1996: Independence Day

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1:30 We're going to live on. We're going to survive. Today we celebrate our Independence Day. Okay, what's up, everybody. I'm Jeff Johnson from a Film By podcast, and I am hoping you're down for our latest dope new series. We've broken down the fresh films of nineteen eighty six, we examined the gritty cinemascape of nineteen seventy six, and now it's time to check out the Hella good Flicks of nineteen ninety six. I am so happy to have my good buddy, Jason Colvin. He's back. Thanks for having me on.

2:25 Man, I'm so excited to do this one. Yeah, you and I have been talking off air about this for a couple of weeks now, and I let you in on a secret that when I saw this in the theater I had kind of a bad attitude about it, and so this is a second time watch for me. I have been just dying to know how this is going to go for you, because I was, honestly, I was kind of shocked because over on the show you can't be serious podcast. You and d You're always doing these awesome matchups, and it's always these awesome movies or albums from the eighties from the nineties, and this is a this is a big one for the nineties. So when you said that, I was like, I can't wait to hear what he's gonna have to say.

3:12 So Jason, I hope. You've got your victory dance ready. It's time to kick the tires and light the fires. For the top grossing film of nineteen ninety six, Independence Day. This summer plan, You'll get away early. Please leave these cities in a quarterly fashion. Beat the summer traffic, nice driving times, and whatever you do, don't look up Comedy Earth Independence Day rated pg. Thirteen. When a strange phenomenon enters the Earth's atmosphere, global curiosity give way to terror when the skyes at night, destroying major cities around the world. The invading Aliens mission total annihilation of the human race over the Fourth of July weekend. Our last hope to stop the destruction is an unlikely group of people united by fate and unimaginable circumstance. Jason. Before we even jump into some of the segments that we like to do on nineteen ninety six, let's hear it. How does the Second Chance watch? How'd this hold up for you? Okay, so forty years later, here's the thing.

4:32 Here's the thing. I don't like to be browbeaten. And in the summer of nineteen ninety six, I had all my friends browbeating me about how awesome this movie was. I needed, what's taking you so long? Get to the movie theater, you know, And and so I felt I felt pressured into liking this movie. And when I feel pressured, I'm just like, hey, everybody, back off. Okay, it's not that great. Come on, guys, this is you know, this is not a Blade Runner, you know. Uh, but after the rewatch, it does have some wartz and it is a little bit corny, but it is a lot of fun. And this is a movie that I would give my right arm if this was in the movie theater today, because there is nothing for me in the movie theater right now. And I would die to have a movie like this in the theater. You know. You mentioned it's corny, but it's also just and special effects extravaganza and could I mean, you're right, I would give anything to have a movie this fun in the theaters. We had, and we had it last you know, last summer. We had some good stuff. I'm hopeful for this summer with some of the movies coming out, but you're absolutely right, they just don't make them like this anymore.

5:43 I loved, I mean, we can get into it, and you know, the special effects this is this is before CGI took over everything, and so you have this combination of sort of you know, I think you have some projector use. I think you've got miniatures. I know you've got great miniature use, and then some CGI. It's a little bit old school. It's it's right at that moment in time when special effects were changing, and the effects shots are money shots. Man a white house, all right, Gosh, I would say, pound for pound, the explosion of the White House probably one of the greatest special effects scenes of all time. I agree, it's an iconic shot. Yeah. Let's speaking of iconic, let's talk about nineties culture, specifically nineties culture and how it influenced this film.

6:35 Now, I picked up on a couple of things watching it this time around, and I want to see what you know. I want to see if you had any any other ones that I that I missed. But you know, clearly this is nineteen ninety six, so this is the dawn of the Internet. But I love that pagers are still a very important aspect of people's communication. You've got the Apple Power Book fifty three hundred laptop that David's using Jeff Goblum's character, right, and you got Mary Hart on Entertainment Tonight talking about the Party of the Century, and then you've got you got the McLoughlin group. You know, President Whitmore is watching his uh you know, the John McLoughlin tearing and tearing him down. Yeah, that's true. I think I always love when, uh, when real TV shows are real celebrities lind their lind their their their character. If you will, to movies. You know this movie, like, yeah, it's it's corny, it's a little campy. But watching watching President Whitmore wake up and turn on the TV and there's there's a you know, John McLoughlin tearing him down, It just it gives the movie a sense of realism. And I think I'm with you.

7:46 You're totally right about how we used to. We'd wake up, we turn on the TV while we're getting dressed to see what's happening in the world. You know, we'd read the newspaper, you know, and that that all has changed. We now it's social media or it's you know, text whatever. But the fact that the president gets up, he's making some coffee, he's talking to his advisor, or what's happening in the world. He has no idea. You know, film me only you. Yeah so' let's fill the listeners in about the film's box office and critical response. It's the fastest film to hit two hundred million dollars in like less than twenty one days. It holds this record for three years. You know what, you know, it took it out. We've discussed, Yeah, you and I have discussed it recently. It's got to be Phantom Menace, right, It's the Phantom Menace. The Phantom Menace took the crown. You know, one movie about aliens taking it from another about aliens. As I said, it's yeah, as I said, it's the highest grossing film of nineteen ninety six, a combined worldwide total of eight hundred and seventeen point four million dollars at the box office. Now, we live at a time right now where if a movie doesn't do a billion dollars, it's not a smash success. Right, But you gotta think this is eight hundred and seventeen point four million dollars thirty years ago, so imagine what that is today. That's blowing the doors off of everything. Yes, this was the movie event of that summer. It's huge

9:16 and like you said, iconic special effects, summer fun, you know, something for everybody. I don't think there was a single there's no sex in this movie. Nope. There's a little bit of profanity, but if you're bringing the kids to the movie theater, you can cover their ears a couple of times and you're the whole family can have a great time watching this, you know, yeah, I mean and truthfully, like the you know, language, I think it's nothing. It's nothing as harsh as you wouldn't hear on like on cable right now, like like a right prime time you know, it's not you know, there's no f bombs, there's no there's there's no breasts exposed. I mean even you know, we'll get it, we'll get to it later. But you know, we have a character in this that's that is a stripper, and I think she's wearing more than what you'd see you were at the public pool nowadays. So that's right, that's right.

