Tobe Hooper - Lifeforce

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So it's October. It is that
time to watch scary films, and given

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the pedigree that you guys have for
eighty cinema, I gotta no favorite eighties

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vampire movie. You know, it's
a timely question, mister Johnson, because

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that being October, we are in
the middle of our splatter Cinema month,

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actually close to the end now of
our splatter Cinema month. But we did

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just cover Fright Night, and we
were talking about its position in popular culture

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versus something such as of Court the
Lost Boys, and man, I have

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to tell you, it's tough for
me, but top like vampire movie from

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the eighties. Oh, I got
a man you put me on. This

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is a great question. I should
have thought about this, but I think

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I'm I'm gonna go with Fright Night
right now. It's shot to the top

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for me after just covering it.
So much fun, so much fun.

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Chris Sarandon has such a presence,
Roddy McDowell is so much fun and over

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the top and theatrical in it,
and some wonderful, wonderful makeup effects of

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visual effects by Richard Edlund. Yeah, a lot of fun, a lot

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of fun. So that's my choice. Yeah, I might have some recency

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bias myself, but as I said
on our show, this was one of

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the few times we went back to
watch a movie and I actually liked it

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more than I did back then.
So yeah, Fright Night for me also

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excellent. Way, Hey, Fright
Night is an excellent choice Tom Holland.

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That's probably one of Tom Holland's best
movies. I think Tom Holland is the

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director that is right. But look, you guys are here. I want

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to talk. I want to talk
vampires, and I want to talk about

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a film by Toby Hooper, his
nineteen eighty five underrated sci fi or cult

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classic Life Force. Hello everybody,
and welcome back to a film by podcast.

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I'm Jeff Johnson joining me today Bill
and Jason from the All Eighties Movies

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Podcast. Hello, Jeff, how
are you doing? What are you doing?

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Hey? Bill? It's been a
while, guys. Uh. I

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think the last time we talked we
were over on your podcast back in April

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talking blood Sport. Yeah, a
little Van dam a little blood Sport.

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It's a great episode, great time. It was so great to have you

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guys on. I might have talked
about this when we did that one.

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You know, the like the origin
story, like how did how do we

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how do we all meet? And
I remember when we did when we covered

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April fools Day a couple of years
ago. You know, you guys are

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like it was like maybe on Twitter. You guys are like, hey,

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you're doing an April fools Day.
We're doing April fools Day, And I

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was like, okay, now story
the quick story is a bit of an

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April Fool's joke on me because everyone
that was supposed to be on the episode

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was not available at the last minute, so I had to do it by

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myself, lasted maybe fifteen minutes and
did not do justice to the film.

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Meanwhile, you guys crush it,
and I'm like, how can I put

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this out when they are doing something
way better? So and after that,

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that's all it took from me.
I became a fan of the al Eidies

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Movies podcast. Jason, you you
mentioned Splatter Cinema. Tell tell listeners what's

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going on? What's what's happening with
Splatter Cinema. Well, it is that

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time of year. It is October, it is the month of Halloween,

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and it is time to cover the
horror classics and for us that means the

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horror classics from the nineteen eighties of
course. So we are in the midstore

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toward the end now of our third
season doing Splatter Cinema Month, which means

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we do one horror film from the
eighties, one a week. And we

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started off with help Me out Here, Bill. What was our first the

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slumber It was Slumber Party Massacre.
That's right, Slumber Party Massacre. And

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then after that Friday the thirteenth,
Part two, and then we moved into

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Fright Night. And should I give
away our fourth and final film, yeah,

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go for it. Upcoming well,
that would be The Fly. David

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Cronenberg's The Fly starring Jeff Goldblum and
Gina Davis, that we can't wait for.

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That's an all timer. So that
pretty much sums it up pretty straightforward.

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We just, you know, we
like to join all the ranks that

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get into the horror films this month, and we appreciate all the fans out

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there that dedicate themselves to doing their
horror movie marathons for the month of October,

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and we hope they join us and
watching these films and listening to our

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pot as well as yours. Yeah, I am a diehard fan of the

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Friday thirteenth franchise, So I absolutely
loved your coverage on Friday thirteenth two.

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I'm doing that thing where I'm driving, I'm in my car and you guys

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are You had some great theories on
how Jason came back and the relationship with

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his mother Pamela, and I'm like, but wait, did you think about

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this? And I'm like, wait, wait, they've got a good They've

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got a good thing going there too. Love the cover, Joe, love

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that, Love that episode. I'm
absolutely excited to hear what you guys have

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to say about the Fly. Obviously
big fans of nineteen eighty six. We

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did a whole series on it,
So anytime you guys do someaty six stuff,

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I can't wait to hear what you
what you got to say. So

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I'm excited to hear that one as
well. Yeah, you know with me,

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Jeff, I became a big fan
of your show because of the eighty

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sixth series. Any any other podcast
that's going to cover eighties movies, I

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want to check them out and what
you guys did with that, and then

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I became a big fan, even
though it's not in the eighties. Was

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your seventy eight series too, and
I love those episodes. I know I

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still have a backlog of a couple
I have to listen to, but the

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guys did a great job with those. Also, Yeah, you better hurry

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up. We got They're in pre
production right now on the last one more

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season of a film at forty five. They're gonna cover seventy nine. So

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and that's where it ends, because
I said, once we hit the eighties,

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we're done. We did eighty six. Leave it to the experts,

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you guys, right, So I
just want to say thanks for the kind

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words, Jeff. Seriously, the
feelings are mutual, my friend, because

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we're just as much fans of your
podcast, and we appreciate always the collaborative

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effort. We always see how much
time and effort you put into joining other

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film podcasts such as our friends over
at Docking Base seventy seven. Surely you

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can't be serious. It's always nice
to see that type of camaraderie because it

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is just a it's a nice community
and we all are just sharing and the

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fun and our fandom of great movies, and we're just honored. It's an

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honor and a privilege to be a
part of it. So thanks for inviting

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us onto your show today. Absolutely
one thing I was going to kick out

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of. On your show. We
always talk about, you know, the

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film synopsis. We always gotta let
our listeners know, like, what's this

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movie about? And you guys have
this great thing called What's on the box?

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Can we can we get I know
it's I hope it's not too much

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ass. But if you happened to
have brought a VHS copy with you,

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Jason, can we get what's on
the box for Life Force? Well,

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it's your lucky day, Jeff Johnson, because I just so happened to have

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a copy of the VHS of Life
Force. Here. Let me pull it

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out. Oh love that poster image
on the front, the giant eyeball stop

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staring down on planet Earth. Let
me flip it over and what do we

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have? Well, let me read
this. Steve Back and Peter Firth star

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and director Toby Hooper's sci fi thriller
Life Force, featuring outstanding special effects by

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Oscar winner John Dykstra. In the
static outer limits of space, a silent

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terror awaits its next victim. A
space exploration to examine Haley's comet uncovers an

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alien spacecraft whose occupants carry a deadly
secret. Three humanoid forms encased in crystal

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sarcophagy hover in the comet's tail.
These three spacelings need humans to survive.

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In a vampire like fashion, they
murder their prey, seducing the victims,

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then sucking the life out of them, leaving withered shells of human forms.

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When the astronauts return to Earth,
they unknowingly bring along their alien counterparts and

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systematically trigger a chain of terror impossible
to stop life Force. In the blink

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of an eye, the terror begins. That was a treat you, sir.

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Oh, It's truly my pleasure,
thanks for asking me to do it.

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I get such a kick out of
it. Bill, first time seeing

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Life Force, do you remember how
old you were? Yeah, I know

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exactly the first time I saw it. It was July of two thousand and

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seven. Wow. Yeah, And
I know this because yes, it was

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right before I was moving out to
California and I moved in with my girlfriend's

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soon to be wife. I wasn't
working at the time because I left.

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I left my job and she was
at work and I was at home.

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I was at her place and I
was looking through her video channels and life

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Forcesly, I was like, oh
my god, I've never seen this before.

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I got I got to check this
out, and that's when I put

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it on, and thank god she
didn't walk in on me in the middle

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of watching it. Not that I
was, you know, just like,

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what the hell are you watching kind
of thing? I mean, my my

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wife's really in the horror movies.
Yeah, don't think she's ever seen this

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one. I think for first time
ers, if you don't know what to

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expect, it's quite shocking. So
I was quite shocked at what I was

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watching, and afterwards I wasn't really
sure what I had just seen. How

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about you, Jason, Well,
gentlemen, I have never seen this film

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before. And the simple fact is
I am a scaredy cat. I've said

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a numerous times on our podcast.
When I was that young and in eighty

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five, I would have been around
twelve years old when this film was released,

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and all I can recall is pieces
of that movie trailer, which is

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great talking with great voiceover for that
trailer too, and I think I recall

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images of the withered shells that were
described in the What's on the box segment?

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Yeah, what I call like these
skin skeletons, these bodies that have

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had their life force extracted from them, literally sucked out of them, and

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they're just yeah, like these skeletons
barely covered with you know, their skin

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and their hair, and that scared
the living but Jesus out of me as

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a kid. So I was like, no, thanks, I'm going to

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pass on that one. It looks
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but no, I just I wasn't
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And uh well I have so now
thanks to you, Jeff Johnson and

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a film by and I know that
after this viewing experience, I am forever

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changed and I will never never be
the same. You know you mentioned those

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skeletons. Toby Hooper actually had a
name for him. He called he referred

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to them as the walking Withered when
they were on set, which is very

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cool, very I like the I
like the sound of that. Actually this

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isn't the Walking Dead, Yeah,
that's this Actually isn't their only film.

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Fun fact, those same creepy mummified
corpses did a follow up film with Brendan

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Fraser in nineteen ninety nine. They
were they were actually involved in the Mummy,

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which I found that out and I
was like, what kind of want

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to go back and see the Mummy? Now? Yeah? Yeah, I

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know, yeah, you want to
spot him? Right? Yeah? Absolutely.

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Well, look, Jason, you
were forever changed. Bill, you

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talked about shocking. There's that phrase. Let's let's talk about the elephant in

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the room. Life Force doesn't have
any elephants, so let's let's go ahead

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and talk about the naked girl in
the room. Matilda may as the space

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girl. It's the shock for me
wasn't so much like, hey, look

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at her. It was hey,
we're still looking at her. She's she's

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nude like pretty much the entire film. Yeah, and that was the thing.

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That's what I was worried about.
That, you know, my girlfriend's

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gonna go home and think I'm watching
porn on our television and it's not.

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I'm like, no, that's just
a character. She just likes to be

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nude and she's gorgeous. That's all
I got to say about that, though.

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I mean, she is a vision, but it gets uncomfortable. Yeah,

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eight well, eighteen years old.
She arrives from France to read for

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the part. She doesn't speak any
English, learns her lines phonetically on the

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train over there. Now she wins
the role over all the other girls because

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she's willing to appear fully nude and
has a background as a ballerina, which

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I feel kind of gives her movements
this otherworldly look. Did you guys pick

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up on that? Yeah? There
was sometimes when she was walking through the

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rooms, I was kind of was
like, Oh, was she on a

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pulley? Are they kind of like
pulling her through? She definitely has a

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grace to her the way she moves, but it's an unusual kind of grace.

