Oct. 11, 2024

1996: Scream

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Season 5 1996

Join us for a nostalgic trip back to the year 1996! We're exploring the culture, the music, and the message that films in 1996 offered, to determine whether they're classics, cult classics, or a product of their time! Jeff welcomes David to 1996 with a conversation about the biggest slasher film of the 1990s that revived the genre. Wes Craven's Scream.

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These are the movies of nineteen ninety six. What's up, everybody.

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I'm Jeff Johnson from a Film By podcast and I'm

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hoping you're down for this dope series. We've broken down

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the fresh films of nineteen eighty six. We examined the

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gritty cinemascape of nineteen seventy six. Now it's time to

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check out the Hella good flicks of nineteen ninety six.

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Due to provisions made in his contract that he appear

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in all a film by limited series, David Burns is

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with me today. Hello, Hey, we're gonna argue. We're gonna

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discuss what is arguably the most important horror film of

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the nineties. Dave, is that there to say?

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Yes, that'd be right, Yes, it is.

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It is. Well, we have a great one to discuss,

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So pull the jiffy pop off the stove and get ready. Yeah,

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you love this one. It's a scream Baby began with

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the scream over nine one one.

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In a town would by fear.

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Wow.

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You have to know theos to survive. Don't answer the phone,

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don't open the door, don't try to hide. Are you The.

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Question is where am I scream?

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The us for a Leer from West Crayton read it

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ar now playing at a theater near you.

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Teenager Sidney Prescott, a high school student at Woodsboro High,

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lost her mother a year ago, and just when things

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can't get worse, she starts receiving frightening phone calls from

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a killer terrorizing her and her friends. The math killer

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likes playing games with deadly results. Sidney is in the

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fight for her life as she struggles to stay alive

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but also uncover just who it is that is trying

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to kill her.

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I want to talk about the opening segment of this film.

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You mean it is the best opening of a horror

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movie of all.

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Okay, I'm glad we agree because I have my notes here.

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It's a and I wrote, greatest thirteen minutes of a

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horror film opening ever.

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Yeah, again, without question, Jeff.

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It blows my mind how just amazing this segment is.

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I mean, it's almost like a little mini movie within

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a movie. Yeah, damn is it good?

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I know, and you know, as many times if both

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of us have seen this film, Like when I watched

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this again this week to prep myself for this podcast,

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I was still on the edge of my seat, and

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I know what's going to happen.

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Let me take you back to the theater in nineteen eighty six.

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You know, it's like mid December. We're watching this and

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think about this all summer long. We are just the

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trailers are making us believe. Well, Drew Barrymore is the

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star of this movie, obviously, yep. And ten minutes in

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you're like, wait, what, Well, she's fine, she that was

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that was a stab on the shoulder. She's okay. And

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then two minutes later she's hanging from the swing sets

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with her guts spilling out of her and it's like

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jawl's hitting the floor of every movie theater.

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Right, Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, I can't believe.

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I can't believe they pulled this off.

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I can't either, And it's yeah, I've non seen a

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horror film has equaled this opening. And I would like

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to say one day we could, but so far nope.

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No. Well, let's talk about openings. Scream opens in fourth place,

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fourth place, Dave. Now, you're not gonna believe the titles

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I'm gonna give you, but it opens behind one hundred

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and one Dalmatians, Jerry Maguire and Beavis and butt Head

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do America. Oh okay, there we go, what's going on

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in that weekend at the theater?

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And well, this was December too, is it not? It

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was December and a horror film in December? Come on,

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come on?

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Well, yeah, taking a chance, You're taking a big chance.

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I get that. A week later, it drops to fifth place,

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and Variety is calling the film quote unquote dead on arrival. However, wrong, wrong, wrong,

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that's right. Audiences are giving this film strong word of mouth,

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and like a killer in a slasher film, it rises

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and moves up to third place, and it's third week, yep,

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and then it stays in the top ten for the

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next nine weeks, as it should have, as it should have. Yeah.

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It goes on to become the thirteenth highest grossing film

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of nineteen ninety six. It is the second Mirramax film

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to gross over one hundred million dollars after Pulp Fiction

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Did It and David's the highest grossing slasher of all

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time until twenty eighteen's Halloween Legacy sequel comes out.

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Yep, yep.

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Yeah, And you know you want to talk about awards

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to know what's surprised? Screen wins Best Movie at the

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MTV Movie Awards. Of course, of course, right, Yes, let's

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talk a little bit about what's going on behind the

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scenes here, how this movie comes to be, how this

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movie came to.

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Be interesting story, is it not?

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I think so? So it's inspired. You know. You got

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Kevin Williamson, who is still a struggling screenwriter. He sees

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some news reports about a real life series of murders

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committed by someone called the Gainesville Ripper. Yep. He takes

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three days he writes a very slick screenplay, calling out

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all the popular cliches found in horror movies. He's listening

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to the film score for Halloween while he writes. Good choice,

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and he calls the project scary movie.

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Glad he changed the name.

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Are you? I say you're among the you know you're

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among the I mean that that thought this was a

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not maybe not the best title for the film. I don't.

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I don't think so. And then the fact that, well

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with what comes with scream, I think that is a

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much better title. Jeff, I think they made the smart

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decision here.

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I think you're right, and I hate to call out

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this guy for doing something right, but I Harvey Weinstein decide, yeah,

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I know. But but in ninety six he decides this

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title needs to change because he's sending it out to

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directors and they're all passing on it because they assume

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it's a spoof film, right, And so he's scrambling and

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then this this Michael Jackson Janet Jackson duet comes out

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called cold Scream. Do you remember that song?

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I do?

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He thinks it's a cool sounding title, and then he

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Weinstein's all over the project and says, this is the

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name of the movie. Now, keep in mind, they've got hats,

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t shirts, they've you know, they've got everything that says

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scary movie. And late in the game they change it

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to scream.

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It's like it's like a Revenge of the Jedi all

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over again, is it not?

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It is? It is? Yep.

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But one of the things that I found interesting, Jeff,

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you know about the I survived scene one eighteen?

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No what Okay, this is gonna be a good story,

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I guess.

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So, as you know, the end of this film at

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that the party at the house, which you know closes

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out the film, was like act forty. Yeah, but it's

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like the entire third act, it's like forty some minutes

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of this film.

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Okay, that's forty forty three something like that.

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Yeah, it took them twenty one days to shoot just

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that scene because it was so massive, and you know

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just how long they sat on that one scene went

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on and on and on, and the cast and crew

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just got so exhausted and tired. But they knew they

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had to get it because the whole movie hinged on

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that scene. So apparently that scene became known as from

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all the cast and crew as I Survived, See One Team.

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Because it took so long to make it, that's what

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they called it, the longest night in horror history.

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I can't believe I've never heard that before. That's awesome. Yeah,

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but I mean, come on, okay, you and I have

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both been on film sets, yep, twenty one days to

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shoot what a third of the movie. That doesn't seem

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like it's out of it doesn't character really it doesn't.

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But when you're sitting on one set practically for that

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many days, that's a lot.

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I mean, you're wearing the exact same clothing, You're in

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the exact same scene. Okay, I get that. That had

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to be tough. And man, hats off to whoever's uh

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doing the continuity on this film.

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Oh god, yeah, for.

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Sure, could you imagine trying to you know, like where

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all the blood is and wherevery you know, the bruises

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and the scrapes and everyone's no chance.

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Man, not at all. And one more tidbit though that

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I want to add to this. Yeah, that house they used.

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Do you know the history of that house? No, I mean,

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I'm assuming they'd built it. It's a set, is what

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I wouldn't. That's a real house. Now, some of the

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interiors and stuff that they probably had to do, some

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of the you know, inside of a studio, but the

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exterior of the house at times that they were using

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a genuine house. Apparently a husband and a wife died

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in that house. Oh they didn't. They couldn't sell the

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house or the family kept it, so they actually rendered

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it out to the studio to make this movie. I

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wonder that house even creepier.

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That house is definitely creepier. You gotta wonder if that

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story is circulating on set, then oh, hey, you know,

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people died in this house. And because on this on

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a horror movie set, you know that we always get

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these great behind the scenes stories about you know, this

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film was cursed and here's why you got You gotta

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wonder what kind of stories were going on? Uh in

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this house is I wonder is the house still there?

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Then that?

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I don't know.

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Oh man, that'd be great to go check that house out.

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Yeah, it's a really cool look at house. Come on,

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it really is. I wouldn't love to own that house.

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I'll buy it, yeah, right, Dave. One thing I want

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to talk about is the film's soundtrack and score. So

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let's be honest. Pretty decent soundtrack with several standout tracks personally. Personally,

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I love the track Youth of America by Bird Brain.

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I think there's a perfectly timed use of Alice Cooper

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schools out. Yeah, and and of course one of the

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most recognizable nineties songs. The second someone plays this song,

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you know you're in a nineties movie. I'm talking about

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Red Right Hand by Nick tabrethan Bad Seeds, Yep, it's anywhere.

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You can't go wrong with Don't Feel the Raaper either, man.

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You know what, that is a great remake. It is

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I'm not remembering who did the remake, but it is

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a good remake. And I kind of dig the fact that,

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you know, I mean, I don't think we're we're we're

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blowing anyone's minds by saying that there are little tributes

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in my just to Halloween sprinkled throughout this whole movie.

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But again Halloween. You know, dol Phil the Reaper was

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used in Halloween. Yep, And now I'm thinking, yeah, they

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used in this too, so another another another not to Halloween.

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I think that's cool.

