The Music and Movies of Courtney Gains: Part Two

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All right, we are back,
Courtney. Are you ready? It's about

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to shift to a music by Courtney
games, not a film by podcast.

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Yes, that's right. It wouldn't
have it any other way. Courtney.

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H Courtney. Can we can we
talk a couple of questions about the about

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your film career if you have time. Oh, let's let's do it.

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Absolutely. I appreciate all the music
talk, but by all means, you

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know, you're a movie thing.
Let's talk movies. Let's talk about this.

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My first question would have to be
of all the incredible characters that you've

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played, if you had the opportunity, which one would you want to play

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again? Oh? God, the
one's ever asked that quite, Like,

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what's your favorite? What we're going
to play again? Yeah? I maybe

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would have to go with this Benny
Bliss. Guy. I know it's not

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a big movie. The know,
you guys haven't seen it yet, but

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I think when you see it you'll
see why because it was just a ton

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of fun. It was like ninety
BROV. So it was like you were

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just a couple of these crazy scenarios
and do them and and then we got

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to play. I got to play
rock music, you know, like with

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like a killer ass band in the
movie, So it was like there was

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a lot of good reasons to have
fun. I would say, I have

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to. I probably did play Benny
Bliss again. That would probably be I

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was hoping it was gonna spawn off
a couple of sequels. I really did

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because I thought it'd be so fun
to just keep going with this this character

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with his anti technology message. You
know, we're definitely gonna check this one

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out because it sounds wonderful, and
I recommend seeing the trailer too, But

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the trailers might be better than the
movie though. All right, fair enough?

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Uh, Courney, is there a
is there a role that you passed

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on that maybe looking back now you're
like, I should have I should have

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done that one. Now, that's
not really ever happened. I've never was

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really in the position to pass on
something so great that it turned out to

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be great and going I should have
done that. I think there's certainly projects

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I didn't get or didn't think that
we're gonna be great that turned out to

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be great, though. You just
never know what's gonna hit and what's not,

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you know, or even projects I've
been in there I maybe not thought

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we're gonna turn out so good.
That did our projects I thought were going

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to be great that then stunk.
Like you just never know. There's no

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way you can try to hedge your
bets as much as you can. But

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like you know, my theory is
you can just put a monkey as the

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head of the studios to pick movies
and they do just as well as these

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guys. Yeah, yep, this
is so true. So Courtney, I've

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got a question for you. Yeah, Jeff and I are like huge and

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I mean huge burb fans love We
love the Burbs very very much. And

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we'll talk about more about that a
little bit. But towards the end of

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The Birds, when Hans is running
from the ambulance and Runsfield played by the

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wonderful Bruce Dern, a great line, Hey, Pinocchio, where do you

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think you're going? And he chases
after you, but his feet slip out

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from underneath him and he slides into
you, knocking you, knocking you down?

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Was that intentional or was that by
accident? It has been driving me

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crazy, that's how easy was so
well? First off, the line was

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an improv. Bruce is a master
of observation and improv. He's he's watched

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him work is something else and uh
I'm a big fan. So uh so

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that line is a great line,
just came out of his observation looking at

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him with the freaking hat and the
leader is obvious, right right, because

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I was never dressed like that fully
at the other time you saw me,

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if you think, yeah, right, so, but the the that is

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a stunt. That whole thing he
saw the stunt are those are two stunts?

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That's not okay, fair enough?
I think, I know, I

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know my parts is stunt. Maybe
he did the maybe he did the other

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part, but that wasn't me.
They got clopp or dang. Well we're

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we I mean because every time we've
seen it, we always we always have

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that talk and we're like, that's
just amazing that they caught that on camera,

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Like and I hope yeah, hoop, uh hoope Corny didn't get hurt.

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I hope Bruce turned didn't it get
Bruce. I can't remember. I

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know that was a stunt guy doing
for me. I remember that far.

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Well. It's good to know.
Finally, So thank you, Corte.

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I appreciate that. What o your
burbs guy, what else you got?

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You know, you gotta talk burbs
yeah, well before we get more into

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the burbs. Uh, And I
apologize. I hope we're not getting too

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obscure with some of your films.
But no, no, no, no,

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no, no, no no no. I was just I was just

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like, you have a list,
you're ready, You're very prepared. I

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got to ask you because this is
one novel. Was like, I was

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like, you know, if I
ever get to talk to this guy,

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I'd love to ask him this question. You did a you did a film

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called Hard Bodies. Yeah, and
at the end, you know, you're

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in this really animated moment and they're
like, what is he doing? And

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you know, they're like, he
is flipping you off in forty different languages?

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Like was that? Is there any
truth to that? Is it was

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that just you pantomiming? Or is
like or can Courtney Gains really flip us

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off in forty different languages? So
what happened was so the director was a

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guy named Mark Griffiths, and I
used to take a class and hit with

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him and the guy who casted Geno
Havens. And Mark was one of the

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first people to like become a fan
and was like, I'm gonna put this

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kid to work, right, So
I was supposed to do a movie for

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him called Lucky thirteen with Stuart Margolan
that they actually wrote for me and I

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was underage and I went to do
a commercial and they panicked and then gave

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it to Eric Stilts. That's a
whole story to itself. But so the

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follow up movie, well that he
got was a Roger Carman movie called Hard

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Bodies and his he he did a
lot of low budget features, but his

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requirements were that he can do a
rewrite on the scripts, which I think

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is a good idea for a right
you're gonna do a low budget film,

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right, would get it the way
you want it. And then he also

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prepared. If he's running behind,
he tear pages out. He's like,

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he knows what he has to do
to get a B movie done right.

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But so he wrote that role.
He rewrote that role with me in mine.

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So as soon as I got back
from Trot to the Corner, I

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had to go to Concord Studios,
which is like a parking lot down in

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Venice Beach. Just like at least
the studio you've ever seen. It's Roger

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Carman, right, mean and mean
right. So I had to go in

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there in one of the little trailers
and audition. But it was basically it

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was mine to like lose at that
point, right, I would have had

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to just like choke, you know. So I got the gig and and

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one of the first things he told
me was like, so I wrote this

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part you know where you gotta write
flip people out in forty languages, figure

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it out. So that gave me
like a month, you know, which

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was a good a good heads up. So I just started asking everybody and

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anybody I knew, like, you
know, what are the different like how

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do you flip people off in different
ways? Like blah blah blah. What

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a time. It's like good because
I started writing you all these things down

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and kind of like a song,
I looked at him and put him in

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an order. I'm like, so
for here, where do we go from

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here? Oh we can go here
right, like you know, I started

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to choreograph this thing, and and
then you know, when I did it

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place, you know, it is
like holy shit. Still get asked this

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day, right, can you flip
me off for forty languages? And I'm

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like, no, you pay me
enough, it'll come to me. Yeah,

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I'll tell you right now. I
remember like when we were when we

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were younger, like me and my
buddies, we we would wear that VHS

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tape out because we would try to
slow it down and watch it and learn.

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Also, that's awesome the power of
movies. Man, you can just

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can't underestimate, like the influence like
this. You would take the time,

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you and your buddy would take the
time, like we're gonna figure this thing

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out. This is hilarious. I
love it, absolutely love it. Yeah,

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my great uncle was a tail gunner
in World War Two, so I've

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always had a fascination with you know, history, but you know, World

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War Two. What was it like
working on Memphis Bell that started at McVeigh

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well, Memphis Bell for all all
the guys, at least all the guys

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I ever see when I run into
them. I think it sort of was

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one of the pinnacles of our career
We've been chasing in an amazing experience like

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that again, because it was just
top not you know, on every level,

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you know what I mean. We
got to go to the UK and

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you know, be there for three
months, you know, hanging out in

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London. We got to work at
famous Pinewood studios, you know what I

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mean. You know, for the
people that were in production had oscars,

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you know, the producer, the
cinematographer, the production designer and the editor.

