Sept. 13, 2024

1996: Jerry Maguire

1996: Jerry Maguire
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Season 5 1996

Join us for a nostalgic trip back to the year 1996! We're exploring the culture, the music, and the message that films in 1996 offered, to determine whether they're classics, cult classics, or a product of their time! Author Andy Frye is back with Jeff to discuss Cruise, Crowe, and the Kwan with our look at "Jerry Maguire!"

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These are the movies of nineteen ninety six. What's up, everybody.

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I'm Jeff Johnson with a film by podcast, and I'm

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hoping you're down for this dope series. We've broken down

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the fresh films of nineteen eighty six. We examined the

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gritty cinemascape of nineteen seventy six. Now it's time to

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check out the hella good flicks of nineteen ninety six.

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There are very few people engaging enough to make me

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stand up, follow them and walk out on my job

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and financial security. But Andy Frye is probably one of them.

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He's the author of my most recent favorite novel, ninety

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Days in the Nineties, and he's back with us today. Hello. Andy, Hey,

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how's it going, Jeff? It's going great, man. Listen, you're

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no stranger to the sports world and interviewing some big

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names in sports. When we talk about the best receivers

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in the NFL in the nineties, who comes to mind.

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Well, obviously I think Randy Moss is one of them.

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It's weird. There's a couple of wide receivers that straddled

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a couple of decades. Technically, I think of some of

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the forty nine ers and Randy Moss obviously, and yeah,

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towards the endto and he was with the Eagles. I

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can't that's for him being a cowboy or anything, since

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I grew up a Philly fan. But you know, it's

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weird because everybody, because I write about sports, everybody will

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about the time of the year, or maybe about a

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month ago, say, yo, who should I pick is my

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fantasy quarterbacker? Who should I pick him? Like, dude, you

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know probably as much as I do. And there's no

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trade secrets in fantasy football. But in the nineties, I

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don't know. I guess Randy Moss is one of the

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ones that had the bravado. He had the skills. I

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mean here legendarily a You're in Ohio, so he may

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have remembered him being the best athlete to come out

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of West Virginia, one of your neighboring states. You know,

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he was superhuman and surreal to watch, and you know,

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got in a little trouble for the law with not

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too much. I think he was kind of the complete

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package for the nineties. If you want to break down

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what the nineties was.

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About, Randy Moss is one of the all times greats.

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But for me, it's only one name, the best kept

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secret in the NFL, the most commanding wide receiver in

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the game. He was fast, fierce, and wildly charismatic. He

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was the man, and his name was Rod Tidwell and Andy.

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If we're talking about Rod Tidwell, then we must be

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talking about Jerry McGuire. On December thirteenth, my imagination on

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Din we arrive in a limo. Tom Cruise is sports

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agent Jerry McGuire. What can I do for you?

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Rod? What can I do for you?

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Show me the money? Time, show me the money. Congratulations,

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She's still my agent? Jerry McGuire rated r OH. When

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sports agent Jerry maguire is fired for expressing his moral epiphany,

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he puts his new philosophy to the test with the

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only athlete willing to give him a chance and the

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only woman willing to believe in the man he aspires

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to be. Did you happen to see this in the theater?

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Like?

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Do you remember going to see this in ninety six

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out in the theaters?

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I'm pretty sure that I did, because I do remember

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the first time I watched it well, on what we

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used to call home video, I was with the second

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time I watched. It was with my parents in Santa

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bl Florida, and it was long enough that I forgot

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about the kind of not the opening scene, but the

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sort of the sex scene where they're getting it on,

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and my sister's background, who is like ten years old.

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I think my mom rushed to kind of cover horizon

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ears during that thirty seconds, So it wasn't all about

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you know, explosions and save in the world. And I

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think that's one of the things that Jery McGuire did

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well and made me want to see it in the theater,

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you know, so kind of felt like live sports a

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little bit too, you know, just end that asset.

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Well speak about explosions. Jeremmguire goes head to head with

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Tim Burton's Mars Attacks, takes the number one spot at

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the box office and ends up taking two hundred and

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seventy three point five million dollars on a budget of

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fifty million dollars, the ninth top grossing film with nineteen

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ninety six. And this was Cruse's fifth consecutive one hundred

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million dollar movies, so he can do no wrong at

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this point, right. Yeah, It's generally praise across the board.

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Audiences give this film a Cinema score of A. Critics

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were all in on jeremcguire, citing its dazzling performances, cynical

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to heartwarming storytelling, and Crow's precision direction of romance and sports.

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Nominated for five Academy Awards Best Picture, Best Actor for Cruise,

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Best Supporting Actor for Kooba Goodding Junior, Best Screenplay for

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Cameron Crowe, and Best Editing for Joe Hushting. It's a

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good year for for Jerrem McGuire in nineteen ninety six.

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Yeah, you know, it's sprung at least in the public consciousness.

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Renee Zellweger, who is you know, in the last decade

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one what two Oscars and you know we've talked a

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little bit about Days Confused before. It's one of my

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favorite movies, not just from the ninety's but in general.

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And I finally, after like the fifty fifth time I

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watching it, caught Renee Zellweger in that film. For a

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split second, I was like, there she is, yep, But

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I remember, yeah, seeing Jere McGuire, and it is. Renee

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Zellwegger was one of those you know, she definitely has

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the looks and the ability to dazzle, but they presented

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her as this pretty down to earth major character in

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a film that I think Juck's supposed against sort of

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the glamorous hot shot played by Tom Cruise. And I

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don't know. I mean, I I guess in my mind

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I remembered falsely her getting an Oscar nomination, but if

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she didn't, she should have. I don't know what you think.

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About that, Okay, we'll get Yeah, I definitely got some

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stuff on Zelwegger here. Let's talk about camer Crow for

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a minute. He's he's spends three and a half years

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writing this script. Initially he's writing it for Tom Hanks

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and went on a writer. What do you think about

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that kind of paring?

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You think that that.

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Works at any point in Hollywood, whether it's the eighties,

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the nineties, two thousands, Hanks and writer in these roles.

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Not in these roles, maybe on Stranger Things or something

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like that, but yet not definitely. I mean, I think

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he nailed it with Jerry Maguire being played by Tom Cruise,

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because even even you know, the people who maybe or

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movie watchers who don't like Tom Cruise thinks he's too famous,

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too flashy, gets paid too much he really nails this role.

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He's perfect for it. I don't think. Yeah, I grew

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up in the age of the eighties when I still

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have that first view of Tom Hanks's on Buzzom Buddies

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as he played Buffy or Hill the Guard, which one.

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Yeah, Kip, who was Buffy? I think Kip?

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Yeah? So, uh, you know, I tell he heard that

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he evolved from that? And is it house house Party?

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What was the one where it's like, it's like a

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fraternity house movie with Tom Hanks.

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You I'm talking about, Uh, you're not talking about bachelor party,

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are you?

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What?

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You're not talking about bachelor party? Are you?

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That's what I think, That's what I'm talking about. Yeah,

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and then moving on to him playing Forrest Gump and

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people took him seriously as an actor. I just don't

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think he is the flash and the sort of He

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can't really play the superficial characters that Tom Hanks can play.

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So yeah, I think in no way there's Hanks and

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Ryder would fit into this movie. If they did, it

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would it would have been maybe a well written flop.

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I think I like the idea. So he takes inspiration

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from two two real life things here So the film

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is inspired by sports agent Lee Steinberg, who represented a

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record eight number one draft picks in the NFL over

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his entire career of like three hundred athletes. And then

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it's also partly inspired by a twenty eight page memo

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written by Jeffrey Katzenberg in nineteen ninety one when he

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left Disney. I would love to get that's gotta be online, right,

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I'd love to get my hands on that and just

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see what the genesis of Jem McGuire is and Jeffre Katzenberg.

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Probably Yeah, if you can find any you probably find

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anything in the internet these days.

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Yeah. And let's let's talk contracts. So Rod Tidwell has

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an offer on the on the table from Arizona. He gets,

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he gets faxed over.

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I did.

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I did look this up, because, like you said, you

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can find about anything on the internet. So Rod's three

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year deal that he rejects, you're one of two four

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hundred and fifty thousand dollars, year three, six hundred thousand dollars.

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It also states a signing bonus of three hundred thousand

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dollars initial cash bonus pro rated over the length of

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the contract, and incentives of fifteen thousand dollars for being

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a Pro Bowl Alternate, twenty five thousand dollars for being

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a Pro Bowl original ballot, and fifty thousand if the

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team qualifies for the playoffs. So the total value of

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his three year contract is one point seventy nine million

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dollars in nineteen ninety six for a for an upper

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tier wide receiver. That's that's that's a chump change, right.

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Well, it's it's I remember when the big news around

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it out of the time. Must must have been a

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couple of years earlier. I don't remember what year that

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Troy Aikman got his five I think it was a

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five million dollars a year contract from a like for

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multiple years. Now we can't even fathom, you know, I

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don't know a second rate, you know, tight end coming

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off injury getting that little amount of money. So the

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economics of sports, I'm no expert, but it was different

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back then. I think for how he was portrayed in

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the beginning of the film as this, you know, kind

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of workhorse, but not a spectacular athlete. Uh, you know,

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five foot ten, a little bit of a little bit

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of attitude, take or leave it, playing from shrimp right,

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what was a mediocre team in the NFC at the time.

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I don't think. I don't think it was too far off.

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So uh real, well, I mean think like the think

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about where we're at now. You know, Jerry Jones just

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gave Ceedee Lamb one hundred and thirty six million dollars

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for four years and Rod's only getting Rod's not even

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getting two million for three years. You know, I don't know.

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I feel like I feel like they could have. I

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think I think they're I think they're stiffen Rod here

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a little bit.

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Yeah, but he wasn't. No Randy Moles. I mean I think, yeah,

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maybe he's a little bit. But I guess I have

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to have to look at spot track to see, uh,

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you know what the what the salaries are for the

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top you know, ten wide receivers. But also forget we

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also forget that. Okay, in at least in the mid nineties,

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running backs are still part of the game. It wasn't

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all about past past, and I think we've evolved to

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this thing where more passing is better. And I think

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if it was allowed by the rules, teams would remove

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the running backs and have just another receiver out there.

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And you know that that we would eliminate that position

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because it seems like passes and catches create revenue. And

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you know, I think about some of the best players

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I've ever witnessed, like Walter Payton and Barry Sanders, like

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they were running backs. So I guess maybe I'm a

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little more geared towards the way things were. I don't

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know in the twentieth century, but yeah, I don't think

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that they were too far off. But you know, it

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was the story had to be in the film that

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he was had a lot of potential, hadn't really quite

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his stride, or if he did, he wasn't getting definitely

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wasn't getting noticed for the amount of work, the amount

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of catches he was putting in, because the Arizona Cardinals

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in that movie had not yet made the playoffs in

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what twenty four to twenty two years whatever it was.

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So it's a new game. When you win the game,

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you know, on a touchdown, put your put your team

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within one game, clinching the first playoff in a fourth century,

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then you can talk money, you know, talk about showing

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me the money. That's that's where the money starts to us.

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Yeah, I think about that. The Arizona Cardinals Dallas Cowboys

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game featuring Rod's big touchdown after that scary hit was

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actually a Monday night football game played on December twenty fifth,

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the year before nineteen ninety five. And while the Cardinals

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do win in Jerem McGuire, in real life, the Cowboys

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put a hurt on them thirty seven thirteen. Love. I love.

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I love the fact that they're using real, real sports teams,

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you know, I mean, don't get me wrong, I love

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I love football movies where you know, it's like any

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given Sunday maybe where we got the Sharks instead of

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the Dolphins, and you know, the NFL is just not

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going to sign off on some of these plots, right.

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The Browns actually go to the Super Bowl?

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Yeah, exactly, that's absolute fantasy. But I do, I do

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appreciate the fact that we're talking real NFL football teams,

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real NFL football games. I think that, like you mentioned,

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like the believability of this movie earlier, I think that

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definitely builds on it.