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And even even Marco Beltrami, who did the score for

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this film, this is his first feature film. He didn't

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do anything. He did like little things for like web episodes,

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TV series and stuff like that, he had not done

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anything like this. And apparently the one of the producers

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went on looking for hey, we need a composer, so

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many different and he put it on the internet and

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everyone was pointing to Marco Buttrami, and that's how he

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got this job on screen. And now he's done, like

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most of the screens now right, I think he's.

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On most of them. He's done. He's went on to

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do several horror films now. Oh yeah, So and listen,

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you're the composer guy. I wanted to confirm this with you,

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and it sounds like what I'm what I'm going to

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ask you. It sounded it's clicking now based on what

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you just said, Apparently he doesn't even like horror films. No,

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and that's why you get this, uh, this this amazing

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score that he does, because it's unlike any other we've

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heard in a horror film. It's it's operatic at times,

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it's got some Western motifs.

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Yeah, that's exactly it. You hit the nail and head

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right there. He did not want a typical horror score

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in this movie, which is why he leaned on a

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Western approach. Apparently he was influenced by eno Mark Morris.

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a little bit of that Western style throughout the film.

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I thought it was fantastic and very fitting.

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those It's one of those scores from a horror film

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that you remember.

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I mean if you you can name some of the

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some of the great you know, Friday thirteenth nightmround Alm Street.

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I'm going to immediately hear the theme in my mind,

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you know, Poltergeist. I hear, I can hear scream And

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it's interesting because he avoids the music cue for ghost Face.

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Did you pick up on that, like I did. And

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it's it's purpose It's purposely done because this is it's

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a slasher film, but it's also a mystere We're trying

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to figure out who is under the mask, and he

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doesn't want to give it, give give you any kind

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of hint when you back on the scream. I love

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that about it.

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this quite a few times on podcasts and to you

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guys when we're not doing podcasts, but I love any

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time a composer can fit in a choir or a chorus,

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and you get hints of that in this movie, you know,

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when the camera slowly moving around, especially when we're on

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Sydney later on as things are happening, and you get

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that little choir going on within the score, which just

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adds so much more dramatic power to what's going on

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in her life at that very moment. Absolutely loved it.

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The Sydney's theme, if you want to call it, that

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is one of the best pieces of music in this film,

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and I love that that they've kind of kept that

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going throughout the entire franchise. Absolutely, yes, talk to me

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about nineties culture that you see in this film.

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So I think with the film itself, Jeff, we know

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horror movies were struggling, right, especially the slasher subgenre of

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this was struggling mightily. When we got to the point

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of this film and the audience in the nineties had

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gotten smarter and somehow, some writer, some director. I'm looking

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at Wes Craven because you did this, but needed to

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step up to bring this to the culture of the

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nineties because that intelligence of horror films had to step

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up or it wasn't going to succeed. So what I

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feel like is that is exactly what Kevin Williamson did here.

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He had to bring some kind of new game to

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the theater that was horror that was going to capture

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a younger audience who did not technically grow up with

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what we grew up with, Jeff. From the seventies and

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the eighties. You still had that crowd because we are there,

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we are, but yet a younger crowd who were born

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in the eighties and were growing up in the nineties

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and you're getting all this new music, you're getting all

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of these new horror movies and you get but were

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not successful until this one came along. But what I

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also want to point out is do not forget a

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movie that came out in nineteen ninety four that I

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feel also influenced this movie, and that is Wes Craven's

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New Nightmare, because if you think about it, that was

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a meta horror film, just like The Scream is a

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meta slasher film. So I feel it has a heavy

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influence on this movie.

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I think you're right. I'll tell you some other fun

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things when you watch this movie and you and things

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are that nineties culture imprinted on this film? Making Jiffy

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pop on the stove? Yeah? Yeah, you know? How about

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how about cellular telephones and cordless phones. Every house had

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a cordless phone and the cellular phone. And I'm saying

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cellular because in this film they're called cellular telephones. I

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love I love the moment when Billy is with the

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sheriff at the police station. He's like, what are you

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doing with a cellular telephone? Son? And he's like, everyone's

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got one nowadays. Share that was a brand, that was

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a brain, that was brand new technology.

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It was yea, even even Jeff became a big thing

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this you know.

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Yeah, yeah caller I d yeah, yeah, everyone. Well, let's

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Let's be honest. Everyone wants Caller I D after this

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movie comes out. Absolutely, you'll pay you'll you'll gladly pay

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uh for Caller ID.

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Because nobody wants to pick up that phone here, Hello Sydney.

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Yeah, yeah, oh I'm you know, even even when he's

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starting out nice and chill, you know, yeah, oh hi,

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I must have dialed the wrong number, you know. He

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quickly turns from that to like, hang up on me.

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I've cut you like a fish. Whoa, whoa. We went

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to an real quick buddy, he does. I'll tell you what, Dave.

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Let's let's take a quick break and when we get back,

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we got to talk about this cast. Welcome back. We

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are talking about Wes Craven's scream. Dave. Let's talk principal

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roles first.

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Well, I want to start off, obviously with the main one,

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and that's Nev Campbell, who plays Sidney Press Scott Jeff.

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You know, you want this young, innocent looking female, which

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is sometimes hard to capture, but when you go casting

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for somebody, that's exactly what they were looking for here

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in Stream, and I think they absolutely nailed it with her.

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Man.

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She came from what part was a party of five.

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She was, she was a she was a hit on

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a Fox with a party of five.

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Yeah, yeah, that's it. That's where she got her start, right.

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Yeah, that's that's where she's getting her start. So yeah, uh,

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let's talk about you know, you said you got to

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get the right girl for this role. Let's talk about

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who wasn't right. So Reese Witherspoon is turned down because

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she looks too young. Kevin Williamson, I'm sure he's crushing

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on this lady, just like we were back in the day.

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But he wants Molly Ringwold to play Sidney Prescott, and

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Molly says, look, I'm a little too old. I'm twenty

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seven years old. I can't play a high school student.

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And ultimately it comes down I think she could. She

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could have pulled it.

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She could have.

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Absolutely, Yeah, Ultimately it comes down to nev Campbell, Alicia

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Witt and Brittany Murphy was never the right choice.

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Alicia Witt. I could see Campbell.

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Yeah, I think I think Campbell's the right choice. Alicia.

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It would have been a good, a good fit for

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it as well. You know, we we will see her later.

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What was it Urban legend?

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Urban legend?

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Yeah, yeah.

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So I just I just think Campbell has that next

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door neighbor girl look that they absolutely needed in this movie,

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and she nailed it.

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She I'm gonna call out the Jamie factor. She has

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the Jamie factor where she like Jamie you know, obviously

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the scream queen of all Stream queens, Jamie Lee Curtis.

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She looks like the girl next door. She's unassuming, she's

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a little a little broken, but she's also tough. She

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can handle it. Exactly, yes, exactly, And I love that

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nev you know, is playing the role not as a victim,

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but as someone that's you know, doesn't necessarily need the help, right,

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he doesn't need her boyfriend to show up, right yep?

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Yep.

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Courtney Cox as Gail Weathers.

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So my understanding is she was tired of the I mean,

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she wasn't tired of it. She was doing friends, and

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she wanted that I need to get rid of the

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I'm I'm you know, happy and everybody loves me. I

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need a a bitch look or a character kind of thing,

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and that's why she wanted This is my understanding, right.

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Yeah, I think about it. She is one of the most

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likable women in Hollywood. At this point, you know, because

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we grew up with her on family ties. We watched

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Bruce Springsteen pull her out of the crowd on a

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music video and dance with her. Yep, and she's she's

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Monica on you know, on friends like and Friends is

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a huge success right now. And Wes Craven's like, no,

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we're not using Courtney Cox. She's just too likable. Yeah,

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but do you do you do you know what Courtney

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Cox did about this? No?

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What did she do?

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So she hears that Craven's really not interested, she writes

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him a letter telling him that being a bitch was

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was not going to be a stretch for her at all,

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like quote unquote, and so he's like, all right, let's

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let's talk to her. Well, she pulled it off, she did.

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I mean think about that, like the first time you

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see her and she's telling Kenny the cameramando, you know

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that that that she is a bitch.

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You know, I.

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Understand you're fifty pounds over wait, but when I say move,

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move your fat ass, like, I'm like, damn, this is

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not Monica.

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No. And even for us, Jeff, when we were watching

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the theater for their first time, we were kind of

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like taken aback by that because you're not used to

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that coming from Courtney Cox.

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No, no, you're not at all. It's uh. I'll tell

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you one thing. I'm I'm so happy that they never

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killed her character off because seeing her throughout this franchise

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has been a lot of fun.

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Oh yeah, I would agree.

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Yeah. I want to talk about one of your buddies.

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Oh I know, can can we talk about Matthew Lillard Leans, Yes, Dave.

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This guy just happens to walk into an audition by chance.

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He's taking his girlfriend on some audition in the same building,

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and they look at him and go, hey, you want

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to come in here and read for this real quick?

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Because think about this at this point, like we saw

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him in uh that movie Hackers. Yep, he hadn't really

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done much else. But I gotta tell you, you know, by

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Kevin Williamson's own recount recounting, this character is brought to

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life because of Matthew Lillard. Like it was under it

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was underdeveloped. Let's let's talk about Matthew Lillard.

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This, in my opinion, he made this film what it

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is because his joking comedy that you get from him.

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But when you realize who he actually is. When you

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get to the end of this film and you look

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back at some of the comments that he made, You're like,

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this guy is seriously unbalanced, and but he's not only scary,

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but he brings a funny level to that scary.