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I mean, that's never happened since
that I'm anything I've been involved in

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that. I'm aware that that level
of I mean, some of the best

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people in England, you know,
we're in we're working on that movie,

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you know. And then not to
mention, some of the best young actors

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of that generation were in the movie
too. It was the it was the

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movie to get that year for a
young actor, like everybody wanted it,

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and they basically were like, well, we can't afford to have all stars

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and the things, we'll pick our
four or five top guys that we think

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our money makers won't pick, a
mid level and a lower level. Got

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me in on the lower level,
and I kind of got kind of two

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things happened to help me get that
job. One was I was you know,

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I was smart to like, go, okay, what are the if

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I'm coming in here, what do
these guys want? They want some team

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players, they want some ensemble players. Right, That's I'm not you know,

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I'm not. I'm working, but
I'm not you know, I'm not

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champagne. Right, So you wanted
in on it too, right, So

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it's like, Okay, they're looking
for some team players on my level.

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So I happen to be part of
a really, really good theater company called

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the Friends and Artists Theater Ensemble in
la that was like the best, one

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of the best theater companies in town. And so I walked and we were

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doing Bomb and Gilly, which is
a very Landford Willis is a very tough

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play if you know the play.
But the dialogue there'll be it's like all

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these people like on the street and
in this in this cafe, like in

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the middle of the night the Needle
Park in New York, and there's like

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conversations going on here, and there's
conversations going on here that you have to

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time your dialogue against other people's conversations. And when you do it right,

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there's a conversation in the conversation.
If the audience is listening, you hit

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it right. It took months and
months to prepare and we ended up we

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ended up winning Best Ensemble the Drama
LOGU Awards that year and all that stuff.

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The guy named sal Romeo is that
the the director and he's one of

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my mantors. I studied with him
for a long time, Stella out of

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their technique and stuff. He's like, you know, Statslavsky, He's like

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the man in LA. So when
I walked in and he said, how

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you doing, I said, ensemble
is my forte. I am one of

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the best ensemble theater companies in town. Right now. We're doing Bomb and

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Gilead, one of the toughest plays
you could do. And he was like

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The director was like, wow,
that's really refreshing. He's like, he's

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like in New York, all they
want to know about is like, what's

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the script. In LA they want
to know what's the part for me.

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So so my audition was all right, but that left a really good impression

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on him. And then something lucky
happened, and that was Patrick Dempsey was

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a little hotter at that point already
his tape went in for audition for the

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for auditioning and my scene you know
you shot on my house scene was in

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it. Oh wow, which was
great for me. And he's and he

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sawd me there when he cast me. He said, that's what I did.

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He said, seeing see seeing you
and Patrick Dempsey's tape, I was

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like, thank you Patrick, Thank
you? Yeah. Nice. So so

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it was just an amazing, amazing
experience. I mean, uh, you

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know, just just like I said, top notch on on every level.

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You know, that's all I can
really say. It's a great film.

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I love it. I'm proud of
it. I'm that's for sure. Ye

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it is. You mentioned you mentioned
Sean Penn wanting in on it. Now

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obviously obviously he does get in on
Colors. Can you tell us a little

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bit about a big way? Yeah, in a big way. How was

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how was your experience working on on
the on the set of Colors interesting?

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And that's that's what I would have
to say to that. So let's see

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where do I begin. So Gerardo
me he and I worked on three movies

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in a row together, a movie
called Winner and Take All. Then we

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worked on Count by Me Love,
and then we do Colors, right,

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like, literally three movies in a
row. So when we were shooting in

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Arizona doing Count Count by Me Love, at this point we got to know

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each other quite a bit. You
know, he started out as a pop

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locker, you know, from from
the hood. You know, worked as

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a dancer and worked his way up
and he knew that I was, you

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know, I grew up in tough
neighborhoods in La you know. And he

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knew that. So when he got
the script, he's like, Cordia Cardi,

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you're not gona believe man, there's
a white boy in the gang.

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I'm going to for this character.
You gotta get it on this. And

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I knew there were white boys in
the gangs, but I didn't think anybody

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would ever ever ever put that in
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called my manager, Virgil, and
it's just my Virgil Fry. He actually

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had a long standing relationship with Dennis
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how far they went back. So
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I hear you know you're looking for
a guy. They're like, yeah,

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we're having a lot of trouble finding
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is my best actor, best trained
dude. You like, you know,

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you gott to see him when he
gets back in town. So when I

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got seen, when I got back
in town, I went and took At

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this point, I was taking like
general meetings. When you're on at a

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certain level, you don't have audition
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Sometimes but at that point I was
kind of hot and they were having

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trouble, so I just came in
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like, so you know this stuff, and I'm like, yeah, I

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grew up in this stuff. Blah
blah blah blah. Five and at ten

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minutes later they gave me the job. So that was that now, getting

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so that was getting the job was
the easiest part. Jennis Opera is a

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genius man, like he really is, and like he was the one who

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was like, make this about He
lived in a part of Venice Beach that

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was called ghost Town. That's a
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It was like a really really rough
part of LA like don't go there at

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night kind of stuff. So he
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He said, make this cop movie
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So that was his genius, you
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that was going on in La that
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was, you know, everybody about
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like that was a real thing.
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you know, Dennis opera's kind of
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a target on my back a little
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guy. And nobody pushed my buttons
more in Jennis Opera. But nobody got

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more out of me than Jennis Opera. Like, my character is eighty sixth

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on the credit sheet. Okay,
eighty six you know what I mean.

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That's like, I'm not most movies
I'm in don't have eighty six people,

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right, act it's the eighty sixth
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a it's not a you know,
it's not the guy in this thing.

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But I also was was was very
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I've been working steady. He he
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like, but then if you didn't
do what he liked, he fucking yell

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at you. Right. So,
but I would play the moment that you're

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letting, you're leaving it open.
I'm playing. I'm not trying to steal

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scenes or anything, because I'm not
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but I'm playing the moment. But
he had the other actors, so some

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of the younger actors so scared they
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there and try to stay out of
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this is because this is so.
The first scene we shot was at the

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at the the the power plant that
you know, when Gerardo me he has

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seen you know me me metalist,
you know Numero Uno, Holmes and all

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that, right, his first day
on set, and he has his fucking

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monologue. That's a tough thing,
right, But so Dennis Hopper, So

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Dennis Opper calls us into the room. We're all there, excited to meet

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Denis Opper. I'm gonna have a
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sitting there already to go off,
excited meeting this hop and He's like,

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this fucking scene means a lot to
me, man, because they think I'm

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making a fucking cop movie, but
I'm making a movie about the gangs,

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you understand. And I mean he's
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right right. And and then we
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parts where it's where it's Gerardo's monologue
and it's not going well, and it's

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just like it's just you know,
it's just and and no Is it's not

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going well, but Dennis Oper's not
saying nothing. He's like, just do

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it again, do it again,
do it again. And fucking Gerardo starts

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to fucking crumble a little bit,
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first day, Dennis Hopper, it's
going not going, and he's not

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giving him anything, and he's,
you know, he's my butt at this

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point, right, So he starts
looking at me like, Corty, what

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the fuck should I do? So
I walk over him and I start talking.

