1996: From Dusk till Dawn

0:00 Hey, this is Tiffany Helm from Friday the thirteenth, five Violet, and you are watching and listening to a film Buy. What's up, everybody? I'm Jeff Johnson from a Film by podcast, and I'm hoping you're down for this dope series we've been doing all year long. We've broken down the fresh films of nineteen eighty six, we examined the gritty cinemascape of nineteen seventy six, and now it's time to check out the hella good flicks of nineteen ninety six. Earlier this week, Amber Lewis and I discussed the John Landis vampire film Innocent Blood, which certainly left us hungry for further conversation about bloodsuckers. David, are you a faithless podcaster or a mean motherfucking servant of a film buy?

1:13 I'm a servant of the film buy. David Burns is back. We are on our way to scare Fast weekend in Lexington, Kentucky. But first we're gonna head to the Titty Twister for drinks. That's because Dave, I hear it's open from dusk till dawn. Do you want to live through this? On ancient ground? A terrifying April has been unleash. No Five Strangers are our only hope to stop it. On Friday from January nineteenth, the Showdowns is on from Lombard Drug Duguez from Quentin Tarentino from dusk till dawn, Great at a.

2:04 Cheap drinks, loud music, vampires, This will be one hell of a night. Richie and Seth Gecko are on the run. They robbed a bank and are now making their escape to Mexico, leaving death and destruction in their path, while also taking a family hostage to help them get over the border. They managed to make it into Mexico to their destination, the Teddy Twister, which is open dusk to dawn. It is here where their story about two robbers just trying to escape quickly turns into a horror story. The group now find themselves surrounded by vampires and a new type of survival ensues. So happy to be talking about a vampire film that absolutely kicks ass. After we after the debacle that is John Landis's vampire film, You and Scott, You and Scott would have shredded that one man. If that was an eighty six episode, po missed out on it. I'm sure Amber is not sad that she missed.

3:01 Out on it. I'm sorry, Himber, I'm sorry. From Dusk Till Dawn opens at number one, grossing ten point two million in its first week yep, and then it falls to number three in its second week, being beaten out by a combination of Mister Holland's Opus and Bed of Roses. Interesting. I mean, mister Holland's Opus is a great film. It is it is, but over from Dust Till Dawn come on, well listen, I'll give Dreyfus the crown. But Bed of Roses there, Yeah, that was like that was like that shitty Christian Slater movie. Yeah. I don't remember what it's about. I don't hear her.

3:43 It's something where he had roses, he delivered roses, I don't know, and. He within a bed. I don't know something. Uh. From Dust Till Dawn would go on to gross fifty nine point three million dollars worldwide, not a bad haul for a vampire film that almost wasn't made. We'll get to that here a little bit. Yeah, it has some mixed reviews too, but I know Roder Ebert loved it, loved. It so Yeah, mixed reviews. Ebert was a big fan, but a lot of a lot of people describe the film as well made, if not overly violent, which is, ok, it's a vampire movie. Don't Yeah, it's Quentin Tarantino. Come on, Well, okay, let's talk like these critics complaining that it's overly violent. It is a vampire movie written by Quentin Tarantino and directed by Robert Rodriguez. What what what movie were you expecting to see?

4:32 Exactly? Hello, you know these two guys, you put them together. What did you expect to happen? K and be effects group is on board for this, Like it's gonna get gory, and you know it's It's funny though, because there was there was a lot of stuff that was to gory, even for Tarantino. Like if you've got the if you've got the Blu ray or the DVD, you can see some of these extra scenes, Like there's one day did you ever? I don't know if you've watched them. But I've heard something about there. There was one scene that Quentin Tarantina got really grossed out by, but I don't remember what it was. Well, I'll remind you it was one of the female stripper vampires. Her stomach kind of opens up into like this mouth.

5:15 Yeah, she's in the film. You can see her. Yeah, and her and and the dude, like one of the one of the patrons gets his head shoved into her stomach and she she kind of bites his head off with her stock. Okay. QT was like, nah, that's I don't even want to see it. He didn't even he didn't even watch it. He just said, don't use it. I don't want to see it. Oh man, I want to see it. It's yeah, it's on It's on it. It's out there. You can I'm sure. I'm sure it's on YouTube. But if not, it's it is one of the uh the deleted scenes you can get on the on the disc. Dave Clooney wins Best Actor at the Fangoria chainsaw Awards and the Saturn Awards, and Best Breakthrough Performance at the MTV Movie Awards. I can see think about that for a second. George Clooney winning Best Breakthrough Performance. With his career, he's already had think about the career well, I mean he because he had a decent career up until from dust till Dawn. He was a successful television actor. But he really really wasn't the movie star, right? No?

6:13 I guess not really, which which I want to put a little note here, which is kind of funny that Quentin Tarantino and George Clooney were in The Golden Girls. Looney was in The Golden Cord. I know, I know, I know, uh I know. Tarantino played like an Elvis personator on an episode What what what? Clooney was a Coloney was a cop and in one of the episodes. Officer Seth Gecko. Yeah, yeah, I just. Well this movie also it wins Best Horror Film at the Saturn Awards. YEP. Quentin Tarantino nominated for the Razzie Awards Worst Supporting Actor. You want to you want to take a wild guess at who who who beat him? Who won? Who won the Worst Actor the Worst Supporting Actor?

6:56 I should say, I'm not sure who was it? Well, okay, I'll give you I'll give you multiple choice here. Okay, Marlon Brando for his role in the Island of Doctor Moreau, who Steven Sagal for his role in Executive Decision. Val Kilmer for Ghost in the Darkness. What do you think at least say it was Marlon Brando. Marlon Brando winning the Worst Supporting Actor was not meant to be for quit you know what. I like The Island of Doctor Moreau. I don't get it. I didn't. I didn't like his performance. But man, there's a lot of history behind that movie. So there's a documentary.

7:36 I don't think an on side trip, but there's a documentary about that movie. Watch it. That documentary is awesome. Brad Koso was like, you gotta watch Brad Coso owns a physical copy of that documentary. H I was like, really, and he was like, just watch it. Yeah, I did. I loved it. It was just as good as the movie. I wanted to watch the movie after I was done with it, But I digress. Dave. Let's uh as you and Scott like to say on a film at forty five, let's let's go behind the lens here. Yeah, let's it. We're behind the scenes. It's nineteen ninety six. I guess I should keep to my own lane, right, that's. Right in your own lane, Jeff. This movie has quite an origin story. You want to you want to share that a little bit? Sure, So anyone who knows this was conceived by Robert Kurtzman, who actually wrote the film's initial treatment back in nineteen eighty eight when he basically co founded the special effects K and B Effects Group. Apparently in nineteen ninety he hired Quentin Tarantino to write this script, and he basically paid him one thousand, five hundred dollars an agreement to use K and B Effects to provide makeup in his Reservoir Dogs, which is very interesting because who would not want to work with Robert Kurtzman In my opinion, Well, you bring up a good point.

