Sept. 29, 2024

1996: Last Man Standing

1996: Last Man Standing
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Season 51996

Join us for a nostalgic trip back to the year 1996! We're exploring the culture, the music, and the message that films in 1996 offered, to determine whether they're classics, cult classics, or a product of their time! Andrew and Jeff discuss peak Bruce Willis, and adapting Akira Kurosawa in Walter Hill's Last Man Standing. 

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These are the movies of nineteen ninety six. What's up, everybody.

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I'm Jeff Johnson from a Film by podcast, and I'm

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hoping you're down for this dope series we've been doing.

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We've broken down the fresh films of nineteen eighty six,

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we examined the gritty cinemascape of nineteen seventy six, and

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now it's time to check out the hella good flicks

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of nineteen ninety six. My co host today has spent

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most of his life on the dodge, drunk or sober.

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He's got no complaints. My good friend, Andrew Blakeley.

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How are you doing? Jeff, so glad to be here.

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I'm glad to have you.

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Man.

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It's ninety six we were you know.

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We're actually doing movies that was alive for now. That's good.

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Absolutely. I thought it was time to bring you more

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in the decks here. Well, I do want to talk

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today Andrew about an American retelling of a Japanese classic,

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So the Ring No, think more, think more action, think

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more gunfights.

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Oh, the Magnificent Seven.

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Not quite. Let me help you out here. It's a

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retelling of the classic Yojimbo story, but made with one

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of our generation's greatest action icons.

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Oh well, that's obvious, then, Paul Blart Mall cop two,

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classic cinematic gold.

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I'm about I'm grabbing the bottle right now. I'm gonna

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I'm gonna go ahead and pull myself a double. We are

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talking once again, Andrew. We are talking about Bruce Willis,

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and this time it is Last Man Standing. He's pulling

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off the con of a lifetime. This man is here

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to make some money in the action can fail them

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of the year he shot some of my guys.

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What was it deserved that Bruce Willis's best movie ever?

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Last Man Is I Shoot him Up? Slam bang action bonanza.

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It might be a good time for you guys to

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give up Bruce Willis in a Walter Hill Hill Last

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Man is Scanda.

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It's such a nice guy.

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Rated R starts Friday at a theater near you. A

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drifting gunslinger for hire finds himself in the middle of

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an ongoing war between the Irish and the Italian mafia

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in a Prohibition era ghost town. Andrew, this first time

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watched for yours? Did you grow up on.

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This un Uh? No? I think I watched it once

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when I was a kid. But I just I kind

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of forgot about it as just some boring gangster movie.

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You know, as a kid, it didn't really land, so

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I was vaguely aware of it.

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But okay, so I'm keenan aphraser. You said that some

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boring gangster movie. Let me take you back to nineteen

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ninety six. Last Man Standing was considered a failure for

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New Line Cinema. Had a worldwide gross of forty seven

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point three million against a budget of sixty seven million.

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Critics overall weren't kind, offering up mixed to average reviews. Andrew,

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I was gonna ask you were they wrong about this?

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But now you know, Andrew Blakely back in nineteen ninety

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six is feeling this kind of kind of way, what's up?

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Yeah, it's definitely grown on me a little bit. There's

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a lot to like about this movie. There's a lot

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of things it does well. Overall, it felt a little needless.

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I mean, we can kind of get into the nitpicky

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stuff later, but it was okay, it was decent. You know,

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if I'm a film reviewer, I'm not gonna, you know,

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bash the thing. But I'm also not gonna be like,

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you've got to get out and see this one either,

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you know.

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Yeah, I remember I didn't see this one in the theaters.

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But as soon as I found this on the shelf

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at Blockbuster, I was a little bothered that I didn't

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go out and see it in the theater because, you know,

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at that point in ninety six, I'm I have like

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a a cinema knowledge, you know, I'm because I'm into it,

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and I'm I'm kicking myself because I was like a

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Walter Hill film came out and I didn't go see

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it in the theater, What the hell is wrong with me?

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But you know, and we well, we'll get into like,

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you know, the the the premise of remaking something from

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a Curac Krosawa here in a second. But I just

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love the fact that it's, yeah, it's a it's it's Kirasawa,

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but it's also it's a noir type of type of

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vibe to it. You know, the hard boiled detective character

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you know now is like a gun singer for hire.

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I love Bruce Willison this, yeah, just the like, let

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me let me read you this, because we we open

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this film and we get this great voice over where

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he's kind of setting the stage for us. He says, Uh,

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it's a funny thing. No matter how low you sink,

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there's still a right and a wrong, and you always

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end up choosing. You go one way so you can

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try and live with yourself. You can go the other

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way and still be walking around, but you're dead and

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you don't know it.

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You know, Jeff, I love your voice, but nobody can

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pull that off like Bruce Willis.

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It's Bruce Willis.

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He has the perfect voice for the narration for this movie.

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He can't do him justice, but he this is this

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is Bruce Willis where he's you know, mid to late nineties.

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He adapts this the whispery Bruce Willis Willis's voice, you know,

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like we we taught we you know, we heard it

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in Last Boy Scouts. It's I dig it though. Yeah,

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like Clint, he's doing like his like his Clint Eastwood,

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not that it's Clint east Wood, but he's kind of

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given it. It's it's the new Bruceville Willis voice.

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Yeah. I saw an interview with Hill where he said,

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like working with Bruce, they weren't close. He's like, we

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didn't have a great, like intimate relationship, but he came

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in he was like, so I get it. You want

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like a Bogart or a Mitchum. Yeah, and Hill was

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like yeah, he was like cool, got it and then

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just ran with that. And you definitely get that feeling

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like he's trying to play that old Hollywood cool guy,

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you know. And I don't know that that's necessarily where

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he shines the best. I think I like Bruce Willis

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with a little more snark and a little more humor.

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But I think you did a.

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Great job, you know, now that you mentioned that, I

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definitely see a lot of Bogart and what he's doing

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in this movie. Absolutely, I'm seeing not Mitcham so much.

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Mitcham was more of a boisterous, tough guy, you know,

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he kind of threw his weight around. I'm not seeing that.

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This is this is This is definitely more Bogart and

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I'm here for it man.

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Which yeah, plays in that noir space really really well.

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Yeah, Now, Andrew, this is nineteen ninety six. A lot

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of times we talk about the the impact on pop

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culture and you know things, you know what you know,

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ninety centric things. This this is a period film though,

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we're nineteen thirties era prohibition, so you know we're gonna skip,

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We're gonna cut through some of that and jump right

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into going behind the scenes on this one. So Walter

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Hill receives an offer to remake a Kura Kirosawa's Yojimbo,

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which itself was based on Dashio Hammett's nineteen twenty seven

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novel Red Harvest. Hill is quoted as saying, it took

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me a long time to be persuaded to do it.

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I thought the very idea of adapting mister Kurasawa was

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insanity for the obvious reasons. The first movie was very,

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very good, and in addition, I would be in the

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shadow of mister Kirosawa, who is probably our most revered filmmaker.

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You gotta give Walter Hill credit right there calling out

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Kirosawa for the brilliance that.

