1996: Swingers

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It was the mid nineties. Some
of us were a year or two out

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of high school and some of us
were a year or two into college.

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We didn't know who we wanted to
be, but we knew where we wanted

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to be, the movie theater.
These are the movies of nineteen ninety six.

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What's up, everybody. I'm Jeff
Johnson from a Film by podcast.

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With our limited series That's so money
it doesn't even know it. We've broken

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down the fresh films of nineteen eighty
six. We've examined the gritty cinemascape of

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nineteen seventy six, and now it's
time to check out the Hella good flicks

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of nineteen ninety six. Andy Frye
is the author of ninety Days in the

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Nineties, can Roll Time Travel Story. He's our go to guy for the

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movies and music of the nineties,
and I want you to remember this.

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He's the guy behind the guy behind
the guy. Andy. Welcome back,

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man, Hey, thanks for having
me. I feel like I've heard that

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line. You know, I just
watch Swingers again on Sunday. But I

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feel like I've heard that line in
a couple of version of it, a

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couple of different movies. And it's
it's I don't know. Maybe it's a

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if you're a Hollywood writer and you're
drawing a blank and you're doing a buddy

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comedy, it's that's you know,
you pull that line anytime you want,

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so, I think so, but
uh, you know what, Uh cocktails

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first, questions later, it's time
for swingers. I don't want you to

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be the guy in the PG thirteen
movie everyone's really hoping makes it happen.

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I want you to be like the
guy and I waited our movie. You

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know you're a bad man. You're
a badman. You're a bad man.

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So how long do I wait to
call him? Two days? It's like

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industry standard. Well how long are
you guys gonna wait to call your babies?

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Six days? NICKI, this is
Mike again. I just called this.

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It sounded like your machine might have
cut me off when Mike's the big

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winner, mikey wins Hi. Anyway, I think that was a weird or

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desperate or swingers Mike, don't ever
call me again. Mike is a New

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York comedian trying to make it in
LA while struggling to get over his last

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relationship. Mike's friend Trent, who
happens to be dialed into the LA scene,

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tries to help him make connections and
seduce women. Parties, nightlife,

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and impulsive trips to Vegas are just
what Mike's friends think he needs. Ultimately,

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Mike's newfound confidence is put to the
test when he meets the lovely down

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to earth Lorraine Eddie. We got
to talk nineties culture and how it influences

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film. I don't know that we're
going to talk about Pink Dot or Sega

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Genesis is a classic NHL ninety three, but I know we're going to talk

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about swinging music, and I think
we got to start off. We gotta

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talk about the dating scene, right. I don't know about the dating scene

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though, Like I visited friends years
ago who were in LA who were single

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at the time, and I always
felt like dating was very transitory, and

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I don't know where the swing scenes
fits into it. I mean, I

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did go to college. I went
to Miami. You know you're from Ohio.

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It was kind of more I'm not
like this, but that's kind of

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more the Dave Matthews, Nora Jones
crowd, the white white cross Claw crowd.

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Now yep, so uh, you
know, I've only visited. I

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feel like it's a great town,
but I don't like you, and most

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people watch movies. I feel like
I'm probably it best to just a spectator.

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But I have I do have a
story about the dress, and I

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just I can't imagine being in my
twenties, you know, in La in

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the nineties, because the nineties didn't
seem to be so on La. But

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it just works for this movie,
you know, mm hmm. Yeah,

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Well you you want to you want
to tell your dressing story. Now we're

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gonna hold onto that one. Oh
well, well, when I was pitching

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nineties in the nineties, before I
knew what I was doing, like before

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I hired an editor and did it, I went to a couple of a

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there's a there's a couple of writers
conferences, like sort of the big one

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that's not in New York is in
San Francisco, So went to that in

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February. Anyway, I went to
there's a smaller one that's a good in

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Middle May in LA right up at
the airport, and you know, it's

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got agents and it's got some like
so one day thing it's like you're one

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and done and then you can go
out and party and all that where some

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of these things are like three days. And uh so I met some friends

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afterwards. I was staying in silver
Lake and made my way to meet them

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in Los Felis. And after we
went out to a dinner where we saw

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you know, we talked about movies
and sports and all that stuff, and

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Alisa Silverstone was that at the table, crossed from us. I didn't notice

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that. I was too busy yapping
about something. Afterwards, my friends,

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uh, I got you a couple
friends who play roller derby out there.