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I give him, I give him
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I said, but you know,
I've been I've been teaching acting at this

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point some and been studying for like, you know, a long time.

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And and he Tennis Hopper sees me
and he just came in by my character's

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name. He goes, why get
the fuck away from my actor. I'm

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like, oh, I walk away, and then fucking Gerardo nails it.

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He's like and he just looks at
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him? Like he is a good
job or he's like like, what the

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fuck t you are? Oh man? He would fucking throw shit at me

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like he's right before the scene on
the PCP I'm in the back and he

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called me. Why do he get
get the fuck over here? He goes,

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O, hey stand right there,
the spoozer, if you're on PCP,

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let's go. I'm like, what
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prep, no, nothing right.
I had like fucking ten seconds tous

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fucking gangsters and fucking cops, like
what's PCP like? And then I just

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do that moment and I just happened
to fucking flip. You know, I

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was relaxed, and I just you
know, relac and he comes out,

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good fucking job. Why ain't and
then storm. That's how he was the

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whole time, you know, like
he was crazy. I'm telling you,

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he saw me playing. He went
to go to the bathroom one time.

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He sees me playing my guitar and
a trailer scene at the end, why

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do he get your fucking guitar?
You know, like, oh, nothing

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got past that dude, you know
what I mean? Yeah, yeah,

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nothing, I mean he got I
mean he saw everything. You know,

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he saw me play guitar, once
filed it away, saw a spot for

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it. I mean, how cool
a fucking solo playing guitar in a fucking

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movie Like that's just so like not
what you're supposed to do and it's so

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cool. People still to this day
track try to track me down to where

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they get that song. I'm like, I didn't write that song. The

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girl did. It's got love guaranteed. I don't know ask her, but

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but that that just just he added
an artistic flavor, even to clos you

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know, and like if you look
at the movie, he gets every good

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mural in Los Angeles. He he
has the car crash into a fake watch

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towers and you know, one of
the most famous art installations in Los Angeles.

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He yeah, but man, he's
not easy to brothers that there's like

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that, Dennis apparant I thought you'd
like I did. I loved it.

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Uh, definitely love the Hopper impersonation. You know that that speaks that speaks

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to your craft though, because you
know, you might have been eighty six

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on the call sheet here, but
you're one of the You're one of the

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more rememberable moments from that film because
it's just there's not how many white guys

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are in gangs. That's why I
want to represent because I knew there was

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I grew up with. I always
tell people there was a guy I went

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to grammar school with it was a
gang banger high school named Billy Red.

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He was the redheaded gang banger.
I was always like that dude must have

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flipped out when he saw that movie
because he's like, yeah, well recording

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man, that's there's still still my
ship. I'm like, yead, damn

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right, I still have your ship. That's right. That's what it was

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like. I'm when you're watching it, you're thinking, Okay, these are

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some these are some really badass people. But how badass does this guy have

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to be to be the one white
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my pages, I saw that it
was showed like for like, you know,

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white dudes in gang banger movies,
like why is the white guy?

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I always got to be just a
little bit crazier. Yep. Absolutely,

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I was to represent because, like
I said, I knew, I knew

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that was real stuff. I knew
that Dennis Oppera was going to do the

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first real movie about that culture because
all the movies I ever saw before that

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were all crap. And you know, he really did. He really caught

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and it broke out. West Coast
rap. West coast rap was not a

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thing before then, yep. And
he was, you know, significant in

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a lot of ways. Very influential, There's no doubt about that. Yeah,

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So I've got to say, I
want to go back because there goes

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the goddamn Brownies, and I want
to I want to talk about your experience

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on the Burbs. What was it
like working with Joe Dante? Because I

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love all of his work, I'm
a big fan of his. What was

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Number one? Joe's a nice you
know, really nice guy and encouraging.

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And number two, he knew,
he knew what he wanted from me.

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Like again, that was we just
took a meeting and I don't know what

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I said or why he picked me
out of everybody he could pick. I

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have no idea. Uh, we
just talked. I gave him I guess

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a little bit of an interpretation,
and then he cast me, which was

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awesome. But he knew a lot
of what he wanted. So it was

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like more than like say like hard
bodies. You know, I had an

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idea of what I wanted to do
with the wardrobe. The wardrobe woman lived

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in Hermosa beach, which is like
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You're like more you know, upper
class white. She's like, no,

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this is the way my kid the
kids dress. I'm like, I

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ain't doing that, Like I I'm
wearing the cut off ops and the and

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the cut off hang ten shirts and
like these kind of skate more like skate

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rat than surfer guy. And we
know, and we butted heads, but

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then the director went my way because
you know, he liked what I was

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doing. And so there are times
were I'll butt heads with people about things,

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but it was it wasn't there was
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He just knew. He's like,
Okay, go to this person.

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They're gonna make your teeth. And
then when you're done, come see me.

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Go to this person. They're gonna
cut your hair like this. And

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go to this person they're gonna make
it. They're gonna make you custom clothes.

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Here's here's the here's the swath I
picked. I like, take it

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to him, you know, and
and and then and I come back like

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you days where they make it tea
a week later with the teeth on or

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put the haircut by then, and
he just started laughing and he'd be like,

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you're never gonna work again. And
he go like, okay, I

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want you to come up with this
like like Norwegian like language. But I

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don't want to be any one like
don't do it like it's like it has

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to be like underscript like, so
they don't know exactly what it is.

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So I'm like, okay, so
that I would like go get tapes and

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kind of learn a couple of different
things and kind of come up with my

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own thing. But he was very
specific like that. He built the characters,

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and by the time I came on
the set as far as physically what

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I look like and all those things, it already was very much uh,

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you know, presented. The biggest
credit I take for the character is is,

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uh, sometimes people actor, especially
like someone like Dustin Hoffman almost always

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does the works. Was they call
it animal essence, and he played like

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ratso Rizzo. He's a fucking a
rat. Right. If you look,

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you can see it, you know
what I mean, He's like, hey,

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but an analysts can really inform your
rhythm, your you know. So

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I chose with that particular character to
be a you know, a deer in

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the headlights, because yeah, he's
a stranger in a strange land, right,

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and when you look at it,
it's there, you can really you

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can really see it. It really
plays th that's the you know, the

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unspoken subtext or whatever of that character. And I think it it really informs

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most of everything that happens to him
or how he reacts to people, interacting

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with them and stuff like that.
And it worked, you know, it

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worked. That's uh, it absolutely
does. Because I'm thinking right now,

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like, uh, you know how
how gentle Bonnie is with Hans and you

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know that must have been very hard. He's so skittish, you know,

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You're right, it's the deer in
headlight. Yeah, and that wasn't something

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I don't even think that was written
that I reacted like that or whatever.

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It was just that was just where
he's coming from. And you know,

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so work with Joe's great. I've
got to work with him a few times,

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and I'd work with him again anywhere
anytime if he wants to, you

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know, he makes a call,
I'd be there. I like him a

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lot, so, and you know, the cast, I mean, it

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was obviously the biggest challenge for me
was was trying to not know who these

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people were as is the character,
because they were all people that was like,

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you know, grew up with right
and and and and and admired and

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and and and you know, certainly
Tom Hanks fan, he's like the greatest,

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obviously Tom X, he's the great. He's the most down the earth

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a list actor you're ever going to
be, period. That's what it is.

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He's just he's just god buying the
hype, you know what I mean.

