1976 - The Enforcer

0:00 You've been transferred to personnel. Personnel that's for assholes. I was in personnel for ten years. Yeah, Hello everybody, and welcome back to nineteen seventy six. It's the limited series from a Film by Podcast. We are looking at the iconic movies from the year nineteen seventy six. We're sharing some facts, talking history, our favorite underrated moments, and the memorable lines. Joining me today for this episode Direct from a Film buy his personnel department, David Burns, personnel that is for assholes. David, I'm from personnel. Yeah, and I'm obviously I'm always excited when this guy is on the mic with us. Jason Covin from the Shirley You can't be serious podcasts. What's up, everybody? I got my forty four magnum and my laws rocket Man, I'm ready to rock today. I was gonna say, like, I appreciate, you know, listeners, these guys, they showed up. They've got their sweater vests on their their sport coats. They are looking like San Francisco's finest and that's a good thing because we are getting dirty today. Join us

1:33 as we talk about the enforcer. We don't give back to you sometimes not you. What are you protecting these people for? You know how many they've killed? Sacrifices have to be made to Oh, you can count on that. East is back. The dirtiest Harry of them all, The Enforcer rate it all. The tagline for this one, the dirtiest Harry of them all. I gotta tell you, like you know, five movies, Clint does five movies, five Dirty Harry movies. This one you take, you take the original out of out of the running. I think this one's my favorite.

2:19 So I totally agree with you. The first one is the best. I have a soft spot in my heart for the one with guns and roses, But yeah, I think this one is probably the second best. Yeah, I agree with that. Yeah, how about you, David? So, my introduction to Dirty Harry was sudden impact. I kind of watched them out of order. But this was years ago, man, when I was young. But yeah, I would say, obviously Dirty Harry is probably the best. But I would go with you guys too. The Enforcer is probably my favorite after watching all of them. Jason. I want to point out that Dave's introduction to Dirty Harry was the one starring Sondra Locke and he and he came back for more. I know that's pretty imprecious, those ugly faces.

3:02 Yeah, you know, with with with all respect to to Sondra Locke, Sudden Impact had a really cool storyline, you know, and it had the greatest tagline of the nineteen eighties, without a doubt, that go ahead make my day. Oh yeah, it was everywhere in nineteen eighty three. Callahan Callahan always this is. If there's one thing that that the enforcer lacks, it's the signature catchphrase, because you know, you know, like you said, go ahead make my days. Probably that might be the most iconic Dirty Harry line catchphrase, next to the you know, the original do you feel lucky? Punk? Right? Yeah, this one he doesn't really you know, he says, uh, what is it? You can count on it? I think I think he says like something like you can count on it, like once or twice. Seem like to me, they were they were trying to make He kept saying marvelous that's right, yeah, get it.

4:00 Yeah, yeah. Anytime something didn't go his way, he was like sarcastically, he was like marvelous. Yeah, yeah, usually focus an officer more of course, but yeah, we'll get to her. Uh so this film, you know, we've got two popular Dirty Harry movies at this point. Now the we're doing Moving Targets, which is changed to Dirty Harry three, and then ultimately Clint changes it to the Enforcer. And I think if memory serves, he I know, he got sued at one point from like a writer or another filmmaker who said that they he stole the Enforcer from from from him, and then Clint's like, no, it's a it's a Bogart movie called, you know, called The Enforcer, and that's where I got it from. And that's a Warner Brothers movie. So interesting, you know, Okay, Court, you know, as memory serves, they you know, judged through it out and said, no, you're not seeing this guy was into some film students who came up with this idea for this script.

4:51 But then they they changed it obviously to mold into this movie. Isn't that where this came from? Or so there's like three two scripts that become one. Initially there's two film students, Dave, You're right, there's two film students. They are captivated by the Dirty Hair character. They write their own script, which introduces like the you know, like the terrorist organization the I forget what they're calling this one, the People's Revolutionary Strikeforce. Oh yeah, yeah, that sounds like something right out of G I Joe. Yeah yeah, so yeah, they they do that, and I know that their whole thing was they took inspiration from the Patty Hurst situation, you know, where she's kidnapped and then joins the Gorilla Army or whatever. You got to give these guys credit because they're unknowns. Right. They show up at if you know, I think if I'm remembering it right, they showed up at Clint's restaurant. Basically they just wait wait him out, like they were like, you know, he's got to show up sometime, and they give it to one of his h his producing partners or something like that. They you know, He's like, I'll let him have it. Amazingly enough, this guy did deliver it, and Clint's like, I like the idea, but this needs a whole lot of work. And then meanwhile, it's the screenwriter for In the Heat of the Night, the guy that won the Academy Award.

6:13 He writes a script for Warner Brothers, and this introduces the female partner aspect. But it's it's really light on action, right. So Clint looks at that one and then he tells this. Clint Eastwood tells an Academy Award winning writer like, hey, you know, or keep your female partner, dump the rest, and then rewrite this script from these film school guys. And that's where you get the Enforcer. That's cool, great story man. I've got some tidbits for you on the Dirty Harry character. I don't know when you want me to bring them, but I'll tell you what. Let's let's get let's talk a little bit about it before we get into this movie and the cast, Let's talk a little bit about the history. So, yeah, break it down for us, Jason, give us a little dirty, dirty hairy history lesson. Okay, So before I start, interestingly enough, I don't know how to set this upright, But what does Dirty Harry and John McClain have in common? Well, detective boat well detectives, both detective detectives, disdain for authority. Okay, I know you got an answer.

