Sept. 2, 2024

Tim Burton - Big Fish

Tim Burton - Big Fish
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Season 5 A Film By...

In this episode, we dive into Tim Burton's whimsical and emotionally charged film, Big Fish. Jeff and Amber explore the story that is both fantastical and profoundly heartfelt. Whether you’re a long-time fan or new to Burton’s world, this episode promises insights and reflections on a film that’s as enchanting as it is poignant.

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Today at eleven thirty am on Hollywood Boulevard in front

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of the Hollywood Toys and Costumes Store. Something awesome is

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about to happen.

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I'm intrigued.

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Well, I thought you would be, because the two thousand,

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seven hundred and eighty eighth star on the Walk of

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Fame is going to be given to Tim Burton.

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Oh so awesome.

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How awesome is that? Right? I mean, I can't believe

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it's taken this long for this guy to get a

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star on the Walk of Fame.

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Right, Like I kind of felt like that's what you

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were gonna say, But I was like, surely has one already?

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He does not, and how great? Maybe they were just

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waiting for one to open up, but in front of

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Hollywood Toys and Costumes, because like, what better place for

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his star to be? Honest?

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Absolutely, absolutely, I'll tell you what.

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Let's talk about a film by Tim Burton. Let's do.

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Let's do his two thousand and three underrated fantasy classic

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Big Fish. Hello everybody, I'm Jeff Johnson, I'm Amber Lewis,

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and this is a film by podcast Amber. Let's start

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by saying hello to our two newest Patreon members. Welcome.

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Steve mccola and welcome back, Matt, soitter. Gentlemen, we will

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be in touch soon because we've got some a film

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by swag for both of you listeners. For those of

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you need is an email address to gain access to

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the free episodes, and Amber, you know this. We're doing,

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We're doing, We're doing. We're doing several episodes a month

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now on Patreon and we're always putting one or two

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of them as free episodes for our free free subscribers.

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Correct, yes, and I can't wait for him every week.

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They're good, thank you, and uh you know listen, yeah,

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well listen. All you guys need is an email dress

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to gain access to these free episodes, and when you're

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ready for more, you can get access to everything for

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as little as three dollars a month. Amber, can we

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take a minute to discuss last week's episode?

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Oh my gosh, can we please? Because it was so

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much fun?

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I'm glad you were wrong, but okay, okay, hold on,

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hold on now, you I saw that you dropped some

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stuff on our Facebook page. You you had some choice words,

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you had you had some good picks. I got it.

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I have to be honest. You had some really good picks. Though.

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Well, Graves like took half my list. I had to

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like rebuild it because his list was like on the mark.

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But there was a deplorable lack of female lawyers.

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You were a little concerned about the lack of female lawyers.

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Hold on, I'll put you on the spot. Who is

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the best female lawyer in cinema history?

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Oh?

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Good Grave, Come on, I could shoot for the hip.

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I can give you Atticus Fitch. I could you know,

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I can give you plenty of people.

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I mean, they haven't had a lot of opportunity. But

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I will say I absolutely love the movie Suspect, and

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I think that Cher does a very good job. She's

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a very believable lawyer in that movie.

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So I'm not about to disagree with you on that, right.

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I mean, he can't talk bad about Share.

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No, I'll tell you, I don't think. I don't think

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anyone's gonna talk about about Share, including one of our

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other listeners. I want to I want to shout out

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a gentleman named Jason Coslet. So he reached out to

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us and he had this I I wanted to share

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some of the stuff he said. So he says, good morning,

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I'm listening to the latest episode on the five best

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courtroom films. I'm loving it. I'd maybe juxtapose a couple

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of them, but in general, I'm with you on all

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these films. They are all so damn great. Thank you.

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Keep up the good work. Now, I was curious. I

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had to I had to know, like, well, what what

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makes Jason Kslet's list of top five courtroom movies? Yeah,

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he was. He was good enough to share his list.

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I'm gonna I'm gonna try and be quick, but uh,

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he's got He's got number one. If you good men,

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as stated by both of you, Nicholson's best performance one

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of Tom Cruise's best, to me Moore was fire in this.

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Wolfgang Bodison, for a first time actor, was so real

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I would have believed him as a real marine. Also

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no a while debut J T. Walsh as an unhinged

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Lieutenant Colonel Marketson. Kevin Pollack is Lieutenant Weinberg Well written

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by Aaron Sorkin, who wrote the play and absolute Fai

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of Mine. This guy like you know about this from

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a job. He knows his stuff. Right. Number two A

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Time to Kill. I can't honestly say anything more positive

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about this movie than you guys already did, other than

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to also point out that Sondra Bullock's performance was fantastic.

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Now now he goes with one that it was hard

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for me to keep this one off my list. Amber

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dead Man Walking a powerful performance by Susan Sarandon, very

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possibly her most memorable, and Sean Penn's best since At

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Close Range. If you've never seen it, do yourself a

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favor and watch it. Jason, I have done myself that favor.

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We covered At Close Range on Patreon. It was one

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of our lost episodes of nineteen eighty six. It is

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out there for you, sir. Please check it out. Do

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yourself a favor, Jason and check out that episode. Let

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us know what you think of our coverage of At

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Close Range. Moving on Amber number four, Jason's Got Presumed Innocent,

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one of Harrison Ford's most underrated films and a damn

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good movie. I cannot agree.

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All anybody wanted to talk about was his haircut, and

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they ignored the fact that it's a really good babe.

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Well, you know, Jason Costla says it's a damn good movie.

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So and then and then lastly making his list again.

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Another another tough one to keep off my list, but

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I believe the honorable d Graves had this one. Liar, Liar,

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and the Truth Shall Set You Free Jim Carrey's finest role.

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And Mitchell Ryan is hilarious in his role also, and

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of course Jennifer Tilley, well, I don't necessarily dig her

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as a blonde. I love her in general, and she's

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great in this as well. Thank you again, and thank

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you for all the great work. Jason. I love that list. Amber,

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I think he had a phenomenal list. You have to

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have to admit. Yeah. Absolutely, And Amber, I know, I

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know we're gonna get to big Fish at some point here.

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But one more thing I want to share, and this

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is for Jason because I think it's gonna make him happy.

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So last year, we did an episode celebrating the fortieth

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anniversary of the first G I. Joe mini series called

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The Mass Device. I know that Jason loved it and

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I loved it. I love talking about because I'm a fan.

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But he wasn't alone because it ended up being one

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of our most popular episodes of all time. Therefore, next

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week we will be celebrating the fortieth anniversary of the

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second G I. Joe mini series titled The Revenge of Cobra.

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So everyone over the age of thirty five can get

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ready for a very nostalgic episode next week.

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Yes, my brother will be thrilled.

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Okay, see, the Lewis family will be thrilled. Jason will

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be thrilled. I think a lot of people are gonna

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be thrilled. We've covered the Mass Device, We're about to

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cover the Revenge of Cobra. Who knows we might get

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to arise or pin or arise at some point. We'll see,

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all right, Amber, Enough about all that good stuff, great stuff, right,

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more great stuff. Let's talk about the the movie that

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that brought us here today. So Big Fish is the

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story of a frustrated son hoping to unearth the truth

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in the fantastic stories that embody the life of his

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dying father, a man known for telling tall tales. This

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movie deals with discovering fact within the fiction. Amber, here's

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a fact. I like this movie, but I don't love it.

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But I do have reason to believe that you absolutely

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love it.

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Yes, it is Tim Burton's absolute best movie.

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This is wait, you're you're shooting right now, you're Tim

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Burton's best movie. We haven't even got to his filmography.

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I can't believe that that's You'll stand by that. Yep,

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all right, all right, we're gonna okay, we're gonna get

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to that. But you know, all right, what I love

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about it is the fantasy element. It feels like a

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it feels like a very heartfelt drama about reconciliation between

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a father and a son. But it's Tim Burton, so

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it's going to be absolutely fantastical. I mean you have

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to even even the beginning, like the birth of our

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of our lead character, Ed Bloom. Can we can we

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just jump into can we jump into this real quick

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and just talk about this delivery scene?

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Well yeah, because I mean, although you want to talk

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about fantasy, that is actually almost one hundred percent how

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Liam Lewis came into the world. What, yes, Leem Lewis

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came flying on that like Superman and almost hit the floor.

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I can't believe that for one second. You're absolutely your

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son tries to shoot shoot out the door like that.

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I did not follow directions, and at one point I

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realized like, hey, wait a minute, I can push this

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baby out like I'm ready, And the doctor had turned

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around to put an instrument down on the table behind him.

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And what you're supposed to do is like the baby's

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head comes out and then one shoulder, then the other shoulder,

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and then they ease him the rest of the way out.

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And I didn't do that. I gave one big push

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and the doctor turned around and caught Liam right before

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he hit the floor.

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That is astonishing.

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So he died when we saw this movie because I'm like,

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that's li ca.

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How how far if if the doc hadn't caught him,

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how far do you think young Liam would have made it?

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Like?

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Could he have gone as far down the hallway as

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as a bloom thinker?

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I mean, they're really slippery.

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I guess I wouldn't know. Good hands, doc, Uh yeah, yeah,

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thank you for taking care of young Liam here, all right?

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Can we can we talk about this casting crew because

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there's a lot of people to talk about, But but

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you know, I don't know how much time we want

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to spend on everyone, right, because there's it's a big cast,

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it's a Timberton.

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Big cast, you get all these great Timburton regulars popping in,

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and then the main characters are great.

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Let's let's let's focus on the main characters for a minute.

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So we got Hugh McGregor playing the young ed Bloom.

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He's cast in this role because of a People magazine

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article that compared you into a young Albert Finney.

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So oh, look, he looks just like they could be brothers.

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They could write did you see the pictures? Because I did,

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and I was like, wow, I love you and McGregor

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in this. I mean, let's well, let's be honest, do

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we do we not love you and McGregor in anything?

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I mean, full stop? Yeah? But I love in this

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that he he gets this great role of like the

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idealized version of how Edward Bloom sees himself, you know,

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how he wants to see himself, how he wants to

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have been. So he gets to do all these great

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things and be the hero, and you know, he's always

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the best guy.