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He just loves the work and he
does the work. And that when

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you have that guy as the top
guy in the show, keeps everybody else

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grounded, you know what I mean. You can't get weany if he isn't,

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you know what I mean. So
it's like great, but my guy

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was one guy was Bruce Druse right, like I I grew you know,

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Bruce Darren plays the best son of
a bitch you're ever gonna sing, right,

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He's he's a master of the son
of a bitch. Right And and

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uh so the trash Cans scene after
No No, No, No, the

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scene, the scene when we came
out. The first time I see him,

407
00:23:55.880 --> 00:23:57.240
I go to the mailbox. After
that, he came up to me

408
00:23:57.319 --> 00:24:00.079
and he and he's like time started
to me under his wing and he just

409
00:24:00.119 --> 00:24:03.160
he just likes he's like I like
because he called me hot Himes. That

410
00:24:03.319 --> 00:24:10.559
was good. To work, Hans
and but he really opened up, you

411
00:24:10.559 --> 00:24:14.319
know, and he really and it
meant the world to me that he him

412
00:24:14.359 --> 00:24:18.000
recognizing my work and liking where I
was going, gave me all the confidence

413
00:24:18.000 --> 00:24:22.079
in the world that I was onto
something, because you know, if Bruce

414
00:24:22.160 --> 00:24:26.119
Durn's catching it, it's got to
be it's got to be great and the

415
00:24:26.160 --> 00:24:30.640
biggest, the coolest thing he ever
he said some cooler what I I was

416
00:24:30.680 --> 00:24:32.759
so ridiculous. I don't want to
say it. They was so cool,

417
00:24:32.759 --> 00:24:34.960
but I'll say this one. So
I was talking about you. I don't

418
00:24:34.960 --> 00:24:37.680
know if I was fully in the
moment, blah blah blah. And he

419
00:24:37.720 --> 00:24:40.799
lived at me late He's like,
I'm lucky if I'm in the moment about

420
00:24:40.920 --> 00:24:45.039
twenty percent of the time. And
he goes and uh, and he started

421
00:24:45.079 --> 00:24:49.839
talking about the woman in Tripped the
Bountiful who's like one of the greatest actresses,

422
00:24:49.920 --> 00:24:53.440
Geraldine Page. He goes, I
studied with Geraldine Page, you know,

423
00:24:53.440 --> 00:24:56.799
I mean, like with the students, you know, he goes,

424
00:24:56.839 --> 00:24:59.839
you know, she's the greatest actor. She's baby, I'm like fifty sixty

425
00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:02.920
said the time. And I was
like, oh my god, Like I

426
00:25:02.960 --> 00:25:04.960
don't have to be like any I
don't have to judge, like I should

427
00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:10.000
be one hundred percent great all the
time. If these guys can't do it,

428
00:25:10.599 --> 00:25:11.920
I don't have to do it.
And it like freed me up so

429
00:25:12.119 --> 00:25:15.200
much. And now, as an
actor's been at it, like, you

430
00:25:15.200 --> 00:25:19.039
know, forty years, if I
have one good moment in a scene,

431
00:25:19.119 --> 00:25:22.279
I'm thankful, you know what I
mean. Like I'm like, oh,

432
00:25:22.319 --> 00:25:23.599
I found something, you know what
i mean. Like in the beginning,

433
00:25:23.599 --> 00:25:26.440
I was like, I have to
be oh great all the time, you

434
00:25:26.440 --> 00:25:30.039
know, But when Bruce Dern's like, give it a rest, kid,

435
00:25:30.119 --> 00:25:34.200
that just that just gave me.
You know, that just made me feel

436
00:25:34.200 --> 00:25:37.559
so much better about myself and my
work. But I got to work with

437
00:25:37.640 --> 00:25:41.240
him again on a movie called Held
Lizers that came out a couple years ago,

438
00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:42.119
and it was so great to see
him again and to be able to

439
00:25:42.160 --> 00:25:47.039
actually tell him how much it meant
to me when he took me laying on

440
00:25:47.039 --> 00:25:49.039
the verbs. You know, it
was a really And he's still in the

441
00:25:49.079 --> 00:25:52.720
scene. We have some scenes and
he just kicks my ass. Man.

442
00:25:52.440 --> 00:25:56.559
He's seven years old, and he's
just like I can't keep up with him.

443
00:25:56.559 --> 00:25:59.720
You know, he's improv in his
observa, he just kicks my ass,

444
00:26:00.119 --> 00:26:02.359
and I'm just the same time,
I'm going, look at buce D

445
00:26:02.559 --> 00:26:07.720
kicking my ass. I don't normally
get my ass kicked, you know what

446
00:26:07.759 --> 00:26:11.240
I mean, I just don't.
And yeah, he if it was if

447
00:26:11.400 --> 00:26:12.799
I always tell people, like,
you know, if you're fucking acting was

448
00:26:12.839 --> 00:26:15.559
boxing, you don't want to get
in the ring with me, I would

449
00:26:15.559 --> 00:26:18.480
not want to get in the ring
with him. Okay, yeah, absolutely,

450
00:26:18.039 --> 00:26:22.759
as I have to imagine that being
on set on a film like this

451
00:26:23.799 --> 00:26:26.319
has got a lot of fun times. I mean, you know, I

452
00:26:26.319 --> 00:26:30.720
mean aside and I'm talking about like
just people's good nature, Like you know,

453
00:26:30.759 --> 00:26:33.559
you're you're working with Brick Dukeman,
you got Tom Hanks, you got

454
00:26:33.559 --> 00:26:36.640
Corey Feldman. I got it.
There's gotta be a lot of laughter on

455
00:26:36.640 --> 00:26:38.200
the set, right Well, it
was. It was kind of and I

456
00:26:38.240 --> 00:26:41.640
don't say camps, but it kind
of was. It was kind of like

457
00:26:41.720 --> 00:26:45.880
because Dukeman and Hanks and then they're
kind of their own little group, right

458
00:26:45.880 --> 00:26:48.279
there were the actual so they were
they were doing a lot of scenes together,

459
00:26:48.359 --> 00:26:51.640
hanging with themselves. Corey hung up
by himself a lot. He really

460
00:26:51.680 --> 00:26:55.240
hang out and I hang out with
like I hung up with Brother Theodore a

461
00:26:55.279 --> 00:27:00.720
lot, Yes, and which was
you know, Larry Bretherm is the one

462
00:27:00.759 --> 00:27:06.799
of the producers. It was also
a big time manager for act comedic actors

463
00:27:06.839 --> 00:27:11.640
like Robin Williams and like that.
He's the one who got got He was

464
00:27:11.680 --> 00:27:15.680
a big Brother Theodore fan, you
know from his his his stage show in

465
00:27:15.720 --> 00:27:17.720
New York that he did for years
called The Brother the Theater or a few

466
00:27:17.720 --> 00:27:19.039
and he's like, I don't know
if you're gonna get along with this guy.

467
00:27:19.079 --> 00:27:22.119
He's like, so, do you
have any problems? He's let me

468
00:27:22.200 --> 00:27:26.440
know. He's not that guy.
He comes off like that's that's his act.

469
00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:30.680
You know. He's this actually very
intelligent guy who came from some sort

470
00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:33.119
of level of royalty from where became
Romania or whatever. So he's very cultured

471
00:27:33.160 --> 00:27:40.160
and he used that character as a
platform to talk about his political angst issues.

