Dec. 8, 2025

Taylor Hackford - White Nights

Taylor Hackford - White Nights
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Season 6 A Film By...

We have lots to celebrate this week with the 40th anniversary of Taylor Hackford's 1985 musical drama, White Nights! Our very own Amber Lewis takes hosting duties to dive into the incredible performances by Mikhail Baryshnikov, Gregory Hines, and Helen Mirren! Find out what Angela Norris and Jeff Johnson have to say after their first-time watch.

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Angela. Do you have a favorite cinematic dancer.

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Oh, totally, Patrick Swayze, Oh that's so good.

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Yes, I mean I grew up with that dirty dance

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and oh my gosh, I wanted to.

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I would practice those steps in my living room.

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I so bad, be baby, and I love that soundtrack.

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I played it all, Oh my god, constantly. We had

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it on record, and I think even about that time,

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maybe Casseetsia we're coming out. Yeah, but I mean Cynthia Rhodes,

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I mean she watching her, I mean she was just amazing.

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I was like I wish I could. Yeah, but definitely

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Patrick Swayzee.

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Would I love that answer? Jeff, how about you? I

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feel like you don't have an answer, but surprise.

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I'll surprise you. I'll surprise you with an Amber Lewis answer.

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I'll just no, it's gotta be. It's gotta be Ryn

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McCormick ninety eight four's Footloose, Kevin Bacon. But if you know,

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because like you know, Wren had all the moves. But

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I'll tell you the moves I really enjoyed. Uh, Jennifer

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Bill's flash Dance.

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Yeah, yes, what a feeling.

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What I was I was, I was straight up an adult.

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Before I learned that they were strippers, I thought they

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just were exotics, so naive. So of course I have

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many answers to this question. But for me, in terms

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of like all over talent with acting, dancing, singing, and directing,

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my favorite is Gene Kelly.

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Oh wow, you went classic.

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That's that's what I did. He makes me so happy.

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So speaking of dancing, though, let's talk about a film

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by Taylor Hackford, his nineteen eighty five underrated film White Knights.

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Welcome to the Film By Podcast.

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I'm Amber Lewis, I'm Jeff Johnson.

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I'm Angela Norris, and we are going back to the

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dance studio for this film. Listeners may remember our Black

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Swan episode from earlier this year, and now we are

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revisiting another dance film, Taylor Hackford's White Knights, starring dance

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legends Mikhail Barishnikoff and Gregory Hines. Friends, I've got some

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trivia for you about Taylor Hackford. This was fun because

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I did not know hardly anything about him, but he

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joins our list of directors that have also directed music videos.

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He directed the music video for Against All Odds by

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Phil Collins, and he also directed that film and then

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the Oscar winning song for this film, Lena Richie's say

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You Say Me, Well, he directed it mm hmm, directed

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both cool videos and kind of became known for like

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his movie had the big hit song with it. He

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was kind of that guy for a while, but then

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he deliberately kind of steered away from it. He was like,

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I was tired of being that guy.

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I think that was a mistake because when he stopped

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being that guy, he just kind of though off the

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radar a little bit.

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I think, yes, the eighties were definitely his heyday.

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I think yeah, I look through his filmography just because

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I just to be familiar with him. But since you

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brought up against all odds, I actually watched that for

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the first time last summer. Loved the song, have always

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loved the song, so I knew the song well before

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the story, and I was so disappointed by the movie.

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What I'm like on your Heads.

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I love I love Jeff Bridges.

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Yes, I love Jeff Bridges, but I mean I I

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wanted to stop watching the movie, but I finished it

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to completion because I wanted to have a truth and

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I was just like, that is a one and done

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and the song is definitely a lot better.

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I just enjoy the song. Yeah, it's fine.

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Yeah. So I was like, don't don't get me started

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on Rachel Ward. I have lots of I know, I

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grew up with Thornbirds with my mom. I got you

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know what, right, Like.

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The thorn Birds is like the outlier. But the rest

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of her movie I.

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Just like, oh my god, was this? It was this?

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It was this the best at this time? Okay, okay,

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I get it.

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Yeah, all right, well let's swerve and talk about a

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better actress. Taylor Hackford met his future wife, Helen Mirren

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while making this film, but it was not love at

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first sight for her. He tells the story that when

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they first met, she was furious with him because he

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made her wait when she came into audition, and like

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had no problem telling him that she was not pleased

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like most actors you think are going in like please

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hire me, you know, and would not do anything to

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rock the boat. And she went in and was like,

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well do.

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You know who I am? Well then she made him

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wait twelve years before Mary.

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Right, I don't think he's complaining, right.

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I wonder what he did to convince her because she

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had Valic.

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She just she said she's never getting married and she.

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Didn't have kids. But they've been yet together since ninety seven,

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so good on them.

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And then the last bit of trivia a little bit sad,

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but it is a beautiful story. During post production on

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this film, Taylor Hackford's mother was ill and was dying,

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and he went to the studio to ask for time

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off to be with his mom, and the studio head

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of Columbia Pictures looked at him and said, hey, man,

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you've only got one mom and gave him two months

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off to be with her for take care of her

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the end of her life. And then at the end

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of the credits, the film is dedicated to her and

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to Jerry Benjamin, who is the father of one of

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the film's executive producers, Stuart Benjamin. So it's kind of

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a unique story of a studio head not being a

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soulless money grubbing Sure.

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It's nice. That's a nice change of pace, honestly.

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Because I mean, you finish and they're like, okay, we

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want it yesterday, you know. And then I love his

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quote that I found. He says, when I finish a film,

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I put it away and I never look at it again.

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Occasionally I do, because of the DVDs and the commentary tracks,

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but I usually just put it aside and go on

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to the next And I watched this. I bought a

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copy and watched this with the director's commentary on, and

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you could totally tell his not looked at a single

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frame in like twenty years, because he kept getting distracted.

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He was like all over the place. He'd be in

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the mall of story and he's like, oh wait, I

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have to tell you how to set up the shot.

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I got adorable. I gotta ask what, how good is

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a Taylor Hackford audio commentary? Because some directors are fantastic

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and some you're better off listening to paint dry Looking

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at you, Tim Burton, How's Taylor Hackford?

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He is a little in the technical side for me,

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Like there're the airplane crash in this film. He goes

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in depth of how they set it up and like

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which parts of the shot were forced perspective and which

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parts were you know, miniatures, and but he does tell

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a good anecdote about how he was like ready to

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strangle the stunt coordinator because you really only want to

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do this once, and he the stunt coordinator insisted on

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being the one to push the button and set off

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the detonation for the explosion, and he went too fast

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and did not wait until the opportune moment. And Hackford's like,

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I'm pissed at him to this day. So love from column,

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I love from Columbach To answer your question.

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Okay, I appreciate a good grudge holding right, I still

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have one against the Academy Awards for not giving the

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oscar to Nicole Kimman Formulan Rouge.

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All right, well, let's get to talking about this film.

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The winner of one Academy Award, the nineteen eighty five

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film White Knights. Jeff, for those of us who haven't

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seen it, give us a synopsis.

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So it's celebrating what it's fortieth anniversary this month?

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God he five, So can I give you?

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I give you a synopsis in like the movie trailer.

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Try the movie trailer? Guy everg oh yeah?

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In a world, yeah.

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All right, you want to know about White Knights?

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In a world where night is bright white. A plane

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makes an emergency land against Siberia. Ballet dancer Nikolai Ratchenko

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is recognized as a defector, brought into custody returned to

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Leningrad and reunited with his former love, aging prima ballerina

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Galina Enova played by the electrifying Helen Mirren. Nikolai meets

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American dancer Raymond Greenwood, who defected to the Soviet Union

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during the Vietnam War but has secretly grown disenchanted. Together,

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they plot an escape to the American consulate and freedom right.

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Very good, So, Angela, I never get to do those.

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It was a good one. You. I can't do the voice,

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so I'm impressed. So, Angela, I have seen this movie

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like callous times. It was on heavy HBO rotation back

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in the day, which made it easier. Was this the

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first time watched for you? Did you watch it?

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And yes, last night was the first time I've watched it.

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I even yeah, I know about this or heard of it. Yeah,

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so this was new to me.

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Oh my goodness, Jeff, what about you?

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This was first time? Yeah, it's the first time, right,

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you know. Looking back beginning season when we did the

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the Black Swan episode, I was like, let's Amber loves

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the Ballet. Let's let's throw a cool.

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That was a great movie.

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Didn't didn't think we'd be at the end of the

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season doing another ballet ish type of movie. So, but

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I gotta say, uh, I'm glad we're celebrating the anniversary.

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I'm glad you pushed for this one. I'm glad I

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watched it.

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Oh good, all right, we are going to take a

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quick break and then we're going to get into talking

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about this cast. Okay. So my whole entire reason for

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watching this movie and my obsession for a long time.

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Makil Berrishnikov one of the greatest ballet dancers ever, definitely

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the greatest of his generation. He had already been nominated

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for an Oscar and a Golden Globe for the nineteen

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seventy seven film The Turning Point before taking the role

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of Richenko in this Are we fans? Were you fans before?

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Okay, so I'm familiar with the name. Never saw a performance.

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Jesus Man, my friend, this guy.

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It's like it's like you took the DNA of Dracula,

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Willem Dafoe, Kevin Bacon's dancing, probably a little bit of

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Rutger Hower and you just blend it up and you

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and the result you pour it out and it's it's

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this guy. I was completely blown away by the opening

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ten minutes of this movie. This performance he puts on.

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That ballet is mind blowing.

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I was. I was in awe. I really was, because

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I'll be honest with you, it's like, you know, ballet

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dancer finds another dancer and they're gonna work together. I'm

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gonna play along. But that attitude was gone after I

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watched this opening performance of this this French ballet that

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he does. Impressive.

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Oh, I'm so glad you think so, Angela. Were you

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a fan of Bershnakoff before.

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I'd heard of him? But I was mainly introduced when

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he was Carrie Bradshaw's boyfriend.

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I'm blowing to be like, I have worshiped Brushiakv since

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I was like three years old. Like you don't understand,

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like ballet was in our home, so I just like.

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Yeah it.

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Is.

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I'm like what but to be fair dancing?

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Yeah, to be fair? Didn't you grow up in this

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world like where? I mean, like you were like an

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ice skater, you did ballet like that was it's kind

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of your thing, right.

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Like my mother was her mother was a ballerina.

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I have I have yet to to ice skate or

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dance in my life.

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So I.

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Mean soccer is kind of like I.

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Play soccer ballet, all right, you got the guy's amazing.

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But I knew of Gregory Hines.

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I knew him, Oh you did, Yes, I knew him,

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So I I I knew of that, but yeah, I

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was not familiar with the mckil's fantastic dance background and talent.

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like his character, he defected to Canada in nineteen seventy

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four and then came to the US like right after that,

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and he was unable and of course unwilling to return

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to Russia while filming this movie. So the scenes in

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Leningrad where they're you know, running on the street at

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the end and they're escaping, like all of that in

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Leningrad was a stunt double.