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And I don't know, you know, I'm not I didn't check,

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but so I don't know if if mulon Rouge came

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out before or after Big Fish, but I kind of

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feel like and when I when I talk about when

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I talk about the comparison here, I'm basically saying, like

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Youwen in Big Fish and Ewen in mulan Rouge, there's

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that that that that optimism after came out after Okay,

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So I okay, So I'm kind of okay. So I'm

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kind of feeling like Ewan takes his young Ed Bloom

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character and kind of moves that over to mulon Rouge

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a little bit, because that whimsy he has, that that

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that just full hearted optimism, that smile, that that just

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that's his smile radiates in this movie, right, and it

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kind of I kind of feel like I saw a

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little bit at mulon Rouge. But Albert Finnie plays the

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older version of Ed Bloom and Amber. We know why

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you McGregor is cast. He's cast because of Albert Finnie.

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But here's the thing. Albert Finnie gets this role by mistake.

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And I was like, are you kidding?

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He wasn't even supposed to get it. Sony wants to

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hire Brian Cox, and I thought about that for a minute,

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and I was like, you know what, I see Brian

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Cox as an older you McGregor. I could see that

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that makes sense it can't.

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But he would not have. He doesn't, for me have

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the charm that Albert Finny has. Albert Finnie is so charismatic.

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Yeah he is. And uh, there's someone else that's up

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for this role. We'll talk, we'll get to that, we'll

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get to him later. But Sony hands photos of Brian

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Cox to the casting director. She's looking at him, thinking

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that it's Albert Finnie. She calls Albert Finney's agent up,

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offers him the part without even having him read for it.

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And Albert Finny's in town, he's in costuming, and all

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of a sudden, Sony's like, the hell's Albert Finny doing here?

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Like where is Brian Cox? I don't know if that

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casting director was working for Sony after that, right, but

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I would hope, I would hope that.

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Guss full mistake, though, you know it's right. She hired

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Bob off the street like she was close. He's British,

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they're about the age.

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Yeah, well what happened? I hired an old white guy

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from from London, Like, isn't that what you wanted? No?

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I I think it's a happy mistake. It's very fortuitous

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because Albert Finny, he's charming.

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In this Oh my goodness.

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Yeah, every scene he's in he's you gotta watch him

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like I wouldn't feel comfortable leaving him around my girl,

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you know what I mean? Like did you did you

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pick up? Like when when uh Will's wife Josephine goes

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to see him and he's like, hello, he's got that

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that Lando, Like, what have we here? He's a smooth operator.

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I like Albert Finn. He's he's a sweetheart of this.

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What did you think about Billy Crudup, who is playing

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his adult son Will.

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I usually don't like him because he's usually playing an

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unlikable person.

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When has Billy Cruddup ever played an unlikable person?

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Oh?

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What?

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He I just watched him in something where Spotlight.

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Yeah, he's kind of dicking spotlight.

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Yeah, okay, watchman, doctor man asshole.

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Well it's yeah, he's kind of an asshole. But he was.

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He was the lead singer.

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He was the lead singer of almost.

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Famous and Famous. He was awesome there, right, except for

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when he was treating Kate Hudson ship. So I guess okay, Amber, dammit,

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all right, we're moving on.

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And he's a pain in the ass of this movie

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like this was smack him. He get it together, buddy,

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They're not here forever.

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These come on, croud up, clean your act up. Yeah,

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all right, he's a good actor, though yes he might

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not play a lot of lovable roles actions.

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I always like ew.

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Right, all right, before this becomes a billy crowd up,

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beat down, let's let's move on. This young woman is

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adorable in everything I've ever seen her do. Talking about

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Alison Lohman playing the young Sondra Bloom.

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And how perfect for a young version of Jessica Lang,

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like right, and to see her like they age her

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so well, like she matures through the story so well.

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Yeah, this is one of those situations where the love

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story that you see happening between you McGregor and Alison

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Lohman feels very real, very authentic. And it's the exact

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same when you see Albert Finnie and Jessica Lang. Like

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it again, real authentic. I buy it, like they're real right, Yes,

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love Alison Lohman in this She's fantastic. Jessica Lang playing

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the elder Sundra Bloom. I gotta tell you, I think

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if you just look up in the dictionary, like like

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beautiful Southern Bell. Does Jessica Lange automatically be at the

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photo of the right there, that's her? Right, even just

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Jessica Lane in like seventy six, like when she's with

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Jeff Bridges in King Kong, she's just dynamite. And then

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when you look at her in the eighties like in

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What Everybody's All American, or you look at her in

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the nineties like Cape Fear, this is a woman. I

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kind of feel like she becomes more beautiful, if that's

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possible she as she gets.

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Older, Oh my goodness, yes, And so it just incredibly talented.

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Has played so many just different kinds of characters and

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just absolutely interesting and everything she does, and here she's

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so like tender and sweet and you can believe that.

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You know, she loves Edward for who he is, and

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he's a flawed human like we all are, but he's

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her soulmate.

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Yeah. I love these these two couples playing young and

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old versions of the same characters. They're just they're they're

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they're they're endearing, they they It's such a great love

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story seeing these seeing these people play out. Uh, you know,

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you mentioned Liam's wild ride into the into the world.

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You know, he obviously had a good doctor. We got

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doctor Bennett in this one, played by Robert gulime Giam.

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Thank you, thank you, Robert g.

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G g There you go, Robert.

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Robert Giam, very good. All right, I'm gonna have problems

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here in a minute with another name, but I'll have

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you to back me up. Where do I know this

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guy from?

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Because he's Benson.

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Benson right, and isn't he? Isn't he? Uh? Rafiki Lian King?

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He is character the voice. Yeah, I wish, I wish

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we saw a little bit more doctor Bennett. I know

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we can't because this is Ed Bloom's story, but I was.

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So happy to see Robert you in this movie. And

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he's again like the characters, they're just also charming. You

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like spending time with them.

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All right, Well, another another one that we like spending

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time with charming and a name that Amber will correct

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me on quickly. Let's talk about Josephine played by Marion

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Is it Cotier close? Cootier Kotier? All right, I was

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I was half.

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Right, you were close.

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I was good? Yeah, all right, good, thank you, thank you. Uh.

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This is her first American feature film.

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And she's so sweet and She's just perfect. Like that

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relationship that she has with her father in law is

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like the relationship my mom had with my grandfather, my

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dad's father, and it's so sweet.

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She absolutely is a sweetheart. I love. One of my

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favorite scenes is the one I was kind of alluding

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to earlier where she's checking on on ed you know,

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at bad time, and he's you know, she wants to

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know the story of how they met, and she wants

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to take his photo and he's being kind of kind

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of bashful, kind of he's he's being a little flirty,

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but just the warmth on her face in that in

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that scene, the smile is they just melt your heart. Honestly.

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Yes, she is definitely the She has the grace that

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Will doesn't have to have more understanding and more empathy

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for his father than he does.

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Well, yeah, because he doesn't even want her to go

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at first, Like they're in Paris, right, and he's like yeah,

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and she's like he's like nah, She's like I'm coming

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with you. Like I almost feel like she's going with

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him to kind of keep him in line, like to

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not make the mistake that he probably would have if

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she wasn't there, right, because again it's.

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Trying to get that chip off his shoulder.

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Yeah, because it's been three Like, did you did you

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pick up on this? Maybe maybe there's something to it,

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but I just I noticed this the last time I

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watched it. There's a weird thing happening here in this

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movie with like three years. Mm hmm okay, okay, so

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your faketail.

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Everything happens in threes.

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Okay, Okay, So that's that's that's what I'm missing then,

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because like it's three wish three. Okay, Well now you're

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making Now you're making it makes sense because I noticed,

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like there's a lot of things going on in three years.

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It takes three years to do this, takes three years

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to do that. He and his father don't talk for

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three years until his father's dying. All right, Well more

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on that later then. Again, can't have a fairy tale,

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You can't have a Tim Burton film without some odd characters.

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I do want to touch upon real quick, some of

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some of our supporting cast that's a little odd. Steve A.

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Shimmy as Northern Winslow, who's not odds so much as

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he's just he's just kind of goofy. Like, yes, I

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know we're gonna get to that.

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One of the few parts that like, I literally laugh

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out loud the scene where they're dancing Inspector and he's

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he's like in the background thing behind the guy. I

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was so goofy.

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Let's you know what, let's just talk about the scene

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because you know, we're sure. Yeah, so Edward Bloom who

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young ed So we're talking about you McGregor. He takes

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the path less traveled, right, it's a spooky off the

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beaten road, wicked forest swamp. Yeah, it's like the fire

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swamp from Princess Brida. Most there's all kinds of dangers,

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jumping spiders and other other things. And then it leads

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to this this just uh utopian. This this this this

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fantasy world right, this little little town, like I'm looking

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at it, the town of Specter, and I'm thinking, is

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this did he just walk into heaven? Because that's that's

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kind of the impression I get, is that, you know,

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what's your thoughts on this on this town of Spector.

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Ember, That's funny to me that you wondered if it

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was heaven because I was immediately nervous. Really, it's like

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nothing good can come of this town. Like, I don't know.

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I'm not enough of a film scholar to know, like technically,

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is there something about the way the camera was angled

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or the way it was lit or But to me

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when he walks in, like it's already feels ominous. Well,

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might not be the best stop along the path watching

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it's perfect.

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It looks perfect. So I'm watching it, and I my

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thought was, this feels like a Twilight Zone episode, Like

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you just walked into the perfect the quote unquote perfect

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town and they don't want you to leave and you

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can never leave. And everyone's got their shoes off, which

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is another weird thing about it. Everyone's barefoot in this town.

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And like the little girl steals his shoes and throws

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him up on the on the power line, so now

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he's barefoot. Yeah, he's just like dream sequence of like

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everything's great in this town, a specter like let's let's

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just eat apple pie all day from Missy Pile and

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let's just talk and let's just sing songs and dance.

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And then you got Steve BESHEMI kind of like in

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a weird, acid trippy type of dance sequence where he's

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just kind of floating in the background, real, real, creepyke yep, Yeah,

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Steve BESHEMI always always a good time. How about uh

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what leads ed Bloom out of out of town? Uh?

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Carl the Giant played by the late Matthew McGrory and

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so dear mm hmmm.

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When you finally you know and it's it's one of

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those allegories of you know, you're you're frightened of what

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you don't know, and you're frightened of strangers and you're

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frightened of foreigners, and you know, then you go out

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to the cave to meet him and they're really not

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all that bad.

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Yeah, he just needed a haircut, in a shave and

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right just right. Yeah, deece of shoes, you know the

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cast or the crew made shoes for him for this movie.

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Yeah, he.

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Is a Guinness World record holder. He wore a size

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twenty nine and a half shoe. Oh my gosh, yeah, yeah,

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miss amazing guy. Like if I know, I know, I'm

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getting off topic here a little bit, but this this gentleman.