472
00:27:40.200 --> 00:27:44.200
It's very brilliant really, and like
the guy I said, the slough

473
00:27:44.240 --> 00:27:45.559
he was, he'd like, we
played chess and he'd like he would spot

474
00:27:45.599 --> 00:27:47.839
you a queen. You're like,
oh he did that, and then he

475
00:27:47.920 --> 00:27:49.200
whip your ass every time, you
know, like he'd be like, okay,

476
00:27:49.200 --> 00:27:53.039
I guess I do. I can't
even beat you without a queen,

477
00:27:53.119 --> 00:27:57.000
you know. But he would just
tell these wonderful stories and stuff. And

478
00:27:57.200 --> 00:28:00.240
I think the thing that worked for
him him on films, and he hadn't

479
00:28:00.240 --> 00:28:03.599
done films at that point. He's
getting a little older, he was harder,

480
00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:07.480
getting a little harder hearing. M
That's why every day is that's loud

481
00:28:08.759 --> 00:28:14.519
work perfect for the character. It
was one of the things I filed away

482
00:28:14.599 --> 00:28:15.680
like one you know, the one
day I'm gonna have a I'm gonna do

483
00:28:15.680 --> 00:28:18.039
a character that I'm gonna make that
choice that you know, especially as they

484
00:28:18.039 --> 00:28:32.519
get older, right, they can't
hear, so everything's like that's dam I

485
00:28:32.559 --> 00:28:34.759
know. I know. We have
talked about this over the years multiple times.

486
00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:40.279
But the idea of of of seeing
the Hans character, you know,

487
00:28:40.400 --> 00:28:44.799
come back, come back and follow
up where he's like the head of the

488
00:28:44.799 --> 00:28:47.920
household. Now, okay, I
got the craziest idea. All right,

489
00:28:48.319 --> 00:28:55.960
let's hear this. So Hans gets
out of prison and now he's on his

490
00:28:56.000 --> 00:29:00.400
own, and see he moves to
the suburbs. He moves into a black

491
00:29:00.440 --> 00:29:06.160
suburbs and it's called the blurbs.
Oh my god, ya, oh my

492
00:29:06.319 --> 00:29:11.759
lord. But it's like all the
same ship, right, Like they're all

493
00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:17.680
going, who's this dude? Like
this freaks, all the same stuff,

494
00:29:17.680 --> 00:29:22.240
but it's just black folk. Oh
my gosh, that would be great.

495
00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:26.119
It would be I think he at
least do a short of them. Yeah,

496
00:29:26.240 --> 00:29:29.920
it would be for those who are
Burbs fans, it would be absolutely

497
00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:34.480
hilarious. Yeah. Can you imagine
like a sort of a black parad the

498
00:29:34.519 --> 00:29:41.559
Booster character or the Oh my lord, you know we we recently we talked

499
00:29:41.559 --> 00:29:45.200
with ozrod Riguez, you know,
he you know, had a great stint

500
00:29:45.200 --> 00:29:47.920
on front of your die. This
sounds like what you're what you're suggesting,

501
00:29:47.920 --> 00:29:51.359
sounds like a great skit for fun
of your die, Like I gotta,

502
00:29:51.359 --> 00:29:52.279
I gotta, I gotta hit him
up and say, hey, listen,

503
00:29:52.359 --> 00:29:56.599
I was talking to Courtney. I
think it would be the most funnier.

504
00:29:57.160 --> 00:30:00.559
It would be the most hilarious.
I think that would be hilarious. I

505
00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:03.680
don't know, you know, I
don't know how other people would nowadays everybody's

506
00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:07.200
so sensitive, right, I don't
know, but I think it would take.

507
00:30:07.279 --> 00:30:11.759
I think it would take if you
could get an actor, a big

508
00:30:11.839 --> 00:30:15.240
enough actor to play the Hanks character, Like, who would be who's like

509
00:30:15.400 --> 00:30:18.119
that guy? Uh? You know
that that's sort of that safe you know

510
00:30:19.160 --> 00:30:23.119
black you stand a comedy guy,
right that would play that role? That

511
00:30:23.200 --> 00:30:26.359
anything have real role with it?
Then you know, if you could get

512
00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:30.000
that guy whoever that would be,
I don't know, I don't want to

513
00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:36.720
get involved guys. Yeah, who's
that skeptic that was? Because that would

514
00:30:36.720 --> 00:30:38.920
be hilarious if you had the right
one, Yeah, the right guys doing

515
00:30:38.960 --> 00:30:42.039
it, It would be insanely funny. Actually, I think it would be

516
00:30:42.720 --> 00:30:48.839
so at this point, is there
a filmmaker, uh be it a writer

517
00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:52.759
or a director that you haven't worked
with that you would enjoy collaborating with?

518
00:30:52.920 --> 00:30:55.160
That's that's an easy one. Yeah, Tarantino, of course, you know,

519
00:30:55.400 --> 00:31:00.200
nice choice. Yeah, I've heard
like you should do a Tarrant you

520
00:31:00.200 --> 00:31:03.680
know movie, You're in a Tarantino
movie. But I mean yeah, right,

521
00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:06.680
yeah, uh, and you know
he's aware, I mean he I

522
00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:11.759
mean obviously a film like Encyclopedia.
I mean I went to some and I

523
00:31:11.839 --> 00:31:14.559
knew I know one of his.
I knew one of his, his producer,

524
00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:17.680
Lawrence Bender before he got huge.
Not going like come on, Lawrence

525
00:31:17.680 --> 00:31:19.799
like where's the love bro. You're
like, you know, throw the dog

526
00:31:19.880 --> 00:31:25.880
a bone man hopefully one day before
because you know he's not gonna you know,

527
00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:27.880
he only does he doesn't do a
lot of movies. Do you think

528
00:31:27.880 --> 00:31:30.799
about it, like, you know, like I've been like in a hundred

529
00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:33.519
things, you can maybe name seven. You know, he's only done eight

530
00:31:33.559 --> 00:31:37.079
movies. That movies is you can
name everyone? Right, Everyone's good?

531
00:31:38.319 --> 00:31:42.400
Yeah, I think that would be. I just think you know, he

532
00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:49.240
chances are he would stretch me in
an interesting and warped ass direction. I

533
00:31:49.240 --> 00:31:52.519
would like to do something with him
nice. Well, one more one more

534
00:31:52.599 --> 00:31:57.759
question about about the movies. And
I know I'm sure some of the listeners

535
00:31:57.839 --> 00:32:05.240
like what they weren't going to ask, And we specifically wanted to try and

536
00:32:05.240 --> 00:32:09.599
stay away from Children the Corn because
we know someone in your position you've heard

537
00:32:09.759 --> 00:32:15.279
a billion questions a billion times.
But you know, just for our listeners,

538
00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:19.920
my question about Children the Corn would
be, after all the after forty

539
00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:23.200
years, did you ever did you
ever expect that a character like Malachi would

540
00:32:23.240 --> 00:32:29.079
would have such a pop culture impact. I wouldn't have expected from the year

541
00:32:29.119 --> 00:32:31.279
it came out. Yeah, it's
been one of those things that from the

542
00:32:31.400 --> 00:32:36.000
jump has just been crazy, you
know, even though culturally at that time,

543
00:32:36.039 --> 00:32:39.119
you know, horror movies were looked
down as being movies. Critics panned

544
00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:43.880
it, you know, but that
was what they were saying on the streets.