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That's a good call. It does
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walking on a treadmill. She is
gliding in a very graceful fashion. It's

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as if she is focused on walking
from heel to toe and just kind of

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rolling her you know, from heel
to toe and staying very quite quite balanced.

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But definitely definitely has kind of a
very eerie, alien feel about her.

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You know, there's a there's a
great uh, there's a great audio

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commentary with Tobe Hooper on one of
the releases, and he kind of he

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kind of commented on the fact that, you know, over the one hundred

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days of filming her in the nude, he finally just got he kind of

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thought of it as her costume because
she is very care free on set,

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doesn't put a robe on in between
takes, and oftentimes she's making the cast

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and crew feel awkward because they're they're
trying to main I they're trying to maintain

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eye contact with her, And hats
off to those those guys trying to trying

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to pull that off, because she
is She is about as perfect as a

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as a person can be. I
think in this film, Yeah, she

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she is definitely a ten. And
speaking of which, just speaking on what

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you had just laid out there,
Jeff, I had this bit of trivia

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that I had pulled for MYMDB exactly
what you were talking about. She was

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very comfortable with the nudie and didn't
bother wearing a robe in between takes.

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In fact, some of the people
joked it was more awkward for them because

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they had to force themselves to keep
looking at her eyes the entire time,

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and that wasn't easy because she was
quote a gorgeous teen with an almost perfect

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figure. Then it goes on to
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there was a suspiciously high number of
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of her scenes were filmed on a
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sounds a lot like what happened to
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High set and she does her famous
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she knews what attracted men. So
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in this body, so it's almost
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what it's like to be a humanoid. Yeah, I think that's part of

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her purposeful, graceful movement. It's
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interesting how these people on this planet
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and just trying to work out the
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on what Bill was saying that yes, specifically they you know, because I'm

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trying to make head er tails of
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out all the rules of the vampire
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into some of that because I have
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it is all about that shock factor
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underneath. Well she's naked to begin
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naked, and she clearly says that
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pulled from Colonel Carlson's mind, So
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perfect woman would look like. So
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it's very shocking still just to watch
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going why the hell is she naked? Oh? Well, we finally find

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out, but it's part of there's
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my opinion. Here things gome backwards
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one of them isn't. And now
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talk about leading man Steve railsback as
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from nineteen eighty. He was known
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cool movie where he's on the run
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as you know, he's kind of
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cool movie. If you haven't seen
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I was knew him as Dwayne Berry
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X Files fans, Absolutely super creepy
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What do you think? What do
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he's one of the weakest parts of
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laughing. Jason, do you agree
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opinion? Yeah, I mean I
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says one of the weakest parts.
That's not my opinion. I just think

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he's a little bit one note.
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is a handsome guy. He has
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monotone at times for me. And
although he goes through hell basically in this

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movie, I would have appreciated maybe
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his face. He was just a
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a little bit more range in displaying
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or what have you, but it's
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control. Kind of sound self contradictory, but yeah, when he delivers that

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first line on the Church Hill when
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do you look in at? And
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we go. I wish they had
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we wouldn't flip flop. Let's talk
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he's again in nineteen eighty five.
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Stuart. He had done Out ex
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done Dune in eighty four, but
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be a known person until I think
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the Next Generation, right, So
Sean Luke, John Luke, But god,

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yeah, So let's talk about Sir
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him in this in this film.
Oh yeah, I was so excited to

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see his name in the credits,
and then you know you're watching the movie

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like, all right, when's when's
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coming on? Yes? And then
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He's only maybe in it for like
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damn it. And then but then
it's one of those how did he

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sign You know? I guess he
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his third major role. But I
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I don't think he would have done
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I know he has said, uh
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his favorite directors to work with,
So maybe he would have. You never

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know, Yeah, maybe could maybe
could? Could Patrick Stewart be a big

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Texas chaseaw Masker fan and just was
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never know, I guess, But
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what your thoughts on Stewart. Can't
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the guy. I am a Star
Trek the Next Generation fan, but I

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will forever know him now as Doctor
Armstrong from Force. But seriously, yeah,

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he's great in the film. Obviously, we know that he's a classically

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trained actor and he's got a presence
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actually liked his smaller role in this
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forward to seeing him, and it's
interesting because the man does not seem to

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age. He looks the same,
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versus the nineties and odts and even
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was one of the surprises that got
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move from a writing perspective, because
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is playing it close to the vest. And we think that our space girl

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role has transferred bodies, or we
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believe she's been you know, she's
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insane prisoner of sorts, and in
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has been transferred into doctor Armstrong,
that being Patrick Stewart, and he gets

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taken by surprise, and then it
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put yourself as an because I'm an
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Patrick Stewart's shoes and watching him as
he plays this role. And he plays

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it quite well, and he plays
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straightforward and he just speaks like a
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then once he's strapped down to the
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with the penththol or whatever what it's
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big. He has to go really
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kiss with rails Back, and then
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rails Back and all hell's breaking loose, I'm just going I truly believe all

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the performers in this movie deserve a
retroactive Oscar, Like, just give him

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all an Oscar, just for making
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these lines and having to do the
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Patrick Stewart of course, who's just
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just having to work with nothing but
their imaginations because the effects would be laid

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in later. So definitely appreciate everyone, but especially Yeah. I mean Patrick

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Stewart, household name and face.
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really likable and he commands. He
has a presence that he's immediately you have

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a respect for him right off the
bat. And he plays that type of

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like a doctor in this a person
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yeah, great stuff from him,
Jason. I've got the idea in my

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head of Bill passing out oscars everyone
like they're lined up, yeah, and

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like here comes Toby Hooper, here
you go, Here comes with Tilda,

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but here you go. Here Patrick's
do here you go, rails back opens

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his hands, not you, and
he just moves right all down the line.

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Move along, move along, sir, move along like Jim Carrey and

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Dumb and Dumber when he's handing out
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Then here you go, Here you
go, Here you go. Let's talk

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a little bit about the background of
this film. Nineteen eighty two. Toby

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Hooper, you know, he does
Poltergeist. After that he's given a three

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picture deal with the Cannon Group.
I love the Cannon Group movies. I

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grew up on them. Love them. They are they're over the top,

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they're cheesy, but man, they
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years old. So you guys,
you guys are Cannon fans or are they

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just ridiculous to you? No,
They're fun movies made for you know,

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there were an Oscar winning material.
They were just for people who enjoyed movies.

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You know, pay your five twenty
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for ninety minutes. Absolutely, those
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I mean, you can't escape them. And I was going to recommend

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later, I'll just do it right
now. The documentary Electric Boogaloo, The

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Wild Untold Story of Canon Films from
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that in the last couple of years
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There was another documentary that I think
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released simultaneously. Okay, yeah,
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Okay, so I've seen Electric Boogaloo
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recommend that. And you're saying there's
another one, The Go Go Boys.

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It's all about Canon, Okay,
I gotta check it out. About Gold

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definitely globis. Yeah, they're a
couple of characters for sure, but they

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got it done. You have to
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despite their methods or whateverinion you may
have, they got these movies made and

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they had big names, big stars, and if I'm not miss it wasn't

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over the top. One of their
movies, The Stallone Arm Wrestler, I

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feel like it's got to be.
I think I think it is. Yeah,

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I think anything that Chuck Norris or

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Charles Bronson did in the eighties was
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he's Hooper's got this three picture deal. He does Life Force in nineteen eighty

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five. He follows that up the
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Texas Chainsaw Massacre Part two. Now
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him over for a meeting. He
slides Colin Wilson's nineteen seventy six novel The

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Space Vampires across the desk, and
Goland suggests that he go relax in Pump

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Springs, read the book, and
come back so they can make the film.

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Now, Hooper sees this opportunity.
It's his chance to make his version

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of a hammer horror film because you
know, he's loving what he's seeing.

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He calls up his buddy Dan O'Bannon, who we are all familiar with,

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h you know, Dark Star,
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He writes the screenplay and then has
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Hooper and he writes Invaders from Mars
for him. I like, I just

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I don't know. I like the
idea that this guy is walking in to

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you know, the offices at Canon
and he's just giving a books. You

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know, here, go relaxing,
have a good time on us, and

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read this book and tell us what
you think. Yeah, absolutely no,

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going to say about that? I
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uh now I had a bit of
trivia regarding the book itself, because I

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love the fact that Colin Wilson wrote
the Space Vampires right, and he was

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unhappy with the way this film turned
out, and he had wrote of it.

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John Follows once told me that the
film of the Magas or magoose if

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I'm pronouncing that right, was the
worst movie ever made. But after seeing

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Life Force, I sent him a
postcard telling him that I got one better.

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Pretty wow. Yeah, I know
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with the original novel. The whole
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and I guess he takes issue with
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in the you know, in the
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great thing where comments were a problem
in horror films, right, you know,

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Maximum Overdrive Night of the comment.
If there's a comet in an eighties

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horror film, it's it's bad news. And so I like the idea that

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these these vampires, these these space
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and and kind of traveling along the
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I did like that idea instead of
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or something. Maybe. Yeah,
but yeah, it was like a Lea's

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comment was a big thing, and
everyone was excited for it to come and

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see it, because you know,
it comes every seventy five, seventy six

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years. So the fact to put
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vampires, why not? I thought
I thought that was a good idea,

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I thought. So I'll tell you
another good idea. Whoever thought it was

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a good idea to hire a couple
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So let's talk a little bit about
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obviously world renowned, was the lead
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He's known for several of the Batman
films, X Men First Class. He's

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got a couple of Spider Man films
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motion picture space Balls. That's just
naming a few. I mean this guy

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is special effects Royalty, right,
yeah, a thousand percent. I mean

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there's some huge people that worked on
this film. I mean you go down

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the list, right, we talked
about or you talked about Dan O'Bannon first

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and foremost, and then we have
John Dyster, we have Henry mancin and

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Toby Hooper. I mean, this
is just it's pretty much a murderer's row

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here. It's pretty great. Bill
and I are definitely we're Star Wars kids,

405
00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:07.839
so we know these names like the
back of our hands. So whenever

406
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I hear John Dykstra, Richard Edlund
or anyone that had to do with the

407
00:30:11.680 --> 00:30:17.799
behind the scenes visual effects and ILM. You know these young guys that came

408
00:30:17.880 --> 00:30:21.839
up with the stop motion photography,
et cetera. I mean they're just inventing

409
00:30:21.960 --> 00:30:26.079
things and changing cinema for the better. I mean our ears perk up.

410
00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:32.119
So when I saw John Dykstra,
you know, you know special effects on

411
00:30:32.160 --> 00:30:37.200
this movie, is like, well, they they got the best to work

412
00:30:37.240 --> 00:30:40.640
on this, which is fascinating because
I have you know, I was watching

413
00:30:40.680 --> 00:30:45.000
the movie and the beginning sequence opens
with the HMS Churchhill, a space shuttle

414
00:30:45.119 --> 00:30:51.559
filled with it's a joint mission of
both British and American crew members, and

415
00:30:51.599 --> 00:30:56.119
immediately I'm like, boy, these
effects don't look great. This is licking.