8:55 The guy is amazing. We had the opportunity to meet with him last year. I didn't want to leave. I didn't want to leave that room. He was just he was. I was. I was fascinated discussing you know, his his filmography, his work and film. And he had actual work there, remember his original artils that you don't see on screen, you could see there in his work and it was just amazing. Mind blowing. Yeah. You know, the thing is that Kurtzman, you know he is he is a director in his own right. I know, Dave, I know we got to reach out to him and see if he'll he'll talk with us. Next season with one of you know, one of his films, but he had always intended to direct From Dust Till Dawn. Yep, But given he had no experience as a director, the film was over the top of violence and gore no studios going to back it.

9:43 You know you gotta have you gotta have Tarantina, right, yep, yep. Yeah. So, after after paulp. Fiction is a big hit, qt tells Merrimax, Hey, my next movie is going to be From Dust Till Dawn and then he uh, he asked his buddy, his new his new buddy, Robert Rodriguez to direct it. Merra Max green lights it and they start shooting this in the summer of nineteen ninety four. Isn't it amazing? Already seeing some of Quentin Tarantino's work, you know what you get from him. And then when you go to see this movie, even if you don't know what it's about at first, it has that predator feel, if you know what I mean. You go to in the movie where you get, like the first half of the movie, you think it's going to be completely something else, but then when you get to the turning point, it goes a completely different direction. For you, which is amazing, and I loved it because when I got to that point, it's like, holy crap, I'm watching a horror movie with Quentin Tarantino.

10:37 Yeah, they were very the initial teasers for this were very covert. Yeah, I should say, yep. I think about that. Like you if you look at the box cover, you don't see a single vampire. You don't see the word vampire, you don't. You don't even in the movie. You don't even see a vampire until what like an hour and two minutes I think, Yeah, And the movie's like an hour and forty eight minutes. So you're right. This is a it's a road movie. Yep. So it's a crime road movie and I'm loving it. Like this could have this could have this could have not been a vampire movie, and I still think it would have been amazing. Well, that's the thing. That's what I love about this movie. When it opens up, it opens up in your typical fashion of a Quentin Tarantino, where you know, you get all that dialogue going back and forth between people and you're just listening to every word coming out of their mouth because it's written so well. Because it's Quinton, you have to you love those long dialogue scenes, right.

11:33 I love him. I absolutely love his dialogue. He is I think he's probably if he's not the best, he's definitely one of the best. Oh maybe maybe he is the best. When it comes right, I feel. I would say he is the best. Jeff, at least in modern day he is the best. Absolutely, Yeah, I'm not even going to debate it. Nope. One fun thing here about the release of this film, h so this This was released in February. In May of nineteen ninety six, the film was banned in Ireland by Irish Film censor Board head Seamus Smith, citing the film's quote irresponsible and totally gratuitous violence.

12:13 Shame on you, Seamus, shame. Give the people a fun vampire movie. Shamous No, kiddy, come on man, poor Seamus. Yeah, Dave, let's take a quick break and then when we come back, I want to dive right into this film soundtrack and score because it's awesome. Welcome back, David. Yep. The score composed by gram Ravelle. Yep, absolutely awesome. He he composes music for this film and The Craft in nineteen ninety six, and he's got a pretty celebrated I don't know if you call it filmography discography, I don't know what co I don't know what you call it for composers, but uh, filmography is good pilmography. Yeah, okay, I'll tell you what though. My first thought when you say his name.

13:06 The Creaky, same as mine, I was just, yeah, that's his same as mine. Immediately want to crow, which is incredible. It's an absolutely incredible film score. It is. And when you look at his work, I mean he's got a lot of stuff where you you look at his list right and it's like I've seen that, I've seen that, I've seen those six and maybe you don't recognize. Yeah, it does like memory doesn't recall. So some of his stuff, though, hits hard though, like Sin City, The Crow, don't forget this movie. Blacks got a really good score Pitch Black. Yeah, I forgot he did that one. Yeah, I remember watching that movie. I was like, man, that's a really standout score. I mean it's nothing like John Williams or anything like that, but no, it fit the movie perfectly, and you remember thus.

13:48 So Yeah, as much as I love his score, I love the soundtrack twice as much. Yeah, And I'll tell you right now. In ninety six, I wore this CD out. I'm sure I loved it. I absolutely loved it, and I'll tell you right now. The soundtrack more or less sparked my appreciation for that bluesy Texas rock mm hm. I mean think about we got zz Top and Stevie ray Vaughan both offering a few songs. Likewise, with Tito and Tarantula, who has a has a little spot in the film they have they have a little cameo, a fun one. Let's just let's just talk about this, uh, this soundtrack for a second, because this is one of the fun was remember in the nineties. This is something that I feel.

14:34 I don't know. I don't know if Quentin Tarantino started it. He might have I but if he didn't, all I know is it was his soundtracks that I reckon that I saw that this was happening. He would add some audio from the movie, like the sound like the soundtrack, like I loved it, because the soundtrack for from Desktill Dawn actually starts with George Clooney doing his everybody be cool speech. Yeah, everybody be cool, you be cool? Yeah, and then it goes right into dark Knight by uh by the Blasters. That song, man, I mean, I know it's like a I think they're like a late seventies early eighties band. The Blasters. Dark Knight is one of the coolest tracks you could hear in a vampire movie and it fits this one so good. You I gotta ask, though, do you have you like, who's your favorite on this soundtrack? Do you have a favorite? Do you have a go to?

15:26 I mean I'm always a fan of Easy Top Man. No, yeah, they got Mexican Blackbird, Yeah, they got uh She's got that. That's yeah, She's yeah, that's a great song. Yep, this is this. I'm pretty sure this is my introduction to Steve Ray Vaughan. H a good introduction on my dad. Yeah, I mean, not not about to complain, No, I just you know, I couldn't believe like what I was hearing. I was like, what who is this? And you know Mary had a little lamb WILLI the wimp? I mean, that's it. Just these are great eight songs. But you can't talk about From Dust Till Dawn without talking about Tito and Tarantula because they've got some some good songs. They think they do uh what's the first one called when they're really just laid into it and everyone's just you know, the parties is getting out of control. I think it's a angry cockroaches.