545
00:32:43.960 --> 00:32:45.480
You know, kids are running to
their mothers crying. I mean it

546
00:32:45.559 --> 00:32:49.640
was like it was like, what
is happening? You know, like it

547
00:32:49.759 --> 00:32:53.720
was really really overwhelming the impact it
had, you know, and all of

548
00:32:53.720 --> 00:32:58.359
a sudden, all these eyeballs on
me and the reactions those eyeballs were having,

549
00:32:58.880 --> 00:33:00.799
I was like, whoa. And
that was when I two things,

550
00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:04.920
you know. I made. One
was I realized the power of cinema at

551
00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:07.440
that point, Like I really realized, like, wow, the power of

552
00:33:07.480 --> 00:33:08.880
cinema. I think about the project, you're doing what you want to do.

553
00:33:08.920 --> 00:33:12.720
And the other thing was like I
realized that character had such an impact

554
00:33:12.799 --> 00:33:16.599
so fast that I could easily get
pigeonholed. You know. I was like,

555
00:33:16.680 --> 00:33:20.319
I was aware of that. So
I really made a conscious choice in

556
00:33:20.359 --> 00:33:23.279
my eighties run to not play the
same character twice. You never did,

557
00:33:23.920 --> 00:33:28.480
I know? It worked out.
I mean I made the conscious choice and

558
00:33:28.519 --> 00:33:32.279
I was actually able to pull it
off. And and what I was eyeing

559
00:33:32.720 --> 00:33:37.720
at that point, was you know, a long term career beyond a childhood

560
00:33:37.759 --> 00:33:40.799
actor, right I was. I
was looking at the long term prize,

561
00:33:40.839 --> 00:33:45.160
and I said, if I if
I can have a body of work,

562
00:33:45.400 --> 00:33:47.079
you know, over like a ten
year period or like that, or you

563
00:33:47.079 --> 00:33:52.920
know in the eighties run was like
five six really good year run that well,

564
00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:55.960
that's what's going to help me transition
to my adulthood work because I'm going

565
00:33:57.000 --> 00:33:59.480
to have I'm They're gonna say,
well, and shit, he can't do

566
00:33:59.519 --> 00:34:00.440
this, can do this, and
you can do this, and you can

567
00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:04.720
do this. And I ended up
being lucky that I had you know,

568
00:34:04.839 --> 00:34:08.960
a hit in almost every genre you
know in that run and that and and

569
00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:14.719
they were all very different characters.
So I really feel like I had proven

570
00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:16.840
my point as where that I was
I was a character actor that you know,

571
00:34:17.280 --> 00:34:20.320
to be reckoned to it, that
I had some skills, you know,

572
00:34:20.320 --> 00:34:22.400
that I could do comedy, that
I could do drama, that I

573
00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:25.280
could do horror, you know,
And I think I think that that did

574
00:34:25.320 --> 00:34:30.800
help me. I think that did
help me transition. And then I think,

575
00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:36.320
you know the other thing that long
term transitions was just looking at being

576
00:34:36.360 --> 00:34:38.719
realistic about who you are and what
you can do, and what you look

577
00:34:38.880 --> 00:34:42.280
like, what age are and what
you look like. You know, like,

578
00:34:42.360 --> 00:34:45.760
what's what's the market in the nineties
I made. I made a pretty

579
00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:47.880
conscious decision when I started. I
just started getting a lot of guest stars.

580
00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:51.440
I said, there was no twenty
something roles, but I couldn't play

581
00:34:51.440 --> 00:34:54.440
teenagers anymore. But I thirty was
the roles thirty thirty five. So I

582
00:34:54.480 --> 00:34:57.559
was just like, what can I
do this about? Grow the hair back

583
00:34:57.599 --> 00:35:00.719
out, gro go t play mad
dogs. You can play that and pull

584
00:35:00.800 --> 00:35:02.519
it off as a little bit older. And then I just went on a

585
00:35:02.519 --> 00:35:06.159
big run in the nineties doing a
lot of really good guest stars and some

586
00:35:06.679 --> 00:35:10.360
mean some incredible roles. I mean
roll and diagnosis murderers. Like I'm saying

587
00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:15.199
my characters paralyzed on one side,
has cerebral polesy on the other side.

588
00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:16.440
And this was before the Internet where
I couldn't just go look out, so

589
00:35:16.519 --> 00:35:20.079
he has cerebral poles, you know
what I mean? So I mean some

590
00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:22.320
and where you had like a very
short time to pull this character together and

591
00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:25.199
make it happen. So there was
some some wonderful challenges on that level.

592
00:35:25.559 --> 00:35:29.000
And then now like you know,
you're talking about the Beard, like I

593
00:35:29.119 --> 00:35:32.119
knew after the pandemic, I'm like, grow the beard. The proud boy

594
00:35:32.199 --> 00:35:36.280
type roles are going to come.
There's no doubt those roles are coming.

595
00:35:36.800 --> 00:35:38.719
Oh yeah, well you and you
got one, yes, Ratha Becky,

596
00:35:39.000 --> 00:35:43.719
Yeah, Ratha Becky, where you
We played this character named Nobleman, which

597
00:35:43.760 --> 00:35:47.599
is a you know, obviously take
off on on you know, on on

598
00:35:47.679 --> 00:35:51.800
the on the on the Nobleman out
of the Proud Boys, and and and

599
00:35:51.880 --> 00:35:53.519
you know, and and and the
movie. You know, it's it's you

600
00:35:53.559 --> 00:35:57.920
know, somewhat tongue in cheek in
that like you know, it's it's it's

601
00:35:58.119 --> 00:36:01.239
it's designed for people to you want
to see those guys be destroyed and have

602
00:36:01.280 --> 00:36:05.639
a good time doing it, right, And that's its function, and people

603
00:36:05.639 --> 00:36:07.320
will have a good time. But
my job is not that. My job

604
00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:12.599
is to bring is really is a
human being to that character as I can

605
00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:15.400
and the character has this incredible twitch
turn. Right. Have you seen the

606
00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:19.960
movie? Yeah? Yeah, I
kind of caught it, you know,

607
00:36:20.079 --> 00:36:22.079
because I had seen Becky. And
then we see like, oh we got

608
00:36:22.239 --> 00:36:27.199
we got a sequel with to Becky. And then you show up and it's

609
00:36:27.239 --> 00:36:30.719
like, whoa Courtney Gaines is in
this? And then immediately I'm like,

610
00:36:30.960 --> 00:36:32.960
I'm pulling more now, you know, it's like, Okay, well,

611
00:36:34.280 --> 00:36:37.719
I love Courtney Gaines, but I'm
probably not supposed to love him in this

612
00:36:37.800 --> 00:36:40.519
right, But I'm still all in. Yeah. But but the point is

613
00:36:40.559 --> 00:36:45.239
my job is to try to make
that guy, you know, four dimensional,

614
00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:46.880
you know, at three dimensional for
dimensional and because he has such a

615
00:36:46.920 --> 00:36:51.119
good turn and it really allows me
to do that. But then again,

616
00:36:51.159 --> 00:36:53.199
at the end, the end is
such a ridiculous payoff. You know,

617
00:36:53.280 --> 00:36:57.039
it's like, what's your kid's name? I don't want to say, the

618
00:36:57.039 --> 00:37:00.800
payoff is ridiculous. After he gives
this heartfelt speech, you know, you're

619
00:37:00.840 --> 00:37:06.719
like, yeah, I killed that. So I loved I loved you know,

620
00:37:06.760 --> 00:37:08.000
the opportunity. And I think the
movie came out really good. It's

621
00:37:08.000 --> 00:37:10.159
one of it's one of the better
things I've been in a while. And

622
00:37:10.199 --> 00:37:14.320
they're already doing another one. It's
it's it's done well, they're doing they're

623
00:37:14.360 --> 00:37:16.639
doing the trilogy now. So I'm
going to be part of this pretty crazy

624
00:37:16.679 --> 00:37:21.599
trilogy that I think is just a
sign of our times. Since we're talking

625
00:37:21.639 --> 00:37:24.840
about stuff that was done lately.
Might as well pivot to the other cool

626
00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:30.840
thing I did last year was was
uh, I got hired by Rock started

627
00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:32.199
to do a video game, and
they wouldn't tell me what it was because

628
00:37:32.199 --> 00:37:37.320
they keep things really secret. People
are like, it might be GTA.