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I can appreciate him being a little worried about going

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home to Mother Russia.

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I mean, he couldn't. He would have been arrested the

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minute he got there. But he never did go back.

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He's he's actually Latvians. So when Latvian uh declared their

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independence in the nineties, he went back there, but he

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never went back to you know, the former Soviet Union.

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I wouldn't be surprised if he's uh got like I mean,

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I'm sure he's obviously got like dual citizenship, but I

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wouldn't be surprised if he didn't have one for for France,

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because like he speaks, maybe you're the you're the expert

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on French dialect and not well.

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For this podcast I am.

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I feel like he does a pretty convincing uh French accent.

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Though, yes, he speaks fluent French so well. I think

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it's funny that he speaks fluent French with a French

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accent but speaks English with a very thick Russian accent,

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and he's lived here for fifty years. Like that's interesting,

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It's unusual. Yeah, it is.

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Yeah, you can take the Boy out of Russia, but

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Russia out of the boy.

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This film was made when he he was the artistic

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director for the American Ballet Theater. He was in his thirties,

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which is considered basically past your prime in the dance world,

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and he was plagued by injuries, mostly to his knee

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and his ankle. He actually sprained his ankle performing Don

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Quixote and had to He sprained his ankle during the performance,

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had to finish the performance doing a double pirouet on

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that ankle, and then took two curtain calls and passed out.

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Hey real quick. Uh, for all the for all the

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gentlemen listening right now who aren't upped on their ballet,

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A pure wet, A pure wet is Uh, it's guys.

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It's that that move where you you're on like your

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tiptoes and you spin around real fast.

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Yes, Jeffrey remembers from Pretty Black saunam impressed. Uh.

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Yeah, you know, Hey, I'm here to provide like eleven

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pier wets of male perspective with you two on white

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nights because like I love and I'd almost step on scenes.

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But you know, the the eleven peer wet scene was

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pretty pretty dope.

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So well, I'm glad that you could appreciate that moment

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because you really can't appreciate how impossible that is to do,

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Like it can't be done, and yet he does it

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and doesn't even do it like struggling. He does it

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with ease.

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Hey, I'm gonna tell you right now, the first slick

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floor I get back to, I'm I'm going for it.

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If he can he can do eleven, I could say

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I could probably get five. I'm over thirty eight or so,

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I'm a little past my prime.

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And then for one good one, Jeff, you would probably

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do best with the risky business move.

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We'll settle for that. Just bust out the white sox

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and the white button up shirt, you know. All right,

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we'll give you some rules for that.

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That sounds more like Jennifer Bial's flash dance, but we'll

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see the night's young.

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Bust out that water bucket.

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Oh my god, it just went off the rails so quick.

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Oh, it's gonna happen.

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Finally, just to kind of underline the athleticism necessary to

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do what Misha can do, he had to do physical

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therapy for three hours before he could start dancing for

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his scenes in this film, and Gregory Hines was feeling

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kind of stiff, and he was like, you know, I'm

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gonna do some of your pet you know, before we film,

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and he was like screaming, like the thing therapist went

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to work on his vessels. He was like, oh my god,

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how do you survive this brush of cops? Like, eh,

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just as this is a Tuesday for me, I don't

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know what to tell. So Gregory Hines, we have the

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greatest ballet dancer in the world. Now we have the

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greatest tap dancer in the world, also a black belt

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in karate.

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I did not know that about him.

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I didn't either.

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Well, I mean, to be fair, he's not typically doing

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karate in his films. I mean, even you know, we

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covered Running Scared on our limited nineteen eighty six series.

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I don't remember any karate from Gregory Hines in that movie.

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I remember, I remember cut off shirts and roller skates

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and right Shine, Sweet Freedom, But I don't remember any

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karate mows.

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So, I mean, he kind of busts out a few

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kicks and in this movie you have in a stylized

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kind of way. But I thought it was just part

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of Twilat Tharpe's choreography because she is very avant garde like.

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And then during the commentary, Taylor Hackford was incredibly impressed

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with Gregory Heines' karate skills.

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Well, you have to be impressed by Gregory Hines his dancing,

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while it's not ballet. He's one of the greatest tap dancers.

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He was one of the greatest tap dancers of all time.

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I have to believe. I know, a couple of years back,

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a couple of seasons back we did Francis Ford Coppola

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is The Cotton Club, and his dancing in that is

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just phenomenal. I know, Deaf Dave's probably listening and he's

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keeping count. That's two nineteen eighty four movies I've already mentioned,

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so name he's loving it. I'm sure right.

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The interesting thing about his introduction in this film, he's

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performing there's a boat that's leaving soon for New York

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from Poor Game Bess, and he had actually already played

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sport and life in Poorga and Bress on Broadway in

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the sixties, so this was familiar territory to him. And

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you might think it was unusual to have a Gershwin

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tune in Siberia being like okay for the audience to watch,

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but they actually were okay with it because it talks

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about the poverty and racial oppression of African Americans in America,

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so it's basically talking about America is not wonderful, and

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so the Russians were like, yeah, absolutely, you can do

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that show.

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I would like to interject that even though I was

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not fully aware of Mikhail, I recognized the Gershwin song

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as well as the.

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Musical that he was singing that pro so I knew

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those thanks to Barber Streisan. I was familiar with them.

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With that so I recognized that.

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The interesting thing is about that song is the Gershwin

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Estate has like an iron class grip on how and

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when and where his music can be performed, and poor

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game best can only be done with a cast of

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people of color. So Taylor Hackford had to like search

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and finally found this woman from whose Bekistan to hire

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to play Bess in that scene, and like right to

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the Gershwin Estate and be like, Okay, she's not white,

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she's from who's Bekkistan, It's okay to get the permission

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to use that song, which I didn't know that either.

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I was.

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I learned all kinds of fascinating things about the making

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of this movie. And then the last little bit of

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trivia about Gregory Hines. Did you know he is on

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a hostage stamp really yep in twenty seventeen as part

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of the Black Heritage series. Nice and it's a really

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great picture. I was interested to see, is it, like,

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you know, an action him dancing or is it just

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his face or whatever? And it's a full body He's

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sitting down and his foot is like prominent in the foreground,

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so you can see he's wearing tap shoes. So it's

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a neat picture.

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That's a that's a good that's a good call. It's

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good choice.

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So moving on to Jeff's favorite part of the movie,

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Miss Helen Marrin playing Galina Ivanova. We all perk up

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when she walks on.

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Yeah, have you have you? Those legs come on like you.

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Have, and the way she moves like you have no

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doubt that she used to to be a ballerina. Like

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she absolutely sells it.

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I have no doubt that if they had made the

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Avengers movie in nineteen eighty five, this is a black widow.

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Black widow.

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Yeah, yes, man, she's she is white hot for white Knights.

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We've already discussed her because my my partner in All

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Things Space, Andrew Blakeley, and I covered the Peter Heims

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film twenty ten. She already played a Russian in that one.

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She played a cosmonaut. Her father was Russian, so she

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comes by the accent very, very easily. And what I

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love about her character I thought it was interesting that

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she plays the person that like doesn't really want to

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leave you know, I don't know about you, guys, but

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I remember learning in the eighties like Russia was horrible,

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they were evil, they were all going to kill us,

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and no one wanted to live there. So now, with

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advantage of time and perspective, you know, to see a

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character that, you know, she recognized that there were problems,

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but she loved her country. She wanted to stay, she

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didn't want to leave.

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Well, I mean, it's nineteen eighty five. Look at the

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movies that are coming out this year. You know, you've

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got like an evil Russian person in a view to

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a kill you. You've got Rocky going over to Russia

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to fight Ivan Drago. The Russians were bad guys.

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That's serious.

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Yeah the way. Look, I'll say it. I don't give

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a ship like they're still They're still bad guys like

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you guys probably don't know. But a lot of our

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content for this this show, it does not get to

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Russia like they I get. I get blocks all the

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time from YouTube and other places like this content is

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not available in Russia. Wow, their lost, you know, enjoy

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our blue jeans. I guess I don't know.

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Oh my gosh, how do we feel about Isabella? Roussolini's

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non Russian accent. I think she is as beautiful as

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her mother, but like her mother, you know, ingrid Bergmann

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was Swedish in every damn movie she made. It didn't

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matter who she was playing or how she was playing it.

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And Isabella Rosselini, like she is Italian, she will only

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ever be Italian. She can't nott be Italian.

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Yeah, I was like, no, you're you're not Russian, you lie.

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I picked up on that right away.

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It was like, no, it's not a thing. But she's

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so beautiful and she reminds me so much of her mother.

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Like it's kind of rude to say, but this was

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just her first movie, so she didn't have a whole

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lot of you know, skill to begin with. So that's

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all I saw was, you know, baby ingrid Bergman.

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Okay, so you know, I did pick up on the

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opening credits where it says introducing Isabella Rosselini, And I'm

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not saying anything about her acting ability. I thought she

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did good, but you know, maybe maybe I'm on my

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own here, but I don't get it. I don't think

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she's really overly attractive, Like I know she was on

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Ross's list on Friends. You know, they had that fun

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episode where she she walked into Central Perk and he

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got to make it. He got to make his move.

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But I I've never understood it, Like I don't. I

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don't really see it really. I think she's a decent actress.

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But comes her no in the lass.

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No, I'm too busy checking out Goldie and Maryland that one.

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I'm sorry, I just I don't get the whole Isabella

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Rosal anything. I just don't just not your type.

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I guess she.

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Could walk, I could. It could be nineteen eighty five.

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I'm walking down the street, she's walking. I'm just gonna

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keep I'm just gonna pass her by. I'm sorry, I

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just am.

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She was like a huge international model too, like she

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was the Faith of lank Why.

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I don't And then they fired her for being too

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old at forty three, I know.

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But then they got a female CEO and she headed

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her back and she.

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Went off and yeah, I did some cool things on

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her own. So yes, anyway, that would be a different

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rabbit hole that.

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Right, the listeners can go down the way so we

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can rant about that off.

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My definitely look into that.

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It's very interesting when you see like the things that

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she did and how she turned that around. It's yes,

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very okay, yeah, and again hear me, were I am

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an Italian.

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I'm all for her. I listen, I'm all for her accomplishment.

471
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And like I said, she's not a bad actress. And

472
00:28:02.480 --> 00:28:05.279
it's not that she's I'm not saying that she's not beautiful.

473
00:28:05.279 --> 00:28:07.960
I'm just saying, you know, she's not my cup of vodka.

474
00:28:09.240 --> 00:28:12.640
No, no, Well, as far as with this, even if

475
00:28:12.680 --> 00:28:14.200
it was like her, I don't know if it was

476
00:28:14.200 --> 00:28:17.079
her first film or just her first national film. Okay,

477
00:28:17.160 --> 00:28:22.400
was her actual first film, you know from coming from

478
00:28:22.519 --> 00:28:26.000
the you know legacy that she did. I get why

479
00:28:26.039 --> 00:28:29.720
you know that that those doors were open, but beyond

480
00:28:30.039 --> 00:28:32.240
the kind of like yeah, she even says it's a

481
00:28:32.240 --> 00:28:35.960
beautiful lady, but beyond I mean she yeah.

