The Music and Movies of Courtney Gains: Part One

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Dave. What comes to mind when
I say the name Courtney Gaines, one

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of my favorite character actors from the
eighties. That'd be my answer, I

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think, But recently I'm thinking about
Courtney Gains, the musician. Okay,

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yeah, we always we usually find
ourselves talking about a film by one of

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our favorite directors. But today let's
talk about the music of Courtney Gaines.

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His new EP, safe Haven is
available now, and we're going to dive

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in track by track with him right
now. Awesome, Hello everybody, and

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welcome back to a film by a
podcast. I'm Jeff Johnson, I'm David

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Burns. Listeners. Ever since nineteen
eighty four, you can't go near a

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cornfield without feeling terrified because of this
guy. He's appeared in blockbuster films like

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Back to the Future in Memphis Bell, He's taken dramatic turns in films like

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Colors. He broke our hearts and
inspired us in the teen comedy Can't Buy

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Me Love, and his frightfully funny
performance in the Verbs became a cult classic

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character. But nowadays he's entertaining us
with his music. Courtney Gaines, thank

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you for joining us today. What
a lovely introduction. Man, thank you.

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Oh, the pleasure is definitely all
ours ours. Yes, let's get

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into it. Let's get into it. First question, Courtney, when did

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your interest in making music begin?
Was this early on or like before acting?

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Same the same art is studying acting
professionally and taking guitar lessons at thirteen

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years old, so it's kind of
the same. The trajectory is obviously has

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been very different, though. You
know, I knew that I want to

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be a professional actor. That was
clear, and I got I started studying

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a workshop with a guy named Virgil
Fry who was a working actor's daughter,

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solet Moonfry of Punky Brewster. So
I got broken the busy. He beg

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was my manager for about ten years, so I had a bit more of

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a fast track as an actor because
I had better people behind me. But

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I was always playing music. And
the thing for me about music is what

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I like to write. That's really
what the thing that is really a creative

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thing for me. The juice is
really flow is writing. So I've been

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writing for a long time and now
I'm just finally starting to get all this

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material out. Well that's good because
that leads into what you know, I've

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got you know, I doubled script
writing and filmmaking, but clearly nothing the

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caliber of us are nowhere near.
But you know, I'm always interested in

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the creating process because you know,
I find it to be an adventure.

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It can be a struggle sometimes,
as I'm sure you know, but I

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always like to hear what those who
are creating stuff on what their process is

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like. So what goes into creating
your songs? Is it something that you

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know happened to you or what's going
on in the world? What does that

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look like? Great question? First
off, that I explains your like dramatic

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forty five degree angle shot up of
you director this I was wondering about that.

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I was like, this is very
very epic. That's the director of

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me. I'm sorry, Yeah,
I got it. I was like,

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yeah, nice, nice frame there, man. Yeah. So writing music,

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I think it definitely started off is
mainly personal stuff and mainly you know,

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things that I needed to get out
out. It gave me, like

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acting class gave me a creative outlet
to get whatever was inside of me out.

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Music is also that. But as
you as time goes on, you

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start to realize that there's more,
there's more ways to write songs and just

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what's what's coming out of your personal
inner side? You started writing stories and

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this this, this eph safe Haven
is all storytelling, and that's why I

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loved all these songs together and things. I just wanted to call some bs

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on you know. Of course,
so you know, you start taking guitar

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lessons at thirteen. Was there someone
specifically that inspired you or is there someone

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currently inspired you with your today?
I think I'm glad you asked that question.

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I was actually just thinking about that. Get I was thinking people don't

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ask this question, you know,
And it's a good question. I think

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when so cable just started going when
I was when I was a kid,

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like it was. The first thing
was called the Z Channel. I don't

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know if you guys remember. It
was like a cable box that went to

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the TV, had like fifteen buttons
you could push and but but there was

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all this content all of a sudden
available, and I remember the two things.

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I'm not saying this was the influence. I remember Rocky horror picture was

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on all the time, and I
was like, thirteen, what what is

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this? I don't understand. He's
a man, but he's dressed like a

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woman. I don't transsexual, what
is that? But that played a lot,

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but also Woodstock played a lot.
Okay, I remember Woodstock. The

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first time I saw that, it
just blew me away, you know,

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I mean from the jump Richie Haven's
read them for realum, you know,

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just like, what is this happening? This? And now you know I

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was, I was. I lived
on a hill, a hill in Echo

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Park in Los Angeles where it was
still kind of hippie, you know,

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and but that was like, that
was, you know, where the movement

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happened, where the movement exploded.
Obviously it was Woodstock and and just so

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much incredible talent in that in that
on that, on that movie. I

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think that was the first sort of
rock and roll explosion in my head that

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I was like, that's cool.
I want to do that. Dave,

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he mentioned Rocky Horror when we when
we're when we finish up here, remind

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don't let me forget. I've gotta
we got to tell him something about Rocky

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Horror. I already crossed my mind
as, oh my god, Courtney,

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I believe you mentioned there's a connect. There's a Courtney Gains Rocky Horror connection

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that we held. Yeah, I
can't let that go. I'll remember that

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too. That's good getting older,
I might have. So Courtney, let's

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talk about Acoustic Gains Volume one.
Can you can you tell us little bit

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about how this project came about?
Yeah, So, so it came about

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like everybody else and during the pandemic, going like, holy shit, you

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know, who knows how I'm gonna
be around? You know, like what

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matters, what matters to me,
And what came up was music I hadn't

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because I had said, I've been
sitting on a lot of music for a

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lot of years, and I was
like, I really got to start getting

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some of this material out. And
it also gave me time again. We

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all had tom on our hands,
started going down rabbit holes and realizing that

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you can get you know, you
can get a up in your house.

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Now, relative really cheat to track
some stuff, you know. So I

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put together a little little home studio
and I started tracking, which was also

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a great education for myself. And
that's how that that's how that album came

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around. And that album is definitely
a much more personal coup being it's acoustic.

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It's a it's a more personal,
more inner, inner, reflective type

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stuff. But that was so that
was the first project we I kicked out

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and then my previous band, Ripple
Street again through technology they weren't living where

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I'm living. We started track.
We tracked four songs, so we also

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put out during during that time,
including the saw we put out on January

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sixth, called The Great Divide,
talking about how you know they tell you

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you got to choose this, you
gotta choose that, You gotta choose this,

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you gotta choose that. But you
know, divided the conquer you know

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in the United we stand. I
mean, just a simple positive message to

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go like, you know, you
don't have to go here or here.

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You don't have to go all the
way to the left. You don't have

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to go all the way to the
right. You know, most of us

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are right here in the middle.
You know. Yeah, there's one there's

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one track. You know you talk
about your writing process and how some of

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it's personal. U Can we talk
a little bit about there was a time

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because man, the first time I
heard that it had such an emotional impact

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on me, and I would love
to hear a little bit about about that

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song, like what you were thinking, how that song came to be?

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It was a time I met the
little of mon dreams to quit on a

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mountain job. He was a child, a beautiful baby boy. Yeah,

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that song it was was sure you
know I had I had a child and

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got married for uh in ninety two, and that was a that was a

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certainly to me, there's sort of
like life before I had a kid in

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life after I had a kid.
You know, your life is changes your

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home perspective on what you're doing and
why you're doing it. You know.

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At that point, after that acting
and everything was ultimately it was to keep

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a roof over our heads, right. It was, you know, as

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I got to get work because it
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before I was like, well you
know, worst cat, you know I

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can so I sleep myself's couch.
But now you got a kid, he

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used tom couch. You better.
You better keep a roof over your hear

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your father. Now your job is
to provide, you know. So it

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was it was just after having a
child and getting married. That was sort

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of like after that whole eighties run
and everything was sort of when I grew

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up, and so that was what
that song was reflective about, is when

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I was a kid, the full
circle of when I was a kid to

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getting married and having a kid.
I'm gonna tell you, like, I

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think sometimes we see we hear a
song, or we see a performance,

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or we see a movie and it
and it hits us, you know,

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and maybe we're not ready for it. And the first time I heard there

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was a time it did have this
It did hit me emotionally. You know.

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I don't mind saying it, you
know, it kind of I kind

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of teared up a little bit,
and I was like maybe it made me

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reflect on my life and like,
yes, what what I've done and what

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I still want to do, you
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just I just want to thank you
for writing a song like that. Yeah.

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I know you're like you guys excited
to have me here and like that's

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making your day. Well, that
just made my day, writer, Thank

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you, I tell you. Jeff
hit it right there, Courtney. It's

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music is like an escapism, you
know, when you when you're listening to

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it, it takes you somewhere else
and it helps you leave the problems in

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trouble that you're having in the world. You know, And as an artist,

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you are able to create something to
not only make it happen before your

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listeners, but allows your message,
you know, to come across and clearly

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you know you have done that with
all of your music and Safe Haven is

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it definitely you know we're going to
dive into that. But it really did

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it for me too. Oh thanks
me. But the same thing with movies,

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right, I mean, movies there
in place for people to get away

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from their problems in the world as
well. I mean that's what I think.

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Art, you know, elevates sometimes
just escapes, so sometimes elevates,

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you know. That's why it's a
valuable, you know, a valuable thing

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in society. It's it's sort of
the like like why do we have to

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dream? Right, Like why do
we have to go to sleep? And

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why do we have to dream?
Because we have to process all this ship,

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right? And I think that art
is is a I think when when

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it's on its best level, it's
coming from a subconscious level, you know.

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I feel like when I'm creating a
character or writing a song, when

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it feels like it's coming from not
this part of my brain, but somewhere

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over here. I can't explain exactly
it's coming through, like an antenna ether

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kind of thing. When it's at
its best, you know, and uh,

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that's why I think that's why you
know, film and music, have

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you know someone of a dream like
in the world quality and and and I

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really love what you said because you
know what I've come sort of, you

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know, when you say asked,
You's like, why do I do what

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I do? I am? I
an actor? What what what do I

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provide? You know? I think
that what I've come down to with what

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I think I do best as an
actor and hopefully as a musician too,

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is create a mood, create a
feeling, create a you know. And

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and and I think that like that's
a service in society because what we're really,

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what we're so taught in this country
is to not feel, to not

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show emotions, to be in control, to be the boss. No no,

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no, no, you know,
but really we're all going through a

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lot of ship. Yeah, and
the ones that don't and the ones that

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really don't get in tune with that
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it in any way. Is when
you when people go freaking postal, right,

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it's like they finally just fluck a
completely snap, right. So it's

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like that's not the freaking healthy answer. So like if someone is some guy

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you know, some dudes need to
go to like a metal metal band festivals

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where they're just talking like ah for
like five hours, but they get it

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all out. God bless you know
amen, you know, yeah, yeah,

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And it takes people like you,
Courtney to to help us. It

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takes artists, you know, to
exactly what you said, you know,

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make us feel something different so that
we can escape. You know, we

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mentioned that before, but it's just
like we all need that. You know.