629
00:37:37.480 --> 00:37:38.559
I'm like, no, really,
They're like, it might be we don't

630
00:37:38.599 --> 00:37:42.599
know. So it turned out to
be it's called you know, Grand Theft

631
00:37:42.639 --> 00:37:47.199
Auto those Santo's drug Wars. They're
online game, yep, okay, And

632
00:37:47.559 --> 00:37:50.960
it ended up being two parts.
None of these things they told me.

633
00:37:50.960 --> 00:37:52.280
It's like. The first part came
out in December, the second part came

634
00:37:52.280 --> 00:37:55.400
out, I think in February March. But I played this character named lab

635
00:37:55.480 --> 00:37:59.599
Rat, who's the guy who makes
all the acid and stuff for them.

636
00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:01.760
And the reason I'm telling you all
this other you can go look at the

637
00:38:01.800 --> 00:38:05.960
uncut scenes online. They're really funny. Is the reason I'm telling you this

638
00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:10.679
because that's my ode to Dnis opera
right there. Watch it and you kind

639
00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:15.119
of know it's not I'm fully imitating
them, But to me, that's who

640
00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:16.840
I thought about what I got this
role. I said, oh, this

641
00:38:16.880 --> 00:38:21.760
is this is my Dentis Opera.
Moment right here. So it's a really

642
00:38:21.840 --> 00:38:23.880
fun character and it really came out. I didn't even know the guy looked

643
00:38:23.920 --> 00:38:25.599
like, you know, they tell
me nothing, you know, But but

644
00:38:25.639 --> 00:38:29.440
it was a really lot of fun. You know, they put you in

645
00:38:29.440 --> 00:38:31.840
those bubble suits and then but nowadays
they've evolved and now where they have these

646
00:38:31.840 --> 00:38:36.400
helmets with the cameras right here,
so they're getting you're capturing your face images.

647
00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:39.199
When I worked for those guys,
uh back in the day for La

648
00:38:39.320 --> 00:38:42.840
Noir, they had to do those
two things separately, and it was really

649
00:38:42.880 --> 00:38:45.239
difficult and arduous. They've they've come
a long way, so it was much

650
00:38:45.239 --> 00:38:49.400
more freed up to just to just
to really go. It was great.

651
00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:51.719
They would just throw things at you
like you do this. You just had

652
00:38:51.719 --> 00:38:54.599
to just dive in and be loose
and have a good time. And it

653
00:38:54.639 --> 00:38:57.880
was a fun challenge and it was
a fun character and it was a fun

654
00:38:57.920 --> 00:39:00.960
process. So really last year a
two really good projects that came out.

655
00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:02.599
So I'm really happy with the stuff
that's come out this year. Yeah,

656
00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:07.320
you should be well. As as
we wrap up, Corney, you mentioned

657
00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:10.920
uh getting getting some touring days together
for next year. We talked about some

658
00:39:10.960 --> 00:39:16.239
of the conventions are you. Are
you currently writing any new music? Yeah?

659
00:39:17.239 --> 00:39:21.599
More more. Yes, I have
been writing some new music, but

660
00:39:21.679 --> 00:39:24.760
it's really more about getting the next
phases tracked, right. So, like

661
00:39:25.480 --> 00:39:29.840
the cool thing about the two cool
things one is I'm you know, I'm

662
00:39:29.840 --> 00:39:31.519
an independent musician, so I can
do whatever the hell I want. Nobody's

663
00:39:31.559 --> 00:39:35.360
like you wrote that hit, Make
me ten more of those and we'll give

664
00:39:35.360 --> 00:39:37.760
you a million dollars, you know, Like it's a whole different game,

665
00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:40.320
right, Yeah, you know somebody
did, and maybe I play that game,

666
00:39:40.360 --> 00:39:44.599
but that's not what I'm doing,
right, So I like kind of

667
00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:47.679
like acting I write. I write
all kinds of stuff I don't write,

668
00:39:47.719 --> 00:39:52.719
like in one thing, like if
you think the acoustic gains versus this record,

669
00:39:52.760 --> 00:39:54.960
say, heyman, they're pretty different, right they are? Yeah.

670
00:39:55.000 --> 00:39:59.519
So the next couple of things I
want to do are and what's cool is

671
00:39:59.559 --> 00:40:01.079
nowadays you don't have to do a
full album. You can either do singles

672
00:40:01.079 --> 00:40:04.199
if you want, or now you
can do like EPs, and people are

673
00:40:04.280 --> 00:40:06.880
kind of more open to that concept
because a lot of material I have is

674
00:40:06.920 --> 00:40:08.239
like, ah, it's like six
good songs or five good songs in that

675
00:40:08.320 --> 00:40:12.519
genre. So the next two things
that I do is two instrumental projects.

676
00:40:12.519 --> 00:40:15.599
One is an instrumental project that is, you know more, you know,

677
00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:19.639
full on instruments, you know,
electric stuff that I have some stuff I've

678
00:40:19.639 --> 00:40:22.199
been sitting on for a while and
that's what I'm thinking I'm working on next.

679
00:40:22.239 --> 00:40:24.199
But I also have one more that
I really want to do, and

680
00:40:24.239 --> 00:40:29.079
it's it's it's technically the most challenging
for me. It's it's a six song

681
00:40:29.320 --> 00:40:34.239
five six songs acoustic, just acoustic
instrumental. And I've had that for a

682
00:40:34.280 --> 00:40:36.760
long time. I've had this.
I've had this set of songs for a

683
00:40:36.760 --> 00:40:39.440
long time. When I was U
my I was married back in the UH

684
00:40:40.079 --> 00:40:45.639
in the nineties. My wife was
a choreographer and we actually did that performance

685
00:40:45.679 --> 00:40:49.320
live where I played these five songs
and she choreographed to all of them.

686
00:40:49.719 --> 00:40:53.480
That was super cool, man,
to see your music interpreted in dance.

687
00:40:54.360 --> 00:40:58.960
I'm sure we have it somewhere,
it's been filmed, uh. But but

688
00:40:59.039 --> 00:41:00.360
I want to I want to also
a track all those songs. It's just

689
00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:04.599
sometimes I feel like my skill set
is up to nailing them. It's they're

690
00:41:04.800 --> 00:41:07.519
you know, they're instrumental, and
it's like you know it's tough, but

691
00:41:07.800 --> 00:41:09.639
I'm gonna do it. It's like
I gotta do it. So those are

692
00:41:09.679 --> 00:41:14.199
like the two next things around my
mind. But the sky Wall Picher that

693
00:41:14.199 --> 00:41:19.280
we're working with now, he's a
he's a he's very good songwriter himself and

694
00:41:19.360 --> 00:41:22.079
very good like he has he has
studio skills, and so I think he

695
00:41:22.159 --> 00:41:23.920
and I are gonna do some co
writing stuff as well. And I've done

696
00:41:23.920 --> 00:41:29.000
a lot of co writing and I'm
all for because I think that it takes

697
00:41:29.000 --> 00:41:31.760
you in different directions somebody else's skills
or like if I you know, if

698
00:41:31.800 --> 00:41:36.639
I write music with a female voice, that takes you in a different direction.