482
00:28:35.799 --> 00:28:38.039
She even says in an interview like people came to

483
00:28:38.079 --> 00:28:40.279
her and wanted her to be in movies, and she

484
00:28:40.400 --> 00:28:43.759
was like, I mean, I get it that my parents are,

485
00:28:43.880 --> 00:28:46.119
but I don't know why they one in't me? Right?

486
00:28:46.960 --> 00:28:52.759
Were we all so excited for John Glover Lionel Luther

487
00:28:53.000 --> 00:28:54.319
the Spy?

488
00:28:54.599 --> 00:28:59.240
Yes, my god did coming had I.

489
00:28:59.480 --> 00:29:01.359
No memory of him being in this movie.

490
00:29:01.960 --> 00:29:05.759
He's even got a cool name. He's Win Scott. I

491
00:29:05.880 --> 00:29:06.680
love John Glower.

492
00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:09.440
Oh my god, I just watched this last night and

493
00:29:09.519 --> 00:29:13.279
my brain is scrambling to figure out what you're talking about.

494
00:29:13.559 --> 00:29:17.920
My gosh, oh guy, the c I a guy with

495
00:29:17.960 --> 00:29:20.920
the glass, the young guy that helps get him out

496
00:29:20.960 --> 00:29:26.799
at the end. Watched with Helen marrin where he's like,

497
00:29:27.519 --> 00:29:29.559
I'll call you and have you come to.

498
00:29:31.119 --> 00:29:35.559
A guy who wound up being and scrooged. Okay, because

499
00:29:35.599 --> 00:29:37.359
I thought that was him with the spie. I was like,

500
00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:38.440
I'm pretty sure that.

501
00:29:38.720 --> 00:29:42.440
Was the yes, Okay, yeah, he's Grimlins.

502
00:29:43.079 --> 00:29:47.119
I apologize. Yeah, brain re engaged.

503
00:29:51.440 --> 00:29:54.880
And I got a big kick also out of Geraldine

504
00:29:54.920 --> 00:30:00.359
Page as Anne Wyatt uh Colea's manager. Like she's a

505
00:30:00.640 --> 00:30:03.880
legend of stage and screen. I understand this, but for

506
00:30:04.039 --> 00:30:08.759
me it doesn't matter. She's Madame Medusa from the Rescuers

507
00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:13.079
and she freaking ate the scenery in this movie. She

508
00:30:13.240 --> 00:30:14.519
is such a trip.

509
00:30:15.039 --> 00:30:16.119
She was fun to watch.

510
00:30:16.200 --> 00:30:21.240
I did enjoy seeing when she was playing aletely different movie.

511
00:30:21.400 --> 00:30:25.119
Oh yeah, yeah, she's absolutely like where does this lady

512
00:30:25.240 --> 00:30:25.599
come from?

513
00:30:25.680 --> 00:30:27.440
But you know what, I'm interested.

514
00:30:28.279 --> 00:30:31.640
She's she's sass in the the KGB. She'm like, I

515
00:30:31.720 --> 00:30:32.240
respect her.

516
00:30:32.359 --> 00:30:36.839
She's she's Jill Assassin, the CIA guy too. She was like,

517
00:30:37.799 --> 00:30:39.519
I will go right out there to the press.

518
00:30:42.519 --> 00:30:47.400
No, I liked her, Amber. You uh, you're talking about

519
00:30:47.400 --> 00:30:51.680
screen legends. Maybe maybe maybe this this person's on the list.

520
00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:53.160
I don't know if I'm if I'm cutting in.

521
00:30:53.720 --> 00:30:55.279
You are you're stepping on my toest, But you go

522
00:30:55.400 --> 00:30:57.039
right ahead, cuz no, no, no.

523
00:30:57.359 --> 00:31:00.640
I please give it, you know, because there's I saw someone.

524
00:31:00.680 --> 00:31:04.000
I was like, yes, is that who we're talking about?

525
00:31:04.440 --> 00:31:05.400
Blink and you miss her?

526
00:31:06.599 --> 00:31:06.920
Okay?

527
00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:11.039
We have a bomb girl, we do, but I couldn't.

528
00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:14.319
I couldn't place her, Okay, so I recognized her immediately.

529
00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:18.039
It was like, a is that that's got to be her? Amber,

530
00:31:18.039 --> 00:31:19.720
I'll let you have that one because I'm thinking of

531
00:31:19.799 --> 00:31:22.000
someone else. Actually, oh well, so you.

532
00:31:22.079 --> 00:31:27.119
Were not thinking of Mary and Miriam Dabo uh in

533
00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:31.480
the two second scenes smooching on Bershnikov in his dressing room.

534
00:31:31.920 --> 00:31:36.279
Hey, I I love her. Yeah, she's like the girl.

535
00:31:36.359 --> 00:31:39.119
I was like, where was she at for like one

536
00:31:39.720 --> 00:31:42.799
literally blink and you miss her? Like one second?

537
00:31:43.680 --> 00:31:47.119
I love her. In a film we did called Greedy

538
00:31:48.279 --> 00:31:52.359
last season, I love her in Conyan the Destroyer, which

539
00:31:52.400 --> 00:32:01.440
will probably never cover. But yeah, well good movies. We

540
00:32:01.599 --> 00:32:06.519
love Ambro was talking about, So who were you thinking of?

541
00:32:06.640 --> 00:32:06.799
Then?

542
00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:10.400
Oh? Okay, so I know you saw him. But now

543
00:32:11.680 --> 00:32:14.119
I'll tell you what. Let's play a little little word association.

544
00:32:14.160 --> 00:32:16.440
I'm gonna give you film titles until you give me

545
00:32:16.480 --> 00:32:16.799
his name.

546
00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:18.279
I'm never going to get this.

547
00:32:18.640 --> 00:32:24.599
Okay, okay, Flash Gordon Raiders of the Lost Arc Batman,

548
00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:26.279
No nothing.

549
00:32:27.039 --> 00:32:29.640
I mean I could tell you who's in this with

550
00:32:29.839 --> 00:32:32.039
not three? How about?

551
00:32:32.079 --> 00:32:34.480
How about how about Jet Porkins in Star Wars.

552
00:32:35.240 --> 00:32:37.519
Wait, that guy was? Where was he? A Flash Gordon?

553
00:32:38.279 --> 00:32:43.640
William Hootkins, He's he's the He's the the guy at

554
00:32:43.640 --> 00:32:45.359
the end of Raiders Top Men.

555
00:32:45.559 --> 00:32:49.119
No, I know who he is, but damn it, he was.

556
00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:53.200
He was Munson under the Bumbling Yeah you got you

557
00:32:53.359 --> 00:32:54.440
the beginning of it. Munson.

558
00:32:54.920 --> 00:32:57.000
Oh he's in it probably two seconds.

559
00:32:57.680 --> 00:33:01.440
Well it still counts. Yes, William Howkins is here. He's

560
00:33:01.480 --> 00:33:03.160
like he's like John Lover's sidekick.

561
00:33:04.400 --> 00:33:06.559
I did not recognize him all.

562
00:33:07.599 --> 00:33:15.119
He meets Telamren at the Market's so funny. He was great. Yeah,

563
00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:17.440
the potato guy. Yes, William Howkins.

564
00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:21.759
I did not recognize him at all, even for a second.

565
00:33:22.359 --> 00:33:23.759
I don't know what it is about this Like we,

566
00:33:24.319 --> 00:33:26.640
I think film nerds especially like we just we love

567
00:33:26.720 --> 00:33:27.039
this guy.

568
00:33:27.799 --> 00:33:31.160
You know, he's like our generations John Ratzenberger being in

569
00:33:31.240 --> 00:33:32.319
all the Pixar movies.

570
00:33:32.599 --> 00:33:34.519
Yeah, he just shows that he's like he's in all

571
00:33:34.559 --> 00:33:38.920
the cool you know universes, yes, and always like kind

572
00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:39.599
of a cool guy.

573
00:33:40.279 --> 00:33:46.759
Hoots Yep, that's awesome, all right, and then for like

574
00:33:47.440 --> 00:33:53.160
one last kind of cast uh appearance, like well miss

575
00:33:53.359 --> 00:33:56.279
not appearing in this film. But we have to give

576
00:33:56.359 --> 00:34:01.039
credit to Twila Tharp because she took dancers that could

577
00:34:01.240 --> 00:34:05.960
not be more different, like Gregory Hines is a foot

578
00:34:05.960 --> 00:34:10.119
and a half taller than Borshnakoff, and their styles are

579
00:34:10.480 --> 00:34:14.719
just there's absolutely nothing about them that's alike. And she

580
00:34:14.920 --> 00:34:17.519
was able to take these two and take their improvisations

581
00:34:17.960 --> 00:34:21.079
and marry it into one great thing. I am. I've

582
00:34:21.119 --> 00:34:26.000
always loved her choreography, but I'm completely blown away by

583
00:34:26.039 --> 00:34:27.159
what she did with this movie.

584
00:34:27.679 --> 00:34:30.800
I really enjoyed the scene of them dancing side by

585
00:34:30.920 --> 00:34:34.360
side when they were make make their decide when they were.

586
00:34:34.280 --> 00:34:37.119
Gonna make their move. I really enjoyed, enjoyed that scene.

587
00:34:37.519 --> 00:34:39.960
And but we're gonna talk about that scene, right, Oh yeah,

588
00:34:40.519 --> 00:34:42.639
all right, and I'll just I'll just be quiet. Then

589
00:34:43.480 --> 00:34:45.239
I'll wait build to that.

590
00:34:46.239 --> 00:34:49.360
Let's talk a little bit about production first. I have

591
00:34:50.119 --> 00:34:54.000
the best story. I love this story so much. So

592
00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:57.840
it's the height of the Cold War. Taylor Hackford cannot

593
00:34:58.400 --> 00:35:03.239
take a film crew to Lennon. So he's got stand

594
00:35:03.280 --> 00:35:07.639
in locations at like Scotland stands in for Siberia, Helsinki

595
00:35:07.760 --> 00:35:11.639
stands in for Leningrad for some of the shots where

596
00:35:11.639 --> 00:35:13.519
they're going in and out of buildings and stuff like that.

597
00:35:14.519 --> 00:35:18.920
And then he wanted to have actual footage though of

598
00:35:19.119 --> 00:35:23.679
Leningrad for establishing shots and like when they're in the

599
00:35:23.800 --> 00:35:27.360
car and stuff like that. So he hires a Finnish

600
00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:31.480
travel company and gets permission for them to film a

601
00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:37.800
travelog in Leningrad in a Chika limo, and he sends

602
00:35:37.880 --> 00:35:41.760
him to Russia and Bresto cost telling him we're never

603
00:35:41.880 --> 00:35:44.960
going to see them again. They're not going to get

604
00:35:44.960 --> 00:35:48.480
any footage. They're probably going to get arrested. And this

605
00:35:48.639 --> 00:35:52.960
was a bad idea. They lose all contact with the crew.