16:16 Angry cockroaches that are opening boxes. I think with one, isn't it maybe? I think what's in there? It doesn't even matter because, like I'll tell you right now, the song that they do after Dark for Salma's Salma's dance. Yeah, that song is so good. Absolute Well, well, well we'll get to We'll get to Salma's dancing. I've got that. It's right, Oh, I got that. Don't worry, we're gonna get to that. Yeah. Uh. I will say this though about about Salama since you know, since you, since you brought it up, you know, I'll say I'll say this much for I mean, as much as I love that song after Dark, the script call for her to dance to a song called Down in Mexico by the Coasters. And if that sounds familiar to you, that's the song that Quentin Tarantino used in Death Proof when Butterfly does her lap dance.

17:11 Ah yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. Yeah yeah. Apparently Rodriguez saw it and was like, now, I'm not using that song. I got Tito, I got the translus I'm in the band right, like he's one of Tito and translate in the in the in the movie. Yeah he is. Yeah, a little little little cameo for for the director. Love it when directors do that. Man m Night always does it, and yeah for Hitchcock obviously was notorious for doing it. So yeah, I think I think the most if you're talking directors that are always in their movies but are very subtle and very shy about it, probably Carpenter is the king, Yeah, because he doesn't want you to see his face. He's always got his back to the camera and he's like on the phone, or he's leaving out the door. He's always doing something. But yeah, always it'd be. A great to you know, that'd be not to get off topic because there's so much talk about from Doustal down, but wouldn't it be great to do like a limited like a like a one off episode where we just talk about director cam like like Ranco.

18:01 Yeah, good idea. Yeah, all right, listener, listeners, if you want to hear that, you might want us know, we'll you know, we'll put that in production. Dave, if we if we get to risk get, if I get one person says I want a director cameo. Episode, we'll do it. About that sounds good to me. Yep. This cast is huge. It is Listen. I almost I almost regret that this is a an episode for nineteen ninety six because there's so much to talk about, and I know we we kind of rip right through these We do these segments, but we'll be brief, but well we'll be fair. So let's let's talk principal worlds. First. George Clooney as Seth Gecko. Yep, Dave.

18:43 Clooney's current asking price is about twenty million dollars per picture. No, is that all he was paid. You want to take a guess of what he was paid for this? I want to say it's way under twenty million. It is, you would be you would be correct in that assessment. How about two hundred and fifty thousand dollars? Way under way? He actually he was suggested for this role because of his work on ER. So if that tells you where he's at. Okay, you know this and this, that's like what nineteen ninety four he's doing ER. This is before like this is way before like Friends had set the set the record straight with like getting a million dollars each per episode, right, Yeah, and you've got some amazing, amazing talent on er but and he's certainly he was one of them. But yep, yeah, it's like I like this er guy. Let's let's have him play a murderous outlaw.

19:36 Yeah. And it worked, and it worked. It definitely worked. H I'll tell you what didn't work. It's because of From Dust Till Dawn. H. You could say that this movie is directly responsible for Joel Schumacher casting him as Batman, and Batman and Robin. So Schumacher came out of this movie, then. Well, I do you. I don't know that though, if you're Joel Schumacher and you're watching this movie because George Clooney just kicks ass to the whole thing, and I'm gonna, I'm gonna go I'm gonna I'm gonna go ahead and go on record right now. This is my all time favorite George Clooney performance. It's my all time favorite George Clooney character. No one comes to mind when I'm talking.

20:17 When I'm thinking George Clooney, I can't think of one person that I love more as far as like characters go, can you. I would have to go with you with that, Oh, brother out that was awesome. It is, But and he's what's fantastic in that he is. But I'll give this one the nudge. I'll give this one the lead because you are right. He is so good in this movie from beginning to end. I watched When I recently watched this, it was one thing that was shocking for me was finding out how often I quote in paraphrase Seth Gecko in real life. There are so many catchphrases he has in this Yeah, and I use them all the time. Yeah, And it's just I watched it. That's where I got it. Yeah, he is. He's the epitome of cool.

20:58 It's funny when I when I watched this movie, this is the epitome of a Jeff Johnson film. It really is. And I'm not just saying that because it's Quentin Tarantino. It just has a lot of Jeff Johnson in this film. And there's no doubt about it. Anybody that knows you, you don't understand where I'm coming from on this. Yeah, Hey, I will, I will happily take that compliment. I will take that as a compliment because as you should. Yeah, I love this movie. I absolutely love this movie. Quentin Tarantino playing his brother Richie getto now Here's let's let's just you know you kind of we're off Mike talking about this and it's it's weird because when you first watched this movie in nineteen ninety six, you know, we were so much younger. Yep, he was cool, he was I mean, he he's got some cool moments, don't get me wrong, But but you watch it in this one, he watched it as an adult, and he's and then you clue into the fact, like, oh wait, he's he's a sociopath, he's a rapist. He's creepy. He's unbelievably creepy.

21:58 Like the way he looks at Juliet Lewis m h makes my skin crawl, even when they have that little funny moment where he's imagining that she's saying something. Yep, and clearly he's like in his own world. I mean, that's a you need that bit of levity there, you do to reduce the creep factor a little bit, but he's still creepy. Dude, he is. And I want to make a note here. I want to talk about something really quick. I know we're talking about the cast, but since we're talking about the Get Go Brothers, when I'm watching this movie, specifically in the beginning of well not really the beginning, but like the first part where they're on the way to Mexico, specifically when they are in the motel room, there is a feeling here that I get from two other characters in a complete other movie that really resemble what's going on between Seth and Ritchie here, and that movie is of mice and men. You really get that George Milton and Lenny small vibe going on between these two characters. Am I wrong?

