeah, absolutely would
love to XX is a collection of four

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short films directed by the talented female
director Yovanka Volkovic, Annie Clark, Roxanne

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Benjamin, and Karen Kusama. In
this anthology, we watch a family solely

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fall apart from starvation when they're youngest
see something in a box that truly disturbs

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him. We see a birthday party
like no other when somebody suddenly dies and

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the home owner does her best to
keep it a secret. We then see

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a group before out camping where they
shouldn't be, causing an ancient creature to

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come out of hiding and seek vengeance
on those trotting around. And lastly,

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we see a mother doing everything she
can to protect her son from whom he

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actually is and allowing his famous father
and others to take him away. Dave,

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thank you very much for that.
You and I have been big fans

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of horror anthologies, Tails from the
Dark Side, Creep Show, the Black

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Mirror series. I'm just wondering,
and I think we know the answer,

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Dave, just seeing just seeing the
setup behind behind Cindy Sindy. When we

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talk about horror anthologies, do you
do you have a go to anthology?

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Do you have one that's your favorite? I wonder what gave it away?

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So would be one creep show.
Yeah. I actually I'm a huge Karen

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Black fan of guys. That's a
great one. There's a Believe it or

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not, the Roman Polanski. Uh, you know, the Rosemary's Baby,

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the Tenant that's part of a trilogy
too. It's an apartment trip yep,

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which is kind of sort of like
an anthology but not really. Okay,

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let's let's get out of that bracket. But yeah, creep show. Definitely

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Karen Black Trilogy of Terra some of
my favorite anthologies, and I like all

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of like the creep shows and all
of the tales from the Dark Sides and

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all of the Twilight Zones and my
future coming from me as well. It's

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at least seven. Oh nice,
because that's actually a question was gonna have

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for you if you were to work
on anthology. Any directors that you would

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love to work with? Wow?
Yes, some some that I've mentioned.

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I would actually like to work with
some female directors because now they're popping up

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so uh the uh Nia Nia da
Costa is one person that I would like

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to work with. For those that
don't know, she was the director of

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the recent Candyman HM. Gloria Gifford, Oh, well, Gloria Gifford is

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actually more of an actress producer.
But but like, uh, Lemons,

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I don't want to say. Casey
Lemons is her name. She was the

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writer of the original Candy Man and
she was also the I believe she wrote

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Eaves by You as well, which
is like a kind of like a Southern

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kind of voodoo type horror. If
you haven't seen it, I would recommend

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it, Okay, So yeah,
I would. Those are some women that

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I feel like they've they've really earned
their place and this and this industry,

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and I feel like they're a little
like underrated or they could use the accolades.

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Yeah. Absolutely, I couldn't agree
more. Well, we got a

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lot to talk about. We're gonna
take a quick break and when we return,

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we'll have more with Cindy Synabria and
the Horror Anthology XX. And we

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are back. We're talking with Cindy
Synabria. Dave, there is surprisingly little

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to dig up on this film.
What can you tell us? Yeah,

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there is surprisingly there is. I
mean, I didn't know much about this

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film until I started digging into it, and how much I love this anyway,

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But the title of the film XX
is actually in reference to the chromosomes

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that determine the genetic makeup for a
woman, which is basically in reference to

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the female dominant crew that did these
short films. This is also the directorial

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debut of Yovanka Valkovic and musician and
songwriter Saint Vincent who goes by the birth

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name any Clark for this film,
and according to an interview for these directors,

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they basically utilize this film to basically
give female directors an opportunity, especially

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in the horror genre. So I
just think all that is just fantastic,

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especially when you're trying to give somebody
an opportunity to make something like this.

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I think that was a great idea
you saying that, Dave, I got

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to ask, actually, I have
to ask, Cindy. I think this

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would be a great time to talk
a little bit about women of color and

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horror. Cindy, what can you
tell us about that? Well? Women

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of color, Women of color and
horror actually was in general a grassroots a

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thing that I started up for to
represent women of color within the horror genre

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and subgenres, so everything from sci
fi, true crime, anything that falls

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within the horror genre, even fantasy. So I did that because there's lack

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of representation or lack of awareness.
There's a lot of females of in the

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industry that's worked on a lot of
films, but they don't they go un

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hurt, you know, they don't
receive the proper accolades. There's also women

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that are trying to make it or
looking for opportunities on how exclusively for you

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know, for women of color,
and some of them don't have the proper

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resources. So Women of Color and
Horror is kind of like it's kind of

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like an oil encompassing like, uh, you know, I try to promote

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you know, up and coming,
you know people. I also promote people

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that have already have tenure in the
industry but just are like not really known

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or popular enough. Celebrate them.
Whenever I get any kind of opportunities that

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I come across exclusively for women of
color or even just in general, so

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they could take advantage of it as
well, I'll post that in the groups

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as well, and hopefully I would
hope to one day make it some kind

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of a nonprofit organization where we can
move forward in the future and and start

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getting women you know employed, you
know, and and have them you know,

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be in a position where I can
produce original works from you know,

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creative women of color from all over. It's just trying to push those stories

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and promote those stories because I feel
like no one can tell your story better

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than you, right, And and
I feel like there's a lot that the

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genre and just the industry in general, bands all all over the place are

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missing out because these stories are untold, and I mean there's just so many.

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I feel like once they open up
those floodgates, I feel like it's

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going to transform horror in a beautiful
way. Yep, I couldn't that.

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I love that the you know we're
talking about, you know, the beauty

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of horror and what you're saying,
that's that's it's fantastic. And I,

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Cindy, I think that's an it's
an amazing thing that you're doing. Yeah,

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I really, you know, we
can't think enough. There's there's a

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lot of voices out there who need
to be heard and to have somebody like

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you to give them that avenue to
do it, that is incredible. Cindy,

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well done, Thank you so much. And and well, I hope

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to be in a position that I
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like where I'm at I'm still not
where I want to be, but I'm

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working on getting there, and along
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many people as possible. And when
I tell you all the hidden talent that's

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out there, well, when we
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Merciless Christmas is about a ninety diverse
film. Nice. Okay, yeah,

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yeah, we're we are definitely going
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we do, Dave, let's let's
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Uh, let's start off with the
box. The family was on the

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subway, the mother, her daughter, and her son, and they were

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sitting there and the guy next to
them had like a present with him,

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and the son basically wanted to see
what was in the box. So the

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guy shows it to him. We
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I just don't know what's in there, but it turns him too into starving.

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He doesn't want to eat anymore.
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sister sister something about it, so
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the father what was in the box, apparently, which we still don't know,

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so the three of them end up
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All of these were really really good
in my opinion. But there are

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so many cool elements of this episode
with the directing that I loved. One

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of them was how you always got
the looking straight down at the table and

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you get the different shots of the
food that was sitting there, and you

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would get like the title card that
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and all the food would change.
I just love that. But clearly

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Yovanka, who directed this episode is
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because she had it showing up on
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get you. Barbara loved it.
I love when directors through that kind of

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stuff. They'll they'll put stuff in
there that they love that they want to

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show off. I love that.
And then I don't know if you caught

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this too, but Jenny the daughter
was reading Hell Boy when Danny was in

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the doctor's office. Yeah, that's
when they that that scene where it's Christmas

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morning and they're opening Presence and Romero's
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long as I said, that is
that Christmas morning at Cindy Synabria's house because

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you know, it's like what the
family that wakes up on Christmas morning,

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like, hey, put on what
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some fun. I was like,
these are my kind of people, right,

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won't eat, but they also won't
talk about what's in the box. Yeah.

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like unconcerned. Yeah, she is
very about the whole situation and until like

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all three of them starved to death, and then she's like all right now

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and now she's spending the rest of
her life just right in the subway hoping

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to find this guy, Yeah,
to just find out what's in the box.

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Yeah. And I want to call
out whoever did the special effects of

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this, because the little boy when
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He looked creepy on how his skin
was, like you could see like

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his skeletons through his skin. They
did a fantastic job with that city Like

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in your in your experience, is
this a you know this is an independent

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film? Is this something where you
can rely on CGI to get you through?

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does old school makeup? Does it
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for us? Personally, I'm a
I'm a fan more of practical effects than

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CGI. Amen, But I am
also a fan of when the when the

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two technologies are combined, When the
two processes are combined, it just I

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feel like it takes it to a
different level. So I'm a fan of

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the combination and solely of practical effects, not so CGI because just I mean,

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this has nothing to do with with
with this anthology. But for example,

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I am legend it didn't you know, the CGI was so fake that

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it didn't you know, It's just
to me, it's like I could see

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it's fake. And then there was
the other one on World War Z that

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I felt like could have been a
little bit better. But the the over

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compensation of special effects for the zombies
when they're coming, it just looks so

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fake, you know. But then
you have something like Trained to Busan where

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they incorporated kind of both and you
see the difference, like it just it

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just draws something differently. It's like
when you still have that little bit of

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realism you could put it out with
CGI. It's it's you hit the nail

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on the head there, it's you
CGI just a little bit, you know,

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use that practical effect. And if
you need to gloss in it up

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a little bit with CGI, okay, that's fine. But CGI can really

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pull you out of the film.
And you hit that right there, you

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know what I am legend it really
pulls you out of the film when you

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recognize immediately at CGI. I love
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my age too. I grew up
with filmmakers who worked hard on their films

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with practical you know, with practical
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use the CGI at all, but
I just love that practical effect. Well,

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I'm a I'm a practical effects person. I do CG. I mean,

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I mean, I do special effects
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with prosthetics and Sila Quoni. I
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I mean, I'm know Tom Savigni, but just someone working with these materials

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first hand. You have to respect
the craft and you have to respect the

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I mean the creations that these people
you know, and the world the time

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that goes into it. It's really
a work of art. It's like art

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within art. That's my take on
it. Dave. Let's move on.

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Let's talk about the second segment,
which it's more black comedy than horror.