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They're like, yeah, we gotta
go to this party. So one's moving

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going away, So we got a
bail on you. It's like eight o'clock,

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it's still sunny, and I'm like, well it's cool. I'm gonna

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go to the Dresden. I'm go
go find there. I'm going to go

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there. And I did, went
by myself. You know, probably sounded

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like a stupid tourist. I said
to the bartender, who's that, you

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know, the old couple that was
in Swingers. He's like, oh,

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yeah, Marty Lane. They're gonna
be here about fifteen minutes, and oh

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nice. And I understand that Marty
passed. I think in twenty twenty one

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or so. He was looking pretty
old when I saw a body, mean,

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I got to see them. I
got to see them come in.

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This was I think I think it
was a I think it was a I

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don't even know if it was a
Friday or Saturday, don't Knowmber what day

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it was, but yeah, they
came in and did their thing, and

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I'd staying alive. And Marty had
on his a disco shirt with a lot

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of sequins or gold or something on
it, and yeah, like, look

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you his healthy, litt old lady. So I wasn't intending. I was

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just gonna kind of go like,
hey, is this the right bar?

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And I want to see if if
it looks the same to having at least

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on my own inexperience like what they
had. And except for the sweet babies

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and the getting numbers and stuff,
I got to I got to experience the

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live entertainment. So that was pretty
awesome. So I'd recommend, you know,

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they could probably get to close it
someday. Well you know, I

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would get there while it's still there, because it's a pretty it's a pretty

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like kitchy awesome la experience, especially
a few love swingers I'm ashamed of it.

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Uh. You know, I've been
out to La dozens and dozens of

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times. You know, best friend
Brad lives out there, and all the

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things we've done, all the times
we've been out the bars, all the

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club scene, all the parties and
the Hollywood Hills. I've never went to

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the Dressden. So but's like,
what I've got to make sure, Like,

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dude, we've never been there.
Let's go like that's it's it's yeah,

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you you would have to plan to
go see the Griffith Observatory because you

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got to go up the mountain and
you know, the US awesome, and

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you're gonna take a bunch of pictures
that nobody looks out on your Instagram maybe

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except for your mom, and you're
you're in and uh but you know,

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the Dreasden is a place where you
maybe you take a picture with your friends,

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but you're probably just like you want
just for the hell, but you

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want to have a Martinez like you're
gonna go to you go to Texas,

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You're probably not gonna go to a
rodeo the first time you're there, but

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if you're there like three or four
times, we're like we did a good

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to Rodeo. Yeah, it's Riibbs
like it, like, let's do something

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that's uh that is far apart for
the course. So yeah, you'll do

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it. I mean, so the
next time you're there, just send it

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from like, Hey, Dresden and
we've never been there, what's up with

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that? Yeah, we're going.
We're going. Vince Vaughn and Jon Favreau,

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I gotta tell you, I think
their chemistry in this movie is amazing,

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and I know that's probably because they're
best friends in real life. You

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know, a lot of people don't
know this, Like, you know,

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when you think of like two young
guys growing up in Hollywood trying to make

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it as writers, producers and and
and actors, everyone immediately goes to Ben

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Affleck and Matt Damon. We know
that story, right, But Vince Vaughn

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and Jon Favreau they have that same
story. You know. They they meet

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their they're working together on Rudy,
they become best friends. You know,

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they're trying to get their movie made, and and the movie that they're trying

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to get made is it happens to
be Swingers at that time. So what

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your thoughts your thoughts on on their
friendship what you see on screen. Yeah,

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I don't know Vince Vaughan is from
here. He's from chicagod. I

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live in the city, and I
think he's from from around Buffalo Grove,

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which is just kind of like due
northeast to here, not too far in

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the summers, but you know,
it's a little bit of drive, pretty

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suburban, pretty upper middle class suburban. So I guess he bailed as soon

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as he got out high school er
shortly after and went to LA And I

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feel like that is a choice that
you need to make that really affects your

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life. You know. Subashian Maniscalco
is also from here. I don't know