10:05 Critics collectively called out weak character development and stereotypical characters, but they all agreed that this is a thrilling, spectacle filled summer movie that delivers. And I think I saw this probably three or four times when it came out in the summer ninety six. I probably would have saw it more, but you know, this is the summer of Mission Impossible Twister. I mean, we were just getting inundated with blockbuster action movies. Summer ninety six was a pretty pretty darn good summer at the movies. It was a rock and summer man, no doubt about it. I I, well, I don't want to get into my opinion too quickly, so okay, let's keep going. Well, yeah, all right, well yeah, so this film, when we talk about how this came to be, I love this. I love this story because it kind of gives me a George Lucas Spielberg of vibe. But while promoting Stargate in Europe, a reporter cited Roland Emericks non belief in aliens, saying, you know, how do you make a movie like Stargate?

11:11 You don't You don't even believe aliens exist, And he responded saying that he was still fascinated by the idea of aliens arriving, and then he kind of threw it back to the reporter and said, hey, just imagine what it would be like to wake up one morning and discover an alien presence hovering above us and how we would all react to that. And right then he turned to his buddy Dean Devlin and said, quote, I think I have an idea for our next film. I mean providential, right, yeah, I mean you know. And the irony is they're probably sitting there like, look, how are we going to follow up Stargate? What are we going to do? And then one weird or dumb question from a reporter you don't believe in aliens? What are you doing that sparks the biggest movie of nineteen ninety six. I love it when that happens. And creative people and they hear good ideas, you know, jot it down, take it straight to the straight to the theaters, and make a ton of money on it. You know. Oh, they're printing money with this one. Something I don't think gets discussed a lot about ID four because we're gonna talk. We always talk about the characters, the memorable characters. We always talk about the special effects.

12:22 We don't talk about the music that much. And composer David Arnold, you gotta remember he won a Grammy for Independence Day. I mean that's really yeah, And and I said, David Arnold and you didn't immediately like go, oh yeah, you know I know that guy, right, but you gotta remember something. So he did compose the scores for a Stargate and Godzilla. You know, he's an emorate guy. Okay, but he's also a lifetime Bond fan, which is why he has done three Brosden era Bond films and two Daniel Craig Bond film Really, okay, that's good. Yeah, he uh yeah he uh. He did a Tomorrow Never Dies The World Is Not Enough Die. Another day, he did Casino Reale. He did Quantum of Solace. So that is a that is a lineup of terrible bat Bond movies except one. Okay. I was like, I was like, what away, Casino Real isn't there? Na Royel is the is the diamond in the rough there? Okay, So all right, David Arnold there. Yeah, David Arnold underrated, But uh, I just I just wanted to point him out because you know, I do think the score is pretty cool.

13:37 It's got that booming feel to it, right, It's it's to me, it's a little bit over the top. It's a little syrupy. I think that it would have been cool to have a little bit more rock and roll soundtrack to this one, because there's a lot of top Gun ish that you see on the screen. Yeah, I don't know what you're dropping in in nineteen ninety six, but you drop in a couple of hits so it doesn't happen. Like think about Top Gun Maverick. You had the entire score and you had uh two twos, you know. Yeah, I think you're right because we we get that one classic rock instrumental when when Russell is you know, he's hung over, he's heading into the cafe. Yeah, you've heard it. You've heard it in a couple movies like it's I always remember it in pulp fiction when they go to, uh the restaurant. You know, I don't know if you could hear it, Like, okay, let me let me play a Sleepwalkers. Are you not Sleepwalkers? You know that one is like down down down, Yeah, that one. Okay, I don't know what it's called. Ok it's not the sleep not the Sleepwalkers. La Bamba slow slow one. This one's more of got like a twang to it, kind of kind of like a green onions feel to it. Okay, Okay, Like Booker t you know the one I'm talking about now kind of yeah, yeah, I think I mean in ninety six, you know you

15:07 drop in maybe maybe you have a love song for for Captain, you know, Hiller, Captain Hiller and uh and Jasmine and Jasmine, Yeah, Jasmine song someone something something a little you know, you drop in a hit song, a little love song. You know, I'm thinking collective soul. You know, maybe you have a rock song from Stone Temble Pilots in there somewhere you rock it up a little good. I mean, you're if you're talking nineteen ninety six, you're talking Dave Matthews. You know you could be talking about hooting the Blowfish Bush Oasis, about no doubt, oh for sure, think about you know yeah I think you know you could the Wallflowers probably.

15:52 Yeah, all right, you got me, uh, you got me thinking, like now, I kind of want to I want to do like a hit the hit motion picture soundtrack to this, drop in the Wallflowers, one headlight somehow. Yeah, and you raised the cool level of this movie, and you have a hit song, and you've got a video for m t V. We're there, okay, You're I could I could see I could see the wheel Spin and you're you're you're you're building the Colvin cut, which I know, I know we're not gonna do, but uh, we got something different. Uh, so we're gonna talk about this cast. Yeah, and you you you sent me this message. You said, hey, I've I've got several recasting uh suggestions here to which I thought, Okay, I can think of two, maybe three. So I'm anxious to see this.

16:41 But do we wanna we want to go through the players here first and then do Yeah, we're gonna yeah, okay, then we're gonna do what I'm gonna call the Colvin cast. If we're not gonna do the Colvin cut, but we're gonna do the Colvin cast. So I'm ready, all right. So and well, you know, there's a lot of people to talk about, so we'll we'll try and move a little faster than what we normally do. But uh will Smith Captain Stephen Hiller. This is the role that was offered on a silver platter to Ethan Hawk, and he turned it down because he said the script was terrible. I mean, I mean, ethan Hawk has done pretty well for himself over the past thirty years, but you got to think like maybe like by the fall of nineteen ninety six, Ethan Hawk's going terrible decision. I have made a big mistake clearly this role. I'm gonna say, well, I don't want to get into all of it, but Will Smith is an upgrade from Ethan Hawk without a doubt, and I love Ethan without a doubt. Yeah, Ethan Hawk's fantastic. But I mean, this is nineteen ninety six. This is Will This is Will Smith at the height of his popularity. You know, he's coming off a fresh Prince of bel Air. I think he had done Bad Boys already at this time.