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He actually he passed away from natural causes at age

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thirty two. He was pre he was he was pre law.

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This is a guy that wanted to be a lawyer,

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that was his dream, but because of his size, he

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kind of he kind of leaned into him. Was like,

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all right, I'll you know, he did like he was

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kind of like an oddity on The Howard Stern Show.

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And then that led to movie roles. You know, probably

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his most famous role would be, uh, he played Tiny

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in the Rob Zombie films, House of a Thousand Corpses

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and Devil's Rejects.

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I haven't seen this.

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You haven't seen them, and you Rob Zombie is not you. Okay,

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they're awesome. They're both awesome movies, but they're not for you.

467
00:26:12.039 --> 00:26:16.680
Amber Lewis, Yeah, I mean you called my reaction to

468
00:26:16.720 --> 00:26:18.039
Alien Romulus like.

469
00:26:18.039 --> 00:26:21.039
I did to the minute. Did I know exactly the

470
00:26:21.079 --> 00:26:21.759
minute that you were.

471
00:26:21.640 --> 00:26:27.799
Going exactly moment that I was like, yeah, well so

472
00:26:27.960 --> 00:26:30.319
I when you say they're not for me?

473
00:26:30.519 --> 00:26:33.799
Yeah, but Carl, Carl the giant.

474
00:26:34.440 --> 00:26:38.759
What's funny though he was like seven and a half

475
00:26:38.759 --> 00:26:43.960
feet tall, he was not that much taller than the

476
00:26:44.000 --> 00:26:45.880
giant that they had at the circus.

477
00:26:46.079 --> 00:26:48.839
Well in real life. Yeah, so it's like they.

478
00:26:48.799 --> 00:26:50.880
Used like forced perspective and stuff. But I just thought

479
00:26:50.880 --> 00:26:53.039
that was funny that like in real life they were

480
00:26:53.079 --> 00:26:54.920
like comfortable.

481
00:26:54.519 --> 00:26:56.759
Well, yeah, I think I think Burton's goal in this

482
00:26:56.799 --> 00:26:58.720
movie was to make him appear that he was ten

483
00:26:58.759 --> 00:27:01.960
feet tall rather than seven foot six, which I think

484
00:27:02.039 --> 00:27:04.599
is what his actual height was. But just I love

485
00:27:04.680 --> 00:27:07.960
the buddy, the buddy aspect that him and you McGregor have,

486
00:27:08.119 --> 00:27:11.039
like almost immediately, like you know, he's like, all right,

487
00:27:11.160 --> 00:27:12.680
we'll just wait for me to hold my pack. And

488
00:27:13.160 --> 00:27:16.039
when you McGregor gets out of this this specter town

489
00:27:16.079 --> 00:27:17.920
and he shows up all beat the hell, he's like,

490
00:27:18.640 --> 00:27:20.759
are you ready to go? Man? It's just like right,

491
00:27:21.200 --> 00:27:24.920
let's head on. So heading on they meet, they get

492
00:27:24.960 --> 00:27:28.279
to the circus, and we get we get Danny DeVito

493
00:27:28.559 --> 00:27:34.759
as the ring master slash slash werewolf. Like what, I

494
00:27:34.759 --> 00:27:39.079
gotta ask, what? Why? What? What purpose was there for

495
00:27:39.160 --> 00:27:42.200
Danny DeVito to be a werewolf on top of the

496
00:27:42.319 --> 00:27:43.240
character of the ring master?

497
00:27:43.960 --> 00:27:44.319
Why not?

498
00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:47.359
Why not? Okay, it's a fairy tale, it's a fairy tale.

499
00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:50.119
But he was already just he was already a unique individual,

500
00:27:50.240 --> 00:27:53.720
you know. Yeah, I just I thought that was strange.

501
00:27:54.119 --> 00:27:56.079
That's all a little weird.

502
00:27:56.279 --> 00:28:00.119
I think it answered the question, like I think sometimes

503
00:28:00.160 --> 00:28:03.440
the question is how do you end up joining the circus?

504
00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:11.960
Okay, so that so he was a wolf he would like. Yeah,

505
00:28:11.960 --> 00:28:15.039
but he's not like a ware a wolf man or

506
00:28:15.440 --> 00:28:18.359
a were wolf type. He I mean he when he transformed,

507
00:28:18.400 --> 00:28:20.640
he's like the Goomork from Never Ending Story. He's terrifying.

508
00:28:21.160 --> 00:28:24.240
He was, but until yeah, until he gets his belly rubbed.

509
00:28:24.079 --> 00:28:26.359
Right, he got he got stretches, and then he was happy.

510
00:28:26.440 --> 00:28:29.000
Yeah, all right, all right, yeah, very just I don't know.

511
00:28:29.440 --> 00:28:31.960
I love I love Danny DeVito in this you he

512
00:28:32.119 --> 00:28:37.279
is clearly just pulling pages of his Penguin work right

513
00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:40.400
down to like his his body language. He is playing

514
00:28:40.400 --> 00:28:42.240
the penguin in most of this movie. If you haven't,

515
00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:44.839
If you don't see that, then you didn't watch Batman

516
00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:47.359
returns at all I could do, right, But I do

517
00:28:47.519 --> 00:28:51.160
like him, but uh, it's gonna lead me into a

518
00:28:51.200 --> 00:28:54.200
scene here. Actually, I tell you what. Let's let's take

519
00:28:54.200 --> 00:28:57.559
a quick break and then we get back. We'll do something.

520
00:28:57.640 --> 00:28:59.279
We'll do some background. Well, but there's a couple of

521
00:28:59.279 --> 00:29:00.839
scenes I want to talk about, including one with Danny

522
00:29:00.880 --> 00:29:07.720
de Vito. If that's cool, Yeah, welcome back. We are

523
00:29:07.759 --> 00:29:14.720
discussing Tim Burton's two thousand and three fantasy drama Big Fish. Amber.

524
00:29:14.799 --> 00:29:16.759
I know you know probably a lot about this movie.

525
00:29:17.319 --> 00:29:20.839
Here's what I'll tell you what I know six months

526
00:29:20.839 --> 00:29:23.240
and it blows my mind. It's like it's a mystery

527
00:29:23.279 --> 00:29:26.720
to me. Six months before Daniel Wallace's nineteen ninety eight

528
00:29:26.759 --> 00:29:32.200
novel Big Fish, a novel of mythic proportions, is even published,

529
00:29:32.759 --> 00:29:37.039
screenwriter John August convinces Columbia Pictures to buy the film

530
00:29:37.119 --> 00:29:41.799
rights so he can write the screenplay. Now, if you're

531
00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:44.720
asking yourself, who is John August and how does he

532
00:29:44.799 --> 00:29:48.519
have this power to convince a studio to buy a

533
00:29:48.559 --> 00:29:52.799
book that's not even published, my answer is I don't know,

534
00:29:53.160 --> 00:29:57.599
because John August, like he makes his big splash in

535
00:29:57.680 --> 00:30:01.119
nineteen ninety nine when he writes Go for Doug Lyman,

536
00:30:01.839 --> 00:30:02.319
So who is.

537
00:30:02.359 --> 00:30:06.279
John Damon Johnson will say, there's your answer. Okay, he

538
00:30:06.319 --> 00:30:07.519
freaking loves that movie.

539
00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:11.119
He might, he might, but you would need a time machine. Also,

540
00:30:11.160 --> 00:30:14.759
because this is nineteen ninety eight when Doug la when

541
00:30:15.119 --> 00:30:17.440
John August is telling Columbia, hey, man, you gotta buy this,

542
00:30:18.200 --> 00:30:22.640
So I don't know. I'm already I'm immediately fascinated by

543
00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:25.160
John August and his back to.

544
00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:29.200
The movie The Player. I wonder if he knew someone

545
00:30:29.240 --> 00:30:30.119
who knew someone?

546
00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:31.119
Is that what it is?

547
00:30:31.240 --> 00:30:32.279
Some postcards?

548
00:30:32.839 --> 00:30:35.400
Or are you going to are you gonna are you

549
00:30:35.440 --> 00:30:38.680
gonna find a clever way to tie the player into

550
00:30:38.680 --> 00:30:42.720
all episodes for those you know just to dig at me.

551
00:30:43.279 --> 00:30:46.359
It's Hollywood, so it's not that hard to do. Although

552
00:30:46.599 --> 00:30:48.400
I did see an interview with Tim Burton where he

553
00:30:48.440 --> 00:30:52.880
was talking about this movie, and Charlie Rose asked him, like,

554
00:30:53.119 --> 00:30:56.599
what drew him to make this movie? And he said, well,

555
00:30:56.640 --> 00:30:59.799
in Hollywood, when you pitch a movie, it has to

556
00:30:59.799 --> 00:31:02.200
be like one page and you have to be able

557
00:31:02.200 --> 00:31:04.359
to like sum it up in one page. And you

558
00:31:04.440 --> 00:31:06.880
can't do that with this movie. And I was like,

559
00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:08.599
that's the kind of movie I want to make.

560
00:31:09.279 --> 00:31:13.160
Let's talk about what movie was almost made in two thousand.

561
00:31:13.519 --> 00:31:16.480
This has lined up for Steven Spielberg to direct, and

562
00:31:16.559 --> 00:31:19.799
he's looking at Jack Nicholson for the role of Ed Bloom.

563
00:31:20.880 --> 00:31:24.839
Let's let that marinate for a minute, because this as

564
00:31:24.960 --> 00:31:29.440
weird and fantastical. It is as it is, and you

565
00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:32.160
immediately think, yeah, this is definitely a Tim Burton film.

566
00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:36.680
Could this have been some kind of like ambum entertainment

567
00:31:37.359 --> 00:31:40.880
styled fantasy movie, like a could this have been a

568
00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:42.079
Steven Spielberg picture?

569
00:31:42.920 --> 00:31:46.200
Maybe the Steven Spielberg of now.

570
00:31:46.599 --> 00:31:48.720
Really of now, not of like eighties and nineties.

571
00:31:49.599 --> 00:31:53.000
Now, I feel like the Steven Spielberg that made The

572
00:31:53.000 --> 00:31:58.119
Fable Beans Okay, interesting, So I feel like the Steven

573
00:31:58.119 --> 00:32:01.519
Spielberg that made that movie could have made this movie.