7:17 Yeah here it is. Dirty Harry and John McClain were both originally supposed to be played by Frank Sinatra. What yes, Okay, so I know Sinatra was gonna be John McLain from you know, based off the novel. But right, how did do you have any background on how that how that was coming together? So here's what I know about the Dirty Harry movie. So this is pre The Enforcer, Okay, so this is way back before nineteen seventy one, so sixties okay, yeah, okay. This is who they offered the role of Dirty Harry too, John Wayne, Frank Sinatra, Robert Mitchum, Steve McQueen, Bert Lancaster, George C. Scott, Paul Newman, and Marlon Brando. That is a murderer's row of talent. And truthfully, I would say maybe half of them are qualified to play Callahan. So here's the deal. They Morten Brothers buys the script, a script called Dead Right. They bring Frank Sinatra, they hire him to play Dirty Harry, and they bring in Irving Kirshner to direct. Irving Kirshner, who directs The Empires strikes back, ye right, And so so John Millius comes in to write the script. He brings in the element of the lone wolf Cup who's just out for justice, and Frank Sinatra doesn't like the way it's going, so he bails, and when he bails, there goes Irving Kershner and it

8:50 bounces around for a little bit until they land Clint Eastwood. So I just thought that was fascinating. I love that. Now, before I know, you got a little bit more for us. But before we do that, thoughts on who would have who would have made a good a good Harry out out of out of the list you just gave us whol who would be your pick? Jason, if you're if you're sitting at Warner Brother Studio and you gotta make the choice, I'm going Steve McQueen. He had the cool factor. Yea, some of these guys were past their prime. Of course, Clinton runs it runs at about two and a half miles per hour throughout this entire movie. But but I like the Steve McQueen, tough guy. Mm hmm. I think I think McQueen was probably gonna be the way to go.

9:33 Although this is this is after bullet so or is it it's after bullet? Yeah? Does it? If? If? If in the alternate you know, we love going to writ movies at the alternate UH universe video store, But in that in that universe, UH is McQueen's role as a Frank Bullet is it Is it diminished if he's dirty Harry? Maybe maybe, I don't know. So it's interesting he rejected this script. He didn't want to taint what he had done with Bullet. Oh, and he called this script too right wing for him. And as we know, Clint Eastwood's very republican.

10:13 Yes, you know, I had had a coach in high school who believed in the electric couch, right, so not just the electric chair. Let's let's hook three people up at the same time, right, And Clint seems like that type of guy. Right, Yeah, you're committing crime in my city. I'm gonna blow you away. I love it. He's perfect for him, Yeah, ultimately he is. You know, he's the number one choice out of that No, it's I just don't see anybody else besides this in this role in Clint Easwood. Yeah, I'm either guys. I might have a thought on that later. So okay, So here's the thing I got for you. On The Enforcer. It's directed by a guy named James Fargo, and he goes on to direct Clint Eastwood in every which way but loose, which is of course Clint and Clyde. You know the rangutank.

11:00 Oh yeah, you guys cover that on the Shirley podcast as we did. We did that was a lot of fun. We did every which way but lose versus any which way you can. Yeah. And James Fargo had been a production manager on Jaws, and to me this seems like one of those things where everything that Jaw and like anybody who had been associated with Jaws could just get a job after nineteen seventy five. Yeah, Now, then get this. Clint's stuntman for the Enforcer. Guy's name is Buddy Van Horn. Do you guys know this? I know the name, but I don't know where you're going. Yeah, go for it. So he had been with Clint Eastwood, done a lot of movies with Clint. He's in the Stuntman Hall of Fame. He actually goes on to direct Clint in any which way you can. That's where it is. That's where I knew the name you again from your episode. Yeah, so I got something on Fargo for you. Okay, you might know that, you might know this, but uh, when we started the nineteen seventy six series, we opened, we did we did a Clint Eastwood movie. We did the Outlaw Josie Wales with your good buddy Dee Graves Jess and we talked about what's known as like the Clint Eastwood rule, Right, Clint famously fired the director of Outlaw Josie Wales and then kind of took over the production. And you can't do that anymore, you know, And you can't do that because of Clint east Wood, Like you know, uh, you got you gotta remember, Josie Wales comes

12:31 out in the summer. The Enforcer is coming out in the winter. So Clint was originally going to direct this movie, but after all the issues that he had on Outlaw Josie Wales, he did not have the time to prep and do you know, do his scouting and all that stuff. So he had no choice but to lean on his assistant director, James Fargo, who he knew he had worked with before, he knew he was comfortable with. And these guys famously got along. So you know, I'm sure Clint was doing a little bit of a you know, armchair quarterbacking on this one as well. But yeah, you know, if your buddy's directing it, you know you're going to listen to him, especially if your buddy's name is Clint Eastoods. James Fargo also directed some episodes of a TV series. Some people may not be aware of it, and I'm sure you guys are, and that is Tales of the Golden Monkey. Do you guys remember that? Yes, he did that, Yeah, he sure did. Raiders are the Lost Dark TV show, right, exactly, yeah, exactly, yep, you had the dog. Oh yeah, wow, good one. Yeah. So I know this was the I know the enforcement was supposed to be the final installment in the Dirty Harry franchise. You know some couple of characters that we've seen the first two movies, you know, they it's the final time we're going to see him, you know, his partner, Di Giorgio. He gets killed in the line of duty. But it's not the last Dirty Harry movie obviously. You know. This is Warner Brothers. This is Clint.