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Yeah. I think that there's the Cameron Crow don't I

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obviously never talked to him, don't know him, but it

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seems like and this is I think it as a person,

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you know, writer. I was in the business world for

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twenty plus years. I think that people who have interacted

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different types of businesses, whether it's film or you know,

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selling bricks or whatever, know how important relationships are. So,

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you know, camera cra obviously had a name at that

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point for singles and some of the other things he

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had done. Had not done a ton at that point,

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but somehow, you know, got buying in from the NFL.

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And obviously if you got you know, Troy Aikman, who's this,

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you know, the quarterback of that error not only showing

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up in the movie given a line you know, off

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of the script towards the end of movies that that

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some of its money. So it's fifty million dollar budget,

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which doesn't sound like a lot today but was pretty

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big back then. There had to be some some a

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lot of relationship building and a lot of thinking outside

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the box to make that happen. Versus We're just going

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to make a football movie and yeah, it's going to

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be the the Sharks versus the bull Weavils, and we're

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going to just accept falsely that their NFL teams, you know,

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expand and teams or whatever. Uh, they did a really

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great job of making it real. And I think in

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order to pull the film off and have us believe

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that this sports agent jere McGuire existed and persistence with

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this cutthroat environment, you needed to really paint the full picture.

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You couldn't just fake it. So I think that's you know,

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props to him for whatever he did, whatever he goes,

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he stroked. You get people in the NFL to be

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a part of this versus just you know, license a

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couple of logos, I think is huge.

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Yeah, well, you know talking about license. Uh. So there's

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a pretty interesting story. So there's some controversy with Jerem McGuire.

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Did uh did you read about this old this whole

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situation with Reebok?

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Yeah, Reebok. I mean obviously if they you know, wanted

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to be in it and said a Nike, you got

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to take the good with the bad. So I remember

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years ago reading a bit about it. But I want

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to know what, like, what updates were we talking about here?

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What's the so?

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So apparently the studio makes a deal with Reebok and

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the plan is that there's gonna be an actual rebox

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commercial cut into the movie, whether it's one of Jerry's

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clients or something, we're gonna see an actual Rebok ad.

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And it was supposed to be this marriage between television

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or you know, television commercials and film camera. Crow's not

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having it. So Reebok gives all this money to the

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studio and then they go to the theater and they

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see you know, Buck Reebok, you know, and they don't

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see their commercial and they are pissed. There's lawsuits getting

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thrown around, and ultimately the settlement is that when you

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see this on television, it's the commercials already. It's like

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it's baked in now, and on the DVD it's it's

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like a bonus feature.

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But I say, I've seen it as a bonus extra.

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I remember seeing it after probably that second time I

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watched and thinking, oh, there it is great. I love this.

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But I don't know why it was that would have

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been such a big deal to play. I mean, I

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felt like it should have been in there because it

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was you know again that makes it more real, But

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you know, who knows.

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I think it would have worked, like especially if Kush

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is getting the Rebok ad and Rod Tidball's not. Then

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Tidwell's statement, you know, it's it's true to character, right,

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But I, uh, I don't know. I thought that was

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that was pretty ballsy from from the whe whether it

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was camer Crow, whether it's the studio. I thought that's

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kind of ballsy that they would they'd kind of go

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back on their deal like that, take the money and

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then and then not do it.

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So yeah, the nineties weren't really a great decade for Reebok.

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I mean, they figured they got dissed by the ninety

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two Dream Team with Jordan wearing the flag over the

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Reebok logo, Shack shoe was not particularly popular, and then

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Shack decided to bail because he felt guilty about his

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shoe not being affordable to uh to everyday kid. So yeah,

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I don't know. I owned I once on a pair

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of rebox and they fell apart in a couple of weeks.

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So I don't know. Maybe it's karma. Hopefully hopefully they're

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better now. Reebuck don't sue me, but yeah.

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Yeah, please Rebok, do not sue Andy or this show.

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So fun. Fact, here one of the iconic lines in

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this film, you complete me. It's been said millions of times,

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it's been paraphrase. It's been ridiculed. Renee Zelweger not the

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only character to say this in a blockbuster film, was

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also said by Tony Stark and iron Man two and

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The Joker in the Dark Knight. How about that? Yeah, Andy,

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let's get more into your wheelhouse. We gotta talk about

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this film soundtrack. So Nancy Wilson, who was Crow's wife

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at the time, she scores the film. She contributes two

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songs to a soundtrack that includes the Who, Neil Young,

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Elvis Presley, Paul McCartney, and Bob Dylan. Is this one

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of the greatest nineties soundtracks to not feature a nineties

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band or artist?

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Well, again, this is probably all right, So I give

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have the credit to Nancy Wilson. But yeah, I think

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this is the relationship building and the kind of the

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big picture attitude because it could have been you know,

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like we were talking about with Biodome several months ago.

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You just pick off a couple of trendy bands, whether

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they're singing whatever single they have about now, that's kind

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of the way a lot of sort of there were

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a lot of great soundtracks in the nineties, even for

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bad movies, but there are also a lot of it

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kind of became a cottage industry where it's just like, okay,

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tripping Daisy has a song, the verb has a song,

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no doubt has a song and stuck on their album.

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Let's just throw it out there. This obviously was thought through,

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and this is this is the Baby Boomers soundtrack. I mean,

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who Neil Young, Lee Jones, come on, Paul McCartney, Amy

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Mann is Amy Man's like the most edgy.

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Love the Amy Man song.

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Yeah, not the most edgye but the one that's a

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little bit outside the box. And I'm not sure about

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much about his name is alive, but I mean there's

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even an Elvis Elvis one on the on the the

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list that I'm seeing here, so yeah, it's uh, I

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don't know, it's kind of was not built for the

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I guess the lockstep you know, market tested soundtrack buyer

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in the nineties. But Cameron Crowe being a huge music fan,

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I mean, he just probably had a vision for how

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he wanted to do this, so obviously for you know,

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for some of.

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Us, well, I mean, if not camer Crow, Like when

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I think directors that that build a movie around a soundtrack,

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it's Camra Crow and it's Quentin Tarantino. I think they

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do the best work when it comes to soundtracks, like

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you compiling classic music or you know, classic rock songs.

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What be that as it may. And let's be honest,

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like if you're going to the store, if you're going

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to you know, Record Town or you know Virgin in

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nineteen ninety six to buy this, you're buying it because

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of Bruce Springsteen, right, Secret Garden probably?

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Yeah, Yeah, But I also think it played well with

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the crowd. But it's sort of you know, who was

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running society at the time. I guess it's it was

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I mean, first once we talked about gen X and

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Nirvana in the nineties, really the people running I mean

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Bill Clinton was running the White House. He has a

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baby boomer who was on TV, Jerry Seinfeld, you know,

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Michael Jordan. So I think it kind of plays more

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to that generation. But I would say that Tarantino really

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creates a sound for his movies. And you think about

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you just if you know anything about help fiction watching

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more than what you immediately associate Dick Dale and Link

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Ray and a lot of that sort of late fifties. Yeah,

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that's surf rock, car rock with not just the soundtrack

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but like what was playing in the movie, I think

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there's a little bit less of that here. This kind

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of also sounds to me like maybe what a guy

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like Jerry Maguire would listen to in the car when

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he's trying to decompress after you know, knocking heads with

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other sports agents. You know, pro athletes, people with egos

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probably would need to put on some sprink scene and

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some Neil Young and Riku Lee Jones just to cope

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through the day. So I feel like it's that's the

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utility of this.

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Speaking of Tom Cruise decompressing in the car, Andy, how

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many people are leaving Sam Goodie with their their soundtrack

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and just getting pissed when they realized that Tom Tom

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Petty's free falling is not on the soundtrack? How do

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you do that? Like what I mean, that's one of

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the funniest scenes in the movie. It's one of the

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more memorable scenes. And you know, we get it.

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Well, I mean Tom Patty was that's also when he

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hit a stride. I'm sure that you know, people have

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to understand that there's a budget that they pay for songs.

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I mean sort of.

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The the big lift was with Days Confused, which I

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think came at ninety three that the that link later

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spent the most money on the first two minutes of

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the film.

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They're playing sweet Emotion. Yeah, I think I remember what

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the price tagle was. It was some five figure number

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that they had to pay Ellen Aroospens just a license

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for that two minutes. So obviously, if you're playing free

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Falling in the middle of the nineties by Tom Patty,

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who's gone from sort of Beach Boys acolyte to major

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star selling at stadiums, you're gonna pay for that song.

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So sorry, signed on the soundtrack, but yeah, you know

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you can buy it on CD and the steaming happens

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in the two thousands, you can. You can fight it

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together on Spotify.

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Go buy Full Moon Fever, right, it's I think that's

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like the first track on that on his album there.

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But I do want to talk about this cast. We

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got some principle we got some principal roles, we got

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some supporting players. I'm not even gonna try. I mean,

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there's like fifty different people came on as himself, so

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I'm just gonna skip that. But let's start with the

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principal roles. We got Tom Cruise as Jerry Maguire. Obviously,

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as we said, it's written for Tom Hanks, Crow feels

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he's too old by the time he gets around to

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making the movie. It's then offered to Woody Harrelson, who

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turns it down and famously tells producers nobody is going

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to give a shit about an agent. Woody, dude, you

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gotta wonder, like, like, how what the trajectory of his

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film career is if he takes this in nineteen ninety six,

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and like where does he end up? You know what?

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You want to be right for this role, though, because

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I think even even if you have what he fail out,

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how Woody Harrison playing what he played the nineties as

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a serial killer or kind of an unsung hero, he

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does it with a lot more laid back approach to

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I've heard that Mardy Harrelson is actually not that much

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laid backy, despite how much weedy smokes and what he

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plays on the screen. But yeah, I don't think he's

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type A enough and you know, slick enough really even

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back then to pull off this role. I think it

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was really if it wasn't tailor made for Tom Cruise,

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I still have a hard time believing that because I

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think it's just such a natural fit.

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Yeah. Well, you know, like we said, five nominations for

462
00:23:33.599 --> 00:23:36.680
this movie. Tom does not win the Oscar, but he

463
00:23:36.720 --> 00:23:38.680
does win the Golden Globe for Best Actor in a

464
00:23:38.759 --> 00:23:43.200
Musical or Comedy, and he gets a prestigious MTV Movie

465
00:23:43.200 --> 00:23:45.039
Award for Best Male Performance because you got remember that

466
00:23:45.079 --> 00:23:48.279
in the nineties, the MTV Movie Awards. That's where we

467
00:23:48.279 --> 00:23:49.759
were at, right, that's we loved it.

468
00:23:49.880 --> 00:23:52.640
But I remember seeing that when they interviewed Tom Cruise

469
00:23:52.680 --> 00:23:55.599
and he was he was I think he was in

470
00:23:55.799 --> 00:23:58.119
London and he was talking about all the band So

471
00:23:58.400 --> 00:24:02.480
I'm in London, home of oasismally from Manchester. He was

472
00:24:02.519 --> 00:24:04.960
definitely riding high on the music of the nineties in

473
00:24:05.000 --> 00:24:07.039
the middle of the thing, and uh, you know, look

474
00:24:07.119 --> 00:24:10.880
like he just had his hair perfectly coffed. So yeah,

475
00:24:10.880 --> 00:24:12.400
don't remember what. I don't remember what he was shooting

476
00:24:12.400 --> 00:24:16.000
in London, if it was a Minority Reporter AI or

477
00:24:16.119 --> 00:24:16.720
what it was.

478
00:24:16.799 --> 00:24:19.160
But I think I think he was doing it were

479
00:24:19.200 --> 00:24:20.599
busy at the Cuber. I think he was doing the

480
00:24:20.640 --> 00:24:21.359
Kubrick movie.

481
00:24:21.720 --> 00:24:26.039
Oh shut, okay, that makes sense, Yeah, okay.

482
00:24:25.920 --> 00:24:28.680
You said this was tailor made for him? Would you

483
00:24:28.680 --> 00:24:30.359
say this is one of his best roles.

484
00:24:30.759 --> 00:24:32.680
Yeah, I think so. I mean, I'm not a Tom

485
00:24:32.680 --> 00:24:35.119
Cruise super fan by any any means, but I think

486
00:24:36.039 --> 00:24:37.720
I mean, yeah, it got to be a toss of

487
00:24:37.720 --> 00:24:39.559
between that and Tropic thunder I suppose, but.