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I got photography in my life and
I use that as an escape,

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you know, So I completely understand
what you're saying, and you know you

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help us do that. So thank
you nice, Yeah, Courtney. Sometimes

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if I need if I need it
and I go to a metal concert,

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that's a great release. Sometimes no
one's in town, so maybe I take

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my my garbage can down the street
and beat the hell out of it.

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That's right. Well, next time
you do that videotape before me and send

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it, I'll post it. I
definitely will. All right. So safe

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Haven is currently available through Fake Thangs
Records. Yes, let's talk about Fake

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Fangs. How'd that come about?
So it's a very small little label in

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Savannah, Georgia and a guy named
Jim Reid, who is who is h

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sort of my mentor here in Savannah. He sort of taught me how things

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work out here, like like with
music for example, like La La is

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a showcase town where you put four
or five bands at night through right play.

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You can play all originals if you
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And that's what I did for years
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had out here. This is a
tourist town. And so it's about they

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don't want to put a bunch of
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to play at that bar, that
restaurant, that whatever, due three forty

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five minute sets to night. You
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are all things I'm like, I'm
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What if you want gigs? This
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to do like seventy percent covers and
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a working band together and so but
Jim who's been a he's been a drummer

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in town for a long time,
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plus a label. I just like
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like I said, he's been kind
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hey, man, you want to
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yeah, let's do it. So
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to him. And he's also going
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together for the touring next year and
all that. So he's he's become a

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very a big resource for me supporting
my music nice. So I really appreciate

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him on that level. And he's
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a tough critic too, He's like
one of the toughest critics, but he's

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also the guy helping me the most. So I really appreciate his his support

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out here. But yeah, having
having a band the last nine months has

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been a working band has been great
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chops together. And I've pivoted from
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because, so you know, three
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covers. I felt like I needed
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shred a lot more to extend all
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say, I'm playing rhythm guitar on
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nine months it's all been about gearing
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to get on the road next year
to promote it. And it's, uh,

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it's it's it's paid off. You
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was just at a little, a
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All metal bands but and me but
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sized stage and with a good pia
system and all that, and we got

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the rock they just they just got
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two and day three, but just
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like, it was great to finally
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a really nice PA and do a
fifty minute set where you're just focused.

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in there, and just bang it
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culmination of where we've gotten to at
this point. And he shows that we're

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ready to get on the road,
play the festivals, get on the road,

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open for some bands, that kind
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at. Nice. Yeah, so
you're doing. You can find the band

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on Facebook. Courtney Gains grew so
excellent. So you know, you're you're

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doing, you got vocals, you're
doing, you're doing guitar. This the

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guy you're talking about shredding it?
Would that be? Would that be Guy

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Wallace? That was guy for about
seven months. Yeah, and he also

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he's he's a multi talented musician.
He uh, he plays guitar and he

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and he's and yeah, he's all
the most of the lead work on the

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record is him. But he also
as a very very good keyboard player and

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he added some keys on the record
as well. But he's made his living

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majority of the last maybe decade playing
keyboards for bands and uh, but he

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also plays for Monica and so for
for the first set of months, he

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brought a lot. He brought a
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one man band. You know,
he could if you want to play an

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acoustic too where you can play some
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I wanted to play were ups in
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Except for a while, that really
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But but he's moved on and he
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wald PJ from Peru who's just a
he's a real shredding uh guitar player.

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of vibe. So it's taking us
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what's so interesting about. You have
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whoever the guitar player is, is
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they have to carry a lot of
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because it's only three pieces. But
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so he you know, he was
instrumental and helping. Uh. He did

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the mix on the record, and
that was a lot of work because I

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did I did, I did.
I tracked the vocals, uh, rhythm

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guitar and bass guitar all on my
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studio, and it wasn't all completely
fleshed out, so we had to go

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in and do some editing and some
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like, oh, here's the song
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he'd had some lead work and I'd
be like, ah, something that's too

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busy, but I like this one
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I like that a lot. I
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Like he's like what, I'm like, just try it. Put it and

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he's like, oh, I get
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know. So we did a lot
of like a lot of surgery to put

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this record together, which made it
take a little longer. But you're trying

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to just trying to figure out to
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You know it sounds good, so
it does. You did it,

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You did it? I think,
how's how is it? Playing with with

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Christopher Angeletti. He is awesome.
So both him and guy were That's how

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we got guys. They knew each
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Massachusetts guys. And Chris Chris uh
is a very school drummer, you

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know, and he's when I first
met him, I already knew a little

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bit about him and such, and
then he you know, he he I

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know, like he played like in
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rock band, like you know,
like you know, need more meat and

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potatoes, dude, you know that
like crazy a field dude. All the

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time, just like I understand,
I understand what you need. And he's

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he's been great because again he's been
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is the first time I've really been
quote unquote just the the band leader.

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Been in bands that I've been like
maybe cold, but it was like it's

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all on me. I gotta find
the gigs, I gotta pay the dudes,

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you know, all the responsibilities.
But he's been there before. So

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like when Guy left, I'm like, oh man, what are we gonna

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do. He's like, it'll work
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because you know, that's that's the
nature of the beast. But he's been

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at it twenty years. For me, it's a little bit of a new

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curve. So he's been a great
steady like a good drummer, a great

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steady force behind me, this key
pushing it forward. You know. He's

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always been very positive. But what's
cool is now that we're taking on some

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like for like this metal festivals,
like well, you know, we gotta

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play some little bit harder, so
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you know, And he could do
all those fills, you know, like

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like the like, I can't play
like Geezer Butler at all. I'm like

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playing, I'm keeping it simple,
stupid, you know, and singing.

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Yeah. But this guy he's like
he's he's warbag. You know, I

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tell you, you can see the
video. Yeah, this guy he can

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play. So it's been great to
we've been able to unleash him a little

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bit and let him do all his
skills. But yeah, he's a he's

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he's great to have in the band. He's just a very positive influence and

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a very solid talented drummer. I'm
surprised to hear, like when you're doing

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these these gigs, like they want
seventy percent covers, What would what what

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are your go to covers? Like
what what like the ones you enjoy playing?

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What what are Courtney Gaines go to
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was the one thing. Uh,
That's It's funny because when I first started

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doing all this because because again in
Connecticut, I guess they're like really strict

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about like you gotta do the covers
the way the covers are. Wow,

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And I don't know, I don't
know that, right. I come from

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La where I can play whatever I
want, right, And so when I

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decided if I'm going to do covers, I gotta do covers. I like,

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I'm not going to do covers because
I'm supposed to, and I'm gonna

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do them the way I want because
that's to me one my skill set level

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too. Artist interpretations. What makes
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Yes, so so, so I
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that's what I did. And again
guy was like, I don't know if

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it's gonna fly and people people reacted
very well, and he was like,

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oh, this is great. Plus
we're playing a lot of blues. He

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wasn't sure because Connecticut Ota likes blues, but out here people do. And

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a matter of fact, Jim plays
in a really good band called the Eric

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culb Ban. He's like the big
fish in town blues player with his bass

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player, big ease, like this
guy who's like just a beast. That's

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what we got our start. We'd
go to there Tuesday night jam nights,

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and we started working up like we
could play like three songs a night,

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work up our material so that by
the time we got that opportunity, we've

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got some sets together than got it. We wouldn't we'dn't have been ready to

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jump into that pond. That was
a big jump for me to play.

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I used to put like a fifty
minute set, maybe maybe a forty five

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minute set. To jump at three
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a big like whoa. But to
answer your question, I'll give you an

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example. First first song I upened
with is a Desperado, but I don't

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do it like a ballot. I
did a little more up tempo and so

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it's a little more it's a little
more out, it's a little more uh,

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it's a little country rock. I
guess you could say, okay,

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but I like, I love the
song, but I don't not really into

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doing it as a ballot. So
I just picked the temp who up a

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little bit and do my own thing. And I say this a lot in

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the sets, like you'll recognize this
song eventually, like we do. We

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do the clashes should I stay or
should I go? Now? When I

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started learning that, yeah, it's
a great song. But when I started

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learning the song and I started learning
the bass part, I realized the bass

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part was very fifties if you really
just isolate it if you think about it.

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But but it's so disguised in punkin
attitude, you don't notice it.

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But when I learned the part,
I noticed it, right, So I

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was like, hmm, this is
interesting. So I start now with like

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a little fifties kind of groove in
the beginning, and then we drop into

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the tune and then we play it. But I know that, look,

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as a cover band, you're never
never gonna have the attitude of the clash,

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like that's what it's. It's that's
it's the moxie of the band that

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makes it, that makes it them
right, So if you try to do

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that, it's gonna be cheese right, that's in my opinion. So I

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try to find a way to make
it mine. And one of the things

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we do again, we finally do
the first chorus, we do the double

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drum part. But when we drop
back in the second time, after I

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do another game like fifties, we
drop in and we only do one hits

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where it's more of a fifties kind
of dan. It's just kind of sending

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a message like, do you realize
this songs? This song's rooted in rock

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and roll, it's punk, but
you break it down. He listen to

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this bassline, it's rooted in rock
and roll all the way back into the

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fifties. And that's what I mean
by interpreating stuff. You know. Yeah,

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awesome, Well, Dave, let's
take a quick break and when we

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get back, we are going to
go track by track with Courtney on his

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new EP, safe Haven. All
right, we are back, Courtney.

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Are you ready to go track by
track and give us a little insight on

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safe Haven? It's about to shift
to a music by Courtney games, not

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a film by podcast. Yes,
that's right. Oh, I love it.