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this. You know, he waited
tables and he's talked. He was talking

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about I can't remember who. It
was, like Jack and Nicholson or somebody's

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at his table, and like there
was a guy that's famous. Now,

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I mean, Subasha Maniscalco is gonna
he's got I can't afford tickets. I

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don't want to spend the money on
the on the tickets for there's two sold

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out shows are almost sold out shows
at the United Center where the Bulls in

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the Blackhawks play, and he's doing
to two or three or four shows there

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to think that, you know,
they were all kind of scrubs, like

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we were just trying to you know, get their hangout, their shingle and

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get their creative work out there.
I'm fascinated with how that probably shapes a

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friendship. I think this obviously you've
got you know, two very driven people.

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And the thing about you mentioned fab
Breau, I mean he's kind of

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more in the background now, he's
kind of more writing, directing, and

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he pops up in things, but
he's you know, he's putting on a

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few pounds and he's Vince fun probably
looks as good as he could for his

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age. He's about my age.
You know. It's they've gotten different roles

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in Hollywood. Then they started hopefully
they're doing what they want to do.

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But like they were both you know, I was kind of wonder like,

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how do they pay the rent?
What was you know, what's that other

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job that they had in order to
stay in LA so they could try to

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hand it writing that shared experience.
I think it's come up in a lot

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of movies. It's come up and
like The Dirt but one about the Motley

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Crew. You know, it's a
recurring story that's true, and we don't

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get to hear enough about it,
so it seems to have to be represented

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in a movie for him, which
is what Swingers is. So I don't

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know, you know, I guess
neither one of them more comedians is not

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the exact story that they had,
but clearly it he colored you know,

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what their what their sense was about
entertainment, And I don't know. It

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was like I wrote ninety Days in
the nineties because I wanted to write about

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music and the Chicago music scene in
the nineties, and every time I would

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spend two three hours writing it was
not hard. I would I was going

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back to the nineties and hanging out
with my friends. I feel like this

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is the same way, because the
same way for me watching this movie.

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I've seen it probably fifteen times now. It's got to be the same for

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them, Like their friendship just probably
fuels this thing and makes it almost aside

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from the technical aspects of shooting the
movie, almost like a piece of egg

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for them or just something natural.
I'm sure it felt natural to do this,

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but I love talking about Maybe it
was. Maybe the scenes were harder

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than we thought. It just sounds
well, you gotta remember they're they're kind

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of playing themselves. And I know
we'll get into that when we talk about

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when we go behind the scenes a
little bit. But you know, you

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mentioned, you know Favreau and like
how they've changed over the years. If

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you haven't seen this movie in a
while, and you see, here's Jon

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Favreau, here's Vince Vaughan in their
their late twenties. Yeah, I mean,

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damn they I mean Favreau looks like
he could he could be a UFC

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which is ironic because he, you
know, after this movie, he ends

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up on Friends a couple of years
later playing Minka's boyfriend who wants to become

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a UFC fighter. But then you
know, you got Vince who is like

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we're talking peek Vince Vaughn here' he's
young, he's he's ready to go and

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like his star's about to be on
the ride. Right, kind of looks

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some more like a model than an
actor, but he does, he definitely

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does. He does not look like
the Vince von that we we've grown accustomed

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to. Right. Yeah, when
you talk about this film's box office and

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the critics, so it grosses four
and a half million on an estimated budget

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of two hundred thousand, and the
consensus from the critics is that the film

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works very well. The movie is
quote funny, heartfelt, and effortlessly cool.

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And I love I love that line
efforts effortlessly cool, because when you

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watch it, that's I know.
When this movie came out, we were

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me and my buddies were in our
I think we're like our mid twenties,

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early twenties, and this was like, this was like our playbook. Like

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we saw these guys. We wanted
to be these guys. You know,

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we wanted to order certain drinks at
the bars, we wanted to to hit

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the scene, the club scene.
You know, I'm not saying it was

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right. I'm just saying, you
know, when you're when you're that age

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and you're seeing these guys and they're
making it look that cool, Yeah,

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it's awesome. But when you're you
know, andy, when you're our age

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and you're looking back on it,
the scene where they go to Vegas and