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That absolutely yeah, it is a bonker's concept to try

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to take that on, you know, and mentioned Magnificent seven earlier,

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and I can't I would be so daunted to be

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talked about in the same breath as a Kia Kurrasawa

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so respect and that he was able to be humble

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enough to do it. I'm glad he did, because I

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like the idea of trying this in new spaces, But

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I also get his fear was somewhat well based, because

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I think we all know Yo Jimbo. I think it

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is one of the great cinematic masterpieces, and I think

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Last Man Standing is good.

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That's fair you talk about getting into a different space.

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New Line Cinema wanted to remake this as a dystopian

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sci fi thriller in the vein of Escape from New York,

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which yeah wow. But once Walter Hill learned that Kirosawa

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was supportive of the remake, he agreed to write and

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direct it on the condition that the film not be

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science fiction and definitely not a western, given the lawsuit

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involving the first remake.

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Yeah yeah, the first remake A fistful of dollars. Great,

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great movie, obviously, Siergoloni and Clone Eastwood. It's fantastic. Leads

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to genuinely one of my favorite filmmaker squabble quotes. So

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when he saw the movie A fifth full of Dollars,

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Krasawa wrote to leondirectly saying, Senior Leon, Senior Leon, I

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have just had the chance to see your film. It

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is a very fine film, but it is my film,

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and right out of the gate. The snark there is fantastic,

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but he went on to say, since Japan is a

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signatory of the Burn Convention in the international copyright, you

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must pay me. And this led to a lot of

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legal trouble and a lot of biggering back and forth,

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to the point where Kisawa actually did end up settling.

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And while the exact numbers aren't out there, at least

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I wasn't able to find them, it looks like he

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actually made more money off of the settlement for a

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fifth full of dollars than he actually did for Yo Jimbo.

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Which I gotta dig the irony there. Yeah, yeah, well

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so Walter Hill, he's gonna avoid all that. He sets

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his story as a nineteen thirties noir gangster film, But

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I ask you, isn't this still a Western?

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Yeah? That's That's one of those areas where I kind

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of feel like this one misses for me. I would

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have really loved to see this like maybe take place

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in Chicago or New York and really lean into the

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gangster noir setting, but instead it's this dusty ghost town

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in the middle of Texas, which makes it just feel

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like a Western but with like slightly more updated clothing.

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So let's talk about the cinematography here. Now, Hill would

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have been happy to have had this shot in black

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and white, which studios absolutely like, absolutely not, We're not

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doing that. Yeah, so he I think part of the

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reason why we see this in this dusty ghost town

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of Jericho is because he's got this what would you

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call it, like a monochromatic Yeah, almost, Yeah, everything's just

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yellows and browns and gray, you know.

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Just which I want to give Hill a lot of

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credit here because I feel like a few years after this,

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a brother Artow came out and they really like they

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actually digitally you know, washed everything to bring out a

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lot of the color, and that's become really normal since then.

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I think it's almost cliche now if you're setting something

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in Texas or Mexico, like everything's kind of yellowish and

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so it's very normal and almost cliche now. But at

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the time, that was a really cool thing that he

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opted to do.

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I gotta be honest, with all due respect to Walter Hill,

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Like the idea of this movie taking place in Chicago,

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like you're suggesting that might be a better film, I

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don't know, but I mean it definitely lends itself to

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some pretty amazing set pieces.

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I would think, yeah, absolutely.

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Let's talk titles. So before landing on Last Man Standing,

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they consider the following options during production. I want, I

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want Andrew Blakeley's take on whether they got it right

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or not. So at various points, this film was called

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Gun Down, Gangster, Jericho, and lastly, Welcome to Jericho.

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I don't know this is This is sort of a

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hard thing to name. I don't love any of those,

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but I also don't love Last Man Standing, not just

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because now if you're googling it, you get that Tim

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Allen sitcom. Yeah, but it's it's a it's a difficult

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film to name because there's really not a lot to

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it from a plot standpoint. The main character doesn't even

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have a name, or in this case he does, it's

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you know, John Smith, but even that said tongue in cheek,

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like that's not his real name. Oh yeah, So I

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don't know really where you go with his Last man

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Standing feels accurate, but I don't know that it really

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gives the vibe of what this movie is.

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I must think. Honestly, I'm kind of warming to Jericho

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just by itself. Well yeah, not so much Welcome to

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jo with Jericho, Like I almost feel like, you know,

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you get a hit on your hands and then you

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could you could have seen Jericho at like different stages

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in American history just like you know, yeah, I don't know,

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but you know we got last and standing.

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Could have done whatever. You know.

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have we have a movie tie in novel. Yep, did

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you This is something I want to talk about this

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real quick. I want to see what your your thoughts are.

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So in the movie tie in, it's written that we

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do learn who the dead man is in the Undertaker's

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parlor window at the beginning, when Bruce Willis first shows up,

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he was supposed to meet John Smith to sell him

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fake id's to escape to Mexico, but had gotten himself

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killed by Doyle's men. Because you know, Bruce Willis rolls

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into town immediately he's got trouble Doyle's through. You know,

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they kind of vandalize his vehicle and warn him immediately.

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So I like the idea that, you know, maybe smith

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Is is hitting town for a reason and it's you know, well.

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this movie where his motivation didn't really make a lot

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of sense. I think giving him a reason to a

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be in Jericho and be a reason to now stay

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in jail outside of just oh, I gotta get my

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tire replaced like that wasn't great motivation. That wasn't really

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great drive for the plot. But if he's in a

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situation where Okay, now I'm stuck and I've got to

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get some cash, I've got to figure out a way

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to set myself up, that makes more sense to me.

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That gives me a little more drive for him.

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Yeah, I'm definitely a fan of the dead Man in

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the Parlor Window being being an associate. I think that

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that helps it. You know, it would be cool if

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there would have been a way for them to give

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us set in the movie. You know, I know they can't.

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You know, it's it's exposition. There's only so much you

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can do. But yeah, let's talk about this. This film's score. No.

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Andrew Elmer Bernstein is arguably one of the greatest composers

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in film and television history, and it shocks me to

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find out that he has the score finished. He's about

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halfway through finishing it when Walter Hill.

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Fires him, Yeah, that's not.

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You know, you gotta give it. H'll's got some stones man.

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He tells one of the greatest composer was like, listen,

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it's it's just not what I'm looking for goodbye.

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Which is, like you said, he's he's an amazing composer.

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I get coming to him and saying, I don't like

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the direction you're going. Let's try something else. Yeah, So

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I want to know what that interaction was where he

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was like, Nope, we're not even going to salvage this,

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could you know, get out like that's that was wild

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to me.

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So to that end, though, what'd you think of ry

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Cooter's guitar work here? This is it's very it's a

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very western score, I think. But what I want to

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hear what you thought?

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Yeah, I actually didn't hate it. It didn't really stand out.

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There was no scenes where the score really grabbed me.

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But like you said, it really leaned into the western

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vibe of it, and I think that was not necessarily bad,

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but a mistake. You know, we've already seen this movie

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as a Western. We should be leaning away from that,

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not into it.

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Well, I'll tell you I kind of picked up on

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you know, before I knew it was Rycooter. I'm like,

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you know what, I this feels familiar. He'd actually worked

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with Walter Hill before nineteen eighty four, a film that

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I absolutely love. It's called Streets of Fire. I don't

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know if you've ever seen that one, but yeah film. Yeah,

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And then nineteen eighty six he's he's doing the score

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for a Crossroads. Yeah, which makes perfect sense.