574
00:32:01.599 --> 00:32:04.720
And because I feel like Tim Burton just approached it

575
00:32:04.759 --> 00:32:08.960
with a seriousness, even to the fairy tale part of it,

576
00:32:09.839 --> 00:32:13.079
you know, And that's what emotionally drags you through this

577
00:32:13.279 --> 00:32:18.119
story is you know, you are tied into the whimsy

578
00:32:18.400 --> 00:32:22.079
of these stories that he tells, and you want so

579
00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:25.400
badly for his son to see what you seem.

580
00:32:26.720 --> 00:32:31.880
Well, okay, but again back to Spielberg's thoughts, He's looking

581
00:32:31.880 --> 00:32:36.720
at your your boy. We know you love you, we

582
00:32:36.759 --> 00:32:40.519
know you love Jack. I don't Jack does this angry?

583
00:32:40.599 --> 00:32:42.680
I think he's too angry.

584
00:32:42.920 --> 00:32:46.279
I think maybe, yeah, I don't know. And he has

585
00:32:46.279 --> 00:32:50.319
a vulnerability in this where you see in his eyes

586
00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:53.359
like when Will comes at him and tells him like

587
00:32:53.440 --> 00:32:56.599
everything you say is a lie, and that is a

588
00:32:56.640 --> 00:32:59.920
really strong word to throw at somebody. Okay, the like

589
00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:03.720
pain in his face, but you know is.

590
00:33:03.759 --> 00:33:06.680
Okay, so maybe maybe Colonel Nathan, maybe Colonel Nathan or

591
00:33:06.759 --> 00:33:11.559
Jessop isn't lying in bed. Look my god, but you're

592
00:33:11.599 --> 00:33:14.880
like like like Jack from like terms of Endearment or

593
00:33:16.279 --> 00:33:20.480
or Cuckoo's Nest, which or which is of Eastwick? Like

594
00:33:20.519 --> 00:33:24.359
could like a less horny which is of Jack Nicholson

595
00:33:25.079 --> 00:33:27.119
because he was charming. He was charming you in that movie.

596
00:33:27.160 --> 00:33:28.160
I know that he was.

597
00:33:29.039 --> 00:33:33.000
He would definitely have been charming Mary and kutyar in

598
00:33:33.079 --> 00:33:34.759
the scene where she comes in to check.

599
00:33:34.599 --> 00:33:38.759
On him exactly. Well, I'll tell you something that Steven

600
00:33:39.359 --> 00:33:42.079
Spielberg was trying to do for you. He doesn't think

601
00:33:42.079 --> 00:33:44.680
there's enough to do for Jack in the movie, so

602
00:33:44.759 --> 00:33:46.880
he asked John August to rewrite the script and give

603
00:33:46.920 --> 00:33:50.839
Nicholson more scenes. Now, none of this happens, by the way,

604
00:33:50.880 --> 00:33:53.599
because Spielberg is a little he gets a little too

605
00:33:53.599 --> 00:33:56.119
busy with catch me if you can, with Tom Hanks

606
00:33:56.119 --> 00:33:59.839
and Leo so him and DreamWorks. Finally they leave the project.

607
00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:01.759
Script is restored to its original version.

608
00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:07.279
That's funny a story about total bullshit. To make a

609
00:34:07.319 --> 00:34:11.679
movie about a story that's total bullshit.

610
00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:13.840
You can't handle all this fantasy stuff I'm going to

611
00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:18.039
go this lire this liar, Yeah, from.

612
00:34:17.960 --> 00:34:20.199
A liar in the real world versus a liar in

613
00:34:20.239 --> 00:34:20.840
a fairy tale.

614
00:34:21.199 --> 00:34:26.119
Yeah. Now Burton, Burton had just lost his father when

615
00:34:26.159 --> 00:34:29.599
he gets this script, So the father son themes that

616
00:34:29.639 --> 00:34:32.840
are in play and the fantasy sequences, this makes it

617
00:34:32.880 --> 00:34:35.480
all but impossible for him to pass up. He's he's

618
00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:37.119
in immediately, right.

619
00:34:37.480 --> 00:34:41.599
Yeah, And I think that's, you know, part of what

620
00:34:41.800 --> 00:34:45.320
makes it so touching for me as well, Like, my

621
00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:50.760
dad died in two thousand and nine, and yeah, which

622
00:34:50.760 --> 00:34:52.320
seems it's like, oh, that was a long time ago,

623
00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:54.320
but it doesn't feel like it was a long time ago.

624
00:34:55.239 --> 00:35:01.119
Feels like it just happened sometimes. And you know, we

625
00:35:01.199 --> 00:35:05.320
didn't have the easiest relationship, and you know, your parents

626
00:35:05.320 --> 00:35:09.360
are challenging, and you know, I can't watch this movie

627
00:35:09.400 --> 00:35:11.519
without just bawling my eye. I go through like a

628
00:35:11.519 --> 00:35:15.719
whole box of Kleenex. Oh wow, you know, because to

629
00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:20.679
get that moment at the end where he finally accepts

630
00:35:20.760 --> 00:35:24.400
his dad for who he is is such a beautiful thing.

631
00:35:24.760 --> 00:35:28.119
I mean, oh, well, the buy in when his dad's

632
00:35:28.159 --> 00:35:32.039
asking him, you know, tell me that, tell me the story,

633
00:35:32.039 --> 00:35:32.760
and he's just.

634
00:35:32.639 --> 00:35:34.639
Tell the story of how I die. And he says,

635
00:35:34.679 --> 00:35:35.719
I don't know, you never told me that.

636
00:35:35.960 --> 00:35:38.039
You never told me, And he's like, tell me how

637
00:35:38.079 --> 00:35:41.239
it starts. And when you see Billy Krudup buy in

638
00:35:41.360 --> 00:35:44.960
completely to his his father's life, his father's legacy, it

639
00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:48.840
is it's a it's a beautiful moment. It is. It's hard.

640
00:35:49.079 --> 00:35:52.360
It's hard to not break down and cry when that

641
00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:55.719
moment happens, because you like, Albert Finney is doing something,

642
00:35:55.840 --> 00:35:59.239
he is so happy, he's elated in the arms of

643
00:35:59.239 --> 00:36:03.320
his son's and you just like like totally bought in,

644
00:36:03.480 --> 00:36:04.880
Like he's having fun with it.

645
00:36:04.960 --> 00:36:07.920
He's not just doing it, he's doing it with his

646
00:36:07.960 --> 00:36:08.639
whole heart.

647
00:36:09.199 --> 00:36:11.480
Well that and just see the fact that credit, you know,

648
00:36:12.320 --> 00:36:15.480
is relaying all these aspects from all these other stories.

649
00:36:16.360 --> 00:36:18.519
It kind of gives his father this idea like he

650
00:36:18.639 --> 00:36:21.719
was you know, Will was listening all along. Will he

651
00:36:21.800 --> 00:36:24.320
might not have bought into it, but he he believed

652
00:36:24.400 --> 00:36:27.960
enough to remember it right. Makes it amazing. I know,

653
00:36:28.079 --> 00:36:31.119
I know Burton has talked about how cathartic this was

654
00:36:31.199 --> 00:36:33.880
because he worked through a lot of his issues. He

655
00:36:34.079 --> 00:36:36.159
didn't have the greatest relationship with his father. He worked

656
00:36:36.159 --> 00:36:39.000
through a lot of his issues creating this film. So

657
00:36:39.079 --> 00:36:41.840
I think I think that anytime you hear you know,

658
00:36:41.880 --> 00:36:45.039
some of these movies have really wonderful behind the scenes stories.

659
00:36:45.159 --> 00:36:48.440
Some of them have this was a nightmare to work on.

660
00:36:49.519 --> 00:36:51.920
And when you hear the beautiful stories like like this

661
00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:55.800
one where it all kind of came together, everyone got along.

662
00:36:55.920 --> 00:36:59.320
Tim Burton crafts this, this beautiful story with these these

663
00:36:59.360 --> 00:37:02.800
amazing people, uh you know, these screenwriters and these these

664
00:37:02.800 --> 00:37:05.960
set designers. Colleen Atwood, I can't talk about Tim Burton

665
00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:09.239
without talking about her and her amazing costumes and her

666
00:37:09.280 --> 00:37:12.280
amazing wardrobe. Right, even in a movie like this where

667
00:37:12.280 --> 00:37:14.280
it's like, well, yeah, there's some fantasy stuff, but it's

668
00:37:14.280 --> 00:37:17.880
not this isn't Batman, right, but the fact that she

669
00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:22.960
creates such a vivid world, uh and and everyone's layered

670
00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:25.440
in these these colors and these these uh these fabrics,

671
00:37:25.480 --> 00:37:27.079
it's she's fantastic.

672
00:37:28.599 --> 00:37:32.800
And he brought it in on time and on budget. Like,

673
00:37:32.800 --> 00:37:34.079
wouldn't you ever hear that?

674
00:37:34.519 --> 00:37:38.159
You ever hear that? Well, does that for him to

675
00:37:38.199 --> 00:37:41.920
walk in and pick up a Steven Spielberg project and

676
00:37:41.920 --> 00:37:44.440
make it a Tim Burton film and beyond time and

677
00:37:44.440 --> 00:37:48.480
beyond underbudget. That's that's awesome. Uh, listen accolades too, we

678
00:37:48.480 --> 00:37:52.880
got to talk about real quick nominated the Academy Award

679
00:37:52.920 --> 00:37:56.079
for Best Original Score for Danny Elfman, and this is

680
00:37:56.119 --> 00:37:59.079
a gorgeous soundtrack. I wish, I wish we could have

681
00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:01.639
got Wayne Whited to talk a little bit about this one.

682
00:38:01.719 --> 00:38:04.599
We got to get him back, Camber. We've just his

683
00:38:04.599 --> 00:38:07.199
his scoring sessions with us, but we'll we'll definitely have

684
00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:10.719
him back soon. Danny Elfman nominated for the Academy Award

685
00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:13.559
for Best Picture for Best Original Score, And then we

686
00:38:13.599 --> 00:38:17.480
talk Golden Globe nominations. This one gets Best Motion Picture,

687
00:38:18.039 --> 00:38:20.800
Best Supporting Actor for Albert Finny, Best Original Score for

688
00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:23.840
Danny Elfman, Best Original Song for Pearl Jam's Man of

689
00:38:23.920 --> 00:38:29.400
the Hour. That song Wow, want of Pearl Jam's best.

690
00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:33.639
I don't care who you are. I love Pearl Jam.

691
00:38:33.920 --> 00:38:37.840
I've seen them. They're amazing in concert, They're amazing songwriters,

692
00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:42.599
they're amazing performers. I read where Tim Burton specifically asked

693
00:38:42.599 --> 00:38:45.159
them to do a song for the for the closing credits.