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David wouldn't have it any other way, Courtney. So let's start with

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the title track, Ye say,
David, when the world times too crazy

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to understand, don't still gold,
don't lender Helm and Hayes rejects everything you

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try to Jeeves, don't all bad
on your dreams on we Y we are

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dreams all the past two got along, we Need, we all Need or

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Lettle So it's you know, it's
that song was the one song that was

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written on versus guitar. And it
started with that riff, that cool,

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that cool walkdown right, And I
think again it was like during pandemic time

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and all of that, and and
I thought and when I started thinking about

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was just people, the people on
the streets, Like it's something nothing to

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be on the streets, but could
you imagine had to be on the streets

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during COVID Like that was the sort
of the first thought that kind of spawned

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things, and then it kind of
became a layered concept like what, well,

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what is so a home? Yes, very important to have a home,

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right, a safe haven. But
on top of that, then it

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becomes like what is your what what
is your safe haven? Like for me,

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it's right for me. Like that's
where I really expressed the stuff going

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on with me that I can't quite
articulate any other way, or the articulate

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much clearer somehow on a song.
So it sort of became that it became

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that, like what's your safe haven? Whether it be art, you know,

407
00:26:56.079 --> 00:26:57.920
or something like my Son's deep into
jiu jitsu, you know, like

408
00:26:59.000 --> 00:27:02.160
whatever your jam is. Like,
life is short, man, you know,

409
00:27:02.279 --> 00:27:03.079
work a job if you got to
pay the bills, whatever, but

410
00:27:03.240 --> 00:27:07.640
like you better find something you love
to do because life is short. Find

411
00:27:07.680 --> 00:27:11.319
your safe haven. You do your
thing. Man. You know what I

412
00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:14.200
was gonna say, is it's appropriate? Uh? You know that the album

413
00:27:14.359 --> 00:27:15.880
was called safe Haven. And this
is the first song on the album because

414
00:27:17.279 --> 00:27:19.720
to me, when I hear the
word safe haven, it's it's gonna take

415
00:27:19.759 --> 00:27:22.240
me to a place where I'm comfortable
that, you know, I can just

416
00:27:22.359 --> 00:27:26.119
let myself be who I want to
be. And clearly that's what this is.

417
00:27:26.200 --> 00:27:29.160
You know, it's a place to
call our own you know, which

418
00:27:29.200 --> 00:27:30.519
you say in the song, yeah, you know, And you know I

419
00:27:30.680 --> 00:27:34.640
love that, even the course,
absolutely, even the course in this I

420
00:27:34.759 --> 00:27:40.279
just I find myself just loving that
so much and singing right along with it.

421
00:27:40.400 --> 00:27:42.880
So that's awesome, great great stuff. I'll echo what you both are

422
00:27:42.920 --> 00:27:45.279
saying. First off, it's a
great way to start the EP off.

423
00:27:47.079 --> 00:27:49.720
And and just the you know,
courdy you you you you talked about you

424
00:27:49.799 --> 00:27:53.960
know whatever your jam is this for
me, this song, it's the head

425
00:27:55.039 --> 00:27:59.160
nodding driving down the coast with the
top down kind of a jim like,

426
00:27:59.319 --> 00:28:02.839
you know it like I don't know
where I where I'm coming from, but

427
00:28:02.920 --> 00:28:06.000
I know things are gonna be okay. That's that's what this song kind of

428
00:28:06.039 --> 00:28:08.440
says to me. That's that's funny. Uh. The s guy I worked

429
00:28:08.480 --> 00:28:14.480
with, Mike Dallager, who has
this amazing uh double ep called based on

430
00:28:14.680 --> 00:28:17.039
H. P. Lovecraft Dreams of
the Witch House. I know we're going

431
00:28:17.079 --> 00:28:19.400
to talk about that at all,
but he all these metal guys are on

432
00:28:19.519 --> 00:28:25.160
it, Doug Blair and just amazing
people. He he called like my my

433
00:28:25.240 --> 00:28:29.799
stuff in Ripple Street cruise grunge.
That was his. That's exactly the kind

434
00:28:29.799 --> 00:28:32.039
of stuff you put your top down
and you go up the coast. So

435
00:28:32.480 --> 00:28:34.240
yeah, picking up on my you're
picking up on my groove. That's my

436
00:28:34.319 --> 00:28:37.359
groove, I guess. Excellent.
Yeah, it's a good groove to have.

437
00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:41.720
Man. Uh, let's let's talk
about the track number two, The

438
00:28:41.880 --> 00:29:02.279
Healer. He you make it a
fing brand with a little sign from my

439
00:29:03.039 --> 00:29:38.799
O. This one starts big,
like I love like, we get like

440
00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:44.640
a hint of like this gospel beginning, and then it quickly segues to like

441
00:29:44.720 --> 00:29:48.039
this old time rock and roll sound
with the keyboards and the horns. It's

442
00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:53.160
jamming man. Yeah, well again, yeah, guy gets all that credit

443
00:29:53.240 --> 00:29:56.119
with the keyboards and the horns.
That's his wife is one of the horns

444
00:29:56.160 --> 00:30:00.599
on that. He found a trumpet
playery. He works with it and he

445
00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:04.960
really he really elevated the song and
fattened it out but so so, uh,

446
00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:08.000
we'll get to the heather, but
sort of tout in some kind of

447
00:30:08.039 --> 00:30:12.279
context. So three of the songs
were songs that were I'd had for a

448
00:30:12.319 --> 00:30:15.079
long time that were in a movie
I did in two thousand and six called

449
00:30:15.119 --> 00:30:19.440
Benny Bliss and the Disciples of greatnessas
a rock and roll road movie with an

450
00:30:19.440 --> 00:30:25.319
anti technology bent, and that's I
create this character and this was all part

451
00:30:25.359 --> 00:30:26.680
of that, like can you write
stuff outside of your person's life. I

452
00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:30.599
created this character called Benny Bliss and
the Disciples of the Greatness is the band

453
00:30:32.279 --> 00:30:40.559
and Benny Bliss looks like something between
Evil Knievel and Elvis. It's it's the

454
00:30:40.640 --> 00:30:41.559
kind of we say, you know
you can find it. I think you

455
00:30:41.559 --> 00:30:45.039
can still find it. Rented.
I'm like, if you smoke out,

456
00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:49.319
I suggest you do and watch this. Just have a few beers because it's

457
00:30:49.359 --> 00:30:55.759
that kind of movie. Uh.
But there's some really excellent musicians and the

458
00:30:55.799 --> 00:30:59.599
guy who produced, the guy who
directed it and produced it with me is

459
00:30:59.640 --> 00:31:03.279
in it. Martin Geegee. He's
a he's a he's a director of working

460
00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:07.680
director. He's also a very serious
musician. He's the keyboard player and bandleader

461
00:31:07.799 --> 00:31:11.799
for Billy Gibbons' own band when he's
not doing his easy top. So that

462
00:31:11.799 --> 00:31:15.200
should put you out a clue of
how good this dude is. And so

463
00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:18.720
the movie, the last, the
end of it culminates in the desert where

464
00:31:19.160 --> 00:31:22.039
of vortex, where none of the
you know, technology can work like phones

465
00:31:22.039 --> 00:31:26.240
and all that. It's a live
concert's live, like a fifteen minute live

466
00:31:26.359 --> 00:31:29.799
show. It's crazy, and these
guys are all good, like the bass

467
00:31:29.839 --> 00:31:32.200
player it was. We were like, wow, this guy's really good.

468
00:31:32.519 --> 00:31:34.200
Turns out he's now the bass player
in Bush, you know, like he's

469
00:31:34.240 --> 00:31:37.759
done all right, Corey Britz,
he's done all right for himself since set.

470
00:31:37.519 --> 00:31:41.920
So I don't know what that tangent. Oh, three of those songs

471
00:31:41.960 --> 00:31:44.559
were in the movie, and they
were supposed to be We were supposed to

472
00:31:44.599 --> 00:31:47.400
do a record after what It never
happens. So I took three of the

473
00:31:47.480 --> 00:31:51.480
songs from there that I had,
and three new songs. So safe An

474
00:31:51.599 --> 00:31:56.759
was a new song, Heeler is
an old song. And uh again looking

475
00:31:56.920 --> 00:32:00.480
something from a different point of view, So that song is told the point

476
00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:06.480
of view of a plastic surgeon.
Well, you know, like I said,

477
00:32:07.640 --> 00:32:13.480
those booms, but like I said, it was, and it feels

478
00:32:13.559 --> 00:32:17.440
like a like like a some kind
of revival like gospel vib So You're like,

479
00:32:19.079 --> 00:32:21.599
like, he's selling her this incision. Yeah, And I was like,

480
00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:23.240
he sells this is what we're gonna
do for you. We're gonna make

481
00:32:23.240 --> 00:32:27.359
it brand new. You know.
I would love to do a music video

482
00:32:27.440 --> 00:32:30.599
for this. Somebody give me the
budget to do it, because I just

483
00:32:30.799 --> 00:32:35.119
putting this middle aged woman through a
conveyor belt. She comes out on the

484
00:32:35.200 --> 00:32:37.359
other end, you know, and
like you said, relax and let go

485
00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:43.400
right right. But again, it's
really ultimately it's calling bullshit on you know,

486
00:32:43.559 --> 00:32:49.079
our materialistic you know, society and
and not honoring age at all.

487
00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:52.799
You know, I think that's I
think about music. You know, most

488
00:32:52.839 --> 00:32:57.319
of the music we listen to is
people's conversations when they were twenty years old,

489
00:32:57.359 --> 00:33:01.599
when they pretty much don't know shite. But that's what we we That's

490
00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:07.319
what sells, right, young beautiful
people and talking sex talk and rock and

491
00:33:07.400 --> 00:33:09.440
rolls, dog or whatever. Right
talk and rebellion, that's what sells and

492
00:33:09.440 --> 00:33:13.000
those of the people who buy records. But there's not much out there in

493
00:33:13.079 --> 00:33:17.559
the way of wisdom. But our
country is very young and its mentality.

494
00:33:17.680 --> 00:33:22.240
So our conversation seems to be very
young. Uh is what I think.