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they're trying they're trying to play it
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John Faver's like, look, we
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They're going to give it to us, even though we you know,

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he's he's like emptied his bank account. He's like, I took I took

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three hundred. I'm not spending that
because I can't. But and you just

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got to laugh now, because like, as an adult, you know what

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Vegas is like, and these guys
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It surprises me that producers initially wanted
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then and also in respect to me, that's like the least cool thing that

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they do. It seems kind of
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Tuesday night or Wednesday or whatever and
you live there, what else would you

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do? That seems like something kind
of like low hanging fruit, And you

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know, it's it does provide some
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Mike, Mike has the scene where
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you know, his friend's middle of
getting it on with this this beautiful blonde

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woman, and then the women are
just think, oh my god, that's

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so that's so sweet, that's so
cute, and it just you know,

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it turns the scene on his head
and they go back to La and talk

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about this in the car. But
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Chicago. You know, we were
just talking before we started recording about how

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cold it used to be in Chicago. You couldn't get with you know,

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just a bowling shirt and you know, light jacket, like back in November

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in Chicago. It's this place.
It takes place in December ninety ninety six,

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like that was. That was treacherous
weather. That was you know,

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you're gonna freeze your butt off matter
what you wear. And it was also

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in the time of the nights where
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I'm seeing people get in cabs with
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bring their coat to the bar.
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that the girl's wearing U these purses
that look like backpacks. But I think

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they mentioned in that movie very short
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that none of the people in the
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I didn't have a cell phone when
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I don't remember seeing a self.
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famous the cordless phone in his apartment. But as far as cell phones,

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like I cause I just watched it
recently. I don't I think there's a

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single cell phone. Yeah, and
that was the way it is. I

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mean, obviously cell phones existed,
and I had maybe a handful of acquaintances

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who maybe a couple years old and
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they worked for Arthur Anderson or whatever, like it's necess hit. But you

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know back then, like nobody,
when you're twenty two and you're eating Ramen

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news every night, you're not gonna
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on the phone. No. Eventually
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bucks a phone a month, not
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one in like ninety eight or ninety
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I didn't notice it, but I
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like I was thinking, like,
it's not interruptingly seeing nobody's texting anyone.

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No, he's gonna has to take
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That's disruptive. But so that's quaint, but it's not. It doesn't make

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it doesn't feel like it's it's dated
though I mean ages nicely, but I

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don't think it's I don't feel like
it aged. And I do remember going

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to the bar with I had a
roommate who was really into James Bond and

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had nice like nice cigarette holder,
nice nice pens, and he knew he

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was had bartended, so he knew
what to get, you know, when

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you was time to order the right
drink. Yeah, we didn't go swing

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dancing, but we you know,
the kind of the loungey bar thing was

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back in the nineties. It wasn't
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of retro in different ways. And
this this movie kind of chose this flavor

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of it, especially with the music
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the movie. That still, it
doesn't feel like, it doesn't feel dated.

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of works and cuts out a slice
of time and sort of a microcosm of

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young male twenty somethings in la who
were completely real and believable. M h

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shut you out, you know,
with them over the course of a week

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or so. Yeah, I mean
this is it doesn't feel dated to me

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because we have to remember in the
mid nineties the forties culture was kind of

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making a comeback. Uh, swing
music was was coming back, you know,

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people like Big Badvooo Daddy. I
know we'll get to him in a

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minute here, but it was in
the look. You know, you mentioned

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the bowling shirts and the undershirts,
you know, the open bowling shirt with

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the under with the undershirt. I've
got plenty of cringy photos of me and

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my buddies sitting around and we had
we had that look because of a movie

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like Swingers. You say the name
Doug Lyman, you immediately think the Jason

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Bourne franchise, right, the Bourne
identity. I know, he just had

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the Roadhouse remake come out on Amazon
that he did, you know, I

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don't know, I don't know about
that one just yet, but yeah,

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somebody had to do it. So
yeah, someone had to do it.

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But Linman's here, he's he's kind
of like you, he's cutting his teeth

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here. He wins Best New Director
at the nineteen ninety seven MTV Movie Awards.