694
00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:48.159
He let them see a rough cut of the film.

695
00:38:48.880 --> 00:38:52.320
Band leaves weaving, Eddie Vedder writes the song like the

696
00:38:52.360 --> 00:38:55.119
following day they put it to music and it's back,

697
00:38:55.239 --> 00:38:59.199
Like it's back to Burton within days. And it's a

698
00:38:59.199 --> 00:39:01.400
beautiful song. It's such a such a.

699
00:39:01.360 --> 00:39:05.480
Touch good and like you need it after the end

700
00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:08.639
of the movie where you're just like emotionally destroyed it.

701
00:39:09.079 --> 00:39:12.239
Yeah, yeah, like you need this song and again the

702
00:39:12.320 --> 00:39:15.639
music's so good. In addition to the Oscars and the

703
00:39:15.639 --> 00:39:19.639
Golden Globes, this Grammy nomination for Best Score for Motion

704
00:39:19.760 --> 00:39:24.519
Picture for Danny Effman. Amazingly enough, all these nominations, big

705
00:39:24.519 --> 00:39:27.039
Fish doesn't win anything. I don't know I feel about that. Honestly.

706
00:39:27.679 --> 00:39:30.880
I feel like, you know, Tim Burton is one of

707
00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:36.840
those one of those artists that that doesn't get the

708
00:39:36.920 --> 00:39:38.079
respect he deserves.

709
00:39:38.360 --> 00:39:39.119
I believe you're right.

710
00:39:39.320 --> 00:39:42.199
I think people just love to kind of roll their

711
00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:44.199
eyes and be like, oh, he's doing some weird again,

712
00:39:44.400 --> 00:39:50.039
and you know they don't really, you know, appreciate the

713
00:39:50.079 --> 00:39:53.039
depth that that his movies have.

714
00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:55.639
I know we're starting to go along, but we gotta

715
00:39:55.639 --> 00:39:58.239
we gotta talk about the pivotal scene. I've got mine,

716
00:39:58.280 --> 00:40:00.320
but I want to before I before I share, I

717
00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:03.639
want to hear what does Amber Lewis believe is the

718
00:40:03.679 --> 00:40:06.639
pivotal scene in this film.

719
00:40:06.760 --> 00:40:10.239
It's hard to pick because there's so many, like beautiful

720
00:40:11.360 --> 00:40:16.000
visual moments like the daffodils and you know, it just

721
00:40:16.239 --> 00:40:18.159
seems to just take your breath away. But for me,

722
00:40:18.320 --> 00:40:24.440
the pivotal scene is when Will goes to see Jenny

723
00:40:25.440 --> 00:40:31.119
and Helen about it. Carter tells him, you know, this

724
00:40:31.199 --> 00:40:34.719
is the truth about the man that your father really is.

725
00:40:34.960 --> 00:40:40.320
And he loved your mother more than anything in the world,

726
00:40:40.400 --> 00:40:42.480
and he loved you more than anything in the world.

727
00:40:43.079 --> 00:40:46.480
And he did all these good things for all of

728
00:40:46.480 --> 00:40:50.760
these people that you never even saw. You had no idea,

729
00:40:51.719 --> 00:40:54.079
and that whole sequence just.

730
00:40:54.880 --> 00:40:56.840
I do you love that one? And you know, we

731
00:40:56.880 --> 00:41:01.440
didn't mention Helen about him Carter earlier, and we shame

732
00:41:01.480 --> 00:41:05.199
on us because this woman is playing not one, not two,

733
00:41:05.199 --> 00:41:08.159
but three roles in this film. She's you know, she's

734
00:41:08.199 --> 00:41:12.000
the young Jenny, she's the older Jenny, she's the old Witch.

735
00:41:13.000 --> 00:41:17.960
Which I read it took five hours for her to

736
00:41:17.960 --> 00:41:21.000
put on put on that makeup, which that shows.

737
00:41:20.760 --> 00:41:24.320
You how good that makeup is. Because I think Helen

738
00:41:24.360 --> 00:41:28.679
the bottom Carter is very beautiful, but like the makeup's

739
00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:31.039
not that overt.

740
00:41:31.880 --> 00:41:34.280
No, like she just looks like a.

741
00:41:34.239 --> 00:41:40.840
Person, very unusual looking person, but she it's not outlandish.

742
00:41:41.000 --> 00:41:43.639
No, this isn't like fantasy movie outlandish, even though we're

743
00:41:43.679 --> 00:41:46.880
in a fantasy movie. Yeah, she's playing a witch, but

744
00:41:46.920 --> 00:41:49.480
she's not like the they're not.

745
00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:52.320
Is she a witch or is she just a weird

746
00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:54.480
old lady that lives in the swamp.

747
00:41:54.639 --> 00:41:58.400
You know, you got to give her credit to Amber

748
00:41:58.480 --> 00:42:01.000
because for anyone to sit in a makeup chair for

749
00:42:01.039 --> 00:42:02.920
five hours, that takes well.

750
00:42:03.159 --> 00:42:04.039
She was pregnant.

751
00:42:04.320 --> 00:42:05.880
While she was pregnant, right and.

752
00:42:05.920 --> 00:42:11.320
Had morning sickness, Like, yeah, that's some control.

753
00:42:11.360 --> 00:42:15.440
She's She's she's tough. I love I love the Witch,

754
00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:19.079
that the whole thing, Like you look at her her

755
00:42:19.079 --> 00:42:20.480
magic eye and you'll see how you die.

756
00:42:21.679 --> 00:42:26.760
I love that whole sequence. That's probably the first time

757
00:42:26.760 --> 00:42:32.039
I cry. And then is when young Edwards says, no,

758
00:42:32.199 --> 00:42:36.039
I want to know, because then after that, like you know, well,

759
00:42:36.320 --> 00:42:38.880
I can live through anything because I know how it's

760
00:42:38.920 --> 00:42:42.000
gonna end. So whatever bad happens to me doesn't have

761
00:42:42.039 --> 00:42:45.559
to be scary because I already know this.

762
00:42:45.639 --> 00:42:49.079
And how I go, Yeah, great moment, and I just

763
00:42:49.199 --> 00:42:53.320
love that I'm going to give you my pivotal scene. Yes,

764
00:42:54.320 --> 00:42:57.519
and I'm quoting the movie here. They say when you

765
00:42:57.519 --> 00:43:02.239
meet the love of your life, time stops, and that's true.

766
00:43:02.519 --> 00:43:05.159
When Ed sees Sondra for the first time at the

767
00:43:05.199 --> 00:43:09.840
circus and slowly approaches her through the frozen obstacles that

768
00:43:09.880 --> 00:43:14.960
separate them, just passing through, everything's just stopped. And I

769
00:43:14.960 --> 00:43:17.719
remember watching this in the theater and as I'm thinking

770
00:43:17.719 --> 00:43:19.719
about this scene. Now, you know, earlier I said I

771
00:43:19.760 --> 00:43:21.159
like it, I don't love it, but now I'm thinking

772
00:43:21.519 --> 00:43:22.719
I like it a lot. I don't know if I

773
00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:24.760
love it, because now I'm falling in love with it

774
00:43:24.800 --> 00:43:27.599
as I talk about this. But even when he kind

775
00:43:27.599 --> 00:43:33.000
of softly pushes the popcorncor out of the way, you know,

776
00:43:33.079 --> 00:43:37.239
that's that's flying through the air man. That is it's

777
00:43:37.280 --> 00:43:39.599
my favorite moment of the movie. And it's it's not

778
00:43:39.719 --> 00:43:43.519
just because of the special effects that are involved. It's

779
00:43:43.719 --> 00:43:47.840
just his look of love at first sight. And then

780
00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:51.079
we slowly trek in on Alison Loman, who is just

781
00:43:51.159 --> 00:43:55.719
a vision who's just stunning in that dress, and you're like, yep,

782
00:43:55.760 --> 00:43:58.119
I get it, I totally understand love it. Like this

783
00:43:58.119 --> 00:44:01.519
this movie scene makes you understand the concept of love

784
00:44:01.559 --> 00:44:03.239
at first sight as far as I'm concerned.

785
00:44:03.920 --> 00:44:05.039
Yep. Absolutely.

786
00:44:05.840 --> 00:44:09.920
Let's take one more break and then Amber, I want

787
00:44:09.920 --> 00:44:14.559
to hear what you think about some of Tim Burton's filmography.

788
00:44:18.360 --> 00:44:22.840
We are back talking about Tim Burton. Amber. This is

789
00:44:22.920 --> 00:44:26.119
not the first Tim Burton episode that we've done. David

790
00:44:26.119 --> 00:44:29.840
and I actually covered Mars Attacks, and if you haven't

791
00:44:29.840 --> 00:44:34.599
seen that movie, it is just an absolute fun time

792
00:44:34.840 --> 00:44:38.679
at the movies. It is. It's his goofy homage to

793
00:44:39.039 --> 00:44:42.639
nineteen fifty sci fi alien invasion movies. And when I

794
00:44:42.639 --> 00:44:45.559
say everybody's in it, I mean everybody is in it.

795
00:44:45.679 --> 00:44:48.159
Jack Nicholson as the President, you got Glenn Close as

796
00:44:48.199 --> 00:44:53.559
the first Lady, Sarah Jessica Parker, Michael J. Fox, Jim Brown.

797
00:44:54.400 --> 00:44:55.960
I could go on and on. I'm not going to.

798
00:44:56.199 --> 00:44:58.559
What I will tell you to do is go back

799
00:44:58.679 --> 00:45:03.480
listen to our Mars tax episode. For Tim Burton. We talked,

800
00:45:03.639 --> 00:45:07.239
We talked very extensively about his background and his filmography,

801
00:45:07.519 --> 00:45:09.280
so we're not gonna do that again. I don't want

802
00:45:09.280 --> 00:45:13.000
to retread because people already know what I think of

803
00:45:13.000 --> 00:45:15.480
his fhmography. But what I would like to do, I

804
00:45:15.599 --> 00:45:18.079
like to share a few fun things about Tim Burton

805
00:45:18.480 --> 00:45:21.239
and then let's play his greatest hits. I want to

806
00:45:21.239 --> 00:45:24.280
know Amber. I want to know the Amber Lewis take

807
00:45:24.880 --> 00:45:28.199
on some of his movies. If that's cool. Okay, So

808
00:45:28.280 --> 00:45:31.639
a few fun things about Tim Burton. Nearly everywhere he goes,

809
00:45:32.519 --> 00:45:37.480
he always has a pocket sized sketchbook and some watercolors

810
00:45:37.880 --> 00:45:39.800
ready to go. He's always ready to sketch, He's always

811
00:45:39.800 --> 00:45:43.159
ready to write. You will not find him without a

812
00:45:43.199 --> 00:45:46.599
small sketch book on his person. The ever the artist.