13:56 You know he kinda he kind of quietly runs things over there. Yeah, and they make like a they privately make an agreement like, hey, just keep pumping these out and you can go on to make whatever you want. So this is where Clint says, all right, I'll do one for you, and then I'll do one for me, and this is where he starts. You know, when we start seeing like Clint each would not play a cowboy and not play a cop. This, you know we have we have the Enforcer to thank for that because you know it obviously is wildly popular and you know, Warner Brothers like we got to have more. So, h that's great, man, that's cool. I've got a little tidbit for you on if we want to talk cast. I don't know when you want to do that, but I've got some cool tidbits for you on that all right, before we get Before we do cast, I do want to point out something because I spotted this. I think maybe the I don't know third fourth time I ever watched this movie. Now, Jason, you might not have noticed this, but Dave, this is this is kind of significant for Dave and I. Dave and I obviously we are based in Cincinnati, Ohio.

15:01 The mayor in the movie. In this movie, the mayor is at the Giants game. He's at Candlestick Park, right, and then that's where he gets kidnapped from. So here's something that I thought was really cool for our baseball fans, for our Cincinnati Reds fans. The mayor is watching his San Francisco Giants play the Cincinnati Reds. Now when you go back, you know, because this wasn't like a he's there. It's an actual ball game if you watch the movie. So this is the Giants game on August fourth, nineteen seventy six. I want to point out this is our this day, this is our World Series champion Reds, you know, because they're world champions from seventy five. They're on a hot streak in seventy six, and you see the batter that strikes out. This breaks my heart because it's one of my heroes. But Pete Rose is the batter that strikes out. You got, you got Kim Griffy on deck, and I just love the fact that, you know, let's do a ball game. It's a summer day and uh oh, the Reds are in town. So that's cool. I was really hoping you were going to say Oklahoma native Johnny Bench uh did something on the field there. Yeah, yeah, he I'm sure he was there that day, but he does not make the final cutout the enforcer. But it's funny you mentioned that. I didn't even recognize that was the Reds. But like when I was watching the scene, I was like, with the red helmets, I was like, oh, that looks like the Reds. It didn't even dawn on me. Yeah, it was, you know, I remember. I want to say it was I think the first time. I

16:33 gotta give credit to my dad. Actually, I think the first time I noticed it. He points out, you know, oh yeah, look because Pete Rose has that very you know, unique batting stance. You know. Then you know, Dave, you you know, and I know it. And that's like, oh wait. It was my dad who was like, yeah, that's Pete right there. It's awesome, what you know. Of course that was a time like it's it's on TBS, we can't like necessarily rewind it. But you know, after that, I was like, yep, that's right. So that's cool. I love that about this movie. Jason. You you mentioned the cast, like the let's get into this cast a little bit. Okay. So obviously we have superstar Clint Eastwood. He's been in a million things. We we know him as Dirty Harry and of course the Man with No Name and I a million other things. He goes on to become a very successful director in his later years. So a couple of things I noticed, because we covered every which way but loose in any which way you can this summer, I recognize a few familiar faces in the terrorist group. We're actually in any which way you can. Mhm. Okay, who you got? So the guy who he kills with the laws rocket at the very end on Alcatraz. Oh, Bobby Maxwell, the main hell not the main guy right before he kills Bobby Maxwell, last guy that he takes the rocket from. Yeah, okay, that's the the bare knuckle brawler that he fights at the very beginning of any which way you can, alright.

18:03 And then the guy who is kind of the first henchman to Bobby. Yeah, he's the guy who proposes the bet for in any which way you can to clint Ey Swid. So clearly Clint is having hiring decisions because these guys show up in later movies. Well, yeah, it's funny you mentioned that one, Jason, because Dave and I just this past weekend we were in Detroit. We got to meet meet and greed a couple legendary actors and actresses, and one of them happened to be mister Donald Gibb, who you probably are well aware of as an Ogre from Revenge of the Nerves. He's Jackson from blood Sport. He also happened to be in one of the Henchmen in Any which Way you can. Yep, really uncredited. I had a great conversation with him. We talked about some of his earlier roles and I got more on that next week on a film buy. But just an outstanding guy, fun to talk with. And yeah, any which way you can was his actually nineteen eighty that's his his film debut, even though he's he's uncredited in it. Wow, that's great, man. Yeah, I got a couple other names for you, just henchman wise. Okay, So we have Joscelyn Jones who plays kind of the She's Mickey. She's kind of the sexy hitchhiker. Yeah, and she's one of those where you know, she sticks her leg out to get some attention. But when it scrolls up, I was like, whoa, yeah, yeah, I know what I had

19:42 to say. I'm laughing because I had the exact same reaction the last time I watched this, you know, yeah apparently Yeah. And then of course you've got this guy named de Van Bookride or who plays Bobby mm hmm. Yeah, and he's he just kind of was just a guy. I mean, he'd been in The Omega Man and he'd done some TV, but nothing really prominent from him. He actually was in Magnum Force uncredited. Okay, if you remember, and I don't know how long ago you watched Magnum Force, but the naked guy that was doing cocaine that the officer shoots, Yeah, same guy. And if yeah, if I've got if I've got one, if I've got one complaint about the Dirty Harry franchise, it's that Clint just keeps bringing back the same people, but he keeps putting them in different roles. And I know we're gonna talk about one of those guys here in a second. Yeah, I mean, like the guy. I know he's playing a psychopath, but he looks like an absolute psychopath. Mm hmm.