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Right, Yeah, Yeah, Honestly, that's the thing. And I think

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that a lot of people that do the score, like,

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you can either be amazing. You can be you know,

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John Williams, you can be you know Suore in Lord

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of the Rings and write this iconic score, or you

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can just really set a stage for the movie and

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like kind of be background. And I'm not going to

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necessarily hear the song, but it really lends itself to

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setting the mood. And I think that that's really where

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this guy falls. Like I can't really picture any of

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his songs in my head, but when I think of

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those movies and like it really it just feels right.

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I agree. I absolutely agree. Let's take a quick break

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and when we get back, we'll talk about this Castle's

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Let's talk about Bruce Willis. For a second, here he's

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playing John Smith and obviously that's we know, that's not

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his given name. Bruce does thirty films in the nineties.

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That is bonkers thirty he's and he's coming off of,

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like right before this, he's coming off of pulp fiction. Yeah,

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the Third die Hard and Twelve Monkeys, and after this

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he's got Fifth Element Armageddon and the sixth Sense.

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Just banger after banger after banger.

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Is it safe to say we're witnessing Pekee Willis here

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in nineteen ninety six.

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Oh yeah, I mean I don't think there's any doubt

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about that. I mean, he's he we as the audience

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know who he is, and he really leans into that.

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But he also, you know, he takes and takes some chances.

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He goes outside his comfort zone a little bit sometimes,

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and I love that. Like he is absolutely at the

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top of his game in the late mid to late nineties.

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I'm a I'm a I'm gonna point this out too.

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I think when you're when you're talking about Bruce Willis

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and his physicality, h this is you know, when I

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say peek Willis, this might be like the best. He's

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the best shape he's in in his career.

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Yeah, yeah, I mean he's clearly wanted us to see

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his ass in this one. So yes, I think he

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knows how good he looks right now, you know what

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I mean.

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Yeah, he's hey, hey, Walter, let's uh, let's do a

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bathtub scene. I'll let's jump out, you know, let's do

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a let's do a scene where I roll out of bed. Yeah. Nah.

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The dudes in like, it's incredible shape, man, And this

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is this is our hero. This is John McClean. Like

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he wasn't in bad shape to begin with. But I

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just feel like here, it's like, okay, Bruno, hit the

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gym a little bit and just Seeah, the man looks

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good in a suit. You gotta give him credit.

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That's true. And I think the nineties really fetishized this

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like gangster like their look. It was. It was a

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clean look. It was a good He steps out of

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that car, he takes that jacket off, sleeves rolled up,

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and it's like, damn, that's a good look, man, It's.

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A great look. How about that fedora It's it almost

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feels like it's a little too tight for him, but

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it looks perfect.

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It's yeah, not many people can pull that Fodor off,

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but Bruce, Bruce is one of them. And some about

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I was watching this movie and like the gun fights,

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and we'll talk about those, I'm sure in a little

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bit because they're amazing, But something about when he's firing guns,

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like the face he makes like he really is into it,

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Like Bruce Willis looks good shooting people, because like it's believable,

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like he's got this like grit, like his jaws clenched,

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is like lips are pursed a little bit, like he's

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really pulling the trigger and killing some people, you know

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what I mean.

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Yeah, Well, if you if you fired a handgun, you

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know he I think he's got If I'm looking at

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it correctly, I'm pretty sure it's a cult nineteen eleven

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he's got. Yeah, yep, it's a forty five. I've got

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a forty five. And when you fire a weapon like that,

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you feel it, you know. Yeah, I believe Bruce Willis

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is firing these weapons for real. When I watch Last

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Man Standing, he just like, yeah, it's a great look.

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Absolutely a great look someone who isn't firing their weapon.

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Well.

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Ever, in this film, Bruce Dern is playing Sheriff Ed Galt. Yeah,

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and I honestly, I don't know how to feel about

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about the Sheriff Galton this. You know, you and I

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had a great conversation about this guy on our Patreon

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talking about silent running. What would you say he's doing here?

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Because he's he's not the villain, he's definitely not a hero.

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I I kind of liked it. I think the first

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time I watched it, I didn't really know where to

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place him. But second time through, I like it because

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at the beginning, you're introduced to him, you think this

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guy sucks, like he's just a he's a shit sheriff.

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He's not doing his job, and that's accurate. But I

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think by the end of it, you know, you start

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to realize this this guy maybe at one point was

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a good guy and this ground just beat it out

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of him.

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I'm looking at my notes and it says Bruce Dern

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is the worst to shareff exclamation point, and then you

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just you read my notes man like like but yeah, but.

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By the end of it, you're like, Okay, there's a

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decent guy in there. Yeah, he's just worn the hell

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down and I mean lost as how could you not

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be well.

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Yeah, yeah, I mean even even the Marshall that comes

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to town is like, look, I will condone, you know,

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some a little bit of murder. I will condone one

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gang because there's gonna always be trouble, but I'm not

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gonna condone two gangs anymore. So you you all figured

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it out. Yeah, yeah, you get the feeling Bruce Dern

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maybe he showed up to Jericho with you know, gleam

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in his eye. He's gonna be the White Knight, but

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years and years have just beat him down and now

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he just doesn't care. And it's it's it's a sad

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it's a sad.

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Character, you know, but it's a relatable one that's related.

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It's absolutely relatable. Like you're when you're up against a

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system that you can't defeat, Like what are you gonna

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do besides collect the paycheck?

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Right? Yeah? And that's that's where Bruce Dern shines. Is

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like an everyman, you know, he's he's never gonna be

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the the man with no name, gunslinging hero, and he's

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he's just got a very everyman feel about him.

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Yeah. I agree with you, though, as the movie progresses,

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I like that. Okay, maybe he's not such a bad guy,

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and he's he's helping when we need him to help.

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And so now he's he's kind of like he's an ally. Yeah,

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you know, as long as.

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He's making I'm going to get my ass shot for you.

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But you know, I'll bring you some food. I'll you know,

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slip you some information. What I gotta do. You know,

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I want to.

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Talk about Doyle the U, the leader of the Irish Mob,

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David David Patrick Kelly. I'm pretty sure he's cranked up

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the like ten and then they just tore the knob off.

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He is explosive in like every single.

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Scene, which is great because his character doesn't have a

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lot to do. If you're watching this on paper, his

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character is kind of boring. So he's like, you know what,

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I'm gonna take this and I'm gonna I'm gonna steal

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scenes that anyway. I'm just gonna choose scenery. I'm gonna

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just scream when I feel like it and it's I

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enjoy it, like that's that's where this movie shines. When

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it's it's a little over the top, it's a little crazy.

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He's one of the all time great movie bad guys.

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I'm gonna ask you, uh David Patrick Kelly as Doyle,

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and then I'm gonna give you uh Sully in Commando

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and lastly t Bird in the Crow. Oh no, I'm

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gonna give you one more. Let's let's let's do Luther

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and the Warriors all time, all time best, David Patrick

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Kelly villain. Who do you got?

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I mean, it's it's gotta be Warriors, Like that's it's

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gonna be Warriors, right, yeah, which I mean that's Hill also,

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so I think that they got you know, they've got

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a good thing going. But yeah, he's iconic in that

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he is.