17:48 Yep, so he's already showing like, hey, I can be Will Smith the action hero. This movie confirms it though, right, this is pre slab Will Smith, when he was cool and funny and lovable, lovable, and I mean he looks great. You know, he transformed himself from you know, when he was in DJ Jazz Jeff and the Fresh Prince. I thought, he's he's kind of a goofball. He's kind of he's kind of a lightweight, you know, funny, but he muscles up and he becomes an action star. He's an action star, and I love that. The comedy that he chooses to do. For me, it works like the fact that the first contact with an alien is Will Smith punching it in the face Welcome to Earth, you know, and then he's dragging it through the desert and he's arguing with it. You know, the thing's unconscious. That scene works for me. It's fun like it's like, Okay, I'm laughing at Will Smith, but I'm also being thrilled by Will Smith because he he's a he's a fighter pilot. He is he is jacked, he's cool.

18:57 Yeah, what's that stuff? Oh man, you could not you could not have casted that role better. I'm gonna say the same thing for Bill Pullman as President, Thomas J. Whitmore. To take something that you do on the show You Can't Be Serious podcast, I'm gonna steal it from you. I'm gonna go ahead and spike the football Bill Pullman best movie President. WHOA, Okay, there's there. I mean, there is some legendary guys and get out of the way, Michael step Aside. I get it. But the speech that he gives to rile up the troops, you know, what are we talking? Gettysburg address? You know, mister tear down that wall.

19:56 Kennedy, you know, asked not what your country it's and then it's and then it's it's whitmore. Wow. You know, one of the best presidential speeches I've ever heard. I look forward to this time of year every year just so we could play it and talk about it. He's my number one draft pick for recasting. WHOA Okay, Okay, we're put we'll put a pin of it. We're gonna get to him. Okay, all right, sounds I hope, I hope you're not gonna try and recast David Levinson because Jeff Goldbloom is just gold blooming all over this movie. We love him as the the sexy nerdy scientist and this is awesome. He's awesome, right, I love Jeff. Jeff Goldbloom went through a period of years in the nineties where he went from kind of quirky nerd to nerd muscle jack yep, and he had some quirky coolness. I mean, he's always had that quirky coolness. But he looks like a stud in this movie. Yeah, he's he's the Hey, let's save the environment. I'm gonna messing with the satellites.

21:08 He's a stud though. You know, I mean, I think this is a really cool moment because you would think that the character playing second fiddle to Will Smith has to be more of a a sidekick character. You know, think of Martin Lawrence and the Bad Boys franchise. Right, He's clearly not the cool one, he's not the sexy one. But Goldbloom is is taking as much as the camera as Will Smith is, as far as I'm concerned. Yeah, you know, the movie that most closely resembles what they're what I think they're trying to do in this cast is Jurassic Park. Yeah. He's doctor Ian Malcolm. Right, He's Ian Malcolm. And you've got you know, you have Sam Neil's character as kind of the main guy, the Will Smith guy in Jurassic Park. Yeah, and they just plug Jeff Goblum right into that one. Bee. Yeah, you know, Jeff Golbloom.

22:00 You're thinking, I'm thinking Seth Brundle, inventor of the telepods, doctor Ian Malcolm. Yep, you know, David Levitson, is Jeff Goldblum the answer, Like, when you need a nerdy but sexy scientist, you have to go Jeff goblum. Right, he's your number one draft pick. Yes, he's number one draft pick. I'll tell you my number number one draft pick is when it comes to the First Ladies, Our Gal Mary McDonald Love Mary McDonald stands with a fist. Yeah, she's she's playing First Lady Marilyn Whitmore. I think the only problem that I have is that we just didn't get enough performing did We didn't get enough screen time with her. I wanted more scenes with her. They kind of kill her off early, really early, right. I know we need to, It's it's important to the story.

22:48 But I just feel like Mary McDonald deserves more than just a couple of phone call scenes with with with Bill Pullman. And I know she has some she has some nice moments with with VIVK Fox, you know, but I just wanted to see more Mary McDonald in this movie. I think you could have held I think you could have held onto her till the third act. I totally agree. I mean, she should have been standing there, you know, you know, warlorn and you know, looking a little dirty at the end of the movie, and but victorious. I don't think she had to die and now, well I have to die I should have been more emotional moment. I think you're right, and I hate that I'm doing this, but it's just I don't have a choice, because you know, talking to you just it inspires me some. I'm covin cutting a little bit.

23:32 I think it would have been great for Bill Pullman's character. They win the day, right, he's excited, they're celebrating, you know you got you got Goldbloom and Smith doing their victory dance. But he comes back to find out that his wife's just passed away and he missed it. Yeah, you know that'd been cool. Yeah, little girl, maybe little girls sitting there with her. That would have been good, I think. And you have some sort of goodbye, like you know, the goose like moment at the end of the Top Gun where he, yeah, does something in honor of her, and at the end of the movie idea, I'm on with you. I'll tell you one of my one character I think, I I just I love, I love. The more he's on the screen, the better, the happier I am. Jud Hirsh as Julius Levinston David's father. Hirsh Now he's playing a little bit of a stereotypical character. We can say that, you know, it's true, right he but he's I mean, he's fun, but he's also he's got some of the best emotional moments I think when he when he tells the president, you know whatever is the President's advisor to hey, look, you wouldn't even be here if it wasn't for my ta I don't tell him to shut up. Yeah, you all be done if it weren't for my day. But yeah, he's that's pretty good.

24:47 You got that one. You know, you got the president and the Secretary of Defense shouting at at Jeff Goldbloom and everyone's it's getting chaotic, and here comes jud Hirsh to tell everyone to shut up. Because yeah, I love it. And he does have the you know, you know taking you know, his son is mad and drunk and upset, and it's he's at the end of his rope and he pulls him out of it, you know. Yeah. Yeah, well he's and I love that about him. He's he just wants what's best for David. But he's even the beginning, when they're playing chess in the park, he's like, come on, it's been three years. This is no good, you know, And he has these fun moments too, like when he's talking to Constance, you know there's still love there. And then he goes John Lennon All you need is love shot, very sad. You know, he's just he has those small little bite sound bites that are just that make me love his character. He's he's fantastic.