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Honestly, the birthday party. I
think Annie Clark Hunty did that one on

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purpose because she's not a huge fan
of horror. So she kind of turned

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this into a black comedy, is
what she did. Melanie Leninsky, which

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I find from Two and a Half
Men Famed. Yeah, I'm sure a

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lot of people will know her from
that, and if I remember Cook,

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I think she was just in the
Last of Us on HBO. She was

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Yes, love her work, love
her work, So it was nice and

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pleasant surprise to see her pop up
in this very unique film. I guess

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that was her husband, Yeah,
who I guess made it suicide by the

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looks of it. He drank something
and it was in the drink. Yeah,

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what I've taken out of it.
And then she has to hide that

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because their daughter is having her birthday
party. Yeah, so, Cindy,

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we this one. This one might
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I know, I know, I'm
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got this idea where it's this little
girl's seventh birthday party. Her mom is

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clearly overwhelmed, a little stressed,
wondering where's my husband, And then we

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come to find that he's he's either
overdosed on something, he drank something that

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he shouldn't have, whatever the case
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to start, and rather than ruin
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this crazy cat and mouse game where
she is she continues to move the body

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from room to room so it's not
discovered and hiding it. And you know,

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like the the well to do neighbors
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where's your husband, and she's like, oh, he'll be here soon.

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And like the goofiest thing happens,
like uh, one of these singing

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telegram guys shows up in like a
giant panda suit and she's like, I'll

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give you like a thousand bucks for
that suit. Just get get, get

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the hell out of here, give
me the suit. And the guy's like

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all right, cool, you know, and she puts she she dresses up

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her dead husband in this this uh
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chair. At the birthday party,
it's all the kids around here. Yeah,

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everything's, everything seems fine until he
slumps over to the cake and then

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they have to you know, I
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and then the head falls off,
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and then every kid starts freaking out. Like, Cindy, what you

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know, you're you're you're a talented
filmmaker, Like what kind of kind of

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process is involved when you when you
take something that's it's clearly it's it's horror

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driven, but you want to have
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it funny, Like, you know, where is it difficult to to marriage

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you know, to see the marriage
between comedy and horror. Do you think

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I feel like any effective, any
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a few elements of different emotions and
comedy is one that that is so I

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mean, not the whole film,
but there should be little elements sprinkled along

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the way. Unless you're you know, targeting a dark comedy specifically, you

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know, and you're making like this
outrageous comedy or these like insane moments.

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I think that that's that that serves
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you you can connect with your audience
through laughter. So I feel like if

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you incorporate just like maybe a funny
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you know, or even just something
silly that he says, you know,

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that a character may say out them
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creating some kind of like you know, realism. But comed always gets

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people. There's a connection with comedy. And yeah, this film got me

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laughing at the end. Jeff with
the title cards, the title cards,

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Yeah, it basically was the birthday
party or the memory Lucy suppressed from her

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seventh birthday that wasn't really her mom's
fault, even though her therapist says it's

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probably why she fears intimacy. And
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is that you get, you know, because every one of these segments ends

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with the title. You know,
they do a title card, and I

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love that you get the birthday party
and then it fades and then you get

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what really happened, and then you
know, they just keep fading in and

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out with like over explaining what really
is going on in this one. So

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I love this one. Dave,
we gotta talk about the third one,

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this one, this one nothing nothing
to laugh at in the one called Don't

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Fall. So I'm going to go
ahead and let this one out of the

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box. This one is my favorite. I am a sucker for creature feature,

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especially one done so well like this
one. You know, I love

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that opening shot where you get the
dialogue but you see like the shadows of

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them like on the rocks as they're
talking, and then that very cool back

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shot to reveal the title. Man. This one was directed so well by

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Roxanne Benjamin. I love this one
just with so much of my being.

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The score in this one was fantastic, especially when they were in the RV

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and the creature was, you know, jumping on the RV or trying to

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get in, and you had that
score going on where they're like freaking out

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inside trying to figure out a way
to get out or what they were going

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to do. Oh my gosh,
I loved it so much, and so

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many good shots of the creature by
being silhouetted or like when the last person

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who was alive. She falls down, thus don't fall, and the creature

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is like over top of her,
and you get that silhouetted shot of it

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coming down towards her. Man,
I love that shot. This is I

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gotta I gotta call it the writing
on this one, because right at the

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get go, you see, Okay, we've got four you know, we

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got four people. You know,
two guys, two girls. They're clearly

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not where they're supposed to be,
you know, and they they're doing those

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cliched moves like they're they're drinking,
they're smoking some stuff, they're having a

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good time. So we know that
we know they're gonna get slaughtered. The

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thing here, though, is that
we spend some time with them and we

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get to we get to care about
them. You don't want you don't want

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to see him, you know.
I mean, if this is Friday thirteenth,

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we are we are behind our guy, Jason Boorhees, and we can't

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wait to see him slaughter everybody.
But this is a situation where you you

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care about these people. You know, I was, I was rooting for

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him. I knew they weren't gonna
survive, But you know, that's that's

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what I'm thinking, uh, Cindy, when we talk creature features, h,

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what do you got to go to
creature feature as far as like uh?

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And we could we you know,
you're a special effects expert too,

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so like we could talk like even
like a suit or like a specific monster.

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Do you like what comes to mind
for you? I was thinking,

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well, I'm actually thinking about the
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the comedy aspect and the creature feature. I would say human The one that

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sticks out of my head is Humanoids
from the Deep. Oh yes, I

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can't believe you've seen that. I
Okay, some of our listeners are going

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to get a kick out of this
because we they they kind of connected with

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us, and I kind of I
put that one out there. I said,

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you guys want to see something awesome, watch Humanoids from the Deep.

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It's it's streaming on Prime. I
got one person coming back and going okay,

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I kind of did this, and
then the others were like, what

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did you just make me watch?
Like put what's going on here? So

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good? Though? Yeah, it's
got that magic for me, you know

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that kind of stuff. Love Humanoids
from the Deep. Thank you. I

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feel vindicated, Sidny, Thank you
very much when you were mentioning like that,

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you know, the creatures and you're
and mentioning them by the water.

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So the first thing that popped in
my head was Humanoids from the Deep,

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and I was that was actually a
pretty funny one, you know, by

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the water, you know, and
I like stuff that, like the incredible

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Melting Man. I know, he
wasn't like you know, I liked I

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liked the makeup on that. I
like that gelatine that he had, like

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that NonStop you know, like acid
run of blood. It was just it

407
00:30:25.599 --> 00:30:27.160
was really cool. See I like
stuff like that. And one of my

408
00:30:27.240 --> 00:30:34.519
favorite movies is put Cemetery. Oh
yeah, good choice. Yeah, you're

409
00:30:34.640 --> 00:30:40.359
you're talking about gelatin and the Melting
Man. I'm pretorious his makeup and from

410
00:30:40.400 --> 00:30:45.440
beyond when he starts getting into that
house, Poor poor Barbara Crampton. You

411
00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:47.559
know, what are you gonna do? And he's like, I'm gonna kiss

412
00:30:47.599 --> 00:30:49.160
you and you're like, please,
don't don't do this, don't do it.

413
00:30:49.240 --> 00:30:52.839
We'll do this. Oh. I
felt like that in Reanimator with the

414
00:30:53.400 --> 00:31:02.119
oh I know, uh, I
know. We just recently got a chance

415
00:31:02.160 --> 00:31:06.559
to meet Barbara Crampton. She was
at a horror hound that woman. Just

416
00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:10.400
let's let's give her one chance to
really shine in a movie where she's not

417
00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:15.759
she's not just preyed upon right the
way she we've seen it. You know,

418
00:31:17.480 --> 00:31:18.519
I know she has more. I
know she has more to offer us

419
00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:22.839
than that. So yeah, and
Jeff, just as we talked about with

420
00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:26.799
the makeup from the box, the
creature effect, Yes, special effects they

421
00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:29.960
did for this creature and Don't Fall, Man, was it incredible. She

422
00:31:30.200 --> 00:31:34.000
was scary. Wow. I'll say
one other thing too, And I don't

423
00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:37.359
want to spoil it for for anyone
that hasn't seen it, but we we

424
00:31:37.480 --> 00:31:41.359
get a good horr film. Was
always gonna have those those jump scares,

425
00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:45.000
you know, like and some of
their their cliche to the point that we

426
00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:48.680
expect them, Like someone's in the
bathroom mirror they opened the medicine cabinet,

427
00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:52.680
you know someone's gonna be there behind
them when they close the cabinet back.

428
00:31:52.359 --> 00:31:56.000
I thought, I thought Don't Fall
had a couple of good jump scares that

429
00:31:56.079 --> 00:31:59.960
weren't even if it be scary.
But you know, the one character,

430
00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:02.240
she's clearly she's got some issues being
out there and she's kind of the Freddy

431
00:32:02.319 --> 00:32:06.680
Cat of the group, and I
really liked how they did the jump scares.

432
00:32:07.559 --> 00:32:09.599
Unintentionally, I'll say, you know, yeah, and I know which

433
00:32:09.640 --> 00:32:12.839
one you're talking about. One where
he goes off and then comes back.

434
00:32:12.920 --> 00:32:15.480
Yeah. That I jumped out of
my chair on that one. You got

435
00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:21.359
me. Let's uh, let's move
on to the last one, Dave,

436
00:32:21.400 --> 00:32:23.680
because uh, because I don't know
about you. When I am just dying

437
00:32:24.160 --> 00:32:29.599
to talk about Cindy's movies. Me
too. We got this last one called

438
00:32:29.799 --> 00:32:32.759
Her Only Living Son. I feel
like, we gotta tell, we gotta,

439
00:32:32.759 --> 00:32:38.359
we gotta, we gotta mention the
inspiration behind this one because I watched

440
00:32:38.400 --> 00:32:40.799
the first time I saw this,
I watched it, I was like,

441
00:32:40.839 --> 00:32:45.359
okay, this one, this one
was good, not great. But then

442
00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:47.519
when I found out what the inspiration
was and I did a rewatch, I

443
00:32:47.599 --> 00:32:52.720
was like, holy cow, this
this one's awesome. So you wanna you

444
00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:55.480
want to run down her only Living
Son? Yeah? So it's funny,

445
00:32:55.839 --> 00:33:01.960
Cindy that you mentioned this movie earlier
in the podcast. This is actually a

446
00:33:02.640 --> 00:33:08.640
It takes place after Rosemary's Baby.
Oh is what this is about? So

447
00:33:09.839 --> 00:33:14.960
Andy and his mom Cora are basically, you know, living together, and

448
00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:20.200
Cora the mother is protecting her son
from who he is and who his father

449
00:33:20.359 --> 00:33:22.440
is. Clearly we know who his
father is if you know anything about Rosemary's

450
00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:28.240
Baby, and this is basically like
a reimagining of those events that takes place

451
00:33:28.319 --> 00:33:34.400
after that. So really cool story
when you realize what they did, Like

452
00:33:34.519 --> 00:33:37.000
Jeff said, when you first watched, it's like this is an okay story,

453
00:33:37.599 --> 00:33:39.720
But then when you learn the history
behind it of what they did,

454
00:33:39.759 --> 00:33:43.519
and they're like, oh, never
mind, this is a really cool story.