813
00:45:46.679 --> 00:45:47.960
I love that about him.

814
00:45:48.239 --> 00:45:50.920
That I love it. That is amazing.

815
00:45:51.840 --> 00:45:54.719
Now if you've seen, if you're familiar with his work,

816
00:45:54.760 --> 00:45:56.800
you know he not only does he have no problem

817
00:45:56.840 --> 00:46:02.519
with clowns, he loves him. Meanwhile, very fearful of chimpanzees.

818
00:46:02.559 --> 00:46:04.360
He has a phobia of chimpanzees.

819
00:46:04.920 --> 00:46:06.880
Well, I can't blame him on that one.

820
00:46:07.840 --> 00:46:09.800
Kind of It's unusual though, when you think that he

821
00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:12.159
directed a plan of the ah Tree Bach So I

822
00:46:12.159 --> 00:46:14.119
don't know if that's just him working through his issues.

823
00:46:14.480 --> 00:46:16.840
Right what? But I mean those were people, they.

824
00:46:16.760 --> 00:46:21.519
Weren't you know? We mentioned we mentioned Spielberg earlier. Spielberg

825
00:46:21.559 --> 00:46:24.840
almost asked him to direct Grimlins in nineteen eighty four,

826
00:46:25.760 --> 00:46:28.400
but ultimately he went with Joe Dante because Burton had

827
00:46:28.440 --> 00:46:30.360
never directed a feature length film.

828
00:46:30.519 --> 00:46:32.519
I might have liked Gremlins if he had made it.

829
00:46:33.119 --> 00:46:35.679
Well, I love Grimlins, and I might be I would

830
00:46:35.679 --> 00:46:38.079
have loved it more. That's that's one of the best

831
00:46:38.119 --> 00:46:43.199
Christmas out there. Oh god, no oh Amber, Amber.

832
00:46:42.880 --> 00:46:44.440
No no, no, no, no, no, no no.

833
00:46:45.280 --> 00:46:46.039
I don't know what to say.

834
00:46:46.400 --> 00:46:49.920
I even watched it again last year, like trying to

835
00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:51.800
make it happen, and no.

836
00:46:52.639 --> 00:46:58.920
You're missing out, you are missing out. Rattle one last thing.

837
00:47:00.360 --> 00:47:03.480
Fun quote here, This is what Tim Burton has to

838
00:47:03.480 --> 00:47:08.239
say about becoming a movie director. Quote. There was one moment,

839
00:47:08.440 --> 00:47:11.400
and it happened in school. I had a big final exam.

840
00:47:11.760 --> 00:47:14.559
We were supposed to write a twenty page report on

841
00:47:14.639 --> 00:47:18.320
this book about Houdini. I probably would have loved reading it,

842
00:47:18.599 --> 00:47:20.760
but I didn't, so I just decided to make a

843
00:47:20.760 --> 00:47:23.840
little super eight movie based on it. I tied myself

844
00:47:23.840 --> 00:47:26.440
to the railroad tracks and all that. I mean, this

845
00:47:26.559 --> 00:47:28.840
is kids stuff, but it impressed the teacher and I

846
00:47:28.880 --> 00:47:32.760
got an a and that was maybe my first turning

847
00:47:32.840 --> 00:47:36.280
point when I said, yeah, I wouldn't mind being a filmmaker.

848
00:47:36.800 --> 00:47:38.960
I love that. I love those stories, like you know,

849
00:47:39.039 --> 00:47:43.000
Steven Spielberg with the super Air eight Yeah, camera and

850
00:47:44.760 --> 00:47:47.840
Gamero de Toro is another one, you know, like blowing

851
00:47:47.960 --> 00:47:51.599
up their kitchen instead of putting their sister in the movie.

852
00:47:51.760 --> 00:47:56.320
You know, like Amberg, young young Tim Burton in your classroom?

853
00:47:56.320 --> 00:47:57.920
Does he get Do you give him an A for

854
00:47:58.039 --> 00:47:58.719
this project?

855
00:47:59.480 --> 00:48:00.280
Absolutely?

856
00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:00.880
Absolutely?

857
00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:03.400
He would have been one of my favorites. All right.

858
00:48:03.440 --> 00:48:04.519
I love the weird ones.

859
00:48:05.639 --> 00:48:09.880
Well we got so we got forty one credits to

860
00:48:10.039 --> 00:48:13.239
his his name. When when we're looking as directing, we

861
00:48:13.320 --> 00:48:15.039
do we don't have time for all of them. And

862
00:48:15.159 --> 00:48:17.280
I know we're doing fast, we're doing we're doing quick takes,

863
00:48:17.280 --> 00:48:20.599
but I do want to hear hear your side on

864
00:48:20.639 --> 00:48:24.000
some of these. Did you ever see Let's start with

865
00:48:24.079 --> 00:48:27.039
nineteen eighty forty, you know it's the fortieth anniversary of

866
00:48:27.079 --> 00:48:29.840
his short Franken Winnie. Did you ever see that? Yes,

867
00:48:30.559 --> 00:48:31.280
your thoughts.

868
00:48:31.800 --> 00:48:35.599
I didn't like really remember it until he made the

869
00:48:35.639 --> 00:48:39.519
full length version and I was like, oh my god,

870
00:48:39.639 --> 00:48:42.920
it's the same exacty, it's a little bit longer.

871
00:48:43.639 --> 00:48:45.880
Nineteen eighty five, peeweez, Big Adventure.

872
00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:48.360
Oh my god, this is the movie that I've probably

873
00:48:48.400 --> 00:48:56.320
seen the most because my brothers and I watched it, like, nonstope,

874
00:48:56.880 --> 00:48:59.559
I want that thing that makes the breakfast that we

875
00:48:59.760 --> 00:49:00.800
go machine.

876
00:49:00.920 --> 00:49:03.480
Who has room in their in their kitchen for that?

877
00:49:03.559 --> 00:49:06.000
I don't, but I'm with you. I wouldn't mind having

878
00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:09.360
it until then. I'll just enjoy mister t cereal. Uh.

879
00:49:09.960 --> 00:49:12.320
Nineteen eighty eight Beetlejuice.

880
00:49:13.280 --> 00:49:16.599
I quote this movie like all the time to Liam.

881
00:49:16.639 --> 00:49:18.639
If you don't let me cut at this house and

882
00:49:18.639 --> 00:49:20.639
make it my own, I will go out. Second.

883
00:49:22.920 --> 00:49:25.360
Are you excited? Uh? We got the new Beetle Beetlejuice,

884
00:49:25.360 --> 00:49:28.440
Beetle Cass coming out. It just came out this past weekend. Like,

885
00:49:28.480 --> 00:49:30.440
so can we got we gotta.

886
00:49:30.199 --> 00:49:30.760
Get the theater.

887
00:49:31.079 --> 00:49:33.559
We got it? Yeah, all right, we won't wait anymore. Well,

888
00:49:33.679 --> 00:49:36.519
let's wrap this up and we'll go see it. Ninety

889
00:49:36.519 --> 00:49:37.199
eight nine.

890
00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:40.559
Second best superhero movie ever made.

891
00:49:41.440 --> 00:49:42.159
I'll stand by that.

892
00:49:42.199 --> 00:49:45.360
We listened to the soundtrack going to the Pool that

893
00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:46.360
entire summer.

894
00:49:46.800 --> 00:49:52.239
That was the bomb. That Prince soundtrack was awful, but

895
00:49:52.360 --> 00:49:55.440
we listened to it because it was awesome. Come on,

896
00:49:55.880 --> 00:49:59.679
bat Dance, you're gonna tell me that you loved bat Dance. Yeah, okay,

897
00:49:59.719 --> 00:50:00.960
I mean we loved it any nine.

898
00:50:01.760 --> 00:50:04.119
They played it on Sirius Xtend the other day and

899
00:50:04.199 --> 00:50:07.559
like it was blaring. The windows of my car were vibrating.

900
00:50:08.239 --> 00:50:11.119
I quote, Prince, get the funk out. Just we're moving on.

901
00:50:12.800 --> 00:50:15.880
Nineteen ninety he does one of my favorites, Edward Scissorhands.

902
00:50:16.440 --> 00:50:19.320
Yeah, I can't watch it like I just I mean,

903
00:50:19.360 --> 00:50:21.719
you get what like part at the yeah, the part

904
00:50:21.760 --> 00:50:23.599
at the end when she says before he came and

905
00:50:23.719 --> 00:50:30.159
never snowed, like I completely dissolve. I'm a wreck. I

906
00:50:30.199 --> 00:50:31.840
think it's such a beautiful movie.

907
00:50:32.239 --> 00:50:36.599
Edward Scissorhands is one of the Tim Burton Christmas Trilogy movies.

908
00:50:37.280 --> 00:50:42.880
The next one is nineteen ninety two's Batman Returns Hot

909
00:50:42.880 --> 00:50:45.760
Take better than Batman? No, no, my hot take is

910
00:50:45.760 --> 00:50:46.639
better than Batman. What I mean?

911
00:50:46.679 --> 00:50:51.840
No, you can't just because Danny DeVito is so disgusting, like.

912
00:50:51.800 --> 00:50:53.159
The penguin, he's awesome.

913
00:50:53.159 --> 00:50:56.159
We want to just barf like a chicken. So like

914
00:50:56.199 --> 00:51:01.199
I watch it for Michelle Pfeiffer and that's now.

915
00:51:01.920 --> 00:51:05.639
Now now I paraphrase Max Shrek Amber, shame on you.

916
00:51:06.519 --> 00:51:12.119
All right, We're moving on nineteen ninety four, Edwood. This

917
00:51:12.199 --> 00:51:13.920
gets you saw once?

918
00:51:14.559 --> 00:51:16.360
Yeah, like when it came out.