606
00:35:53.360 --> 00:35:56.320
They have no idea what's going on. And so they're

607
00:35:56.360 --> 00:35:59.360
still shooting in Helsinki and the next thing, you know,

608
00:35:59.599 --> 00:36:02.440
two weeks later, the cruise sho shows up and they

609
00:36:02.519 --> 00:36:05.159
have all the footage Hackford asked for.

610
00:36:07.079 --> 00:36:10.280
That's incredible because this is I mean, I have to

611
00:36:10.760 --> 00:36:13.440
believe that they're shooting in like late eighty four or

612
00:36:13.519 --> 00:36:17.400
late eighty five mm hmm. They go in, they with

613
00:36:17.599 --> 00:36:21.360
cameras and they and they still come out. That's that's

614
00:36:21.480 --> 00:36:21.920
that's something.

615
00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:24.880
And they're like, oh, we're just showing people if they

616
00:36:24.960 --> 00:36:30.679
want a vacation in sunny Leningrad. You said, here's where

617
00:36:30.679 --> 00:36:35.320
the Lenin statue is, and like the Russians totally bought it,

618
00:36:35.559 --> 00:36:37.639
and it all made it into the movie. And Hackford

619
00:36:37.800 --> 00:36:41.239
is like so proud of this, like he talks about

620
00:36:41.320 --> 00:36:44.280
almost nothing else on this commentary, and he is so

621
00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:50.400
pissed to this day because there were critics that were like, oh, whatever,

622
00:36:50.639 --> 00:36:55.159
he just filmed in Helsinki, like it's not even real Russia.

623
00:36:55.400 --> 00:36:57.440
And he's like, damn it, it is though.

624
00:36:58.360 --> 00:37:00.719
Oh, but back then he can't say that, right because

625
00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:05.880
you get these Yah, I didn't know how pissed Taylor.

626
00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:12.840
Yeah that's not real Russia. Yeah, it actually really is.

627
00:37:13.039 --> 00:37:15.159
And then the part that like kind of hurt my

628
00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:18.320
heart a little was they brought the footage back and

629
00:37:19.159 --> 00:37:23.679
he showed it to Berushnakov, who had not been home

630
00:37:24.119 --> 00:37:26.119
in like ten years at this point, and he said

631
00:37:26.159 --> 00:37:29.239
he just sat there for like four hours just watching

632
00:37:29.400 --> 00:37:33.360
this footage of of them like traveling around where he

633
00:37:33.480 --> 00:37:37.119
used to live, and like that was my street, that's

634
00:37:37.239 --> 00:37:38.480
the building my apartment was in.

635
00:37:38.960 --> 00:37:41.159
That had to be a heartbreaker. I guess I can't

636
00:37:41.199 --> 00:37:41.599
understand that.

637
00:37:42.039 --> 00:37:46.159
Yeah, for sure. We mentioned that this film won an

638
00:37:46.199 --> 00:37:49.280
OSCAR for Best Original Song for Say You Say Me

639
00:37:49.400 --> 00:37:53.960
by Lionel Richie. It's really this movie is really it's

640
00:37:53.960 --> 00:37:56.400
all about the dance sequences and the soundtrack. It really

641
00:37:56.519 --> 00:38:00.599
wasn't much known for, you know, didn't get the acting

642
00:38:00.679 --> 00:38:04.800
nods or anything like that. I can, but can we

643
00:38:04.840 --> 00:38:07.280
talk about I have to say, hang on, say You

644
00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:09.760
Say Me is not my favorite song from this soundtrack.

645
00:38:09.800 --> 00:38:11.480
Of course, of course it's not. Can we can we

646
00:38:11.480 --> 00:38:12.719
talk about the soundtrack for a minute?

647
00:38:13.079 --> 00:38:16.199
Are I have some opinions on are we team Chi

648
00:38:16.559 --> 00:38:19.039
or are we Team Phil Collins? Those are the two

649
00:38:19.119 --> 00:38:19.760
theme songs.

650
00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:23.079
We're Team Collins all the way baby, Thank God?

651
00:38:24.159 --> 00:38:27.800
Oh about that? So I love the Phil Collins song.

652
00:38:28.079 --> 00:38:30.800
But when I was watching the movie and they played that,

653
00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:33.719
I was like, I thought this was a song about

654
00:38:33.760 --> 00:38:38.440
a couple or someone who had an affair, and they're well, yeah,

655
00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:40.960
they're breaking, you know, breaking apart, and I get that

656
00:38:41.039 --> 00:38:43.920
they were part of the Princes was trying to give

657
00:38:43.960 --> 00:38:45.719
the illusion that that's what was going on, but it.

658
00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:49.159
Just still did not seem to fit.

659
00:38:49.599 --> 00:38:51.440
And even when I looked, you know, online, you know

660
00:38:51.559 --> 00:38:54.159
about that, it was listed as like the love theme

661
00:38:54.360 --> 00:38:56.440
of White Knights, So.

662
00:38:56.800 --> 00:39:00.280
I just is it though I don't know, I felt

663
00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:04.440
like it was more Helen Maren and Mikhail Bershnakov's song.

664
00:39:04.559 --> 00:39:06.960
Okay, that makes sense because it seemed like they were

665
00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:11.000
playing that in the scenes with Ray and his wife

666
00:39:11.119 --> 00:39:14.639
and that It just was very disconnected in my brain.

667
00:39:14.719 --> 00:39:16.840
But now that you say that, yes, that but I

668
00:39:16.920 --> 00:39:21.000
think so I'm gonna say it worked. It works in

669
00:39:21.079 --> 00:39:26.039
two ways, because it definitely is is uh you know,

670
00:39:26.760 --> 00:39:29.079
it's it's what what Angela, what you were just talking about,

671
00:39:29.159 --> 00:39:32.639
like with them having separate lives, you know, because he

672
00:39:32.719 --> 00:39:35.800
you know, he makes the ultimate sacrifice. But I also

673
00:39:35.920 --> 00:39:39.159
kind of feel it's It's also for uh, Mikhail and

674
00:39:39.280 --> 00:39:42.880
Helen because their set, like they had there they were

675
00:39:42.920 --> 00:39:45.320
in love and they had to separate and you know

676
00:39:45.320 --> 00:39:45.880
they didn't want.

677
00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:47.639
To, but he just straight up left or like they

678
00:39:47.679 --> 00:39:48.599
were in London.

679
00:39:48.320 --> 00:39:51.840
On tour and yeah, okay, but still, I mean, I

680
00:39:52.039 --> 00:39:53.880
feel like it works. It's the love theme, but it

681
00:39:53.920 --> 00:39:57.840
works for both couples, and you know, to your point,

682
00:39:58.840 --> 00:40:02.159
it's nominated for the academ Award, loses to the line

683
00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:04.559
Richie song, which was not even allowed to be on

684
00:40:04.599 --> 00:40:08.159
the soundtrack originally because Richie's people were like, yeah, we

685
00:40:08.239 --> 00:40:12.760
don't he's just coming back. We don't want his first

686
00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:15.960
big hit to be not with our label. But can

687
00:40:16.000 --> 00:40:18.960
I do something real quick for our buddy Jason Colvin

688
00:40:19.480 --> 00:40:25.559
Because this song Separate Lives. It ends up the number

689
00:40:25.599 --> 00:40:28.400
one hits, the number one spot on the Billboard Top

690
00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:30.199
one hundred and if you listen to the show You

691
00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:32.679
Can't Be Serious podcast, you know, Jason always loves to

692
00:40:33.360 --> 00:40:34.880
say can I give you? Can I give you what

693
00:40:34.960 --> 00:40:37.039
was the top ten that that week? And be He's

694
00:40:37.039 --> 00:40:40.360
always like lay it on me. So Jason, I know

695
00:40:40.440 --> 00:40:44.639
you're listening The week that Separate Lives by Phil Collins

696
00:40:44.719 --> 00:40:48.199
and Marilyn Martin hit number one. Here was the top

697
00:40:48.280 --> 00:40:52.920
ten leading up to it, Number ten Sleeping Bag by

698
00:40:53.039 --> 00:40:56.880
zz top number nine, Party All the Time by Eddie

699
00:40:56.920 --> 00:40:59.039
Murphy and that song's a jam.

700
00:40:59.360 --> 00:41:00.320
I love that song.

701
00:41:01.039 --> 00:41:04.880
You gotta love that song. At number eight, Election Day

702
00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:08.280
by Arcadia Crickets. I don't I don't know that one.

703
00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:13.679
At number seven, Who's Zoom and Who by Aretha Franklin.

704
00:41:14.239 --> 00:41:14.840
That's a good one.

705
00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:17.159
It's a good one, but like, what's what's that mean

706
00:41:17.320 --> 00:41:21.159
in nineteen eighty five? Because today it works. You know,

707
00:41:21.280 --> 00:41:25.000
we're all zooming right now. I just don't understand. Then

708
00:41:25.800 --> 00:41:29.360
at number six, Yeah, at number six, Lay Your Hands

709
00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:33.239
on Me by The Thompson Twins. At number five Never

710
00:41:33.679 --> 00:41:34.159
by Heart.

711
00:41:35.280 --> 00:41:38.519
Oh the amount of times I played that song.

712
00:41:41.440 --> 00:41:45.239
And it only gets better ladies, at number four, You

713
00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:49.199
Belong to the City by Glenn Fry, at number three,

714
00:41:49.800 --> 00:41:55.320
Broken Wings by Mister Mister, and number two We Built

715
00:41:55.360 --> 00:41:57.320
This City by Starship.

716
00:41:57.079 --> 00:41:58.440
Oh my God, that freaks.

717
00:41:58.559 --> 00:42:02.559
And then of course a number one of course everyone song,

718
00:42:02.599 --> 00:42:05.800
Separate Lives by Phil Collins's That's for Jason Colvin. That's

719
00:42:05.840 --> 00:42:07.719
a good top ten, Yeah, it's great.

720
00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:11.480
Top ten So speaking of the soundtrack, this is gonna

721
00:42:11.519 --> 00:42:16.280
blow your mind. The scene where they have their first

722
00:42:16.880 --> 00:42:22.000
rehearsal and Misha says, I'm gonna go take a shower

723
00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:24.079
and really sneaking out and trying.

724
00:42:23.920 --> 00:42:25.840
To get them James bonds it. It's awesome.

725
00:42:26.800 --> 00:42:31.400
I actually my brain went to Sylvester Salon sneaking out

726
00:42:31.440 --> 00:42:32.840
of the bathroom and Victory.

727
00:42:33.440 --> 00:42:35.800
But good move. Okay, yeah, I like where your head's at.