495
00:33:22.519 --> 00:33:27.799
That's my that's my theory. But
yeah, it's just kind I just think

496
00:33:27.880 --> 00:33:31.160
plastic surgery is like so so ridiculous. You know, yeah, one thing,

497
00:33:31.559 --> 00:33:37.799
but I'm getting some pecks put in. I don't know. One thing

498
00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:40.960
that kind of that catches me by
surprise on The Healer is that mid break

499
00:33:40.960 --> 00:33:45.759
where everything kind of slows down.
It's a little it's a little unexpected,

500
00:33:45.799 --> 00:33:47.680
but it's welcome. It's like,
uh, I mean because the songs just

501
00:33:47.839 --> 00:33:52.079
rocking the whole time, and it's
like a chance to catch your breath and

502
00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:54.640
then you ratchet it right back up
Courtney, right, and the keyboards,

503
00:33:54.759 --> 00:34:00.200
you know, really helped carry that
carry that bridge through it. Need did

504
00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:04.279
that, like you said, sort
of churchy kind of yeah, like he

505
00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:07.799
said, he kind of kind of
like she's gone under anesthesia now, right,

506
00:34:07.239 --> 00:34:13.400
Yeah, and then God is going
to go to work. Because that's

507
00:34:13.440 --> 00:34:15.599
kind of what the I see these
dudes sort of think they are, you

508
00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:19.000
know, they sort of think that
they're, you know, better than God,

509
00:34:19.199 --> 00:34:22.559
God's creation, like you know that
that kind of that's kind of what

510
00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:25.199
rubs me about it. It's like, look, not everything God makes us

511
00:34:25.280 --> 00:34:30.599
perfect, but it's insanely amazing.
Right. It's like, and that's sort

512
00:34:30.599 --> 00:34:32.199
of what Benny Benny Bliss is about, the same thing is, but Ben,

513
00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:36.920
the character of the Electric Shock Treatment, gets a message from God that

514
00:34:37.480 --> 00:34:40.800
God's getting lonely because we're paying attention
to all our devices and not creation itself,

515
00:34:40.920 --> 00:34:45.840
you know, which I think has
only gotten a thousand times worse since

516
00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:50.920
that movie was made. You know, it's like it seems to be like

517
00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:54.039
I don't know, it seems like
we tape the planet Earth nature like for

518
00:34:54.159 --> 00:34:58.760
granted, you know, like it's
pretty freaking amazing, y'all, Like,

519
00:34:58.880 --> 00:35:07.199
pay attention. You got my pulpit
now, man, Dave, I'm gonna

520
00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:10.400
look into financial backing because I would
love to see you direct the video for

521
00:35:10.519 --> 00:35:19.679
this song that's doing. Let's talk, we can make it happen. We'll

522
00:35:19.719 --> 00:35:22.199
find a way to stroungde a couple
of dollars. You gotta get me in

523
00:35:22.280 --> 00:35:30.239
a white smock. I would love
every second of that. Yeah, background,

524
00:35:30.280 --> 00:35:35.760
you know absolutely, Oh God,
yes, Dave. Okay, now

525
00:35:35.960 --> 00:35:38.360
just to sell that now, you
have to watch any Bliss because you'll see

526
00:35:39.159 --> 00:35:45.280
you'll see with that character alone where
we could go with this I'm looking at

527
00:35:45.239 --> 00:35:52.000
and that's actually the last song in
the movie. Uh uh that we're performing

528
00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:57.400
and uh yeah, I'm not even
described. It's so crazy. You have

529
00:35:57.519 --> 00:36:00.599
to see. You have to see
this last scene with the alert. You're

530
00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:01.639
just gonna be like, oh my
god, we gotta we gotta do something

531
00:36:01.880 --> 00:36:05.559
that'd be that would be that would
be a dream for me. So let's

532
00:36:05.639 --> 00:36:07.679
let's let's let's let's let's put the
brains. You gotta make an aver when

533
00:36:07.719 --> 00:36:13.679
we yeah to work with Corney Games
on a project. Oh my gosh,

534
00:36:13.800 --> 00:36:15.920
that would just I don't know how
I would react to that. I'm barely

535
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:22.440
reacting to it now because I'm so
excited. That's a speaking of excitement.

536
00:36:23.199 --> 00:36:27.719
This this this, uh this CPS, it's building and it's building. We

537
00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:31.480
get to track three Big Brother,
uh Corny. My notes, I'm looking

538
00:36:31.519 --> 00:36:36.039
at my notes here and the first
thing I wrote is now we're cooking exclamation

539
00:36:36.199 --> 00:36:42.480
point this. It opens with this
mean guitar and this this how the that

540
00:36:42.599 --> 00:37:13.079
you give us and it's just man, I love it so for me,

541
00:37:13.280 --> 00:37:16.119
I was gonna put I was gonna
put Big Brother first, but uh,

542
00:37:17.559 --> 00:37:23.159
but I like Jim, I welcome
outside ears right, and I didn't know.

543
00:37:23.199 --> 00:37:25.320
I wanted the title, the title
track to be safe favorous. I

544
00:37:25.320 --> 00:37:29.079
think that's why he decided let's put
that first. And I think it's worked

545
00:37:29.119 --> 00:37:31.559
out great. I really, I
we find when we got the CDs,

546
00:37:31.719 --> 00:37:35.400
you know, I finally was able
to listen to it like a record.

547
00:37:35.599 --> 00:37:37.320
You know, it's one thing to
have the tracks, you have to keep

548
00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:39.599
pressing them individually or whatever. It's
not the same, right, put the

549
00:37:39.719 --> 00:37:43.280
CD in and you listen to this
like and I grew up like listen to

550
00:37:43.360 --> 00:37:45.000
like, you know, Zeppelin from
song to end. You know, That's

551
00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:49.199
what I really admire about, Like
Zeppelin is like the whole album works together.

552
00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:52.159
It's not just a good song or
bad song good, It's like the

553
00:37:52.280 --> 00:37:55.400
whole thing flows. I really I'm
really happy with the way the order,

554
00:37:55.599 --> 00:37:59.400
with the order that was put together, the way this record flows. You

555
00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:01.239
know, it's only a song EP, but I feel like it it has,

556
00:38:01.599 --> 00:38:05.079
like you said, an arc and
then you know, an ending.

557
00:38:05.199 --> 00:38:07.639
So I'm really I'm really, really
really pleased with that. But so Big

558
00:38:07.719 --> 00:38:13.039
Brother again was was was maybe that
was probably the impetus for the Benny Bliss

559
00:38:13.119 --> 00:38:16.400
project. Martin and the GigE,
the director and I were in an entertainment

560
00:38:16.440 --> 00:38:21.719
basketball league together and uh, the
E shouldn't be for entertainment, the E

561
00:38:21.840 --> 00:38:24.559
should be for ego. It was
just the It was like all these like

562
00:38:24.719 --> 00:38:30.840
top notch, like uh agents from
like William Morris and our big actors are

563
00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:34.239
big rappers and and they're ego.
It was just a hilarious. The whole

564
00:38:34.280 --> 00:38:36.199
thing was like, so me and
this guy would like sit there on the

565
00:38:36.239 --> 00:38:38.360
bench like laughing at people and shape
because we just thought they were so full

566
00:38:38.360 --> 00:38:42.800
of themselves, you know. So
that was our that was our bonding.

567
00:38:43.000 --> 00:38:45.760
And then when we went we he
did he did some music with me.

568
00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:49.599
He came in to play some keyboards
and just blew us away and and then

569
00:38:49.639 --> 00:38:52.960
he would just hear me go on
these rants about technology, and I started

570
00:38:53.000 --> 00:38:55.400
this Benny Bliss character. And then
he was like and he goes he was

571
00:38:55.400 --> 00:38:58.880
like, let's do like a little
ep K on Benny Bliss. And then

572
00:38:58.920 --> 00:39:00.000
we shot some stuff and then he
goes, no, this is gonna be

573
00:39:00.039 --> 00:39:02.159
a movie. I'm like, what
it's like, We're gonna make a movie,

574
00:39:02.599 --> 00:39:07.000
and and it ended up happening.
But it was really off of this

575
00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:10.559
this big brother. The concept is
very simple. It's like, you know,

576
00:39:13.159 --> 00:39:15.320
we've become big brother. You know, when the movie nineteen eighty four

577
00:39:15.440 --> 00:39:17.599
was made out, they were gonna
be they were gonna be spying on us

578
00:39:17.639 --> 00:39:21.199
on our TVs and trying to control
thus, like you know that kind of

579
00:39:21.239 --> 00:39:24.639
dystopian society. Now either do was
give us phones with the camera and we

580
00:39:24.719 --> 00:39:30.039
could constantly go, look at me
having a great life over here doing this.

581
00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:32.400
You know, I always telling my
son, don't compare yourself to people's

582
00:39:32.440 --> 00:39:37.440
highlight reels because good good point.
How often how often you see on these

583
00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:40.440
like Dateline? I love Dateline and
shit? Right, but how have you

584
00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:44.719
see all these shows? Like somebody
is like, you know, some bloggers

585
00:39:44.760 --> 00:39:47.320
showing how great life they have and
then they end up murdered by their boyfriend

586
00:39:47.480 --> 00:39:52.239
or something. Right, It's like
it's like the people who are looking like

587
00:39:52.280 --> 00:39:55.079
they have too great a life are
covering the fact that, like life ain't

588
00:39:55.159 --> 00:39:58.840
so good. It's like, stop
doing that ship, deal with your fucking

589
00:39:58.920 --> 00:40:00.639
issue. You got a psycho boy, get the fuck out of the relationship.

590
00:40:04.559 --> 00:40:07.119
But but it's true, it's true. So we've become our own police.

591
00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:10.920
You knows filming each other or somebody's
having it alter. Let me get

592
00:40:10.960 --> 00:40:14.360
time so I could take this to
court and use them. It's like we've

593
00:40:14.440 --> 00:40:15.800
become big brother. So that's the
line. Who you knew the big brother

594
00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:20.360
would turn out to be you?
Right? Yeah, it's it's an interesting

595
00:40:20.440 --> 00:40:23.480
point you made because we were we're
in a time now where if you saw

596
00:40:23.599 --> 00:40:30.239
someone in trouble or you saw someone
being assaulted. Nowadays, most people's reaction

597
00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:34.400
isn't to go help, it's to
it's to start recording the film, and

598
00:40:34.480 --> 00:40:37.239
the film it Yeah, you're absolutely
right, man, it's got Yeah,

599
00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:40.039
it's gotten to the point where,
uh, you know, everybody thinks it's

600
00:40:40.039 --> 00:40:45.880
all it's all a it's all a
movie, you know. And I remember

601
00:40:45.960 --> 00:40:47.199
even dealing with that when I was, you know, younger, like like

602
00:40:47.320 --> 00:40:52.039
obviously you know, like Child in
the Corn was such a splash that you

603
00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:53.000
know, I couldn't go anywhere,
you know, when I first time,

604
00:40:53.039 --> 00:40:57.039
it really freaked me out. But
where I realized it was the worst was

605
00:40:57.119 --> 00:41:00.039
what I call mall people. Like
if you go to a mall, like

606
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:04.239
I try to avoid malls because mall
people, to me are people who like

607
00:41:04.360 --> 00:41:07.920
things right. They go to the
mall so they can buy stuff, right,

608
00:41:07.280 --> 00:41:10.159
they're not a big stuff guy.
But when they would see me,

609
00:41:10.480 --> 00:41:14.360
they would treat me like an item, Like they grab me by my arm

610
00:41:14.440 --> 00:41:15.440
or try to take me to their
friends and like what are you doing?