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He is. I love him though. I love he's always

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playing like a Weasley guy in power and like especially

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in this one, yeah, this one. I love the fact

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that he's very He's got that little band syndrome. Yeah time,

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you know he's we got that moment where Bruce Willis

463
00:23:50.039 --> 00:23:52.359
is having a kind of a playful exchange with Christopher

464
00:23:52.359 --> 00:23:54.960
Walken and he's just like, you know, he just ex

465
00:23:56.039 --> 00:23:57.359
I'm like settled down.

466
00:23:58.680 --> 00:24:01.440
I really enjoy that because you know, Bruce Willis and

467
00:24:01.480 --> 00:24:04.359
Chris were walking are really leaning into that like tense

468
00:24:04.599 --> 00:24:06.960
stare down like quip off that you see in these

469
00:24:07.000 --> 00:24:09.680
kind of movies, and he just completely ruins it so

470
00:24:10.319 --> 00:24:11.480
and it's so amazing.

471
00:24:12.359 --> 00:24:14.319
I love him. I absolutely love him. Let's h let's talk.

472
00:24:14.400 --> 00:24:16.519
We've got a couple of good supporting players in this one.

473
00:24:17.400 --> 00:24:22.440
William Sanderson as Joe Monday, the barkeep this he's the

474
00:24:22.440 --> 00:24:23.880
greatest sad sack of all time?

475
00:24:23.960 --> 00:24:26.279
Is it? Oh my god? Yeah? I can't see him

476
00:24:26.279 --> 00:24:28.240
in anything else of The Blade Runner. Like the second

477
00:24:28.279 --> 00:24:29.720
he pops up on the screen, that's all I can

478
00:24:29.759 --> 00:24:32.400
think about. And he's so just pathetic in that and

479
00:24:32.920 --> 00:24:34.319
not far off from there here.

480
00:24:35.160 --> 00:24:38.839
Yeah, I mean, my my heart's kind of breaking for

481
00:24:38.920 --> 00:24:41.880
him when he is taking joy and watching Bruce Willis

482
00:24:41.920 --> 00:24:46.079
work the two sides of these these uh these gangs. Yeah,

483
00:24:46.079 --> 00:24:48.160
he has that like that that happy moment and then

484
00:24:48.200 --> 00:24:49.880
Bruce Willis walks in. He's like, what do you what

485
00:24:49.920 --> 00:24:51.480
are you so? What do you smile by? He's like, Oh,

486
00:24:51.480 --> 00:24:54.079
that was amazing what you just did. Like this poor

487
00:24:54.119 --> 00:24:57.480
guy is so emasculated throughout this this movie. I know,

488
00:24:57.640 --> 00:24:59.799
I love it. Yeah, it's hard to watch, but I

489
00:24:59.799 --> 00:25:01.480
love that he gets a little come up at the end,

490
00:25:01.519 --> 00:25:05.920
you know, he gets his at least. Yeah, yeah, fantastic. Uh.

491
00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:10.880
We mentioned Christopher Walkin playing Hickey Walter Hill wanted James Remar.

492
00:25:11.039 --> 00:25:18.000
Another another Warriors studio insisted on Christopher Walkin. I gotta wonder,

493
00:25:18.160 --> 00:25:21.480
like I I kind of feel like I see James

494
00:25:21.559 --> 00:25:23.400
Remar and this a little bit more than I see

495
00:25:23.440 --> 00:25:24.559
Christopher Walker. What do you think?

496
00:25:25.240 --> 00:25:27.000
Look? I like James remark he would have done a

497
00:25:27.039 --> 00:25:29.720
great job. I'm not I would not be unhappy with

498
00:25:29.759 --> 00:25:32.960
his performance. But if you want to convince me somebody

499
00:25:33.200 --> 00:25:37.839
is terrifyingly crazy, yeah, like their biggest thing is you

500
00:25:37.920 --> 00:25:42.920
can't fathom the depths of this person's like insanity. Nobody's

501
00:25:42.960 --> 00:25:48.279
gonna be walking, nobody. He is terrifying and like a

502
00:25:48.359 --> 00:25:51.359
way that almost circles back around to funny, it's it's great.

503
00:25:51.480 --> 00:25:52.359
He's so good in this.

504
00:25:53.119 --> 00:25:57.559
My only my only nitpick with his his performance, and

505
00:25:57.559 --> 00:26:00.240
it's not his performance, it's just his look. I don't

506
00:26:00.279 --> 00:26:03.559
know how I feel about like that, that reddish brown hair,

507
00:26:03.839 --> 00:26:04.400
he's rocket.

508
00:26:05.039 --> 00:26:06.440
I think you're trying to go like, you know, he's

509
00:26:06.519 --> 00:26:07.440
Irish Kang whatever.

510
00:26:07.440 --> 00:26:09.519
I agree with that, I get it, but I don't know,

511
00:26:09.559 --> 00:26:12.359
it's just it felt a little less walking to me, Yeah,

512
00:26:12.440 --> 00:26:15.000
I don't know another guy that's over the top of this.

513
00:26:16.200 --> 00:26:18.920
If you thought David Patrick Kelly was dialing up ned

514
00:26:18.960 --> 00:26:23.079
Eisenberg playing Strassei, the leader of the Italian mob Andrew,

515
00:26:24.039 --> 00:26:26.519
I'll be honest, I see this guy and cannot take

516
00:26:26.599 --> 00:26:31.119
him seriously as a mafioso. All I do see is

517
00:26:31.200 --> 00:26:36.200
the character he played named Wink from a classic underrated

518
00:26:36.200 --> 00:26:41.759
comedy Moving Violations, which I assure you we'll cover next

519
00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:43.599
season for its forty of the anniversary. Like you're looking,

520
00:26:43.640 --> 00:26:47.720
I'm like, you haven't seen Moving Violations, and no it is.

521
00:26:48.039 --> 00:26:51.759
It's it's slapstick comedy at its finest, like think Think

522
00:26:51.799 --> 00:26:55.880
Police Academy type of comedy with Bill Murray's little brother

523
00:26:56.519 --> 00:27:02.519
and a very very young and practice the unknown Jennifer Tilly,

524
00:27:02.720 --> 00:27:05.799
Oh nice, absolutely adorable. Well this guy, yeah, Mike ned

525
00:27:05.799 --> 00:27:08.759
Eisenberg plays plays one of the guys are it's a situation.

526
00:27:08.799 --> 00:27:11.119
All these guys, all these people lost their their license,

527
00:27:11.160 --> 00:27:12.000
are in traffic school.

528
00:27:12.759 --> 00:27:14.960
And then there's like a I can see that he's

529
00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:16.759
he's very over the top in this and like I

530
00:27:16.799 --> 00:27:18.920
like him, and I like his performance because he's sort

531
00:27:18.920 --> 00:27:23.240
of meant to be playing like his character is playing

532
00:27:23.319 --> 00:27:27.119
a gangster, Like, yeah, he's definitely acting tougher than he is,

533
00:27:27.200 --> 00:27:29.640
and so that a little bit of comedic element works

534
00:27:29.680 --> 00:27:31.960
really well. I kind of there are several times in

535
00:27:32.000 --> 00:27:33.640
this movie I thought, you know, if you leaned into

536
00:27:33.680 --> 00:27:35.960
the comedy in this I feel like you could have

537
00:27:35.960 --> 00:27:38.279
found a really cool movie different than the one we got.