728
00:42:37.719 --> 00:42:41.760
But so anyway, so Gregory Hines Raymond is back in

729
00:42:41.840 --> 00:42:45.920
the studio and he's feeling inspired for the first time

730
00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:49.000
in a long time, and he just starts to improvise

731
00:42:49.840 --> 00:42:53.280
and starts to dance in a way that he has

732
00:42:53.440 --> 00:42:56.400
with a freedom that he hasn't in a long time,

733
00:42:57.199 --> 00:43:03.199
and that whole sequence, Gregory Hines improvised the entire thing

734
00:43:04.199 --> 00:43:09.159
to no music. What shut up? Taylor Hackford sends it

735
00:43:09.280 --> 00:43:12.320
to David Foster, sends him the footage and is like,

736
00:43:13.360 --> 00:43:16.480
make me a song, and David Foster did.

737
00:43:17.079 --> 00:43:19.960
Oh wow, that's insane, Like you.

738
00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:28.800
You've ever heard improvising Like that's the heart of tap anyway,

739
00:43:29.239 --> 00:43:34.840
So that's just his genius that you're filming like, it's amazing.

740
00:43:35.239 --> 00:43:38.039
In his head though, right while he's doing those amazing moves.

741
00:43:38.519 --> 00:43:40.920
I don't know, And how do you score?

742
00:43:41.199 --> 00:43:42.960
But how do you reverse.

743
00:43:44.079 --> 00:43:50.119
Yeah and make it? Yeah, that's some wicked reverse engineering there,

744
00:43:50.159 --> 00:43:51.320
that's yeah.

745
00:43:51.440 --> 00:43:57.119
Like my mind was freaking blown. How do we feel

746
00:43:57.159 --> 00:44:01.039
about the way the dance sequences were were filmed? It

747
00:44:01.159 --> 00:44:04.599
was a little bit different than what we usually get.

748
00:44:05.760 --> 00:44:08.840
Hackford didn't want to do a you know, let's put

749
00:44:08.880 --> 00:44:12.480
on a show kind of you know, fifties musical kind

750
00:44:12.559 --> 00:44:16.360
of stop everything and dance kind of park the camera,

751
00:44:16.559 --> 00:44:19.760
and so I liked the movement. I thought it really

752
00:44:20.440 --> 00:44:24.800
especially when Hines was dancing. His dancing's so kinetic that

753
00:44:24.920 --> 00:44:27.000
I felt it really worked really well. I don't know,

754
00:44:27.119 --> 00:44:29.239
what do you guys think? Was it dispacting?

755
00:44:29.960 --> 00:44:31.920
No? Well, Ember, you know, you know, I'm not the

756
00:44:32.880 --> 00:44:38.079
musical guy, right, But my interpretation of it in this movie,

757
00:44:39.079 --> 00:44:43.239
like we get these dance numbers to kind of let

758
00:44:43.320 --> 00:44:46.199
us know how these characters are working out their issues.

759
00:44:46.760 --> 00:44:49.960
I feel like they were using dance like to a mote,

760
00:44:50.800 --> 00:44:52.159
if that makes any sense.

761
00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:55.519
Yeah, it's the old Bob Fosse quote. When you can't

762
00:44:56.079 --> 00:44:58.199
you feel so much, you can't speak, you sing, and

763
00:44:58.320 --> 00:45:01.199
when you feel so much you can't saying you dance?

764
00:45:03.119 --> 00:45:06.159
Yeah, I feel like it was just they were working

765
00:45:06.199 --> 00:45:10.400
out their frustrations, but they use dance to to get there.

766
00:45:10.719 --> 00:45:13.599
Because even when they're at at at each other's throats,

767
00:45:14.440 --> 00:45:18.320
it's it's it's fighting, but it's dance fighting.

768
00:45:18.840 --> 00:45:19.239
Mm hmm.

769
00:45:19.880 --> 00:45:21.960
It's like Michael Jackson's beat it with the gangs.

770
00:45:22.440 --> 00:45:22.599
You know.

771
00:45:24.519 --> 00:45:24.840
I don't know.

772
00:45:24.920 --> 00:45:25.519
I liked it.

773
00:45:25.639 --> 00:45:35.000
It was immediately pictured the star Lord, what are you doing?

774
00:45:36.159 --> 00:45:39.079
It's it's Zoolander. They're break dance fighting. Yeah, I just

775
00:45:39.320 --> 00:45:40.280
I loved it.

776
00:45:42.920 --> 00:45:46.199
Angela, what did you think? Was it distracting or did

777
00:45:46.239 --> 00:45:46.599
you like it?

778
00:45:46.880 --> 00:45:46.920
No?

779
00:45:47.159 --> 00:45:49.679
I liked it because especially with that kind of movement,

780
00:45:49.760 --> 00:45:53.039
it kind of sweeps you away along with that.

781
00:45:53.920 --> 00:45:57.280
So yeah, I I wouldn't have liked that whole static

782
00:45:57.360 --> 00:45:58.440
and just seeing him just thing.

783
00:45:58.599 --> 00:46:01.039
But I I really well things you don't think of.

784
00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:07.719
I didn't realize until listening to the commentary. For the

785
00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:10.280
scenes in the studio, you know, onehole wall is a

786
00:46:10.320 --> 00:46:13.360
mirror and you don't want the camera to show, so

787
00:46:13.480 --> 00:46:16.280
they had to do all of this complicated tilting of

788
00:46:16.360 --> 00:46:22.079
the mirrors, and Hackford was talking about how it was

789
00:46:22.239 --> 00:46:27.159
great working with borishnakoffin Hinz because as dancers, they're used

790
00:46:27.199 --> 00:46:31.320
to repetition and do it again and do it again

791
00:46:31.480 --> 00:46:35.840
and do it again, and it was a challenge for

792
00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:40.719
the lighting crew and the cinematographer, you know, to have

793
00:46:40.880 --> 00:46:43.880
to constantly keep resetting and doing it again to make

794
00:46:43.920 --> 00:46:47.599
sure that you know, they got the most perfect version

795
00:46:47.719 --> 00:46:51.079
that they could get. That kind of complexity. I just

796
00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:54.239
it's something you don't think about when you're watching, but

797
00:46:55.360 --> 00:47:00.719
definitely appreciate it on like the next go around. All right, Jeff,

798
00:47:00.800 --> 00:47:06.159
we're here noteworthy scenes where he talked about the eleven pirouettes.

799
00:47:06.199 --> 00:47:09.920
I mean that, like, I'm sorry, I could watch him

800
00:47:09.960 --> 00:47:12.559
do that all goddamn day, like we mentioned it.

801
00:47:13.000 --> 00:47:16.639
But I just love the idea that this is a scene,

802
00:47:16.679 --> 00:47:18.320
This is the moment where they're sizing each other up

803
00:47:18.840 --> 00:47:23.800
and they're using a simple wager, and Mikael's obviously hustling

804
00:47:24.079 --> 00:47:30.280
Gregory Hines because at like at seven rink, Yeah, he's like,

805
00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:32.920
he's like, it's seven. That's it's being difficult. It's no

806
00:47:33.039 --> 00:47:35.199
skating rink. He's like, well, I got I got ten rubles,

807
00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:40.079
eleven rubles. He's like, eleven rubles eleven Piirwetts and then

808
00:47:40.119 --> 00:47:43.440
he just does it flawlessly. I was like, man, he

809
00:47:43.519 --> 00:47:44.360
got played, like.

810
00:47:44.760 --> 00:47:48.960
I love the look. That's all of our lucks, Like

811
00:47:49.079 --> 00:47:51.599
we were all just like what did I just see

812
00:47:52.599 --> 00:47:53.039
in the movie.

813
00:47:53.039 --> 00:47:54.440
And I'm like, I know he's gonna do it.

814
00:47:55.840 --> 00:47:58.000
I'm watching because I'm like, he's gonna do it. But

815
00:47:58.159 --> 00:48:01.840
I I had to. I folk on his head and

816
00:48:01.920 --> 00:48:04.199
that's how I counted because he's like, you keep counting, Greg.

817
00:48:04.199 --> 00:48:06.679
Your head's like, oh, I'll keep count But it's so fast.

818
00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:09.880
He's like his body's like a blur and if you're

819
00:48:09.920 --> 00:48:13.519
not focused on his face, it's you're not gonna catch it.

820
00:48:13.519 --> 00:48:14.800
You're not gonna catch all eleven of them.

821
00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:18.119
And you can if you've watched a lot of dancers

822
00:48:18.960 --> 00:48:20.719
and they are like, okay, I'm gonna do as many

823
00:48:20.760 --> 00:48:23.440
as I can do, you know, and they're challenging each

824
00:48:23.480 --> 00:48:26.119
other or whatever. You can watch them kind of muscle

825
00:48:26.360 --> 00:48:30.280
or the last couple and it's you know, Okay, it

826
00:48:30.400 --> 00:48:31.920
counts because you went all the way around, but it

827
00:48:32.039 --> 00:48:32.519
wasn't Prey.

828
00:48:32.559 --> 00:48:35.440
Well, he's slowing down, yeah, but like slowing down.

829
00:48:35.320 --> 00:48:38.960
But Jesus, they're still beautiful, like they're still perfect. It's

830
00:48:39.039 --> 00:48:42.039
no like he wasn't breaking. He didn't break a sweat,

831
00:48:42.199 --> 00:48:49.039
like even a little. It's any scenes that you feel

832
00:48:49.119 --> 00:48:52.920
or noteworthy that don't have dance in them.

833
00:48:53.639 --> 00:48:55.519
Yes, I liked the.

834
00:48:57.360 --> 00:49:03.559
Scene with Helen Mirren Mikail, but she's blaring that music.

835
00:49:04.519 --> 00:49:08.159
And even though I don't understand what they're saying, Mikail

836
00:49:08.280 --> 00:49:11.760
does bring up you're blaring this music that's basically about

837
00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:14.800
you know, freedom or you know kind of you know,

838
00:49:15.239 --> 00:49:17.880
a this isn't right kind of a thing.

839
00:49:18.000 --> 00:49:20.480
As an actor, it's a it's a protest poet. It's

840
00:49:20.519 --> 00:49:21.400
a Russian poet.

841
00:49:21.559 --> 00:49:25.159
Yeah, and but yet you know, she doesn't want to

842
00:49:25.679 --> 00:49:26.639
leave and she's there.

843
00:49:26.719 --> 00:49:28.840
She really wants to make you know that that dance

844
00:49:28.920 --> 00:49:33.000
you know, happen and just you know when they get

845
00:49:33.039 --> 00:49:36.119
into that and she starts crying and you know, like

846
00:49:36.639 --> 00:49:39.199
I mean, she's a wonderful, wonderful actress, but I think

847
00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:42.519
definitely her in that role, she was definitely the of

848
00:49:43.519 --> 00:49:46.320
you know, the top acting for you know, not.

849
00:49:46.440 --> 00:49:48.679
Dogging on Isabella. I'm not trying to you know, dog

850
00:49:48.760 --> 00:49:51.199
in her, but but that alone, I really.

851
00:49:53.079 --> 00:49:54.159
She just has that ability.