699
00:41:36.880 --> 00:41:38.199
So I like, I like,
and either you care or you can't.

700
00:41:38.320 --> 00:41:42.000
Like in Ripple Street, I wrote
with my bass player, and a

701
00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:45.039
bass player writing songs is very different. Like it's like you I just I

702
00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:46.760
just I just like guitar players.
We've done a ton of dialogue, you

703
00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:50.840
know, chord and like four thousand
words, you know Dylan, But this

704
00:41:50.960 --> 00:41:53.519
with bass risks you had to like
make everything simple, so it kind of

705
00:41:53.599 --> 00:41:57.360
forced me to write differently. So
I'm gonna do some writing with him as

706
00:41:57.400 --> 00:42:00.559
well. So I think that's that
those are things definitely in the works.

707
00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:05.840
Uh soon we're gonna start working on
track and some stuff. But I've been

708
00:42:05.840 --> 00:42:09.199
really concentrating on getting this record out. That's been like the real push for

709
00:42:09.280 --> 00:42:14.119
the last a month and a half
or so, and it's gone really well,

710
00:42:14.159 --> 00:42:16.039
and we've got some really good write
ups, gotten some really nice reviews,

711
00:42:16.039 --> 00:42:19.440
which really surprised the hell out.
I mean, I feel like people

712
00:42:19.480 --> 00:42:22.480
and like you guys took the time
to listen to it and got something out

713
00:42:22.480 --> 00:42:23.719
of it. So I'm really I
couldn't be happy. That's all. That's

714
00:42:23.719 --> 00:42:27.039
all I can ask is take a
listen, right, Yeah, Oh that

715
00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:29.360
dude, he writes some music.
Let's listen. It's not good, you

716
00:42:29.400 --> 00:42:31.719
know, having like one song.
I'm over the moon. So so I

717
00:42:31.760 --> 00:42:35.400
can't wait to hear what you come
out later with. I cannot wait.

718
00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:37.079
Well, some of this other stuff
that could be soundtrack stuff, the stuff

719
00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:39.159
I'm better right next, So you
never know, maybe we're gonna give you

720
00:42:39.199 --> 00:42:43.360
some soundtrack material, man, you
never know. I love that. Gosh.

721
00:42:43.440 --> 00:42:47.400
I would be beside myself with that. Courtney. Not so many projects

722
00:42:47.400 --> 00:42:52.239
to do already, it's crazy.
So Fake Fangs Records, they're they're shipping

723
00:42:52.239 --> 00:42:55.320
out the CDs. Now you were, you were very kind enough for the

724
00:42:55.400 --> 00:43:00.199
lucky ones myself included. You know
that pre ordered we get an auto have

725
00:43:00.280 --> 00:43:02.559
copy correct. Yes, yes,
so yeah we did. We signed.

726
00:43:02.840 --> 00:43:05.880
He came up with a good idea, which is to do a pre order

727
00:43:05.920 --> 00:43:07.639
and for that pre order people will
get personally signed CDs. Now worked,

728
00:43:07.679 --> 00:43:10.159
well, we sold a bunch of
CDs and that's and that's great. I

729
00:43:10.199 --> 00:43:14.199
love it so and then of course
doting conventions that's the only other way people

730
00:43:14.199 --> 00:43:15.480
will be it again. But just
to be clear, yeah, the only

731
00:43:15.519 --> 00:43:19.920
way to get this record is to
go to fakefangs dot com. It's not

732
00:43:20.199 --> 00:43:22.199
on Spotify, so I don't know
iTunes been there, done all that.

733
00:43:22.239 --> 00:43:25.639
They ain't done nothing for me.
So we're going directly this time. And

734
00:43:25.840 --> 00:43:29.440
uh so, yeah, you got
to go to fakefangs dot com and you

735
00:43:29.440 --> 00:43:31.199
can. You can listen to the
record three times and if you like it,

736
00:43:31.239 --> 00:43:35.519
you can down You can either just
download the downloadable for seven bucks or

737
00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:38.840
you can get a CD limited run
CDs got five hundred for eight bucks and

738
00:43:39.079 --> 00:43:42.840
uh you know, get a CDs
so and I think you get the digit

739
00:43:42.880 --> 00:43:45.119
downloaded with that, So that's a
pretty good deal. So yeah, that's

740
00:43:45.320 --> 00:43:47.199
that's that's the one I got.
I got, you know, I got

741
00:43:47.239 --> 00:43:51.440
the digit download, I got the
autograph one on the way. We just

742
00:43:51.480 --> 00:43:52.800
get a CD. I know you
haven't gotten the CDs yet. They took

743
00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:57.119
a while to get ordered. We
finally signed them and they're shitting shipped now.

744
00:43:57.119 --> 00:43:59.840
But I'll tell you they came out
nice. They they that was all

745
00:44:00.280 --> 00:44:04.039
you know, Uh, give Jim
and his designer all the credit. But

746
00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:06.320
it wasn't unsil I had it in
my hands, I can open it.

747
00:44:06.360 --> 00:44:09.679
I was like, this looks cool, awesome, So I think you'll hope

748
00:44:09.679 --> 00:44:13.800
you'll enjoy it. Yeah, well, Courtney, h As far as information

749
00:44:14.000 --> 00:44:15.719
on you, like your tour dates, your appearances, is there a specific

750
00:44:15.960 --> 00:44:19.679
is there a website we can we
can go to to find out more about

751
00:44:19.679 --> 00:44:21.480
you and where you're going to be. It's just man, it's just my

752
00:44:21.639 --> 00:44:23.079
Facebook. You know, you can
find me on you know, you can

753
00:44:23.079 --> 00:44:27.280
find me Courtney Gaines on Facebook and
I don't have any and I can find

754
00:44:27.280 --> 00:44:29.599
me on Instagram. I'll have any
official stuff, but you'll know it's me

755
00:44:29.679 --> 00:44:34.239
Becaus who could be posting the pictures
on post right. But then for the

756
00:44:34.320 --> 00:44:37.000
bar. There's also Courtney, you
know, Courtney Gaines Group, and that's

757
00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:42.039
where all the information will be on
touring stuff as it as it unfolds in

758
00:44:42.079 --> 00:44:45.800
this next year. So yeah,
and that's maybe eventually we'll get a website

759
00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:51.360
together. I don't know, we'll
see, we'll see. We have been

760
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:57.360
listening to Safe Haven and we've been
talking with Courtney Gaines. Courtney, it

761
00:44:57.440 --> 00:45:00.239
has been a tremendous pleasure, Yes, having this conversation with you. We

762
00:45:00.280 --> 00:45:02.840
can't cannot thank you enough. This
has been a this has been a blast

763
00:45:02.880 --> 00:45:07.559
man. You have absolute, absolute
honor. It's been fun though, it's

764
00:45:07.559 --> 00:45:08.400
been fun too. I mean,
thank you for your name. But like

765
00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:10.519
you know, I feel like we're
dudes now, Like we gotta get to

766
00:45:10.519 --> 00:45:13.920
got to have a beer now.
So that's right, we're gonna do that.

767
00:45:14.360 --> 00:45:17.400
We're gonna do that absolutely. When
uh listeners, we will. We'll

768
00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:51.519
catch you next time. Good time, going on, good time, going

769
00:45:51.639 --> 00:45:53.079
on, good