22:57 You are one hundred percent ride. I've never even thought of a about the connection there. Yeah, you've got the the responsible, smart one, You've got the dangerous not so smart one, right, and that whole loyalty, the whole a bro am I my brother's keeper thing that's happening here. I never even thought about that, Dave. That's a that's a great point. Yeah, that's what the vibe I got. I love that scene. By the way, it's it's it's it's unsettling. Oh god, it starts. It starts off kind of fun. You know. Seth comes back, he's he got some hamburgers, and then all of a sudden he's like, wait, where's the hot you know, where's the hostage. I think that's one of the most brilliant shots or scenes in the film. And because we don't see yeah, and the editing is is just unbelievable. It's off the charts in this In this moment, one of the better moments of the movie as far as cinematography, as far as editing goes. We don't see what Seth is looking at. He's staring at us, we're in the room, and the look of horror on his face and we get these micro second inserts and Dave, I mean, even if you're not blinking, you you can't see like you get you know that it's you see like blood splatter and you see flesh, but you don't know what you're looking at, honestly, right, And just the calm delivery he has where he's like, what is the matter with you? And you know, and dude, Tarantino, nothing wrong with me, brother, And what is the matter with you?

24:27 Like that slow tension as it builds. It's a it's a horrific moment for the for the for the movie. But it's one of the better scenes, I think one of the better definitely one of the best acted scenes in the movie. There's so many good things in this movie, so many good things, but I think that is a pivotal moment, but before the two characters for the whole thing. And I agree, I think that's one of the best scenes of the whole movie. I'm just and you gotta wonder, like before they start the before the camera start rolling, does does Quentin Tantina just say, hey, really go for it? Lay into me? Because he when he slams him up against the wall on his hands or like smashing his face and he's like, you know, tell me you understand, and you know say you know, he's like repeat after me, Like that does not look like they're holding back at all. No, it's a it's a it's a powerful moment. Yeah, And it's the first time where you're like, you know what I'm on I'm I'm on board with Seth. I like him, And I think that's the moment where you get the inclination like, here's our hero, this guy is gonna save that.

25:25 He's a like he says at the end of the movie, I'm a son of a bitch, but I'm not. You know, I think this is the moment where we're like, this is this is the guy that's gonna save the day? Well you yeah, it sets that up and you get that a little bit follow up later in the r V when they're in the Mexico border and you know, they're holding Juliet Lowis hostage in the bathroom and obviously, uh, Richie, Richie won't shut his damn mouth up. Yeah, you know, Tarantino, you mentioned this. We did We did Psycho three last last week on our Patreon and I know one of I know, one of your one of your issues with it was that Anthony Perkins, who directed Psycho three, didn't put a lot of effort into his performance. He was maybe distracted Dave. Quentin Tarantino declined to direct that he was asked to direct this several times.

26:15 He declined, specifically so he could focus on the script and his performance as Richie. So you gotta love you know, Quentin Tantina said, Hey, there's only so many hats I can wear here. I respect that because if he had directed this movie, I don't think he could have put in the performance he did as Richie. There's no way, no way. I agree. I agree. It's been a great performances. This is the third time he is on screen with Harvey Kayitel. Harvey Kytel playing Jacob Fuller, the priest, the preacher who has lost his faith. It's it's kind of cool to see Kayitel in a role like this because he is always he's Winston wolf Man, He's he is the cool guy it is, you know, he's mister White, He's the guy that's running shit, you know, And here he's very vulnerable.

27:03 Yeah, I mean he's lost his faith, he's yeah, and he's trying to protect his kids and you know, give them some kind of memory here, which is why they're doing what they're doing. And then he runs into this. So I mean I like the character. I really do. It makes you feel and pull you into caring about him. Yeah, But as vulnerable as it is, I do appreciate the fact that he's also he gets tough when he needs to, yep, specifically with with Seth Gecko, where he's like, you know, Seth tells him the plan like you're gonna take us to Mexico, and then you're phrase like, my children are not going anywhere with you, you know, and he kind of makes us stand stands his ground. But I love the way he stands his ground when they're on the road and sets like looking through his wallet and he's kinda he's kind of jabbed at him, you know, he's he's instigating, and he's just like, you know, I think I've gotten about us up close and personal with you as I intend to. Let's keep this friendly. Popsky tells awesome and his transition from faithless preacher to hero to creature of the night. He I mean, if you're Harvey, I tell you gotta be having fun here. You're like, you're getting to play a little bit of everything in this one.

28:18 You do. One of the one of the things I love with him was when they got trapped in that room and they knew what they were going to have to do, and he basically I think he'd already been bitten, right, Yeah, he had already been bitten. He'd already been bitten, so he had he turned to his kids and told them, what, you know, promised me that you're going to kill me if I turn and then they do that half ass Yeah, I promise, sure. Shared ad. And then he was like, no, you are going to promise me that you're gonna do it. I love his son, Scott. You know you don't believe in suicide. You wouldn't do it. He's like, it's not suicide if you're already dead, even less time for you, Scott. Yep. To count to one, I'm gonna get down three. He's like, right, I'll do it. Let's talk about Catael's kids, his daughter Kate Fuller, played by the very rock and very lovely Juliette Lewis.

29:11 Yep, so she has an innocence about her. Okay, yes, but she also has the other side of that. You know, she knows when to be the loving daughter to Jacob, she knows when to be the punk ass sister to Scott. Right, yeah, but she often knows how to protect herself. You know, she knows how to protect our family. She's a very well rounded character if you really look at that, and she she's it so well. She does such an amazing job here. And I love I mean she, like you said, innocence, she's so virtuous yep. And this, and it's such a hard left from what we see her do earlier, like a year or two earlier, which she's in Natural Word Killers, Oh God, playing Mallory Knox, which is also like but I mean, I think it's between Kate and Mallory Knox's are probably my two all time favorite Juliet Lewis performances and characters, and it's her work in Natural War Killers. You know, she's she kind of because she befriends Quentin Tarantino at that time, and that kind of leads to her getting cat like. He's a big fan of her. He's like, yep, you're Kate, you know, come on it. I love her in this movie though, because she she plays you know, she's scared what she needs to be scared, but she needs to be Yeah, but there's also like this Stockholm syndrome thing that's happening to the family, the Fuller family. Right. Yeah, you want to talk about supporting players, Sure, let's do it.

30:34 Let's talk about the hardest working man on set. We gotta start with Cheech Marin. He's playing the border Guard. He's playing a character named chet Pussy, and then he's the elusive Carlos the Gangster at the end. Of his speech his advertising for the Teddy Twister there when they first arrite's just dude, I lose it every damn time you. Want to you want to break that down for us, Dave? Can you repeat, though, how I could break that down without getting really vulgar? Oh, I wouldn't ask you to do that. I don't even know if i'll I don't even know if i'll drop that that that clip right there, Like part of me wants too, but then part of me is thinking, you know, we might, we might offend some people.