416
00:30:56.279 --> 00:30:59.039
This is looking a little little cheesy. I've seen the outline of the

417
00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:02.799
space shuttle against background photography and I'm
like, what's going on here? This

418
00:31:02.839 --> 00:31:07.160
is Dyster stuff. But look,
you know, I have a lot of

419
00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:10.319
critiques of this movie, and I
have a lot. I wrote a whole

420
00:31:10.359 --> 00:31:15.039
bunch of things about how I thought
this was literally a vampire batshit crazy.

421
00:31:15.519 --> 00:31:18.279
But you still got to have a
respect for the man in his filmography.

422
00:31:18.319 --> 00:31:22.680
I mean, Dyster is the man
and then moving on to Henry Mansini,

423
00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:25.279
if I will, I mean,
one of the all time great film composers.

424
00:31:25.880 --> 00:31:27.599
Now I'm listening to this theme,
and funny enough, I was very

425
00:31:27.599 --> 00:31:32.200
familiar with this theme I have,
and I've never seen this movie before.

426
00:31:32.599 --> 00:31:37.519
I'm like, oh, this is
a very triumphant, heroic theme and it's

427
00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:41.720
easy to get into. And I'm
like, wow, this is not appropriate

428
00:31:41.720 --> 00:31:45.240
for this film at all. I'm
so glad that you said that, because

429
00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:51.240
it is. It is bold,
and it's an incredible score, but it

430
00:31:51.279 --> 00:31:53.720
feels like it's more in line with
like an action film. You know,

431
00:31:55.359 --> 00:31:57.279
I don't feel like the right it
doesn't give the right ambiance for the film.

432
00:31:59.039 --> 00:32:01.000
You know, Am I wrong saying
that? Or no? I say,

433
00:32:01.079 --> 00:32:05.559
you know, what I wrote down
was that this would be absolutely fantastic

434
00:32:05.599 --> 00:32:08.799
for another film. I mean it. When I hear the music, I

435
00:32:08.880 --> 00:32:15.839
see like a band of vikings running
over this vast landscape, like a Lord

436
00:32:15.880 --> 00:32:19.720
of the Rings type of thing,
or some sort of It could even be

437
00:32:19.799 --> 00:32:23.480
a you could name any kind of
other action adventure, but this is a

438
00:32:23.480 --> 00:32:30.480
science fiction horror film. It's but
then getting into the research, you find

439
00:32:30.519 --> 00:32:35.079
out that, well, Henry Mancini
was basically sold on the first fifteen minutes

440
00:32:35.119 --> 00:32:38.720
of the movie, which is basically
the credits, and it's you're watching the

441
00:32:39.279 --> 00:32:44.440
film go over like an asteroid in
the middle of space, and the credits

442
00:32:44.480 --> 00:32:49.319
are rolling, and then you get
the vista of space and you have the

443
00:32:49.359 --> 00:32:52.960
space shuttle approaching Haley's comet and the
discovery of this alien ship and the coma

444
00:32:53.079 --> 00:32:57.480
of the nucleus of the comet,
and you're like, Okay, I understand

445
00:32:57.559 --> 00:33:00.759
the theme working for that, and
that's what he wrote for. Because that's

446
00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:05.359
then they had to go back and
they get the likes of composers like Michael

447
00:33:05.440 --> 00:33:09.759
Kahman to do cues for it to
insert into the soundtrack. But overall,

448
00:33:09.759 --> 00:33:15.359
it's like, what happened here with
the music? Why did they just tell

449
00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:20.200
him about the first fifteen minutes of
the film but not really delve into the

450
00:33:20.519 --> 00:33:23.200
genre that they were dealing with here, because I think that would have really

451
00:33:23.279 --> 00:33:28.160
changed the tone of the music.
I really, I really did what you

452
00:33:28.160 --> 00:33:30.799
said about it. It's a great
score, just for a different movie.

453
00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:34.559
Because when you think about Henry Mancini, you know, I think like Breakfast

454
00:33:34.599 --> 00:33:39.440
at Tiffany's, The Pink Panther the
Great Mouse Detective from eighty six. Obviously

455
00:33:39.480 --> 00:33:42.880
the you know, I call it
the spy Hunter theme, but you know

456
00:33:42.880 --> 00:33:46.480
from the Peter Gunn television show,
you know, yeah, it just I

457
00:33:46.519 --> 00:33:51.000
would never assume that he is the
guy that you call for like a creepy

458
00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:57.039
space horror film, you know,
with vampires and what have you. Real

459
00:33:57.079 --> 00:34:00.400
quick before we before we leave Dichstra, you kind of mentioned like you're you're

460
00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:05.799
a little underwhelmed by the Churchill and
some of these shots. So my question

461
00:34:05.880 --> 00:34:08.000
is which version of the film did
you guys watch, because I think this

462
00:34:08.079 --> 00:34:13.639
is this, this matters. Did
you watch like the theatrical version? Okay,

463
00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:15.679
you did not see the international cut
or the you know what's called the

464
00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:21.719
British cut or the director's cut?
No ooh okay. I had a similar

465
00:34:21.800 --> 00:34:25.119
argument with Jason and d from Shirley
CAN'TE Be Serious Podcasts when we were talking

466
00:34:25.119 --> 00:34:31.159
about Alien three and how the director's
cut is. You know you think you

467
00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:36.360
hate it? Now wait do you
drive it. It's it's such a better

468
00:34:36.440 --> 00:34:38.079
version of the film. It's it's
it's such a you know, anyone that

469
00:34:38.599 --> 00:34:42.880
has seen Alien three and hated it, you got to watch the director's cut

470
00:34:42.880 --> 00:34:45.840
because it's such a better movie.
And I'm gonna say the same thing about

471
00:34:46.039 --> 00:34:53.119
Life Force. If you haven't seen
the director's cut with the color corrections,

472
00:34:53.639 --> 00:34:59.840
you know, the show Factory did
a gorgeous four K restoration collector's edition type

473
00:34:59.840 --> 00:35:04.360
thing with it, and it's twenty
seven minutes longer. So there's a lot

474
00:35:04.360 --> 00:35:07.760
of story and a lot of it
is with the Churchill and that cast,

475
00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:12.480
that crew, and it just makes
it a way better film. So and

476
00:35:12.679 --> 00:35:15.440
you know, obviously the Diisher's effects
have definitely been touched up. They've been

477
00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:19.360
cleaned up, so to speak.
So I was kind of you when you

478
00:35:19.360 --> 00:35:21.599
mentioned that. I was like,
Oh, I wonder if they've I wonder

479
00:35:21.599 --> 00:35:24.079
if they've seen the version I've seen
so really quick shout out to you in

480
00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:28.800
that Alien three episode because I was
behind you the whole way. Oh thank

481
00:35:28.840 --> 00:35:32.039
you man see. And it's funny
that you say that because I think in

482
00:35:32.039 --> 00:35:38.360
a way this movie does parallel Alien
three because of just all the production next

483
00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:42.440
shoes they kind of had, and
Alien three is one of those movies.

484
00:35:42.559 --> 00:35:45.519
The more I watch it, the
more I like it, and I think

485
00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:50.320
the same thing goes for this one. Well, I assure you if you

486
00:35:51.400 --> 00:35:59.159
enjoy Matilda May's performance, you will
definitely enjoy it. In four K Say

487
00:35:59.199 --> 00:36:04.320
No More. Yeah So. Sold
at twenty five million dollars. This is

488
00:36:04.400 --> 00:36:09.199
one of the highest budgets for a
Cannon Group film, alongside notable films like

489
00:36:09.239 --> 00:36:14.559
Superman four of The Quest for Peace
and Masters of the Universe. But it's

490
00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:19.840
it's decided in post that the title
Space Vampires sounds too much like an exploitive

491
00:36:19.880 --> 00:36:22.360
B movie, and they decide to
change it to Life Force. That was

492
00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:25.880
that the right call? I think, so, yeah, go ahead.

493
00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:31.079
I don't know necessarily life Force was
the right title, But I think if

494
00:36:31.079 --> 00:36:36.840
you went with Space Vampires, you're
cutting out eighty percent of the audience already,

495
00:36:36.960 --> 00:36:42.320
so you gotta have a different title
that's gonna make it seem more generic.

496
00:36:42.599 --> 00:36:45.679
Sucker those people in the first weekend. Hopefully it's good and then you

497
00:36:45.719 --> 00:36:47.480
get the word of mouth. You're
not going to get that with Space Vampires,

498
00:36:47.840 --> 00:36:51.840
even if it's based on a book. I feel like Space Vampires is

499
00:36:51.880 --> 00:36:55.599
the movie that Peter Vincent is showing
at the end of Fright Night when he's

500
00:36:55.920 --> 00:37:01.320
when he's ready to move on from
Vampires, still stay with Vampires. Yeah,

501
00:37:01.400 --> 00:37:05.519
it's a little hokey, right,
I totally agree. Yeah, I

502
00:37:05.559 --> 00:37:08.920
would think that Space Vampires also could
say it sounds like a Roger Corman production.

503
00:37:09.440 --> 00:37:14.039
It's that exploitation type of film,
and it does lead you down a

504
00:37:14.039 --> 00:37:20.199
certain path and it might deter some
viewers. Versus Life Force has definitely more

505
00:37:20.239 --> 00:37:28.119
of a science fiction connotation to it. And this film, look, I

506
00:37:28.119 --> 00:37:30.719
I'm not gonna lie. I wrote
a whole like I am of two minds

507
00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:35.119
when it comes to this film,
and I have it on the background right

508
00:37:35.159 --> 00:37:39.599
now, and I'm even watching it
seen by scene and taking notes. And

509
00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:45.719
just like Bill As, I've let
this film digest, and I've actually taken

510
00:37:45.760 --> 00:37:51.440
the time to investigate the story and
try to break down the rules of this

511
00:37:51.519 --> 00:37:54.039
world and try to figure everything out. I have a much greater appreciation for

512
00:37:54.119 --> 00:37:58.880
it. But after first seeing it, once the film had ended, I

513
00:37:59.079 --> 00:38:02.719
was like, quoting Billy Madison,
what you've just created is one of the

514
00:38:02.760 --> 00:38:07.519
most insanely idiotic things I have ever
seen. At no point in your rambling,

515
00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:10.199
incoherent story, we're even close to
anything that could be considered a rational

516
00:38:10.199 --> 00:38:15.159
thought. Everyone in this room is
now dumber for having seen it. I

517
00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:19.039
Ward you no points and may God
have mercy on your soul. That's all

518
00:38:19.039 --> 00:38:24.960
I can think of. I thought
it was absolutely ridiculous. But getting back

519
00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:30.280
to the title life Force and thinking
about the science fiction aspect and what they

520
00:38:30.320 --> 00:38:35.599
did with this idea, this is
a movie that is full of pretty awesome

521
00:38:35.639 --> 00:38:39.119
and I mean in the true sense
of the word awesome ideas. There are

522
00:38:39.280 --> 00:38:44.920
huge ideas here, and they took
a big swing, and when you think

523
00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:50.920
about it, it's a really cool
take on vampire lore. So life Force

524
00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:54.840
is kind of a bigger title for
me. That's like the umbrella in the

525
00:38:54.840 --> 00:39:00.199
movie itself, where it's like this
all encompassing thing trying to capture all all

526
00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:04.360
of these ideas that they're trying to
present in the sci fi horror film,

527
00:39:04.599 --> 00:39:07.480
and it's just a matter of horror
execution and a lot of places in my

528
00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:14.079
humble opinion, but I do thus
think life Force is a better title.