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Jeff, I gotta be honest, man, throughout the movie until

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until the big reveal at the end, like you want

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to hang out with Stu. He's he's I mean, obviously

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he is. He goes over he goes over the line

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a couple of times. So some of his his poor

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tasted humor, like liver alone. You know, I just love

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the ad libit that that Matthew Lillard's doing in this

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like when when Tatum hits him in the head near

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the locker because he's again he says something that's that's

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not that that's sensitive. He's like, what this place is

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like Christmas? Like he is, he's loving, he's loving all

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the attention that the high school is getting because of murders,

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because right because two classmates got murdered.

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And the whole the whole thing. When Skeet Alter throws

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the phone at him, there if there at the end,

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he comes up with that with that you hit me

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with the phone.

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Yeah, well man, yeah, even you know, we talked about

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how nineties culture is influencing this movie. I think one

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of the better scenes in the movie is him and

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Randy at the video store. And let's let's not forget

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video stores were huge at this point. I love the

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fact that Randy's working. I will get to Randy here

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in a second, but I love the fact that he's

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throughing a video store and you know, Randy's giving him

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his theories. He's like, oh really, you know, he's just

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he's playing into it, right right. Yeah. Lillard's awesome. Man.

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I love the fact that he made this character such

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a huge part of this movie. He's definitely stealing most,

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if not all, the scenes that he's in.

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Without that, yeah, yeah he is.

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And Dave, he's such an amazing guy, Like we you know,

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we've talked to him, we've met him. He does the

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cons and dude, you you pray that you can get

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a chance to get in his line and get to

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see him or get to talk to him, because it

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sells out every single time. Right.

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Yeah. He's very friendly to everybody. I mean, he takes

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his time with each person. And Jeff you and I

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were there at Horhow when we saw this that line

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never went away. It had at least what one hundred

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and fifty two hundred people deep and it never went down.

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Well that's the line to get into the line. Yeah, right,

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I mean that's how That's how huge he is at

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these things. Yep. And he embraces the fandom. He embraces

469
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he does. You know, if you're not putting something screen

470
00:24:53.960 --> 00:24:55.720
related in front of him, you're probably putting something Scooby

471
00:24:55.759 --> 00:24:59.480
Doo in front of him. Yep. But he loves it, right, Yeah, absolutely,

472
00:24:59.559 --> 00:24:59.839
he does.

473
00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:03.799
He's always a pleasure to meet when he goes to conventions,

474
00:25:03.799 --> 00:25:04.160
for sure.

475
00:25:04.680 --> 00:25:08.079
I'll tell you he's not alone. Skeet Ulrich is usually

476
00:25:08.119 --> 00:25:11.880
there too. Skeate's playing Billy Loomis, Yep. I want to

477
00:25:11.960 --> 00:25:13.880
I want to give you a what if. Here the

478
00:25:13.960 --> 00:25:19.240
studio is looking at a rising star named Vince Vaughn

479
00:25:19.960 --> 00:25:22.920
to play the role of Billy. Vince Vaughn is sick

480
00:25:23.440 --> 00:25:26.519
during the audition process, never gets the audition, and Yett

481
00:25:26.519 --> 00:25:28.400
to think he's kind of he's kind of he's jumping

482
00:25:28.440 --> 00:25:31.319
on the scene because he's got swingers. Yeah, that comes

483
00:25:31.319 --> 00:25:32.839
out this year and kind of puts him on the map,

484
00:25:33.680 --> 00:25:36.680
is Vince Vaughn. Yeah, you're shaking your head. So I

485
00:25:36.720 --> 00:25:38.519
can't even sell it like he just he would not

486
00:25:38.519 --> 00:25:39.839
have been right for this, right, not.

487
00:25:40.119 --> 00:25:42.799
At all, man, especially after seeing what sket did. I mean,

488
00:25:42.799 --> 00:25:46.319
come on, yeah, there's no way Skeet had that that

489
00:25:46.319 --> 00:25:49.000
that young Johnny Depp going for him here. He really

490
00:25:49.039 --> 00:25:52.319
did with the hair and all that kind of the

491
00:25:52.359 --> 00:25:55.279
way he presents himself. He really did. And I don't

492
00:25:55.279 --> 00:25:57.279
see Vince Vaughn being able to pull that off at all.

493
00:25:57.680 --> 00:25:59.039
I don't think so. I think I think it gets

494
00:25:59.039 --> 00:26:01.680
a little more comical if if Vaughan's got the role.

495
00:26:02.440 --> 00:26:06.039
And I love how serious al Rich is to get

496
00:26:06.039 --> 00:26:09.519
into the role, because to get into the mindset of

497
00:26:09.559 --> 00:26:14.079
Billy Loomis, he's listening to punk music and he's watching

498
00:26:14.119 --> 00:26:17.400
Faces of Death in his hotel room. Nice to kind

499
00:26:17.400 --> 00:26:19.039
of get himself in the in the in the headspace

500
00:26:19.039 --> 00:26:22.920
of Billy Loomis. I'll tell you one thing that Skee

501
00:26:23.079 --> 00:26:26.480
does though he almost single handily sinks this movie before

502
00:26:26.480 --> 00:26:28.559
it comes out. Are you aware of this? No?

503
00:26:29.279 --> 00:26:30.160
What what happened?

504
00:26:30.880 --> 00:26:34.680
He's doing an interview? Oh no, ske what has he done,

505
00:26:35.160 --> 00:26:38.759
mistakenly gives it away that he's he's one of the

506
00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:42.559
killers in this interview. Oh no, you know, this is

507
00:26:42.680 --> 00:26:44.279
this is I mean, we've seen Tom Holland doing this

508
00:26:44.400 --> 00:26:46.799
kind of stuff with Spider Man, you know, you know,

509
00:26:46.839 --> 00:26:49.480
in recent times. But as soon as he realizes it,

510
00:26:49.720 --> 00:26:51.920
cut the interview. He gets on the phone with his agent,

511
00:26:52.839 --> 00:26:55.799
has his agent work over time to kill the story.

512
00:26:56.599 --> 00:26:57.519
Thanks god man.

513
00:26:57.640 --> 00:27:01.720
Yeah, could you imagine, Let's be honest, I can't imagine

514
00:27:01.759 --> 00:27:05.079
any media outlet getting something like that and wanting to

515
00:27:05.160 --> 00:27:07.559
run with it and and ruining something like that.

516
00:27:07.640 --> 00:27:09.960
You know, that is one movie you did not want

517
00:27:10.039 --> 00:27:13.359
ruined for you, Jeff, because what a shock that was

518
00:27:13.440 --> 00:27:16.519
to you when it when when the reveal happened, well.

519
00:27:16.480 --> 00:27:19.279
Yeah, especially you know after after Ghostays pops out and

520
00:27:19.960 --> 00:27:23.039
guts him, you know, he, you know, does the fade

521
00:27:23.039 --> 00:27:26.440
away die you know you said, you know, collapses on

522
00:27:26.480 --> 00:27:29.279
the bed in a pull of blood. It was such

523
00:27:29.279 --> 00:27:33.160
an amazing moment, right yep. Speaking of amazing, we we

524
00:27:33.240 --> 00:27:35.759
got to talk about David Arquette playing Dewey.

525
00:27:36.559 --> 00:27:36.720
Uh.

526
00:27:36.960 --> 00:27:39.200
You know, we're a couple, couple of supporting players. I

527
00:27:39.200 --> 00:27:42.400
want to start with David Arkett of course, Dave, he

528
00:27:42.799 --> 00:27:46.960
had the role of Billy, turns it down because he

529
00:27:47.000 --> 00:27:50.640
wants to play Dewey because then the original script Dewey

530
00:27:50.759 --> 00:27:53.480
was the hunky leading man he was supposed to be,

531
00:27:53.799 --> 00:27:58.000
wasn't supposed to be the bungling Don Knott's type of charactery.

532
00:27:58.000 --> 00:28:01.039
He turned he became. But Arquett's like, I'm gonna be

533
00:28:01.039 --> 00:28:03.839
I'm gonna be the deputy. He's got to save the day.

534
00:28:03.839 --> 00:28:06.720
And Kevin Williamson and Wes Craven had other ideas. But

535
00:28:07.279 --> 00:28:11.000
what do you think again, I can't imagine this franchise

536
00:28:11.039 --> 00:28:12.720
without David Arquette.

537
00:28:12.400 --> 00:28:14.640
Not at all. And he plays you know, even though

538
00:28:14.799 --> 00:28:17.240
it's not what was intended when he got the role,

539
00:28:17.680 --> 00:28:20.519
he did it so well. You know, not only is

540
00:28:20.559 --> 00:28:23.000
he this this guy who's trying to do so good,

541
00:28:23.119 --> 00:28:26.240
but he's like don knots at it. He just tries

542
00:28:26.279 --> 00:28:28.519
too hard that it makes it even worse for himself

543
00:28:29.000 --> 00:28:31.400
that I just he pulls it off so well. I

544
00:28:31.400 --> 00:28:33.279
don't see anybody else in this role no way.

545
00:28:33.799 --> 00:28:36.880
Yeah. I love how he He's believable, Like when he's

546
00:28:36.920 --> 00:28:40.559
being serious and he's being tough, he's believable. And then

547
00:28:40.559 --> 00:28:42.759
when he when he is being a little a little

548
00:28:42.759 --> 00:28:45.160
bit of a goofus, when he's when he's arguing with

549
00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:48.400
his little sister. Yeah, I totally buy it.

550
00:28:48.920 --> 00:28:51.559
It's it's amazing, and you fall in love with his character,

551
00:28:51.680 --> 00:28:53.920
you do. You don't want any anything to happen to

552
00:28:54.000 --> 00:28:56.079
him because he's so innocent, and he pulls it off

553
00:28:56.119 --> 00:28:59.279
so well that you don't want anything to happen to him.

554
00:28:59.279 --> 00:29:01.759
So when it does, are like, oh no, you know.