25:44 Yeah, I love Judd Hirsh. Let's talk about couple of supporting players. I got, I got someone here, we got. We got to start off with Margaret Colin. She plays Constant Spano nineteen eighty six. She's Molly Ringwald's teacher and pretty in pink. Yes, nineteen eighty seven, she's Tom Sellek's girlfriend and three men and a baby. Yes, and then I you know, I don't know where she goes besides here, but uh, you know, I, with all due respect to miss Colin Jason, shouldn't this role have gone to dirty girl Marcedes Rule? Oh, dirty girl. I like it. I think she's closer in age to go Bloom. I think she's a better match. I would have loved to have seen Marcedes Rule run through this movie going ahead to head with Jeff Golbloom. That would have been awesome. Here's the thing with with Margaret Colin is she I hate to even say this, but is she hot enough to be the steal the president away from the first lady. That's a good point. I'm gonna say, yes, okay, because I mean she was, Yeah, she had my like in three minutes and a baby. She had my attention before I understood why she had my attention. You know, Wow, Okay, she she you know, I it's nothing about her. Look, it's just I don't know.

27:02 I just feel like, uh, and I'm forgetting the name of the actress who played the lead the lead the lead actress in Big you know what I'm talking about, Elizabeth Perkins. Elizabeth Perkins. I kind of feel like, if you're not paying attention Margaret Colin and Elizabeth Perkins, ye, they're doing that. Yeah, they're interchangeable. That It's like it's like what you know, It's like we talked about a Phantom Menace when Nalie Portman and you know Rose here at Nightley like there's like three of them just all wandering around, you know, being the princess, the Queen. I should say, I don't know. I just I feel like I feel like she's a little interchangeable. But I also feel like Mercedes Rule would have ruled this this role.

27:44 I think we'd have been like, I like that. I like the Jeff cut here, Yeah, the Johnson cut. There we go, dirty girl, love it, dirty Girl. Yeah, you know, I mean, you know, let's let's uh, that's not mince words. You and I are huge Fraser Fraser fans. We got the Crane Scrutiny podcast coming back soon. Come check us out on Crane Scrutiny. Yeah, come check it. If you like talking about Frasier, that's that's definitely the Crane Scrutiny is is uh? Is your pod? How about General Gray played by Robert Loja, Yes, fantastic, right. My favorite Robert Lojah moment is in Necessary Roughness when he's given the pregame speech and he's like, we're gonna kill him, we're gonna take the and he's cousin and and then at the very end of this super involved speech where all these terrible, you know, graphic things that they're going to do the other team, he says, let's pray.

28:38 Uh yeah, Robert Man, I don't you know, I don't know. When I think favorite favorite Lojio, it might be as uh Tony Montana's ill fated mentor and scarface. Yeah, he get high on your own supply, or let's not forget he's he goes up against the loan and over the top. Oh, definitely Michael Cutler here's my boy. Yeah, lojah. I believe him like I know, I know he modeled his performance off with General Patten for this. Yep. I believe him as like the president's right hand man though it just fits. Okay, I got a tidbit for you on him in regards to this movie. Okay, what you got. I don't know if you heard this or not, but he was asking for some help trying to figure out his role, okay, and the director said, well, check out. He meant to say check out Airport seventy seven. What he accidentally said was check out airplane. Oh no, so he watches airplane.

29:40 He didn't. He was not familiar if you can believe it with either of those movies. Unbelievable. He watches airplane and it's like, what is this movie I signed up for? I had no idea that this is a spoof movie. He wouldn't come out of his trailer. Well, think about this. His trailer was probably parked right next to Randy quay aids. Yeah, And let's be honest, Randy Quaid is playing cousin Eddie in this movie, no doubt. Russell Casey, I get it. He's supposed to be an alcoholic and a failure as a father. But if there is one Looney Tunes character in this whole movie, it's Randy Quaid. And I you know, it's fun, but it's also it's it's it's dialed up. It's so far, it's way over the top, you know, And I love I love the his ending. He has one of the most satisfying character arcs, probably the best character arc in the whole movie. And he's got that hero moment, you know, tell my tell my children, I love them.

30:38 It's great. But you know him, hey my girl, you know, flying all sideways and his little biplane and falling out of it. And I just don't know how to feel about oh boys, oh boy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's he's he's out there. But uh, I mean you can make the same argument, you know, as far as characters that are out there. Uh. Brince Spiner as Doctor Oakum, Yeah, he's over the toppy. I love the fact that they walk into area fifty one. He comes out cosplaying Dayton Johnson in a lab coat. He's just you know, he's like, hey, they checked me out, Dayton Johnson for Brett Sper. We're jumping it outsting. Uh. When we do the remake, you're you're doctor Oakram Hey. By the way, so you know, I don't want to jump ahead, but this is a Frankenstein of a whole bunch of different movies patched together. And at that part where Brent Spiner is, you know, taking charge, it turns into the thing that movie.

31:45 Yeah, that is turns into the thing. Yeah, and that's one that's probably the most I'd say that's the scariest moment of this whole movie. Yeah right, yeah, when he when he has the when he's just up against the glass. Yeah. And then you get a closer shot and you see the tentacles like doing that alien thing where it's like, hey, let's try and cut it off a Caine's face and then it tightens. Yep. That that creeps me out, you know, thirty years later that that scene creeps me out. But love Spiner. I'm only gonna mention James Redhorn as Secretary of Defense Albert Nimzicky, because we just talked about him when Andrew and I did Eight Seconds, and he plays he plays Clyde Frost, so it's like, you know, what are the chances that we're talking about James Redhorn multiple times? I was listening to that podcast on the way here today. Oh yeah, well, thank you. Apparently I need to see this movie because it's about Oklahoma and it's about bull riding. So I was kind of surprised not to take us away from ID four, but I was like, this is Oklahoma, takes place in Oklahoma. Lane Frost is an Oklahoma hero, Jason is gonna be j are gonna be all over this episode because they grew you know, they are in Oklahoma. So to hear you say that, I was like, what, I had no idea that was involved olhoom in any way. So I need to check this out. I think I definitely think you'd enjoy that film. So yeah, check out check out our episode on eight Seconds. Great John g albaltson film. You know the guy that

33:21 gave us Rocky gave us credit. Kid, he gives us eight seconds, which has I feel it's safe to say it has the same kind of heart as those two. So if you like those two, you'll definitely like eight seconds. Let's take a quick break and then we'll keep talking about this cast. You thought we wiped them out, You thought the world was safe. You thought wrong. Independence Day is here for PlayStation Sega, Saturn and PC CD ROM Don't Choke, Don't World's counting on you. Back to ID four YEP cameos and before they were famous. Now let's start with before they are famous, and this is you know, I'm stretching it here, but Vivica A. Fox plays Jasmine. She's Will Smith's girlfriend. I say, I say before they're famous because she did have her film debut in Oliver Stone's Born on the fourth of July, which I love the irony there her her film debut is born on the fourth of July. The movie that makes her a star is Independence Day, so love it. You know, Vivica's agents should definitely be looking at any Fourth of July related properties for her to get into because their hits. You know, she did lots of TV work in the early nineties, including The Fresh Prince of bel Air, but I feel like this is the movie that puts her on the map. Is that fair?