488
00:24:40.400 --> 00:24:44.000
Less Grossman Dropic thunder Man. If they they could do

489
00:24:44.039 --> 00:24:46.599
a movie about that character, I think it would kill

490
00:24:46.680 --> 00:24:48.160
I think it would just crush the box office.

491
00:24:48.359 --> 00:24:50.920
Yeah, I want to see a spin off just about that. Yeah,

492
00:24:51.039 --> 00:24:55.880
give us multi Harry Harry knuckle dumb megalo mania. What

493
00:24:56.000 --> 00:24:59.680
made him back like that? But yeah, back to I mean, yeah,

494
00:24:59.680 --> 00:25:06.240
I think it's definitely there's with Cruise playing Jerry Maguire,

495
00:25:06.319 --> 00:25:09.480
there's this, there's this. You know. They keep mentioning the

496
00:25:09.519 --> 00:25:11.599
movie that the character doesn't like to be alone, but

497
00:25:11.680 --> 00:25:14.839
he's forced to kind of work through his his superficial

498
00:25:15.880 --> 00:25:17.559
veneer that he's had just as a part of his career,

499
00:25:17.599 --> 00:25:20.519
that he almost adopted his as a second personality. Was

500
00:25:20.559 --> 00:25:24.319
really forced into kind of authentic situations, so people aren't glamorous,

501
00:25:24.359 --> 00:25:26.680
Like I think he moves in with with you know,

502
00:25:26.720 --> 00:25:31.200
his girlfriend who became his wife, Dorothy Boyd, Like he's

503
00:25:31.240 --> 00:25:34.279
not in the glamorous situation and he's haven't you could tell,

504
00:25:34.920 --> 00:25:39.319
having a hard time changing lanes, I guess, and I

505
00:25:39.359 --> 00:25:41.720
think that there's maybe I'm reading too much into it.

506
00:25:41.759 --> 00:25:46.200
There's just some nuanced, you know, kind of I guess,

507
00:25:46.240 --> 00:25:51.400
some nonverbals and facial expressions and ways that Tom Cruise

508
00:25:51.839 --> 00:25:53.599
said certain things, certain things, or maybe it was just

509
00:25:53.720 --> 00:25:56.039
edited really well that I think bring that out almost

510
00:25:56.079 --> 00:25:59.039
like he's brought kicking and screaming into the real the

511
00:25:59.039 --> 00:26:01.079
real world outside and you're getting pulled out of the

512
00:26:01.079 --> 00:26:04.839
glamorous world where it's just money and photo ops and

513
00:26:05.599 --> 00:26:08.200
you know, name dropping. I think that that he just

514
00:26:08.200 --> 00:26:10.720
played that really well, and again maybe got help from

515
00:26:10.720 --> 00:26:14.200
the editors of the film, but it just was really

516
00:26:14.240 --> 00:26:18.000
pulled off really well. I think he deserved it all

517
00:26:18.039 --> 00:26:19.400
the accolades he got, for sure.

518
00:26:19.920 --> 00:26:22.359
I agree. Let's take a quick break and when we

519
00:26:22.400 --> 00:26:29.240
get back we'll keep talking casts. Welcome back. We have

520
00:26:29.359 --> 00:26:32.000
Andy Frye with us, author of ninety Days in the nineties.

521
00:26:32.039 --> 00:26:35.559
We are talking about Jerry Maguire. Andy, let's talk about

522
00:26:35.599 --> 00:26:40.720
rod Tidwell, Cuba Gooding Junior. So I was fascinated by

523
00:26:40.759 --> 00:26:46.559
this before Cuba Lands, the role Damon Wayans was considered,

524
00:26:47.319 --> 00:26:49.640
and you remember he played Jimmy Dixon The Last Boy

525
00:26:49.680 --> 00:26:54.079
Scout in nineteen ninety one. Yeah, Jimmy Fox auditioned and

526
00:26:54.240 --> 00:26:57.960
was turned down. Jamie Fox did, Jamie Fox did. But

527
00:26:58.279 --> 00:27:00.359
you know three years in nineteen ninety nine, he he'll

528
00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:02.640
become Steaphen Willie Beaman in any given Sunday. So he's

529
00:27:02.680 --> 00:27:05.279
doing okay too real quick, not to get off topic,

530
00:27:05.319 --> 00:27:09.680
but in nineteen ninety six, Andy, uh, who you drafting?

531
00:27:09.720 --> 00:27:09.880
You need?

532
00:27:10.039 --> 00:27:11.759
You need a QB for your your fantasy football team.

533
00:27:11.759 --> 00:27:14.359
Who are you drafting? Are you drafting Jimmy Dix? Are

534
00:27:14.359 --> 00:27:14.920
you drafting?

535
00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:15.160
Uh?

536
00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:16.400
Stem and Willie Beaman.

537
00:27:16.920 --> 00:27:20.160
Probably say Dix. But you know, I thought you were

538
00:27:20.319 --> 00:27:22.519
gonna ask me about a real, real quarterback because I

539
00:27:22.559 --> 00:27:24.799
was like, back there.

540
00:27:24.640 --> 00:27:26.039
But it's the movies, man.

541
00:27:27.279 --> 00:27:29.759
But I don't try to draft nine or ninety. I

542
00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:32.640
don't remember now. Yeah, I think Dix. You know it's

543
00:27:32.640 --> 00:27:35.200
weird that you mentioned I totally forgot about Damon Wayns

544
00:27:35.240 --> 00:27:38.480
because so you know, whenever I talk about music in

545
00:27:38.480 --> 00:27:41.200
the nineties, there's these little caveats and same thing with TV,

546
00:27:41.359 --> 00:27:43.799
Like I remind my friends who are old as me,

547
00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:46.440
like do you remember in nineteen ninety that the biggest

548
00:27:46.440 --> 00:27:47.960
hard rock band in the world that was not Comeson

549
00:27:48.079 --> 00:27:51.000
Roses was Living Color, and like, oh yeah, I remember

550
00:27:51.000 --> 00:27:54.440
that band. I have older albums or that Damon Wayans was.

551
00:27:55.240 --> 00:27:58.119
He was the premiere stand up comic at the time.

552
00:27:58.319 --> 00:28:01.279
I remember this. I think when HBO or Showtime that

553
00:28:01.640 --> 00:28:04.799
kept getting played in perpetuity, and you know, sn L

554
00:28:04.839 --> 00:28:07.200
and Different and Mad TV and different programs were like

555
00:28:07.279 --> 00:28:10.400
kind of lampooning kind of the slick character. And I

556
00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:14.319
think in the Nutty Professor, when you have Dave Chappelle

557
00:28:14.400 --> 00:28:17.839
playing that kind of a whole stand up I think

558
00:28:17.839 --> 00:28:20.400
a little bit of that was Damon Wayns from the

559
00:28:20.440 --> 00:28:25.440
early nineties, just kind of a crazy, yeah, interesting take,

560
00:28:25.599 --> 00:28:27.240
little glamorous, a little bit more of a kind of

561
00:28:27.240 --> 00:28:29.839
a dowdy version of him. But now they bring it

562
00:28:29.920 --> 00:28:32.200
up like, actually, Damon Wayns, not to take away from

563
00:28:32.319 --> 00:28:33.960
Cube a good junior, but in terms of like the

564
00:28:34.000 --> 00:28:36.519
way that they look, I don't know. I think Damon

565
00:28:36.519 --> 00:28:38.160
Wayne's is he's a little more handsome, he's a little

566
00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:42.640
bit more he's a little taller. It's definitely more headline

567
00:28:42.640 --> 00:28:45.599
at the time, although Cuban Goodting Junior did a great

568
00:28:45.640 --> 00:28:48.000
child Boys in the Hood, and maybe camer Cro wanted

569
00:28:48.039 --> 00:28:50.319
a kind of a more upcoming actor. You never know

570
00:28:50.359 --> 00:28:52.319
what happens with the screen test and the auditions, but

571
00:28:53.359 --> 00:28:56.759
either either one could have worked. But we got the Oscar,

572
00:28:56.880 --> 00:28:57.599
so I.

573
00:28:57.559 --> 00:29:01.079
Guess yeah he does. He does win the Oscar for

574
00:29:01.119 --> 00:29:06.519
Best Supporting Actor. He beats out William H. Bacy in Fargo, Arma, Mueller, Stalensheine,

575
00:29:06.720 --> 00:29:09.960
Edward Norton in Primal Fear, and James Woods and goes

576
00:29:09.960 --> 00:29:13.680
to Mississippi, maybe has one of the more memorable Oscar

577
00:29:13.720 --> 00:29:16.240
accepted speeches, and the Oscar goes to.

578
00:29:20.799 --> 00:29:21.119
Cuba.

579
00:29:21.160 --> 00:29:25.119
Gooding Junior job. I know I have a little bit

580
00:29:25.160 --> 00:29:27.240
of time, so I'm gonna rush and say everybody and

581
00:29:27.319 --> 00:29:30.200
you cut away. I won't be mad at you. Tom said,

582
00:29:30.200 --> 00:29:32.039
don't forget to thank your wife. I will never forget

583
00:29:32.079 --> 00:29:34.200
to thank my high school sweetheart and the mother of

584
00:29:34.240 --> 00:29:40.680
my children, Spencer and Mason. God, I love you, hallelujah.

585
00:29:40.759 --> 00:29:42.279
Thank you fatherly God for putting.

586
00:29:42.039 --> 00:29:43.359
Me through what you put me through.

587
00:29:43.359 --> 00:29:48.480
But I'm here and I'm happy. I just wanna, oh,

588
00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:50.119
here we go, Okay, I'm the studio.

589
00:29:50.200 --> 00:29:52.920
I love you and Cameron Crowe and Tom Cruise.

590
00:29:53.079 --> 00:29:53.880
I love your brother.

591
00:29:54.680 --> 00:29:58.759
It's hard. He's basically rob Tidwall, wasn't he He.

592
00:29:58.799 --> 00:30:01.079
Was basically robbed Tidwell. But yeah, you gotta appreciate. I mean,

593
00:30:01.079 --> 00:30:03.839
he's putting a smile on everyone's face. You know, the

594
00:30:04.119 --> 00:30:05.480
band has tried to play him off for like the

595
00:30:05.519 --> 00:30:08.759
second time, and then the standing ovation happens. Steve Martin

596
00:30:08.839 --> 00:30:12.240
jumps up, Goldie Hawn a bunch of other people. It's

597
00:30:12.279 --> 00:30:14.000
just it's just fun to watch too. I mean, he

598
00:30:14.119 --> 00:30:18.079
is clearly just having a moment, and I think that's

599
00:30:18.079 --> 00:30:19.799
one of my I think it's one of the better

600
00:30:19.960 --> 00:30:23.279
acceptance speeches, especially when they're they're trying to kick him

601
00:30:23.279 --> 00:30:25.680
off the stage and he's just you know, doing backflips

602
00:30:25.680 --> 00:30:26.920
and having at having a great time.

603
00:30:27.240 --> 00:30:28.960
Yeah. I think the whole thing points the whole like

604
00:30:29.359 --> 00:30:32.079
attitude of the nineties. In fact, you have you know

605
00:30:32.279 --> 00:30:35.359
Edward Norton, first role nominated for the Oscar. You know

606
00:30:35.400 --> 00:30:38.160
this kid he just walks on from Yale to kind

607
00:30:38.160 --> 00:30:40.519
of you know, he's I don't even think he studied

608
00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:44.839
drama fullio at Yale, but gets the part and just

609
00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:48.359
impacts us. And you know, it's like this. Uh yeah,

610
00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:50.119
it's kind of like a almost like an indie di

611
00:30:50.519 --> 00:30:54.519
y you know, William William H. Macy not you know,

612
00:30:55.279 --> 00:30:57.119
he's been around the block, but he's not a super

613
00:30:57.119 --> 00:31:00.359
glamorous sort of character actor also cut from the the

614
00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:03.359
indie cloth, you know, provided by the Cohen Brothers. It

615
00:31:03.440 --> 00:31:06.200
just kind of speaks to what the attitude was in

616
00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:08.880
the nineties and that sort of what we valued, I

617
00:31:08.960 --> 00:31:09.880
guess m h.