555
00:29:01.799 --> 00:29:04.880
Yeah, And and Craven gives us this absence of his

556
00:29:05.000 --> 00:29:06.359
character for like the longest time.

557
00:29:06.920 --> 00:29:07.039
Hm.

558
00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:09.200
And then at the very end, Oh, there he is.

559
00:29:09.240 --> 00:29:11.200
He's getting loaded into the back of an ambulance. He's

560
00:29:11.319 --> 00:29:13.680
he's gonna he's gonna be fine, He'll make it, you know,

561
00:29:13.759 --> 00:29:18.319
which becomes like arawling card. Yeah, okay, but a Kyle

562
00:29:18.400 --> 00:29:20.599
becomes his calling card because it happens again at the

563
00:29:20.680 --> 00:29:23.680
end of Scream too. And I you know, he's always like, oh,

564
00:29:23.720 --> 00:29:27.519
I'm gonna make it. I'm gonna make it. Let's talk

565
00:29:27.519 --> 00:29:32.880
about his little sister. Tatum is being played by Rose McGowan. Now,

566
00:29:32.920 --> 00:29:34.599
I know we talked about at the very first episode

567
00:29:34.599 --> 00:29:36.000
of nineteen ninety six, we talked about it. She had

568
00:29:36.039 --> 00:29:39.240
a small role in Biodome. Yeah, no one knows who

569
00:29:39.319 --> 00:29:42.960
she is, and then she's about to explode in popularity

570
00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:46.599
because of Scream. I dig the fact that she takes

571
00:29:46.640 --> 00:29:47.680
ownership of her character.

572
00:29:48.319 --> 00:29:50.279
She does, and she does it well. They even get

573
00:29:50.319 --> 00:29:51.200
with it a blonde wig.

574
00:29:51.240 --> 00:29:53.480
I think they gave her no they she dyed her hair.

575
00:29:53.759 --> 00:29:55.240
She dyed her hair. That's what I knew. There was

576
00:29:55.240 --> 00:29:56.960
something about the hair that they needed to change.

577
00:29:57.319 --> 00:30:00.720
Yeah, well Nev's a brunette and they're like, well, we

578
00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:02.480
can't have to brunette. So she's like, don't worry about it,

579
00:30:02.480 --> 00:30:05.039
I'll dye my hair. Yeah. But I love the fact

580
00:30:05.039 --> 00:30:08.480
that when she shows up for her costume fitting, costume

581
00:30:08.519 --> 00:30:12.559
designer has envisioned her as a tomboy mm hmm, and

582
00:30:12.680 --> 00:30:14.480
Rose McGowan is like, no, I'm going to play the

583
00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:19.640
sexy one. But the costumes, I was like, you know, here,

584
00:30:19.759 --> 00:30:22.519
try these. Gives her a pair of denim overalls and

585
00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:24.960
she says, hey, these are these are very in and

586
00:30:25.039 --> 00:30:29.519
Rose says they are very never he goes to them

587
00:30:29.519 --> 00:30:32.640
all though, and she buys her own wardrobe with her

588
00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:35.400
own money. I mean that's commitment, right, It is commitment.

589
00:30:35.480 --> 00:30:37.799
Yeah, and she pulled it off because she looked fantastic

590
00:30:37.920 --> 00:30:38.599
to this movie.

591
00:30:38.880 --> 00:30:42.240
She's She's awesome in this movie. You know, I love She's.

592
00:30:42.599 --> 00:30:46.039
She is a very believable best friend character.

593
00:30:46.519 --> 00:30:46.720
Yeah.

594
00:30:46.759 --> 00:30:49.039
And again we're talking about Slasher, and you know, these

595
00:30:49.119 --> 00:30:52.039
these these characters, they're not gonna last. But I kind

596
00:30:52.039 --> 00:30:54.559
of feel like I wish she wasn't. I mean, she

597
00:30:54.599 --> 00:30:58.359
had one of the most spectacular death scenes Slasher film, Yeah,

598
00:30:58.599 --> 00:31:00.720
with the garage door. But I wish I wish she

599
00:31:00.759 --> 00:31:02.559
would have survived. Man would have been fun to see

600
00:31:02.559 --> 00:31:04.759
her move on throughout the franchise.

601
00:31:05.079 --> 00:31:07.839
I agree, Yeah, it would have been fun moving on.

602
00:31:08.279 --> 00:31:11.359
H Let's talk about Jamie Kennedy playing Randy.

603
00:31:12.480 --> 00:31:15.000
Who's been fired several times from a video store, but

604
00:31:15.079 --> 00:31:16.039
he's still working there.

605
00:31:16.640 --> 00:31:20.880
Yeah, yeah, no danger getting fired from the film, though

606
00:31:21.039 --> 00:31:23.480
he wins the role over Seth Green, which I totally

607
00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:24.559
can see Seth Green doing this.

608
00:31:24.640 --> 00:31:25.559
I can't see that too.

609
00:31:25.640 --> 00:31:28.400
Yeah. Yeah, but I'm glad we got Jamie Kennedy because,

610
00:31:29.240 --> 00:31:32.240
you know, earlier we see him, he's playing a very

611
00:31:32.279 --> 00:31:36.519
small supported character in bas Lehrman's Romeo and Juliet. You

612
00:31:36.519 --> 00:31:39.480
know earlier, this earlier in nineteen eighty six. He is

613
00:31:39.519 --> 00:31:41.680
a Wes Craven favorite though, because he's doing a lot

614
00:31:41.680 --> 00:31:44.400
of ad libbing and he's got the cast laughing. He's

615
00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:47.480
got Wes Craven laughing like that whole Jerry Lewis bit

616
00:31:47.559 --> 00:31:48.160
that's all him.

617
00:31:48.680 --> 00:31:49.799
Wow, that's impressive.

618
00:31:50.160 --> 00:31:52.480
Yeah. A lot of his a lot of his lines

619
00:31:52.480 --> 00:31:54.319
are like ad lib They're like, go ahead, and Randy,

620
00:31:54.359 --> 00:31:56.000
you know, go ahead, Jamie, do what you want to do.

621
00:31:56.039 --> 00:31:56.440
Just do it.

622
00:31:56.559 --> 00:31:56.839
Yeah.

623
00:31:57.640 --> 00:31:59.319
It's kind of like the Bill Murray thing. Just do

624
00:31:59.400 --> 00:32:01.240
what you want in front of the camera and because

625
00:32:01.240 --> 00:32:02.880
you're sted, you can pull it off.

626
00:32:03.200 --> 00:32:06.160
But for an unknown to do it like he's like, look,

627
00:32:06.200 --> 00:32:07.559
he's looking at Wes Craven like, hey, can I have

628
00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:10.680
one more take and try something different? Wes is like, sure, man,

629
00:32:10.839 --> 00:32:11.279
go for it.

630
00:32:12.079 --> 00:32:14.279
And I think we're connected to him some because he's

631
00:32:14.279 --> 00:32:16.799
such a horror fan like we are, and how much

632
00:32:16.839 --> 00:32:21.640
he loves movies and just obsesses over them, talks about him.

633
00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:23.519
We connect with him, I think a lot easier.

634
00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:27.440
I'll be honest, man, you know, Yeah, he's the nerd

635
00:32:28.599 --> 00:32:31.839
archetype in this movie. I don't care. Like when I'm

636
00:32:31.880 --> 00:32:35.240
watching the movie the first time when I'm watching it yesterday,

637
00:32:35.359 --> 00:32:39.599
He's always like my guide. I'm connected to him, and

638
00:32:39.599 --> 00:32:43.599
it's because of the confidence he has with his movie knowledge. Yep,

639
00:32:44.279 --> 00:32:47.599
and he's He's got maybe one of the most important

640
00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:51.359
scenes in the entire film when he delivers the rules.

641
00:32:51.480 --> 00:32:52.880
You want you want to talk about the rules here?

642
00:32:53.559 --> 00:32:57.559
Oh yeah, let's talk about the rules. Jesus Christ, you

643
00:32:57.559 --> 00:32:59.799
don't know the rules have an aneurism.

644
00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:03.559
There are certain rules that one must abide by in

645
00:33:03.640 --> 00:33:07.960
order to successfully survive a horror movie. For instance, number one,

646
00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:17.880
you can never have sex, big big, number seven saith okay.

647
00:33:18.160 --> 00:33:24.599
Number two you can never drink or do drugs the

648
00:33:24.799 --> 00:33:28.160
sind factor. It says sin. It's an extension of number

649
00:33:28.160 --> 00:33:32.519
one and number three. Never ever, ever, under any circumstances,

650
00:33:32.559 --> 00:33:34.799
say I'll be right back, because you won't be back.

651
00:33:34.839 --> 00:33:35.759
I'm getting another beer.

652
00:33:35.799 --> 00:33:41.079
You want one? Yeah, sure, I'll be right back, all right, Dave,

653
00:33:42.039 --> 00:33:45.359
never have sex, never drink or do drugs, and never

654
00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:46.680
say I'll be right back.

655
00:33:48.480 --> 00:33:52.359
I'll be back. Such a good scene.

656
00:33:53.440 --> 00:33:55.279
Is this some of the most brilliant writing that Kevin

657
00:33:55.279 --> 00:34:00.640
Williamson's gonna do in this script? Because I know, I

658
00:34:00.680 --> 00:34:03.839
know you're a huge fan of horror films like I am.

659
00:34:03.839 --> 00:34:06.599
And when you look at these three rules, I can

660
00:34:07.400 --> 00:34:10.920
instantly I don't care pick the pick the the horror franchise.

661
00:34:11.679 --> 00:34:15.079
Yeah you can. You can say, hey, never have sex.