455
00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:49.839
Yeah. I think anyone that's a
fan of Rosemary's Baby will definitely appreciate

456
00:33:49.920 --> 00:33:54.440
this one. And very smart,
very very clever writing, very smart direction

457
00:33:54.599 --> 00:34:00.759
because the breadcrumbs are there if you
you know, I think someone that's that's

458
00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:02.279
in a stute Horf fan probably would
have picked up on it and said,

459
00:34:04.440 --> 00:34:07.000
whoa this is. This is like
Rosemary's Baby eighteen years later. That's what

460
00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:10.239
I'm watching. Uh, you know. She mentions the husband, she mentions

461
00:34:10.480 --> 00:34:15.440
being on the run, and even
like the school, like the how protected

462
00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:20.039
they are of this kid right of
him? Yeah, definitely a creepy one.

463
00:34:20.719 --> 00:34:23.960
And I wish, you know,
I have some questions about how it

464
00:34:24.039 --> 00:34:27.199
ended, and I don't want to
spoil it for those that haven't seen it,

465
00:34:27.280 --> 00:34:29.719
But the ending left me kind of
scratching my head, and not in

466
00:34:29.800 --> 00:34:31.960
the same way that the Box does, you know, where you're wondering like

467
00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:36.000
what is you know, you can
kind of you can kind of give your

468
00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:38.000
own opinions on what is in the
box or why the box does what it

469
00:34:38.079 --> 00:34:42.679
does. But at the ending of
this one, hurling Living Sun kind I

470
00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:45.559
was kind of like, what's what's
what exactly happened here? Like why why

471
00:34:45.599 --> 00:34:49.159
are we coming to an end here? So yep, I agree, I

472
00:34:49.199 --> 00:34:52.639
don't know. We'll have to well
the looking at that a little bit more.

473
00:34:52.679 --> 00:34:58.119
But uh, listeners, stay tuned
because we're going to find out about

474
00:34:58.159 --> 00:35:01.559
the Latina Queen of Gore and what
she has in store for us. We'll

475
00:35:01.599 --> 00:35:08.840
be right back, all right,
listeners, welcome back as we continue our

476
00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:14.440
discussion with Cindy. Cindy, I
know you've got a couple of films that

477
00:35:14.519 --> 00:35:16.760
I believe are being released this year. The one I basically want to know

478
00:35:16.840 --> 00:35:23.159
is what is Sam's Web about.
Sam's Web is actually in post production and

479
00:35:23.400 --> 00:35:29.840
should be done. Actually it should
be it should be well within the film

480
00:35:29.960 --> 00:35:35.360
festivals by next month. We're really
at like the tail end of that film,

481
00:35:35.840 --> 00:35:42.079
Sam Sam's Web is oh right,
This one's a tough one, a

482
00:35:42.679 --> 00:35:46.679
very challenging film to make. Sam's
Web is a true crime my first true

483
00:35:46.719 --> 00:35:52.920
crime film, and it's about the
most prolific serial killer in the United States,

484
00:35:52.119 --> 00:35:57.400
which just so happens to be a
black serial killer. Up to this

485
00:35:57.599 --> 00:36:01.599
point, this will be the first
black serial killer iapic ever made. There

486
00:36:01.639 --> 00:36:07.679
has never been a movie on a
black serial killer. And this guy has

487
00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:10.840
killed more than Ted Bundy, the
Zodiac Killer and John Wayne Gacy combined.

488
00:36:10.920 --> 00:36:15.599
He killed over ninety three women and
there's still some women that haven't been found.

489
00:36:15.719 --> 00:36:20.360
There's over I would say about a
good thirty women still out there whose

490
00:36:20.400 --> 00:36:23.159
bodies haven't been found. They just
found actually here in Florida, they just

491
00:36:23.239 --> 00:36:29.280
found someone about six months ago,
so they're still finding bodies he was killing.

492
00:36:29.800 --> 00:36:31.719
And he's also one of the oldest
serial killers too. He killed for

493
00:36:31.800 --> 00:36:37.000
about a good forty years. Wow. Yeah, from like the seventies.

494
00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:40.519
The late seventies was his first kill
and he killed all the way to two

495
00:36:40.559 --> 00:36:45.000
thousand and five was his last one. So this film, this film's then,

496
00:36:45.480 --> 00:36:51.159
it's it's heavily based off of a
real guy. This is accurately based

497
00:36:51.239 --> 00:36:55.599
off of his conversations through which is
kind of weird for me because I'm a

498
00:36:55.679 --> 00:37:00.400
creator, so I like to imagine
things, and you know, and certain

499
00:37:00.440 --> 00:37:04.280
things that make me feel uncomfortable,
I'll try to veer away from that.

500
00:37:04.559 --> 00:37:07.679
This is kind of like a film
that I was forced to having, you

501
00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:10.679
know, to recreate these things,
and it made me feel very uncomfortable.

502
00:37:10.719 --> 00:37:15.280
But the reason why I did it
was because you know, it hit a

503
00:37:15.400 --> 00:37:17.679
soft spot with me. You know, his victims, I mean, the

504
00:37:17.719 --> 00:37:22.559
reason why he didn't get caught for
so long was one because he was a

505
00:37:22.639 --> 00:37:25.679
black man, and two because his
victims were on the fringes of society.

506
00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:30.679
There were homeless prostitutes, drug addicts, mostly women color, but they were

507
00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:35.679
also white women as well. But
they were like, you know, women

508
00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:39.320
that were just discarded that they that
he thought that they didn't have family,

509
00:37:39.679 --> 00:37:44.519
you know, people that weren't really
loved at home, so you know,

510
00:37:44.599 --> 00:37:47.119
and it's very sad because somewhere,
like there was a disabled girl. That's

511
00:37:47.239 --> 00:37:52.079
what strugg a chord with me.
And if I know that this is about

512
00:37:52.119 --> 00:37:54.960
like my future stuff, but I
just last year I finished a documentary quote

513
00:37:55.000 --> 00:38:00.719
horror Able, and it was about
creative disabilities in the horror industry. And

514
00:38:01.079 --> 00:38:05.360
I have I grew up in a
disabled family, so I was the only

515
00:38:05.719 --> 00:38:09.800
able body person in my mom,
my dad, and my sister all have

516
00:38:10.039 --> 00:38:16.159
different disabilities, so what I saw
was normal. And you know, looking

517
00:38:16.239 --> 00:38:21.079
from the outside and over the years, just seeing how my sister has been,

518
00:38:21.639 --> 00:38:24.880
you know, abused or taken advantage
of it. You know, it's

519
00:38:24.960 --> 00:38:30.719
really disturbing to see that somebody can
be that heinous to target girls with mental

520
00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:35.320
disabilities, you know, girls with
IQs lower than forty. I mean,

521
00:38:35.920 --> 00:38:38.440
it's really sad and get away with
it. That was so I just felt

522
00:38:38.480 --> 00:38:43.400
like I had to kind of step
in. And also because there's still people

523
00:38:43.559 --> 00:38:47.480
that are you know, that still
haven't been found and if anything can help

524
00:38:47.559 --> 00:38:52.039
reopen some of these cases that have
been cold, so these some of these

525
00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:54.559
families can still have closure. I
mean, he killed someone in two thousand

526
00:38:54.559 --> 00:39:00.360
and five, I mean, you
know, so that's really my main motivation

527
00:39:00.559 --> 00:39:02.480
for it. And it's a it's
a two part film, so this is

528
00:39:02.559 --> 00:39:07.599
the first part of the two part
film. So this is more of a

529
00:39:07.760 --> 00:39:09.920
kind of concept thing. I didn't
raise money for it. I kind of

530
00:39:10.239 --> 00:39:14.679
used my own money and my own
resources to make the film, so it

531
00:39:14.840 --> 00:39:21.239
is a low budget film. But
the feature I have, I've been talking

532
00:39:21.320 --> 00:39:24.440
with a lot of people, a
big special effects makeup artist, I won't

533
00:39:24.440 --> 00:39:28.039
mention his name, but there's a
lot of a lot of people that are

534
00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:32.119
currently interested in the feature. The
second part of this film, which is

535
00:39:32.159 --> 00:39:37.960
going to be called Less than Dead
Sam's Web, is the perspective of the

536
00:39:38.159 --> 00:39:43.320
killer, where the other one is
going to be the perspective of the actual

537
00:39:43.440 --> 00:39:46.880
victims, kind of like what they
did with the recent damer series where it

538
00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:51.760
was more reflective on the victims versus
the killer, and that would be the

539
00:39:51.880 --> 00:39:55.760
second part of this film. So
it's something that I personally don't really want

540
00:39:55.800 --> 00:40:00.199
to do. I feel like I
just have to do it. But it's

541
00:40:00.239 --> 00:40:04.559
taken me a long time to come
up to write these scripts because it's nauseating,

542
00:40:04.800 --> 00:40:08.199
is disturbing. I love horror,
but the horrors of reality is I'm

543
00:40:08.239 --> 00:40:13.079
not gonna lie. It got into
my head so bad that I was sometimes

544
00:40:13.119 --> 00:40:15.559
I started, like, you know, thinking the same. I mean,

545
00:40:15.599 --> 00:40:20.519
I'm currently living in Florida and I
live in the home of the of the

546
00:40:20.599 --> 00:40:25.840
serial killers and where Sam Samuel Little
started his kills and this was the second

547
00:40:25.920 --> 00:40:30.280
state that he killed the most women, and there's still six bodies that haven't

548
00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:31.920
been found here, so you know, kind of like, yeah, creepy,

549
00:40:32.320 --> 00:40:36.599
this sounds like you sell like Ethan
Hawk and sinister, like you know

550
00:40:36.679 --> 00:40:39.079
you're you are you are way too
close to the source material like that.