529
00:39:14.119 --> 00:39:16.199
I know I really squeezed in some
of my other opinions there and made that

530
00:39:16.239 --> 00:39:20.679
long winded, but I hope that
made sense. It absolutely did. We're

531
00:39:20.679 --> 00:39:23.639
gonna take a quick break and when
we come back, Jason and Bill will

532
00:39:23.679 --> 00:39:31.639
discuss the pivotal scene with me.
We are back with Bill and Jason of

533
00:39:31.679 --> 00:39:36.960
the All Eighties Movies podcast. Guys, let's talk about the pivotal scene here

534
00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:40.320
in this film. And I'm not
talking about the climactic moment. I'm not

535
00:39:40.320 --> 00:39:45.400
talking about the scene we love to
see in the trailer, but a scene

536
00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:49.920
where you know, without it,
the movie is just a little bit less.

537
00:39:50.199 --> 00:39:52.599
You know, you got it?
Does it? Scene like that come

538
00:39:52.639 --> 00:39:57.960
to mind for other of you?
Absolutely? What do you got Jason?

539
00:39:58.800 --> 00:40:01.400
Oh, I've got some than for
you. Jeff Johnson I was saying,

540
00:40:01.480 --> 00:40:07.079
I was of two minds of this
film. Well, yeah, I did

541
00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:14.360
think this was a little insane,
But also I was like, wait,

542
00:40:14.519 --> 00:40:21.280
is this movie pure awesomeness? Is
this the origin story of vampire lore on

543
00:40:21.320 --> 00:40:24.039
Earth? Is this a tale of
how vampire stories of old are actually true

544
00:40:24.519 --> 00:40:30.400
and that the vampires we know of
were and actually are aliens that travel in

545
00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:34.639
the coma of Haley's comment and return
to Earth once every seventy six years.

546
00:40:35.719 --> 00:40:39.000
Well I believe so, and that
ties directly into were what I'm calling the

547
00:40:39.039 --> 00:40:44.400
footal scene. And maybe this kind
of explains why I'm of two minds when

548
00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:49.159
it comes to this movie. I
had to write down this dialogue. Bear

549
00:40:49.239 --> 00:40:52.119
with me. I'm gonna try to
read through it somewhat quickly. Go for

550
00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:57.639
it. Doctor Falada calls Kin and
Carlson as they are a board a helicopter

551
00:40:58.159 --> 00:41:02.760
with the bodies of Doctor Armstrong aka
Patrick Stewart and Sir Percy en route back

552
00:41:02.800 --> 00:41:08.480
to London, I think, regardless. Falada calls them and is talking to

553
00:41:08.519 --> 00:41:12.559
them on the choppers. It's hard
for them to hear him, but he's

554
00:41:12.599 --> 00:41:15.199
kind of yelling over the phone,
and he's got a report, and he

555
00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:20.519
says to them, this is the
dialogue. This is his speech he gives

556
00:41:21.039 --> 00:41:23.719
the two males in reference to the
two male vampires in this movie. The

557
00:41:23.719 --> 00:41:28.280
two males didn't die. They jumped
into the bodies of the two soldiers who

558
00:41:28.280 --> 00:41:31.960
shot them and transformed the soldiers' bodies
into their own likenesses. That's the difference

559
00:41:31.960 --> 00:41:36.400
between them and their victims. Their
victims can't leave their bodies. Only the

560
00:41:36.400 --> 00:41:39.679
original three can do that. But
I've killed one of them, one of

561
00:41:39.719 --> 00:41:44.320
the two male vampires, one of
the transformed ones. Carlson says, how

562
00:41:44.320 --> 00:41:46.559
did you kill them, Falada?
How in? Falada replies, the old

563
00:41:46.599 --> 00:41:51.320
way, Carlson, The old way, a leaded melt shaft, penetrating not

564
00:41:51.360 --> 00:41:53.480
through the heart, but through the
energy center two inches below the heart,

565
00:41:53.880 --> 00:41:58.800
not steel but leaded iron. Right, Carlson, are you there, Carlson?

566
00:41:59.400 --> 00:42:01.400
Carlson U two. And it is
my belief that the vampires of legend

567
00:42:01.559 --> 00:42:06.800
came from creatures such as these,
perhaps even from those very creatures. I

568
00:42:06.840 --> 00:42:12.159
know, it sounds incredible, do
you hear me? Carson? And I

569
00:42:12.320 --> 00:42:17.840
was like, well, Jesus H. Christ in a chicken basket? Doesn't

570
00:42:17.880 --> 00:42:22.239
that just sum it up? What
in the f did he just say?

571
00:42:22.639 --> 00:42:27.519
I had to replay that scene a
million times just to break it down and

572
00:42:27.599 --> 00:42:31.400
decipher it. It actually does make
sense. But his delivery is so fast,

573
00:42:31.760 --> 00:42:36.679
and it's such an exposition dump.
I'm going, what are we doing

574
00:42:36.760 --> 00:42:39.000
here, guys? And he's yelling
it over a phone to guys that can

575
00:42:39.039 --> 00:42:44.039
barely hear him. And I have
a lot of questions here because I'm going,

576
00:42:44.039 --> 00:42:47.480
wait, we did see doctor Falata
receive. By the way, the

577
00:42:47.559 --> 00:42:51.199
names of these characters, it took
me an hour to figure out who was

578
00:42:51.199 --> 00:42:53.199
who and what their names were.
Uh huh. There's a lot of characters

579
00:42:53.239 --> 00:42:57.880
in this movie, but this doc
here, he does receive this lead sword

580
00:42:58.440 --> 00:43:01.679
that was like an artifact needed from
a museum that was donated by some guy

581
00:43:01.760 --> 00:43:07.519
back in eighteen fifty six or something. You get it very cool. I'm

582
00:43:07.559 --> 00:43:09.679
like, Okay, that's cool.
That's a cool looking weapon. I get

583
00:43:09.719 --> 00:43:14.599
a lot of predator to vibes,
like predator vibes actually from this, And

584
00:43:14.679 --> 00:43:16.760
I may explain later, but maybe
somebody out there understands what I'm saying.

585
00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:20.920
So I'm like, how did first
of all, how did he know that

586
00:43:21.079 --> 00:43:23.719
he needed that artifact, that led
sword, how did he manage to get

587
00:43:23.719 --> 00:43:28.280
his hands on it? And how
the hell would he know how to kill

588
00:43:28.320 --> 00:43:34.000
this creature in its quote unquote energy
center. And then moments later in this

589
00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:38.239
scene, we get Can and Carlson
still on this helicopter and shockingly, suddenly

590
00:43:38.280 --> 00:43:44.519
a stream of this thick blood starts
spewing from the mouth of the wax statues

591
00:43:44.559 --> 00:43:47.039
of doctor Armstrong and Sir Percy,
which seemed to be taken straight from the

592
00:43:47.079 --> 00:43:53.079
Hollywood Wax Museum. And so these
this blood is spewing simultaneously from their mouths.

593
00:43:53.079 --> 00:43:59.239
It forms a blood soaked space girl
Matilda May and she says Carlson,

594
00:43:59.280 --> 00:44:05.039
and then and collapses into a goofy
mess, and Carlson somehow knows from his

595
00:44:05.079 --> 00:44:07.880
psychic bond with her that all of
a sudden, she's decided to leave.

596
00:44:08.280 --> 00:44:13.280
She's just disappeared and moved into her
body, which is located somewhere in London

597
00:44:13.719 --> 00:44:17.440
at the Space Center. And now
Cain all of a sudden decides to ask

598
00:44:17.480 --> 00:44:22.000
Carlson what happened to him on the
HMS Churchill Space Shuttle. And now it's

599
00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:25.000
time for a flashback, which doesn't
really serve the story that much, and

600
00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:30.519
I'm like, fucking brilliant, what
are we doing here? This is insane?

601
00:44:31.119 --> 00:44:34.000
And by the way, the best
part of the scene is when the

602
00:44:34.960 --> 00:44:39.760
we see this blood body forming,
these blood like globules forming from the h

603
00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:45.079
this blood that's being spit from doctor
Armstrong and Sir Percy, and it's forming

604
00:44:45.119 --> 00:44:50.440
the torso of Space Girl. And
in the midst of this, Cain and

605
00:44:50.480 --> 00:44:54.159
Carlson are freaking out. But the
helicopter pilot turns around and loses his shit,

606
00:44:54.599 --> 00:45:00.840
and it's amazing. He starts screaming, the camera starts shaping, pretending

607
00:45:00.920 --> 00:45:04.639
as if the cop the chopper is
shaking. You get closer on them,

608
00:45:04.920 --> 00:45:08.159
like screaming that it's an exterior of
a model of the helicopter shaking around back

609
00:45:08.199 --> 00:45:14.280
to them. They like, Oh, and it's just hilarious and it's wonderful

610
00:45:14.599 --> 00:45:17.039
and I can't get enough. I'm
left speechless. And that's where I'm going.

611
00:45:17.760 --> 00:45:21.760
Man, there's so many cool aspects
of the story I'm in it.

612
00:45:21.760 --> 00:45:23.920
It's like watching a train wreck.
I can't keep my eyes off of this.

613
00:45:25.119 --> 00:45:30.079
It's awful and brilliant at the same
time. What is happening? So

614
00:45:30.159 --> 00:45:35.760
that's my scene? Bill? What
do you think? Oh? Man,

615
00:45:35.840 --> 00:45:38.119
can I follow that up? I
know I can't, so I'll go I'm

616
00:45:38.159 --> 00:45:43.079
deferring to you. It's so funny
because the one thing I do love about

617
00:45:43.119 --> 00:45:46.239
this movie is doctor Flana. He
figures everything out in like seconds. I

618
00:45:46.039 --> 00:45:50.079
mean, if this guy is the
world's greatest detective, that's what he should

619
00:45:50.079 --> 00:45:52.719
be doing. He shouldn't be doing
science, should be detective. He could

620
00:45:52.719 --> 00:45:58.239
solve everything in the world. But
the one scene that I definitely found interesting

621
00:45:58.400 --> 00:46:05.760
is really bring this space girl and
the other two bodies on Earth and we

622
00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:09.079
get our first victim, who's one
of the security guards who becomes enraptured with

623
00:46:09.119 --> 00:46:15.239
her. She comes awake, sucks
the life force from him, and then

624
00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:21.360
she escapes. And then two hours
later, when they're going to do the

625
00:46:21.360 --> 00:46:27.760
autopsy of this security guard, he
comes, springs to life and sucks the

626
00:46:27.760 --> 00:46:32.039
life force out of one of the
doctors, putting himself back into his normal

627
00:46:32.360 --> 00:46:38.320
state. And now we have this
poor doctor who's become not dead but just

628
00:46:38.360 --> 00:46:42.760
this weird corpse. And Falada knows
right away, put him down the basement,

629
00:46:43.360 --> 00:46:46.320
isolate them. Let's see what happens
to him in two hours. And

630
00:46:46.519 --> 00:46:52.800
sure enough, two hours pass and
Falada and Colin Kane, who's kind of

631
00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:59.039
the investigator on this whole space Vampire, you know what is going on?