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sad that we live in a world
now where we don't have the MTV Movie

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Awards and if and maybe maybe we
do, but I know we don't have

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MTV anymore and you know that too, and like it's the MTV we we

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had doesn't exist anymore. That it
makes me sad, Well, it kind

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of does. I mean, it
exists as MTV Classic, but they don't

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have you know, they should have
MTV Classical or just covering the movies that

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are worthwhile, so they are watching
TV. But uh, yeah, you're

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right about that. Let's uh,
let's go a little bit behind the scenes

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here. So uh, this movie
is a semi autobiographical Jon Favreau did in

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fact break up with the long term
girlfriend when he moved to Los Angeles,

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and it was his friends Vince Vaughan
and Ron Livingston who were the ones supporting

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him and trying to get him back
out of the dating scene. And all

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these guys, they're basically playing characters
based on themselves, and I think that

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it's one of the reasons why the
chemistry is there. Like, like I

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mentioned earlier, he writes the screenplay
in two weeks with himself and his friends

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in mind to play the main roles, and the title of the film is

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a reference to a coffee shop called
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and Livingston used to hang out.
So just trying to figure out how they're

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going to break into the break into
the business. We mentioned Mike's apartment.

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That that shitty little apartment. That's
that's that is absolutely a twenty something single

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guy because there's nothing in it,
you know, But uh, that's that's

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Favreau's actual apartment. While they're filming
this movie, he just shot in his

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real apartment, and oddly enough,
his downstairs neighbor was actor Adam Scott m

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So I thought that was kind of
cool. Another fun, fun thing I

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found out, Uh, you know, there's that great moment where they're in

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the bar and the Jaws theme is
playing, because Mike's kind of like he's

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on the prow. He's he's going
after one of the beautiful babies to you

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know, get a number. So
when they asked Steven Spielberg for permission to

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use the theme, he took a
look at him before giving him approval,

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and when he saw footage of Vince
Vaughn, he immediately hired him for the

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Lost World Jurassic Park. So,
I mean, this is this is definitely

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you can tell, you can say
it's this is the Vince vaughn breakout role

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because after after Jurassic Park he kind
of become he is Vince Vaughn at that

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point. Right when we talked about
the the soundtrack here, you know,

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we we kind of mentioned, like, you know, the swing music was

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kind of like in vogue again the
forties culture. I want to hear your

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thoughts on Big Badvoodoo Daddy. Well, you know there they are a handful

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of uh your kind of swing type
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six to like ninety nine. It
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I actually saw a Big Vato Daddy
probably five six years ago here in

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Chicago plat out the Old Town School
Folk Music, which is kind of a

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small venue, and they actually started
they talk about swingers. But they they

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talked about like our first album came
out like literally the month I think they

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said, or maybe even like a
couple of weeks before never Mind Drops,

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and so we knew, you know, in the early nineties. It's again,

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I think we talked about this last
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it like it's this the switch that
was flicked that Nirvana's came Nirvana's album came

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out and then musically changed. That
was partially true, but you know,

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before that, you know, the
Cure and the Pixis and different types of

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music works. It would sound like
we really went from hair metal to grunge

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and that was it. And there
are different variants. There's the retro was

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the idea of retro and old stuff
coming back was kind of new throughout the

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nineties, but really new, and
I think the Beast Boys really kicked it

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off with their second album, The
One That Bombed, which here on eighty

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nine, but you know, it
was still kind of circulating in the nineties

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and then they you know, they
came back with they came back in ninety

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three with Check Your Head and they're
wearing like, you know, clothes.

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It looked like we're from the bottom
of their closet. So yeah, the

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whole like swing thing just kind of
crept up on us. I think you

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got to give some credit to Brian
Setzer. I liked the Stray Cats in

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the nearly eighties. I mean kind
of like there was a couple of bands

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like def Leppard and Quiet Riot and
sort of the one that was on the

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radio that wasn't hard rock that was
famous in like eighty three when I was,

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you know, hit fifth grade or
sixth grade. We first started listening

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to music was the Stray Cats,
and then they kind of went away,

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and then Brian Such a Cup that
was Zona Orchestra. I think maybe tipped

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off by the Big by a Big, Bad Bad Food Daddy and the Cherry

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Pop and Daddy's doing their thing and
kind of you know, maybe it was