919
00:51:16.960 --> 00:51:19.679
Next time you see Dave Burns, ask him to tell

920
00:51:19.679 --> 00:51:23.719
you a funny ed Wood story. He's, Oh, yeah, that's

921
00:51:24.320 --> 00:51:29.000
a funny Edwood story involving fifty dollars. That's it. I'm

922
00:51:29.039 --> 00:51:32.000
still just like, son of a bitch. What is my

923
00:51:32.119 --> 00:51:36.840
reaction to it? Dave, I know you're listening, so you'll

924
00:51:36.840 --> 00:51:38.079
have to You'll have to hit Amber up and let

925
00:51:38.119 --> 00:51:41.239
her know what I'm talking about. Nineteen ninety six, we

926
00:51:41.400 --> 00:51:46.719
covered his his sci fi comedy extravaganza Mars Attacks. It

927
00:51:46.840 --> 00:51:50.639
is just so over the top hilarious. Amber, I'm gonna

928
00:51:50.639 --> 00:51:52.760
give you a guarantee you watch this, you're gonna absolutely

929
00:51:52.800 --> 00:51:53.119
love it.

930
00:51:53.760 --> 00:51:56.199
I'm sure. I don't know why I haven't watched it.

931
00:51:56.400 --> 00:52:00.079
Yeah, I don't know it, but you're gonna enjoy it.

932
00:52:00.119 --> 00:52:04.079
But on the List nineteen ninety nine, he he goes

933
00:52:04.079 --> 00:52:05.719
scary with a sleepy.

934
00:52:05.320 --> 00:52:08.159
Hollow, like really scary.

935
00:52:08.039 --> 00:52:10.360
Really scary, and I love.

936
00:52:10.440 --> 00:52:13.159
My favorite thing about this movie is the Johnny Depp

937
00:52:13.239 --> 00:52:18.960
based Nikobob crane on like a mixture of Angela Lansbury

938
00:52:19.039 --> 00:52:21.639
and murder. She wrote, and like a twelve year old

939
00:52:21.639 --> 00:52:23.760
girl who's like squeamish about everything.

940
00:52:24.960 --> 00:52:28.800
I'm like, beause it's also smart because he's he's playing

941
00:52:28.800 --> 00:52:32.960
it more like a forensic detective. Yes, and I've talked.

942
00:52:33.280 --> 00:52:35.239
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna give

943
00:52:35.239 --> 00:52:38.400
his name, but I talked to an adult man a

944
00:52:38.480 --> 00:52:41.360
couple of weeks ago. We were talking about Tim Burton

945
00:52:41.639 --> 00:52:44.079
and we talked about Sleepy Hollow, and he was like, no,

946
00:52:44.199 --> 00:52:45.199
I never saw it. I was like, what do you

947
00:52:45.239 --> 00:52:46.639
What do you mean you never saw it's awesome because

948
00:52:47.119 --> 00:52:50.159
it's too scary. I was like, yeah, but it came

949
00:52:50.199 --> 00:52:53.320
out nineteen ninety nine and you were an adult. He's like,

950
00:52:53.519 --> 00:52:56.880
it just I didn't want to be it just too scary.

951
00:52:57.000 --> 00:52:59.480
Okay, fair enough, but it is scary.

952
00:52:59.559 --> 00:53:01.239
I told it. I was like, go go check it out. Yeah,

953
00:53:01.239 --> 00:53:05.199
it's awesome. Two thousand and one. I'm gonna say this

954
00:53:05.239 --> 00:53:09.159
is his first misstep. The remake is Mark Wahlberg.

955
00:53:09.599 --> 00:53:13.400
I love the original. I hate Mark Wahlberg, so it

956
00:53:13.440 --> 00:53:15.159
was so easy to pass on this one.

957
00:53:15.400 --> 00:53:20.000
You okay, well, I I'm not a fan of it.

958
00:53:20.320 --> 00:53:24.079
I'll leave it at that. I own it, but that's

959
00:53:24.079 --> 00:53:26.280
just because I owned the box set with all of them.

960
00:53:26.079 --> 00:53:29.679
So oh, okay, you have to yeah.

961
00:53:29.719 --> 00:53:32.559
Two thousand and three, we've been talking about big Fish

962
00:53:32.599 --> 00:53:35.880
this hour. Two thousand and five. I'm sorry, I amber

963
00:53:36.079 --> 00:53:39.960
another misstep. Charlie and the Chocolate, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.

964
00:53:41.679 --> 00:53:43.639
I maybe it's just I don't want Tim Burton to

965
00:53:43.639 --> 00:53:47.960
do remakes. I love his original stuff, but I just

966
00:53:48.000 --> 00:53:49.920
did not care for I love Johnny Depp, but I

967
00:53:49.920 --> 00:53:53.280
did not care for his his uh, his Willy Wonka.

968
00:53:53.719 --> 00:53:56.679
And maybe that's just because he's not Maybe maybe because

969
00:53:57.239 --> 00:54:00.880
it's because he's not Gene Wilder. I don't know.

970
00:54:00.960 --> 00:54:03.400
I just I mean that was hard get over. But

971
00:54:03.559 --> 00:54:08.599
I really love that it's closer to the book, so

972
00:54:08.679 --> 00:54:10.800
I feel like there's enough room to love them both.

973
00:54:11.119 --> 00:54:13.599
Like what Johnny Depp was doing with his anti Lennox haircut,

974
00:54:13.679 --> 00:54:19.599
I just well, Okay, he he got me. Though, he's

975
00:54:19.599 --> 00:54:21.440
still I'm still loyal. In two thousand and five though,

976
00:54:21.480 --> 00:54:23.960
because he's got two movies coming out, he also does

977
00:54:23.960 --> 00:54:27.559
The Corpse Bride. Yes your thoughts.

978
00:54:27.599 --> 00:54:32.559
Love Corpse Bride. Love it. Love the music. The songs

979
00:54:32.599 --> 00:54:36.320
are so good, and I'm a big fan of Stop

980
00:54:36.360 --> 00:54:37.199
Mission animation.

981
00:54:37.960 --> 00:54:40.519
Yeah, I mean, we'll stop. So we had been. We

982
00:54:40.559 --> 00:54:43.000
had been waiting for him for more of this ever

983
00:54:43.039 --> 00:54:44.400
since The Night Before.

984
00:54:44.159 --> 00:54:47.159
Christmas, which is not a Tim Burton movie.

985
00:54:47.039 --> 00:54:49.239
Is not a timp. That's why you know people are going, wait,

986
00:54:49.239 --> 00:54:51.000
why did he pass? Why did he pass? That? I

987
00:54:51.000 --> 00:54:53.920
didn't And unofficially that would be the third movie in

988
00:54:53.960 --> 00:54:57.360
the Christmas trilogy by by Tim Burton, even though he

989
00:54:57.400 --> 00:55:00.679
didn't direct it. So but Corpse, I enjoy it. I

990
00:55:00.679 --> 00:55:01.559
thought I thought was fun.

991
00:55:02.039 --> 00:55:03.920
M hm, really really good.

992
00:55:04.119 --> 00:55:06.599
I'll tell you what else I enjoyed. The first Tim

993
00:55:06.599 --> 00:55:10.400
Burton musical, real music that we get two thousand and seven,

994
00:55:10.559 --> 00:55:13.679
he does Sweeney Todd, The Demon Barbara fleet Street. Are

995
00:55:13.679 --> 00:55:15.000
you a fan of this one?

996
00:55:15.320 --> 00:55:19.880
No? You and Liam? Liam loves Sweeney Todd.

997
00:55:21.559 --> 00:55:23.320
Are you telling me Alan Rickman's not even if they

998
00:55:23.320 --> 00:55:24.719
get you on board with this one?

999
00:55:25.440 --> 00:55:30.800
When you've seen Angela Ansberry play Missus love it you

1000
00:55:30.840 --> 00:55:34.119
cannot watch anyone else. And I love it on a

1001
00:55:34.119 --> 00:55:39.440
bottom carter, but you can't sing, And so the answer

1002
00:55:39.519 --> 00:55:43.840
is no, all right, I'm gonna I don't really like

1003
00:55:43.880 --> 00:55:45.559
Sweeney Todd, but if I'm gonna listen to it, it's

1004
00:55:45.599 --> 00:55:46.440
gonna be the OBC.

1005
00:55:47.440 --> 00:55:52.239
Well, I loved it. I did not love yet another

1006
00:55:52.280 --> 00:55:55.880
remake that he does in twenty ten, Alice in Wonderland.

1007
00:55:56.880 --> 00:55:58.920
All right, you like it? Okay, all right?

1008
00:55:59.639 --> 00:56:02.360
How about how about twenty twelve he does Dark Shadows.

1009
00:56:02.800 --> 00:56:04.079
I think you have to be a fan of the.

1010
00:56:04.599 --> 00:56:09.360
Here's What right, the original soap opera and loved it,

1011
00:56:09.800 --> 00:56:12.199
and this is not that. Like you have to go

1012
00:56:12.280 --> 00:56:16.280
on Amazon Prime and watch the original soap opera to

1013
00:56:16.480 --> 00:56:19.800
truly appreciate how Bunker's crazy.

1014
00:56:19.840 --> 00:56:23.440
It was all right, Well, moving right along. I know

1015
00:56:23.480 --> 00:56:26.639
you said that you had seen the full length franken

1016
00:56:26.639 --> 00:56:28.719
Wine that he comes up with in twenty twelve.

1017
00:56:28.840 --> 00:56:29.800
It's very sweet.

1018
00:56:30.519 --> 00:56:33.559
Did you watch this one? Almost made the cut. I

1019
00:56:33.599 --> 00:56:38.119
was looking at this movie until you hijacked the production

1020
00:56:38.199 --> 00:56:40.840
and said, no, we're doing Big Fish. I was looking

1021
00:56:40.880 --> 00:56:42.960
at twenty fourteen. He does a movie called Big Eyes.

1022
00:56:43.360 --> 00:56:45.000
Did you Chase not see this one?

1023
00:56:45.360 --> 00:56:46.719
I kind of want to see this one.

1024
00:56:46.920 --> 00:56:48.480
I want to see it for Christoph Waltz.

1025
00:56:49.199 --> 00:56:52.679
Yeah, I mean Christoph Waltz and who else we got

1026
00:56:52.719 --> 00:56:56.239
into playing his wife Ammy Adams, Amy Adams, Yeah, Kristin

1027
00:56:56.280 --> 00:57:01.039
Ritters in this Danny Houston a drama about the awakening

1028
00:57:01.199 --> 00:57:05.079
of painter Margaret Keene, her phenomenal success in the nineteen

1029
00:57:05.119 --> 00:57:09.440
fifties and the subsequent legal difficulty she had with her husband,

1030
00:57:09.440 --> 00:57:12.079
who claimed credit for all her work. I watched the

1031
00:57:12.119 --> 00:57:14.880
trailer and I was like, I this does not look

1032
00:57:14.920 --> 00:57:16.480
like a Tim Burton movie at all, by the way,

1033
00:57:17.000 --> 00:57:18.800
doesn't feel like one. Doesn't look like one. I want

1034
00:57:18.800 --> 00:57:21.119
to see it, but who knows. Maybe next year we'll

1035
00:57:21.119 --> 00:57:23.719
we'll do another Tim Burton one, and it'll be since

1036
00:57:23.760 --> 00:57:25.920
it won't be Sweeney Todd, I guess it'll be Big Eyes.