611
00:41:15.639 --> 00:41:19.000
Like like, I'm not a just
because you paid, like, you know,

612
00:41:19.320 --> 00:41:22.199
fucking ten bucks or whatever seeing in
a movie. I'm not a fucking

613
00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:27.960
thing, you know they call me
now say the line like what the fuck?

614
00:41:28.159 --> 00:41:30.360
You know? It's like, I
don't mind talking to people, and

615
00:41:30.440 --> 00:41:31.400
I don't mind, you know,
Like, but I don't like when you

616
00:41:31.480 --> 00:41:35.880
treat me like a thing that Dan
is to do a dog and pony show

617
00:41:35.920 --> 00:41:37.599
with because you paid a couple of
bucks to watch my movie. That's that's

618
00:41:37.599 --> 00:41:42.039
another animal, you know. Yeah, that's maybe that's a song I should

619
00:41:42.039 --> 00:41:44.840
write. Mall people. There you
go, moll people in the next one.

620
00:41:44.920 --> 00:41:51.599
Yeah, well, I'll tell you
one thing. One thing about people.

621
00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:58.119
Our second video together, we're cooking, man, we wouldn't have trouble

622
00:41:58.159 --> 00:42:04.239
finding an abandoned mall. That's her. Damn. That sounds one thing before

623
00:42:04.239 --> 00:42:06.679
we move on to the next one. One thing I love about Big Brother.

624
00:42:07.760 --> 00:42:09.840
This is the song that I would
want to hear live in a crowd

625
00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:14.559
and feel the energy. Is this
is this one of the Is this a

626
00:42:14.639 --> 00:42:17.639
song that you guys play well when
you're out there? And am I right

627
00:42:17.679 --> 00:42:22.679
with the energy there? Yeah?
Definitely, definitely. We we we have

628
00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:25.639
been with the new guy. We
haven't yet, but we will. It's

629
00:42:25.679 --> 00:42:29.079
because I have. Also, you're
gonna get You're gonna eventually get some good

630
00:42:29.119 --> 00:42:31.519
times. The good times is they're
both in e so I gotta kind of

631
00:42:31.519 --> 00:42:35.000
pick one of the other depending on
the sets or like that, because they're

632
00:42:35.039 --> 00:42:37.159
kind similar, which is why I
tried to sort of stack them away from

633
00:42:37.159 --> 00:42:39.239
each other a little bit. But
yeah, it's a it's a good one

634
00:42:39.280 --> 00:42:43.119
that one and good times really are
good good live. Well, Well,

635
00:42:43.400 --> 00:42:45.199
we're going to talk about track four, which is I'm gonna say my favorite,

636
00:42:45.280 --> 00:42:47.519
Courtney. I love all of these, don't get me wrong, I

637
00:42:47.559 --> 00:42:52.239
love them, but I'm telling you, Bills in Space is just I've listened

638
00:42:52.239 --> 00:42:55.199
to the thing over and over and
over again and I just can't get enough

639
00:42:55.199 --> 00:42:58.920
of it, and I'll just keep
listening to it. But I love the

640
00:42:59.000 --> 00:43:02.719
fact that it's like a ab at
the billionaires for this space race that's been

641
00:43:02.800 --> 00:43:06.480
going on. Uh, and I
love what you do with your thong.

642
00:43:09.760 --> 00:43:23.039
My song Rejoy just had on it
ustig me on misic conram already on this

643
00:43:23.480 --> 00:43:31.639
come. We got a millionaires milliona
we got a millionaires a million say we

644
00:43:31.840 --> 00:43:39.400
got a millionaire home New read Racing
got a millionaires. The biggest ego trip

645
00:43:39.480 --> 00:43:43.800
on the planet right now is the
billionaire space race. That's that's how I

646
00:43:43.880 --> 00:43:45.840
see that. I see that as
and when you know I've said this,

647
00:43:46.559 --> 00:43:49.880
I've done a few interviews here late. I say this because it's like,

648
00:43:50.079 --> 00:43:52.760
how about we take these three great
minds and how about you guys get together

649
00:43:52.840 --> 00:43:58.960
and like solve like world hunger and
homelessness. How about you do that instead?

650
00:43:59.400 --> 00:44:01.280
But I say, in sarcasm,
like, oh, because you can't

651
00:44:01.400 --> 00:44:05.280
monetize that, you ain't interested,
right, Like that's how I feel about

652
00:44:05.320 --> 00:44:10.000
it, because obviously they're all three
fucking bright guys, right and with all

653
00:44:10.039 --> 00:44:15.559
the resources of you know, literally
all the resources at this point, Okay,

654
00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:19.599
you know, going to space it's
a it's an achievement. It's cool,

655
00:44:19.800 --> 00:44:22.519
but like you know, in the
big fucking picture, it ain't shit,

656
00:44:22.679 --> 00:44:25.039
you know what I mean. It's
like, uh, there's a lot

657
00:44:25.239 --> 00:44:29.000
going on on the planet where some
people could use your fucking help. How

658
00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:32.480
about how about how about doing that
at least as I give to like Bill

659
00:44:32.559 --> 00:44:35.800
Gates, you know, like he
you know, they you know, then

660
00:44:35.880 --> 00:44:38.840
their foundation they put together like they're
actually you know, trying to solve malaria

661
00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:43.280
problems in Africa and stuff like that. You got to take my hat off

662
00:44:43.320 --> 00:44:46.000
of those guys, you know what
I mean. Ultimately, philanthropy is when

663
00:44:46.039 --> 00:44:50.280
you're when you've made it that big
philanthropy is the last the last frontier.

664
00:44:50.280 --> 00:44:52.880
And then question is like what are
you really going to leave behind? What

665
00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:54.719
are you really going to leave behind? And you know, I guess if

666
00:44:54.760 --> 00:44:58.719
the planet explodes and Elon Must managed
to get some people to Mars, then

667
00:44:58.840 --> 00:45:07.320
okay, you know you fucking did
a good thing. But or Diddy humans

668
00:45:07.400 --> 00:45:10.880
and space so ship. But yeah, that that song absolutely is you know,

669
00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:15.239
tongue in cheek mocking and it just
kind of grew with this surf beat

670
00:45:15.320 --> 00:45:17.559
that kind of just worked out and
that's one of the new songs. And

671
00:45:17.920 --> 00:45:22.280
uh yeah, I didn't like,
I don't take like somehow credit, like

672
00:45:22.400 --> 00:45:25.639
I really thought this out, but
it kind of has that like floating in

673
00:45:25.800 --> 00:45:31.360
space kind of vibe. That's what
I catch vibes more than I catch like

674
00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:36.840
technique is somehow I just capture ship
in a bottle sometimes, and that's well.

675
00:45:36.880 --> 00:45:38.679
The vibe in that one was wonderful, and that's I'm going to keep

676
00:45:38.679 --> 00:45:43.599
listening to that one for a very
long time. That awesome. Thank you,

677
00:45:44.400 --> 00:45:46.960
Coty Accordney. I'm so glad that
you said that it has a surf

678
00:45:47.119 --> 00:45:51.920
vibe, the surf beat, because
right there in my notes the next thing

679
00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:54.199
I want to mention was when I
listened to this, it harkens back to

680
00:45:54.400 --> 00:45:59.039
like surf rock. It has that
that that beat. So you know,

681
00:45:59.320 --> 00:46:02.800
I feel JUSTI now thank you for
that. You got it. You're yeah.

682
00:46:02.800 --> 00:46:05.719
But I don't think. I don't
think heavily about like, oh I'm

683
00:46:05.719 --> 00:46:07.360
gonna write a surf beat song or
something. It's just it's just again things

684
00:46:07.400 --> 00:46:09.920
we while we've all been an influenced
by, I don't when I think about

685
00:46:09.920 --> 00:46:14.119
influence, I don't think specific like, oh, I heard this song and

686
00:46:14.159 --> 00:46:15.519
I want to write a song just
like it there and there are people who

687
00:46:15.559 --> 00:46:19.559
do that and that's fine. But
again, stuff gets in my subconscious and

688
00:46:19.599 --> 00:46:22.000
it finds its way back out the
mutas and finds its way back out into

689
00:46:22.039 --> 00:46:25.400
your own interpretation. You know.
Yeah, Bills in Space, I feel

690
00:46:25.440 --> 00:46:29.559
like it would be right at home
on a on a Quentin Tarantino soundtrack.

691
00:46:29.880 --> 00:46:31.760
Oh man, Like that would be
like a dream, right, Oh yeah,

692
00:46:31.800 --> 00:46:35.519
awesome. I could see one of
his protagonists, like, you know,

693
00:46:35.599 --> 00:46:37.639
one of those those quiet moments,
and just hearing Bills in Space in

694
00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:40.119
the background or hearing on the radio. It just it feels. It gave

695
00:46:40.159 --> 00:46:43.599
me that kind of vibe too.
You're right though, that might be you

696
00:46:43.679 --> 00:46:46.320
know, I've I've been fortunate to
have a few songs in movies and such.

697
00:46:46.599 --> 00:46:51.000
You know, that's cool. It
gives people obviously I'm in the industries

698
00:46:51.039 --> 00:46:52.719
and some of these people like you
got a song or like hey, you

699
00:46:52.760 --> 00:46:53.360
know, would you be in this? But like we'll throw your tea in

700
00:46:53.400 --> 00:46:57.039
a shirt or whatever. Like I
have a song a little tiny movie.

701
00:46:57.079 --> 00:47:00.920
I did a cameo and called American
Bigfoot into the producer at this concert we

702
00:47:01.039 --> 00:47:07.519
just did in North Carolina. Uh. A song from Ripple Street called Going

703
00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:10.639
Places ended up being the title track
at the end of the movie, which

704
00:47:10.719 --> 00:47:14.280
means the primo spot, you know, with the titles at the end of

705
00:47:14.320 --> 00:47:16.559
the movie. So it's always cool. When I was a jazz on a

706
00:47:16.679 --> 00:47:19.679
song of mine is in a film, that's really cool. But I think

707
00:47:19.760 --> 00:47:22.880
maybe out of all the songs,
maybe you're right, maybe Bills in Space

708
00:47:22.280 --> 00:47:25.519
will be the one that would find
out home first. So maybe, so

709
00:47:25.880 --> 00:47:30.719
maybe. So that's funny you mentioned
America big Foot because I'm a big Bigfoot

710
00:47:30.760 --> 00:47:32.079
fan. I saw that. I've
not seen that movie yet, but I'm

711
00:47:32.119 --> 00:47:35.639
going to go see It's like Corney
made a big Foot movie. I gotta

712
00:47:35.639 --> 00:47:38.960
go see this. Have this little
cave I literally shot in like my backyard

713
00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:50.079
about you know, play like like, yeah, I saw Bigfoot. Right.