538
00:27:39.079 --> 00:27:42.079
You could have, but it's dangerous because like like Eisenberg,

539
00:27:42.799 --> 00:27:45.799
you know, his his his Stasi character. I think you

540
00:27:45.920 --> 00:27:49.400
leaned just a little little too much and he could

541
00:27:49.440 --> 00:27:52.799
have fit perfectly. And Johnny Dangerously That's exactly what.

542
00:27:52.759 --> 00:27:56.279
I was thinking. You're taking Peter Boyle and Johnny Dangerously

543
00:27:56.359 --> 00:27:57.440
was exactly what was picture.

544
00:27:57.480 --> 00:28:00.359
And yeah, you gotta wonder. Uh well, another wise, another

545
00:28:00.359 --> 00:28:03.359
guy that's really leaning into it. Let's talk cameos and

546
00:28:03.440 --> 00:28:10.200
before they were famous extras. Michael Imperioli playing Giorgio second,

547
00:28:10.359 --> 00:28:11.160
you know, right hand man.

548
00:28:11.599 --> 00:28:14.640
Yeah, I mean it's that's the sopranos. It's so weird

549
00:28:14.680 --> 00:28:17.599
to see him as like such a little kid basically.

550
00:28:17.759 --> 00:28:20.920
Yeah, well, okay, so you know nineteen ninety five, he's

551
00:28:20.920 --> 00:28:22.759
got a couple of small roles and bad boys and

552
00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:27.519
clockers playing different Ironically, he's playing different characters, but they're

553
00:28:27.519 --> 00:28:32.440
both named Jojo in those movies, which I think is ridiculous.

554
00:28:33.640 --> 00:28:37.000
Last Man's Standing is one of seven movies he's featured

555
00:28:37.039 --> 00:28:39.279
in in nineteen ninety six. He's having a hell of

556
00:28:39.319 --> 00:28:43.680
a run this year. Obviously, his memorable role in Goodfellas

557
00:28:43.720 --> 00:28:47.319
as Spider comes to mind. Yeah, you know, he's the

558
00:28:47.319 --> 00:28:49.519
guy that stands up to Joe Pesci and he gets

559
00:28:49.559 --> 00:28:51.960
shot for it. But as you said, he goes on

560
00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:54.839
to fame. He's Christopher and the Sopranos. So it's weird

561
00:28:54.839 --> 00:28:58.480
to watch him here when you know, like I said,

562
00:28:58.480 --> 00:29:00.319
I saw this movie when it came out, you know,

563
00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:02.440
a year or two after, but kind of forgot that

564
00:29:02.480 --> 00:29:04.880
he was in it. So to see Christopher, I'm like,

565
00:29:05.640 --> 00:29:08.240
you know, again, dial it down just a little bit,

566
00:29:08.319 --> 00:29:11.519
just a little bit. Another one we got Leslie Mann.

567
00:29:11.680 --> 00:29:14.200
I completely forgot she was in this. She got a

568
00:29:14.200 --> 00:29:15.720
small role playing Wanda the hooker.

569
00:29:16.279 --> 00:29:17.720
This is another one of those scenes. I feel like

570
00:29:18.440 --> 00:29:21.039
there was a fair amount of just natural humor in

571
00:29:21.079 --> 00:29:24.319
it when he's talking to her and she's just that obnoxious,

572
00:29:24.319 --> 00:29:27.759
like jabbering, won't stop talking even mid sex. She's still

573
00:29:27.799 --> 00:29:30.440
just kind of prattling on. There was a lot of

574
00:29:30.519 --> 00:29:33.960
natural humor there. I mean, Leslie Man's hilarious. Obviously we've

575
00:29:34.000 --> 00:29:37.200
all learned that since. But yeah, you know again, it

576
00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:38.240
could have been really funny.

577
00:29:38.680 --> 00:29:42.000
Yeah, ninety six definitely her breakout year. She's got this

578
00:29:42.039 --> 00:29:45.319
small role here, but she's also starring alongside Matthew Broderick

579
00:29:45.400 --> 00:29:48.400
and Jim Carrey in The Cable Guy. She plays Robin

580
00:29:48.519 --> 00:29:53.240
the girlfriend. She's Connie and she's the one. And then

581
00:29:53.240 --> 00:29:55.960
a year later she definitely explodes because she's the leading

582
00:29:55.960 --> 00:29:58.200
actress in Georgie of the Juggle with Brendan Fraser.

583
00:29:58.799 --> 00:30:00.400
Yeah. That's I mean, that's where I always like in

584
00:30:00.440 --> 00:30:02.680
my head, that's her first movie. But yeah, I was

585
00:30:02.720 --> 00:30:04.039
a kid. My timelines are all wonky.

586
00:30:04.559 --> 00:30:06.440
Yeah, well i'll tell you, you know, as far as

587
00:30:06.440 --> 00:30:08.599
cameos go, this is this is about as cameo as

588
00:30:08.640 --> 00:30:09.000
it gets.

589
00:30:09.200 --> 00:30:09.440
Uh.

590
00:30:09.559 --> 00:30:12.279
It's a blinking you miss a moment. But following the

591
00:30:12.279 --> 00:30:17.279
shootout that involves Leslie Mann's character, Wanda Bruce looks down

592
00:30:17.480 --> 00:30:22.759
into the parlor. She's the house madam sitting there, no lines,

593
00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:27.160
just just looks up at him. That's Lynn Shay Bob.

594
00:30:27.279 --> 00:30:30.079
You know producer New Line Cinema producer Bob Shay's wife.

595
00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:32.359
You know we've seen her in tons of stuff.

596
00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:34.599
Yeah, I did not even register. I'm gonna have to

597
00:30:34.640 --> 00:30:35.799
go back and watch that scene now.

598
00:30:36.440 --> 00:30:39.799
Yeah, I'm watching like, oh, that looked like Lynchay, but

599
00:30:39.839 --> 00:30:41.599
it's not Lynchay. And then I'm I'm more I'm watching.

600
00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:43.000
I was like, well, this is a New Line Cinema

601
00:30:43.000 --> 00:30:47.559
movie could be and yep, sure enough Lynchay. And then lastly,

602
00:30:47.920 --> 00:30:51.240
I gotta give some love to this guy, Tony tiny

603
00:30:51.319 --> 00:30:55.160
Ron as Jacko the Giant. So you know, the the

604
00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:58.200
Doyle Henchman. That's he's just a he's a monster.

605
00:30:57.960 --> 00:31:00.000
Right yeah, head and shoulders above everybody else.

606
00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:03.000
Yeah. Uh tiny Ron Amber and I had a great

607
00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:06.079
discussion about this guy recently on our Tim Burton episode

608
00:31:06.079 --> 00:31:10.240
covering Big Fish, so please check that one out, Andrew.

609
00:31:10.279 --> 00:31:12.000
I gotta be honest, like, we lost this guy way

610
00:31:12.039 --> 00:31:12.440
too soon.

611
00:31:12.920 --> 00:31:18.160
Yeah, I mean, that's that's an unfortunate thing. Anytime somebody's

612
00:31:18.680 --> 00:31:21.400
that large, it usually comes with a host of health issues.