1037
00:57:27.159 --> 00:57:29.320
I mean, you'll just have to you know, I have

1038
00:57:29.360 --> 00:57:31.480
to have Liam write all my copy for me.

1039
00:57:31.920 --> 00:57:33.639
I gotta tell you. I almost feel like this is

1040
00:57:33.679 --> 00:57:36.519
the perfect time for a Tim Burton episode because this

1041
00:57:36.679 --> 00:57:40.000
next film was mentioned to me just days ago, and

1042
00:57:40.000 --> 00:57:41.840
I didn't mention. I didn't say anything about us covering

1043
00:57:41.880 --> 00:57:45.960
Tim Burton. But my sister Molly actually asked me about

1044
00:57:46.159 --> 00:57:49.599
Missus Peregrine's Home for Peculiar Children. We were talking movies,

1045
00:57:49.639 --> 00:57:50.679
and I was like, I've never heard of it. What

1046
00:57:50.679 --> 00:57:52.440
are you talking about? She's like, what do you mean

1047
00:57:52.480 --> 00:57:54.039
you didn't hear about? It's a Tim Burton movie. I

1048
00:57:54.079 --> 00:57:57.239
was like, is it and then even my dad was like, yeah,

1049
00:57:57.280 --> 00:57:59.079
it's got Eva Green it. My dad's a big Eva

1050
00:57:59.119 --> 00:58:01.719
Green fan, by the way, so if she did a movie,

1051
00:58:01.960 --> 00:58:04.599
show like, oh, so you know you know it too.

1052
00:58:04.639 --> 00:58:08.800
But my sister she was was giving a lot of

1053
00:58:08.800 --> 00:58:12.679
praise to this film. So in any movie with Samuel

1054
00:58:12.800 --> 00:58:15.599
Jackson and Judy Dinch seems like it needs to be

1055
00:58:15.599 --> 00:58:18.079
a must watch. So I'm probably gonna check that out

1056
00:58:18.119 --> 00:58:21.760
this weekend. You said you haven't seen it. Nope, all right, Dan,

1057
00:58:21.840 --> 00:58:22.599
but we got homework.

1058
00:58:23.280 --> 00:58:25.960
I know, I've got it like a old Tim Burton marathon.

1059
00:58:25.920 --> 00:58:27.679
Tim Burton marathon, playing it right, all right, we're the

1060
00:58:27.679 --> 00:58:31.280
most dumb twenty nineteen. He does Dumbo. You know, Disney's

1061
00:58:31.280 --> 00:58:34.599
doing all these live action remakes and yeah, I don't care.

1062
00:58:34.599 --> 00:58:35.719
I don't care for any of them.

1063
00:58:35.760 --> 00:58:38.599
So yeah, I haven't been a fan, so I haven't.

1064
00:58:39.079 --> 00:58:41.159
All right, good, I haven't seen that.

1065
00:58:41.199 --> 00:58:43.199
Well that's all we got to say about that, and

1066
00:58:43.199 --> 00:58:45.559
that leads us. He did a little bit of work

1067
00:58:45.599 --> 00:58:49.320
on the Wednesday Show, the TV series.

1068
00:58:50.480 --> 00:58:53.639
So ashamed to say I haven't seen Liam watched it

1069
00:58:53.639 --> 00:58:56.079
and that was the greatest thing ever and I don't

1070
00:58:56.159 --> 00:58:58.320
know why I haven't gotten around to it, but.

1071
00:58:59.199 --> 00:59:01.840
I get around to it originally. At some point, I'm

1072
00:59:01.840 --> 00:59:03.800
going to end my feud with Netflix because it is

1073
00:59:03.840 --> 00:59:06.199
a Netflix original show. So yes, I haven't seen it

1074
00:59:06.199 --> 00:59:09.519
for that, but you know, like I said this past weekend, Beetlejuice,

1075
00:59:09.519 --> 00:59:14.639
Beetlejuice is out. It is just dominating at the box office,

1076
00:59:14.760 --> 00:59:15.960
and I'm excited to see it.

1077
00:59:16.320 --> 00:59:19.719
Yeah, I haven't really watched. I saw one trailer and

1078
00:59:19.800 --> 00:59:22.960
I think it was like the teaser trailer, and I

1079
00:59:22.960 --> 00:59:25.159
haven't watched anything else because I don't want to know.

1080
00:59:25.320 --> 00:59:30.559
I want to just go in cold. But Michael Keaton,

1081
00:59:31.079 --> 00:59:32.800
I saw a couple of interviews with him and he

1082
00:59:32.840 --> 00:59:35.800
looks like so excited, like he's having the time of

1083
00:59:35.840 --> 00:59:36.360
his life.

1084
00:59:36.440 --> 00:59:39.760
So yeah, I guess he's taken. I guess he's taking

1085
00:59:39.760 --> 00:59:41.159
a little bit of time off. The only thing that

1086
00:59:41.159 --> 00:59:42.719
he's coming up, he's going to direct a couple more

1087
00:59:42.760 --> 00:59:47.039
episodes of Wednesday for Netflix. But let's talk big fish.

1088
00:59:47.079 --> 00:59:50.480
Let's wrap it up. Your thoughts, Amber. First off, what

1089
00:59:50.519 --> 00:59:51.800
did do you own this or did you did you

1090
00:59:51.840 --> 00:59:52.679
stream this somewhere?

1091
00:59:53.199 --> 00:59:55.039
Nope? I own it all right.

1092
00:59:55.119 --> 00:59:58.599
I watched it on on Prime well worth of three

1093
00:59:58.599 --> 01:00:02.800
point fifty nine to the HD version. I believe, Well

1094
01:00:02.840 --> 01:00:05.559
you own it, so this is definitely one. Well you said,

1095
01:00:05.719 --> 01:00:08.519
let's you said it's the best Tim Burton movie. Even

1096
01:00:08.559 --> 01:00:10.360
after we went through that at Philmography, you're still standing

1097
01:00:10.400 --> 01:00:12.480
by that, like this is this is Tim Burton's best movie.

1098
01:00:12.599 --> 01:00:14.840
Yeah, you have the real story and you have the

1099
01:00:14.840 --> 01:00:18.119
fairy tale? Which one do you prefer? Which one makes

1100
01:00:18.159 --> 01:00:22.960
you happier? And that's this movie? Like it's so beautiful.

1101
01:00:23.000 --> 01:00:23.559
I love it.

1102
01:00:24.320 --> 01:00:29.079
I began this hour saying I liked, liked it, didn't

1103
01:00:29.119 --> 01:00:31.599
love it. I kind of feel like I'm ready to

1104
01:00:31.639 --> 01:00:35.840
say I liked it a lot and probably will love

1105
01:00:35.840 --> 01:00:37.760
it the next time I watch it. You got me

1106
01:00:37.800 --> 01:00:41.199
that far, listeners. Amber Lewis is the voice of reason.

1107
01:00:41.360 --> 01:00:43.840
I don't know how reasonable she's being right now by

1108
01:00:43.840 --> 01:00:46.039
saying this is the best film that Tim Burton has

1109
01:00:46.079 --> 01:00:50.440
ever done. What do you think of Big Fish? You

1110
01:00:50.440 --> 01:00:52.800
can let us know on social media. You'll find us

1111
01:00:52.800 --> 01:00:55.880
on Facebook, Instagram, and X. You gotta let us know

1112
01:00:57.000 --> 01:00:58.760
if Amber's right or not, because I always look forward

1113
01:00:58.800 --> 01:01:02.480
to those the uh those messages. You can check out

1114
01:01:02.679 --> 01:01:04.679
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1115
01:01:04.719 --> 01:01:07.559
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1116
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1117
01:01:10.400 --> 01:01:12.559
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1118
01:01:12.559 --> 01:01:15.679
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1119
01:01:15.719 --> 01:01:17.880
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1120
01:01:17.880 --> 01:01:21.559
a film by swag. Join us tomorrow for our Star

1121
01:01:21.599 --> 01:01:26.760
Trek theme series, Phasers Set the Stun, Wayne, David and

1122
01:01:26.800 --> 01:01:34.159
Scott are discussing Star Trek First contact and they're beaming aboard. Yes, uh,

1123
01:01:34.199 --> 01:01:38.199
and they're beaming aboard Chuck, Brian. Chuck is a friend.

1124
01:01:38.719 --> 01:01:41.119
He's a listener. We made first contact with on the

1125
01:01:41.199 --> 01:01:44.039
Surely You Can't Be Serious podcast and he agreed to

1126
01:01:44.519 --> 01:01:47.199
being a board the film By podcast to talk track

1127
01:01:47.239 --> 01:01:48.079
and Amber.

1128
01:01:48.679 --> 01:01:50.679
The best ever.

1129
01:01:50.760 --> 01:01:54.320
I got a little sneak peek at that conversation so

1130
01:01:54.400 --> 01:01:56.480
big it's probably gonna be a two part episode and

1131
01:01:56.679 --> 01:01:59.039
uh you got yeah, you gotta come back, Come back

1132
01:01:59.079 --> 01:02:02.440
tomorrow for part one and next time on a Film By.

1133
01:02:02.559 --> 01:02:06.199
As I mentioned when we started, we'll fight for freedom

1134
01:02:06.239 --> 01:02:08.519
wherever there's trouble because g I Joe will be here

1135
01:02:08.559 --> 01:02:12.360
next week. Amber. It's always a pleasure. Thank you for

1136
01:02:12.440 --> 01:02:16.079
joining me for this film that you you love, and

1137
01:02:16.119 --> 01:02:18.199
I love that you love it. Honestly, this is one

1138
01:02:18.199 --> 01:02:21.519
where you moved the needle for me deathly. So thank you.

1139
01:02:21.960 --> 01:02:26.119
Thank you, and to everyone out there listening, following, and

1140
01:02:26.320 --> 01:02:29.679
subscribe to our Patreon like Steve and Matt, we thank you.