714
00:47:52.480 --> 00:47:57.079
One thing I've always been a fan
of and it's probably why I've just

715
00:47:57.719 --> 00:48:00.559
played Acoustic Games Volume once so much. I love the acoustic guitar. And

716
00:48:01.159 --> 00:48:38.119
let let's let's talk about the fifth
track Lookout No no, Well, well

717
00:48:38.159 --> 00:48:42.800
let's talk about acoustic guitar first.
And so I was taught so to speak,

718
00:48:42.840 --> 00:48:45.480
by a guy, and he was
a songwriter. They basically said,

719
00:48:45.559 --> 00:48:47.599
if it doesn't sound good on an
acoustic guitar or a piano, you know,

720
00:48:47.719 --> 00:48:52.119
and it's simpler, phase, it's
not really a well written song.

721
00:48:52.199 --> 00:48:54.039
And that that always kind of stuck
with me. And I've done ninety nine

722
00:48:54.440 --> 00:48:59.840
of my writing acoustically, so you
take it from there and then you you

723
00:49:00.039 --> 00:49:04.800
you expand. So that saw that
the acoustic guitar you hear, and it

724
00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:07.039
is basically that's how the song was
written. Now was the structure, and

725
00:49:07.119 --> 00:49:09.599
then of course we just we expand. But yeah, I wanted I like,

726
00:49:09.760 --> 00:49:13.760
I liked keeping it. I like
keeping some acoustic guitar and that one

727
00:49:13.800 --> 00:49:15.920
in the background, cause it just
kind of has this like a little bit

728
00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:21.360
of Spanish ye field or something.
I don't know. I don't know,

729
00:49:21.519 --> 00:49:23.880
you know again, I just started
writing this riff and then I don't know

730
00:49:23.960 --> 00:49:28.719
why that idea came to me,
but I know that when I wrote it,

731
00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:30.400
I thought, because my son,
you know, like I said,

732
00:49:30.440 --> 00:49:32.440
he does martial arts and all this
stuff, I thought he would he would

733
00:49:32.559 --> 00:49:36.760
like it because it's kind of it's
very I always now here we go.

734
00:49:36.840 --> 00:49:37.840
If you want to make another video, here we go, I said,

735
00:49:37.840 --> 00:49:40.960
this is my pitch. When I
played the I say, if I could,

736
00:49:42.039 --> 00:49:44.920
you know, some of us do
fund this video. It would be

737
00:49:45.079 --> 00:49:50.000
black and white and very film noir, because because I really think that's that's

738
00:49:50.039 --> 00:49:52.079
that's saw. I mean, the
song basically is about a box the mob

739
00:49:52.159 --> 00:49:55.360
comes in says you got to throw
a fight, right, which you've seen

740
00:49:55.400 --> 00:50:00.199
that movies a thousand times. I've
always thought about it like that would be

741
00:50:00.400 --> 00:50:05.079
fucking hard, man, that would
be really like, like you know,

742
00:50:05.239 --> 00:50:07.239
I mean, you know, there's
nothing there's really nothing more putting your ass

743
00:50:07.320 --> 00:50:09.880
on the line than getting in the
ring, right, whether it be UFC

744
00:50:10.280 --> 00:50:14.159
or boxing, right. I mean, you really it gets down to like

745
00:50:14.400 --> 00:50:15.440
just you know, I mean,
you're really risking your life, right,

746
00:50:15.519 --> 00:50:19.920
and your brains, and it takes
balls, and and you're also trying to

747
00:50:19.960 --> 00:50:22.519
hurt people's like the most primal thing. We all we all watch it because

748
00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:25.519
it's a fucking train wreck, right, and but but it takes a lot

749
00:50:25.599 --> 00:50:29.800
of guts, man, you know, and to do that and to train

750
00:50:29.920 --> 00:50:31.159
for that, and imagine trained for
that, and then you know, you

751
00:50:31.280 --> 00:50:35.360
get told last minute like now,
motherfucker, it ain't your night, you

752
00:50:35.440 --> 00:50:38.159
know, And yeah, it would
be. And one of my favorite,

753
00:50:38.440 --> 00:50:45.079
one of my favorite movies is On
the Waterfront and the film yeah yeah,

754
00:50:45.320 --> 00:50:47.679
and you know, the most famous
scene, you know, when he's like,

755
00:50:47.760 --> 00:50:51.000
you know, you're my brother,
you know, I you know,

756
00:50:51.199 --> 00:50:52.679
I could have been somebody. His
own brother who works the mod tells me

757
00:50:52.719 --> 00:50:55.599
he's gotta throw a fight, you
know what I mean, Like it like

758
00:50:55.760 --> 00:50:59.199
that was to me as one of
the you know, one of the one

759
00:50:59.239 --> 00:51:01.559
of the all time for me as
a man kind of thing, hard jerkers.

760
00:51:01.559 --> 00:51:06.239
You know, he's just like his
own brother robbed him of his fucking

761
00:51:06.320 --> 00:51:08.760
potential, you know what I mean
of what of his ability? You know,

762
00:51:08.920 --> 00:51:12.880
like there's like I don't know,
there's like I'm a sucker for people's

763
00:51:12.920 --> 00:51:15.039
ability, Like I want people to
live up to their full disability. Somebody

764
00:51:15.159 --> 00:51:19.280
taken away your ability is just to
be like, yeah, it's like fate

765
00:51:19.440 --> 00:51:22.679
is bad as are not worse than
death. So I think that that story

766
00:51:22.719 --> 00:51:25.440
has always been in there and that's
what came out. But yeah, I

767
00:51:25.480 --> 00:51:29.960
see it as a very film noir
tale because you know, like he stands

768
00:51:30.039 --> 00:51:31.519
up to him, but in the
end, does it doesn't go so well?

769
00:51:31.559 --> 00:51:35.119
Does he get out? Does he
get out? Like I don't know,

770
00:51:36.480 --> 00:51:38.159
but good fellas out in the fields
at the end there, you know,

771
00:51:38.920 --> 00:51:43.920
it's like, you know, dug
this whole for you. I was

772
00:51:44.000 --> 00:51:45.840
going to just mention for Lookout and
I know, Jeff, you've got notated

773
00:51:45.880 --> 00:51:49.239
as well. But I want to
know about the guitar solo that was in

774
00:51:49.280 --> 00:51:52.039
this song? Was that you?
Or was that guy Guy Wallace? No,

775
00:51:52.159 --> 00:51:57.440
that's guy watch great nice, yeah, really good lead. The only

776
00:51:57.519 --> 00:52:01.079
one that I play lead on is
is uh is a good times just got

777
00:52:01.159 --> 00:52:07.639
kind of got that angsty punk Yeah, but no, he does a beautiful

778
00:52:07.719 --> 00:52:12.519
building lead on that good stuff,
like the one does I like the one

779
00:52:12.559 --> 00:52:16.400
he does on the Spacey one on
Bills in space to that's pretty not Yeah,

780
00:52:17.000 --> 00:52:21.039
Dave Courtney is talking about black and
white and noir. I kind of

781
00:52:21.039 --> 00:52:22.559
feel like this is kids. You
know, you should be directing his music

782
00:52:22.639 --> 00:52:27.360
videos because I know you're You're in
post on on the one we just shot.

783
00:52:27.719 --> 00:52:31.679
Yeah, and it's so, what's
the movie? It's about a biker

784
00:52:31.760 --> 00:52:36.039
and his girlfriend who are serial killers. Nice. It's for a film festival

785
00:52:36.039 --> 00:52:39.199
here in Cincinnati. Nice. What's
it called my Suga? Yep? Okay,

786
00:52:40.280 --> 00:52:43.840
you know once once the film festival
is over, it will be put

787
00:52:43.880 --> 00:52:45.199
out everywhere for her body to see. We just can't put it out ntil

788
00:52:45.199 --> 00:52:50.679
the film festival's done, of course, Thank you. I appreciate that.

789
00:52:50.760 --> 00:52:53.639
Thanks man. So let's uh,
let's talk about biker movie because I'm ready

790
00:52:53.639 --> 00:53:00.480
to a ready. Courney is now
on the short list for all of our

791
00:53:00.519 --> 00:53:05.760
projects, and I'm okay with that. I'm very okay with it. Let's

792
00:53:05.840 --> 00:53:07.639
let's talk about good times. This
is this is how we we. Uh

793
00:53:07.840 --> 00:53:13.480
I think we skipped one anyway or
not? No lookout? Yeah yep all

794
00:53:13.559 --> 00:53:16.000
six Yeah, okay, so good
times? You know you you talked about

795
00:53:16.800 --> 00:53:21.320
your lead guitar. My first my
first note here was this one feels a

796
00:53:21.360 --> 00:53:52.320
little rowdy. Well ys go lest
too. Now that you know Verro,

797
00:53:53.239 --> 00:53:58.079
that's a sorry about around them.
Probably the longest. My first band was

798
00:53:58.119 --> 00:54:01.239
an acoustic band in the eighties when
everyone else was on the sunset straight playing

799
00:54:01.320 --> 00:54:06.800
metal. I was playing an acoustic
band in the coffeehouse scene that sort of

800
00:54:06.880 --> 00:54:13.639
emerged during that same time. Uh
and uh, even acoustically, I had

801
00:54:14.079 --> 00:54:17.079
I had a female singer I named
Shane O'Neil. We started writing songs together

802
00:54:17.159 --> 00:54:20.039
when when we were like, you
know, fifteen, sixteen years old,

803
00:54:20.039 --> 00:54:23.079
and she got a great voice,
big booming voice. Uh. This song

804
00:54:23.199 --> 00:54:28.320
even acoustically, it would get people
up dancing and get people on their feet,

805
00:54:28.320 --> 00:54:30.119
and I thought, man, if
this song works acoustically to get people

806
00:54:30.239 --> 00:54:32.440
to move, you know, when
you get it, play it, you