613
00:31:21.799 --> 00:31:24.359
It's sad. He was actually he was he was gearing

614
00:31:24.440 --> 00:31:27.319
up to play Andrea the Giant in a in a

615
00:31:27.400 --> 00:31:31.079
film when he when he passed away. Interesting, let's take

616
00:31:31.119 --> 00:31:34.599
one last break and when we come back, it'll be

617
00:31:34.640 --> 00:31:40.440
time for keeping it real. We're back, Andrew. Before we

618
00:31:40.480 --> 00:31:42.240
talk about keeping it real, can we can we talk

619
00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:46.000
about how how how real the the violence is in this.

620
00:31:46.920 --> 00:31:50.079
Reel is an interesting choice of words. It's fantastic. It

621
00:31:50.200 --> 00:31:53.559
is fantastic, right, Yeah, I love it because again I

622
00:31:53.599 --> 00:31:55.319
hadn't seen this in so long, so like right out

623
00:31:55.319 --> 00:31:57.240
of the gate, you know, the opening scene is the

624
00:31:57.240 --> 00:32:00.559
Doyle guy's kicked his cars in and he goes in,

625
00:32:00.720 --> 00:32:05.400
just blows that one guy away and slow motion, this

626
00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:09.640
guy flies about fifteen feet back, hits the ground, does

627
00:32:09.640 --> 00:32:14.000
it backward summersalt. He probably lands about thirty feet away

628
00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:15.559
from where he was hit with Again, like you said

629
00:32:15.559 --> 00:32:18.240
there were forty fives, yep, it looks like he was

630
00:32:18.279 --> 00:32:21.599
hit with the bazooka. And this is the first real

631
00:32:21.720 --> 00:32:23.319
kill of the movie. So it just lets you know,

632
00:32:23.440 --> 00:32:25.960
like this is what we're doing here, and it's so good.

633
00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:29.680
I love it because again we're adapting Kirosawa, but I

634
00:32:29.680 --> 00:32:31.559
feel like we're kind of paying tribute to John Wu

635
00:32:31.799 --> 00:32:33.440
in this moment. Yeah.

636
00:32:33.519 --> 00:32:37.920
Yeah, My first two thoughts were Wu and Tarantino that ridiculous.

637
00:32:38.400 --> 00:32:42.559
Like Robert Rodriguez is desperado. Yeah, yes, yes, you clearly

638
00:32:42.559 --> 00:32:44.119
to see these stunt guys like there's some kind of

639
00:32:44.119 --> 00:32:46.480
harness that's about to sling shot them back up against

640
00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:48.880
the wall. It's awesome. I love it. This is kind

641
00:32:48.880 --> 00:32:51.200
of over the top action is something that we've kind

642
00:32:51.240 --> 00:32:54.839
of we've definitely moved away from from the late nineties.

643
00:32:54.960 --> 00:32:57.279
I'd love to see it come back because it's it's

644
00:32:57.400 --> 00:32:58.160
just fun to watch.

645
00:32:58.680 --> 00:33:01.960
Yeah, this is one of those things where I really

646
00:33:02.000 --> 00:33:04.160
wish they could have leaned into this more. It's so

647
00:33:04.279 --> 00:33:07.640
great in the gunfights that I want to see more

648
00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:10.440
over the top style in this movie, you know, because

649
00:33:10.640 --> 00:33:12.400
at times it gets the pacings a little slow and

650
00:33:12.440 --> 00:33:14.240
it gets a little boring. I really want him to

651
00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:17.720
dial it up, like you know, we just I know

652
00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:20.839
you and I just recently talked about boy Kill's World.

653
00:33:21.559 --> 00:33:23.440
Not a very in depth movie, not a whole lot

654
00:33:23.480 --> 00:33:25.720
of substance to it, but the violence and just everything

655
00:33:25.799 --> 00:33:27.400
is so ridiculous over the top. It made it a

656
00:33:27.480 --> 00:33:29.720
joy to watch. Anyway. That's what I wanted to see

657
00:33:29.720 --> 00:33:33.279
from that. Yeah, especially with that first that first kill.

658
00:33:33.720 --> 00:33:35.880
Built Boyko's world. That's a that's a great example. And

659
00:33:35.920 --> 00:33:38.200
then we have another one that just came out called kill.

660
00:33:38.519 --> 00:33:39.599
I don't know if you saw that one.

661
00:33:39.559 --> 00:33:40.440
Yet, not yet.

662
00:33:40.519 --> 00:33:43.759
No, it's it's like it's just it's John Wick style carnage.

663
00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:48.200
We're very low on on story and just high on

664
00:33:48.839 --> 00:33:51.960
watch this guy mow down like a ton of people

665
00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:54.640
as quickly as possible.

666
00:33:55.039 --> 00:33:57.240
Was that was that one? Shoot him up with Clive Owen.

667
00:33:57.799 --> 00:33:58.960
I love shoot him up with Clive O.

668
00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:01.359
Yeah, it's got that great like sex scene shootout. I

669
00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:03.119
feel like Bruce Willis is trying to get there. And

670
00:34:03.160 --> 00:34:04.839
then Clive Owen was like, no, no, no, I can do better.

671
00:34:05.319 --> 00:34:09.480
Clive O was like, hold my Fedora, you know I

672
00:34:09.519 --> 00:34:12.400
can do this. Yeah, I'm gonna give it to Clyde.

673
00:34:12.400 --> 00:34:14.199
That's that One's a great one. I'd love we if

674
00:34:14.239 --> 00:34:15.719
there's a way to cover that one, we should at

675
00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:18.320
some point. I'd love to talk that you, you especially,

676
00:34:18.360 --> 00:34:20.360
would be a good a good uh a good hang

677
00:34:20.400 --> 00:34:23.159
on that one, Andrew, Let's let's let's keep it real.

678
00:34:23.960 --> 00:34:26.239
So I got I got three questions for you, right,

679
00:34:26.639 --> 00:34:29.719
I'm gonna start off with one of my favorites, uh,

680
00:34:29.920 --> 00:34:33.840
one of our favorite actors Billy Zopka. He was dominating

681
00:34:33.920 --> 00:34:37.599
Dojo's high school cafeterias and college swimming pools in some

682
00:34:37.639 --> 00:34:41.119
of the best movies in the nineteen eighties, and then

683
00:34:41.159 --> 00:34:44.639
he was notably absent from Hollywood for most of the nineties.

684
00:34:44.880 --> 00:34:49.039
So the question is what about zob Andrew. I want

685
00:34:49.079 --> 00:34:52.800
you to replace one actor from this film with William Zobka.

686
00:34:53.559 --> 00:34:56.719
Well, see how how old would would Zapka have been.

687
00:34:57.440 --> 00:34:59.199
He would have been probably what late twenties.

688
00:34:59.480 --> 00:35:03.320
Yeah, he's he's late twenties, late twenties, maybe pushing thirty.

689
00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:05.639
I don't know. I feel like he's a bit young

690
00:35:05.679 --> 00:35:07.679
for a lot of the roles here. I could I

691
00:35:07.719 --> 00:35:11.719
could see him in Michael Anucci's role. I don't know

692
00:35:11.719 --> 00:35:14.079
that he plays Italian, but everything other than that, I

693
00:35:14.079 --> 00:35:18.039
could absolutely see him as the young, impulsive, angry, wanna

694
00:35:18.079 --> 00:35:18.599
be gangster.