852
00:49:54.199 --> 00:49:57.440
It was okay, you know, she makes you like lean

853
00:49:58.039 --> 00:50:01.760
when she comes when she was in there, and that, like,

854
00:50:01.880 --> 00:50:05.360
that was the one scene where I really felt connected

855
00:50:05.480 --> 00:50:09.480
to the character a little bit more because I you know,

856
00:50:09.559 --> 00:50:12.000
it was very believable and she was just you know,

857
00:50:12.199 --> 00:50:17.360
I communicated well, you know with that. So I really

858
00:50:17.599 --> 00:50:19.519
liked that back and forth and then with you know,

859
00:50:19.599 --> 00:50:20.320
why he had things.

860
00:50:20.360 --> 00:50:21.639
I really liked that scene.

861
00:50:22.480 --> 00:50:24.880
Yeah, that was only a very powerful moment.

862
00:50:25.920 --> 00:50:30.599
I don't expect an intense action scene in a movie

863
00:50:30.760 --> 00:50:35.480
like this, but there they're planned to escape at the

864
00:50:35.639 --> 00:50:41.159
end when he does this death defying jump from the

865
00:50:41.880 --> 00:50:46.800
the window to like the the exposed iron strut that's

866
00:50:46.880 --> 00:50:50.239
like six feet out. But because he's a dancer, it's

867
00:50:50.559 --> 00:50:52.880
like he's just part of it's perfect movements, and he's

868
00:50:52.920 --> 00:50:56.480
got the rope that they've they've fashioned that whole scene,

869
00:50:56.960 --> 00:51:00.599
I'm I'm like gripping the arm rest because I know

870
00:51:01.039 --> 00:51:03.800
he's gonna make it, because he's Bryshnikov.

871
00:51:04.000 --> 00:51:05.960
He's our hero, Like, come on, he's the hero.

872
00:51:06.840 --> 00:51:08.800
But then when you know, and again first time watch,

873
00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:13.320
so when they fashion this hook rope seat for Isabelle's

874
00:51:13.800 --> 00:51:17.280
Rosalini and she gets stuck halfway, I'm now I'm seeing

875
00:51:17.280 --> 00:51:19.639
Cliffhanger with stallone and I'm like, oh, she's gonna splatter

876
00:51:21.559 --> 00:51:24.599
and it'll break our hearts because she's pregnant. But but

877
00:51:24.679 --> 00:51:30.559
then she survives, and I'm like, okay, well, I just thought, okay,

878
00:51:30.599 --> 00:51:36.079
well naturally, now we're gonna see some cool swing across,

879
00:51:36.280 --> 00:51:38.800
like the rope will break and Gregor Heinzel swing across

880
00:51:39.559 --> 00:51:42.599
pitfall Harry style and then they make their escape and

881
00:51:42.639 --> 00:51:46.039
then then he he knows that the KGB's coming and

882
00:51:46.159 --> 00:51:49.039
so he has to give himself up and it's a

883
00:51:49.159 --> 00:51:50.840
it's a heartbreaker of ra moment because then he throws

884
00:51:51.119 --> 00:51:54.280
the rope and he you know, mouths the words I

885
00:51:54.320 --> 00:51:57.800
love you to uh to Isabella, and I'm like, I

886
00:51:57.920 --> 00:52:01.679
didn't see that coming. I okay, sure. I love that

887
00:52:01.760 --> 00:52:05.400
scene though, And there's no dancing in it, No, there's not.

888
00:52:05.599 --> 00:52:06.559
There's acrobatics.

889
00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:10.480
Yes, when he was jumping on those truts, I was like,

890
00:52:10.519 --> 00:52:12.400
are they gonna make this pregnant woman.

891
00:52:12.199 --> 00:52:12.960
Do the same thing?

892
00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:17.639
And it gets over. I'm like, okay, now.

893
00:52:17.880 --> 00:52:23.599
Okay, Angela, I was with you, like, there's no if

894
00:52:23.719 --> 00:52:27.599
she jumps and hits even one strut, I'm I'm calling bullshit,

895
00:52:27.639 --> 00:52:29.639
I'm turning off. There's no way she could do it.

896
00:52:30.679 --> 00:52:32.800
But I liked that they had a way to make

897
00:52:32.880 --> 00:52:34.039
it work well.

898
00:52:34.039 --> 00:52:38.679
And I liked that it was just enough like sneaking

899
00:52:38.719 --> 00:52:43.239
out of your parents' house Keystone Cops, kind of like

900
00:52:43.559 --> 00:52:47.199
ridiculousness that only the truly despot or to even try.

901
00:52:49.199 --> 00:52:52.800
And it was honestly blind lock that it worked.

902
00:52:53.159 --> 00:52:59.599
Yeah, it shouldn't have worked, but it was believable enough. Honestly, yes,

903
00:53:01.000 --> 00:53:01.280
for me.

904
00:53:01.519 --> 00:53:06.360
The non dancing scene that got me was, I mean,

905
00:53:06.440 --> 00:53:10.800
he does do a couple of steps, but when Koya

906
00:53:11.039 --> 00:53:14.480
is on stage at the Cure off alone after he

907
00:53:14.480 --> 00:53:17.719
says goodbye to Helen Maren and he's just thinking about

908
00:53:18.880 --> 00:53:22.480
everything he gave up and everything he's giving up again,

909
00:53:24.119 --> 00:53:27.639
and he cries like, oh my gosh, like it made

910
00:53:27.679 --> 00:53:31.280
my tummy hurt. I was like, oh, this is gut wrenching.

911
00:53:31.480 --> 00:53:32.280
It's so sad.

912
00:53:33.400 --> 00:53:35.599
But before we get to pivotal moment, can we can

913
00:53:35.639 --> 00:53:39.719
we talk? Can we talk one more scene? Yeah, and listen,

914
00:53:39.760 --> 00:53:41.199
I don't want to break your brain because I want

915
00:53:41.199 --> 00:53:44.800
to talk about a dance scene. We got it, can

916
00:53:44.880 --> 00:53:48.480
we I don't think we talked enough about this amazing

917
00:53:48.960 --> 00:53:55.639
opening amber. You know, we got eight minutes of dance

918
00:53:56.519 --> 00:53:58.440
and uh, correct my one.

919
00:53:58.360 --> 00:54:03.360
Of the most brilliant ballets, Le Petito l More.

920
00:54:04.320 --> 00:54:07.039
Glad you said that I had written down the young

921
00:54:07.159 --> 00:54:11.639
Man and Death. Yeah, I had a le June ham

922
00:54:11.880 --> 00:54:12.599
a lot more.

923
00:54:13.039 --> 00:54:14.320
Oh, I'm sorry, Le.

924
00:54:16.920 --> 00:54:19.119
It sounds so much better when you're a small man.

925
00:54:19.280 --> 00:54:23.280
The young man, Yeah, my young Man and Death.

926
00:54:24.000 --> 00:54:26.159
Yeah, I can't. I can't do choreograph.

927
00:54:26.239 --> 00:54:30.119
My role on Petit who is was just a genius.

928
00:54:31.079 --> 00:54:35.920
I gotta say, uh, if if you're if you're a guy,

929
00:54:36.360 --> 00:54:38.440
you're a guy's guy who's like, I'm not watching a

930
00:54:38.519 --> 00:54:42.639
movie about ballet dancers and whatever. You gotta watch this

931
00:54:42.800 --> 00:54:45.159
eight minutes and it will change your mind. It will

932
00:54:45.960 --> 00:54:51.119
make you appreciate the beauty of this particular type of dance.

933
00:54:51.599 --> 00:54:53.440
I just I was all in after that. After that,

934
00:54:53.599 --> 00:54:56.239
after that performance, I was like, I really don't care

935
00:54:56.239 --> 00:54:58.159
if the movie sucks at this point. I'm glad I

936
00:54:58.239 --> 00:55:00.440
watched it. And the movie doesn't suck, by the way,

937
00:55:00.519 --> 00:55:03.239
But that scene, that opening scene, because we go from

938
00:55:03.280 --> 00:55:06.159
that and we segue right into an epic plane crash

939
00:55:06.320 --> 00:55:08.000
that you kind of highlighted earlier at the top of

940
00:55:08.039 --> 00:55:13.559
the hour, I'm like, what's next, Helen Marrin's next? We

941
00:55:13.760 --> 00:55:16.199
just keep going from action scene to action scene. Man,

942
00:55:16.880 --> 00:55:19.280
better and better, You're just getting better and better.

943
00:55:19.360 --> 00:55:19.519
Yeah.

944
00:55:20.960 --> 00:55:21.119
Yeah.

945
00:55:21.239 --> 00:55:26.960
The the athleticism necessary to perform this ballet is just

946
00:55:28.000 --> 00:55:31.280
out of this world. And that's the whole point. This

947
00:55:31.440 --> 00:55:36.760
is why Borisharakoff himself defected was and this is why

948
00:55:36.840 --> 00:55:41.679
Kola defected in the movie. Because they weren't allowed to travel,

949
00:55:41.719 --> 00:55:46.199
they weren't allowed to do these kind of modern avant garde,

950
00:55:46.880 --> 00:55:51.960
you know, new things. They were stuck doing just you know, classical,

951
00:55:53.119 --> 00:55:57.239
very strict. Yeah, Swan Lake, then at Cracker you know.

952
00:55:58.800 --> 00:56:02.320
Ember, can I can I ask this because I'm going

953
00:56:02.360 --> 00:56:06.960
to assume that you are familiar with that that ballet.

954
00:56:07.480 --> 00:56:11.280
M So I'm watching it and I'm going to assume

955
00:56:11.360 --> 00:56:13.719
that it's not about a guy who's fighting with his

956
00:56:13.800 --> 00:56:17.119
girlfriend or lover or whatever. I feel like the female

957
00:56:17.199 --> 00:56:21.079
character in that moment is his subconscious like he's he's

958
00:56:21.119 --> 00:56:25.639
fighting in his mind. That mean min is something there

959
00:56:25.760 --> 00:56:27.880
or yeah, you kind.

960
00:56:27.760 --> 00:56:30.119
Of got it, like she is he is.

961
00:56:31.320 --> 00:56:34.119
It's about a man who is driven to suicide by

962
00:56:34.480 --> 00:56:39.239
his faithless lover, and so the woman kind of represents that,

963
00:56:39.360 --> 00:56:43.000
but she really is death, and that's really she is.

964
00:56:43.480 --> 00:56:44.760
Death is seducing him.

965
00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:47.119
Yeah I thought I thought like it was. It's not

966
00:56:47.239 --> 00:56:53.599
an actual female, it's the female forum represented by you know,

967
00:56:54.400 --> 00:56:56.880
Death and his subconscious telling him like, this is your way,

968
00:56:56.960 --> 00:57:00.320
this is the only way. Yes, yes, I've got I've

969
00:57:00.360 --> 00:57:05.400
got culture. I got it. I'm very sul.

970
00:57:08.679 --> 00:57:11.159
We're on a roll. We've done the Shakespeare. Now we're

971
00:57:11.199 --> 00:57:12.039
doing dance.

972
00:57:12.320 --> 00:57:14.679
Like I'm talking Ballet and Conan the Destroyer.

973
00:57:17.440 --> 00:57:18.880
The multitudes people like.

974
00:57:20.400 --> 00:57:25.840
Not that's right, all right, Well, the pivotal moment.