31:14 But the factor goes on and on and on. It is so hysterical. As as perverse and crude as it is, it is all the more hilarious. It is like, I got you want. It's so funny. You absolutely it cracks me up. It absolutely, it absolutely cracks me up. Yep. But I mean he's playing three characters here. They never share the screen. This isn't like an Eddie Murphy thing where they're on the same they're all uh the scene in it together. But they're quick. They're quick moments. You know. Probably Chet is the one that gets the most screen time, which that makes me happy because he's character. But I kind of wonder, like, is this a situation where one person drops out and then all of a sud and it's like, you know, well, let's have let's have fun, Let's have cheach play like multiple people. Because Carlos the Gangster was Originally it was intended that Eric Strada was going to play that role, and I didn't see anything about why he didn't do it.

32:12 But no, I didn't. I didn't either, But I'm glad it worked out that way because I think it worked out to the better. If this movie, If this movie, this movie is fantastic. But if they could have used anything, they could always use more cheech Marin. I agree. That's where I'm at with it. Same one here. How about how about our buddy, uh Tom Savini, I say buddy, because we've we've we've. We've talked hung out with him a little bit and talked to him. Yeah, the machine sex machine dude. When he shows his pistol again every time he shows that off and then use of it later obviously, Yeah, the cod piece of his character there, man, and I believe. Yeah. And then his buddy, which we we'll get to, who hangs out with a sex machine. Yeah, I know, we'll talk about him too, but yeah, Thom Savini was awesome.

32:57 This dud dude. Talk about badass. Well, I'll tell you. Let's talk about badass. All the work you see him doing in the movie using the whip. Yep. So Savini is a noted uh whip master you know, or whatever you want to call it. Yeah, everything you see, that's that's all real. That's all one hundred percent real. He can use a whip. The use of the use of the whip for his character. That's actually a reference to Simon Belmont from the nineteen eighty six Nintendo game Castlevania. Ah, that's awesome. So again, I love the lawyer anytime, whether that's whether that's uh Kurtzman or whether that was Tarantino. I love little Easter eggs like that.

33:39 Yeah, yep. Savini's fantastic though. I mean he's in he's in stellar shape too. I mean when you when you watch what he's doing in this Yep, I think I think he's amazing. You want to talk about his buddy. Yeah, good old Greg Nickotaro buddy as a sex Machines buddy. Everybody who knows him knows that he has a huge history of special effects makeup, uh, and obviously is a big part of The Walking Dead, huge part. I guess, uh, you know, doing all the special effects and stuff like that for that show. But he's got a history of doing a lot of that, and he's not in it much. No, he's he's he's got he's he's got a notable moment. Yeah, because he's he's the long haired biker who gets threatened by the codpiece gun after sex Machine uses his bullep to steal his beer. You know, you know, he's he's got I think he brandishes like a switchblade or something like that. You know, Savina just looks down at his crotch and like the gun pops up. It's all right, you take the beer. It's it's only pists warm chango. Anyway, got to talk about Danny Treo playing Razor Charlie the Bartender.

34:48 Danny Treo is awesome and everything that man does he is amazing. He is. You know, I love I love how just how how polite he is. At the beginning when he like clon, he's like, you know, a round of shots and he pours one and drinks it himself, and he's just he just wags his fingers like you can't be here, yeah, like you will here, Yeah, this is this is food, you know. But he's like, they have a certain client tele that thereafter, so that when people go missing, the one who will go looking for him. And he's like, yeah, exactly, I see I see people, I see kids, but yeah, you can't be here. And there's where Jack Jacob comes to the rescue again. Yeah, oh Jacob, you say this is for truckers. Yeah, he's got his RV license or whatever. He's fantastic man trail, like the face off, like when when Traio vamps out, he's got you know, he's flexing his traps and you know he's he's got the fight with sex Machine. I love that moment. That's such a fun, over the top battle as far as I'm concerned.

35:47 Wasn't his character named Razor Charlie Razor Charlie. Yeah, which, and Jeff, you and I are going to get to meet him. Yeah, you're absolutely right. We're going to be talking to him what December? Yeah, I think yeah, yeah. I definitely actually I want to talk to him. I don't know how much he'll be allowed to say, but i'd love to talk to him about Tim Travers. Oh yeah, the Steps of Seed. You know, we had him on the show last season. We talked about you know, they were they were filming it at that point and Treos in it, so you know, maybe he'll maybe he'll give us a little tidbit, you know, a little exclusive. Don't forget. We kind of had that the first introduction of Danny Trejo, who we just recently talked about The Hidden. Remember that's right, we were talking about.

36:27 Trayo was hit. I remember that Treia was hidden in The Hidden, That's right. Fred Williamson playing Frost, Oh yes, I'll tell you. I love his character. But there's I think it's kind of a weird choice when he kind of goes off on a tangent about that Vietnam story. I know that we need to be distracted so Tom Savini can vamp out. Of course we do. Yeah, but it's just it's a it's. A weird choice, man, where because he kind of he kind of gets a thousand yards stare and he just starts talking about how he's wiping out a whole platoon Viet Calm. And his vampire effects were creepy. Oh he was he's got some of the creepiest vampire effects. His face is almost like predator. Yeah, I gotta. I gotta wonder though, if you're frost like, is the titty Twister or the best place to smoke cigars and stack dominoes?

37:12 Like he he seems like he wants like a speakeas he's like someplace to just relax and and there. You could never get set up. You know, if if Samahayak is stepping over my table, would still let heels. You can step over my dominoes, She'll step on your dominoes. Uh, saving talking about supporting players, saving the best for last. I gotta, I gotta be honest. Satanical Pandemonium, What a cool name. That character name is a reference to the nineteen seventy five nonsploitation horror film also called Satanico Pandemonium.

37:55 Nice and the fact that I just used the phrase unxploitation horror film somebody. I never thought I'd say, listen, I'll tell you right now. As soon as I found that out, I was like, we gotta find this movie. Yeah we do, we need to watch it. Yeah we Oh yeah, here's here comes the follow up. The from Dustill. Now we're gonna be We're gonna do an episode on none splitation horror film Satanaco Pandemonium. I like it, Dave, this is peak samahayak Oh with adult I mean now, I don't know if you've seen her recently, she only gets hotter. There's some kind of supernatural thing happening here. She she's she's like the Smoke Show of smoke shows. As far as she's earned, she is a beautiful lady.