695
00:35:19.199 --> 00:35:22.559
Think about everything you just said and then understand why

696
00:35:23.079 --> 00:35:28.119
I'm saying, give me William Zopka as Hickey and no disrespect,

697
00:35:28.159 --> 00:35:31.239
no disrespect to Christopher Walking, but think about this character

698
00:35:31.280 --> 00:35:34.800
has an excellent background. You know we were They're building

699
00:35:34.880 --> 00:35:37.559
him up the whole time. He he stabbed his father,

700
00:35:38.159 --> 00:35:41.840
murdered him, he burned down an orphanage. I feel like

701
00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:47.440
Zopka comes in plays it like a humorless billy the kid.

702
00:35:48.039 --> 00:35:51.239
Uh yeah. I will say, if we were going into

703
00:35:51.239 --> 00:35:53.039
what I was talking about and leaning into the more

704
00:35:53.119 --> 00:35:55.679
over the top ridiculousness of the movie, I could see that.

705
00:35:56.360 --> 00:35:58.159
I don't know that he sells it in the noir

706
00:35:58.320 --> 00:35:59.320
western that we got.

707
00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:04.000
Zopota could do anything. I'm just putting this out there

708
00:36:04.000 --> 00:36:06.000
that we've got like six or seven of these these

709
00:36:06.039 --> 00:36:08.119
ninety six episodes ago, and I'm gonna go ahead and

710
00:36:08.119 --> 00:36:12.159
say it. Zopka can do it all, all right. One

711
00:36:12.239 --> 00:36:16.639
question you have you have answered many times because this

712
00:36:16.679 --> 00:36:19.199
is a holdover from our nineteen eighty six series but

713
00:36:20.239 --> 00:36:25.480
sequel prequel remake, Andrew, if you had control of this ip,

714
00:36:26.360 --> 00:36:28.960
what would be your pitch to the studio to revive it.

715
00:36:29.719 --> 00:36:31.559
I mean that's one of the cool things about this

716
00:36:31.599 --> 00:36:33.639
And I thought about this a lot while watching it. Actually,

717
00:36:34.199 --> 00:36:38.239
this story, because it's so simple, could be told a

718
00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:41.119
hundred times and you could keep it fresh, like you

719
00:36:41.159 --> 00:36:44.719
could take the yo jimbo structure and you put it

720
00:36:44.760 --> 00:36:48.719
in like that could be a two episode arc on

721
00:36:48.760 --> 00:36:50.800
the Mandalorian and I would watch the hell out of that.

722
00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:53.599
Oh absolutely, Or you know, you could put that in

723
00:36:53.639 --> 00:36:56.519
the futurestic sci fi world like New Line wanted to do.

724
00:36:56.639 --> 00:36:58.880
I'm on board. You know. Obviously you got to get

725
00:36:58.880 --> 00:37:01.159
a good director and a good vision, but you can

726
00:37:01.199 --> 00:37:03.760
play with this space anywhere and really take it and

727
00:37:03.800 --> 00:37:05.639
run with it. So I'm all about remaking it. I

728
00:37:05.679 --> 00:37:08.440
want to see another Yo Jimbo reimagining.

729
00:37:08.880 --> 00:37:10.719
All right, I'm gonna I'm gonna break my own rule.

730
00:37:10.719 --> 00:37:12.559
I've yelled at you guys time and time again for

731
00:37:13.039 --> 00:37:16.159
doing what I'm about to do. But just follow me here.

732
00:37:17.039 --> 00:37:19.960
Let me. Let me remind you that Joseph Gordon Levitt

733
00:37:20.199 --> 00:37:24.639
once played a younger version of Bruce Willis in Looper. Yeah,

734
00:37:25.400 --> 00:37:28.360
and I'll further remind you that Gordon Levitt is no

735
00:37:28.440 --> 00:37:31.360
stranger to playing a hard boiled detective type in a

736
00:37:31.400 --> 00:37:35.480
noir film, because he did Ryan Johnson's neo to our

737
00:37:35.480 --> 00:37:40.000
film Brick, which we covered fantastic movie. We covered Brad

738
00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:41.800
and I covered that a couple seasons ago. It's awesome,

739
00:37:41.840 --> 00:37:44.400
go back and check that one out. Well right now,

740
00:37:44.880 --> 00:37:48.320
Joseph Gordon Levitt is of an age where he could

741
00:37:48.400 --> 00:37:52.360
possibly play a younger John Smith back East in a prequel,

742
00:37:53.360 --> 00:37:56.840
or possibly play Smith heading onto Mexico as planned in

743
00:37:56.920 --> 00:38:00.719
a sequel. What would you want to see?

744
00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:05.199
I don't know. I love the structure of this, I

745
00:38:05.239 --> 00:38:07.280
don't necessarily care about the character.

746
00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:09.400
Okay, so you're still for the remake?

747
00:38:09.519 --> 00:38:12.760
Yeah, the remake. I love Gordon Levitt. You put him

748
00:38:12.760 --> 00:38:14.920
in my remake for sure? Yeah? I think, okay, you

749
00:38:14.960 --> 00:38:18.480
can absolutely play that that cool, quiet, you know character.

750
00:38:18.599 --> 00:38:20.760
But yeah, I just I don't that was one of

751
00:38:20.760 --> 00:38:22.280
the areas that felt fun. I don't really care about

752
00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:22.800
John Smith.

753
00:38:23.119 --> 00:38:27.360
Bruce Willis was cool, but the character all right. DVD

754
00:38:27.440 --> 00:38:31.840
extras in nineteen ninety six, the DVD format is initially

755
00:38:32.119 --> 00:38:36.000
introduced to US markets, and while the simplicity of the

756
00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:40.159
compact disc pleased us, the high definition wowed us and

757
00:38:40.239 --> 00:38:43.840
had us tossing our VHS tapes out, which I truly

758
00:38:43.920 --> 00:38:47.360
regret doing at this point. But you got yeah, you

759
00:38:47.440 --> 00:38:50.519
got a couple, you know. But for centophiles like us,

760
00:38:50.800 --> 00:38:55.360
the exclusive special features were usually the no frills package

761
00:38:55.360 --> 00:38:59.639
of scene selection, French or Spanish subtitles. If you're lucky,

762
00:38:59.639 --> 00:39:03.320
you got to try trailer. So Andrew, what DVD extra

763
00:39:03.440 --> 00:39:06.599
would you want on your DVD for Last Band Standing?

764
00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:08.519
And I'm gonna give you a couple options here.

765
00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:10.199
I mean, I already know my answer, so it's not

766
00:39:10.199 --> 00:39:12.719
one of your options. I'll choose Option D or whatever.

767
00:39:13.119 --> 00:39:17.119
Wow, okay, right, rule breaking left and right. I'm gonna

768
00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:21.920
give you an end character audio commentary, okay, a making

769
00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:28.039
of documentary, or the Amber Lewis Actors roundtable. You can

770
00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:31.480
you can choose three people from the film and kind

771
00:39:31.480 --> 00:39:34.199
of watch like a roundtable discussion and them talking about

772
00:39:34.199 --> 00:39:36.440
the movie and their experiences. Which one are you going

773
00:39:36.519 --> 00:39:36.920
to go with?