551
00:40:39.960 --> 00:40:43.719
I'm worried for you, right,
it gets it gets bad, but I'm

552
00:40:43.760 --> 00:40:46.360
a bigger I was born and raised
in the project. That's right, that's

553
00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:51.079
right. What I like about that
fact is that you put yourself into doing

554
00:40:51.119 --> 00:40:54.440
a project that takes you out of
your comfort zone. You know, sometimes

555
00:40:54.559 --> 00:40:58.920
that's not easy to do, and
clearly you can you can hear your voice

556
00:40:58.920 --> 00:41:01.840
that it was not easy to do
for you. But sometimes that's when of

557
00:41:01.840 --> 00:41:06.360
the best things can happen. You
know, some of the experience that you

558
00:41:06.440 --> 00:41:08.519
had of you know, being around
people with disabilities and stuff like that,

559
00:41:08.960 --> 00:41:13.800
you get to see that firsthand.
So that makes you be able to write

560
00:41:14.199 --> 00:41:17.840
better characters because you're able You've experienced
that part of your life, so you

561
00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:22.480
know what that's like and you're able
to put that into your scripts. And

562
00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:24.639
I think that is what is really
really important about creating those characters, and

563
00:41:24.679 --> 00:41:29.920
when you have those experiences, it
makes it that much better are able as

564
00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:34.159
a documentary though. So actually that
was a learning experience for me because I

565
00:41:34.360 --> 00:41:37.679
learned of disabilities I never knew existed. And it also put me in a

566
00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:44.519
different perspective as a filmmaker because I'm
here advocating for women of color and you

567
00:41:44.599 --> 00:41:49.360
know what I'm like, but people
with disabilities are like, they're even even

568
00:41:49.480 --> 00:41:52.440
lower in the totem poll. And
then what if you're a woman of color

569
00:41:52.519 --> 00:41:55.360
that happens to be disabled, You
know, now you haven't even bigger challenge.

570
00:41:55.400 --> 00:42:00.960
So it's opened my mind to wanting
to work more with people with disabilities,

571
00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:06.159
so I try to create. Now
I'm like being conscious of that,

572
00:42:06.440 --> 00:42:10.639
and now I'm also because of this
and my perspective, my perspective has changed

573
00:42:10.639 --> 00:42:15.440
when it when it's come to disability. Due to this documentary project, which

574
00:42:15.519 --> 00:42:21.039
is also a two part series and
a short that's there's a third. We

575
00:42:21.119 --> 00:42:23.800
have a twenty minute short on bloodstained
films and YouTube that you can watch right

576
00:42:23.880 --> 00:42:28.440
now. That's the horror Able Women. That's the shortened version. We had

577
00:42:28.440 --> 00:42:30.840
a couple of videos that weren't really
that good in quality, so we kind

578
00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:35.280
of like made a quick short with
that. But the Horror horror Able feature

579
00:42:35.519 --> 00:42:43.360
has William Crane, director of Blackula's
in it, Michael Berryman is it from

580
00:42:43.400 --> 00:42:50.960
the Hillside Eyes and this was the
last interview of Albert Pion which made Cyborg

581
00:42:51.199 --> 00:42:54.960
and a captive and stuff like that
said that was really so this this that

582
00:42:55.119 --> 00:43:00.000
definitely won't make you cry, That
won't make you and you said this one,

583
00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:02.920
this one is available right, like
we can go to Bloodstainfilms dot com

584
00:43:04.039 --> 00:43:06.639
and we can we can get access
to that one now, right yep,

585
00:43:06.880 --> 00:43:09.719
just go to watch now and you
that will be the first thing you'll see

586
00:43:09.920 --> 00:43:14.360
is our It's kind of take you
to a page with some of our trailers

587
00:43:14.440 --> 00:43:17.239
to update you on like the upcoming
films. But then we have horror Able

588
00:43:17.280 --> 00:43:23.800
Women that we just released this month
for International Women's Stay and are horror Women

589
00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:29.800
in Horror Month because this is Women
in Horror Month. Awesome, Well,

590
00:43:30.920 --> 00:43:35.039
Dave, I can't wait more.
I we got to talk about what uh,

591
00:43:35.440 --> 00:43:38.800
what's on the horizon here. We've
seen, We've we've talked to Apache

592
00:43:38.920 --> 00:43:44.559
Ramos about his his role, We've
seen the trailer for the movie that that's

593
00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:47.880
uh, that's coming out there,
Cindy, let's talk about Merciless Christmas.

594
00:43:49.280 --> 00:43:52.199
Yes, please, Merciless Christmas.
I just think she's wearing the shirt.

595
00:43:52.880 --> 00:43:59.199
Yeah, I can't pull it off, but you know we'll have to say

596
00:43:59.239 --> 00:44:05.440
that for our paid some scription.
Yeah, that'll be the video for Patriots.

597
00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:15.840
Yeah, the horror version. That's
right. I gotta tell you.

598
00:44:16.559 --> 00:44:22.760
Just hearing Apache talk about the movie
and just he got so animated, he

599
00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:25.519
got so excited, and he's like, I can't tell you everything, but

600
00:44:25.519 --> 00:44:28.239
I'm gonna tell you this. I
can't tell you that. You know we

601
00:44:29.079 --> 00:44:32.360
I told Dave was like, I
don't care where it's we got to find

602
00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:36.440
this movie, like we got to
see it immediately. And then you know,

603
00:44:36.519 --> 00:44:39.400
you you release the trailer. It
looks fantastic. Tell us about Merciless

604
00:44:39.440 --> 00:44:45.280
Christmas. I'm really excited about Merciless
Christmas for many reasons. So Merciless Christmas

605
00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:52.679
is a holiday horror. My reasoning
behind, you know, prompting me to

606
00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:57.159
do this was at the time when
I originally decided on making this. It

607
00:44:57.280 --> 00:45:00.639
was called Black Santa at first,
and this was years ago. I had

608
00:45:00.679 --> 00:45:02.360
announced it on a podcast, I'm
like, there's a black sand and he's

609
00:45:02.400 --> 00:45:07.840
a serial killer and everything like that. But so I was writing the story,

610
00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:10.840
it didn't really get fleshed out like
completely. It was, you know,

611
00:45:10.920 --> 00:45:16.400
getting fleshed out throughout the years.
But my reasoning behind that was because

612
00:45:16.400 --> 00:45:21.760
there wasn't any good Christmas horror at
the time or not that many. Violent

613
00:45:21.880 --> 00:45:24.440
Knight actually came out later that year
when I did that podcast, Yeah,

614
00:45:27.159 --> 00:45:30.000
yeah, and I actually liked that
one, and there's still a few that

615
00:45:30.079 --> 00:45:32.880
I have to admit that that have
been released since then that I that I

616
00:45:34.079 --> 00:45:38.239
enjoyed. So so, I mean
I had already started it and I'm like,

617
00:45:38.280 --> 00:45:42.599
well, I'm doing this. But
what makes this one different from any

618
00:45:42.760 --> 00:45:47.480
holiday horror that has come out is
that this is a black lead. This

619
00:45:47.679 --> 00:45:52.360
is one of the rare black slashers. I think he's one of the first

620
00:45:52.440 --> 00:45:58.559
that's not supernatural because Candy Man is
even though there is without spoilerst there is

621
00:45:58.639 --> 00:46:02.760
a supernatural element to the film,
that he's not a supernatural killer. So

622
00:46:05.719 --> 00:46:12.400
it's a very exciting film because it
represents a neighborhood that's hardly even shown in

623
00:46:12.840 --> 00:46:19.519
centima period, and that's Harlem so
this is also an urban horror. How

624
00:46:19.599 --> 00:46:22.760
Apache calls it, Uh, this
is hard what he said. Uh,

625
00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:34.280
Holly HollyHood is a HollyHood HollyHood production. But we have Macho Camacho, he's

626
00:46:34.280 --> 00:46:39.559
a professional boxer, is in it, Apache Ramos as you know, Eileen

627
00:46:39.679 --> 00:46:45.639
Deets from The Exorcists in it.
Yeah, all right. Isn't it kind

628
00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:46.920
of crazy that I was like so
scared of her when I was little and

629
00:46:46.960 --> 00:46:52.880
here I am working and now you're
working with her. And there's I mean

630
00:46:52.920 --> 00:46:57.320
there's tons of people from like law
and order. You know, you'll see

631
00:46:57.320 --> 00:47:00.840
a lot of familiar faces in it
if you watch these shows like Blue Bloods,

632
00:47:00.880 --> 00:47:05.760
Blacklists. We have a lot of
like a lot of like musicians in

633
00:47:05.840 --> 00:47:10.000
it as well. So there's people
from all kind of like you know,

634
00:47:12.440 --> 00:47:16.159
all walks of life coming together and
all kinds of nationalities coming together, which

635
00:47:16.559 --> 00:47:22.800
really excites me because it's like Latin
America, South America, like every almost

636
00:47:22.039 --> 00:47:28.960
I have like almost every Latino on
the project and part of that, so

637
00:47:29.199 --> 00:47:32.440
it's like you got you know,
you got Dominicans, Puerto Ricans, Cubans,

638
00:47:32.480 --> 00:47:36.679
Colombias. I mean, like it
goes and I mean they're all so

639
00:47:36.960 --> 00:47:42.760
very talented, and then you know
you have it's it's basically what represents Harlem.