20:52 Like his like talk about the thousand yards stare. This guy just owns it, right, those pale blue eyes. Man, he's scary, looks like a kook. Yeah. You know his great moment in this movie when MICKI get shot and Clint's buddy from any which way you can is like, no, she's fine, I'm gonna get you out of here. We're gonna save you. And he comes out. He's like, no, she's dead. She's dead, and he's like, she's not dead, and then he goes kamoon, kamoon, kamoom, Yeah, like now she's dead. I was like, good, now, okay, that's kind of his signature moment for me. That is definitely that guy's signature moment. What are the most brutal moments in a film? Like? I mean, you want to be a memorable bad guy that you you? I think you owned it there. Okay, I got something for you on Time Daily before you get to our man Albert Popwell, can I say, can I? Can I give you one more of your henchman? Yeah? Yeah, I can't believe you didn't mention this one. And Dave, I don't know where you're at, but hanging out in the back of the van. I didn't even need to look this up. As soon as I saw the guy's face, I knew exactly who he was. You know, he's a hinchman. I don't know what his what his name was, I don't remember his name, but Dick Durrock is one of the guys in the van when they go to steal all the weapons where where Mickey gets shot. Yeah, big Duroc who played the swamp thing you know next to Yeah, dude, his face is unmistakable. Yeah.

22:15 I was like, whoa, that's a good one. Yeah, good job. Okay, So let's talk about Tyn Daily for a second. She plays Kate Moore, who's like thrown in with Clint and she's got to keep up and he's like this, this girl's crazy. She can't keep up with me. Marvelous. So she was in Cagney and Lacey. We probably most people who are in our wheelhouse know her as Marybeth Lacey from the TV show Cagney Cagney Lacey. Her dad is James Daily. Now, he's a famous movie actor. He's been in a bunch of TV stuff. He played Flint in the original Star Trek for you Star Trek Guys. Oh hey, okay, one episode. I don't know. I don't know that and that's for you guys, you know, but he had been in a bunch of shows.

23:03 So anyway, he's a famous television actor from like the fifties and sixties. Okay, I didn't know her family was in the business Okay, So get this. So her dad been in a bunch of stuff from fifties and sixties. He's a famous actor. Of course, Tyne Daily has was in Cagney Lays, which ran for six or seven seasons. So she's a famous television actor. Her brother is Tim Daily, who played Joe Hackett on Wings. Yes, and so when you're talking about like TV royalty, dad's been in I think they set some sort of record where dad had been in a television series that ran over six seasons, daughter in a television series that had run over six seasons, and son had been in a television show that ran over six seasons. So unbelievable. I never knew that. I never connected her to Tim Daily because obviously loved him on Wings, and more so he's Dave backed me up here. Might be one of the better voice actors to uh to do to do the Superman role animated movies. Absolutely, Yeah, you mentioned you mentioned Cagney and Lacey. I know this movie is directly responsible for her getting that role. If I'm not mistaken, I would assume. So yeah, she says, yeah, she she turns this script. I think about this. This is this is pre Cagy and Lacy and I don't have her phomography in front of you. But she turns this script down three times before she agrees to do this movie. She didn't like the romantic attachment between

24:36 her and Clint, which maybe that wasn't an earlier draft, because I correct me if I'm wrong, guys, but I see zero romantic you know, I don't see that kind of chemistry between her and Callahan in the Movie's the movie. We got just just the joking around about going to get a beer, but other than that, I don't see anything romantic wise. Yeah, they have they have one playful, banter type moment, but other than that, I'd never picked up on a budding relationship between the two of them. So yeah, well, so the story that I read was that she was like, well, you need to cut this out. This is this doesn't make any sense, okay, and Clint's like, you know what, You're right, and so they cut it. Oh okay, Well there you go. I know, and I also know she really wasn't that happy with her character, like how she was getting treated in the movie, and they actually let her take a look at the drafts and she got to kind of help develop the role so I, you know, this is this. I think this is pretty impressive for Time Daily, especially in this era of Hollywood.

25:37 And you know, cause you even see it like in the movie, like there's a lot of misogyny, there's a lot of you know, your place is in the kitchen type of vibe happening, and you know that's how it was going on, That's how that's how life was. You know, you could say it's that you know, women are still like professional women are still dealing with that kind of crap. So yeah, and the fact that she's running all over San Francisco wearing a skirt and like, you know, I shouldn't you have a skirt? You know, she's got that that knee length dress and the high heels and you know, Jason, you said it. You know, Eastwood's like running two miles an hour. She is booking it, you know. So yeah, I find it interesting. So the mayor does this big thing about how she's like the first female detective. You know, yeah, it kind of props her up, but she's she's she's still kind of a rookie and she's doing dumb things. I don't want to step up my underrated moment, but I'll talk about that here in a second.