34:43 I'd say that's that's true. She brings me heat to Yeah, she's bringing a lot of heat. What'd you think of Vivica? I liked her. I I think she's beautiful, of course. I think they're trying to wedge in a quick pretty woman story into the middle of this sci fi picture. I told you she's the stripper with a heart of gold. Yeah, she she's a stripper that doesn't strip, right, I get exactly. It's a PG movie, you know, we can't get it. But I was like, come on, man, it's almost like they looked around before they you know, when they wrote the script, they're like, okay, what else can Okay? Top Gun was popular? Okay, more top Gun? Okay, Well, Pretty and Pink really did Gang Busters? Okay, squeeze in a Pretty and Pink like story. Oh and then the thing, Oh that's awesome. You put that right in the middle of this movie. Yeah, she her her her profession as a as an exotic answer really doesn't doesn't move the story. You know. I think she could have been She could have been a school teacher, she could have been a doctor, she could have been anything, right, you know, because the only other. The only other time we even we even reference it is when Harry Connock junr. Is like, hey, they're never gonna let you fly to spaceship if you if you're married to a stripper, like really like well says, who is right?

36:01 This is the nineteen forty five. You know it's it's nineteen ninety six. So I don't see why that's an issue. But they almost could have made her a civilian analyst where she you know, they didn't have to salute her, but you're not a salute her. That would have worked Sign you know whatever callsign Fox. Yeah, there you go, there you go. I do like the fact that she's not just the damsel in distress. She kind of she's she's kind of like an action hero in her own right. She's she's jumping through fire, saving boom or the dog. She's rounding up all these injured people. I don't know that many exotic dancers that have a cdl to drive large, large trucks like that. But she jumps right into the rig and hey we're headed al toro jump off. So I dig it.

36:57 I like what she's doing in this movie. Yep, someone and I'll say, just a cameo just because he's he was famous for his theater work, his writing, obviously for Missus doubt Fire. But Harvey Feirestein playing Marty Jeff Goldbloom's let's go ahead and say annoying assistant. A little bit of that guy goes a long way, especially in this movie. And I just I don't know. I like I like the guy, but at the same time, I think we could have cut some of his scenes, like the whole you know, he's he's on the He's like he's stuck in traffic, he's trying to get to his his his therapist. You know, for three hundred an hour, you can put me through his house in the Hampton's It's like se down guy. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know about that guy. I like his mother mother. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know. But look, we I know we're missing quite a few people, but we gotta we gotta keep moving. Okay. I want to know about the Colvin cast. So you're you're talking about you're talking about recasting.

38:00 I've done recasting in everywhere. I already gave you. I already gave you Dirty Girl, And there's one person that needed to be recast, but I want to see what you got for me. Okay, So I took this as a challenge. I recast everybody, even though I think Will Smith is great, I think Jeff Golden is great. I think those are cornerstones to the cast that you shouldn't change, but I'm changing them anyway. Okay, No, are you hold on? Are you playing by the rules and you're recasting with nineteen ninety six people? Yes, Oh this is gonna be good. Okay, late Honix. So here's what I did. I looked up each one of these actors birth year and I tried to replace them with somebody that is right on their birth year or at least really close. Okay, Okay, So here's what I did. President Whitmore is my number one overall draft pick that needed to be replaced. Okay, okay, because I still see, you know, the guy from Spaceball's right, president Loan Star, Yeah, own loan Stock, loan stof. I just didn't see him as the gravitas that we needed for the US president in a time of crisis, right, Okay? And actually I cast I went a little blasphemous, blasphemous here. I recast him with a British actor in nineteen ninety six. I need somebody heroic, I need a stud I need somebody who can lead the country. I went with Pierce Brosnan, PRIs Brosiden. I was about to

39:30 say, you're going brosidentt right, yep, Pierce President. Okay, all right, all right, how do you feel about that? How how much? Starting off? I I absolutely now Brosna doing an American accident? I hope, yes, definitely, you gotta have it. I'm sorry, we have to have it. Yeah on Independence Day, an independence day? Yeah, yeah, a little blasphemoist that you would choose a brit to be the hero of Independence Day. But hey, you know, I'm I'm with you. Still, I'm with you, Okay, all right, so I continuing that line of blasphemy, I'm going to recast Mary McDonald as the first Lady. Yeah, and I'm I'm casting Jenny Agater same year they both born, in nineteen fifty two. You and I have both expressed a mutual admiration of miss agues And she's got that heavy British accent. She's super cute. But I think she could play you know, the demure first lady. She could and you know what, there's nothing that says the president can't marry a non American. So all right, you know, in the spit, as much as I love Mary McDonald playing with the Covin cast, I'll say, yeah, that's a good that's a good one right there. Okay, all right, and I see I see her and Peers as a couple. That makes sense, right, I mean they're two good looking people. You put two good looking people together, that's how it goes, all right, Captain Stephen Hiller, this was the toughest one. Okay, Okay, I went for actors born name. Okay, what's that? I said? I'm only thinking

41:06 of one name. But you know, now, now you got me curious. So I you know, we're dumping Will Smith. I'm taking a chance on a young Aaron Eckhart. Okay, I didn't see that coming. Aaron Eckhart. Yes, this is kind of his pre pre star. This is before his two face, of course. Yeah, but he's just he looks like a fighter pilot to me. So I changed I changed race right there. Yeah, but I I I have a correction here in just a second. You're not you're not thinking like did ninety six Denzel hang tight hang okay, all right, all right, right, I'll with you. Okay, MoveOn, I'm on the fence with but all right, but uh yeah, keep going. This is good, okay, David Levinson. This is Jeff Goldbluin's character. This is the lovable scientist, right yep. Okay, I'm switching race and I'm switching tone. Okay, I'm not going with the quirky goofball. I'm going with the smart, you know, charismatic capable Denzel oh in the scientist's position that that works. After watching him in Crimson Tide, I could see him saying, I've got it. We're gonna give him, We're gonna give it a virus, right, you know, yeah, I could I could see that, all right, Dinzel the hero right as David Levinson. David Levinson, Okay, okay, now then this is where I really took a chance. I took a flying leap on this one. I