632
00:46:59.519 --> 00:47:05.039
And I guess his superior Sir Percy, and knees, you know, letting

633
00:47:05.079 --> 00:47:07.800
Sir Percy know this, this is
the situation we have. And they go

634
00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:10.639
down to this basement and we have
the two people in the cages and one

635
00:47:10.679 --> 00:47:14.840
of them's got the life force sucked
from them, and then the security guard.

636
00:47:14.880 --> 00:47:19.519
And it's two hours later. The
security guard starts freaking out because he

637
00:47:19.880 --> 00:47:24.599
needs his next feeding, and since
he can't eat, he goes back to

638
00:47:24.800 --> 00:47:30.920
his withered state and collapses and basically
turns to dust, and then the doctor

639
00:47:31.159 --> 00:47:37.039
who's had the life force sucked he
now needs a feeding and he bum rushes

640
00:47:37.519 --> 00:47:44.079
the three guys and literally just bursts
into dust at the when he hits the

641
00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:51.599
cell, and you're like, holy
shit, this is a batshit crazy chaos

642
00:47:51.679 --> 00:47:55.440
is going to happen because we have
the space vampire going around sucking the life

643
00:47:55.440 --> 00:47:59.559
out of people. What is going
to happen if this, if this outbreak

644
00:47:59.599 --> 00:48:06.559
happens. And that's it was bizarre. It was some cool, uh special

645
00:48:06.599 --> 00:48:10.519
effects, But that's when you just
realize, like, oh my god,

646
00:48:12.119 --> 00:48:15.360
they're just they're just gonna they're just
really here to use this as a giant

647
00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:20.320
supermarket and they're just gonna feed off
of all of us, just take what

648
00:48:20.360 --> 00:48:22.920
they need, and the rest of
us are just gonna be a little dustballs.

649
00:48:23.639 --> 00:48:29.280
If I've got one, it would
probably probably be the precursor to the

650
00:48:29.440 --> 00:48:34.440
mind blower that Jason dropped on us, and that'd be at the psychiatric hospital

651
00:48:34.639 --> 00:48:38.039
where they think, you know,
I'm with you guys, I'm with the

652
00:48:38.039 --> 00:48:42.440
rest of the audience. I'm with
the doctor who's got the the needle full

653
00:48:42.480 --> 00:48:46.360
of a sodium penthol The whole gotcha
went with Patrick Stewart's character where they you

654
00:48:46.360 --> 00:48:49.599
know, they grab him and jam
it into him. I was like,

655
00:48:49.599 --> 00:48:52.079
what what are you doing? What
are you doing to Armstrong? And and

656
00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:55.199
then it it hits me. I'm
like, wait, this is the Space

657
00:48:55.239 --> 00:49:01.480
Girl. And that scene where they've
got Patrick Stewart tied up and he's speaking,

658
00:49:02.199 --> 00:49:07.159
you know, under hypnosis as you
know, drugged up under hypnosis and

659
00:49:07.239 --> 00:49:10.800
he's speaking as the Space Girl.
That's some of his best acting. I

660
00:49:10.800 --> 00:49:15.840
don't care, I just I'm sorry. It's he's he's brilliant in that moment

661
00:49:15.880 --> 00:49:22.039
because the look that he's giving Rails
Back, he doesn't look like Patrick Stewart.

662
00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:25.639
It's he's Matilda May in that moment. And just the way he's his

663
00:49:25.760 --> 00:49:30.960
voice and his cadence as he's talking
and like Rail's back, it's like,

664
00:49:30.159 --> 00:49:32.920
you know, it's messing with his
mind because he sees Patrick Stewart, then

665
00:49:32.920 --> 00:49:37.440
he sees Matida May and he's he's
getting closer, he's leaning in and they

666
00:49:37.519 --> 00:49:40.119
have that embraced It's like, what
what is going on here? And you

667
00:49:40.119 --> 00:49:43.599
know we all have this what is
going on here? Vibe? You know

668
00:49:43.639 --> 00:49:45.280
in these scenes. And that's one
thing I love about this movie. Is

669
00:49:45.480 --> 00:49:49.400
it hits you at different times,
like where you're like, what just happened?

670
00:49:49.440 --> 00:49:51.800
What am I watching? I don't
know, but I want more of

671
00:49:51.840 --> 00:49:53.519
it. Bill, You're talking about
like this this whole End of Days saying

672
00:49:53.519 --> 00:49:57.000
like, you know, we're a
supermarket there just feeding office and what happens

673
00:49:57.079 --> 00:50:01.679
and this movie turns it. We
go from like space to vampires to zombies

674
00:50:02.000 --> 00:50:07.840
to apocalyptic end of Days, like
where everything's on fire, everyone's getting attacked,

675
00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:10.559
everyone's running through the streets. It's
crazy, but it works. Jeff,

676
00:50:10.639 --> 00:50:17.280
I absolutely love your fandom. I
love that you love this movie because

677
00:50:17.519 --> 00:50:22.000
it's infectious. Because the more I
think about it, I cannot disagree with

678
00:50:22.039 --> 00:50:25.480
you. I love the turn in
the third act when this becomes a zombie

679
00:50:25.519 --> 00:50:30.679
apocalypse World War Z type of movie. I'm like, is this really happening?

680
00:50:31.039 --> 00:50:35.840
Look at the size of this production. This is massive, the number

681
00:50:35.840 --> 00:50:38.800
of extras, the amount of makeup
effects, the fact that we have Carlson,

682
00:50:38.840 --> 00:50:43.760
We've got you know, Steve Rail's
back driving his jeep or whatever vehicle

683
00:50:44.119 --> 00:50:49.480
through these streets and the zombie attacks
him in car and there's he's you know,

684
00:50:49.599 --> 00:50:53.400
has an are a dismembered arm that
he's holding Oh yeah, my fingers

685
00:50:53.440 --> 00:50:57.119
are still moving in his face and
he just tosses it in the back like

686
00:50:57.159 --> 00:51:01.440
ah, no, no worries,
no big deal that It's like that.

687
00:51:01.440 --> 00:51:05.320
That's Dan O'Bannon right there. That
felt so much like a return of Living

688
00:51:05.360 --> 00:51:08.199
Dead moment when that happens, and
I'm here for it, man, I

689
00:51:08.239 --> 00:51:13.880
love it. You have to appreciate
the blending of genres, like I mentioned,

690
00:51:14.079 --> 00:51:15.480
because you see a little bit of
alien in this. I saw a

691
00:51:15.519 --> 00:51:20.440
little bit of Predator in this,
with the lore of like this alien species

692
00:51:20.480 --> 00:51:23.320
coming back to the planet. You
know, over there's a pattern it waits

693
00:51:23.320 --> 00:51:27.679
a certain amount of years in Predator
that comes back in the hot seasons,

694
00:51:27.760 --> 00:51:30.960
right and here it's every seventy six
years. Maybe with Haley's comment or you

695
00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:35.559
know, I'm not positive, but
so you get sci fi, you get

696
00:51:35.800 --> 00:51:39.920
zombie stuff. But there's clearly a
lot of thought put into this, and

697
00:51:40.840 --> 00:51:47.599
it's overwhelming as the problem and so
and it's confusing. It's all now at

698
00:51:47.679 --> 00:51:52.960
times because you're just like, wait
a minute, who's the space girl now?

699
00:51:52.000 --> 00:51:55.880
And where are the other two vampires? And how is the energy being

700
00:51:55.960 --> 00:52:00.239
transferred and weight? They can shape
shift or not shape shifting, they're just

701
00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:05.199
body snatching. Oh, but then
it's they can be zombies, but there

702
00:52:05.239 --> 00:52:07.760
are only zombies for two hours,
and if they don't feed on somebody after

703
00:52:07.880 --> 00:52:13.119
the two hour period, then they
may explode into dust, as Bill laid

704
00:52:13.119 --> 00:52:16.679
out for us, which is great
watching them explode into dust. And then

705
00:52:17.280 --> 00:52:21.679
London is just a fire, is
a blaze at the end, and it's

706
00:52:21.800 --> 00:52:27.880
complete chaos and you just have to
watch it in all of its splendor and

707
00:52:28.840 --> 00:52:32.679
hope everything turns out for the best. And somehow Cain gets a sword to

708
00:52:32.800 --> 00:52:37.000
Carlson so he can impale himself and
the space Girl at the same time.

709
00:52:37.400 --> 00:52:45.079
It's like, whoa wow, all
right, taking one for the team,

710
00:52:45.159 --> 00:52:50.440
you know, the the double impalement. You know, I'd be remiss if

711
00:52:50.440 --> 00:52:52.239
I didn't, if I didn't try
to convince you guys to give us one

712
00:52:52.280 --> 00:52:59.119
more fun aspect from your show.
So we've talked about the pivotal scenes,

713
00:52:59.119 --> 00:53:00.920
We've talked about some lot of stuff
that we really like. But one thing

714
00:53:00.960 --> 00:53:05.239
you guys do that I always love
too is is is the Swiss cheese?

715
00:53:05.519 --> 00:53:07.079
Bill you want to you wanna tee
this up for us? Yeah, So

716
00:53:07.760 --> 00:53:12.800
we have a segment a Swiss cheese
and complaint department and Jason, why do

717
00:53:12.920 --> 00:53:16.079
we call swiss cheese? Because although
this movie is delicious, it does have

718
00:53:16.159 --> 00:53:20.000
holes. Yes, if it doesn't
have holes, we just file complaint with

719
00:53:20.000 --> 00:53:22.880
the complaints department. So basically just
a segment we talk about plot holes in

720
00:53:22.920 --> 00:53:24.880
the movie or just overall complaints we
have with the film. All right,

721
00:53:24.960 --> 00:53:30.000
so I would love to hear your
al's rendition of the Swiss cheese for life

722
00:53:30.000 --> 00:53:32.679
force? What do you got for
us? I don't know if it's a

723
00:53:32.719 --> 00:53:39.480
plot hole or even a complaint,
but it's more of the motivation of like,

724
00:53:39.559 --> 00:53:45.039
did these Okay, so we think
the space vampires are purposely coming to

725
00:53:45.320 --> 00:53:50.880
Earth to basically steal everybody's life force. Yeah, but there's a scene where

726
00:53:51.239 --> 00:53:55.239
our space vampire escapes from the I
don't even know what building it is that

727
00:53:55.320 --> 00:54:00.920
she's being held in it then takes
off for a different part of the But

728
00:54:00.960 --> 00:54:04.079
it's never why why did she do
that? That doesn't make any sense?