26:33 But you know, she's carrying around that briefcase. It's got a bomb in it the whole time, and she's too dumb to look inside to see what it is. And then you know, once she figures it out, she's in the bathroom, Puchan And so they do some things that kind of undermine her confidence as a detective. Well they do, and but at the same time, I think they do that just to show that she doesn't know anything yet. She's she's completely green. And I can talk about this moment because and hopefully it's not it's not the underrated moment that you guys are choosing. But when he gets busted back to personnel where David Burns works, you know, they're interviewing people to be a you know, we need a new inspector and she comes in and he just lights her up, right, and they're like, Callahan, you're out of line, and but she kind of gives it back to him. You know, she stands her ground and you know, she cites the code like you know, and that and that moment he gets impressed. Yeah, and he's like, okay, well maybe, but then obviously, you know, Hey, your new partner. Meet you're new a partner because his captain is just a thorn in his side the whole movie and wants to undermine him. But I don't know, I love. If there's one thing I really love about this movie, it's the growth that the character of Kate Moore Tyan Daly's character. I love the growth that she has.

27:52 You know, I totally agree. She goes from like irritant. You know, Clint's got to carry her basically too. She's reliable, He respects her, he trusts her. You know, she's she rescues the mayor. I mean she's the one that goes and rescues the mayor. Yeah, and so she adds you know, she really does add to this story and does some things that Clint doesn't do. And of course when she gets it in the end, he's really upset by. You know, Harry Callahan is known for catchphrases, big guns, and the fact that if you're his, if you're assigned to be his partner, you're gonna end up in the hospital or the morgue, right right. And you're thinking, this is the third movie.

28:32 You know what, he's got a female partner. She's she's holding her own it's time for a change. But yeah, she makes that ultimate sacrifice at the end, and he is he's, uh, you know, he's hurting for it. Yeah. I like the fact. I like the fact that when this did come out, it was getting a lot of raves, not for Clint, but for Time Daily. Everyone's talking about how she is like the future of a female action and you know, how brave oft to step aside and let, you know, let her have that. I was like, it's scarily reminiscent of another iconic hero that we all know and love. But we won't get into that. We're not going there. Started I think you know what we're I'm talking about. Can we talk about one more Can we talk about one more person? Just because we we kind of hinted at him. We got to talk about Albert Popwell, who plays Mustafa.

29:30 Yes, okay, so I taught you know, I kind of mentioned it. Clint. Whether he's just he's loving the cast he's with, or he's maybe a little lazy, he always brings people back, right right. Five Dirty Harry movies. Clint Eastwood obviously is in five of them. Runner up Albert Popwell is in four out of five playing four different people. What is going on with that? Yeah? I mean one of them he killed, you know. Yeah, so he's the bank robber in Dirty Harry, and I always remember that because that's the whole you know, did he fire five shots? Yeah? Do you feel lucky? And then he's that close that tight shot of Popula where he's like, I gotta know, I gotta know, and you know, and he just he points and you know, pulls the trigger and he would you know what a great great scene. Yeah, he's uh. And then he's a pimp and magnum Force in the sequel, which I'm pretty sure if I remember, Clinton killed him. And then a sudden impact, uh, where Dave's watching Sondra Locke, he was a horse yeah, like king or horse king or something like that. Horse king.

30:48 Yeah, clearly, Yeah, it's cool. Clearly Mustafa his is his best performance. Right, I love I love Mustafa you know in this movie. Yeah, I think that's really neat that Clint brings his friends. We talked about this. When he gets around guys that he likes, he surrounds himself with his friends and you know, lovers, as we see in Sondra Luck. So let's take a quick break, and when we return, we will talk about underrated moments and words that matter. We are back talking underrated moments and words that matter. I got David Burns with me. I've got Jason Colvin from the Shirley You Can't Be Serious Podcast with us. Jason, Before we talk about underrated moments, can we take a quick minute, you know, for the listeners that maybe maybe they're tuned in for the first time, can you tell us a little bit about the Shirley you Can't Be Serious Podcast?

31:45 Absolutely, we are a podcast for the MTV generation. So we are not just eighties, we're seventies. We're eighties, we're nineties. And what we typically do is we'll match movie up against movies. So we've done Dirty Dancing compared to Saturday Night Fever, and then we talk about those movies and then we decide which is the better one. And we do certain albums up against albums, and so we did Alison Chains versus Stone Temple Pilots, we did Michael Jackson's Thriller versus Bad, and so we just compare and contrast and we go deep on. You know, we like to dig out those nuggets that you may not know, and so we try to be informative and fun and just go deep on pop culture. I'll tell you what, because obviously I love I love I love the showy You Keep Me Serious podcast talk about being informative and fun. You guys, I mean you got one of the greatest Facebook pages, well out of it, out of anybody, right, I mean, you guys are You're just dropping hilarious stuff multiple times a day, serious, like informative stuff like you guys are like a great you know, the show You Keep Me Serious facebook page is one of my favorites because it's always in my feed and it's always making It's always makes me laugh.

33:00 I love it. You yess buddy, I appreciate that. Thank you so much. Well, you are welcome, and you are also welcome to share an underrated moment now, Jason, you've been with us on several of our limited series. I know this is your first time on nineteen seventy six. So let me break it down for you. We're not talking about your favorite scene. We're not talking about what you saw on the trailer or like the climactic moment. We're talking about a scene that's a little underrated, but without it the film is a lot less. You got something like that, Yes, I do. But before I give that to you, Jeff, I want to give you a scene in which dirty Harry should have pulled out his forty four magnum and blew a guy away, but did not. Okay, okay, So before I give you this, So when he goes to the autopsy of his partner and friend, Yes, and the dude takes his skull off and is starting to make jokes about, hey, look here it Sosi to Luigi's on there. Yeah. I was like, what is the deal?