975
00:57:26.199 --> 00:57:28.159
We all know what it is. You wait the whole

976
00:57:28.239 --> 00:57:31.639
movie for it, for these two guys to finally dance together.

977
00:57:32.920 --> 00:57:37.280
I wanted it to last forever. I never wanted it

978
00:57:37.360 --> 00:57:37.719
to end.

979
00:57:38.679 --> 00:57:42.559
It's I mean, they're running and it's ballet, and it's

980
00:57:42.639 --> 00:57:46.800
tap dancing, and it's break dance fighting, it's it's everything

981
00:57:47.079 --> 00:57:51.840
wrapped up in this hybrid dance number that just blow

982
00:57:51.880 --> 00:57:57.320
your mind. And they're in sync, like like, oh man, unbelievable.

983
00:57:57.360 --> 00:57:59.559
I love the moment. Yeah, and this was I had

984
00:57:59.599 --> 00:58:01.599
this as at a moment. Actually this was like I

985
00:58:01.679 --> 00:58:04.599
was like, all right now we're all on the same team.

986
00:58:05.239 --> 00:58:06.400
We know what the objective is.

987
00:58:07.119 --> 00:58:09.719
I loved it, Angela, how did you feel?

988
00:58:10.639 --> 00:58:11.800
I really enjoyed it.

989
00:58:11.920 --> 00:58:15.800
And I like that, you know, at least even though

990
00:58:15.840 --> 00:58:19.360
the dance and the type is different from one another,

991
00:58:19.480 --> 00:58:22.280
that it still was the thing that brought them. You know,

992
00:58:22.639 --> 00:58:24.800
that was the thing that made him feel alive. That's

993
00:58:24.960 --> 00:58:29.960
connected and sacrifice, that one constant, that's who they are.

994
00:58:30.559 --> 00:58:33.320
You know, how can that not be worth the you know,

995
00:58:33.480 --> 00:58:36.280
trying to get I think that was one up here

996
00:58:36.360 --> 00:58:38.840
for different reasons, different circumstances, things like that.

997
00:58:39.199 --> 00:58:42.039
But what is worth that risk and anyone?

998
00:58:43.800 --> 00:58:47.239
Yeah, I like that. You see them come together, but

999
00:58:47.400 --> 00:58:51.960
there's no like unbelievable moment of like and we're brothers now.

1000
00:58:52.239 --> 00:58:55.519
You know, it's like, okay, there's no animosity, and we

1001
00:58:55.800 --> 00:58:57.639
like each other and we're kind of starting to respect

1002
00:58:57.639 --> 00:58:59.960
each other. But you know, it's believed.

1003
00:59:00.360 --> 00:59:01.199
That was the main thing.

1004
00:59:01.400 --> 00:59:03.000
Was Like, yes, it didn't have to be like, oh

1005
00:59:03.079 --> 00:59:05.400
my god, you know, we're brothers from another mother or

1006
00:59:05.400 --> 00:59:08.280
anything like that, but I think there was that mutual

1007
00:59:09.119 --> 00:59:14.960
and genuine respect had kind of organically formed at dancing

1008
00:59:15.000 --> 00:59:16.239
alongside one another.

1009
00:59:16.440 --> 00:59:17.159
I'll have your bag.

1010
00:59:17.639 --> 00:59:19.440
Yeah, I thought that was very well done where they

1011
00:59:19.440 --> 00:59:22.000
didn't have to it was just the language of dance.

1012
00:59:22.119 --> 00:59:28.239
So yes, well, all right, friends, we're gonna take one

1013
00:59:28.320 --> 00:59:30.920
last break and then we'll be back to wrap things up.

1014
00:59:32.880 --> 00:59:37.079
All right, you too. If someone was unfamiliar with Taylor Hackford,

1015
00:59:37.960 --> 00:59:39.679
he doesn't have a lot of films to choose from.

1016
00:59:39.800 --> 00:59:43.039
But what three films would you suggest they watch?

1017
00:59:43.599 --> 00:59:45.440
Do you appear with this, like we'll each take a

1018
00:59:45.480 --> 00:59:47.800
spin let it one at a time.

1019
00:59:48.159 --> 00:59:52.239
Yeah, let's do all right, all right, angela, ladies, First,

1020
00:59:52.719 --> 00:59:53.559
what you got for us?

1021
00:59:54.159 --> 00:59:56.599
I didn't realize he was the director of The Devil's Advocate,

1022
00:59:56.719 --> 00:59:59.559
and I really did enjoy that movie, So I would

1023
00:59:59.800 --> 01:00:00.199
make that.

1024
01:00:01.760 --> 01:00:07.440
I freaking hate that we are completely opposite side.

1025
01:00:07.480 --> 01:00:10.000
I'm not hey, I'm not saying it's like in my

1026
01:00:10.199 --> 01:00:12.719
top twenty fifty.

1027
01:00:12.960 --> 01:00:16.440
Don't defend your choice. It's fine, like we don't like everything,

1028
01:00:16.719 --> 01:00:19.719
but a list of what I've seen.

1029
01:00:19.760 --> 01:00:23.679
That Yeah, wait, why are you hating a movie with

1030
01:00:24.239 --> 01:00:29.800
Charlie's Throne and Keanu Reeves and uh, you know an.

1031
01:00:30.079 --> 01:00:31.719
That's a discussion for another time.

1032
01:00:32.679 --> 01:00:37.320
I will refer that one above against all odds every time,

1033
01:00:37.559 --> 01:00:43.199
whoa oh, I know what Jeff's was. Yeah, all right,

1034
01:00:43.519 --> 01:00:45.840
we can have a little side banter for the Patreon

1035
01:00:45.920 --> 01:00:46.639
subscribers and.

1036
01:00:47.400 --> 01:00:50.039
Yeah, we'll fight this out over on the Patreon.

1037
01:00:50.360 --> 01:00:53.800
All right, what's your number two? I'd say Officer and

1038
01:00:53.880 --> 01:00:56.599
a Gentleman. That's a good classic. You know you got

1039
01:00:56.920 --> 01:01:04.480
Richard gear and uh uh I almost said Wagner With

1040
01:01:04.599 --> 01:01:06.480
this limited options, I kind of didn't.

1041
01:01:06.519 --> 01:01:12.000
Really, I'm dying because I'm gonna go ahead and jump

1042
01:01:12.039 --> 01:01:14.320
in like you're kind of like, well, it was fine.

1043
01:01:14.920 --> 01:01:17.760
I love this movie so much, like I think this

1044
01:01:17.960 --> 01:01:22.760
is Hackford's best movie. I just adore it. And I

1045
01:01:22.960 --> 01:01:27.639
love the story that when they filmed the ending, both

1046
01:01:27.719 --> 01:01:31.280
Hackford and Richard Gere were like, I don't know, it's

1047
01:01:31.360 --> 01:01:34.760
kind of schmaltzy. And then they did a rehearsal and

1048
01:01:35.199 --> 01:01:38.360
everybody in the factory was like cheering and crying and

1049
01:01:38.480 --> 01:01:41.599
like losing their freaking minds, and they're like, well, so

1050
01:01:41.639 --> 01:01:43.239
I guess we're keeping it, And.

1051
01:01:46.440 --> 01:01:48.880
Why if you don't know anything else?

1052
01:01:49.000 --> 01:01:49.880
You know that scene?

1053
01:01:50.360 --> 01:01:54.360
Yes, like that is a very yeah memorable and uh yes,

1054
01:01:56.800 --> 01:02:03.800
against all odds, no, we can't no, I'm just doing now.

1055
01:02:03.920 --> 01:02:08.000
She's just now you're just doing it. You remember back

1056
01:02:08.039 --> 01:02:12.119
in season one, season one of The Simpsons, Homer and

1057
01:02:12.239 --> 01:02:14.880
mar a officer gentleman moment.

1058
01:02:15.079 --> 01:02:18.400
So yes, all right, so I stepped on your on

1059
01:02:18.480 --> 01:02:21.519
your list, what's your number three? I probably would go

1060
01:02:21.679 --> 01:02:25.800
with the Ray You're so unenthusiastic.

1061
01:02:25.960 --> 01:02:28.159
I felt like I was.

1062
01:02:30.199 --> 01:02:32.960
Out of this list, like, yeah, I mean, isn't even

1063
01:02:33.039 --> 01:02:35.000
like being really, I mean, at least you know, offerer

1064
01:02:35.039 --> 01:02:37.280
and gentlemen. That's a classic. You got a classic scene.

1065
01:02:37.320 --> 01:02:40.760
We got a fantastic song up where we belong, you know,

1066
01:02:41.960 --> 01:02:43.440
with that which actually fit.

1067
01:02:45.960 --> 01:02:49.360
So, I know, I kind of struggled with my three.

1068
01:02:49.880 --> 01:02:51.320
Just yeah.

1069
01:02:51.400 --> 01:02:53.760
I feel like if this question was, if someone's unfamiliar

1070
01:02:53.800 --> 01:02:58.079
with this director, what three films would you suggest? Skip him?

1071
01:02:59.280 --> 01:03:00.639
Really save yourself?

1072
01:03:00.960 --> 01:03:03.880
He did nothing else you're you're gonna care about? You know?

1073
01:03:05.920 --> 01:03:06.440
Sorry? Guy?

1074
01:03:06.559 --> 01:03:09.719
I mean, if he did like music videos, go watch

1075
01:03:09.760 --> 01:03:14.840
the music videos, all right, Jeff, bring us back.

1076
01:03:18.199 --> 01:03:21.760
I'm with Angela. I'm with Angela for an Officer and

1077
01:03:21.800 --> 01:03:24.599
a Gentleman because it is fantastic. I assume that's on

1078
01:03:24.639 --> 01:03:29.199
all three of our lists for recommendations. Just a sensational film.

1079
01:03:29.719 --> 01:03:34.679
Lou Gossip Jr. At his best in this movie. Also,

1080
01:03:35.280 --> 01:03:38.880
I gotta tell you I was pretty happy with Dolores Claiborne.

1081
01:03:39.639 --> 01:03:42.320
You know, I read the book. I felt that's okay,

1082
01:03:42.440 --> 01:03:43.199
so we're two for two.

1083
01:03:43.400 --> 01:03:45.639
I saw that one, so I couldn't have an opinion

1084
01:03:45.719 --> 01:03:46.000
the minute.

1085
01:03:46.000 --> 01:03:49.199
Look Kathy Bates, Like you know everyone, everyone just thinks.

1086
01:03:49.760 --> 01:03:52.440
If you say Stephen King and Kathy Bates, everyone's brain

1087
01:03:52.480 --> 01:03:56.800
immediately goes to misery. Well that was such a well, yeah,

1088
01:03:59.360 --> 01:04:00.920
you know what I'm saying. That's that's all I'm saying.