42:37 want to see what you think about this one, Julius Levinson. Yeah, I'm changing tone again on this one. This is Denzel's dad, right, this is yeah, this is Denza who you got playing Denzel's dad? Who can be studley enough to be Denzel Washington's dad. And there's only one name I could come up with, is it Carl Weathers. It's not Carl Weathers, although that's good answer. Okay, It's Jim Brown. Oh yeah, okay, Jim Brown. Jim Brown was born nineteen thirty six. Jud Hirsch was born nineteen thirty five. Yeah, and Jim Brown can kick some aliens asses, because we've seen that happen in Mars attacks. So okay, cool with okay, all right, So I'm trying to raise the cool factor here.

43:21 I'm trying to get rid of the cornball goofiness you are, okay, okay, And since we're swinging for the fences anyway, I'm replacing Robert Loja as General William Gray with Clint Eastwood Works in ninety six. Yeah, this is this. This would be ten years after Heartbreak. Ridge absolutely built the same age, right, okay, yep, all right, all right, Russell Case. This is Randy Quaid's goofball character. Yep. The pilot, the drunk pilot, the drunk pilot. You need somebody goofball, but you need somebody that can that you can side with emotionally. You have that heroic moment. Somebody can do provide a little bit of drama, which I think Randy Quaid could. Okay, I'm going with Bill Murray. Oh that's that's inspired. That is absolutely that might be your best recast yet on the on this on this one, Bill Murphy, Bill Murray as the UH as the crazy goofball drunk pilot. Okay, now we got to talk about Jasmine.

44:21 Jasmine I got one. Okay, no brainer, right, no brainer in ninety six, in ninety six, I think I know who we're talking about. But uh, she's got a match up with areon that cart? Who do you? Who do you got with Aaron that cart? The stripper with a heart of gold. I'm throwing Pam Anderson Lee in there in ninety six. Hold on, you're putting You're gonna put Pam a little Anderson in a blockbuster film? Yes, yes, in ninety six. Of course, I think, I think, I think the studio execs are all over you. They're not letting that happen. She's got playboys, she's got Baywatch, she's thet she she was famous for another video exactly, which is why the studio execs are all over you, saying absolutely not, mister Colvin, I for a second. I thought you were gonna We're gonna get like an Aaron Brockovic re teaming. You're gonna say, uh, Julia Roberts, since she she is the stripper with a heart of girl or the hooker with a heart of gold from Pretty Women. But Pamela Anderson, that's I don't I don't know what. I don't know what Russell Case is drinking in this movie. But I think you had a couple of SIPs. Hey, that was the same year that she came out in Barbed Wire, which I will not uh confirm her deny that that that I enjoy Barboy. But still, man, I don't know about that one. Okay, all right, I just don't know.

45:47 Okay, there is one. I know we we haven't talked about him. But I'm just curious, if you know, if I could have you, you know, shoot from the hip on this one. Okay. So Russell has the the son that's looking at the other two kids, huh. I don't remember his name. I know he was in Donnie Darko. I know he was in I think he was in Go maybe Okay, in the Doom Generation. But you know who I'm talking about, the older the older the oldest son, Miguel, who's played by great value Keanu Reeves. Right, this this guy is not a good actor. Yeah. I had struggled because I couldn't when I first watched it, I couldn't tell whether he was a brother or boyfriend. Oh well, yeah, so he's the So there's three kids, right, and so Russell married married their mom. Yeah, is uh that's the way, you know what I could say. I could tell you this because we didn't even talk about this. But there's the theatrical version, and then there's the much better director's cut, the extended cut.

46:52 Did you watch? Which one did you watch? I'm assuming you watched theatrical maybe the Apple TV whichever one that is? Okay, so you watch theatrical cut. Okay, there are some great scenes put back into the movie that make it a little less uh goofy, little less campy, and there's a there's one or two good scenes with Russell and the kids. Okay, so yeah, definitely worth checking out if you're a fan. Okay, yeah, but yeah, you know, not not to end on a on a sour net with the cast. But yeah, that that that kid's awful. Yeah and it probably no, not probably definitely has the world's worst spit take I've ever seen in any television show or movie when Russell gets arrested and he like looks at the screen and then like almost in slow motion, like spits whatever he's got. Yeah, it's like that. What do you are you spitting in disgust? Or is that like the world's slowest spit take? Because we have a take two? You know, yeah, can we get can we ideot as man? It takes as it takes? Guys awful? But tell you what's not awful These words from some of our sponsors. So we'll be right back with keeping it real. Independence Day. We've got company and they're getting ugly. Massive nasty aliens bursting skulls reveal their secret power. Now they

48:23 find heroes with awful tackle of time. Time for the big payment action, so let them s chams the radar and win More delivers the final blow. Ighty Floyd Get off our Planet. The Independence Day action figures eat with computer mission disc and pictures sold separately. Welcome back. Jason Colvin of the Surely You Can't Be Serious Podcasts is with us. We're talking about Independence Day, the biggest movie of nineteen ninety six, and it's time for Jason to keep it real. Three questions. Jason, you are an old hand at this multiple appearances on our nineteen eighty six series, several appearances on our nineteen seventy six series, We've always asked some fun questions. Let's start with this one.

49:15 One of our favorite actors, Billy Zobka, dominating Dojo's high school cafeterias and college swimming pools and some of the best movies in the nineteen eighties. Then he is notably absent from Hollywood for most of the nineties. Question is what about zob Let's replace one actor from this film with William Zobka. Who do you got? Okay, this is an easy call for me. Now I'm going a little against his typical character, you know what he normally portrays. I am replacing Randy Quaid with William Zobka Zoka as the alcoholic father, as the crazy dad. Yep. And that may cause me to eliminate some of the earth, age down some of the children. Yeah, I can age down the children and still get crazy alcoholic Zopka. These kids could be could but at six years old, it wouldn't matter. They're not doing anything that you know, needed to be adults. So wow, I didn't have that. I didn't. I didn't see that one coming. There you go, I'm gonna I'm gonna go you. I'm gonna I'm gonna head this way with you because I want to see Zopka in the air. Also, okay, but Will Smith needs a better wingman than Harry Connick junr harroh. I got Zopka as Captain Jimmy Wilder. And I know we didn't really talk about Harry Connick Junior when we're talking about cast. But here's a thing. Are you telling me that? And this isn't this isn't I guess it's I guess this really isn't against Harry Connick Junior, but maybe to the writing of the film. But are you gonna tell me that we've just been invaded by aliens?