640
00:47:42.840 --> 00:47:46.199
It's black and Hispanic community, and
you know, like I said,

641
00:47:46.239 --> 00:47:52.960
it's ninety five diverse, and that
was intentional because I wanted to have a

642
00:47:52.119 --> 00:47:59.679
film that was all inclusive, dealing
with a strong theme and just showing a

643
00:47:59.679 --> 00:48:05.480
different perspective on you know, this
holiday horror slasher thing. So you know

644
00:48:05.559 --> 00:48:07.440
where you're usually like, oh my
goodness, the killer is coming. You

645
00:48:07.599 --> 00:48:10.679
actually want this man to do what
he's doing, so you're gonna be rooting

646
00:48:10.719 --> 00:48:17.119
for the This is the film.
I'm gonna tell you. This is a

647
00:48:17.199 --> 00:48:22.719
film that did have me laughing,
that did have me crying at certain times.

648
00:48:23.079 --> 00:48:30.360
There's there's there's key moments in this
film that's super emotional and super like

649
00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:36.480
poign in and and it also shows
that it shows the perspective of Harlem through

650
00:48:36.480 --> 00:48:40.280
a person that lived in Harlem,
that lived in the projects. That so

651
00:48:40.440 --> 00:48:45.320
it's it's a story that I know
people in the hood can definitely relate to,

652
00:48:45.639 --> 00:48:49.639
you know, but it also but
just if you're a man in general,

653
00:48:50.400 --> 00:48:52.199
you know that has a family,
you know, this is kind of

654
00:48:52.400 --> 00:48:57.920
a revenge. You know, it's
also a revenge slasher film, you know,

655
00:48:58.800 --> 00:49:02.719
and and there's elements of Christmas.
It's not like your typical Christmas film,

656
00:49:02.800 --> 00:49:07.440
so like you know, Christmas is
always these snowy holidays and everything like

657
00:49:07.519 --> 00:49:12.599
that. But this Christmas there won't
be any because this Christmas when I was

658
00:49:12.639 --> 00:49:19.000
filming, there wasn't any. Well, there's realism to the max, but

659
00:49:19.119 --> 00:49:22.840
I tie it into a why so
that's gonna be like the Morbid Christmas.

660
00:49:22.400 --> 00:49:29.360
And yeah, it's really exciting.
We have a lot of realism. We

661
00:49:29.519 --> 00:49:36.199
have over fifty actors working on this
project. We have great people. That's

662
00:49:36.199 --> 00:49:40.320
a part of this film. Unfortunately, I lost. I won't mention,

663
00:49:40.519 --> 00:49:45.840
but I had lost. So we've
lost something in the process of trying to

664
00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:51.599
raise money. And that's the problem
with independent creators like me, you know,

665
00:49:51.760 --> 00:49:54.199
not to people support women of color, you know, Aura, And

666
00:49:54.320 --> 00:49:59.400
that's a big problem for me because
I have what it takes to compete with

667
00:49:59.440 --> 00:50:02.599
a lot of these creators. I'm
that confident and so merciless. Christmas,

668
00:50:02.719 --> 00:50:08.559
we kind of hit this like weird
thing which has never been done in my

669
00:50:08.639 --> 00:50:13.960
life before, where I didn't raise
all the money so I could only shoot.

670
00:50:14.320 --> 00:50:16.239
We shot. We raised half the
fund. So I only shot half

671
00:50:16.320 --> 00:50:21.679
the film and so now we need
your help to finish the other half.

672
00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:24.440
You're giving horror fans the opportunity to
get involved, right, Can we talk

673
00:50:24.480 --> 00:50:30.960
about the Indiegogo Yes, we just
we just released some new opportunities for Indiegogo

674
00:50:31.000 --> 00:50:36.400
where you can actually come on board
as an associate producer. We only they're

675
00:50:36.559 --> 00:50:40.360
very limited these numbers. There's like
only like two or three slots left.

676
00:50:40.480 --> 00:50:44.519
So if you if you have an
opportunity, you want to be a part

677
00:50:44.559 --> 00:50:47.440
of it, by all means,
grab it. Because this is not a

678
00:50:47.480 --> 00:50:52.159
film that I intend to get from
script to screen. I mean to a

679
00:50:52.239 --> 00:50:55.039
television screen or streaming. We actually
want to put this in the movie theaters.

680
00:50:55.519 --> 00:51:00.199
So this is OK, this is
something that I'm pushing for really really

681
00:51:00.280 --> 00:51:04.960
hard, you know, to make
happen. So you know, we have

682
00:51:05.079 --> 00:51:07.280
opportunities for you to act in a
scene in the film as well, and

683
00:51:07.360 --> 00:51:10.920
there's a whole bunch of other different
perks that you could take advantage of.

684
00:51:12.199 --> 00:51:15.480
But I would say, if you
can act in a film, or if

685
00:51:15.519 --> 00:51:19.719
you could grab one of those associate
producer perks, definitely do. This is

686
00:51:19.840 --> 00:51:22.360
not a film that's just going you
know, straight to streaming, like like

687
00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:25.800
you know, most of our films
do. I'm I'm really pushing hard to

688
00:51:25.960 --> 00:51:30.400
like have it compete and you know
with the commercial films, and really try

689
00:51:30.440 --> 00:51:34.559
to put it in the theaters even
if it's a limited run. But that's

690
00:51:34.639 --> 00:51:37.320
the goal, listeners, We're gonna
We're gonna have a link in the show

691
00:51:37.360 --> 00:51:43.280
notes to the indiegog so you can
you can check out how you can get

692
00:51:43.320 --> 00:51:46.239
involved with Merciallest Christmas. There are
some awesome stuff, some opportunities that Cindy

693
00:51:46.320 --> 00:51:51.199
has provided. I know because I
took one of them. And now I'm

694
00:51:51.239 --> 00:51:52.639
already thinking, you know, I
could get a see if I get some

695
00:51:52.679 --> 00:51:57.599
screen time with Apache Ramos, I
might I might be double dipping here.

696
00:51:57.719 --> 00:52:02.840
But actually that acting, that acting
role is with a scene with Apatrie Rammels.

697
00:52:02.840 --> 00:52:07.719
I probably should have noted that.
Yeah, that one is the very

698
00:52:08.039 --> 00:52:13.519
so that we had a campaign before
where we had a kill scene. You

699
00:52:13.639 --> 00:52:17.679
get killed in a movie. But
but even though you see the actors,

700
00:52:17.719 --> 00:52:22.239
you're not gonna the actors, I
mean, the main actors weren't there during

701
00:52:22.320 --> 00:52:25.400
that scene. But this scene in
particular, he will be We also have

702
00:52:25.519 --> 00:52:30.480
Jabari Gray that was like in Spider
Man two, I think he was like

703
00:52:30.039 --> 00:52:35.039
a pilot. He's he's like all
over. He's been on so many things

704
00:52:35.119 --> 00:52:37.440
like the Blue Blood's black List.
Like like I said, he's a really

705
00:52:37.480 --> 00:52:40.559
cute player in the industry as well. So, yeah, you have an

706
00:52:40.599 --> 00:52:44.800
opportunity to make to meet some great
people. Come on board, let's go.

707
00:52:45.079 --> 00:52:47.000
That sounds fantastic, man. Yeah, Dave, I'm gonna give you

708
00:52:47.000 --> 00:52:50.719
the opportunity because I know you've got
You've got several questions. I do that,

709
00:52:50.760 --> 00:52:52.039
Eve been withnas Cindy, So I'm
gonna I'm gonna turn it over to

710
00:52:52.079 --> 00:52:57.159
you. Awesome. So, Sinny, I recognize at a very young age

711
00:52:57.400 --> 00:53:00.880
I love the world of filmmaking in
the process behind it all. But I

712
00:53:00.960 --> 00:53:05.880
didn't have the technology and equipment that
everyone has at their fingertips today. I

713
00:53:05.960 --> 00:53:07.800
wish I had because I would probably
have a lot of projects done. When

714
00:53:07.840 --> 00:53:12.679
I was a kid, when did
you recognize your love storytelling behind the camera.

715
00:53:13.039 --> 00:53:15.920
Oh, I'm gonna take you way
back. So I started writing poetry

716
00:53:16.079 --> 00:53:22.079
at six years old, and I
started I wrote my first horror film when

717
00:53:22.079 --> 00:53:25.280
I was in seventh grade. It
was and actually it's I could send it

718
00:53:25.320 --> 00:53:28.840
to you. It's so bad,
guys. But it was about bloody.

719
00:53:29.159 --> 00:53:34.000
It was bloody Mary. It was
bloody Mary. And I again, I

720
00:53:34.119 --> 00:53:37.480
was in seventh grade. We made
like, you know, these prosthetics,

721
00:53:37.599 --> 00:53:40.000
like the body parts out of like
paper mache so it looks like real nice

722
00:53:40.599 --> 00:53:44.360
And it was a school project.
But we won. I mean, the

723
00:53:45.079 --> 00:53:47.559
teacher went and won a lot of
awards with this video that we made.

724
00:53:47.599 --> 00:53:51.000
It was a video program that we
were a part of. And that's when

725
00:53:51.039 --> 00:53:54.480
my love started nice. And then
I just continued from there and blossomed.

726
00:53:55.519 --> 00:54:00.280
I went to the New School School
of Visual Arts and took a clas and

727
00:54:00.360 --> 00:54:05.559
special effects makeup with a great Carl
Passolini. He made a celebrity death match.

728
00:54:06.960 --> 00:54:09.840
I do remember that. Yeah,
I was taught by him how to

729
00:54:09.920 --> 00:54:15.760
make like prosthetics and stuff like that. And and yeah, it's just it's

730
00:54:15.840 --> 00:54:17.599
just kind of been, you know, I've been in this industry for a

731
00:54:17.679 --> 00:54:22.920
really long time. Just people just
don't know me. We need to get

732
00:54:22.960 --> 00:54:28.159
that changed, We need to get
that changed. Yes, absolutely. When

733
00:54:28.199 --> 00:54:30.639
you when you get an idea and
you want to put in motion, what

734
00:54:30.800 --> 00:54:37.239
steps so do your process takes?
It usually starts with writing I am a

735
00:54:37.480 --> 00:54:43.079
very like uh I'm I'm a very
tangible person. I mean, I like

736
00:54:43.199 --> 00:54:47.280
that whole organic process. I'm not
the type to just run to a computer

737
00:54:47.360 --> 00:54:52.320
and start typing. I write,
So I do a lot of bullet points

738
00:54:52.480 --> 00:54:55.119
and I'll write paragraphs, sometimes a
little dialogue, and then I put it

739
00:54:55.199 --> 00:54:59.159
all together in a script and that's
kind of how it starts from there.