729
00:54:04.119 --> 00:54:07.480
What was she trying to get?
Granted, you know it has us bring

730
00:54:07.519 --> 00:54:12.000
Patrick Stewart into the movie, but
what was the whole purpose of that?

731
00:54:12.639 --> 00:54:16.199
What is what is the allure of
a. I think it's a Yorkshire where

732
00:54:16.199 --> 00:54:22.000
she heads right, which I know
is famous, Like that's they use that

733
00:54:22.079 --> 00:54:23.920
area or they did use that area
for a lot of vampire films back in

734
00:54:23.920 --> 00:54:27.920
the sixties and seventies. But so
I don't know if that's just a clever

735
00:54:28.079 --> 00:54:32.360
nod to the history or if it's
because I asked the same thing, like

736
00:54:32.400 --> 00:54:36.079
what why, what? What's the
need? Why does she have to go

737
00:54:36.119 --> 00:54:40.639
there? Because we're heading right back
to the city after the the awesome helicopter

738
00:54:40.679 --> 00:54:44.920
moment. So that's that's a good
call. Yeah, if there was something

739
00:54:45.039 --> 00:54:47.239
that when they were here seventy five, seventy six years ago, that they

740
00:54:47.320 --> 00:54:51.639
left there that she needed to get, that would make sense. But she

741
00:54:51.760 --> 00:54:53.679
just kind of goes out there just
to go out there, yeah, and

742
00:54:53.800 --> 00:54:58.719
make haggy panky with some random dude
in the car. I don't know,

743
00:54:58.800 --> 00:55:02.199
a healthy male. She's finding a
healthy male who's some old dude with the

744
00:55:02.199 --> 00:55:07.000
broken dot cart side of the road
who gets to uh, hey, you

745
00:55:07.039 --> 00:55:08.960
know, at least he gets to
cop a feel, you know, with

746
00:55:09.000 --> 00:55:14.360
this beautiful redheaded woman in the middle
of the countryside. Uh. It's pretty

747
00:55:14.440 --> 00:55:17.119
random, pretty fun though, mm
hmm. Good for him, that's definitely

748
00:55:17.159 --> 00:55:21.280
not the moment where you want to
run in the bathroom and take take a

749
00:55:21.360 --> 00:55:23.000
quick pee, because you come back
and all of a sudden, like who's

750
00:55:23.000 --> 00:55:28.000
the redhead? And what's going on
here? Like did someone change the channel?

751
00:55:28.039 --> 00:55:30.679
Because that's the first time I saw
that, That's how I felt.

752
00:55:30.719 --> 00:55:31.320
I was like, wait, wait, what happened? Where are we?

753
00:55:31.760 --> 00:55:36.920
Where's Matelda May? Yeah? You
know, here's the thing for me overall,

754
00:55:37.320 --> 00:55:40.480
it's not a hole because, honestly, gentlemen, I would love to

755
00:55:40.519 --> 00:55:44.599
sit down with you, Jeff,
you're a fan of this. I would

756
00:55:44.639 --> 00:55:47.079
love to sit down with you and
Brad and whomever else feels like doing so

757
00:55:47.639 --> 00:55:52.960
and really break this down story wise
and what the rules are of this world

758
00:55:53.440 --> 00:56:00.079
because I adore lower, I adore
will world building and mythology, and I

759
00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:02.679
is writing this all out trying to
figure out and it does somewhat make sense,

760
00:56:02.719 --> 00:56:07.440
but it's just so much because when
we understand, we have this space

761
00:56:07.519 --> 00:56:13.480
girl who was found, you know, aboard this ship that was based on

762
00:56:13.519 --> 00:56:19.519
an artichoke. I find these crusty
bats on the ship, these old what

763
00:56:19.599 --> 00:56:22.800
are supposed to be giant space vampire
bats, but they're all dead, and

764
00:56:22.880 --> 00:56:28.039
the life force is transferred into humanoids
to at least be the version of humans,

765
00:56:28.079 --> 00:56:30.039
and then they can that we can
relate to. And then they come

766
00:56:30.079 --> 00:56:34.559
down to Earth and we have this
beautiful woman walking around extracting life forces from

767
00:56:34.599 --> 00:56:37.440
people, and then they turn into
zombies and then they suck the life force,

768
00:56:37.480 --> 00:56:40.480
which is really smart because it's like, Okay, they're spreading like a

769
00:56:40.559 --> 00:56:45.440
virus. It keeps spreading, and
that's really smart. But when she does

770
00:56:45.639 --> 00:56:53.079
transfer her personal life, like her
essence, into this redhead in the middle

771
00:56:53.079 --> 00:56:58.239
of the countryside, you're like,
up, now we've got another power added

772
00:56:58.280 --> 00:57:04.000
on to it. And all the
while we're following Carlson, who under hypnosis

773
00:57:04.039 --> 00:57:07.519
we discover has a psychic bond with
a space girl. We're like, okay,

774
00:57:07.519 --> 00:57:13.840
there's a whole nother supernatural science fiction
element to this. So he's connected

775
00:57:13.840 --> 00:57:16.559
to her so he can trace her
and track her and know her every move.

776
00:57:17.119 --> 00:57:22.199
Then when they bring in the two
male vampires that we thought were dead

777
00:57:22.360 --> 00:57:30.480
but have taken the bodies of the
soldiers but look like themselves because they changed

778
00:57:30.519 --> 00:57:34.960
those bodies to make them look like
themselves, and you're like, so you

779
00:57:35.000 --> 00:57:39.920
see where it goes ugh, it's
for me. My complaint, my Swiss

780
00:57:40.000 --> 00:57:45.480
cheese complaint is just it's way too
much. And then when you get Filada

781
00:57:45.719 --> 00:57:52.559
just receiving a sword out of nowhere, going, oh, let's focus on

782
00:57:52.639 --> 00:57:55.760
that. That's cool. Now you're
adding like this medieval element into it,

783
00:57:57.119 --> 00:58:04.880
like real old traditional, like Vlad
the you know, Impaler type of lore

784
00:58:05.039 --> 00:58:07.880
into this, and I'm like,
that's cool, but we just don't we

785
00:58:07.920 --> 00:58:12.800
don't get enough time with some of
these cool elements to really digest them.

786
00:58:12.800 --> 00:58:15.320
And it moves too quickly because the
version we watched is an hour and forty

787
00:58:15.360 --> 00:58:19.440
six minutes or so, and you're
like, yeah, man, they packed

788
00:58:19.719 --> 00:58:22.719
so much into it, so yeah, it just it breaks your your brain.

789
00:58:22.960 --> 00:58:25.599
Yeah. There was another issue I
had was just just the crew of

790
00:58:25.639 --> 00:58:30.719
the Church Hill itself, because technically
it's a shuttle and if you've ever seen

791
00:58:30.760 --> 00:58:35.039
one of the space shuttles, they're
really not that big and they have this

792
00:58:35.159 --> 00:58:38.079
big crew in it, and I'm
just thinking to myself, how how long

793
00:58:38.119 --> 00:58:40.639
is this mission supposed to be?
And they're flying out to a comment that

794
00:58:42.280 --> 00:58:44.840
how do you just do the normal
day to day? Where are they all

795
00:58:44.880 --> 00:58:47.039
sleeping? How are they eating?
There's no room in that that thing,

796
00:58:47.199 --> 00:58:51.000
because I was hoping it would be
a different kind of ship. I'm like,

797
00:58:51.039 --> 00:58:53.920
it's a shuttles are tiny, they're
like four or five people. They

798
00:58:54.000 --> 00:58:58.639
must have like twenty on this thing. Yeah, they needed for for what

799
00:58:58.679 --> 00:59:01.239
they're doing. They need like a
this dromo. They need something that you

800
00:59:01.239 --> 00:59:06.519
can you can move around in.
Right. They need an event horizon because

801
00:59:06.519 --> 00:59:09.039
it's set in present day. You
know whether whether they could have been on

802
00:59:09.039 --> 00:59:13.159
like a space station. Yeah,
because I was really trying to get scale

803
00:59:13.199 --> 00:59:15.760
because they say when they come upon
this ship, it's one hundred and fifty

804
00:59:15.760 --> 00:59:17.760
miles long. So I'm like,
all right, so this this shuttle's got

805
00:59:17.760 --> 00:59:21.679
to be like a dot yep compared
to it. But then some of the

806
00:59:21.679 --> 00:59:23.880
shots, I'm like, wait,
the shuttle looks like it's maybe three miles

807
00:59:24.079 --> 00:59:29.199
long, Like, no, that
doesn't that doesn't work. The sci fi

808
00:59:29.360 --> 00:59:34.119
in that was a little wonky for
me if I had If I had one,

809
00:59:34.639 --> 00:59:37.719
I would probably say, to Jason's
point, the world building with some

810
00:59:37.800 --> 00:59:42.639
of like the medieval like the Sword
is an awesome aspect of this movie.

811
00:59:42.760 --> 00:59:45.400
I feel like it came, it
comes out of nowhere, and and you

812
00:59:45.440 --> 00:59:47.440
guys seen the theatrical cut. I've
seen both, and I've seen that.

813
00:59:47.480 --> 00:59:51.119
You know, I prefer the director's
cut, where it's it's nearly two hours,

814
00:59:51.119 --> 00:59:53.039
it's like twenty seven extra minutes.
And I'm here to tell you,

815
00:59:53.199 --> 00:59:57.360
like, you're gonna get a lot
more with the Churchill, You're gonna get

816
00:59:57.360 --> 01:00:00.119
a lot more with you know,
the doctors and stuff, but you're not

817
01:00:00.199 --> 01:00:05.119
going to get the background on the
iron and why it's important, why it's

818
01:00:05.159 --> 01:00:07.559
relevant, and how we figured that
out. So an easy fix for me

819
01:00:07.760 --> 01:00:10.639
would have been we talked about why
does she need to get out to the

820
01:00:10.800 --> 01:00:15.920
ps Psychiatric Hospital in Yorkshire? Well, that could have been the thing right

821
01:00:15.960 --> 01:00:19.719
there, Bill is you know you
guys said it like maybe they need to

822
01:00:19.719 --> 01:00:22.519
pick something up, or maybe maybe
they need to make sure nothing can hurt

823
01:00:22.519 --> 01:00:27.239
them. And Patrick Stewart could have
been like this curator of a museum instead

824
01:00:27.239 --> 01:00:30.760
of a hospital. He could have
been something where he gives you a little

825
01:00:30.800 --> 01:00:36.679
that expossession instead of a random guy
just screaming at it on a on a

826
01:00:36.719 --> 01:00:39.519
walkie talkie in the helicopter. That
would have been what I would have preferred

827
01:00:39.559 --> 01:00:44.119
for it. I still love it, but I think it would have helped

828
01:00:44.159 --> 01:00:47.840
it. I like that one.
Yeah, yeah, Toby Hooper. You

829
01:00:47.880 --> 01:00:52.599
know, sadly we lost him in
twenty seventeen. So, you know,

830
01:00:52.760 --> 01:00:54.199
we usually like to talk about like
what do you want to see this,

831
01:00:54.199 --> 01:00:58.840
this, this person do next?
We can't do that. I'd like to

832
01:00:58.840 --> 01:01:01.800
touch base on a couple of his
movies and just get a quick reaction from

833
01:01:01.840 --> 01:01:07.360
you guys, you know, thumbs
down or fangs out. Okay, obviously,

834
01:01:07.440 --> 01:01:10.280
let's start with nineteen seventy four Texas
Chains. I'm masker. Oh fucking

835
01:01:10.320 --> 01:01:15.800
love that movie. Definitely fangs out
right, Yeah, yeah, all right.