774
00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:40.440
I mean, of those, I love see I love the

775
00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:45.000
idea of getting to see from the filmmakers and not

776
00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:46.519
just actors. And you could throw director, you could throw

777
00:39:46.559 --> 00:39:48.599
a writer in there, just kind of getting their perspective

778
00:39:48.639 --> 00:39:51.320
on it. But what I really really want is to

779
00:39:51.440 --> 00:39:53.840
see either an audio commentary or at that roundtable. I

780
00:39:53.840 --> 00:39:56.119
want to see a character a salad there. I want

781
00:39:56.119 --> 00:40:00.719
to see how he feels woout this adaptation, because obviously,

782
00:40:00.800 --> 00:40:02.199
you know, we talked about he gave it the green

783
00:40:02.280 --> 00:40:04.519
light like he was on board, but what did he

784
00:40:04.559 --> 00:40:06.480
think about it once it actually came out?

785
00:40:06.760 --> 00:40:10.639
Damn? You know, I I I was gonna have some fun.

786
00:40:10.719 --> 00:40:13.000
I was gonna pick audio commentary with Walter Hill and

787
00:40:13.119 --> 00:40:16.559
David Patrick Kelly because you might even get a little

788
00:40:16.599 --> 00:40:19.280
bit of talk about the Warriors filtered in there here

789
00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:23.159
and there. But but now I kind of want we

790
00:40:23.639 --> 00:40:27.400
could we have a Walter Hill a Kira Kirosawa commentary

791
00:40:27.519 --> 00:40:31.480
where he's kind of pore there.

792
00:40:31.320 --> 00:40:33.760
Like yeah, this, why did you choose to do it

793
00:40:33.760 --> 00:40:35.159
this way? Or like this is what I would have done,

794
00:40:35.199 --> 00:40:37.599
or things like that, and you just know there's gonna

795
00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:39.840
be a little bit of sass towards Sergio Leoni, which

796
00:40:40.920 --> 00:40:41.719
I'm gonna be here for.

797
00:40:42.440 --> 00:40:45.199
I would totally be on board with that. You know,

798
00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:49.519
we lost Kirasawa in nineteen ninety eight, so this could

799
00:40:49.519 --> 00:40:52.280
have been like one of his last Hollywood projects. He

800
00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:54.000
could have came in and just sat down with Walter Hill.

801
00:40:54.039 --> 00:40:54.719
That man.

802
00:40:55.760 --> 00:40:57.639
I have no idea how good his English was. I've

803
00:40:57.719 --> 00:41:00.119
you know, I've only ever seen translated stuff, so I

804
00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:02.360
don't know how realistic that would have been, but I

805
00:41:02.360 --> 00:41:03.119
would have loved it.

806
00:41:03.440 --> 00:41:05.719
Well, you know, give me the give me the round table.

807
00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:07.760
Like if you Asa could sit there with Walter Hill

808
00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:10.639
and just Walter Hill, you know that would have been

809
00:41:10.679 --> 00:41:17.840
great film's legacy. Andrew, would you call this a classic,

810
00:41:18.119 --> 00:41:20.719
a cult classic, or just a product of its time?

811
00:41:21.519 --> 00:41:23.440
I'm kind of waffling back and forth between a product

812
00:41:23.440 --> 00:41:25.199
of its time and a cult classic. I know some

813
00:41:25.320 --> 00:41:29.039
people who really really like this movie, and as I

814
00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:33.079
said early on, it's good. I don't. I don't think it.

815
00:41:33.639 --> 00:41:36.719
I think it is harmed by its relationship to Yo

816
00:41:36.800 --> 00:41:39.000
Jimbo because it's never going to be that. It's going

817
00:41:39.079 --> 00:41:41.039
to sit in the of the movie shadow. But it's fine.

818
00:41:41.480 --> 00:41:43.679
So I'd say either cult classic or just you know,

819
00:41:43.719 --> 00:41:46.000
a product of its time. It's a decent nineties action movie.

820
00:41:46.360 --> 00:41:49.679
That's fair. Let's talk Bruce Willis one last, Let's start

821
00:41:49.679 --> 00:41:53.000
to wrap up here. Bruce Willis. Where would you would

822
00:41:53.039 --> 00:41:57.000
you say? John Smith? Is this a a top ten

823
00:41:57.400 --> 00:41:58.400
Bruce Willis character?

824
00:41:58.840 --> 00:42:00.360
I like Bruce Willis in this. You know, I love

825
00:42:00.400 --> 00:42:02.960
Bruce Willis. We just talked about him recently on the

826
00:42:03.039 --> 00:42:06.639
other last movie with him, Last Boy Scout. Yeah, but

827
00:42:06.800 --> 00:42:09.119
I don't think he was necessary for this movie to

828
00:42:09.159 --> 00:42:12.519
be what it was. I think the character was a

829
00:42:12.519 --> 00:42:15.159
little bit blamed. I think it probably could have had

830
00:42:15.159 --> 00:42:17.239
a lot of other people Bruce Willis to me, shines

831
00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:21.199
when he's funny, when he's snarky, when he's a little bit,

832
00:42:21.280 --> 00:42:24.000
you know, angry, and this character is a little flat

833
00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:26.079
for him. So like it's good, and his performance was good,

834
00:42:26.119 --> 00:42:27.760
It's just I don't think it's going to crack the

835
00:42:27.800 --> 00:42:28.159
top ten.

836
00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:32.840
All right, Well, Andrew, I definitely want to thank you

837
00:42:33.440 --> 00:42:38.159
for joining us on nineteen ninety six, But you want

838
00:42:38.159 --> 00:42:40.519
to tell us a little bit about what's coming up

839
00:42:40.559 --> 00:42:41.960
next on Patreon.

840
00:42:42.920 --> 00:42:46.559
Yeah, so we're heading into October for you and I

841
00:42:46.599 --> 00:42:49.159
are doing our ten for two series, which I'm a

842
00:42:49.239 --> 00:42:51.880
huge fan of. So we're gonna take a dive into

843
00:42:51.920 --> 00:42:55.880
some classic horrors and man, that is a giant grab

844
00:42:55.880 --> 00:42:57.559
bag to choose from, so we're gonna we're gonna find

845
00:42:57.599 --> 00:42:58.119
some good ones.

846
00:42:58.800 --> 00:43:02.239
I know we are. We want to thank you for

847
00:43:02.320 --> 00:43:06.199
listening to today's nineteen ninety six episode. We are fast

848
00:43:06.239 --> 00:43:10.079
approaching the completion of this limited series and if we

849
00:43:10.119 --> 00:43:13.480
haven't covered your favorite from nineteen ninety six, there's still

850
00:43:13.559 --> 00:43:16.039
some time to hit us up on social media or

851
00:43:16.079 --> 00:43:20.320
email us and share your requests. You can do that

852
00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:22.960
at a film by podcast dot com or hit us

853
00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:26.000
up on social media you'll find us on Facebook, Instagram,

854
00:43:26.079 --> 00:43:28.679
and X, Andrew and I got a bounce.

855
00:43:29.480 --> 00:43:43.719
Peace Out,