740
00:54:59.639 --> 00:55:01.800
Nice. I know, sometimes you
can get an idea and it just goes

741
00:55:01.920 --> 00:55:05.880
crazy with you and you just can't
stop working on it. You know.

742
00:55:06.199 --> 00:55:09.039
Jeff is a witness to me.
I had an idea last October and I

743
00:55:09.199 --> 00:55:13.719
mentioned it to him on the way
back from a convention and I had it

744
00:55:13.800 --> 00:55:15.159
written in like three days, and
I said it Joe, that hey,

745
00:55:15.400 --> 00:55:19.840
here it is. And we're trying
to get to go into production this year.

746
00:55:19.880 --> 00:55:21.719
But you know, a few things
fill apart. Just as you mentioned,

747
00:55:21.760 --> 00:55:23.519
it's a whole financing thing, and
you know, sometimes you have to

748
00:55:23.519 --> 00:55:27.400
push off a little bit to get
those things made. But I understand what

749
00:55:27.440 --> 00:55:29.480
you're talking about. You know,
you get that crazy idea and you just

750
00:55:29.599 --> 00:55:34.880
roll with it, right. Yeah. So, being a creator myself,

751
00:55:34.960 --> 00:55:38.639
I love to hear other creators and
how they do their things. So when

752
00:55:38.679 --> 00:55:44.599
you are working on a film,
do you storyboard, do you do a

753
00:55:44.719 --> 00:55:46.119
shot list? Or you just come
up with stuff when you're on the set.

754
00:55:46.559 --> 00:55:52.519
Okay, so you're gonna laugh at
this. I only I don't really

755
00:55:52.639 --> 00:55:54.440
storyboard because I can't draw off a
shit. I'm sorry either no, no,

756
00:55:54.559 --> 00:55:57.880
you're fine, You're good, You're
good. I mean I've had people

757
00:55:58.000 --> 00:56:04.400
laugh like I can't even draw a
stick? Is that? But so I'm

758
00:56:04.480 --> 00:56:07.960
not someone that tends to do storyboards
unless I like super half do it.

759
00:56:07.039 --> 00:56:12.119
And the last time I remember doing
that was in college. I don't like

760
00:56:12.199 --> 00:56:15.400
story reboarding, but I do shot
list shooting schedules because I have to,

761
00:56:15.639 --> 00:56:20.679
you know, if I could get
around that, like sometimes with shorts,

762
00:56:20.719 --> 00:56:23.360
I won't do that. But for
feature is they're necessary just to keep things

763
00:56:23.519 --> 00:56:31.559
organized. And that's well, and
that's pretty much my my process in terms

764
00:56:31.599 --> 00:56:35.119
of you know, I, like
I said, I can drive for crap,

765
00:56:36.360 --> 00:56:39.440
the shot list and the shooting schedules. It becomes very tedious when you

766
00:56:39.559 --> 00:56:44.360
have to do all that. So
sometimes it's just like mercy me, like,

767
00:56:44.960 --> 00:56:49.159
yeah, it's it's usually the last
thing I do. It's I'm a

768
00:56:49.199 --> 00:56:51.559
little less minute when it comes to
that, but I always get it done

769
00:56:51.760 --> 00:56:57.119
when it's such a pain. It's
such a pain it can be. I

770
00:56:57.360 --> 00:57:00.440
completely understand what you're talking about.
It's just like I don't want keep putting

771
00:57:00.440 --> 00:57:01.280
it off, keep putting off with
like, come on, you gotta do

772
00:57:01.360 --> 00:57:06.840
it. You have to do it
right. And I can't row right because

773
00:57:06.880 --> 00:57:09.719
I used to I used to actually
film my own stuff, so before I

774
00:57:09.800 --> 00:57:15.400
didn't really like I used to do
basic like shot lists, like just because

775
00:57:15.440 --> 00:57:17.239
I knew what I was looking for, you know, And I kind of

776
00:57:17.400 --> 00:57:23.039
like like pre train myself to do
like like safe shots is what I call.

777
00:57:23.239 --> 00:57:27.000
So it's like, no matter what, you're always getting these shots,

778
00:57:27.159 --> 00:57:29.480
you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, no exactly. I know

779
00:57:29.519 --> 00:57:32.079
there are some directors out there who
just don't do storyboards or shot list They

780
00:57:32.159 --> 00:57:35.320
just do it on the set.
I'm like, I couldn't do that.

781
00:57:35.679 --> 00:57:38.320
That would be too much anxiety and
stress on me. I couldn't handle that

782
00:57:39.199 --> 00:57:44.039
way. Cindy, I'm telling you
right now, speaking with David, you

783
00:57:44.119 --> 00:57:47.800
were talking to the king of the
shot list. He'll send something, Yeah,

784
00:57:47.840 --> 00:57:52.480
he'll send me something. I'll be
like, we're shooting like this is

785
00:57:52.519 --> 00:57:55.159
like ten minutes, right. Yeah, well there's like one hundred and seventy

786
00:57:55.199 --> 00:58:00.760
five shots. Like he is meticulous. I will say that about his shot

787
00:58:00.840 --> 00:58:04.159
list and how it is. You'll
come up with a bunch of stuff and

788
00:58:04.199 --> 00:58:06.880
sometimes you'll throw it out when you're
on set, you know, because you'll

789
00:58:06.880 --> 00:58:08.119
see something that catches your eye and
you're like, well, I don't want

790
00:58:08.159 --> 00:58:10.639
that shot now because I got something
better. You know how that works?

791
00:58:12.360 --> 00:58:15.480
Right, And like with my I
have an awesome cinemamatographer right now. Mer

792
00:58:15.519 --> 00:58:19.599
So let's Christmas shout out to Barra
me. I mean, he's also my

793
00:58:19.719 --> 00:58:24.000
drone operator. He is phenomenal.
He comes with a from a background,

794
00:58:24.079 --> 00:58:29.519
a very extensive background of music videos, so his i is very different in

795
00:58:29.639 --> 00:58:34.280
terms of lighting and what he catches. And so with shot lists, even

796
00:58:34.320 --> 00:58:36.440
though I, oh, you have
a shot list, Yeah, I don't

797
00:58:36.559 --> 00:58:39.039
really think he's following it that much
because a lot of times when we're on

798
00:58:39.159 --> 00:58:44.159
set, we just kind of do
it, you know, like he already

799
00:58:44.239 --> 00:58:45.400
knows like the basics, but I'm
just like, yeah, but I want

800
00:58:45.440 --> 00:58:49.119
this and I want that, and
then we just start inventing on set.

801
00:58:49.119 --> 00:58:52.360
And that's kind of how it's been. It's been very fun. But you

802
00:58:53.119 --> 00:58:57.800
and David are You and David are
kindred spirits, Like you're We're shooting last

803
00:58:57.840 --> 00:59:00.320
year on a project and I was
like, all right, I've I think

804
00:59:00.320 --> 00:59:01.880
I got the perfect shot for this. He's like out here and then like,

805
00:59:01.920 --> 00:59:05.079
well wait, you just crossed that
like six of them you just wrote

806
00:59:05.119 --> 00:59:07.280
hand wrote in like three mores.
Yeah, this is we're going now.

807
00:59:07.360 --> 00:59:10.639
So it's like because sometimes you know, as a filmmaker, right, you

808
00:59:10.800 --> 00:59:15.360
just get inspired on set. Maybe
you just like, oh, you know,

809
00:59:15.440 --> 00:59:17.119
it would be great to get this
like worms eye shot, you know,

810
00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:22.639
and it's just like random, you
know, and sometimes you have two

811
00:59:22.719 --> 00:59:25.280
or three shots that can turn into
just one because the one is so incredible

812
00:59:25.559 --> 00:59:29.840
you go with it, right,
that's the take. Yeah, that's the

813
00:59:29.880 --> 00:59:30.840
take. Let's move on. We
can skip up those three. Yeah,

814
00:59:30.880 --> 00:59:32.920
and you're like, wait a minute, we have no we don't go move

815
00:59:36.360 --> 00:59:39.920
I know I know how that works, but the whole process is very daunting.

816
00:59:40.519 --> 00:59:45.960
And how do you handle the stress
and anxiety on set on set?

817
00:59:45.559 --> 00:59:51.280
Yeah? Sometimes I get frustrated,
Well, on Merciless Christmas. I shouldn't

818
00:59:51.280 --> 00:59:55.000
be saying this because it's probably a
little unprofessional, but I was very festive.

819
00:59:55.880 --> 01:00:04.440
They're not, so I make for
my like my crew. I made

820
01:00:04.480 --> 01:00:07.880
sure like nobody was drinking on set. But like after said, we were

821
01:00:08.000 --> 01:00:13.920
like taking shots of you know,
and and I've never really done this on

822
01:00:14.199 --> 01:00:15.519
on set. This was actually the
first time I did it. But it

823
01:00:15.679 --> 01:00:20.519
was because I've never shot like on
Christmas. I mean literally we were like

824
01:00:21.159 --> 01:00:24.719
just like maybe two days from Christmas. So it was like and everybody's going

825
01:00:24.760 --> 01:00:30.280
home with like, look, I'm
even paying some people and alcohol. Nothing

826
01:00:30.320 --> 01:00:36.239
wrong with that if it works.
I have a scene with two crackheads,

827
01:00:36.880 --> 01:00:45.840
real crack the cigarettes. I paid
them great, but the think called for

828
01:00:45.920 --> 01:00:50.760
it and Andy, so you look, I shouldn't have said that, take

829
01:00:50.840 --> 01:00:57.960
that, no, but I but
I got there were in consents after when

830
01:00:58.000 --> 01:01:00.400
they were sober, like you know, days later. But it was a

831
01:01:00.519 --> 01:01:04.559
very impromptu kind of thing. It
was an impromptu call. They just happened

832
01:01:04.599 --> 01:01:07.960
to be around the area that we
were shooting a drug dealing scene, and

833
01:01:07.039 --> 01:01:13.800
I'm like, I need it.
That's very that's very George millerish of you.