34:00 Clinton needs to blow this guy away? I couldn't believe that they would be so crass in the in the autopsy room. Yeah, And I know that scene was meant to like, hey, let's push Tyan Daily, you know, let's let's really let's really get under her skin here, because you know, because Clint's doing the whole Hey, you know, if you've ever done one of these, maybe you want to wait outside. She's like, don't concern yourself with me, inspector, because she's going to prove herself. And I almost feel like it's like, all right, let's let's really, you know, let's really mess with her because like you don't have to, you don't have to, you know, inspect the guy's brain, you know when you know, and I don't even know why they're doing an autopsy, honestly, like we know what happened to the guy. It's his buddy.

34:45 I mean he was just holding his wife's hand, you know. Yeah, so just but to that yeah, to that point though, I mean he walked, you know, you know, George did Georgia is like, hey, get my wife. Clint's outside talking to talking to his captain. You hear the flat line she's and he's like, all right, let's get to work. He's he's ice cold. So so again, uh, credit the time daily because when she gets killed in the line of action at the end of this movie, it clearly affects Clint, you know, and it's got one of the better fadeaway endings to a Dirty Harry film. I think, yeah, you know, all right, so here's my underrated moment. Okay, I thought it was the one true humorous moment in the movie. There's several. So they go to the uh you know, like this police area where they're going to demonstrate with a los rocket with a do oh yeah, and so the the police guy's showing him, Okay, you pull this lever and you pull this thing down and you use your scope here and Kate Moore Tyne Daley's character like is looking behind him, and right before he shoots this rocket, Clinton grabs her by like the scrap of her neck and pulls her out of the way, and it's this rocket blast that would have, you know, take hit her right in the face. Yeah, And I thought that was a funny moment. It showed that he cared about her and that she was still you know, kind of green. Yeah, a good choice because Kate Moore doesn't have a face if he doesn't yank her out of harm

36:19 a way, and you know she doesn't you know, she doesn't know what she's doing and she's trying to get that bird's eye view. You're absolutely right, that was I did. I did chuckle when when I see that scene. How about it, Dave? So For me, it is when they are with the mayor and they're walking to you know, to the press, to the media, and he's wanting to give them accommodations, uh, to Harry in office for more, you know, for capturing mist Off and you know, bringing down the terraffs, but which didn't happen, and Harry confronts the mayor right there, you know, basically, you know, standing up saying, you know, we didn't do that. You know, I was working with Mastafa to bring down the terrorist. You know, we're not gonna take credit for this, basically, you know, and he ends up getting suspended right then and there. And he even adds time to his suspension for crying out loud, you know, which which I thought was absolutely hysterical, but not just that, it just added so much character to Harry because you know, it just proves he may cross the line from time to time.

37:15 He he's he's a bad ass, but you know what, he still cares about making sure if he does the job, he should get credit. If he doesn't do the job, he shouldn't be getting the credit. I know, we're I know, we're just about to get the words that matter. And I hope I'm not blowing up either either of your spots. But that you know you talked about he you know, he he actually provokes the captain to give him more time, you know, a bigger suspension, and then we get that classic you know, give me your badge and Clint's like, but you know, here's a seven pointed suppository sticking up your ass. You know. I love that moment. I do like the fact that for each of us we're talking about an underrated moment that involves Kate Moore. I'm gonna go with one that I feel like shows a lot of growth on Harry's part.

38:02 And uh, you know they have that we talked about that playful banter and you know, he's kind of like, you know she you know, she's talking about like, why do you carry a forty four magnum everyone else carries thirty eighth and three fifty sevens And he's talking about how, you know, he needs a lot more power. She goes, oh, so it's about penetration. And he's like, is everything sexual and she's like, you know, not always, and he's like, let's get a beer and then they end up getting orange juice and they're just having like a nice, nice conversation and like, in that moment, I feel like Harry has found his equal because we've seen two movies where he just is like, yeah, you're not gonna make it to the end of the week, and my partners always get killed and but he cares about her, you know, she he's looking out for. But by this moment when they're they're having that conversation drinking orange juice, of all things, he's talking to an equal and I thought that was kind of cool. I like that one. Yeah, that's a good one. We'll speaking the good one. Let's let's talk words, Jason Covin.

39:02 Let's talk about a memorable line from this movie. And there's several, but do you have a favorite favorite quote or a favorite line. I'm gonna stay away from the big one. I think that one's coming. But I like the part at the beginning when for some reason there are a bunch of robbers that are holding up a liquor store and they decided to take hot ossages, right, yeah, and so, and Clint actually goes into me with him. They actually the actor kicks him in the butt on his way out the door. Yes, and that was improvd right, Yeah, Clay didn't know he was going to do that. I'm wondering if that guy ever worked again. I didn't see him any which way you can exactly. But he goes back and the guy says, what are you gonna do? Harry?

39:45 And he's like give him the car. And so that was my favorite line because he's getting ready to drive the car right through the liquor store and then just pull out the cannon start blowing people away. I missed the days to shoot first task question later? Yeah, absolutely, all right, Uh Dave, what do you got? So mine is when Moore was in the bathroom puking because she realized the uh she was carrying around dynamite. And it's when you know, the the chief is basically telling him, hey, give you know, give her a break, you know that kind of thing. He goes, Look, look she wants to play lumberjacks. She's gonna have to learn to handle her in log He load that line. That's a great one.