1089
01:04:01.239 --> 01:04:05.280
So that'd be my second one and at the top

1090
01:04:06.480 --> 01:04:11.559
number one with a bullet. Against all Odds really one

1091
01:04:11.559 --> 01:04:16.639
of the greatest PHILM. Collins songs ever. Bridges, just Jeff

1092
01:04:16.719 --> 01:04:19.519
and all over the movie. I love it, Rachel Ward,

1093
01:04:20.000 --> 01:04:22.719
Smoke Show, James Woods.

1094
01:04:22.599 --> 01:04:27.480
Come on, gross, what are's supposed to be against?

1095
01:04:29.119 --> 01:04:31.199
But he's a different level of girls.

1096
01:04:33.719 --> 01:04:38.199
Like I said, Angela love the song love Jeff Bridges, Angela.

1097
01:04:38.079 --> 01:04:40.679
Take a look at me, now, take a look at

1098
01:04:40.719 --> 01:04:48.119
me now, and rewatch this movie. Angela coming back to

1099
01:04:48.280 --> 01:04:52.920
against the Loads is against the odds, I think, too bad, but.

1100
01:04:52.960 --> 01:04:53.960
You know it's so funny.

1101
01:04:54.079 --> 01:04:58.400
Watch this because I've seen just about all of Jeff

1102
01:04:58.440 --> 01:05:02.000
Bridges is filmography, and but I don't think I ever

1103
01:05:02.239 --> 01:05:04.880
saw one where he did not have a shirt on.

1104
01:05:05.039 --> 01:05:10.079
And I was just like, oh, hello, well, how do

1105
01:05:10.159 --> 01:05:10.400
you do?

1106
01:05:10.920 --> 01:05:11.760
Jeff on the beach?

1107
01:05:13.159 --> 01:05:16.159
I can't believe I'm talking about another ninety eighty four

1108
01:05:16.239 --> 01:05:20.119
movie is doing backflips. At this point, He's like, I

1109
01:05:20.280 --> 01:05:23.400
told you best you ever, best you ever?

1110
01:05:27.800 --> 01:05:31.079
But I just could not What do you got that

1111
01:05:31.239 --> 01:05:36.239
does not contain against all odds? My number one, like

1112
01:05:36.360 --> 01:05:40.159
I said, Officer and a Gentleman is Taylor Hackford's best movie.

1113
01:05:41.159 --> 01:05:46.000
Dolores Claiborne was my next choice. Kathy Bates and Jennifer

1114
01:05:46.079 --> 01:05:51.599
Jason Lee are just amazing, and Christopher Plummer playing a

1115
01:05:51.760 --> 01:05:56.679
straight up just asshole, and David st who's like the

1116
01:05:56.880 --> 01:06:00.880
sweetest guy ever and playing like this abusive husban and like,

1117
01:06:01.320 --> 01:06:04.719
I loved the book and the movie is just as good,

1118
01:06:04.760 --> 01:06:07.719
and that does not happen often. It's it's a very

1119
01:06:07.800 --> 01:06:11.239
overlooked of the Stephen King adaptations. And then my number

1120
01:06:11.320 --> 01:06:16.840
three from two thousand is Proof of Life with Meg

1121
01:06:16.920 --> 01:06:20.239
Ryan and Russell Crowe. This movie kind of got buried

1122
01:06:21.039 --> 01:06:23.840
in the whole gossip because they were having an affair

1123
01:06:23.960 --> 01:06:27.760
and it was a whole shenanigans. But honest to God,

1124
01:06:27.960 --> 01:06:32.679
like it's a good movie. Like it's really intense. So

1125
01:06:32.840 --> 01:06:37.000
I definitely recommend. You know, now that some time has passed, Uh,

1126
01:06:37.719 --> 01:06:38.719
it's worth a revisit.

1127
01:06:39.440 --> 01:06:41.639
Hey, I'm not taking against all odds off my list,

1128
01:06:41.840 --> 01:06:44.480
but if it was, if it was four, then yeah,

1129
01:06:45.280 --> 01:06:47.960
Lewis cheat, he was an Amber Lewis cheat I next

1130
01:06:48.000 --> 01:06:50.559
to each other. Oh yeah. Proof of Life is fantastic,

1131
01:06:50.800 --> 01:06:52.039
absolutely fantastic film.

1132
01:06:52.679 --> 01:06:56.039
All right, So back to White Knights. Do we recommend

1133
01:06:56.719 --> 01:06:57.159
this film?

1134
01:06:57.199 --> 01:06:57.480
You know?

1135
01:06:57.639 --> 01:06:57.880
I do.

1136
01:06:58.840 --> 01:07:03.599
I think it's a must watch, even if it's only

1137
01:07:03.639 --> 01:07:06.159
a one time watch. It's a must watch just for

1138
01:07:07.480 --> 01:07:12.159
the performances. And I'm talking about the dance performances because

1139
01:07:12.480 --> 01:07:15.280
it blew my mind to see what these guys were

1140
01:07:15.360 --> 01:07:18.960
capable of. And I have I mean Amber, you know,

1141
01:07:19.400 --> 01:07:22.679
you know how I talked about ballet on our Black

1142
01:07:22.719 --> 01:07:26.039
Swan episode. I have nothing but respect for these dancers

1143
01:07:26.159 --> 01:07:31.000
and how hard their job is and the pain that

1144
01:07:31.039 --> 01:07:34.360
they put themselves through. And just to see him do this,

1145
01:07:34.679 --> 01:07:37.199
you know several times of the movie. And Gregory Hines

1146
01:07:37.559 --> 01:07:41.400
also not a ballet dancer, but just blowing the doors

1147
01:07:41.440 --> 01:07:45.360
off it, you know, with his performance. You gotta watch

1148
01:07:45.400 --> 01:07:48.920
it just for that and you know, great soundtrack and

1149
01:07:50.440 --> 01:07:51.239
That's where I'm at with it.

1150
01:07:51.960 --> 01:07:55.159
Awesome angela A or Nay, I would agree with Jeff

1151
01:07:55.320 --> 01:07:58.679
that for the dancing and to watch it at least once.

1152
01:07:58.840 --> 01:08:00.599
Is it one of those that I will you know,

1153
01:08:00.760 --> 01:08:08.360
revisit Probably not, uh, but for the dancing, absolutely, just

1154
01:08:08.559 --> 01:08:11.039
you know, the running time, it could have been a

1155
01:08:11.119 --> 01:08:16.640
bit shorter, but yeah, that his movies kind of it

1156
01:08:16.760 --> 01:08:19.119
was a bit I felt like it was probably thirty

1157
01:08:19.439 --> 01:08:23.520
forty minutes too long, but yes, but everything that was

1158
01:08:23.560 --> 01:08:26.439
in between the dance sequences, it was hard. Like I'm like,

1159
01:08:26.479 --> 01:08:28.199
I'm trying to stay investing this because I know something

1160
01:08:28.239 --> 01:08:29.760
else is gonna kind of, you know, kind of happen.

1161
01:08:29.840 --> 01:08:34.279
But it was just a little lukewarm, a little bit

1162
01:08:34.359 --> 01:08:38.399
of a a good story that could have been a

1163
01:08:38.479 --> 01:08:39.319
bit stronger.

1164
01:08:40.119 --> 01:08:43.000
And again, like hell, Maren's character, I mean, in her

1165
01:08:43.159 --> 01:08:47.239
acting skill, I feel like she was kind of maybe

1166
01:08:47.279 --> 01:08:49.600
slightly out of place in this movie just because her

1167
01:08:49.720 --> 01:08:55.159
skill was you know, appear and or underutilized.

1168
01:08:54.399 --> 01:08:59.319
Maybe or yeah, a little more Maren a little less

1169
01:09:00.399 --> 01:09:01.680
maybe a little more little more.

1170
01:09:01.760 --> 01:09:04.159
John Glover like, tell me what the speces you're doing

1171
01:09:04.279 --> 01:09:04.920
to get him out?

1172
01:09:05.199 --> 01:09:07.920
Yeah, give me some more hoo cans, I said, Amber,

1173
01:09:07.960 --> 01:09:09.520
I know you got a physical copy of this, right

1174
01:09:10.199 --> 01:09:10.520
I did.

1175
01:09:10.640 --> 01:09:14.680
I got very affordable. It was ten bucks on Prime

1176
01:09:15.079 --> 01:09:18.079
H for a DVD with all the features, and but

1177
01:09:18.159 --> 01:09:20.159
it's also streaming on two B at the moment, so

1178
01:09:20.319 --> 01:09:22.880
you can head on over there. You got commercials.

1179
01:09:22.920 --> 01:09:26.000
But that's what I want to warn people about. I'm

1180
01:09:26.079 --> 01:09:27.920
just gonna say if you can tell if you're telling

1181
01:09:27.920 --> 01:09:30.600
me I can get a ten dollars DVD shipped next

1182
01:09:30.720 --> 01:09:33.119
next day or whatever, I think that's the way to go.

1183
01:09:33.800 --> 01:09:37.720
Because when I met up better than it is. But

1184
01:09:37.840 --> 01:09:40.520
when I pull this up on TWOB I was happy

1185
01:09:40.600 --> 01:09:42.520
for a second and I saw the runtime is like

1186
01:09:42.560 --> 01:09:44.399
two hours and twenty minutes. I was like, what the hell?

1187
01:09:44.479 --> 01:09:48.800
This is nineteen eighty Yeah, and then yeah, so you know, no,

1188
01:09:49.079 --> 01:09:51.000
I'm not hating on tube, but if if you've got

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a movie that's two hours and twenty minutes and you're

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watching on tub, you better set aside like six hours,

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because every twelve minutes you're getting seven commercial Yes, that's

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the number two.

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I was like, Yeah, yeah, time interjects maybe one, two,

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but like seven.

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I was clean shaven when I hit play.

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You can see there's always a price, Beard, Now, yeah,

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there is a price to be paid.

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You're going you're going to you're in a gulag. If

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you're touching to.

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White Knights for posterity, you're gonna have, you know, a

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DVD forever of two of the greatest guys who ever

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did the thing?

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So an audio commentary, you said, so, I'm a.

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Little behind the scenes documentary, Like it's fun learning about

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White Knights being an actual.

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Thing and uh, we wouldn't even talk about that. Yeah,

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the whole the whole meaning behind it, and.

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You know, even the scenes where they were like, oh,

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it's midnight, but it's super bright out it Actually, when

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I look at it, describe it as it's more like

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twilight because the relation of the city to the Arctic

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Circle those sun never isn't below horizon long enough for

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full darkness, so it kind of stays more of a twilight,

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not a full bright for mom, Wait.

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It's like the opposite for like thirty days a night,

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Like you know, once a year we're in darkness for

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a month. What's a year we're in daylight for a

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month because I know, Yeah.

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There's a town or in Alaska that's currently they like,

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but they won't see the sun.

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Just the other day they were like, we won't see

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it again for a month. Yeah, and then I turned

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on thirty days a night because that's what you did.

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Absolutely all right? Friends? What do you think of White Nights?

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some fun stuff going on over there. What's going on

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Yeah, we just last episode we were talking about this.

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Good, good time. Thank you Jeff, Thank you Angela. It

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was a little bit like hurting cats, but as a

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former elementary school teacher, I was up to the challenge.

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