834
01:01:14.039 --> 01:01:16.599
I think on Mad Max he paid
a couple of bikers with cigarettes and

835
01:01:16.639 --> 01:01:21.679
beer. So there you go.
You know, you're following them the legends

836
01:01:21.719 --> 01:01:27.360
here. No budget films for you
know, that's true, Yes, how

837
01:01:27.400 --> 01:01:30.639
independent film made it work. Sometimes
you gotta make it work. And if

838
01:01:30.679 --> 01:01:34.400
it's giving cigarettes, it's giving food
whatever. You know, it was the

839
01:01:34.440 --> 01:01:37.760
first time, this is Merciless Christmas
is definitely a third time for a lot

840
01:01:37.800 --> 01:01:42.000
of things. So but it's been
so fun. We've had we need a

841
01:01:42.079 --> 01:01:45.840
blooper real. Oh my god,
of what we shot so far, so

842
01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:50.920
many funny moments, so many like
odd moments. One I can tell you

843
01:01:51.800 --> 01:01:53.440
that I thought was kind of funny. So one of my actors was on

844
01:01:53.599 --> 01:01:58.880
set and one of our we had
a sponsor, and this actually helped save

845
01:01:59.039 --> 01:02:01.880
us our shoots, by the way, because we had two location sponsors that

846
01:02:02.000 --> 01:02:07.800
sponsored us, you know, really
good locations that were like thousands of dollars

847
01:02:07.880 --> 01:02:12.039
for free. So we were able
to set up shop in this location where

848
01:02:12.039 --> 01:02:17.000
we did the precing scene with a
Patrie Ramos. And in this scene,

849
01:02:19.239 --> 01:02:22.039
everybody was moving everything around. You
know, there was like real folders there

850
01:02:22.480 --> 01:02:28.559
because there was like it was a
real office of you know, a management

851
01:02:28.599 --> 01:02:31.920
office, had all these files or
whatever. We're taking pictures and moving them

852
01:02:31.960 --> 01:02:35.159
around or whatever, and I'm like, oh my god, I don't I

853
01:02:35.199 --> 01:02:37.960
don't know what goes where. Like
I start freaking out because I'm like,

854
01:02:37.039 --> 01:02:40.320
I wasn't keeping track because I'm thinking
I'm doing the work. But then I

855
01:02:40.400 --> 01:02:45.239
turn around and I see like my
camera guys putting up picture, and then

856
01:02:45.280 --> 01:02:50.320
I see somebody else putting taking something
in movies, and so my actor goes,

857
01:02:50.599 --> 01:02:52.840
Cindy, don't worry about it.
I know where everything goes. And

858
01:02:52.920 --> 01:02:55.760
I'm like, okay, great,
So when we're shooting and whatever, but

859
01:02:55.920 --> 01:03:05.239
see that actor also had to leave
set a theater a theater run right because

860
01:03:05.239 --> 01:03:10.519
he was also actor in a theatrical
show later on that out and I'm like,

861
01:03:10.559 --> 01:03:14.800
where's on and he's gone, and
I'm like, he's the woman.

862
01:03:16.480 --> 01:03:21.119
But we tried our best. It
was so it was so funny, but

863
01:03:21.199 --> 01:03:22.800
it was just like, of course, the guy. It was always like

864
01:03:22.880 --> 01:03:28.840
one of those course of course moments
like we're shooting here, no one's coming.

865
01:03:29.159 --> 01:03:30.159
Right when we set up camera,
we were ready to shoot, there's

866
01:03:30.280 --> 01:03:35.760
like, I mean floods of people, traffic. Then oddly enough like a

867
01:03:35.840 --> 01:03:39.880
police car then and like something transpired
while we were shooting, and then we

868
01:03:40.000 --> 01:03:44.280
went this way. No one was
coming from that direction. Now all of

869
01:03:44.320 --> 01:03:45.559
a sudden, all the traffic is
coming from that way. It was just

870
01:03:46.239 --> 01:03:50.519
Murphy's Law was just following us to
the max, and it was just a

871
01:03:50.559 --> 01:03:55.320
little bit frustrating at science but whimsical
at others. It never fails, especially

872
01:03:55.320 --> 01:03:58.960
if you're doing like the Gorilla filmmaking. We did a project a couple of

873
01:03:59.000 --> 01:04:00.599
years ago, film in the street
in a neighborhood, and we had to

874
01:04:00.679 --> 01:04:04.760
keep stopping car car no matter what
you did. No matter what you did

875
01:04:04.880 --> 01:04:09.039
or tried, something was interrupting the
shot and you had to keep waiting.

876
01:04:10.239 --> 01:04:15.239
I remember what the gas station from
Hell, Yes from Hell last year.

877
01:04:15.360 --> 01:04:17.400
Yes it was aggravating, but you
gotta do what you gotta do with right

878
01:04:18.320 --> 01:04:21.519
how it works as long as you
get the shot, that's right. So

879
01:04:21.800 --> 01:04:26.440
sending. When you take into account
the filmmaking process as a whole, what

880
01:04:26.639 --> 01:04:32.599
is your favorite part the end?
And when I mean the end is actually

881
01:04:32.679 --> 01:04:36.519
seeing it in the can, like
actually having a finished product. I think

882
01:04:36.599 --> 01:04:42.639
that that is the best part of
the film, is just actually being able

883
01:04:42.719 --> 01:04:47.320
to see while all this like sweat
and tears and some cases blood, you

884
01:04:47.400 --> 01:04:53.119
know, just seeing that because you
know in the beginning as filmmakers or as

885
01:04:53.199 --> 01:04:57.039
creators, you get so stressed out, you know, wanting it to be

886
01:04:57.239 --> 01:05:00.719
a certain way, or worried that
it may not, or you know,

887
01:05:00.880 --> 01:05:03.039
or Murphy's law, like we was
just thinking about. You know, there's

888
01:05:03.079 --> 01:05:06.239
so many factors that could come in
and kind of ruin it. To have

889
01:05:06.920 --> 01:05:11.440
made it to the end, because
sometimes a lot of people they get it

890
01:05:11.519 --> 01:05:14.679
started, but they can't finish it
for whatever reason. Sometimes it's out of

891
01:05:14.719 --> 01:05:16.920
your hands. So I would say
that's the best part. That's that's the

892
01:05:17.000 --> 01:05:19.519
creme de la creme. I would
definitely have to agree with you on that

893
01:05:19.599 --> 01:05:24.000
one. There's that first day when
you're shooting the film. There's so much

894
01:05:24.039 --> 01:05:26.519
to do, and you realize,
oh my gosh, we've just started this

895
01:05:26.679 --> 01:05:29.519
film, all these shots. We've
got to do what you love. Don't

896
01:05:29.519 --> 01:05:31.880
get me wrong, it's fantastic,
you love it, but you realize just

897
01:05:32.000 --> 01:05:34.199
how much you have ahead of you. But when you get to that end,

898
01:05:34.559 --> 01:05:39.039
you get to that final shot and
you realize it's the final shot and

899
01:05:39.079 --> 01:05:42.400
it's in the can. It's and
what relief. I couldn't agree more with

900
01:05:42.480 --> 01:05:46.599
you on that one. So satisfy. It is so satisfying, so satisfying.

901
01:05:46.679 --> 01:05:50.960
So my last question basically is what
advice would you give someone who wants

902
01:05:51.039 --> 01:05:56.239
to make a film or wants to
get into the filmmaking world. If you

903
01:05:56.280 --> 01:05:59.920
want to get into the filmmaking world, just do it. Just get in

904
01:06:00.079 --> 01:06:03.239
to it. Write your story,
Write your story for yourself in the beginning.

905
01:06:03.320 --> 01:06:08.880
Don't worry about writing something that somebody's
gonna like or trying to keep up

906
01:06:08.920 --> 01:06:13.559
with the masses or I see,
even though I'm not gonna knock them one

907
01:06:13.599 --> 01:06:17.199
hundred percent, I'm just not a
big fan of like fan films because of

908
01:06:17.280 --> 01:06:23.280
that, Because you're it's kind of
limiting you to your own creativity, you

909
01:06:23.400 --> 01:06:28.199
know. And even though there's different
reasons why someone may go that direction,

910
01:06:28.360 --> 01:06:30.800
you know, they want to pay
homage to something where they feel they could,

911
01:06:30.079 --> 01:06:32.760
you know, make a different story. And that's all good, But

912
01:06:32.840 --> 01:06:41.639
then you're you're you're putting it in
and you're putting your creativity in someone else's

913
01:06:42.079 --> 01:06:45.360
you know, corner that has already
be made. That So go ahead and

914
01:06:46.320 --> 01:06:50.360
you can be the next you know, terrifier or the next I mean,

915
01:06:50.679 --> 01:06:56.159
independent films can make it. Look
at Jason Vorhees, I mean Michael Myers.

916
01:06:56.239 --> 01:07:00.119
We all started from somewhere, you
know, and they're not you know,

917
01:07:00.239 --> 01:07:02.440
there's horror films out there that really
aren't all that good. But over

918
01:07:02.599 --> 01:07:06.400
time, you have seen the progression
of filmmakers, you know, as their

919
01:07:06.440 --> 01:07:11.239
careers blossom, as they're able to
get more money, as they're able to

920
01:07:11.400 --> 01:07:15.119
have more creative control, You'll see
these films grow and the same thing will

921
01:07:15.119 --> 01:07:18.480
happen for you. So don't stop. Yeah, I couldn't agree more with

922
01:07:18.559 --> 01:07:24.599
that. Just do it, Just
do it. Great advice. So let's

923
01:07:25.480 --> 01:07:30.400
let's look into the near future.
Let's say you know, we're past the

924
01:07:30.639 --> 01:07:35.760
successful runs of Sam's Web and Merciless
Christmas. Any ideas anything that you're you're

925
01:07:35.880 --> 01:07:43.280
you're looking at next once these projects
are finished. Absolutely so. Bloodstained Films

926
01:07:43.320 --> 01:07:46.679
already has worre slated for the next
five years. I have script I am

927
01:07:46.760 --> 01:07:53.320
a filmmaker, honey, a lot
of screen please, some that are in

928
01:07:53.440 --> 01:07:57.400
different stages I want. I'm not
like they're all finished films just yet,

929
01:07:57.480 --> 01:08:00.840
but so we have a couple of
projects that are slated throughout throughout the next

930
01:08:00.920 --> 01:08:05.760
five years for Bloodstained Films. We
have a lot of surprises in the future.