618
00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:12.400
And then well, yeah, I mean when you look who's

619
00:31:12.400 --> 00:31:14.720
going up against that, I think he's I think he's

620
00:31:14.759 --> 00:31:18.680
the clear cut winner with with Norton, maybe a very

621
00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:23.279
close runner up because Norton in Primal Fears is amazing,

622
00:31:23.440 --> 00:31:25.759
is amazing, But I don't know, I got I gotta

623
00:31:25.759 --> 00:31:27.160
give it to Kuba, I think.

624
00:31:27.880 --> 00:31:28.160
Yep.

625
00:31:28.880 --> 00:31:33.440
Let's talk Renee Zellweger. Yeah, every actress from Patricia Arquette

626
00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:36.400
to Jennifer Lopez is considered for this role of Dorothy Boyd.

627
00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:42.039
Janine Garoffalo comes very close to landing it, and there's

628
00:31:42.079 --> 00:31:46.759
conflicting stories. One one report says ultimately the studio decided

629
00:31:46.759 --> 00:31:49.039
that she was too old, you know, the whole Tom

630
00:31:49.079 --> 00:31:52.359
Hanks story. And then there's another one where they said Hey,

631
00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:55.799
if she can lose some weight, she's got it. And

632
00:31:55.839 --> 00:31:58.400
then she goes and loses some weight, and then by

633
00:31:58.440 --> 00:32:01.839
the time she comes back, the Renee Zellwegger has the job.

634
00:32:02.119 --> 00:32:05.519
So I don't know how I feel about any of those,

635
00:32:05.799 --> 00:32:07.559
you know, any of the choices that we're talking about.

636
00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:10.240
But the final selection came down to Renee Zellweger and

637
00:32:10.279 --> 00:32:14.279
Connie Britton of Friday Night Lights name Friday Night Light's fame.

638
00:32:14.559 --> 00:32:18.279
You know, she does Brothers McMullen with Edward Burns, and

639
00:32:18.680 --> 00:32:21.279
Burns is the one that recommends her to Cameron Crow.

640
00:32:21.400 --> 00:32:23.440
So I don't know, I could totally see Connie Britten

641
00:32:23.440 --> 00:32:24.359
in this role. What about you.

642
00:32:25.519 --> 00:32:28.200
You know, it's weird because I think I maybe that's

643
00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:30.119
the way I love Connie Brittain. Now, the roles she played,

644
00:32:30.160 --> 00:32:32.720
she seems a little bit too I want this to

645
00:32:33.000 --> 00:32:35.119
come up a little bit too mature for that role.

646
00:32:36.559 --> 00:32:40.519
With Dorothy Boyd, you have this strikingly beautiful woman who's

647
00:32:40.559 --> 00:32:42.640
also you know, she's in a place in her life

648
00:32:42.640 --> 00:32:45.200
where she lost her husband. She's a single mom. Definitely

649
00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:48.400
nothing kind of eighties and ninety glamorous about that, and

650
00:32:48.440 --> 00:32:51.119
I think that was important to the character more than

651
00:32:51.160 --> 00:32:54.759
the role, and so you have Renee Zellweger who kind

652
00:32:54.759 --> 00:32:57.759
of checks off those dots. She could be humble, be

653
00:32:57.839 --> 00:33:00.920
strikingly beautiful, be articulate, and sense and I think the

654
00:33:00.920 --> 00:33:03.279
sense of an emotional piece of it was really the

655
00:33:03.359 --> 00:33:07.000
larger piece that probably made the character so strong, especially

656
00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:11.559
with Jerry McGuire's a character trying trying not to be that,

657
00:33:12.119 --> 00:33:14.279
and then Avery has you know, fiance breaks up of

658
00:33:14.279 --> 00:33:17.319
them as as a complete opposite, you know, glamorous, beautiful,

659
00:33:17.960 --> 00:33:21.240
almost cunning and cutthroat and doesn't have a shred of

660
00:33:21.880 --> 00:33:25.480
empathy for what Jerry's going through. The character that he

661
00:33:25.559 --> 00:33:27.759
ends up with has to be the complete opposite of that,

662
00:33:28.279 --> 00:33:32.079
and I don't think, Yeah, I kind of feel like

663
00:33:32.440 --> 00:33:35.079
there must have been something that Renee Zellweger had done

664
00:33:35.599 --> 00:33:38.359
during an audition to screen tests that displayed that emotion,

665
00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:40.640
because I feel like it's the richest part of her character.

666
00:33:40.680 --> 00:33:43.000
It's not that, Yeah, the lines are great, you complete me,

667
00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:45.720
I had you at Hello. There's a bunch of them

668
00:33:45.759 --> 00:33:48.480
in that movie, actually, But it's really the emotional connection

669
00:33:48.519 --> 00:33:50.720
that I think the audience has with her as a

670
00:33:50.839 --> 00:33:55.200
character who could be doing anything, anything, else going for

671
00:33:55.240 --> 00:33:58.960
any other guy. But there's something kind of innate that

672
00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:01.680
she's that's a part of her personality makes her connect

673
00:34:01.680 --> 00:34:04.279
with Jerry Wuire more more, not just because he's a

674
00:34:04.279 --> 00:34:07.039
handsome hunk and she respects his work or is our

675
00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:10.239
artistry or whatever it is, that there's really an emotional

676
00:34:10.239 --> 00:34:14.559
connection that comes from her and changes that changes everybody

677
00:34:14.559 --> 00:34:14.960
in the movie.

678
00:34:14.960 --> 00:34:17.559
I think, I just wonder how close she comes to

679
00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:21.960
not getting this because she does audition three times with

680
00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:25.159
Cruise for this, and they kind of play the waiting

681
00:34:25.159 --> 00:34:28.440
game with her. Like I said, I could see, I

682
00:34:28.440 --> 00:34:30.280
could see some of these other actresses that we talked,

683
00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:33.559
we're talking about maybe doing the role. I just wonder

684
00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:37.639
would they have been as as charming as sweet as

685
00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:41.360
rene Z Alwegger. I totally buy her being the widow,

686
00:34:42.039 --> 00:34:44.559
you know, mother, you know, trying to make it as

687
00:34:44.599 --> 00:34:48.559
a single mom struggling living with her sister because that's

688
00:34:48.599 --> 00:34:49.519
that's what you gotta do.

689
00:34:50.840 --> 00:34:53.440
I don't know, yeah, I don't. I get to see

690
00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:57.039
Jennie Garofflod do stand up back in the spring, maybe

691
00:34:57.079 --> 00:34:59.760
like March April this year, and it was it's kind

692
00:34:59.760 --> 00:35:01.719
of like a you know, homecoming nineties homecoming for me

693
00:35:01.719 --> 00:35:03.800
because I remember seeing her on MTV and in different

694
00:35:03.800 --> 00:35:05.920
movies and stuff. I think she's just a little bit

695
00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:09.480
too for that role. A little bit too cynical in

696
00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:12.280
a good way, a little bit too starky. I don't

697
00:35:12.280 --> 00:35:14.599
see Darthy Boyd going out and having a cigarette break

698
00:35:14.639 --> 00:35:18.000
and you know, wear no you know, a sweatshirt that

699
00:35:18.039 --> 00:35:19.920
hasn't been washed in seven months. It's just kind of

700
00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:23.280
Genia Garoffel actually joked about apparently she is this thing

701
00:35:23.320 --> 00:35:25.480
where when she goes out to have a smoke, so

702
00:35:25.679 --> 00:35:27.199
she kind of likes to stand by the trash can

703
00:35:27.280 --> 00:35:30.480
and I guess, ash your cigarette. So people what she

704
00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:33.440
said was consume her is like she's homeless, Like, oh,

705
00:35:33.440 --> 00:35:35.719
you shouldn't have to do handing or change. She's like,

706
00:35:35.960 --> 00:35:39.039
I'm not homeless, and then they'll recognize her. And I

707
00:35:39.039 --> 00:35:41.840
think that's kind of fun. That's like totally Genie Graffel, like,

708
00:35:42.360 --> 00:35:44.960
you know, ho hum me at people mistake me for

709
00:35:44.960 --> 00:35:46.920
a homeless person. I'm just trying to have a smoke.

710
00:35:47.360 --> 00:35:50.880
Definitely a different type of character than Darthy Boyd. And

711
00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:55.280
And like I just also saw Roman Michelle's high school reunion.

712
00:35:55.360 --> 00:35:57.360
She basically plays that character as kind of a smart

713
00:35:57.800 --> 00:35:59.639
you know, the like the the girl that they graduate

714
00:35:59.639 --> 00:36:02.440
with who's working at the store, and it's just, you know,

715
00:36:02.519 --> 00:36:04.239
from ten to five doesn't really want to be there.

716
00:36:04.519 --> 00:36:07.280
I don't think that that that's kind of her stick

717
00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:09.119
and I don't think that that is a natural fit

718
00:36:09.199 --> 00:36:11.719
for the character in Jery Maguire. That's just my perview.

719
00:36:11.840 --> 00:36:13.480
Well, I don't I don't see that. I don't really

720
00:36:13.519 --> 00:36:16.400
see chemistry between her and Tom when when you when

721
00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:19.039
you think about that. But I don't know. She's she's

722
00:36:19.039 --> 00:36:21.280
obviously she's a talent actress. I like her. I like

723
00:36:21.320 --> 00:36:23.360
when she goes when she goes against type, like when

724
00:36:23.360 --> 00:36:27.199
she played the when she was in cop Land with Stallone.

725
00:36:27.440 --> 00:36:28.880
She's not trying to be funny, She's not trying to

726
00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:32.760
be witty. She's just she's playing a police officer. And

727
00:36:32.400 --> 00:36:36.559
I don't know, I wonder I wonder about her. I'll

728
00:36:36.559 --> 00:36:38.559
tell you who I don't have to wonder about. Is

729
00:36:38.559 --> 00:36:42.960
is Kelly Preston playing Avery. You mentioned that when we

730
00:36:43.000 --> 00:36:47.480
started that you mentioned that very very awkward, very loud

731
00:36:47.519 --> 00:36:51.719
sex scene right at the end of this movie. Kelly Preston,

732
00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:54.360
you know, she was one of the she was one

733
00:36:54.360 --> 00:36:56.360
of the all time hots. You got to give it

734
00:36:56.400 --> 00:36:58.199
to her. She's you know, I think she's perfect in

735
00:36:58.199 --> 00:37:02.920
this role. Turns out Jennifer Conley was the first choice,

736
00:37:03.000 --> 00:37:05.719
but she turned it down. So I think it comes

737
00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:07.400
down to, you know, who's art You going to pick

738
00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:09.519
Betty or Veronica because you know, you can't go wrong

739
00:37:09.559 --> 00:37:11.079
with Kelly Preston, but you definitely are not gonna go

740
00:37:11.119 --> 00:37:12.920
wrong with Jennifer Connelly. In my world.

741
00:37:13.400 --> 00:37:14.960
Well, I think Kelly Preston is one of the more

742
00:37:15.079 --> 00:37:19.199
underrated actresses in that time period. But also she wasn't

743
00:37:19.239 --> 00:37:23.039
like she is a very footagetic Facebook wasn't you know,

744
00:37:23.079 --> 00:37:25.880
it wasn't as famous, I think as well, she hadn't

745
00:37:25.960 --> 00:37:29.599
done as many like independent type movies as you know. Yeah,

746
00:37:29.599 --> 00:37:32.079
I think she's a little bit older too. Just define

747
00:37:32.280 --> 00:37:35.960
the role for you know, jere Rewire's fiance, who's just

748
00:37:36.239 --> 00:37:39.440
you know, completely dialed into the whole cutthroat competitive thing,

749
00:37:39.480 --> 00:37:42.519
almost to the point that it's a little ridiculous. So

750
00:37:42.599 --> 00:37:44.800
when she ends up, I hope we're talking about Jay

751
00:37:44.840 --> 00:37:47.400
Moore here, because if actually ends up at least on

752
00:37:47.519 --> 00:37:50.199
screen with Bob Sugar at the end, just kind of

753
00:37:50.199 --> 00:37:53.079
points to the atmosphere that they're the playground that they're

754
00:37:53.119 --> 00:37:55.559
playing in and not unfriendly. The other kids in the

755
00:37:55.559 --> 00:37:59.199
playground are. So yeah, she nailed it. Maybe a relatively

756
00:37:59.239 --> 00:38:02.639
small role, but it yeah, just well.