38:37 But here man she reads the script mm hm. And because she is terrified of snakes, just like Indiana Jones and David Burns's true, she doesn't she doesn't think she's gonna do it. And Rodriguez, he kind of leads her to believe that Madonna is hoping to get cast in the park. So she goes to a therapist for two months to overcome her fear of handling the Burmese python that she's got. So here's the funny things. Sorry, here's the funny thing. Jeff, I did not know that detail about her being afraid of snakes. So when I watched this again, when the snake came around her face for the first time, you can see her face a reaction like oh.

39:22 Crap, Yeah she holds together. She does, but right then and there like she must be afraid of snakes. So when I went and looked at the holy crap she is, well, she's. Just starting her dance and the thing slithers up like between her cleavage and then goes like like like rubs right across her cheek and goes up into her hair. And she's got to look like she does yeah, like, oh crap, Yeah, what are you gonna do that dance? You know, maybe set there for two months, maybe maybe you. Can and if you mean not, pay can't. I'm sure that dance is one hundred percent improvised by Samahayak, and Rodriguez's only direction was fal the music and moved to it. Boy. Yeah, it's one of the greatest dance like you know, like sexy dance scenes in a in a movie. And I'll be honest with you, like she I know, I've read where she said, Hey she was she was she was relieved she didn't have to do it nude. Yeah, she's like the she's the star attraction of a strip club.

40:27 You don't need her to take it off, No, you don't. It is mega watt hot ye regardless, And. I can tell you right now, I will happily drink beer off her foot. Let's let's think about this. We're improvising the dance. Yeah, you know, Quentin Tarantino is that he's he's he's no, there's been a lot of talking about her. He kind of has a thing for feet. He's got a fetish at that, there's no doubt. Yeah, well, Sam a Hyak's gonna jammer her foot into your mouth, and it's it's soaked in tequila. I'm not into that kind of stuff, but I can be. Yeah. Sure, I like to quila. And I like, let's do it. Yeah, all right, I'll tell you what. Let's let's we got we got some cameos here, uh, cameos before they were famous. I'm gonna there's something new at you. Okay, I'm gonna add it after they were famous. All right, So let's you know, I know, and you you already mentioned Greg nicotiro yep, the lovely Kelly Preston is the newscaster Kelly Hoague. This is like a like another two minute scene. You're not It's like you're watching it on TV.

41:33 Plus you see it like for a split second, like in real time. Yep. Do you know how she got this this this role? No. So. Originally, when Quentin Tarantino is looking to cast this movie before it comes out, he meets with John Travolta, who was one of his idols growing up. He tells John Travolta, I've got two movies for you that you're perfect for. I got a vampire movie where you're the lead. You're You're is Seth Gecko. I've got another movie where you're not the lead, but you're it's a pretty you're a hitman called Vincent Vega. Travolta is looking at pulp Fiction and From Dust Till Dawn in front of him, and he says, I'm not doing vampire movies. That doesn't interest me, which was a good that's a good call for him, because remember he wins the Academy Award for Us he does pulp fiction.

42:19 Yep. Meanwhile, his wife Kelly Preston is there and Quentin's like, oh, you know what you'd be cool for the newscaster, well, name of Kelly, and she she takes the role. It's a little, little small cameo, but she does it just because they're friendly I don't know how you get John Saxon in a thirty second cameo playing the FBI agent that she's talking. To barely in this movie, barely in it. Yeah. When I first all said, holy crab, John Saxon, I always remembering how it was Lieutenant Thompson from Nightman m Street. But well, and he's never coming back in this movie. Like, no, you get one little little little shot of him. Yeah, you know he's fat, he is, he's he's Nancy's dad from a Nightmare on UM Street. But I always remember him from Enter the Dragon. Oh absolutely, I love him The Dragon. Yeah, all right, I almost I had to hear his voice to to know who he was because I know him now. But then I was like, wow, look how young he is. John Hawks playing Pete Bottoms, the clerk at the Benny's Wordal Liquor.

43:19 Yep. You know, at this point in his career he's doing good work as a as a that guy, and he's several years away from his star making performance and winners, but where he's winning all those awards because now he's John Hawks. But you watch this this role and it's like, wow, look at him mm hmm. Which you know, it's kind of funny, Like I know, I know, Uh, they wanted Beshemi, Steve Ashemi to play the role, but he wasn't. Oh he would have been great in it. He would have I'll tell you, yeah, I'll tell you that the person I wish we had more of in this movie. Mm hmm, Michael Parks is the Texas Ranger Earl McGraw. Yeah. And it's funny because now, like this movie comes out before Kill Bill and uh, Planet Terror, but now you have to see this as taking place after those two movies because he's in those movies. They Tarantino and Rodriguez love this guy so much, Michael Parks that they're like, we got to have more of him. Let's and we love the character. Let's just keep Earl mcgrawl coming back.

44:16 I think it's fantastic. I need to his dialogue. Man, it's it's some of the best in this movie. That man, Yeah, it is, it is. Yeah. It was sad to see Michael Parks get shot. I did not like that, you know. No, and the way he went down that the whole scene was really well done though. Come on, yeah, but you think, what's that go? It's like it goes almost like thirteen minutes, fifteen minutes something like that. Yeah, you don't think about tension building until he goes to use the bathroom, and then Seth Geko walks up said, what are you doing? You let him use the bathroom, you know, and then you're like, oh, wait, we're in the middle of a situation here. And that's a really cool then too, dude, because when it opens up, you get the slow opening, you get this long drawl of dialogue. You don't even know the two main characters are already in. They're waiting and what's going on, you know, until they you see about the news, you know, the bank robbers and stuff like that. But they' already there in the store. That's so cool.

45:10 I gotta tell you. There's a there's a great audio commentary that Rodriguez and Tarantino does. They initially did it for the Laser disc and they just have kind of added it onto the DV the DVD collector's editions and the Blu rays that kind of thing. But they're talking they have I mean, they have such revere the reverer for this guy, and they're talking about his performance, and they just wanted to let him go. He just kept going and they just were fascinated by his by his uh, his his delivery. Yeah, he's he's amazing. Yeah for sure. You had mentioned nikotiro m h. Howard Berger the B in K and B effects group. Mm hm, that's the He's the trucker vampire that bites sex machine.