931
01:08:05.880 --> 01:08:10.800
But two projects that I can mention
because they are going to be done

932
01:08:10.840 --> 01:08:15.119
this year. One of them is
called New Year Nightmare. So this one

933
01:08:15.360 --> 01:08:20.680
is actually continuing on the holiday horror
theme, but a holiday that has not

934
01:08:23.359 --> 01:08:28.439
have now that one doesn't have a
lot of films, and that one's about

935
01:08:28.520 --> 01:08:33.079
human trafficking and it's a sci fi
thriller. So hm hmm interesting, Okay,

936
01:08:33.439 --> 01:08:35.680
okay, yeah, Hey, if
you guys want to get down on

937
01:08:35.800 --> 01:08:39.520
it, I'm not shooting it till
the summer, till after me. Like

938
01:08:39.640 --> 01:08:43.960
Merciless Christmas has to be done obviously, but yeah, we're planning on working

939
01:08:44.000 --> 01:08:48.880
on that late summer. Already cast
it, already have my camera girl.

940
01:08:50.199 --> 01:08:55.600
So there's just like minor things we
still have to get, you know,

941
01:08:55.880 --> 01:08:58.479
doing props and stuff like that,
because there's a lot going into it.

942
01:08:58.560 --> 01:09:00.680
But that's all I say for right
now. We do have a poster out

943
01:09:00.920 --> 01:09:05.680
on it so far on Bloodstained Films, and it's actually gonna I'm going to

944
01:09:05.720 --> 01:09:11.680
be in the film. Oh no, I like to add but I don't

945
01:09:11.720 --> 01:09:15.520
like the way I look on camera. So you know, I'm a filmmaker.

946
01:09:15.600 --> 01:09:17.720
We like to be behind the scenes. We don't amen preach it.

947
01:09:19.439 --> 01:09:24.560
But but that's the reason, that's
one of my coming out the box.

948
01:09:24.640 --> 01:09:28.359
So I realized, maybe all this
time I'm not noticing because I don't really

949
01:09:28.399 --> 01:09:31.479
put myself out there in my face. So I decided, let me try

950
01:09:31.520 --> 01:09:36.399
to take a different direction. And
so I've cameoed. I'm starting to cameo

951
01:09:36.399 --> 01:09:41.600
on my films, not really like
super large roles. I would think New

952
01:09:41.680 --> 01:09:45.399
Year and Nimara is one of the
bigger roles out of everything. You have

953
01:09:45.600 --> 01:09:51.439
got a lot in store. It
seems like for all of us, you

954
01:09:51.520 --> 01:09:56.880
know, we're We've been talking with
Cindy Sceinabria. You know, we've been

955
01:09:56.880 --> 01:10:00.199
talking about XX, which is an
incredible film. I think I think it's

956
01:10:00.199 --> 01:10:03.720
safe to say all three of us
recommend this one. Oh I personally,

957
01:10:03.760 --> 01:10:06.720
I love the fact that it's on
Hulu, So I have to access a

958
01:10:08.039 --> 01:10:14.720
horror film through Disney Plus, which
XX. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,

959
01:10:14.760 --> 01:10:18.760
listeners search for XX on Disney Plus. That's that's that's how I got to

960
01:10:18.880 --> 01:10:24.840
it. But we want to know
what you think of XX. You can

961
01:10:24.920 --> 01:10:28.439
let us know on social media.
We're on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter,

962
01:10:29.159 --> 01:10:32.880
you can check out www dot a
film by podcast dot com. Our entire

963
01:10:32.960 --> 01:10:36.880
library is streaming. They're free.
We're writing articles now. You can write

964
01:10:36.920 --> 01:10:41.960
to us at a film by podcast
at gmail dot com with your questions,

965
01:10:42.000 --> 01:10:45.840
comments and concerns, and we may
just read your response on the show and

966
01:10:45.039 --> 01:10:47.760
send you some of our a film
by swag. I know that's happened a

967
01:10:47.800 --> 01:10:55.000
couple times recently here Dave Cindy.
It has been such a pleasure for you.

968
01:10:57.000 --> 01:11:00.880
We talked about so as far as
like our listeners wanted to to hear

969
01:11:00.960 --> 01:11:05.079
more from you, to see more
from you. We talked about the www

970
01:11:05.239 --> 01:11:11.079
dot bloodstainedfilms dot com. What about
the social media? Are you? Are

971
01:11:11.079 --> 01:11:13.520
you out there so can can listeners
connect with you? There? We are.

972
01:11:14.199 --> 01:11:17.640
I'm on Horror Toory Guide. That's
our main group, Horror Toory Guide.

973
01:11:18.279 --> 01:11:21.800
We're on. You could go to
our website horrortory guide dot com.

974
01:11:23.319 --> 01:11:27.760
We share news there, we have
updates there. I used to do a

975
01:11:27.800 --> 01:11:30.800
lot of horror hosting there, but
since I you know, I'm concentrating on

976
01:11:30.880 --> 01:11:35.760
the filmmaking and we're just more like
that's going to transform into something different.

977
01:11:36.039 --> 01:11:42.159
News to follow, But Horror Toory
Guide We're on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter,

978
01:11:42.399 --> 01:11:45.840
you name it, We're there.
Come visit us some bloodstained films.

979
01:11:45.319 --> 01:11:49.600
Right now, we just have our
website. We do have our social medias,

980
01:11:49.600 --> 01:11:51.520
but we're like setting them in place, so we haven't, like,

981
01:11:51.640 --> 01:11:58.600
really we haven't like launched that officially
yet on you on social media. You

982
01:11:58.600 --> 01:12:02.760
could come to our Merciless Christmas group
on Facebook and get updates. I post

983
01:12:02.800 --> 01:12:08.119
a lot of behind the scenes photos, updates on actors, everything related to

984
01:12:08.159 --> 01:12:11.800
Merciless Christmas. So come join us. I can't wait to see that.

985
01:12:12.039 --> 01:12:15.600
I really can't. I'm excited.
I'm I'm looking forward to talking more about

986
01:12:15.640 --> 01:12:19.520
Mercialless Christmas. Cindy. We would
we would love to have you come back,

987
01:12:20.680 --> 01:12:24.039
and not just for mercialist Christmas.
You know, we'll you know,

988
01:12:24.119 --> 01:12:26.359
any any film you want to talk
about. We'd love to have you back

989
01:12:27.399 --> 01:12:30.920
to chat with us. But I
think I speak for Dave when I say

990
01:12:30.960 --> 01:12:35.159
we would love the opportunity to get
you and Apache on the same episode and

991
01:12:35.520 --> 01:12:40.279
talk about Merciless Christmas and maybe maybe
someone else. Yeah, oh, he

992
01:12:40.800 --> 01:12:45.319
it would just be too much.
I love a patch. Oh well,

993
01:12:45.399 --> 01:12:49.279
actually a pache Ramos is a little
like romantic, so when he gets on

994
01:12:49.439 --> 01:12:55.159
set, like any he is,
I mean they are nothing in his hands.

995
01:12:55.319 --> 01:12:57.520
Oh you're so beautiful and blah blah
blah blah, and I'm like a

996
01:12:57.600 --> 01:13:00.640
patche you're working. Hello. Well
you made him. He made him look

997
01:13:00.720 --> 01:13:03.479
so good in the in this trailer. I mean we're used to like,

998
01:13:04.359 --> 01:13:09.239
you know, the orphan Apache,
you know, and this guy, he's

999
01:13:10.439 --> 01:13:15.199
right, he's got that that fifty
dollars haircut, he's got this really great

1000
01:13:15.279 --> 01:13:17.640
suit. You got him looking,
you got him looking suaves. So yeah,

1001
01:13:17.920 --> 01:13:24.119
we even need like little IDs like
we really made like like police ideas,

1002
01:13:25.079 --> 01:13:31.479
real badge walking around with a real
police anywhere. No, but we

1003
01:13:31.640 --> 01:13:38.479
have a police officer that uh shout
out to Patrick Haggarty. He's in the

1004
01:13:38.600 --> 01:13:42.439
film as well, but he's also
one of our consultants on set. So

1005
01:13:42.560 --> 01:13:45.479
he's a real police officer and he
was able to come on set and and

1006
01:13:45.600 --> 01:13:49.039
you know, give us the right
way how police like the police jargon and

1007
01:13:49.159 --> 01:13:54.880
all, you know. But Apache
is very he's very funny, and I

1008
01:13:55.000 --> 01:13:59.159
just can't give away certain things,
but stay soon because we're definitely gonna have

1009
01:13:59.199 --> 01:14:03.680
a blueber reel. Oh boy,
hilarious. He's he's so fun to work

1010
01:14:03.760 --> 01:14:06.319
with, but sometimes he's a little
too fun to work with and we're like,

1011
01:14:08.079 --> 01:14:11.359
come on, Apache, let's go. Oh yeah, I'm aware of

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01:14:11.439 --> 01:14:15.359
that one with a podcast. Yes, he's you know, he's popular on

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set, so sometimes it has gotten
distracting. But because he was like he's

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like but but at the end of
the day, like we've you know,

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he's doing a great job. And
I mean I'm proud of like my whole

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casting crew, like so far,
so good, and what's to come as

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like whoa, it's like we did
about ten kills on this on this run,

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but we have so much more to
go, Like it's gonna be a

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fun or a bloody goodness. Can't
wait, cannot wait? Well, thanks

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listeners, we have been talking to
Cindy Sinnabria. I hope you have enjoyed

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what we've she has to talk about. Go visit her website at bloodstainedfilms dot

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com see what you can do to
help her out so that she can continue

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to make her films. Thanks the
one