807
00:54:32.480 --> 00:54:35.440
know, play, you know,
play with a full band. It's gonna

808
00:54:35.480 --> 00:54:37.599
really rock. And then it ended
up like and again this one up getting

809
00:54:37.639 --> 00:54:40.679
roudy even I even cranked up the
speed on this one a little bit from

810
00:54:40.679 --> 00:54:44.960
what I initially recorded, which is
why the voice also sounds just a little

811
00:54:45.119 --> 00:54:50.079
higher. But it gave it that
just a little that little tension, you

812
00:54:50.159 --> 00:54:52.000
know. And again that song is
just me calm bullshit on a bunch of

813
00:54:52.079 --> 00:54:54.440
things like you know what's like you
think you can cheat on your old lady

814
00:54:54.440 --> 00:54:58.440
and get away with it, or
you think you can be a politician and

815
00:54:58.599 --> 00:55:00.039
fucking lie to the people. Are
think you can, you know, be

816
00:55:00.519 --> 00:55:04.440
a preacher and scam people. It's
all gonna come. It's all gonna catch

817
00:55:04.480 --> 00:55:07.360
up to your ass eventually, one
way or another. It's gonna catch up

818
00:55:07.360 --> 00:55:14.559
to your ass. Good times ain't
gonna last. That's right, great great

819
00:55:14.559 --> 00:55:16.800
harmony on this one, and oh
thank you. I feel like this is

820
00:55:16.840 --> 00:55:20.559
a song. You know, we
talked, we're talking about how it's rowdy,

821
00:55:20.639 --> 00:55:22.800
it's gritty, it's it's it's definitely
uh, it's a little Meaner,

822
00:55:22.840 --> 00:55:27.559
little louder, this is the song. Like I feel like if if the

823
00:55:27.679 --> 00:55:30.960
band is playing this song and a
fight breaks out at the bar, looks

824
00:55:30.960 --> 00:55:34.960
like the barroom brawl, like very
appropriate. You're you're, yeah, this

825
00:55:35.079 --> 00:55:38.000
is the appropriate song. Like you're
like a glass bottle flies by your head

826
00:55:38.039 --> 00:55:42.159
as you're still playing, and you
know it. That's what this one gives

827
00:55:42.199 --> 00:55:44.719
me at the at this festival.
So, you know, except we're playing

828
00:55:44.760 --> 00:55:46.960
a lot of gigs in Savannah where
it's like we're playing bars, we're playing

829
00:55:47.000 --> 00:55:51.079
restaurants where we're like background music.
Some people know that I am, don't

830
00:55:51.119 --> 00:55:52.760
they're not there to see me,
right, which is great. It's like

831
00:55:53.039 --> 00:55:58.159
it's it's a real true barometer somebody
likes slipping or something. But some of

832
00:55:58.199 --> 00:56:00.840
these lettersons are starting like this festival, people were there basically, you know,

833
00:56:00.920 --> 00:56:04.519
coming to see can this guy play
music or not? Right? Which

834
00:56:04.760 --> 00:56:07.079
I love that because I know the
I figured the bar is going to be

835
00:56:07.119 --> 00:56:10.480
pretty low because you know, I'm
an actor, right a lot. Right,

836
00:56:10.679 --> 00:56:14.599
So so but once we kick in, they realize we're good. They

837
00:56:14.639 --> 00:56:16.760
just have a good time. But
that song, that's when the front rode

838
00:56:17.000 --> 00:56:21.840
the front crowd started to like punk
Rocket. All of a sudden, they

839
00:56:21.880 --> 00:56:23.719
started started smashing into each other and
I was like, yep, this is

840
00:56:23.719 --> 00:56:27.079
like, you're right on the money, You're right in the money. Started

841
00:56:27.079 --> 00:56:30.679
getting physical, you know, I
started getting started getting thrashy, and uh,

842
00:56:30.039 --> 00:56:32.880
it's just that kind of song.
It just gets people going. And

843
00:56:34.000 --> 00:56:36.039
it's a good way to end the
album too, in my opinion. You

844
00:56:36.079 --> 00:56:37.599
know, you talked a little bit
earlier about placing the songs where they need

845
00:56:37.639 --> 00:56:42.000
to be placed to give you that
flow, just like a good movie trailer.

846
00:56:42.079 --> 00:56:44.159
You know, it's it's an art
form. You know it's gonna it's

847
00:56:44.199 --> 00:56:45.920
gonna just drive that movie for you, just like this, you know,

848
00:56:46.000 --> 00:56:50.960
placing those the songs in their order. I think this is a great song

849
00:56:51.039 --> 00:56:52.719
to end this album. Yeah,
that that one, I was pretty firm,

850
00:56:52.760 --> 00:56:54.480
and I would have doubted the one
where I probably said, no,

851
00:56:54.599 --> 00:56:58.840
it's God's got to be the end. Figure out what I real That's gotta

852
00:56:58.880 --> 00:57:00.880
be my end because it brings it
all back to the end, you know

853
00:57:00.920 --> 00:57:06.199
about what we've been saying the whole
time, all this bullshit, all this

854
00:57:06.360 --> 00:57:08.159
nonsense, y all Ben doing it
ain't gonna last one way or the other.

855
00:57:08.480 --> 00:57:12.360
Yep, you know you mentioned,
you just mentioned. You know,

856
00:57:12.519 --> 00:57:15.320
sometimes people are coming they don't know
you, or they might not recognize you.

857
00:57:15.760 --> 00:57:21.599
Do you appreciate do you sometimes appreciate
that that little bit of anonymity,

858
00:57:22.039 --> 00:57:23.920
anonymity? Oh yeah, yeah,
that's one of the things I love about

859
00:57:23.960 --> 00:57:28.119
living out here. It's an interesting
thing because there are a lot of movies

860
00:57:28.159 --> 00:57:30.679
shooting in the South. I've been
getting a lot of work. So the

861
00:57:30.840 --> 00:57:36.199
South thing, the Southeast market is
from Atlanta's the hub, but it's like

862
00:57:36.320 --> 00:57:42.320
four hundred miles in any direction from
Atlanta's considered southeast work. So like I've

863
00:57:42.400 --> 00:57:45.800
worked in I've worked in North Carolina, Florida. You know, like there's

864
00:57:45.840 --> 00:57:47.880
like a lot of places you can
get work. But there's a fair amount

865
00:57:47.880 --> 00:57:52.719
of good movies that come here to
to Savannah as well, because there's actually

866
00:57:52.760 --> 00:57:57.480
another ten percent incentive on top of
the already Georgia state incentive. So it's

867
00:57:57.519 --> 00:58:00.719
the best incentive in the country.
Problem, but it's a very specific place.

868
00:58:00.800 --> 00:58:05.920
It's good for like period movies and
things like that. Or but so

869
00:58:06.039 --> 00:58:07.960
there's big movies that come to and
be like, oh, will Smiths in

870
00:58:08.079 --> 00:58:12.360
town John Travoldis, they're looking for
those guys. They ain't looking for me,

871
00:58:12.880 --> 00:58:15.800
So I'm able to just like walk
around ninety percent of the time.

872
00:58:15.920 --> 00:58:19.280
I get more recognized in LA then
I get recognized out here. So I

873
00:58:19.599 --> 00:58:22.039
actually dig the anonymity of that.
And I and I do dig it with

874
00:58:22.119 --> 00:58:24.960
the band too, and and and
like he says, somebody, you'll see

875
00:58:25.000 --> 00:58:28.199
somebody figure it out all of a
sudden, and they'll get out their phone.

876
00:58:28.239 --> 00:58:36.199
And yeah, but but for but
by and large, it's it's it's

877
00:58:36.280 --> 00:58:37.360
tourists who are coming to town just
to have a good time and have a

878
00:58:37.440 --> 00:58:39.760
good meal and have a good drink
and just hear some good music, you

879
00:58:39.840 --> 00:58:43.599
know. So they're not they're not
coming for me per se. So I

880
00:58:44.039 --> 00:58:45.320
said, I like it because it
just gives us a chance to just do

881
00:58:45.440 --> 00:58:50.400
our thing and and work on our
skills. So that, like I said,

882
00:58:50.400 --> 00:58:53.280
we're now ramping up for gigs where
people are going to be looking to

883
00:58:53.360 --> 00:58:55.800
see us, you know. But
I want to be ready, right because

884
00:58:57.159 --> 00:58:58.679
you know, like I said,
it's gonna be there, they're gonna be

885
00:58:58.679 --> 00:59:02.719
looking like, Okay, after what
you got, that's great record. I

886
00:59:02.760 --> 00:59:06.039
got to ask you, do you
have a favorite song from this album?

887
00:59:07.039 --> 00:59:09.159
Yeah? No, that's tough.
That's I'm sure it would be, because

888
00:59:09.320 --> 00:59:13.559
they're all great. I just was
just curious if you had one that maybe

889
00:59:13.679 --> 00:59:15.599
just a little bit more of your
favorite than any of them, because I

890
00:59:15.679 --> 00:59:19.840
like them for different reasons, right, Like I like I like like you

891
00:59:19.880 --> 00:59:22.239
know, I like Bills in Space
a lot too, for the same reasons

892
00:59:22.280 --> 00:59:25.199
you were saying. And but like
like there's like I think one interview asked

893
00:59:25.199 --> 00:59:29.079
one writing interview ass which one of
the most sentimental lines. But I guess

894
00:59:29.159 --> 00:59:31.320
good times because I've had it the
longest, you know, But I would

895
00:59:31.400 --> 00:59:36.719
say, is that my favorite?
Now, I don't know fair enough pick

896
00:59:36.800 --> 00:59:39.519
your favorite kid, right, they're
right? Oh yeah, my children?

897
00:59:39.639 --> 00:59:44.760
Man, you know you've been great. Uh, you've been great on social

898
00:59:44.800 --> 00:59:46.679
media. You've you've shared some clips
like where you've been, Uh, you've

899
00:59:46.719 --> 00:59:50.239
been performing, you've been playing.
And I know when we were kind of

900
00:59:50.239 --> 00:59:52.000
setting up this this interview, you
know, you you'd mentioned like you had

901
00:59:52.039 --> 00:59:55.320
some con appearances coming up. Dave
and I usually hit like five or six

902
00:59:55.360 --> 01:00:00.320
of these cons every every every year. Where you uh, where where can

903
01:00:00.360 --> 01:00:01.599
we see you next time? Like? Where you where? Uh? Where

904
01:00:01.599 --> 01:00:06.079
are you guys? Out of We're
out Cincinnati. Oh, since you know

905
01:00:06.079 --> 01:00:08.000
Ohio. Okay, well, hopefully
I'll do what's that big show there?