662
00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:17.480
And whether whether I say Friday thirteenth, whether I say Halloween,

663
00:34:17.480 --> 00:34:20.920
whether I say Nightmare arm Street. Yeah, you can immediately

664
00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:25.119
think of scenes, repeated scenes where this happens time and

665
00:34:25.119 --> 00:34:28.280
time again, and he's like, yeah, well that that person's

666
00:34:28.320 --> 00:34:31.519
gonna die because they you know, they just had sex.

667
00:34:31.559 --> 00:34:33.760
So that person's gonna die because they just went skinny dipping.

668
00:34:33.960 --> 00:34:39.079
That person's gonna die because they just smoke pot. What. Yeah,

669
00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:43.519
this meta commentary though, that that Kevin Williamson creates in

670
00:34:43.559 --> 00:34:46.559
this movie. To your point, you're talking about, we have

671
00:34:46.599 --> 00:34:51.480
a smarter audience. Now, yep, kids aren't gonna run around,

672
00:34:51.480 --> 00:34:54.559
you know, run run back into the house. You know.

673
00:34:55.000 --> 00:34:57.079
Beautiful girls aren't gonna hear a noise and then decide

674
00:34:57.119 --> 00:34:58.639
to take their clothes off and get in the shower.

675
00:34:59.760 --> 00:35:04.159
They're smarter now, aar And I love I love a

676
00:35:04.280 --> 00:35:08.280
character like Randy because he is so in tune with

677
00:35:08.280 --> 00:35:10.480
with how you should behave in a horror film.

678
00:35:10.719 --> 00:35:16.360
Right. Absolutely, the whole intertwining two of his character at

679
00:35:16.360 --> 00:35:19.320
the party house with Halloween and all of that on

680
00:35:19.320 --> 00:35:21.519
how the Entertwina into the story of what was going

681
00:35:21.559 --> 00:35:26.239
on in the real world, just with absolutely brilliant Jeff brilliant.

682
00:35:26.840 --> 00:35:30.599
How about he's watching Halloween saying no, don't do that,

683
00:35:30.800 --> 00:35:33.320
don't turn around, turn around.

684
00:35:33.119 --> 00:35:34.760
As it's happening behind him.

685
00:35:34.519 --> 00:35:37.199
As it's happening behind him, and then Gail Weathers and

686
00:35:37.280 --> 00:35:40.679
Kenny are in the van. Yeah, and they're turnaround, kid,

687
00:35:40.679 --> 00:35:43.119
turn around. You know, it's like they're watching him. He's

688
00:35:43.159 --> 00:35:48.199
watching Jamie Lee. It's a It's absolutely brilliant. The fact

689
00:35:48.239 --> 00:35:51.719
that they incorporated the Halloween theme, Carpenter's Halloween theme into

690
00:35:51.760 --> 00:35:56.079
that scene, especially do it when Dewey comes in. I

691
00:35:56.079 --> 00:35:58.760
mean he's hitting the marks perfectly. I mean I don't

692
00:35:58.800 --> 00:36:01.719
I don't know how many takes that too, but Dewey

693
00:36:01.760 --> 00:36:04.800
is reacting and the music, Carpenter's music is in perfect

694
00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:05.599
sync with him.

695
00:36:05.880 --> 00:36:12.119
See one eighteen baby, all.

696
00:36:12.119 --> 00:36:16.039
Right, one more guy, I gotta talk about and I

697
00:36:16.079 --> 00:36:18.880
have a theory I want to share with you, please.

698
00:36:18.920 --> 00:36:19.559
I love theories.

699
00:36:19.880 --> 00:36:23.360
Hear it? All right? Joseph Whip is playing the sheriff.

700
00:36:24.639 --> 00:36:27.320
He's had some fun scenes. I've got a theory, though,

701
00:36:28.079 --> 00:36:30.400
I'm gonna take you back. I got a theory that's

702
00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:34.679
going to connect Scream a Nightmare on Elm Street and

703
00:36:34.840 --> 00:36:40.760
Escape from Alcatraz. Okay, hold on, Okay, So Joseph Whipp

704
00:36:41.559 --> 00:36:47.079
played a prison guard in Escape from Alcatraz, and then

705
00:36:47.079 --> 00:36:49.320
he's playing a couple of years later. You know what

706
00:36:49.360 --> 00:36:50.719
was that that you guys just covered that. So it's

707
00:36:50.760 --> 00:36:55.719
nineteen seventy nine, correct, all right, nineteen eighty four. He's

708
00:36:55.760 --> 00:37:00.840
playing a police sergeant in Nightmare on Elm Street and

709
00:37:00.880 --> 00:37:05.920
now he's the sheriff. Okay. My theory is he's playing

710
00:37:05.960 --> 00:37:06.440
the same guy.

711
00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:09.800
Okay, I can see this.

712
00:37:10.239 --> 00:37:12.960
Okay, So and I you know, and are some of

713
00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:19.480
our horror fans that are listening right right now going whoa, whoa, whoa. Now,

714
00:37:19.480 --> 00:37:21.679
I mean, Arb Street takes place in spring Wood, Ohio.

715
00:37:21.840 --> 00:37:23.599
You guys should know that because you're in Ohio and.

716
00:37:23.559 --> 00:37:24.920
We do, yes, we do.

717
00:37:25.000 --> 00:37:27.400
We know this little liberty with with with this, I'm

718
00:37:27.400 --> 00:37:29.239
gonna I'm gonna give me a little latitude. I'm gonnae

719
00:37:29.239 --> 00:37:33.960
you know, because obviously Alcatraz is in San Francisco right,

720
00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:39.599
and Woodsboro is in It's in California, isn't my understanding?

721
00:37:39.719 --> 00:37:41.840
Yep, Northern California, Northern California.

722
00:37:41.920 --> 00:37:47.360
So my thought is this guy promotes, you know, he's

723
00:37:47.400 --> 00:37:50.159
he's a prison guard, you know, early in his career.

724
00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:55.159
Maybe he moves across across the country, ends up to the

725
00:37:55.159 --> 00:37:59.079
mid Boston, Ohio. I can see that goes through you know,

726
00:37:59.159 --> 00:38:03.079
has has the Springwood Slasher, all these murders happening, can't

727
00:38:03.079 --> 00:38:04.840
handle it. Yeah, you know what, it's time to go

728
00:38:04.880 --> 00:38:08.400
back home, moves back home to California, settles in northern

729
00:38:08.400 --> 00:38:12.719
California and Woodsboro, and rises through the ranks from sergeant

730
00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:13.679
to sheriff.

731
00:38:14.039 --> 00:38:16.639
I truly like this theory, Jeff, I can see this

732
00:38:16.760 --> 00:38:18.039
now that you mentioned it.

733
00:38:18.320 --> 00:38:22.480
Yes, yeah, absolutely, yeah. I mean I don't know, maybe

734
00:38:22.519 --> 00:38:23.920
it's a far stretch, but I dig it.

735
00:38:24.039 --> 00:38:25.119
Yeah, I like it.

736
00:38:26.039 --> 00:38:30.880
Yeah, Clint Eastwood's Alcatraz, knightment elm Street in this. It's

737
00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:32.480
all happening together because of this.

738
00:38:32.599 --> 00:38:34.840
If I was a director right now, I would say

739
00:38:34.880 --> 00:38:36.239
cut Rennett.

740
00:38:38.719 --> 00:38:45.039
All right, cameos and before they were famous extras. Obviously,

741
00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:47.440
the we didn't expect it to be a cameo, But

742
00:38:47.840 --> 00:38:50.639
Drew Barrymore playing Casey Becker did not.

743
00:38:50.639 --> 00:38:52.519
Expect what we got out of that character. You thought,

744
00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:54.320
obviously what you said earlier, that we had a bigger

745
00:38:54.400 --> 00:38:59.000
role from her playing Casey. But then well that ended

746
00:38:59.039 --> 00:38:59.719
pretty quickly.

747
00:39:00.440 --> 00:39:03.199
Yeah, but move to our shock. Yeah.

748
00:39:03.360 --> 00:39:05.199
Yeah, but good move of putting her in there like

749
00:39:05.239 --> 00:39:07.679
that and trying to throw us off. And they did.

750
00:39:07.880 --> 00:39:09.519
They did a really good job of that.

751
00:39:10.119 --> 00:39:12.679
Well they did. And then but think about this, this

752
00:39:12.760 --> 00:39:16.519
becomes the new normal, right, like, hey, let's get a

753
00:39:16.559 --> 00:39:20.280
big star to do a glorified cameo and we'll kill

754
00:39:20.320 --> 00:39:21.840
them off at the beginning of the of the of

755
00:39:21.840 --> 00:39:25.760
the movie exactly, and it and it works, it does.

756
00:39:26.199 --> 00:39:28.800
Yeah, it paid off well for them. I mean again,

757
00:39:28.840 --> 00:39:30.840
this movie is hitting on all cylinders. So just another

758
00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:33.079
thing they knocked it out of the park with I

759
00:39:33.920 --> 00:39:34.519
Wes Craven.

760
00:39:34.599 --> 00:39:37.480
I was listening to the audio commentary, mm hmm. That

761
00:39:37.719 --> 00:39:39.840
you know, there's a great audio commentary out there that

762
00:39:40.039 --> 00:39:43.320
Wes Craven and Kevin Williamson do. It's on the it's

763
00:39:43.360 --> 00:39:47.800
on the original DVD release. Have you have you listened

764
00:39:47.840 --> 00:39:49.559
to that? Have you? Are you aware of what he

765
00:39:49.639 --> 00:39:54.559
did to Drew Barrymore Wes Craven by the way.