836
01:01:15.639 --> 01:01:20.760
How about Salem's Lot. I haven't
seen it. I haven't seen the

837
01:01:20.760 --> 01:01:22.599
whole thing. I've only seen I've
seen the whole thing. I've heard great

838
01:01:22.599 --> 01:01:27.559
things, though it's I've only heard
good things about it whenever I come across

839
01:01:27.599 --> 01:01:31.159
it and research, I implore you
the original. Rob Low did a remake

840
01:01:31.199 --> 01:01:35.480
and put the original from nineteen seventy
nine. That is where it's at.

841
01:01:36.840 --> 01:01:40.119
How about nineteen eighty one, he
does the fun House. I've seen the

842
01:01:40.159 --> 01:01:45.199
fun House. The book is way
better. Interesting, Okay, Jason,

843
01:01:45.079 --> 01:01:49.159
I've got nothing, nothing on nothing. Yeah, there's a lot of these

844
01:01:49.199 --> 01:01:51.639
I haven't seen. I'll just say
that right now. Yeah, okay,

845
01:01:52.280 --> 01:01:54.760
I'm gonna go ahead and I'm gonna
throw up my you know, I'm gonna

846
01:01:54.760 --> 01:01:59.480
I'm gonna fanboy here for just a
second. It's nineteen eighty one when he

847
01:01:59.480 --> 01:02:01.800
does The Funhouse. Else So I
would love to hear what you guys say

848
01:02:02.719 --> 01:02:07.599
on the all of these movies podcasts
about the Funhouse. Anytime I can hear

849
01:02:07.719 --> 01:02:12.039
more Toby Hooper, I want to, And no one has talked about the

850
01:02:12.039 --> 01:02:15.639
Funhouse. So you know that's that's
throwing it out there, you know,

851
01:02:15.760 --> 01:02:20.239
Oh yeah, it's going on the
list. Then that's a good deal.

852
01:02:20.320 --> 01:02:25.119
Good deal. Poltergeist obviously fangs out. Oh yes, all right, yeah,

853
01:02:25.159 --> 01:02:29.119
we covered that one on our pod
as well. And man, that

854
01:02:29.199 --> 01:02:34.159
movie still holds up. It definitely
holds up. Really, it's one of

855
01:02:34.159 --> 01:02:37.920
the all time class. That's a
paranormal thriller that stays with me to this

856
01:02:37.000 --> 01:02:42.679
day. It scarred me for life, especially damn it, little Robbie in

857
01:02:42.719 --> 01:02:46.760
that freaking clown. I I had
the clown. I get where the clown

858
01:02:46.800 --> 01:02:52.000
scares a lot of people. The
tree. I had a similar incident with

859
01:02:52.039 --> 01:02:55.159
the tree, not that one that
tried to kill me, but I had

860
01:02:55.239 --> 01:03:00.400
that tree outside my bedroom window and
it tears terrified me, and it terrified

861
01:03:00.400 --> 01:03:04.079
me more after I saw Bolter Guist. So yeah, I forget about it

862
01:03:04.800 --> 01:03:07.239
real quick. You know, I
got to mention this. Uh. In

863
01:03:07.320 --> 01:03:10.480
nineteen eighty three, he does a
music video for Billy Idol. He does

864
01:03:10.519 --> 01:03:16.079
the Dancing with Myself video. I
only bring it up because Bill's pumping the

865
01:03:16.079 --> 01:03:20.440
fist. He's any he looks like
an Idle fan. Oh yeah, I

866
01:03:20.480 --> 01:03:24.000
love Billy Idol, quick do it? Yeah? Yeah, a snarl.

867
01:03:24.320 --> 01:03:30.400
Interestingly enough, he asks Billy Idol
to play one of the nude male vampires,

868
01:03:31.000 --> 01:03:35.599
and Idle can't do it because he's
on tour. But do one of

869
01:03:35.639 --> 01:03:39.119
you want to tell the listeners who
he got? Instead play the vampires,

870
01:03:39.519 --> 01:03:43.119
one of the one of the male
vampires, like he the one that Billy

871
01:03:43.159 --> 01:03:46.440
Idol was supposed to play. He
gets someone else with a bit of a

872
01:03:46.519 --> 01:03:50.719
suit. I didn't. Oh you
guys all know this. No, well

873
01:03:51.000 --> 01:03:57.039
you probably wouldn't recognize Chris Jagger,
but uh he happens to be Mick Jagger's

874
01:03:57.159 --> 01:04:03.079
brother. Woww Yeah totally missed that. Yeah me too, Yeah right there?

875
01:04:03.119 --> 01:04:06.519
Well, you know, like and
I would have missed it again on

876
01:04:08.039 --> 01:04:12.559
Toby Hooper's commentary audio commentary on the
on the Blu Ray, he's talking,

877
01:04:12.599 --> 01:04:14.440
you know, they're like, oh, these guys are really good looking guys.

878
01:04:14.440 --> 01:04:15.880
He's like, oh, yeah,
this is Chris Jaggers. It's Mick

879
01:04:15.960 --> 01:04:18.679
Jaggers's brother. And they're like what
and he's like, well, yeah,

880
01:04:18.679 --> 01:04:21.119
I want a Billy Idol. But
you know, Billy Idol couldn't to you

881
01:04:21.119 --> 01:04:23.519
know, he was on tour and
he couldn't do it. And I was

882
01:04:23.559 --> 01:04:25.960
like, we've been talking about Life
Force. I want to I want to

883
01:04:25.960 --> 01:04:29.079
skip over that one. And you
know, as we wrap up here,

884
01:04:29.719 --> 01:04:31.840
let's jump to eighty six when he
does he does the double shot. He

885
01:04:31.840 --> 01:04:36.159
does he does Invaders from Mars and
the Texas Chainsaw Massacre Part two. I

886
01:04:36.199 --> 01:04:42.599
don't even remember Invaders from Mars I
saw one time back then. I can't

887
01:04:42.639 --> 01:04:46.679
recall anything about it. Chexa Chainsaw
Massacre too. I think it's underrated.

888
01:04:47.079 --> 01:04:50.599
I do enjoy it, how about
it? Jason, Yeah, I've got

889
01:04:50.679 --> 01:04:54.400
nothing either. You know, again, like I'm just going to defer to

890
01:04:54.480 --> 01:04:58.239
you, gentlemen on some of these, like the horror genre is where it

891
01:04:58.360 --> 01:05:01.239
is a weak spot. For me, blind Spot for me. So yeah,

892
01:05:01.320 --> 01:05:04.320
I don't have a lot. I'm
sure I've seen bits and pieces here

893
01:05:04.320 --> 01:05:08.239
and there, but I couldn't tell
you what are your feelings. I'm gonna

894
01:05:08.239 --> 01:05:12.599
tell you right now. Invaders from
We covered both of them. Invaders from

895
01:05:12.639 --> 01:05:17.760
Mars is that fun monster movie.
Like you could watch this when you're ten

896
01:05:17.840 --> 01:05:23.599
years old and be scared, but
also it's not too scary, you know,

897
01:05:23.880 --> 01:05:26.679
because you're your main protagonist is a
little kid. He's like a ten

898
01:05:26.760 --> 01:05:29.320
year old kid, you know.
He's running around through the movie with Karen

899
01:05:29.360 --> 01:05:32.119
Black and you know, James karen
Is, you know, from Return Living

900
01:05:32.159 --> 01:05:34.719
Dead is trying to like, you
know, he's the military guy and they're

901
01:05:34.719 --> 01:05:40.119
trying to stop these these creepy you
know, aliens from taking over the world.

902
01:05:40.119 --> 01:05:43.639
It's it's cool. I would I'd
recommend that one. It's Invaders from

903
01:05:43.639 --> 01:05:45.880
Mars is on I want to say, it's on two B right now.

904
01:05:45.960 --> 01:05:48.719
If not to B, it's on
Pluto. But that's a fun watch,

905
01:05:49.000 --> 01:05:53.679
you know, Like if I had
kids that were like eight, nine years

906
01:05:53.679 --> 01:05:56.039
old, I'd be like, let's
watch a monster movie, and I'd be

907
01:05:56.079 --> 01:05:59.000
okay with putt them on because it's
not you know, violence, you know,

908
01:05:59.119 --> 01:06:01.159
gore, nudity that it doesn't happen
in the in that in that movie.

909
01:06:01.199 --> 01:06:04.559
So it's a fun one though.
And to Bill's point, Texas Chancel

910
01:06:04.639 --> 01:06:11.079
Maasker two, it's a classic.
It's a it's a complete twist on what

911
01:06:11.079 --> 01:06:13.360
they did, what he does in
the first one, you know, because

912
01:06:13.679 --> 01:06:16.960
first one feels like a documentary.
It's it's terrifying and it's grotesque. But

913
01:06:17.000 --> 01:06:23.960
the second one is very comedic and
it's just fun. You're like you're rooting

914
01:06:23.960 --> 01:06:26.840
for leather Face the whole time.
It's crazy. Uh, he did,

915
01:06:26.920 --> 01:06:30.039
uh, you know, he directed
some some amazing stories. He did Freddy's

916
01:06:30.079 --> 01:06:33.440
Nightmares, he did the Twilight Zone, Tales from the Crypt, body Bags,

917
01:06:33.599 --> 01:06:39.920
JOHNK. Corpner's body Bags. So
this is a guy who lived in

918
01:06:39.920 --> 01:06:43.719
that that horror genre, that monster
movie genre. And uh, that's one

919
01:06:43.719 --> 01:06:45.360
thing I've always liked about his his
work. If I put you on the

920
01:06:45.360 --> 01:06:50.400
spot and I asked you, what
is your favorite Toobey Hooper film? Uh,

921
01:06:50.480 --> 01:06:53.400
what are you looking at? Are
you looking at Poltergeist? Are you

922
01:06:53.440 --> 01:06:57.920
looking at Texas Chansaw. I might
have to go to Texas Chansaw. I

923
01:06:58.000 --> 01:07:01.239
recently read a book from Gunner Hands
who played leather Face on that, and

924
01:07:01.440 --> 01:07:04.199
just the making of that. But
what they had to go through to get

925
01:07:04.199 --> 01:07:09.920
that movie made just makes me appreciate
it that much more. I love low

926
01:07:09.960 --> 01:07:14.800
budget horror films and I love the
behind the scenes stories to get them made,

927
01:07:15.000 --> 01:07:18.880
like that Evil Dead, That's stuff
such just amazing. Like you're on

928
01:07:18.960 --> 01:07:23.480
set and you got to do like
fifteen different jobs, you have no money,

929
01:07:24.360 --> 01:07:27.000
just the things you're pulling out of
your butt to make it happen.