50:50 They have wiped out like millions of people across the globe, and you're gonna be all Shenanigans during the war room, right, And and we don't know if your best friend's girl is even alive. So you're you're sitting there like, you know, holdbe you know, and you know, hey, are you ready to do this? He's you know, he's like, you know, he's he's just he's like David Lee Roth, you know, like like sing talking, yeah, do a lot of a lot of his role. Interestingly enough, you know who who was originally cast in that role? I don't know who is it? Matthew Perry and this is ninety six.

51:30 Yeah, I think he had to step out because of commitments to friends maybe I mean, or maybe he was, you know, dealing with something we you know. But at the same time, Matthew Perry would have been a far better choice because he could have played that goofy sidekick, but also too much taupopping. And they need a little more iceman there. Yeah, we need we like the Black Knights needed to be Iceman. They need to be hangman. They needed to be like like like Will Smith. I liked that he's like, hey, you know, I'm just excited to go whip ET's ass, right, yep, you know, and that's his way of being funny. But also he's got a stone cold look on his face while Connor Junior sitting there acting like a jackass. But anyways, Jason sequel prequel remake, if you controlled this ip, what would be your pitch to the studio to revive it. Okay, So I know that there's been a sequel.

52:30 I have a terrible seeing it, So I have none I can't comment on it. I don't think you should see it. Okay, I'm gonna say that Independence Day Resurgence was not a good film. Okay. Well, I'm still going sequel. Okay, I'm bringing back these same characters, and we're doing part two. Aliens invade the US, and you know, we're back on our feet again. But you know, maybe maybe they're trying to take out Moscow and in London. I know that. I mean, they were all over these cities. But let let's do the rematch aliens versus humans, you know, ten years later. Yeah, so Resurgence was twenty years later.

53:14 And at this point, not to spoil it for you because you know you probably never watch it, but President Wentmore's daughter, she grows up. Now she's a fighter pilot. They couldn't get Will Smith back. He didn't want to do it, so they killed his character off, like he dies in like a training accident or something. Okay, but Vivica, a Fox's little boy that you see in Independence Day. He grows up and he's also a fighter pilot. Come on, you know, and they've got like the Earth Defense Squad or the Earth Defense something, but Jeff Goldbloom is like the leader of that. They've got warning detectors on the Moon and you know a couple other places in space. But it turns out that while we're fighting with the aliens in ninety four, some of them, once they start losing, they are sending a distress call to the mother mother ship and it takes them, you know, it takes some twenty years to get here, but they get here. And then basically they kind of rehash Independence Day for lack of a better so, you know, and you know, Emeric wanted to do.

54:22 He was he was he was full set on, like a Cameron run where he was like, we're gonna do Independence Day three and four. We're just waiting to see part two. Show us that the box the box office is there for it. Yep, it failed. And then he was for a couple of years he was talking like in twenty sixteen, he was like, well, we could still do it, but we're now we're thinking TV movies, and then that the idea just faded into obscurity. So which is a good thing. But I think, you know, like you said, if we had a proper, proper sequel, you know, even lead to your point, if we did one more and made the trilogy. Hey, the first one was a lot of fun. The second one sucked, but they kind of made they kind of course corrected, you know, with the third one. That would be cool. But I can't believe I'm gonna say this, but I'm going to remake and really, okay, I normally have I normally like to think this through with like a stellar cast and some fun stuff, But honestly, I just want less camp, more fear. And all you got to do is look at James Cameron's Aliens as the playbook totally right. Why don't you, in fact, why don't you just bring Cameron over and hire him to direct it. I would love to do that, but he's committed to Avatar sequels for the next forty five years, and he's in his sixties. So Jason DVD extras, you know, nineteen ninety six, the DVD format, So it's introduced to US markets. You know, we love it. High definition is here, it's wowing us. We're tossing out our VHS tapes. But for the centophiles like us, the exclusive features

55:57 were you know, we had the scenes, election, we had French and Spanish subtitles. If you're lucky, you might have got a trailer. So I'm gonna give you some choices here, what DVD extra and keep? Before I before I go on, I will say this, the four K Independence Day on Blu Ray has a wealth of extras, some really awesome stuff. So if you're if you're a fan of Independence Day, I strongly orge you get the four K Blu Ray because it's loaded. But Jason, if you had your choice for av you're the DVD extra you would want for Independence Day. You can have an audio commentary, you can have deleted scenes, you can have a making of documentary, or the recently added Amber Lewis Actors Roundtable, where you can pick a couple actors to kind of have like a round table and hash hash it out. What what what? What do you want here? Okay, so this is an easy call. I mean, I typically love the audio commentary, but since Amber mentioned the actors Roundtable, that is like a level up from the audio commentary because I love hearing the actress talk about it. But since this is such a sci fi spectacle. I think your best bet is like a super duper making of behind the scenes featurette.

57:15 All right, I think that would work. I'm gonna go fun with my answer. Now, there is audio commentaries exist for it already, right, I want Judd Hirsch in character as Julius Levinson doing an audio commentary. Nice. I feel like I feel like he would be focused on all the insignificant things and would trail off and and not put a lot of attention on the on the big moments. And I think that'd be hilarious to here. But I'd go with that. Yeah, I think it'd be fun. Uh in character part of it? It's curious. I like it. Yeah, Jason, let's talk about the film's legacy. How has it how has it aged over time? Would you say this is a classic ac cult classic or just a product of its time. I would say it's a cult classic.

58:05 I think the movie could be. I don't think it's revered in the same way that Jurassic Park is revered, or Star Wars or Terminator two something like that, but I think it is sort of universally loved as a fun but dumb summer popcorn Blockbuster. When we ask the question if does this film have a strong representation of nineties culture? I don't know what else you need to say other than Will Smith. Yeah, like, it definitely has it, right, Yep, definitely. And then you know how this film impacted pop culture if at all? You know a couple things I think we need to address. First off, and I covered this with Dayton Johnson when we did the Mission Impossible episode. You know, Apple's losses are quickly dissipating here.