766
00:39:54.800 --> 00:39:55.840
I think, yes, I do.

767
00:39:56.000 --> 00:39:58.320
The way he made her cry, Yeah, have you heard

768
00:39:58.320 --> 00:39:59.159
this story? Yeah?

769
00:39:59.159 --> 00:40:01.239
I guess he told her about like, was it pets

770
00:40:01.679 --> 00:40:05.280
getting killed? Well, okay, so pets or something like that.

771
00:40:05.679 --> 00:40:09.760
Drew shared a story with Wes Craven and she said, hey,

772
00:40:10.519 --> 00:40:13.079
I read the most upsetting thing the other night. This

773
00:40:13.119 --> 00:40:17.119
guy was torturing a dog by burning it with a

774
00:40:17.159 --> 00:40:20.079
cigarette lighter and they caught him, and she said it

775
00:40:20.119 --> 00:40:23.280
brought her to tears. And Wes talks on the commentary

776
00:40:23.320 --> 00:40:25.360
about how this is a this is a situation where

777
00:40:25.480 --> 00:40:28.159
an actor puts a lot of trust in you to

778
00:40:28.280 --> 00:40:31.599
get a certain performance out of them. Now, you know,

779
00:40:31.719 --> 00:40:34.840
take after take. I mean she is she is just

780
00:40:35.320 --> 00:40:39.000
beside herself with terror. She's crying her eyes out, and

781
00:40:39.400 --> 00:40:41.239
to ask someone to do that over and over again,

782
00:40:41.280 --> 00:40:44.800
that's not easy, No, it's not Wes. Wes told her

783
00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:47.280
every time they were starting to take to get her

784
00:40:47.480 --> 00:40:50.679
get her ready, he would whisper in her ear, Drew,

785
00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:54.480
I'm lighting the lighter and make her think about that

786
00:40:54.639 --> 00:40:57.480
terrible story. And then the water you know, water works

787
00:40:57.480 --> 00:40:58.119
are on right.

788
00:40:58.599 --> 00:41:01.360
The thing director to du boy out of the actor. Hey, whatever,

789
00:41:01.800 --> 00:41:02.360
I guess.

790
00:41:02.599 --> 00:41:08.159
Poor Drew Barrymore. We got some We've got some other

791
00:41:08.159 --> 00:41:13.159
cameos here. Uh, come on, Wes Craven, Come on, Wes

792
00:41:13.239 --> 00:41:15.840
Craven playing Fred the Janitor. How about how about Linda

793
00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:19.320
Blair as that really obnoxious reporter. How does it feel

794
00:41:19.400 --> 00:41:21.360
to almost get gutted? You know? Or what I came

795
00:41:21.559 --> 00:41:25.079
what she says? But people have a right to know. Yeah.

796
00:41:26.039 --> 00:41:27.639
Do you know this is the second time she's worked

797
00:41:27.639 --> 00:41:28.519
with Wes west Craven.

798
00:41:29.000 --> 00:41:29.920
What was the first one?

799
00:41:30.440 --> 00:41:33.719
She did an NBC Movie of the Week with Wes

800
00:41:33.800 --> 00:41:35.440
Craven called Stranger in the House.

801
00:41:36.039 --> 00:41:36.719
No, I didn't know that.

802
00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:39.599
I'd love to just think. Listen to that title. He

803
00:41:39.760 --> 00:41:42.119
hear that title. You know it's gotta be something good. Yeah.

804
00:41:42.199 --> 00:41:43.280
Absolutely, We'll have.

805
00:41:43.280 --> 00:41:46.719
To look that up. What do you think of Henry

806
00:41:46.719 --> 00:41:48.840
Winkler playing Prince on Henbrey Dude?

807
00:41:48.840 --> 00:41:51.079
Come on, what a what a perfect role for him?

808
00:41:51.519 --> 00:41:53.480
And then his leather jacket was in the closet. Did

809
00:41:53.480 --> 00:41:53.880
you see that?

810
00:41:54.840 --> 00:42:02.199
Wait jacket? Yes, go back and I gotta go back.

811
00:42:02.239 --> 00:42:04.159
I gotta go back and see that. Now. You gotta

812
00:42:04.159 --> 00:42:04.639
be kidding me.

813
00:42:04.880 --> 00:42:07.440
No, And he even brushes his hair like Phonsie did.

814
00:42:09.079 --> 00:42:11.639
Yeah, the hair thing. I caught that if you if

815
00:42:11.639 --> 00:42:14.480
you grew up watching Happy Days reruns, and you know,

816
00:42:14.599 --> 00:42:17.880
he's doing some Fonzie stuff. I love the fact that

817
00:42:17.960 --> 00:42:20.639
his death scene it wasn't even part of the act.

818
00:42:20.719 --> 00:42:23.639
It wasn't it wasn't even part of the movie initially.

819
00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:29.519
But it's Bob Weinstein, not Harvey Bob uh. He says, hey, man,

820
00:42:29.599 --> 00:42:31.639
you you know he's complaining because there's too much time

821
00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:34.719
passing between Drew Barrymore's murder and the third act.

822
00:42:35.320 --> 00:42:37.800
We need somebody, like we need what we got, you know.

823
00:42:37.880 --> 00:42:39.880
And if you think about it, it kind of answers

824
00:42:39.920 --> 00:42:41.400
the question like, you know, we have a house full

825
00:42:41.440 --> 00:42:45.559
of kids at St. Stu's party. Why wouldn't they be

826
00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:49.039
there all night partying? You know, so you know, and

827
00:42:49.079 --> 00:42:51.480
it's it's his murder that they're all like, well, he's

828
00:42:51.519 --> 00:42:54.880
hanging from the football field, let's go see. Yeah. So

829
00:42:55.480 --> 00:42:59.960
I think that worked out pretty good. And I did

830
00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:03.559
the fact that he even tries on the ghost face.

831
00:43:03.880 --> 00:43:07.280
You know, Speaking of that, did you did you catch

832
00:43:07.880 --> 00:43:11.360
when Dewey brings out the costume packaging at the precinct?

833
00:43:11.519 --> 00:43:13.760
Did you catch that what you know what the actual

834
00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:17.639
name of that costume is. No, I didn't Father Death.

835
00:43:19.039 --> 00:43:22.519
Okay, yeah, okay, glad we didn't go with that name.

836
00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:24.559
Yeah. Well, I mean, you know it's it's like a

837
00:43:24.599 --> 00:43:27.599
spirit Halloween costume that Dewey walks out with. But as

838
00:43:27.639 --> 00:43:30.679
I paused it, I was like, wait, oh, it's Father Death. Okay,

839
00:43:32.400 --> 00:43:35.719
another blink and you miss a cameo here. Francis Lee

840
00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:41.840
McCain plays Dewey and Tatum's mom. Yep, famous eighties mom right.

841
00:43:42.360 --> 00:43:45.920
Oh man, I loved her from Gremlins. I loved her mother,

842
00:43:46.360 --> 00:43:47.519
and that's right.

843
00:43:47.679 --> 00:43:52.079
Yeah. I mean, listen, with all all due respect to

844
00:43:52.119 --> 00:43:55.440
Francis Lee McCain, she's she's not the ultimate eighties mom.

845
00:43:55.440 --> 00:43:58.760
We know, we know d Wallace of Beloved d Wallace

846
00:43:58.840 --> 00:44:01.119
is the ultimate eighties mom. But but Francis Lee McCain,

847
00:44:01.199 --> 00:44:03.400
you know, she's she's a she's a worthy contender, right,

848
00:44:03.559 --> 00:44:08.519
she is, absolutely Yeah, nice to see her. And then lastly, uh,

849
00:44:08.679 --> 00:44:13.679
Leev Schreiber plays cotton Weary yep. Now obviously he has

850
00:44:13.719 --> 00:44:16.360
a significant role in the second and third one.

851
00:44:16.639 --> 00:44:17.519
Oh yeah, of course.

852
00:44:18.199 --> 00:44:22.159
But think about this, It was uh what like a

853
00:44:22.159 --> 00:44:25.239
few years prior we see his his big screen debut

854
00:44:25.239 --> 00:44:29.280
in a Christmas movie called Mixed Nuts. We covered it, uh,

855
00:44:29.480 --> 00:44:30.880
Brad and I covered that one a couple of years

856
00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:34.079
ago for Christmas, yep, remember, And he's amazing in that

857
00:44:34.199 --> 00:44:36.840
in that role. If you've I mean, we've seen Lee

858
00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:39.440
Schreiber play the tough guy, We've seen him play an

859
00:44:39.599 --> 00:44:41.760
X Men mutant, we've seen we've seen him do a lot.

860
00:44:42.159 --> 00:44:45.079
Oh yeah, if you haven't seen Mixed Nuts, I don't

861
00:44:45.079 --> 00:44:47.000
want to spoil it. I'll just say if you want

862
00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:49.719
to see Leev like you've never seen him before and

863
00:44:49.960 --> 00:44:53.519
in a pretty amazing performance, check out Mixed Nuts. Uh

864
00:44:54.000 --> 00:44:56.920
this holiday season coming up, when when it's Christmas time,

865
00:44:56.960 --> 00:44:59.480
you know it's a great film. But uh man, he's

866
00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:03.320
he's doing something amazing and that fit but uh kind

867
00:45:03.320 --> 00:45:06.079
of amazing. He gets this role and then it becomes

868
00:45:06.079 --> 00:45:06.519
something so.

869
00:45:06.519 --> 00:45:09.679
Much bigger than the Yeah, the singles they could have

870
00:45:09.679 --> 00:45:12.800
predicted sequel with coming or where we're at now working

871
00:45:12.840 --> 00:45:16.599
on part seven. But yeah, I mean, small little role

872
00:45:16.639 --> 00:45:19.119
on the news footage and then he turned into a

873
00:45:19.119 --> 00:45:20.760
big role. So yeah, you didn't see that coming.