757
00:38:02.679 --> 00:38:05.199
It's interesting to see her play someone that's not likable,

758
00:38:05.719 --> 00:38:08.199
like you. We're not supposed to like Avery at all.

759
00:38:08.480 --> 00:38:11.559
Even even when she's with Jerry, you're like, wow, dude,

760
00:38:11.800 --> 00:38:15.199
you can do better, you know, But I don't know,

761
00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:17.199
I did like her. I tell you who else I

762
00:38:17.239 --> 00:38:22.079
really like. Is Regina King playing Marcy Tidwell. So Janet

763
00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:25.719
Jackson originally auditioned and got the part. I don't know

764
00:38:25.760 --> 00:38:28.480
why she stepped away or why they went a different direction,

765
00:38:30.559 --> 00:38:32.480
but you could definitely say Regina King goes full method

766
00:38:32.519 --> 00:38:35.079
acting because she was in fact pregnant while filming this.

767
00:38:35.760 --> 00:38:38.280
You know, she has those those great lines like I'm sorry,

768
00:38:38.320 --> 00:38:40.239
I'm just a little pregnant right now, you know, when

769
00:38:40.239 --> 00:38:44.079
she gets a little upset about Rod's contract. Love Regina King.

770
00:38:44.400 --> 00:38:47.960
You mentioned Jay Moore as Bob Sugar. If this movie

771
00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:51.039
could have done anything better, it would have given us

772
00:38:51.559 --> 00:38:55.039
more Bob Sugar. I think I love this character. You know,

773
00:38:55.280 --> 00:38:57.960
Jerry's Jerry's nemesis, and I wish we would have had

774
00:38:57.960 --> 00:38:58.920
more of him in the role.

775
00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:01.039
Yeah, or maybe you know, if we're going to talk

776
00:39:01.039 --> 00:39:03.320
about the DVD extras or the the reboots, you know,

777
00:39:04.679 --> 00:39:07.000
Bob Sugar revenge or does he end up. I think

778
00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:09.079
of him as like the character that you want to see,

779
00:39:09.559 --> 00:39:12.039
Like I don't if you remember the Super Original Superman

780
00:39:12.239 --> 00:39:15.679
with Christopher Reeve where even though he grows up in

781
00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:18.639
Nebraska or whatever, I think I remember like the high

782
00:39:18.679 --> 00:39:21.719
school quarterback, Bully is like the janitor in his building

783
00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:24.719
in New York. I don't know. Yeah, you want him

784
00:39:24.760 --> 00:39:27.199
to have that kind of end where he's going to be,

785
00:39:28.280 --> 00:39:30.599
you know, slumming it because he's just such a jerk.

786
00:39:33.159 --> 00:39:35.800
But yeah, I mean he did a lot in small

787
00:39:35.840 --> 00:39:41.559
doses there. He played probably the archetypical corporate villain, you know,

788
00:39:41.800 --> 00:39:45.760
firing his mentor what else can you say? He just

789
00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:48.440
was a little without being too sleazy, he was he

790
00:39:48.519 --> 00:39:50.159
was coming. I think a lot of a lot of

791
00:39:50.199 --> 00:39:53.119
his character came out when the scene happens where Jerry

792
00:39:53.159 --> 00:39:55.360
goes back to the office, he's trying to call his clients.

793
00:39:55.920 --> 00:39:58.320
Bob Sugar and everybody else are picking the crime. Well,

794
00:39:58.400 --> 00:40:00.800
he's just saying whatever he like. You know, he's talking

795
00:40:00.800 --> 00:40:04.559
about some you know, to a quarterback or a wide receiver.

796
00:40:04.719 --> 00:40:06.519
You know that girl that you hooked up with and

797
00:40:06.559 --> 00:40:09.440
I don't know, Reno, what was her name? The name

798
00:40:09.519 --> 00:40:11.719
I remember, April. That's my job to remember the names

799
00:40:11.760 --> 00:40:14.320
of women that you get with on the road, and

800
00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:18.000
that I imagine that Probably not all sports agents are

801
00:40:18.039 --> 00:40:20.599
like that, but there's got to be plenty who you know,

802
00:40:20.599 --> 00:40:21.360
have to play that game.

803
00:40:21.400 --> 00:40:23.840
That's I've kind of I bet there's Yeah, I bet

804
00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:26.320
there's a lot of Bob Sugars out there. Uh, let's

805
00:40:26.400 --> 00:40:29.719
let's talk two cameos and uh before they were famous.

806
00:40:29.760 --> 00:40:33.440
So we got we got Glenn Frye as the Arizona

807
00:40:33.480 --> 00:40:36.920
Cardinals coach. Dennis Wilburn. I always thought he was a

808
00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:38.880
great actor. I wish you would have done more. You know.

809
00:40:38.960 --> 00:40:40.840
It's it's like you got, you got jere McGuire, you

810
00:40:40.920 --> 00:40:45.280
got you know, limited run on Miami Vice and not

811
00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:48.800
much else, right, But I believe him. I believe him

812
00:40:48.800 --> 00:40:50.159
as an NFL coach honestly.

813
00:40:50.679 --> 00:40:53.159
Yeah. I just love that southern California accent that's just

814
00:40:53.199 --> 00:40:56.679
so over pronounced with him like, hey, Jerry, you get

815
00:40:56.679 --> 00:40:58.840
to stand in the back of the line, like like

816
00:40:58.960 --> 00:41:00.760
you want him to say first her and you know,

817
00:41:00.960 --> 00:41:02.880
grab his surfboard and run out into the on the

818
00:41:02.920 --> 00:41:06.800
beach or something. Of course, I'm typecasting southern California accents,

819
00:41:06.800 --> 00:41:09.199
but I mean it's stuck out. I remember when my

820
00:41:09.239 --> 00:41:13.400
aunt Martha. I joked that my aunt Martha picked up

821
00:41:13.400 --> 00:41:16.559
though she says foreshore a lot, She's from Ohio, but

822
00:41:16.639 --> 00:41:18.800
her husband lived in southern California for a while when

823
00:41:18.840 --> 00:41:20.639
they thought they wanted to be there, and I think

824
00:41:20.639 --> 00:41:22.639
she came back with the same lingo and the same

825
00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:26.119
sort of you know, the the intonation that Glenn Fry

826
00:41:26.280 --> 00:41:28.960
uses speaking in that film. I know he's not trying

827
00:41:29.000 --> 00:41:31.119
to be Southern California, do but I was just like,

828
00:41:31.320 --> 00:41:33.719
rock on this Glenn Fry from the Eagles Man. You know,

829
00:41:33.760 --> 00:41:35.079
that's the kind of stuff you want to see if

830
00:41:35.079 --> 00:41:37.599
you're a fan of music or a fan of pop culture,

831
00:41:37.599 --> 00:41:39.320
to see these little extras or I don't know if

832
00:41:39.360 --> 00:41:42.599
you're gonna mention it. Jan Winner the head of Rolling Stone,

833
00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:45.159
playing the big Boss, So I don't think he has

834
00:41:45.199 --> 00:41:49.480
any any lines. He just looks menacingly over over the

835
00:41:49.840 --> 00:41:52.679
sales floor as Jerry McGuire's you know mixing his exit

836
00:41:52.760 --> 00:41:56.719
shakes his head. This Aaron is you know is.

837
00:41:56.840 --> 00:41:58.559
You want to you want to talk about this is?

838
00:41:58.639 --> 00:41:59.840
This is another one. A lot of people miss this,

839
00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:02.840
but you want to talk about the CopyMat.

840
00:42:02.360 --> 00:42:04.880
Guy Oh yeah, Jerry Cantrell.

841
00:42:04.760 --> 00:42:08.000
Jerry Cantrell, Alison Chains, Gary Chantrell. This is. This is

842
00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:10.920
his third time being directed by Cameron Crowe because he's

843
00:42:10.960 --> 00:42:14.400
in singles, and then Camra Crow directed the music video

844
00:42:14.480 --> 00:42:19.639
for Alison Chain's hit Wood. According to Cantrell, he did

845
00:42:19.719 --> 00:42:23.079
Jaymore's podcast. He said that he was cast because Crow

846
00:42:23.320 --> 00:42:25.159
wanted to see him wear a pair of doctors and

847
00:42:25.199 --> 00:42:27.880
a tie, which I love.

848
00:42:28.840 --> 00:42:31.239
It's I got to interview Jered Cantrell when I was

849
00:42:31.280 --> 00:42:33.840
writing for Rolling Stone, and what we talked about actually

850
00:42:34.000 --> 00:42:37.280
was the kind of the main thing about the article

851
00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:40.480
was his fantasy foot football league. He was there's a

852
00:42:40.519 --> 00:42:44.280
celebrity fantasy football league with a just off the hook,

853
00:42:44.480 --> 00:42:48.000
silent auction like the like the gifts were literally Elton

854
00:42:48.079 --> 00:42:51.719
John give gives you know, like his Vegas you know,

855
00:42:51.840 --> 00:42:53.880
like when he's doing a residency in Vegas, has like

856
00:42:53.920 --> 00:42:56.480
a box you know that you could watch the concert

857
00:42:56.519 --> 00:42:59.000
for thirty people and it's probably retail like ninety grand

858
00:42:59.159 --> 00:43:02.719
or something. Wow, guys, is like, I'm I don't think

859
00:43:02.840 --> 00:43:04.840
like a Hendrix guitar was in there, but maybe there was.

860
00:43:04.880 --> 00:43:07.239
Like he's just tell me what the gifts were, and

861
00:43:07.239 --> 00:43:09.159
he raised all the money from Wounded barri Or project.

862
00:43:09.199 --> 00:43:12.519
But we ended up just talking about I mean, Jerry

863
00:43:12.559 --> 00:43:14.679
Cantrell was great. He drops f bombs a lot. He's

864
00:43:14.719 --> 00:43:18.559
like effing this and effing that, and Physical Create Graffiti's

865
00:43:18.559 --> 00:43:22.039
my best efing album and like this, Like I at

866
00:43:22.039 --> 00:43:23.480
the end of the interview that I had with him

867
00:43:23.559 --> 00:43:24.960
was like a half an hour wasn't supposed to be

868
00:43:24.960 --> 00:43:27.159
at long. His bubble syst comes on. He's like, well,

869
00:43:27.159 --> 00:43:28.440
I guess you got him in a good mood talking

870
00:43:28.440 --> 00:43:31.599
about Physical Graffiti, because uh, he's not really the most

871
00:43:31.639 --> 00:43:35.480
warm and fuzzy guy if he doesn't know you. But yeah,

872
00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:38.000
it was great. I mean we've all known people the

873
00:43:38.039 --> 00:43:40.800
long haired dude who's kind of like got a little

874
00:43:40.800 --> 00:43:44.599
philosopher in him, who's working some menial job. That was

875
00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:48.880
something that you know nineties movies from Link Later to

876
00:43:49.360 --> 00:43:52.119
Crow to, you know, Tarantino picked up on sort of

877
00:43:52.119 --> 00:43:56.159
that that underbelly of society where there's smart, valuable people

878
00:43:56.159 --> 00:43:58.639
who just you know, don't give a crap about you know,

879
00:43:58.679 --> 00:44:00.519
making it in corporate America. I think that was just

880
00:44:00.559 --> 00:44:04.559
a little image of, you know, a character that Cameron

881
00:44:04.880 --> 00:44:06.760
Crowe probably wanted to put out there for a couple

882
00:44:06.760 --> 00:44:09.599
of movies and you know, all part but big impact.

883
00:44:09.599 --> 00:44:12.280
I think just like Bob Sugar played by j Moore.