40:25 Uh you know you guys have you guys just dropped a couple of awesome ones. One that always makes me laugh because I'm like, man talking about sticking it to this guy again. Harry has no reservations about uh mouthing off to his captain. And when he's like, yeah, I make a statement, McKay, go ahead, your mouthwash. Ain't making it. Your mouthwash, hain't making it. I love that one. Man. That's good. We'll tell you what guys, let's take one more quick break and we'll we get back. We're gonna talk about prequel, sequel, remake. David Burns, you have answered this question almost as many times as I've asked it.

41:10 I think he sounds about right. You know. You know, we cover this one. This was a fun holdout from our our nineteen eighty six series. Yep, let's talk prequel, seql, remake. So if you're heading into Warner Brothers studios, Dave to pitch something for Dirty Harry talking about the Enforcer, what do you got for him? You got to you got a prequel, a sequel, or a remake. I have a sequel, okay, and this's gonna be a little bit different sequel because it's going to wrap up. It's gonna bring back the entire series for a whole new generation of Dirty Harry. So my idea is Harry has the son that he never knew about, and he is is he becomes a detective and learns about his you know, and he basically was giving us a chance to rediscover who Harry Callahan is. He finds old cases that his father had touched and about the legend that Harry was when he was on the force and all the time he's getting tingled up in this new detective story. We discovered that Harry recently passed away.

42:23 So we go with this his son to his father's house where he discovers the magnum forty four and a few other things you know, the house, basically learning who his father was. He also learns about his father being very famous for crossing the line quite a bit, so he makes it a point of being a detective that he's not going to cross that line like his father did, so he writes it very close. But somewhere in the film, either his partner or someone he deeply cares about loses their life, so he has to cross that line in the film, which really, you know, makes him realize why his father did what he did when he was on the force. So and at the very end, after you know, the story gets wrapped up and everything at the very end, or as a stinger, we see his his son chasing a criminal through some alley ways, exchanging some gunfire into cornering him. He's wielding his father's forty four magnum and of course we're gonna hear it is here. We hear his fine son say the famous line, I know what you're thinking. Did he fire six shots or only five? You got to ask yourself one question. Do you feel lucky?

43:38 Well? Do you punk? The son will be played by Scottiswood and it will be titled simply Dirty Harry. All right, well, Jason, I don't usually get to have this this moment, so you and I let's let's let's be suits for a second, because I got I'm loving what I'm hearing, and I only have one note for him, but I want to hear what your thoughts are before before I dish. Well. I think that's a great idea. In fact, Scott Eastwood would be a perfect Dirty Harry. He's tall, he looks like a cowboy, he looks like his dad, really looks just like his dad at age thirty thirty five yep, and he's the right age area. I love it. The only thing I would say to David, I'd be like, man, that sounds great, But we could remake it using Scott Eastwood and call it Dirty Harry. Okay, See, Jason, maybe maybe I've just got Fraser Crane on the brain a lot more lately, since we're doing the Crane scrutiny. But Dave, I love what you're doing. But I was thinking, what if it was a famous cold case that Callahan never cracked? Yep, could be and we got Scott Eastwood. Let's let's call dad and have dad maybe Jason kind of doing like a Martin Crane thing, like going over the case files, and maybe he's

45:09 kind of helping his son, you know. So, Dave, my only note would be like, let's let's let's not kill Harry Callahan Senor maybe he's there in a limited capacity helping with his cold case. That would like perfect too. I love it. I absolutely love it. Jason. That is a that's a tough act, tough act to follow. What do you what do you know? Well, so I'm doubling down. I'm remaking the original Dirty Harry, Okay, And I think it's the perfect time because we know about the woke politics and the craziness of California and how crime is running rampant right now. And so here's the deal. We need somebody with a forty four magnum to go in clean house a little bit, and I'm recasting.

45:57 I've got some names for you, but I settled on go with me. On this Tyler Perry as Dirty Harry taken back the Streets of San Francisco. That's that is a very surprising choice. Yeah, and listen, I'll be the first to say I am not a fan of that all the media stuff. I've seen him do dramatic roles and he is an incredible actor. So I'm intrigued. And you said you got some other names, like who else? Who else you cast in this Jrdy Harry remake? Well, so I was I was looking at like, who could play a tough, angry, you know, take control kind of guy, and just a lot of pretty boy actors right now, so there's not a lot of guys to choose from.

46:52 But I looked at Gerard Butler, I looked at Jim Caviezel, I looked like Ildris Elba. But I settled Tyler Perry just because I think he's got that right mixture of humanity and you know, focused anger. Now are you keeping like the you know you're doing a remix, so are we gonna get you know, obviously, Dirty Harry, you know, was was heavily based off of the Zodiac killings, So who did you think of? Like who he's going up against Gosh, I mean, I'll double I'll go with you on this. How about let's continue that Fraser Crane talk. How about Kelsey Grammer as the Zodiac Killer. That is a crazy film that you're you're throwing us and it's a crazy film and you're yeah, and we're talking modern day like you're you're winning a modern day Dirty Harry in San Francisco. Yep, he is. He's angry, he's got the sniper rival, he's picking off people for random reasons, holding the the whole city hostage. So he so he's uh, who was it David Sideshow side Shoe Bob in the substances?