874
00:45:21.119 --> 00:45:23.639
I mean that's like what like an hour is worth

875
00:45:23.679 --> 00:45:26.840
of work that day. Yeah, getting the car walk to

876
00:45:26.880 --> 00:45:32.440
the car. That's it. That's it. No lines, but always

877
00:45:32.440 --> 00:45:34.199
cool to like to go back and look at like,

878
00:45:34.199 --> 00:45:36.440
oh yeah, he wasn't screamed the first screen, but I

879
00:45:36.559 --> 00:45:39.920
love it when they had a very very small role. Yep, Dave,

880
00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:42.880
let's take one last break and when we come back,

881
00:45:43.679 --> 00:45:50.079
it'll be time for keeping it real. Okay, Dave, it's

882
00:45:50.119 --> 00:45:50.960
time to keep it real.

883
00:45:51.880 --> 00:45:52.360
Let's do it.

884
00:45:52.679 --> 00:45:54.760
I got three quite a look, you're new to nineteen

885
00:45:54.800 --> 00:45:58.960
ninety six. We're almost the season, this series is almost done.

886
00:45:59.800 --> 00:46:03.400
You have jumped right in, You're gonna be here for

887
00:46:03.440 --> 00:46:05.480
a limited amount of time, and then you're jumping right

888
00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:09.239
back out of it it out, So let me uh,

889
00:46:09.280 --> 00:46:13.639
I got three questions for you. First, one m one

890
00:46:13.679 --> 00:46:18.800
of our favorite actors, Billy Zopka was dominating Dojo's high

891
00:46:18.800 --> 00:46:23.239
school cafeterias and college swimming pools in some of the

892
00:46:23.280 --> 00:46:27.840
best movies in the eighties. Then he's notably absent from

893
00:46:27.920 --> 00:46:30.920
Hollywood for most of the nineties. So the question is

894
00:46:31.719 --> 00:46:35.559
what about zob Dave, I want you to replace one

895
00:46:35.599 --> 00:46:38.960
actor from this film with William Zopka. What role has

896
00:46:39.000 --> 00:46:42.639
he taken Billy Loomis. Oh, Billy Loomis.

897
00:46:44.000 --> 00:46:50.199
Okay, the hair, yeah, everything about him, his performance, his

898
00:46:50.559 --> 00:46:54.480
absolutely Billy Loomis. When I read that question immediately, that's

899
00:46:54.480 --> 00:46:55.239
who came to mind.

900
00:46:55.960 --> 00:47:00.320
Zopka has played uh, he's played a boyfriend that maybe

901
00:47:00.320 --> 00:47:02.679
could have been a little bit nicer to his girlfriend

902
00:47:02.719 --> 00:47:06.880
in some movies, right, some of his performances. Okay, Billy, Okay,

903
00:47:06.920 --> 00:47:09.400
I didn't have him as Billy Loomis, but now that

904
00:47:09.480 --> 00:47:12.239
I'm seeing it, and I think that'd be that would

905
00:47:12.239 --> 00:47:15.119
have been good chemistry with between him and Matthew Lillard.

906
00:47:15.400 --> 00:47:18.920
Yeah, absolutely, yeah, all right, who did you have?

907
00:47:19.800 --> 00:47:23.960
I got Zobka's Dewey only only he's probably not going

908
00:47:24.039 --> 00:47:27.119
to play it as the aloof you know, Bubbling. He's

909
00:47:27.159 --> 00:47:29.480
going to play it like the original, a little bit

910
00:47:29.519 --> 00:47:32.880
more leading man, a little bit more masculine. Yeah, I

911
00:47:32.920 --> 00:47:35.280
see Zobka putting the moves on Gil Weathers for sure.

912
00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:36.679
Absolutely.

913
00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:42.760
Yeah. All right, Dave a question you have answered many

914
00:47:42.840 --> 00:47:50.360
times on our nineteen eighty six series sequel prequel remake.

915
00:47:51.079 --> 00:47:53.960
If you controlled this ip, what would be your pitch

916
00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:56.119
to the studio to revive it? And I gotta be

917
00:47:56.159 --> 00:47:59.199
honest with you, man, We've had a franchise full of sequels,

918
00:47:59.239 --> 00:48:01.679
We've had a TV series, So what what what do

919
00:48:01.719 --> 00:48:03.599
we do here? We got you said, we got the

920
00:48:03.599 --> 00:48:05.639
seventh one coming out soon? What are you gonna do?

921
00:48:06.480 --> 00:48:09.159
You know? I hate giving that answer that you know,

922
00:48:09.920 --> 00:48:11.880
to be honest with you, the franchise needs to end.

923
00:48:12.559 --> 00:48:14.719
It's it's gone on and on and on and on,

924
00:48:14.800 --> 00:48:16.440
and Part seven is coming out now. I don't know

925
00:48:16.440 --> 00:48:19.800
what the plans are, but one of if if I

926
00:48:19.920 --> 00:48:23.199
needed to make another sequel, that's where I would go

927
00:48:23.280 --> 00:48:26.800
with it. And and I know that this rumor has

928
00:48:26.840 --> 00:48:29.239
been out there, people have talked about it. It's been

929
00:48:29.320 --> 00:48:33.400
on some chat groups and stuff like that. We technically

930
00:48:33.599 --> 00:48:39.159
did not see Stu die. And if you want to

931
00:48:39.199 --> 00:48:43.320
bring the franchise back into a whole new area because

932
00:48:43.440 --> 00:48:46.760
it has been beaten to death, give a Steu again.

933
00:48:47.800 --> 00:48:50.360
Maybe who knows. Maybe it was kept a secret that

934
00:48:50.400 --> 00:48:52.079
he was still alive. He was taken to a hospital

935
00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:57.320
somewhere and he did survive. They hit him somewhere. I

936
00:48:57.360 --> 00:48:58.320
don't know what it could.

937
00:48:58.119 --> 00:49:01.239
Be, well, slasher film, right, you could.

938
00:49:01.280 --> 00:49:02.559
Yeah, anything can happen.

939
00:49:02.519 --> 00:49:03.760
Anything can happen these movies.

940
00:49:04.159 --> 00:49:08.880
Yeah, and he's brought back. I know Laurie Metcalf, which

941
00:49:09.039 --> 00:49:09.280
was that.

942
00:49:09.239 --> 00:49:11.320
Part that was the second one when they're at come

943
00:49:11.599 --> 00:49:13.519
the second one. Yes, so I know he's definitely not

944
00:49:13.519 --> 00:49:14.159
coming back.

945
00:49:14.639 --> 00:49:16.360
Right right, But I'm just saying that whole involvement of

946
00:49:16.360 --> 00:49:19.800
her character kind of overshadows a little bit where I'm

947
00:49:19.840 --> 00:49:23.119
going with Stu on this one. But it still could happen.

948
00:49:23.280 --> 00:49:26.079
In my opinion, that's the only thing I really could

949
00:49:26.119 --> 00:49:29.119
see that to really make me go, holy crap, I

950
00:49:29.280 --> 00:49:31.400
want to see that so bad because so much stuff

951
00:49:31.400 --> 00:49:32.519
has been done with this franchise.

952
00:49:32.559 --> 00:49:32.760
Man.

953
00:49:33.320 --> 00:49:36.920
Well, now keep in mind something, if you brought Stu back,

954
00:49:37.320 --> 00:49:42.159
he would have to be in the film as a

955
00:49:42.280 --> 00:49:45.440
suspect or a red herring for the audience. So we

956
00:49:45.440 --> 00:49:47.960
couldn't I mean, we couldn't. We couldn't show the audience

957
00:49:48.000 --> 00:49:51.360
today like here's these seven people and you're trying to

958
00:49:51.360 --> 00:49:52.840
play detective to figure out who it is and then

959
00:49:52.840 --> 00:49:55.480
all of a sudden, wait, holy what the hell, it's

960
00:49:56.440 --> 00:49:59.480
Stu's back. You'd have to happen, so you know, whether

961
00:49:59.519 --> 00:50:04.440
he's like, you know, an asylum, or he's you know,

962
00:50:04.679 --> 00:50:06.920
he's released or something, I don't know.

963
00:50:07.440 --> 00:50:09.079
Yeah, I mean I don't know how you explain, obviously

964
00:50:09.079 --> 00:50:11.400
because of Lord and that CAFF's character in the sequel,

965
00:50:11.440 --> 00:50:14.440
But still I can't see anything else, to be honest

966
00:50:14.440 --> 00:50:16.079
with you, it's just it's just been done.

967
00:50:16.599 --> 00:50:18.360
Hey, if we get if we get Matthew Lillard back,

968
00:50:18.400 --> 00:50:21.000
I'm all for it because we Yeah, we love we

969
00:50:21.039 --> 00:50:21.599
love Lillard.

970
00:50:21.920 --> 00:50:23.199
We do indeed, all.

971
00:50:23.239 --> 00:50:27.440
Right, Dave, one last question for you. DVD extras. Nineteen

972
00:50:27.480 --> 00:50:30.440
eighty six, that's the year DVD format is initially introduced

973
00:50:30.480 --> 00:50:33.639
to US markets. Yep, we got the simplicity of the

974
00:50:33.639 --> 00:50:39.960
compact disc, the high definition. We're throwing our VHS tapes away, unfortunately,

975
00:50:40.119 --> 00:50:45.039
I might add, but for cinephiles like us, the exclusive

976
00:50:45.079 --> 00:50:50.360
special features are usually a no frills package of scene selection,

977
00:50:50.920 --> 00:50:53.800
French or Spanish subtitles. If we were lucky, you got

978
00:50:53.840 --> 00:50:58.079
a trailer. Yeah, you might get some production notes. So

979
00:50:59.000 --> 00:51:01.960
I'm gonna ask you back in ninety six, what DVD

980
00:51:02.079 --> 00:51:05.039
extra would you want on your DVD for this film?