884
00:44:12.920 --> 00:44:17.519
We got one before they were famous. So we start,

885
00:44:17.880 --> 00:44:20.320
we got Jerry's bachelor party. We're seeing all these ex

886
00:44:20.360 --> 00:44:25.199
girlfriends kind of smack talk about him, one of them,

887
00:44:25.920 --> 00:44:28.360
and this is four years before she'll breakout. In two

888
00:44:28.440 --> 00:44:32.559
thousand with Shanghai Noun and Charlie's Angels, we see Lucy

889
00:44:32.599 --> 00:44:35.320
Lou playing one of Jerry Maguire's ex girlfriends.

890
00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:38.159
I totally missed that very brief, but.

891
00:44:38.320 --> 00:44:40.360
Yeah, she's one of the he can't be alone, you know,

892
00:44:40.559 --> 00:44:42.440
we get that montage of people, he can't be alone.

893
00:44:42.519 --> 00:44:46.079
He definitely can't be alone. There's a very young Lucy Lou.

894
00:44:46.880 --> 00:44:50.639
All right, well, Annie, I say we take one last

895
00:44:50.679 --> 00:44:52.599
break and when we come back, it'd be time to

896
00:44:52.599 --> 00:44:58.280
start keeping it real. Welcome back. It is time to

897
00:44:58.400 --> 00:45:01.360
keep it real and you've answered these questions a couple

898
00:45:01.360 --> 00:45:04.800
of times with me. Now let's start with our first

899
00:45:04.880 --> 00:45:07.320
and maybe our favorite one, because we're talking about one

900
00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:10.519
of our favorite actors, Billy Zopka. Yeah, he was dominating

901
00:45:10.559 --> 00:45:13.599
dojo's high school cafeterias and college swimming pools in some

902
00:45:13.679 --> 00:45:16.000
of the best movies in the eighties, and then he

903
00:45:16.119 --> 00:45:20.360
was notably absent for most of the nineties in Hollywood.

904
00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:24.320
The question is, what about zob Let's replace one actor

905
00:45:24.320 --> 00:45:26.760
from this film with William Zopka, who do you got?

906
00:45:27.679 --> 00:45:30.519
Well, of course I'm thinking that, well, I don't really

907
00:45:30.559 --> 00:45:33.880
want to replace Jay Moore as Bob Shugar because we

908
00:45:33.920 --> 00:45:35.599
keep wanting to see more of them. But the so

909
00:45:35.639 --> 00:45:39.480
there's a little tiny cameo because he's a great actor

910
00:45:39.800 --> 00:45:42.360
where Eric Stultz has a little pep talk with Jeremy

911
00:45:42.400 --> 00:45:45.800
Pire Guardian you know, expresses that he's jealous of him,

912
00:45:45.840 --> 00:45:48.360
et cetera, et cetera, which is pretty much the narrative

913
00:45:48.360 --> 00:45:51.639
of all his you know, end quotes friends in the movie.

914
00:45:51.760 --> 00:45:53.800
I would have loved to see Billy Zaboc kind of

915
00:45:53.800 --> 00:45:57.079
have a role like that, like as some just you know,

916
00:45:58.079 --> 00:45:59.960
you wouldn't you wouldn't trust as far as you could

917
00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:02.079
Roman type of sports Asian that would be in an

918
00:46:02.079 --> 00:46:05.039
office probably, or maybe the guy in the sports Asian

919
00:46:05.079 --> 00:46:11.760
who you know, I think about, Oh, what's a character

920
00:46:11.840 --> 00:46:14.440
that's like, you know, he had his he had his

921
00:46:14.480 --> 00:46:16.519
big sales back in the early eighties, and he's still

922
00:46:16.559 --> 00:46:19.280
hanging around like almost like he is in Cobra Kai,

923
00:46:19.480 --> 00:46:22.880
like you know, past day is great stories, great anecdotes

924
00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:27.079
you want to go drinking with. But you know, but uh,

925
00:46:27.559 --> 00:46:30.599
it's just there for kind of the purpose of coloring

926
00:46:30.679 --> 00:46:33.440
the you know, the personality in the office. I don't

927
00:46:33.480 --> 00:46:38.199
know if those kind of characters work in big blockbuster

928
00:46:38.239 --> 00:46:40.519
films like this, because I'm more of an indie film guy,

929
00:46:40.519 --> 00:46:42.800
but I kind of want to see him just be

930
00:46:42.840 --> 00:46:44.599
showcased that way. It's just kind of like a regular

931
00:46:44.679 --> 00:46:47.039
dude who's also part of the part of the U.

932
00:46:48.000 --> 00:46:49.960
I guess the carousel of characters.

933
00:46:50.119 --> 00:46:53.239
Maybe maybe like Eric Stoltzer donal Low that's there. They're

934
00:46:53.280 --> 00:46:56.079
in the background like they're they're ready to stab him

935
00:46:56.079 --> 00:46:58.519
in the back, but they're also supporting him, uh well,

936
00:46:58.559 --> 00:46:59.320
and or.

937
00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:01.079
Also because he he's been removed from the rock and

938
00:47:01.159 --> 00:47:02.840
Roll Hall of fame because of things that he said

939
00:47:03.119 --> 00:47:05.760
Jen Wynner, you know, being the silent big boss who's

940
00:47:06.079 --> 00:47:09.079
staring down disapprovingly at Jerry McGuire's is he's making his

941
00:47:09.119 --> 00:47:11.639
exit with a fish. Maybe you can stick Bill Zapka

942
00:47:11.639 --> 00:47:14.679
and that where he you know, he's a little more confrontational,

943
00:47:14.719 --> 00:47:17.679
almost like he is in in back to school, like

944
00:47:17.719 --> 00:47:19.760
you know, the guy who wants you to get the

945
00:47:19.760 --> 00:47:21.360
hell out of the office and get out of here.

946
00:47:21.760 --> 00:47:24.000
He's gonna keep their masts like that. There had to

947
00:47:24.039 --> 00:47:25.679
be there should have been a little bit more hostility,

948
00:47:25.719 --> 00:47:28.880
I think in Jerry McGuire, given how much passive aggressive

949
00:47:28.960 --> 00:47:31.519
energy that there was between Jerry McGuire and pretty much

950
00:47:31.559 --> 00:47:33.840
everybody except for Dorothy Listen.

951
00:47:33.880 --> 00:47:36.920
I love I love j Moore, but I I want

952
00:47:36.920 --> 00:47:39.400
the Bob's the Bob sugar roll for him because I'd

953
00:47:39.440 --> 00:47:41.440
love to see their their face off in the restaurant

954
00:47:41.440 --> 00:47:44.079
when he fires Jerry McGuire and then kind of puts

955
00:47:44.079 --> 00:47:46.639
it back, like what do you stop thinking about yourself

956
00:47:46.679 --> 00:47:49.199
for a second? What about me? You know, I would

957
00:47:49.239 --> 00:47:50.920
have loved to see Zopka do something like that. But

958
00:47:51.760 --> 00:47:56.199
let's talk SEQL prequel remake. Andy, if you controlled this ip.

959
00:47:57.119 --> 00:47:59.199
What would be your pitch to the studio to revive it?

960
00:47:59.280 --> 00:48:00.679
Are you gonna give us? You gotta do a Jerry

961
00:48:00.719 --> 00:48:03.199
Maguire sequel, a prequel? Are you going to remake it?

962
00:48:03.800 --> 00:48:05.159
So? I think as long as you do it fun,

963
00:48:05.199 --> 00:48:06.960
you have you let Tom cruise by who he is.

964
00:48:08.119 --> 00:48:11.639
I think you could do a sequel where he's massively

965
00:48:11.639 --> 00:48:15.519
successful now and maybe he's, you know, SMI Sports Management

966
00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:18.840
International isn't doing so well and he's got to throw

967
00:48:18.840 --> 00:48:22.320
a bone to I don't know, maybe an underling agent

968
00:48:22.519 --> 00:48:24.840
or who knows. I don't even know what the plot

969
00:48:24.840 --> 00:48:26.599
would be, but I kind of want to see him,

970
00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:30.119
you know, fast forward thirty years later successful, and then

971
00:48:30.159 --> 00:48:33.679
he's got one last you know, one last piece of

972
00:48:33.679 --> 00:48:36.840
good that he's got to do for society. Maybe, you know,

973
00:48:36.960 --> 00:48:41.239
maybe he picks up somebody who's been cut from a

974
00:48:41.280 --> 00:48:44.440
team because of a dui or because of some other thing,

975
00:48:44.519 --> 00:48:48.920
and you know, pluck some kid out of the Canadian

976
00:48:48.920 --> 00:48:52.719
Football League, or maybe like a female player who's such

977
00:48:52.760 --> 00:48:55.920
a damn good placekicker that it's no way that she

978
00:48:55.920 --> 00:48:57.960
shouldn't be in the NFL. And he's the one who's

979
00:48:58.320 --> 00:49:00.920
brave enough to get our contry and get her playing

980
00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:05.719
and interesting, very interesting. That's uh, that's my kind of

981
00:49:05.760 --> 00:49:08.679
wild ball plot. But I would like to see Jerry Maguire,

982
00:49:08.760 --> 00:49:10.679
you know, in the future kind of doing one more thing,

983
00:49:12.599 --> 00:49:14.480
you know, for the good of sports.

984
00:49:14.719 --> 00:49:17.039
I'm with you. I want a legacy sequel.

985
00:49:17.679 --> 00:49:18.159
I want it.

986
00:49:18.079 --> 00:49:22.360
Directed by Cameron Crowe, right, starring Tom Cruise, And I

987
00:49:22.400 --> 00:49:26.719
got Jerry facing retirement from a lifelong career in the

988
00:49:26.719 --> 00:49:30.440
sports agency, and now he's feeling lost and unnecessary in

989
00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:34.360
a world without Dorothy because she's gone to you know,

990
00:49:34.400 --> 00:49:36.519
because this this whole movie is about crisis, right and

991
00:49:36.639 --> 00:49:39.320
him finding a new way, And that's that's I kind

992
00:49:39.320 --> 00:49:43.360
of want that. But more importantly, I want Cush and

993
00:49:43.480 --> 00:49:47.840
rod Tidwell as supporting characters doing color commedary for Monday

994
00:49:47.880 --> 00:49:52.360
Night Football. And I'm gonna call it McGuire retires just

995
00:49:52.360 --> 00:49:53.519
because it rolls off the tongue.

996
00:49:54.159 --> 00:49:56.559
So yeah, does he have a strained relationship with Roy?

997
00:49:56.679 --> 00:49:58.079
Is Roy sto wearing glasses? Now?

998
00:49:59.039 --> 00:50:02.400
Uh, let's let's say that they got a strong relationship,

999
00:50:02.639 --> 00:50:04.920
all right. I'm seeing I'm seeing where something happened to Dorothy, like,

1000
00:50:04.960 --> 00:50:08.079
you know, they lost her maybe ten years into their

1001
00:50:08.119 --> 00:50:11.840
their marriage, and you know, the father son thing is there.

1002
00:50:12.039 --> 00:50:14.159
You know, I don't know. I think I think Crek

1003
00:50:14.199 --> 00:50:14.840
could pull it off.

1004
00:50:15.440 --> 00:50:17.239
This reminds me of when we talked about Swingers and

1005
00:50:17.280 --> 00:50:21.800
you said the sequel should have Jonathan Fabreuau widow widower

1006
00:50:22.360 --> 00:50:25.559
and you know, kind of along the same line real

1007
00:50:25.599 --> 00:50:28.039
life and what you gotta do to kind of pick

1008
00:50:28.119 --> 00:50:29.199
up the pieces after your laugh.

1009
00:50:29.920 --> 00:50:32.079
Sometimes you need that. It's a hard it's a it's

1010
00:50:32.159 --> 00:50:35.400
it's it's a feel good movie. Uh. Let's talk DVD

1011
00:50:35.519 --> 00:50:39.719
extras UH, nineteen ninety six. The DVD format is initially

1012
00:50:39.760 --> 00:50:43.599
introduced to US markets. We love the high definition, we love.