48:04 Hey, Grammar plays a great villain. I okay, I'm with you. I'm with you. Two tough acts to follow, so I'm going to keep it simple. Guys, if you have listened to us cover Heartbreak Ridge on nineteen eighty six, if you listened to the Outlaw Josie Wales episode I did with Dee Graves on this series nineteen seventy six, you probably know where I'm heading. I want to do a prequel franchise, and here's the caveat. It takes place after Dirty Harry, but before the Deadpool, so kind of like a you know, mix it in there in Harry's Prime. And of course Scott Eastwood is playing the iconic role of Harry Callahan because he looks just like his father, he sounds like his father, and uh, I don't have a you know, I don't have a clever tie for you, but I'm ready to green light like three movies like give me a trilogy, a prequel trilogy set you know, in those in those in that block of time, just more like the further Further Adventures of Dirty Harry, you know, for lack of a better better title. Take my money, Yeah, take my money. I've got one little thing. I've got one other thing I'm gonna throw at you. See what you think about this? Okay?

49:28 I think there is a spiritual cousin to the Enforcer, and it's a movie that we've all seen, we probably all enjoy. Okay. So the plot of the Enforcer is that this group of crazy, this band of crazies take the mayor holding hostage from Alcatraz. Yeah, mid nineteen nineties, we get crazy group of army guys holding the entire city hostage from Alcatraz. Yeah, I love your cousin the Rock the Rock, Okay, I see it, yep, I like that. In addition to that, can we talk extended family for the Enforcer? Yeah, okay, I'd probably have to get ahold of my buddy Andy Tom, who was with me when we did Assault on Precinct thirteen. But I kind of feel like the paramilitary group that that Callahan's up against here in San Francisco. Maybe they're like the upper echelon of the Rolling Thunder Street gang from Assault on Precinct thirteen. Ah, they're in Los Angeles, like you know, they're like the low level guys, and these guys are like the more organized guys like I'm kind of seeing, like the Enforcer and Precinct thirteen. Maybe there's some loose connections there as well, both out in seventy six. So, M that's cool. That's fun, right,

51:00 Yeah, absolutely it is. Let's wrap this up, Dave. Out of four possible stars, what do you what do you? Uh? What are you given the Enforcer? I'm gonna give the Enforcer a three point wow. What you did there? I see exactly what you did there? Okay, Okay, I can't top that jaw. How about you? Well, it's hard to follow that up. But I'm gonna give this one a two point five. Wow, two five. I just didn't really think the bad guys were very effective in this. I like Clint, I like Kate, needed a stronger bad guy. That's fair. Okay, yeah, I'll give you that. Well, I'm uh, you know again, I can't top what Dave just did there. I'm gonna give a solid three, solid three.

52:00 It's you know. Coincidentally, it's the third film in the franchise, and outside of Dirty Harriets, it's definitely my favorite one. Yeah, so yep, yep. Well, Jason, I do want to thank you. It's always a pleasure chatting with you. Whether it's whether it's about Fraser Crane on on Mondays on the Crane Scrutiny podcast, or it's on eighty six or sometimes when I'm over there on the Shirley podcast. It's always a blast when when you're with us, Man, So I appreciate it. Man, thanks for having me. And as always, yes, our Fraser Crane podcast. If you like the New Fraser or the old Fraser, come check us out the Crane Scrutiny. Jeff and I have been doing that together and It's great to hang out with David again. We did foul Play a few months ago.

52:44 That was a lot of fun. So thank you for having me. I always I love your show and I'm always happy to be on it. Well, you know you will be back. But let's talk about the Shirley Keep Serious podcast. Well, what's what's new? So we just dropped are track by track through the Grease soundtrack. The second biggest album nineteen seventy eight was the Grease soundtrack. We're going song by song. We've got all kinds of nuggets and information, and it's those iconic ones that you love, hopelessly devoted to you, Grease. You're the one that I want all that stuff. It's gonna be a lot of fun. Awesome, awesome, Dave you are, You're no stranger to Grease. What is your favorite song on the Grease soundtrack? Man? I have to hark back to what I said in the podcast we did for a film at forty five. I don't remember what I said. Do you have a favorite now? Not that I can think of? You cut me off guard? Jeff, hold on? How dare you catch me off guard? If I don't remember all the songs? What about you, Jeff, what's your favorite grease song? You know, it's You're the one that I want. That's the feel good have a good time, sing a long song for me, so Lettie, Sandy, Yeah, tell me about it. Stud have you, David? Are your chills multiplying?

54:05 Have you? Have you got chills? Are not multiplying? What was the last song that they did? You're the one that I want, You're the one I want. Yeah? The last one is we go Together? Oh that's right, Yeah, that's yeah. The shamlamo ding don shamalaing and ding dong. That's that change changeup. That would be the one. All right, Well, Dave again, always a pleasure with you, sir. I'm looking forward to you guys. You're on a short a super short break, but uh, fasers set the stunt yep. You know you guys. You guys have a regular Star Trek series happening now for a film by podcast, and I cannot wait to hear what you guys are going to do with that. Yeah, we got a big world, universe, galaxy whatever you want to call it, to explore, and we've got some great ideas and we can't wait to share that with everybody well, we are looking forward to it. Listeners, we would love for you to share your thoughts on The Enforcer. Do you have a favorite film in the Dirty Hairy franchise? Reach out to us, let us know www dot a Film by a Podcast.

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