981
00:51:05.239 --> 00:51:07.039
You got three, You got three choices. Here I'm gonna

982
00:51:07.039 --> 00:51:10.559
give you. You can have an in character audio commentary

983
00:51:11.000 --> 00:51:14.719
m hm. You can have a making of documentary, or

984
00:51:15.840 --> 00:51:19.280
you can have the amber Lewis actors round table and

985
00:51:19.320 --> 00:51:21.599
you can pick three people, but you can't have all

986
00:51:21.639 --> 00:51:24.320
all the stars. So if you if you're going round table,

987
00:51:24.360 --> 00:51:28.400
I'll give you let's see, I'll give you Jamie Kennedy,

988
00:51:29.280 --> 00:51:33.719
I'll give you Joseph Whipp and I'll give you the

989
00:51:33.760 --> 00:51:38.400
guy that played Sidney's dad. Do you thinks? What do you?

990
00:51:38.559 --> 00:51:39.440
What do you want on your DVD?

991
00:51:39.880 --> 00:51:43.280
I want an in character audio commentary because I think

992
00:51:43.400 --> 00:51:47.119
that could be so unique and so fun to listen to. That.

993
00:51:47.119 --> 00:51:48.760
That's where I want, would want to go with this.

994
00:51:49.360 --> 00:51:52.519
It's the right answer something that before I give you mine?

995
00:51:53.039 --> 00:51:55.000
Who do you? Who? Do you which in character audio

996
00:51:55.039 --> 00:51:55.960
commentary you're going with?

997
00:51:56.679 --> 00:51:59.199
Well, of course I want Sidney interesting?

998
00:51:59.239 --> 00:52:02.719
Okay, so amble doing playing Sydney? Yeah? Doing doing the

999
00:52:02.719 --> 00:52:06.840
audio commentary interesting? Just based on that that video storm moment,

1000
00:52:06.960 --> 00:52:10.000
I want in character audio commentary with Randy and stew.

1001
00:52:10.440 --> 00:52:14.119
That would be fun. That's what I absolutely that'll be

1002
00:52:14.119 --> 00:52:14.679
a fun time.

1003
00:52:15.559 --> 00:52:18.239
David. The film's legacy is this? Is this a classic,

1004
00:52:18.480 --> 00:52:22.079
a cult classic or just a product of its time? Oh?

1005
00:52:22.159 --> 00:52:25.519
This is, without a doubt a classic. You and I

1006
00:52:25.639 --> 00:52:29.440
have blowed over this film, and so has so many others. Uh,

1007
00:52:29.480 --> 00:52:34.039
this brought back the slasher horror genre. And yeah, it's

1008
00:52:34.119 --> 00:52:35.840
it's a classic for horror films.

1009
00:52:36.360 --> 00:52:38.039
Well, I like what you said there. It brought back

1010
00:52:38.079 --> 00:52:40.719
the slasher genre. Let's let's talk about how the film

1011
00:52:40.840 --> 00:52:46.239
impacted pop culture. It did single handily revive the slasher genre.

1012
00:52:47.360 --> 00:52:53.440
You have talked about the the intelligence of the characters

1013
00:52:53.440 --> 00:52:55.719
having to ratchet up, and you got you gotta keep

1014
00:52:55.760 --> 00:53:00.119
in mind, self aware characters making smart decisions becomes the

1015
00:53:00.519 --> 00:53:02.800
new normal and horror films. You know, a year later

1016
00:53:03.559 --> 00:53:06.119
we see Jennifer Love hewittt and I know what you

1017
00:53:06.119 --> 00:53:09.199
did last summer in nineteen ninety eight, we get disturbing

1018
00:53:09.239 --> 00:53:14.239
behavior the faculty Alicia Witt in Urban Legend, and it's

1019
00:53:14.280 --> 00:53:21.519
all these self aware, smart teenagers that kind of maybe

1020
00:53:21.519 --> 00:53:24.679
there a little too smart for their own good because

1021
00:53:24.679 --> 00:53:25.840
they're still getting hacked to pieces.

1022
00:53:26.519 --> 00:53:28.320
But of course you got to have that.

1023
00:53:28.920 --> 00:53:32.719
And then ghost Face. Ghost Face is everywhere now right,

1024
00:53:32.760 --> 00:53:35.440
there is tons of merchandising how many, I don't care.

1025
00:53:35.679 --> 00:53:37.440
You know, you know, even if it's not a horror

1026
00:53:37.519 --> 00:53:40.679
con you're still seeing ghost Face run around all over

1027
00:53:40.719 --> 00:53:45.239
over the conventions. He's officially everywhere. When Homer Simpson dresses

1028
00:53:45.320 --> 00:53:47.079
up as ghost Face on the Simpsons. Did you ever

1029
00:53:47.280 --> 00:53:50.159
remember that episode where I do is it home away

1030
00:53:50.159 --> 00:53:56.079
from Homer? I think, as well, yeah, what about this one? Yeah?

1031
00:53:56.360 --> 00:53:58.119
No, absolutely yeah, he's everywhere.

1032
00:53:58.480 --> 00:54:01.519
Yeah, I mean you know, he's everywhere. I don't think.

1033
00:54:01.599 --> 00:54:03.760
I don't think that even if they stop making the movies,

1034
00:54:03.760 --> 00:54:06.440
that costume is iconic. Now, it's never gonna go away.

1035
00:54:07.599 --> 00:54:10.440
You can buy the you can buy the voice changer. Yeah.

1036
00:54:10.480 --> 00:54:13.639
Now, so I need one of those.

1037
00:54:14.440 --> 00:54:15.079
I don't think you do.

1038
00:54:15.639 --> 00:54:16.599
They can reach out to you.

1039
00:54:19.480 --> 00:54:24.800
Lose my number, man, lose my number. I'm going nowhere.

1040
00:54:25.000 --> 00:54:28.719
Oh yeah, that's right. Look man, I do uh, I

1041
00:54:28.760 --> 00:54:32.840
do want to thank you. You are so busy doing

1042
00:54:33.719 --> 00:54:37.559
our Phaser set, the Stunned series. You've got the limited

1043
00:54:37.599 --> 00:54:40.000
series where you're doing a film at forty five. I

1044
00:54:40.039 --> 00:54:43.440
know that's about to wrap up here soon. Ye, you're

1045
00:54:43.480 --> 00:54:44.719
showing up on a film. Buy with me.

1046
00:54:45.559 --> 00:54:45.679
Uh.

1047
00:54:46.519 --> 00:54:50.840
I'm happy that I finally got a chance to talk

1048
00:54:50.920 --> 00:54:52.920
ninety six with you. And I knew, I knew you

1049
00:54:52.920 --> 00:54:54.239
couldn't resist something like scream.

1050
00:54:54.480 --> 00:54:56.320
Oh God, no way. As soon as you told me,

1051
00:54:56.360 --> 00:54:57.880
I'm like, I'm in I'm in that one.

1052
00:54:58.480 --> 00:55:03.960
Yeah, well you woulda tell us what's coming up next week?

1053
00:55:04.360 --> 00:55:09.079
I planned, Oh, we do, Jeff. We are jumping in

1054
00:55:09.119 --> 00:55:15.079
the car. We are heading to Lexington for Scarefest and

1055
00:55:15.079 --> 00:55:18.119
it's gonna be a weekend of some horror fun. But

1056
00:55:18.239 --> 00:55:21.000
we're gonna get to meet some people. We're gonna be

1057
00:55:21.079 --> 00:55:24.920
meeting Don coas Corelli. Uh because as next Friday, for

1058
00:55:25.000 --> 00:55:28.440
film forty five, we are gonna be covering Fantasm.

1059
00:55:28.960 --> 00:55:36.559
Fantasm is one of the greatest horror films of all time. Yeah,

1060
00:55:36.719 --> 00:55:39.199
talk about it, talk about a franchise. What they've made

1061
00:55:39.239 --> 00:55:40.800
so many of those movies and they're awesome.

1062
00:55:41.159 --> 00:55:43.239
They are boy boy.

1063
00:55:43.639 --> 00:55:46.840
Yeah, I'm excited. I hope I hope you get some

1064
00:55:46.840 --> 00:55:49.920
time with cos Carelly. I'm hoping to meet Reggie Banister,

1065
00:55:50.280 --> 00:55:53.559
who plays Reggie in the movies. Yeah, yeah, I love

1066
00:55:53.559 --> 00:55:54.000
that dude.

1067
00:55:54.039 --> 00:55:56.239
He's awesome. He too, he is he is awesome.

1068
00:55:59.239 --> 00:56:00.960
Well, we want to think all of you out there

1069
00:56:01.000 --> 00:56:05.079
listening to today's nineteen ninety six episode. We are approaching

1070
00:56:05.159 --> 00:56:07.880
the completion of this limited series and if we haven't

1071
00:56:07.880 --> 00:56:11.079
covered your favorite film from nineteen ninety six, there's still

1072
00:56:11.119 --> 00:56:13.800
time to hit us up on social media or email

1073
00:56:13.880 --> 00:56:18.719
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1074
00:56:18.760 --> 00:56:21.199
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1075
00:56:21.199 --> 00:56:24.719
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1076
00:56:25.079 --> 00:56:28.840
X Dave and I Got a bounce. Peace Out,