45:56 Yeah, you know, so. Another think about it. You're you're on the set, You're you're doing all this USh effects. You need all these extras to play vampires. Just jump in, have a good time. To use your crew as absolutely the best way to do it. All right, I got two more. This one's an easy one. I don't think we've ever talked about a cameo by a non living person, but we have a special shout out to uh big Kahuna Burgers. Oh yeah, when Seth walked in with those burgers, you saw the logo eating Bighna Burgers. That's awesome. Yep. I love. I love the fact that these movies are loosely connected, you know, and the roer Riguez Quentin Tarantino shared universe, if if. You will, it's like the Stephen King world where like a lot of his movies take place in the same world. Yeah, so does this? This is so cool.

46:41 I think it's fantastic. I'm gonna leave you with one more. I told you that I had a and after they were famous, Okay, which is a weird way of saying it, because you know your famous, you're famous. But uh, what can you tell me about Mark Lawrence? Mark Lawrence does that ring a bell? Does not ring a bell? Jeff, and he is playing but well, you're I'm gonna blow your mind. I think he is playing the elderly motel owner otherwise known as mean old bastard. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, you know, okay, I was just doing you know, I'm doing. I'm doing my homework like you are. We want to we want to brush up so we can talk about this film. And I see his name pop up. I'm like, why is that? What's what's what's what's what's what's the point about Mark Lawrence? Dave This Guy is a veteran character actor known for playing countless henchman, gangsters, and criminal underworld types in a career spanning from the mid nineteen thirties up to two thousand and three.

47:40 Wow, what a career, Dave. You loved this guy in films like Marathon Man and foul Play. He played Stiltskin play. Okay, okay, oh yeah we. Marathon Man, foul Play we covered that on a film. We would cover both those on a film. Buy He took on two different bond actors because he was in Diamond Are Forever and The Man with the Golden Gun. Oh wow. And here's where you're gonna get excited for you and for all the Star Trek fans listening. He played Volnoth in The Star Trek the Next Generation episode The Vengeance Factor back in nineteen eighty nine. And then he also played a character named mister Zmo in The Star Trek Deep Space nine episode Bata Bang Bought a Bang in nineteen ninety. Yeah, you got some you got some Trek.

48:29 Some Trek crossover here happened on nineteen ninety six. Everything comes back to Trek. Everything, Everything comes back to Star Trek, it does. Please check out our smash hit podcast Phaser Set the Stun on mids Days. Yeah, Dave, let's for the Star Trek fans that are listening and just now finding out that we have a Star Trek podcast. While they're taking a minute to look that up. Let's take one last break, and when we come back going to be time for keeping it real. Welcome back, David and I have been discussing from dusk till dawn. Dave, It's time to keep it real. H Three questions that we always ask on nineteen ninety six. Let's start with my favorite. One of our favorite actors. Billy Zopka was dominating Dojo's high school cafeterias and college swimming pools in some of the best movies in the nineteen eighties. Then he's notably absent from Hollywood for most of the nineties. My question is what about zob Dave replaced one actor from this film with William Zopka Richard Gecko. Richard Geko? You yeah, Zopka as Richie? Yeah?

49:51 Wow? I really think can't pull it off? Absolutely, I don't know he listened. Zopka is known for playing heroes in my in my. Book is he. Could he play? Could he play a scumback like Richie Gecko? I don't know? Oh yeah, come on, come on, Jeff, let your love go a little bit and see the side that he could play a bad guy? Yes. Wow. Here's the thing, though, Zopka is a good looking cat Man. If he puts the moves on Juliet Lewis, She's probably gonna be like, Yeah, I'm gonna She's gonna fall for it. Uh she she she will ask the fantasy question in real life. Probably we have a whole different movie than listen.

50:34 I you know, you know, I'm a big fan of William Soka. I'm actually gonna give him a little bit of a break in this one, Okay, I'm gonna give him more of a cameo. I see him playing Pete the clerk at Benny's Word Liquor, Okay, and I almost feel like there's a there. Maybe there's a moment where in the in the midst of the chaos, where they're firing at each other. Give me just one moment where there's like a two guys run out a bullet scene and he gives like a nice swift kick to Richie's face, you know something. And then and then Seth you know, comes in and saves the day. I don't know. I think he would have had fun. I would have loved to see William Zakka talking with Michael Parks. I like it sequel, prequel, remake, Dave, if you had control of this ip, What would be your pitch to this studio to revive it?

51:26 So I know they've done a sequel. I know they've done a prequel. So what I would like to do is I want to make a series on either HBO, Max or Netflix where I can expand on characters and obviously get away with a lot more because I can be on those streaming services to make it adult where it needs to be. That's what I would want to do. I will tell you, I don't know if I'm gonna make you happier, break your heart, but if I'm not mistake, I don't know. I'm pretty sure they did three seasons. They did a from Dusk till Donal did day series. Yeah, and they fleshed out all the characters. So I think it's on Netflix. I've never seen it. We'll have to look at it.

52:07 But I knew it should have been one, but it already is one. So there you go. I'm gonna go a different way, Okay. Given that this movie evolved into direct to video horror franch Given that this movie evolved into a direct to video horror franchise, because it was like I think there was like two sequels. Maybe three before the TV series, because I know there's like Texas blood Money, there's the Hangman's Daughter. I'll tell you what. I'm wanting a legacy sequel though, Okay, starring Juliette Lewis, who's still out there in Mexico slaying vampires. They think of her as having a feared reputation, kind of similar to Ben Derris and Desperado, where the vampire Din. Yeah, so imagine like the vampire Din's kind of questioned whether she's real or she's a legend.

53:00 I'm gonna call it from Dusk till Dawn a sacina de vampidos, which is Spanish for vampire killer. Oh, okay, I like to have a cool you gotta have a cool catch title. Yeah, I really like that a lot. I we all get behind that, Jeff. Yeah, and you know we didn't get a chance to talk with her, but you saw her, you know, we were We saw her at Still Citycon. She put her in an action movie. She's ready, she was Oh, she was shredded. She looked, she looked amazing. Yep. I could totally see her, you know, running around killing vampires. Absolutely, I'd love it. Yep. Dave DVD extras. In nineteen ninety six the DVD.

53:42 The DVD format is initially introduced to US markets. We love these compact discs, the high definition, you know, the great sound. We're tossing our VHS tapes out, which we shouldn't have done. No. Yeah, But for centophiles like us, exclusive special features were always French and Spanish subtitles, scene selection, production notes. They just no frills. What DVD extra would you want on your DVD for this film? And I'll give you some choices. Here. You get an end character audio commentary, You can have a making of documentary or the ever growing popular Amber Lewis Actors roundtable.