58:52 You know, after Mission Possible, everyone's thinking about Apple laptops. But it's this movie, with the print ads and the commercials that feature Jeff Golblel character using that power book fifty three hundred. Everyone wants to own one of these things at this point, right, And in fact, Jeff Goldbloom goes on to become a Apple spokesman. He does, he does. He. In fact, I remember the commercials where he was advertising iMovie. Yeah. Speaking of speaking of commercials, I think this is something that we probably all have forgotten. But Independence Day is the first film to spend big money on a commercial to air during the Super Bowl. Yeah, Fox, So Fox spends at the time in nineteen ninety six. This is this is an unprecedented amount of money. But Fox spends one point three million dollars to show a trailer during Super Bowl thirty, and that kind of sets that begins the trend of movie studios using the Super Bowl airtime to debut their upcoming films. And I have to believe that you were, you were, you were watching Super Bowl thirty. You know, I was, yeah, this is your your team, your team wins, right, and my team won. And that was the last time the Dallas Cowboys have done anything. Note Yeah, they beat the Steelers twenty seven to seventeen. And you got your first look at Independence Day on top of it. Good day for Jason Colvin. That was a heck of the day. Man. I'll tell you one thing that this film definitely does as far as impacting pop culture, without a doubt, the disaster

1:00:23 movie genre makes a huge comeback thanks to Independence Day. You know, we had the Irwin Allen films in like the seventies and early eighties that we love, but after Independence Day we get a slew of them, you know. The day after Tomorrow, Deep Impact twenty twelve, San Andreas Volcano, the Corps winstard Armageddon anything that could go wrong in nature, it was going to happen, right yep. So and you know I said I said it earlier, I'll say it again. I don't think in today's era of social media this time you know where this is July. It's July fifth today, and I don't think it's possible that you got on social media and didn't at least once see a clip or a meme of a president what more speech. Yeah without it's it's it's universal, like we love it. I to me, there was a time when you you know, early DVDs and stuff like that, where they would show clips from this movie as advertisements for you know, Sony or whatever at the beginning of your DVDs. So it saw a lot of the the White House explosion. You you could get away from the White House Explosion, you know, it's and rightly so it's a money shot, it is. And the fact that that thing is like a scale model that they blew up, that's like you said, this is this is right before CGI really takes hold. You know, Lucas is is is there in the shadows like a sith, just waiting to you know, welcome us into the

1:01:59 world of the digital CGI. You know, no more models explode, no more miniatures, so Phantom Menace is a mere three years away. Yep. Well, Jason, I want to thank you for joining me today here in nineteen ninety six talking about Independence Day. We had such a fun time talking about family. You know, we we've mentioned Phantom Menace once or twice. We had We had such a blast talking on is it worth the rewatch? You know, so some great things you guys have been doing this season. Love the show, You get me serious podcast? What is next? What's coming up? We've got coming up? We've got our top five songs of nineteen seventy nine plus two honorable mentions, and so we'll do that. That's a lot of fun. We kind of tease it up so you can have a chance to guess what we're talking about. The top five episodes that you guys do where you I love that. I love that you give us the opportunity to try and try and figure it out. Before you know, you're teeing it up for D. He's trying to guess, teeing up for you.

1:03:00 You're trying to guess in the meanwhile, we're listening and we're just like I know it, or in my case sometimes I'm scratching my head, going, what the heck are they talking about? I don't do this, yeah, but I love what you guys do. So Night nineteen seventy nine, So forty fifth anniversary, forty fifth anniversary. I will say this, when D and I got done, they were not the same song, but they had a common theme that we were both like taking it back by So oh, this is gonna be good. All right, listeners, check out the Australia You Can't Be Serious podcast this Tuesday. Listeners, we also want to thank you for checking out our limited series nineteen ninety six. We're gonna cover a lot of movies from this year, but we won't get to all of them, so some of you have already you know, we've we've been seeing like the emails, you know, some people like hey you got to do this one, or hey when's this one coming out? And we do appreciate that, so please, you know, keep them coming because we can.

1:03:53 We can change the schedule because we're not gonna, like I said, we don't have time to get to every movie nineteen ninety six, but keep those yessition's coming by emailing us at a film by podcast at gmail dot com. You can hit us up on social media. You'll find us on Facebook, Instagram, and X we got a bounce. But next time on nineteen ninety six, don't worry, Jason's not going anywhere because we're heading to Oklahoma to get caught up in Twister. Pisow Who Pamela Anderson? Pama Anderson spiked the football alight here spy? I mean, yeah, I was with you.

1:04:54 Well, yeah, okay, yeah, I didn't see that one coming. Did not have pam Anderson on my being go card. Hey, I just thought, who's the most beautiful woman in the world in nineteen ninety six? You know, we didn't really talk about it, but one thing, when I was looking at the guy, I was going over the cast. It's such a huge cast and we've only got like three women in the whole movie. But yeah, how do you kid that? What? Why? Like? And the thing about this one of them gets killed off, like not even halfway through, right, kind of uncurloneously dumped, you know. Yeah, I kind of feel like if if you went back, you're telling me, I don't know, like the Secretary Secretary of Defense could have been a woman you know, or yeah, maybe could we get a could we get a kookie like who in nineteen eighty six? Who's a kookie ditsy like like Brent Spiner's doctor Oakham, who has to be a little weird and eccentric.

1:05:50 Do we have someone like that? How about Carol Caine? Oh? Yes, Carol Caine coming out of that area fifty one. That would have been brilliant. She's smart, love, goofy DITZI right, smart, goofy ditsie. Yeah, I could see her going on. Things have been really exciting and exciting. People are dying, you know, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I feel like, yeah, we needed Carol Kane not you know, I'll love the Brent Spiner, but he's he's you know, he's got plenty of sci fi to his credit. Ironically, they're both in Star Trek, so I guess, yeah, I can't really make that argument, but I like your recasting of Dayton Johnson from I was I was watching it and he comes out, you know, it's when Dayton lets the ponytail out and he's got the long hair. Yeah, I was like, Dayton Johnson, that's awesome. He's he's been keeping us safe there. Yeah,