1013
00:50:45.039 --> 00:50:46.440
We love well, we don't I'll tell you what we

1014
00:50:46.440 --> 00:50:48.280
don't love. We don't love the the extras because we

1015
00:50:48.320 --> 00:50:50.519
get like French and Spanish subtitles. We get a trailer

1016
00:50:50.559 --> 00:50:54.280
if we're lucky. Yeah, any what DVD extra would you

1017
00:50:54.360 --> 00:50:58.039
want on your Jerry Maguire DVD? You can have here's

1018
00:50:58.039 --> 00:50:59.840
your I'm gonna give you three choices. You can have

1019
00:50:59.840 --> 00:51:02.599
an in character audio commentary, so like one of the

1020
00:51:02.679 --> 00:51:06.519
characters doing the audio commentary as their character. You can

1021
00:51:06.559 --> 00:51:10.159
have a making up documentary, or we recently changed this

1022
00:51:10.559 --> 00:51:13.199
to the Amber Lewis Actors round Table. You can pick

1023
00:51:13.199 --> 00:51:15.400
three people from the movie and do like a little

1024
00:51:16.159 --> 00:51:18.320
little roundtable conversation with them.

1025
00:51:18.960 --> 00:51:21.440
I would say the first option the in the End character,

1026
00:51:21.599 --> 00:51:24.639
because you know, I think the best one ever was.

1027
00:51:24.719 --> 00:51:26.519
I guess it was the Hangover three with mister Chow

1028
00:51:26.760 --> 00:51:29.280
telling you that, you know, Ken Jong doesn't really exist

1029
00:51:29.360 --> 00:51:31.960
and mister Chow is actually a real international criminal who

1030
00:51:31.960 --> 00:51:34.239
forced his way under the film made up does Ken

1031
00:51:34.320 --> 00:51:37.599
Jong just to do what you know? Ken Jong? Oh

1032
00:51:37.639 --> 00:51:40.719
what am I doing here? Yeah, something like that with

1033
00:51:41.559 --> 00:51:44.159
I don't know Rod Tidwell or even like I would

1034
00:51:44.199 --> 00:51:46.800
love to see an extra like Rod Tidwell makes in

1035
00:51:46.840 --> 00:51:48.760
the NFL, gets a little bit too big of a head,

1036
00:51:49.000 --> 00:51:52.480
starts a hip hop career and you know, doesn't really

1037
00:51:52.480 --> 00:51:55.039
take off. He's got a bad video where he's just

1038
00:51:55.639 --> 00:51:59.920
you know, loses his one his one record deal gond

1039
00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:02.800
track after after trying to go a little bit too

1040
00:52:03.000 --> 00:52:05.079
mc hammer, a little bit too NWA, too late. I

1041
00:52:05.119 --> 00:52:06.039
don't know, I.

1042
00:52:06.039 --> 00:52:07.760
Feel like Rod Tidwell if he was going to release

1043
00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:10.679
an album, it'd be like Eddie Murphy when he did

1044
00:52:10.719 --> 00:52:14.199
a party all the time yep, you know, like a

1045
00:52:14.360 --> 00:52:16.960
flash in the pan kind of thing. I want the

1046
00:52:17.039 --> 00:52:20.599
end character audio commentary, And don't get me wrong, it's

1047
00:52:20.639 --> 00:52:23.760
probably not gonna be that informative. I want. I want

1048
00:52:23.840 --> 00:52:26.320
Kush to do it. He'd just be so laid back,

1049
00:52:26.360 --> 00:52:28.320
so quiet, like he'd go like minutes without it. You

1050
00:52:28.320 --> 00:52:30.440
can say anything, and he'd be like he'd get cush

1051
00:52:30.519 --> 00:52:33.880
lash just seeing himself. I don't know.

1052
00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:38.719
Cush going to be, but it's Kush gonna be Tom Brady.

1053
00:52:38.800 --> 00:52:41.280
Is he gonna be Johnny Manziel, because that'd be interesting

1054
00:52:41.320 --> 00:52:43.480
if he was a bus like Jenny Manziel and we

1055
00:52:43.599 --> 00:52:45.679
got to get the whole documentary version of the story

1056
00:52:45.960 --> 00:52:46.960
why he didn't. It's funny.

1057
00:52:47.199 --> 00:52:51.239
It's funny you say that because the NFL produced a

1058
00:52:51.280 --> 00:52:55.360
couple mockumentaries in twenty seventeen called a Football Life. They

1059
00:52:55.360 --> 00:53:01.000
did one about Cush and apparently he his career is

1060
00:53:01.079 --> 00:53:04.440
very short lived because he, uh he develops a severe

1061
00:53:04.480 --> 00:53:06.760
case of athleteses foot, so he he kind of goes

1062
00:53:06.800 --> 00:53:10.639
on to uh do charity work helping kids that also

1063
00:53:10.679 --> 00:53:13.400
have athletes foot. And then they did they did a

1064
00:53:13.480 --> 00:53:16.079
Rod Tidwell one where where Tidwell is actually very He

1065
00:53:16.360 --> 00:53:19.119
goes on to prominence basically and then turns down one

1066
00:53:19.119 --> 00:53:22.719
of the biggest contracts of all time because the quand

1067
00:53:22.840 --> 00:53:25.239
wasn't there, and he, you know, he he decides that

1068
00:53:25.280 --> 00:53:26.840
he's going to retire early to be with his family.

1069
00:53:26.920 --> 00:53:30.880
So they're fun, you know, get you know, like we said,

1070
00:53:30.920 --> 00:53:33.400
you can find anything online, find them. You'd have some

1071
00:53:33.440 --> 00:53:36.079
fun because everyone came back to play themselves, you know.

1072
00:53:36.320 --> 00:53:39.400
And uh, honestly, Bob Sugar, you know, in prison running

1073
00:53:39.440 --> 00:53:45.119
a prison gang as a cartel for uh I don't know,

1074
00:53:45.719 --> 00:53:49.800
still gotten games from blackmailing athletes on the field.

1075
00:53:51.360 --> 00:53:53.920
Let's talk about this film's legacy. Uh any would you

1076
00:53:53.960 --> 00:53:56.519
say this is a classic, a cult classic, or just

1077
00:53:56.559 --> 00:53:57.599
a product of its time.

1078
00:53:58.320 --> 00:53:59.639
I think it coould be a classic. It's tell me

1079
00:54:00.039 --> 00:54:03.079
could Claskins didn't fail at the box office. For as

1080
00:54:03.119 --> 00:54:04.719
much as Camera Crup probably wants to have a cold

1081
00:54:04.719 --> 00:54:06.599
classic in his career, I don't. I think he's just

1082
00:54:06.639 --> 00:54:09.719
too big successful ever have one. I think this is

1083
00:54:09.719 --> 00:54:11.840
a classic. I think it really has everything. You got

1084
00:54:11.840 --> 00:54:13.440
to give it a chance and kind of give it

1085
00:54:13.480 --> 00:54:16.159
past your own biases. If you don't like sports or

1086
00:54:16.159 --> 00:54:19.559
you don't like Tom Cruise that to see if there's

1087
00:54:19.559 --> 00:54:21.039
a lot of there's a lot. It's a lot deeper

1088
00:54:21.039 --> 00:54:22.679
than it looks like on the surface. And I think

1089
00:54:22.679 --> 00:54:25.960
maybe as part of the I think if I'm reading

1090
00:54:26.320 --> 00:54:27.920
I might be reading too much into it. It there's a

1091
00:54:27.960 --> 00:54:30.760
sort of slight of hand that Camra Crow is playing

1092
00:54:30.840 --> 00:54:34.280
by putting the superficial character in the mix. Everything's working

1093
00:54:34.360 --> 00:54:36.639
for him on the front, and then it all goes

1094
00:54:36.679 --> 00:54:39.400
to hell and he has to actually handle that aspect

1095
00:54:39.440 --> 00:54:42.840
of his life, which isn't life threatening. It's just a

1096
00:54:42.840 --> 00:54:45.880
big change. So I think that makes the movie deeper

1097
00:54:45.920 --> 00:54:47.400
than I think a lot of people have to credit for,

1098
00:54:48.320 --> 00:54:51.320
and not just Tom Cruise, but I think some of

1099
00:54:51.360 --> 00:54:55.440
the other actors, particularly bernez el Lager bring that to light.

1100
00:54:55.440 --> 00:54:57.440
Bonnie Hunt brings that to light. I think it's just

1101
00:54:58.480 --> 00:55:02.519
it's a world's collide between the glamor of sports and

1102
00:55:02.559 --> 00:55:05.199
fame and money with the everyday you know family that's

1103
00:55:05.239 --> 00:55:07.719
just trying to trying to get by and a lively

1104
00:55:07.760 --> 00:55:08.199
good life.

1105
00:55:08.760 --> 00:55:14.599
Yeah, Crow Crow Crews, Football Romance. It's classic and you

1106
00:55:14.599 --> 00:55:16.320
don't have to like. You don't have to like all

1107
00:55:16.320 --> 00:55:18.559
of all of them. But I don't know anyone that

1108
00:55:18.599 --> 00:55:21.400
doesn't like at least one of them. So, uh, definitely

1109
00:55:21.400 --> 00:55:24.480
a classic. Let's talk about how this film impacted pop culture.

1110
00:55:25.360 --> 00:55:27.519
I think some of the most memorable movie quotes of

1111
00:55:27.559 --> 00:55:31.000
the nineties you had me at hello, you complete me

1112
00:55:31.440 --> 00:55:33.719
show me the money. You know how often did you

1113
00:55:33.760 --> 00:55:36.679
hear those in everyday conversation for years?

1114
00:55:37.039 --> 00:55:40.000
Right, yeah, you're never going to say that. Now show

1115
00:55:40.000 --> 00:55:41.679
me the money and have someone be like, Oh, that's

1116
00:55:41.719 --> 00:55:43.800
that's a really cool saying. I've never heard that before. Like,

1117
00:55:43.840 --> 00:55:46.360
it's just I mean it was in a trailer. It

1118
00:55:46.519 --> 00:55:50.400
just stood out from the beginning, and yeah, it's it's

1119
00:55:50.119 --> 00:55:53.239
a I think classic films tend to tend to be

1120
00:55:53.280 --> 00:55:55.679
classic because they have classic moments like that as well.

1121
00:55:55.840 --> 00:56:00.199
They've got memorable taglines or scenes where as soon as

1122
00:56:00.199 --> 00:56:03.719
you first book second, see something on frame, you know

1123
00:56:03.760 --> 00:56:06.039
exactly what that movie is without even thinking, which is

1124
00:56:06.079 --> 00:56:08.519
baked into the psyche at that point.

1125
00:56:09.400 --> 00:56:12.239
Secret Garden was a popular staple at weddings in the

1126
00:56:12.280 --> 00:56:16.599
late nineties. Today, it's the eleventh most streamed Bruce Springsteen

1127
00:56:16.719 --> 00:56:21.239
song on Spotify, with forty eight thousand plus daily streams.

1128
00:56:21.880 --> 00:56:25.000
I find that hard to believe honestly, forty eight forty

1129
00:56:25.000 --> 00:56:28.079
eight thousand people are listening to Secret Garden nowadays. I

1130
00:56:28.119 --> 00:56:32.960
don't know, but many agents agree that Jerry McGuire was

1131
00:56:33.000 --> 00:56:36.320
responsible for an increased amount of young people becoming interested

1132
00:56:36.920 --> 00:56:40.639
in the agency business, and allegedly it sped up some

1133
00:56:40.719 --> 00:56:45.760
necessary changes in that business. This one. I read this,

1134
00:56:46.159 --> 00:56:47.920
I read this, Andy, and I don't know if I agree,

1135
00:56:48.000 --> 00:56:49.840
if I believe it. If I agree, I definitely don't

1136
00:56:49.880 --> 00:56:54.119
agree with it. Though AFI ranked Jerry maguire as the

1137
00:56:54.159 --> 00:56:57.920
tenth best sports movie of all time. That can't be.

1138
00:56:58.440 --> 00:56:59.480
I feel like it's champire.

1139
00:57:00.239 --> 00:57:03.519
You should know all you want? You said, you're saying higher, Okay, interesting.

1140
00:57:03.519 --> 00:57:06.440
Yeah, I mean there's well in terms of storytelling, it's unique.