930
01:07:27.800 --> 01:07:30.239
Text changeaw Masker is a perfect example
of that, and just just the way

931
01:07:30.239 --> 01:07:36.039
it just resonated with audiences is awesome. Man Gunnar Hansen was one of the

932
01:07:36.239 --> 01:07:43.599
most gentle kindest guys I have ever
met and had the privilege of just talking

933
01:07:43.639 --> 01:07:46.960
to. And I just he happened
to be in a Hollywood video that I

934
01:07:47.000 --> 01:07:53.840
walked into and I panicked and could
not believe the moment I had with him.

935
01:07:54.119 --> 01:07:58.159
He was just it's big sweetheart,
honestly. That's cool. Jason,

936
01:07:58.320 --> 01:08:01.400
Yeah, Jason. A favorite Hooper
film for me, it's got to be

937
01:08:01.400 --> 01:08:06.719
Poltergeist. I have immense respect for
Texas Chainsaw Massacre, and I know if

938
01:08:06.760 --> 01:08:14.400
you you know I've heard many a
podcast with horror film aficionados and speaking of

939
01:08:14.400 --> 01:08:17.600
the genre, and inevitably that film
comes up. It's, you know,

940
01:08:18.319 --> 01:08:21.600
it's one of the first of its
kind. It's just was groundbreaking in its

941
01:08:21.640 --> 01:08:26.359
own way, and I felt Poltergeist
was as well. For me, I

942
01:08:26.399 --> 01:08:29.279
have a lot of nostalgic attachment to
it. It was one of those first

943
01:08:29.319 --> 01:08:32.880
films that really scared the hell out
of me and made me really think about

944
01:08:33.000 --> 01:08:40.560
some dark things and some very strange
paranormal, other worldly spiritual things. And

945
01:08:40.680 --> 01:08:45.720
I you know, I know that
Toby Huber where it's talked about Offen his

946
01:08:45.840 --> 01:08:50.760
collaboration wheel with Spielberg on that particular
film and who had what input on which

947
01:08:50.840 --> 01:08:57.199
things, But he directed the movie
and it's in the Hall of fame when

948
01:08:57.199 --> 01:09:02.359
it comes to the paranormal thrit just
Joe Beth Williams is great and Craig T.

949
01:09:02.520 --> 01:09:05.479
Nelson, I mean, it's your
son of a bitch, You moved

950
01:09:05.520 --> 01:09:08.920
the cemetery, but you left the
bodies, didn't you. Your son of

951
01:09:08.960 --> 01:09:12.880
a bitch, you left the bodies. You only move the headstones. Why

952
01:09:13.239 --> 01:09:17.359
why Craig T dials it up to
eleven in that moment I love it.

953
01:09:17.760 --> 01:09:23.079
Yeah, it has such a crazy, weird, dark legacy too. You

954
01:09:23.119 --> 01:09:28.680
know, in real life it's just
ah that movie, it's just something about

955
01:09:28.720 --> 01:09:34.239
it. Well back to nineteen eighty
five's Life Force Bill, do you recommend

956
01:09:34.239 --> 01:09:41.039
this film? Man? This is
a hard one to recommend because it is

957
01:09:41.119 --> 01:09:45.319
so over the top. It is
so over crazy. It's one of those

958
01:09:45.399 --> 01:09:49.640
you almost have to watch it twice
and hopefully you can get through the first

959
01:09:49.680 --> 01:09:53.680
time. But if you're a guy, you got Matilda May there, so

960
01:09:53.720 --> 01:09:56.600
she'll get you through the first half
of the movie, so you'll be fine

961
01:09:56.640 --> 01:10:00.399
there. But it does need multiple
viewing in order for you to understand and

962
01:10:00.439 --> 01:10:03.560
appreciate it. If you're just gonna
sit down and watch it one time and

963
01:10:03.560 --> 01:10:06.800
you told me the movie sucked,
I wouldn't blame you. But if you

964
01:10:06.840 --> 01:10:10.960
watched it a couple of times it
said, this movie's really cool. I

965
01:10:11.000 --> 01:10:15.159
totally understand where you're coming from.
So it's a recommendation, but there is

966
01:10:15.199 --> 01:10:17.199
some caveats with it that go with
it. That's fair. How about ad

967
01:10:17.279 --> 01:10:21.399
Jason? Yeah, I recommend seeing
it one thousand percent. It's insane,

968
01:10:23.000 --> 01:10:26.760
just purely because it's insane. You
have to just say it so you can

969
01:10:27.319 --> 01:10:30.239
see it, just so you can
say you saw it and be like,

970
01:10:30.359 --> 01:10:33.720
yeah, I've seen Life Force.
I know what that movie's about because I've

971
01:10:33.720 --> 01:10:38.560
heard about it for so long now, and I'm glad I had a really

972
01:10:38.560 --> 01:10:42.439
good reason to watch it. I
should have watched it on my own years

973
01:10:42.439 --> 01:10:45.039
ago, but this was great to
be able to talk about it on this

974
01:10:45.159 --> 01:10:51.159
podcast with you, Jeff and Bill. And it's truly incredible and confounding and

975
01:10:51.199 --> 01:10:57.640
stupendously ridiculous, and it's terrific for
discussion. If you're a fan of film,

976
01:10:57.680 --> 01:11:01.359
and you're a fan of these particular
creative arts and filmmakers, you're gonna

977
01:11:01.479 --> 01:11:06.159
like this movie because it has some
big ideas. Does it work in my

978
01:11:06.279 --> 01:11:12.840
opinion, mostly no, But it's
a hell of a swing and gotta respect

979
01:11:12.880 --> 01:11:16.640
it. It's such a huge swing. And if you think about it and

980
01:11:16.680 --> 01:11:23.359
you use your imagination and you think
about the ideas that are there, like

981
01:11:23.439 --> 01:11:28.199
how it does work, you're like, damn, this is actually pretty cool.

982
01:11:28.800 --> 01:11:30.479
And I agree with you, Jeff. When you get to that third

983
01:11:30.520 --> 01:11:34.800
act and it turns into the zombie
movie, then it kicks into it a

984
01:11:34.920 --> 01:11:39.399
high gear. That's a lot of
fun. So you can have fun with

985
01:11:39.479 --> 01:11:44.159
that. But if you're a fan
of the movies, you just just check

986
01:11:44.199 --> 01:11:47.159
it out. Be like, wow, somebody thought of this and somebody made

987
01:11:47.239 --> 01:11:53.239
this and said, yeah, this
is a good idea. Hey, I

988
01:11:53.279 --> 01:11:57.399
think it's a great idea. There
you go. It is it is.

989
01:11:57.680 --> 01:12:02.720
It is currently streaming free on two
B But I for one recommend Shot Factories

990
01:12:02.960 --> 01:12:08.279
excellent four K Collector's Edition. You
get the theatrical cut, you get the

991
01:12:08.319 --> 01:12:12.520
director's cut, which is the preferred
one in my opinion. You get two

992
01:12:12.920 --> 01:12:17.600
really incredible audio commentaries, some great
behind the scenes stuff. If you're a

993
01:12:17.640 --> 01:12:20.600
fan, if you're a cinephile that
loves the behind the scenes stuff, the

994
01:12:20.680 --> 01:12:28.399
interviews, the archival footage, it
is definitely worth the uh the money that

995
01:12:28.399 --> 01:12:33.479
that Shall Factory's asking for. So
check it out and listeners. If you

996
01:12:33.520 --> 01:12:38.720
haven't seen it and you do plan
to see it now, please reach out

997
01:12:38.960 --> 01:12:42.880
on social media. Let us know
what you think about it. Hit us

998
01:12:42.920 --> 01:12:47.680
up on social media or a film
by podcast dot com or a film by

999
01:12:47.720 --> 01:12:50.840
podcast at gmail dot com, because
we want to hear what you have to

1000
01:12:50.840 --> 01:12:59.439
say. On that note, Bill
Jason can't thank you enough for hanging out

1001
01:12:59.479 --> 01:13:02.880
with me and talking about life force. We have definitely got to do this

1002
01:13:02.960 --> 01:13:08.000
again, whether whether I'm knocking on
your door or you're knocking on on ours,

1003
01:13:08.520 --> 01:13:11.359
we got to do this more,
this collaboration because it's like like you,

1004
01:13:11.560 --> 01:13:13.680
like you mentioned Jason, it's a
it's a great community that we've kind

1005
01:13:13.680 --> 01:13:18.680
of established with some of other podcasts
you know that we that we were discussing

1006
01:13:19.159 --> 01:13:23.399
and it's just a good time.
So, uh speaking a good time.

1007
01:13:24.119 --> 01:13:26.840
What do you guys got coming up
next for us? Yeah, so we'll

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be wrapping up our Splatter Cinema month
with The Fly, which will be the

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last Friday of October. And some
other highlights we have coming up to for

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this season is Die Hard right around
the holidays. Oh yeah, and I'll

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have a special guest for that one
that will keep secret. But yeah,

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we're man. We're in the homestead
stretch for season three. So if there's

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any movies that you would like us
to talk about, yeah, hit us

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up on our website All Eightiesmovies podcast
dot com. Give us your suggestions.

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Listeners, please, you are missing
out if you're not listening to these guys.

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And I gotta say the website,
you know how much I love it

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because Bill, I know I've reached
out to you several times to try and

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to know, well, let's just
call it what it is, steal some

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of the cool things that you guys
do on the website. So anything our

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website's doing, you know, to
improve Typically we go, we go check

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you guys out, like, Okay, I love how they do that.

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How do they do that? I
want to do that. I mean,

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yeah, you guys have really got
it going on there, and we can

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hear your show pretty much on all
streaming platforms I would imagine at this point.

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Correct awesome. As always, we
thank you for listening and we will

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see you next time. Welcome to
the All Eighties Movies Podcast. I'm Bill

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and I'm Jason, and this is
the podcast where we talk about the blockbusters,

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the flops, and everything in between
from one of the freshest decades for

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movies, the nineteen eighties. So
whether you're a brain, a jock,

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a valley girl, or a Jedi, we've got some Eighties classics for you.

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Do these movies stand the test of
time? Are we discovering something new?

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Is there an Eighties movie we are
finally watching for the first time?

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Join us each week as we dive
into the cinematic nostalgia that inspired and influenced

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a generation, from the hits to
the cult classics. We'll discuss our earliest

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memories, favorite scenes, fun facts, and are not so favorite movie moments

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too. You can find the All
Eighties Movies podcast wherever you listen to your

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podcast. Please subscribe and happy listening.