54:26 So here's what I would want, Jeff, I want a making of documentary, but doing it into the style of the modern crime documentary, be where we cut to like interviewing police and showing like reenactments of scenes on what happened. However, this one would be like an unsolved mystery episode as we opened with the bank robbery, discussioning the two main robbers family their past, and followed their crimes pretty into escaping to Mexico. But there was much more. They just disappeared. We don't know what happened to them. We don't. Yeah. Oh okay, So you're talking like a faux documentary, correct, yep. Oh, I would love that because, like you were talking documentary. And here's the thing, Like the Collector's Edition DVD that I've got has a full tilt bookie and it's like a hour and a half long. It's like feature length long documentary on the making of this movie. And anyone that's a fan of From Dust till Dawn, I highly recommend it because you get to hear everything. Yeah, and you know, like I said, I mentioned that there's a really great audio commentary. So for me, while I love your faux documentary, uh, I'm gonna go with the Amber Lewis Actors round Table and Dave, I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna pull up three of the film stars that you can currently check out on the convention circuit right now.

55:38 So I'm gonna I'm gonna ask Tom Savini, Juliet Lewis, and Danny Treo to do the actor's round table. Oh nice, Okay, that's my that's my pick. Here, got to ask you film's legacy, let's talk about it has this Uh, let's let's talk about how this movie is aged over over time. Would you say this is a classic, a cult classic, or just a product of its time. There's no doubt at the it's it's I'm gonna say it's a cult classic. At this point, it's a cult classic. Dude. Absolutely, Yep, yeah, that quite absolutely. So let me ask you this, Uh, let's talk about how this film impacted pop culture if at all. Do you know you have any thought? I got some thoughts here, but I want to I want to see what you think. So. I know, when we talked about Scream, we talked about the audience, you know, getting smarter, and I think this movie kind of fits that mole too, Jeff. You know, the vampire genre had been done a lot, and even though they have the same cliches in this film, it is done in a way that still shocks and makes an audience laugh. It kind of brings that together, you know.

56:37 And again I will talk about this is a tale of two stories. You know, we get that first portion of the film where we have a typical Quentin Tarantino film bank robbers trying to get away. We get the usual long dialogue scenes, but then we try we get that the destination film that literally flips the script, you know, and this is again in a time in nineties when the audience has gotten smarter and you need to chant change that script. You got to change that formula. And it's exactly what Quentin Tarantino did here. We had Quentin Tarantina films up to this point. We knew what he could do. He's a fantastic writer, fantastic director, and we kind of didn't expect to see this and this is what we got. And I think that's what took it by storm.

57:18 I think you're definitely onto something there because he has established himself as like the action packed crime movie guy, right with the reservoir Dogs in pulp fiction, and then out of out of the blue, he's hitting us with this over the top, campy vampire horror film and it works. Man, it works, yep. I think, you know, in addition to several sequels and a TV series from Dustill Down benefited from a merchandising boom. Let me think about that. Everywhere you looked T shirts, action figures nowadays, you can there's Funko pops, there's a video game, and you know, you kind of you kind of briefly mentioned this when we when we started this at the top of the hour.

58:02 It's one of the more quotable films of the nineties. HM so so much. In fact, I was pleasantly surprised to realize I've been paraphrasing a quote of this thing for you know, past almost you know, three decades, right, And sometimes I I, you know, I say something and I'm like, oh, that's that was some cool shit, or someone says, oh, I love you know, you know, shame on me, because like I, that was seth geckout. You know what is Isn't it not strange? Though we get two horror franchises that both come out in ninety six, that both do something completely different that was needed in the horror genre. Isn't that crazy? It's it's a it's it's a coincidental thing. But it's also it's a it's an amazing thing. Because you know, when you talk about what's what what what's the best year for for cinema in nineteen ninety in the nineteen nineties, I don't have that answer. I honestly don't, you know, but just just based off of what we've been talking about, you know, because I can think of somebody like ninety four is a stellar year. Ninety nine was an amazing year, but ninety six did like it did some real service or for Hollywood in general. It brought back the slasher film, it brought back the vampire film. It made it made bad guys cool like it was. It was cool to like the bad guy in nineteen ninety six. So we have we have from Dustill down to thank for that.

59:21 We do well. I'll tell you something. We want to thank all of you out there listening to today's nineteen ninety six episode. We are fast approaching the completion of this limited series. I think we only have a handful left, Dave, And if we haven't covered your favorite from nineteen ninety six, there's still just a little bit of time because you know, scheduling, you know, gotta get these things locked up. But there's a little bit of time for you to still hit us up on social media or email us and share your requests. You can do that at a film by podcast dot com or find us on Facebook, Instagram, and x yep. Ah, Yeah, I'm kind of sad, like, uh, you're just now showing up for nineteen ninety six and I know, right, you know, and and just like that you're gone. Uh but but you're you're always here. What do you What's what's coming up next for you?

1:00:14 Well, Jeff, but I know a film by We've got What Lies Beneath coming up? Oh that's next Tuesday, isn't it. That is next Tuesday? Okay, Yeah, that was the Mecas film, which I know you and I did together and can't wait for the listeners to check that out. It is. And then a film at forty five, uh, is going to be visiting a very horror classic known as Fantasm. That's right, And we're gonna so yeah, wedding to scare Fest. Yeah. As I said, we're on our way. So yeah, we're gonna see and get to speak with the director of Fantasm, and that of course is Don cos CORRELLI.

1:00:55 I think it's gonna be it's and listen listen these cons, like for for anyone that hasn't listened to one of our comment episodes, if you've ever if you've never been to a con, I mean it's a it's a blast, right, I mean, aside from just meeting celebrities and seeing all the all the vendors, and all the cool Hollywood memorabilia and the comic books and everything like that. What I am loving is that a lot of these conventions are now starting to book some of our favorite directors. Yep. And you and I have already talked with some of some some amazing directors at some of these things, yep. And the fact that we're going to be standing there with Don cous CORRELLI. This is the guy that did Fantasm, this is the guy that did beast Master, the guy that did Bubba Ho tap Man.

1:01:37 Yep, yep. I'm excited. I'm excited to talk with him, and I'm excited to see what he has to say for you guys doing Fantasm next. And you know another thing I want touch on too. On one of these conventions, you are surrounded by thousands of people who have the same love as you. And that's films, and that's something special. It is a great thing to check out if you have not done so. But Dave, I know Scott and Wayne are waiting for or so, uh, all right, ramblers, let's get rambling. Ever think a thought on one now?

1:02:24 I'm I'm