1141
00:57:06.480 --> 00:57:09.519
I mean, yeah, a lot of the I'm assuming that

1142
00:57:09.519 --> 00:57:12.719
probably the top of them are about the athlete. It's rocky,

1143
00:57:12.800 --> 00:57:16.599
it's field of dreams. It's maybe even angels in the outfield,

1144
00:57:16.599 --> 00:57:18.440
even though that's kind of dated Brian song.

1145
00:57:18.519 --> 00:57:20.639
I mean, there's there's plenty of great stuff that I think,

1146
00:57:20.719 --> 00:57:23.239
like when you think AFI, you're thinking a little more prestigious,

1147
00:57:23.880 --> 00:57:27.079
you know, but maybe a little more pretentious. But I

1148
00:57:27.119 --> 00:57:29.960
don't know, you know, you gotta lean hard into jere

1149
00:57:30.039 --> 00:57:32.360
mcguar being a sports movie for it to be the

1150
00:57:32.400 --> 00:57:33.480
in the top ten of all time.

1151
00:57:33.519 --> 00:57:36.440
I think, well, I mean, the thing is that it

1152
00:57:36.480 --> 00:57:40.400
tells the story of the sports as not just an industry,

1153
00:57:40.440 --> 00:57:43.440
but as kind of one of the cornerstones of American life.

1154
00:57:43.880 --> 00:57:46.280
That even even people who don't really like or follow

1155
00:57:46.280 --> 00:57:51.519
sports daily are touched by sports, and regional differences are

1156
00:57:52.079 --> 00:57:55.800
highlighted by sports, and you know, it's just it's I

1157
00:57:55.880 --> 00:58:01.000
think it's just unique in that it brings to movie

1158
00:58:01.039 --> 00:58:03.079
audiences a lot of things that they never thought about.

1159
00:58:03.079 --> 00:58:03.119
It.

1160
00:58:03.239 --> 00:58:05.559
You could have a movie, you could have a film

1161
00:58:05.639 --> 00:58:09.039
about a sports changent, just like there's lots of films

1162
00:58:09.079 --> 00:58:11.840
about lawyers and you're like, okay, they're a lawyer, who cares,

1163
00:58:11.880 --> 00:58:14.360
you know, they do lawyer things. And maybe it's the

1164
00:58:14.480 --> 00:58:17.559
crime in the lawyer film that is interesting. I'm thinking

1165
00:58:17.760 --> 00:58:20.639
mainly of light cares and Ford films and from the nineties.

1166
00:58:20.679 --> 00:58:25.679
But yeah, there's the characters. Really, they're real people. They're

1167
00:58:25.679 --> 00:58:28.960
not just you know, people in office playing a kind

1168
00:58:28.960 --> 00:58:31.039
of industry role. And I think I feel like it

1169
00:58:31.039 --> 00:58:34.199
should be higher. Maybe if you said it's listed as

1170
00:58:34.199 --> 00:58:35.480
the tenth Best Sports Movie.

1171
00:58:35.880 --> 00:58:38.320
AFI ranks it as the tenth best sports movie of

1172
00:58:38.320 --> 00:58:38.800
all time.

1173
00:58:39.280 --> 00:58:41.000
I mean it steffily top ten, maybe a little bit higher.

1174
00:58:41.000 --> 00:58:42.760
I wouldn't put it at number one, but I think

1175
00:58:42.840 --> 00:58:44.119
it's all right.

1176
00:58:44.119 --> 00:58:46.920
Well, I'll tell you. I'll tell you what you got

1177
00:58:46.920 --> 00:58:49.400
me thinking. You know, we're gonna wrap up this nineteen

1178
00:58:49.440 --> 00:58:52.920
ninety six series in the next couple of months. I

1179
00:58:52.920 --> 00:58:54.239
think you got to come back at some point and

1180
00:58:54.239 --> 00:58:56.360
do we got to do like a top ten sports movie.

1181
00:58:56.360 --> 00:58:58.280
So we got to do our top five sports movies.

1182
00:58:58.320 --> 00:59:00.920
See what I'd love to hear the you know, the

1183
00:59:00.960 --> 00:59:03.639
Andy Fry top five, you know, especially if jere McGuire

1184
00:59:04.320 --> 00:59:07.440
should be higher. So now you got me wondering.

1185
00:59:07.519 --> 00:59:10.320
But I think I'll start deliberating.

1186
00:59:10.840 --> 00:59:13.760
All right, Yeah, get started, man, Listen. I know you're

1187
00:59:13.760 --> 00:59:15.480
coming back in November to talk more in nineteen ninety

1188
00:59:15.519 --> 00:59:19.719
six with us. In the meantime, I understand there's there's

1189
00:59:19.760 --> 00:59:22.280
some new developments with ninety days in the nineties. Can

1190
00:59:22.320 --> 00:59:24.840
you talk about any of that or I.

1191
00:59:24.760 --> 00:59:27.760
Could talk a little bit about it. Yeah. So almost

1192
00:59:27.760 --> 00:59:29.960
a year ago, back in the fall of last year

1193
00:59:29.960 --> 00:59:34.320
twenty twenty three, a producer, producer reached out to me

1194
00:59:34.360 --> 00:59:38.039
and we had some conversations and what happened was Nine

1195
00:59:38.079 --> 00:59:40.880
Days in the nineties ended up being optioned for film

1196
00:59:40.920 --> 00:59:44.440
Slash TV. So yeah, there's kind of a standard type

1197
00:59:44.440 --> 00:59:46.159
of contract you look for as a writer to make

1198
00:59:46.199 --> 00:59:47.639
sure that you know it's a good deal for you

1199
00:59:47.760 --> 00:59:50.599
and not being like a best selling offered author by

1200
00:59:50.599 --> 00:59:52.960
any means, you know. It was more just kind of

1201
00:59:52.960 --> 00:59:57.079
an honor to have somebody interested. But yeah, there is

1202
00:59:57.119 --> 01:00:00.519
so right now screening across America. There's a an indie

1203
01:00:00.559 --> 01:00:04.920
film called The Unexpected, directed by a guy named Alejandro

1204
01:00:05.440 --> 01:00:09.559
Montoya Marin. He trained under and did some work with

1205
01:00:09.639 --> 01:00:13.000
Robert Rodriguez. And so the movie The Unexpected. I haven't

1206
01:00:13.000 --> 01:00:14.360
seen it yet. I'm waiting for it to come to

1207
01:00:14.400 --> 01:00:16.800
Chicago Film Fest. I think we're waiting to see if

1208
01:00:16.800 --> 01:00:19.679
it when it will be out here. But uh, it

1209
01:00:19.760 --> 01:00:21.920
stars Matt Waalsh. She's been in a couple of really

1210
01:00:22.000 --> 01:00:25.639
great time Phillips movies, and you know, he's an old

1211
01:00:25.679 --> 01:00:29.159
school and so on. Uh he And I guess a

1212
01:00:29.159 --> 01:00:31.119
bunch of people my age get scammed by somebody on

1213
01:00:31.159 --> 01:00:33.239
the internet who's like a bitcoin dealer or something like that,

1214
01:00:33.679 --> 01:00:35.440
and they all decided to go after him, and as

1215
01:00:35.480 --> 01:00:39.960
I understand it, hold the hostage and uh so it's dark,

1216
01:00:40.320 --> 01:00:42.480
dark comedy. I think I just saw that the director,

1217
01:00:43.199 --> 01:00:46.199
Montoya Marin posted something on Instagram that it's screening at

1218
01:00:46.199 --> 01:00:49.519
the New York City Latino Film Festival sometime in the

1219
01:00:49.519 --> 01:00:52.599
next couple It just announced today, So yeah, he's uh,

1220
01:00:52.639 --> 01:00:54.920
he's the director. I've talked to him a little bit

1221
01:00:54.920 --> 01:00:56.480
and got the meet him person when he was here

1222
01:00:56.519 --> 01:01:00.119
briefly the summer. Beyond that, you know, it's it's uh.

1223
01:01:00.480 --> 01:01:01.719
I guess you could say it's going to be a

1224
01:01:02.039 --> 01:01:06.199
looks like it's going to be an independent film. I

1225
01:01:06.239 --> 01:01:08.920
guess they're hard at work at writing the script. And

1226
01:01:08.960 --> 01:01:10.559
it's not like I have any saying that I'm not.

1227
01:01:10.800 --> 01:01:13.679
I'm taking this lightly, like this isn't about egos. It's

1228
01:01:13.760 --> 01:01:17.480
just about, you know, the opportunity for for my little

1229
01:01:17.519 --> 01:01:21.360
world of the nineties and the best music decade of

1230
01:01:21.400 --> 01:01:23.119
the twentieth centuries. I would think, you know, kind of

1231
01:01:23.119 --> 01:01:25.960
being brought to life. And I'm sure there's gonna be

1232
01:01:25.960 --> 01:01:28.920
a little bit more news going forward, but you know,

1233
01:01:29.079 --> 01:01:31.119
I'll let you know when i'm allowed, when I know more,

1234
01:01:31.199 --> 01:01:35.239
When I'm allowed to, I guess to volte. Yeah. So

1235
01:01:36.039 --> 01:01:37.360
it's like Bob, It's like Bob.

1236
01:01:37.400 --> 01:01:40.039
So it's like Bob Sugar said, it's it's not show friends,

1237
01:01:40.039 --> 01:01:42.320
it's show business. So I look forward to hearing more

1238
01:01:42.360 --> 01:01:46.519
about this. Meanwhile, you know, where can we where can

1239
01:01:46.599 --> 01:01:49.800
the listeners? Uh? Where can they read your your work?

1240
01:01:49.800 --> 01:01:51.320
Where can they Where can they get the book?

1241
01:01:51.960 --> 01:01:53.559
Yeah? You can definitely get the book on Amazon or

1242
01:01:53.599 --> 01:01:56.000
Barnes and Noble. Where do you buy books? Obviously, if

1243
01:01:56.000 --> 01:01:58.800
you want to, you know, throw a hat tip to

1244
01:01:58.840 --> 01:02:02.320
your local uh, you know, independent bookstore. They can order

1245
01:02:02.480 --> 01:02:04.079
probably get it for you in a couple of days,

1246
01:02:04.079 --> 01:02:06.599
just like any bookstore would give them the business for sure.

1247
01:02:07.559 --> 01:02:10.079
And beyond that, like, if you want to read my

1248
01:02:10.119 --> 01:02:13.440
sports writing writing a little bit about you know, football

1249
01:02:13.480 --> 01:02:16.480
and soccer and different things, that's at Sporty Fried with

1250
01:02:16.519 --> 01:02:18.480
an Eesportyfriy dot com. It'll take you right to my

1251
01:02:19.400 --> 01:02:20.320
column on Forbes.

1252
01:02:21.599 --> 01:02:26.199
Andy Fry, you are my ambassador of quand and I

1253
01:02:26.239 --> 01:02:28.519
thank you for enjoying. I thank you for joining me today.

1254
01:02:28.519 --> 01:02:30.639
Man, Yeah, thanks for let me come on and talk

1255
01:02:30.639 --> 01:02:32.360
about the great movies in the nineties.

1256
01:02:33.039 --> 01:02:36.840
We'll do we'll definitely be doing it again listeners. We

1257
01:02:36.920 --> 01:02:39.039
obviously want to thank all of you for listening to

1258
01:02:39.039 --> 01:02:42.559
today's nineteen ninety six episode. We are approaching the completion

1259
01:02:42.639 --> 01:02:45.239
of this limited series, and if we haven't covered your

1260
01:02:45.280 --> 01:02:48.039
favorite from nineteen ninety six, there's still time to hit

1261
01:02:48.119 --> 01:02:50.360
us up on social media or email us to share

1262
01:02:50.400 --> 01:02:53.360
your requests. You can do that at a film by

1263
01:02:53.440 --> 01:02:56.079
podcast dot com or hit us up on social media.

1264
01:02:56.119 --> 01:02:59.440
You'll find us on Facebook, Instagram, and x We got

1265
01:02:59.440 --> 01:03:02.599
a bounce. But next time on nineteen ninety six, we'll

1266
01:03:02.599 --> 01:03:07.480
talk bootlegging, bloodshed, and Bruce Willis with Walter Hill's last

1267
01:03:07.519 --> 01:03:09.559
man standing, he'ce outh