906
01:00:08.000 --> 01:00:14.480
I've done it like around orhund Yeah, I hopefully'll go then right, let

907
01:00:14.519 --> 01:00:16.800
me look at it? Do I
have any wow? If you do ithounds

908
01:00:16.880 --> 01:00:21.920
yet I do, we'd love to
see you. Well. So so this

909
01:00:22.119 --> 01:00:25.159
year is like really slow because next
year is the forty at the corn right

910
01:00:25.480 --> 01:00:29.320
right? Oh yeah, right?
So the only one I'm doing right now

911
01:00:29.480 --> 01:00:32.280
this this October, which is usually
like at least almost every weekend, right

912
01:00:32.400 --> 01:00:38.880
or whatever you usually is is a
Phantasma con in uh in Connecticut at the

913
01:00:38.920 --> 01:00:43.840
Mohegan Sun Casino. Will be there
on the twenty eighth. That's and I'm

914
01:00:43.880 --> 01:00:46.639
only there. I've done like a
day, so that's that's it I's supposed

915
01:00:46.639 --> 01:00:50.199
to Usually it's like you do three
days. I'm happy one day school with

916
01:00:50.320 --> 01:00:53.000
me. But next year is the
is the Swan song Man. It's like

917
01:00:53.480 --> 01:01:00.519
fortieth anniversary. I've been doing conventions
now for horror event is now for I

918
01:01:00.519 --> 01:01:04.639
don't know, over fifteen years.
I think I think I go out on

919
01:01:04.760 --> 01:01:08.039
top. You know, I don't
want to be one of those old dudes

920
01:01:08.079 --> 01:01:12.639
they got a wheelchair in you know
that I can't stand up anymore. So

921
01:01:13.519 --> 01:01:15.280
you know, I mean, look, hey, they need the money.

922
01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:19.079
Are they enjoy the enjoy the crowd
and whatever? Cool do it? But

923
01:01:19.280 --> 01:01:21.840
I'm at I'm where, I'm like, I've had my run. It's been

924
01:01:21.960 --> 01:01:25.719
good. I'm ready to go off
into the sunset. So so, but

925
01:01:25.920 --> 01:01:30.760
next year, it's never this has
never happened before. Like I already have

926
01:01:30.159 --> 01:01:34.440
five shows booked for next year and
it's October. Now, like that doesn't

927
01:01:34.440 --> 01:01:37.079
even that does happen. So I
can tell you what those shows are if

928
01:01:37.119 --> 01:01:40.519
you want. Yeah, our listeners, I don't want to know this,

929
01:01:40.920 --> 01:01:45.960
Okay, So let's see what do
I got here? I got March twenty

930
01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:51.320
second of the twenty fourth Days of
the Dead in Chicago. Okay. I

931
01:01:51.519 --> 01:02:00.960
got May tenth and twelfth at in
Colorado. What is that? Something?

932
01:02:01.119 --> 01:02:06.400
Something Mountain Nightmares. It's another big
show that These are all big shows.

933
01:02:07.920 --> 01:02:10.320
May seventeenth of the nineteenth at Spooky
World in Florida, which is one of

934
01:02:10.360 --> 01:02:15.840
the biggest shows. I'm so I'm
sorry about that. June twenty eighth and

935
01:02:15.920 --> 01:02:22.000
thirtieth and Phoenix at the Day Is
of the Dead and Motor City Nightmares.

936
01:02:22.079 --> 01:02:24.440
July twenty sixth and twenty eighth in
Detroit. So those are the ones I

937
01:02:24.480 --> 01:02:28.679
already know for next year, which
is like not this time of year,

938
01:02:28.679 --> 01:02:30.440
I wouldn't have a clue what's happening
next year yet. So so we go

939
01:02:30.519 --> 01:02:34.119
to motor City. So Courtney,
we're gonna see We're gonna see you.

940
01:02:34.159 --> 01:02:37.000
Oh good, Yeah, good good. I think there's gonna be this this

941
01:02:37.280 --> 01:02:39.880
run for the middle half of the
year and then a big run at the

942
01:02:39.960 --> 01:02:43.480
end of the year. So it's
gonna be a lot of shows. It's

943
01:02:43.480 --> 01:02:45.280
gonna be a lot of shows,
and yeah, I'm gonna try to figure

944
01:02:45.280 --> 01:02:51.360
out how to tie in some music
stuff around around them, and also have

945
01:02:51.559 --> 01:02:58.719
a thing I'm working on where showing
like our houses kind of things, Art

946
01:02:58.719 --> 01:03:00.480
House, thirty five, Men of
Printed Corn do a Q and a band

947
01:03:00.519 --> 01:03:06.440
play VIP things beautiful. Yeah,
that's that's that's kind of in the works

948
01:03:06.480 --> 01:03:09.880
as well, but I don't have
those dates yet that that'll be kicking off

949
01:03:09.920 --> 01:03:13.119
in the new year to really kind
of lock. I'm trying. I'm trying

950
01:03:13.119 --> 01:03:15.960
to work those around these other things. You know they have like you know

951
01:03:15.119 --> 01:03:17.800
rules, like you know you signed
to do this con you know you can't

952
01:03:17.840 --> 01:03:21.920
be within four hundred miles in three
months or you know some shit. So

953
01:03:22.280 --> 01:03:24.800
got to try to work it all
out that everyone's happy. But you know,

954
01:03:24.920 --> 01:03:27.800
as much as I could tie in, you know, much as I

955
01:03:27.840 --> 01:03:30.199
could tie in, and you know, I want to be out there promoting

956
01:03:30.239 --> 01:03:34.400
this record. I mean that's that's
as important to me so h if not

957
01:03:34.519 --> 01:03:37.239
more, to be honest, So
I'm gonna be you know, way we're

958
01:03:37.239 --> 01:03:39.280
gonna be doing the two Rings,
and we don't have any dates on that

959
01:03:39.400 --> 01:03:43.039
yet either. The way we're gonna
be doing is like you know, say,

960
01:03:43.039 --> 01:03:45.079
if we can get some big thing
out in the West Coast and do

961
01:03:45.159 --> 01:03:46.360
like ten days up and down the
West coast, get in the Midwest,

962
01:03:46.519 --> 01:03:49.760
like ten days in the Midwest,
you know, like that, so that

963
01:03:50.199 --> 01:03:52.280
you know we can we can get
in there, hit and run and get

964
01:03:52.280 --> 01:03:53.199
out, because it's like I can't. It's not like I can go fur

965
01:03:53.239 --> 01:03:58.000
to do like a fucking you know, two hundred and fifty shows right in

966
01:03:58.039 --> 01:04:00.599
the world, you know, a
little leaner and meaner than that, you

967
01:04:00.679 --> 01:04:04.440
know, Yeah, seeing your schedule
for that, because I would be interested

968
01:04:04.480 --> 01:04:06.960
in coming to that for sure.
Cool. The best way to keep a

969
01:04:08.039 --> 01:04:11.000
track of that's going to be just
joined the f Get on the Facebook page

970
01:04:11.000 --> 01:04:14.119
for the Courtney Gains group because that's
where that's stuff will be posted. Yes,

971
01:04:14.360 --> 01:04:16.159
I'm telling you right now. The
I'm telling you right now the idea

972
01:04:16.239 --> 01:04:25.320
that you're you're you're proposing like where
you can watch watch Corn a couple of

973
01:04:25.320 --> 01:04:29.559
those left in the world. So
you you presenting that giving us a little

974
01:04:29.599 --> 01:04:33.400
Q and A and playing and giving
us some music that's intense. Man,

975
01:04:33.480 --> 01:04:41.320
that that's the woven win win.
You know, I'm a you know this

976
01:04:41.519 --> 01:04:43.960
this kind of reminds me, you
know, because we we went to Horror

977
01:04:44.000 --> 01:04:49.360
Hound earlier this year. It's a
great show. I happened to, you

978
01:04:49.440 --> 01:04:54.519
know, I took a wrong turn
and went down the hallway and ended up

979
01:04:54.519 --> 01:05:00.920
having a conversation with with Tommy Howe
and yeah, yep, great guy.

980
01:05:00.360 --> 01:05:04.000
And we you know, we we
kind of talked mostly about his music,

981
01:05:04.280 --> 01:05:12.039
you know, because yeah, oh
he's he's uh uh, it's fantastic.

982
01:05:13.760 --> 01:05:15.440
I'm talking well, you know,
yeah, I mentioning it. I mentioned

983
01:05:15.480 --> 01:05:18.239
it now because like when I when
I think of your music, I think

984
01:05:18.280 --> 01:05:23.079
of his music, and then you're
talking about Corn thirty print. I'm like,

985
01:05:23.199 --> 01:05:26.239
Okay, you know it ain't my
place. But now I'm thinking,

986
01:05:26.719 --> 01:05:30.920
let's get the tour where these guys
are performing together, you know, maybe

987
01:05:30.000 --> 01:05:34.239
showing maybe maybe we see Korn,
maybe we see the Hitcher and like,

988
01:05:34.360 --> 01:05:38.920
you know, sounds like you might
have to produce an event of my friend.

989
01:05:40.159 --> 01:05:43.920
All right. Sounds like to me, Dave, Courtney Gaines is putting

990
01:05:44.000 --> 01:05:45.159
us to work. Man. We're
doing all kinds of stuff and I dig

991
01:05:45.239 --> 01:05:47.920
it. Man, I'm I'm the
master of people are like, you know

992
01:05:48.039 --> 01:05:50.159
what you should do. I'm like, yeah, guess, granny, do

993
01:05:50.159 --> 01:05:57.280
what you should do? Courtney?
Can we can we talk a couple of

994
01:05:57.360 --> 01:06:00.880
questions about the about your film career. If you have time, let's do

995
01:06:00.000 --> 01:06:03.079
it. Absolutely. I appreciate all
the music talk, but by all means

996
01:06:03.159 --> 01:06:06.119
you know, you're a movie thing. Let's talk movies. Let's talk folks.

997
01:06:11.000 --> 01:06:14.679
Well, that's all the time we
have for today. Join us this

998
01:06:14.880 --> 01:06:19.199
Friday when we conclude our interview with
Courtney Gaines, where the focus will be

999
01:06:19.280 --> 01:06:24.920
on his films and he'll share some
great behind the scenes stories. We'll see you then