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just there was a live scene in
La that brought it out. But you

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know, I think people all over
the country connected with it because they thought

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this was just you know, now
we're in the nighties. We can listen

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to whatever we want. There's not
really like a clat with you gotta be

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a Genesis fan. You got to
be a metal fan. Like people can

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leave to listen to whatever they want
and everything between and there was just good

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music. So it was obviously,
I think, probably the best choice for

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this movie. And you know,
these guys weren't money enough at the time

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to hire Brian Setzer. They had
to go with kind of the new act

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they were, well, they picked
a good one and in the scene towards

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the end where he meets Lorraine and
Mike dances with Lorraine, I think it

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just fills it out and you're watching
the scene is there's a continuous scene that's

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like seven minutes between the music and
them dancing, where you don't get lost

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or you're not like looking at your
watch. They're going to get this is

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a long scene, what's going on? It's it just works so great choice

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and it just fit, you know
it. It was probably a effortless choice

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in their part. They probably thought, we're gonna go to the dressden,

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we're gonna see Martin Lane, We're
gonna do these kitchy things we do anyway,

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we're gonna talk over breakfast and coffee
and complain about our girlfriends stumping us.

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That all made it authentic. But
then probably just because of the music

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that they were going out to see
live, I'm assuming, versus trying to

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book a big act to strengthen that. I think. I think it's just

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strength, just strengthened it all.
Let's say we get a little money behind

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this movie. How does it change
if you hire someone like Brian Setser and

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you don't look at someone like Big
Bad Voodoo Daddy who you know, correct

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me if I'm wrong. They kind
of you know, I don't think they

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were that known I mean, I
didn't know who they were until I saw

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this movie, and then I immediately
ran out to get the soundtrack. You

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know, I had to. I
had to have the CD because I love

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the music. So is that,
you know, does a movie change drastically

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with someone like Brian sets are involved
or are we going to say so,

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because I think most people don't know
the difference most people, you know,

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if you were doing like you know, I think about the movie Vision Quest

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where Madonna is like the singer in
the bar and she's she was a start

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end, but she's still pretty new. Yeah, you know, Madonna or

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Lady Gaga is jumping into a buddy
comedy about now. It's like they're playing

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themselves or they're playing just a caricature
there themselves. It's you know, like

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the Meryl Steep and the Devilware's product
could be any you know, kind of

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a whole you know, fashion magazine
legendary, just jerk of an editor.

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But you know it is not playing
them by name. You know, in

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the Zoolander, Mugatu could be any
douchebag, you know, designer that would

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we make fun of, whether it's
Galliano or Calvin Klein or somebody whoever's got

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the biggest hair and the most ridiculous
outfit on Yeah, I don't think it

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changes much because the narrative of the
movie and the relationships that we see on

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screen are so strong that you would
really have to have like a drunk Sean

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Penn come in and do a big
scene to mess this thing up and to

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take them off track, you know, Or you'd have to have Jules and

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Vincent show up from fiction and hold
up the place where they're you know,

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drinking coffee and being dumped for anything
to change this Because I feel like it's

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such a strong narrative and just the
way they unpack it is is perfect.

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It couldn't have been done better and
better I don't think, But would you

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agree maybe maybe someone like big Ba
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authenticity over someone like a big name
like a you know, you bring the

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straight cats in all of a sudden, it's like all the stray cats.

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00:25:00.400 --> 00:25:03.559
Yeah, I think Setzer or any
of them could be because they're not it

404
00:25:03.599 --> 00:25:06.839
would you know? It would be
We talked about Biodome last time, and

405
00:25:06.920 --> 00:25:10.200
we got a first clipse of Jack
Black, or we didn't know who the

406
00:25:10.240 --> 00:25:14.039
hell he was, which I can't
get tickets to him because every time they

407
00:25:14.119 --> 00:25:18.440
they're here, they sell they sell
it in two minutes. It would have

408
00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:22.279
felt forced if they either want either
movie had somebody who was really big,

409
00:25:22.279 --> 00:25:25.400
you know, in the day,
and I'm not talking about it would probably

410
00:25:25.400 --> 00:25:27.759
work with the legend, like if
Bowie was on screen as Bowie and or

411
00:25:27.799 --> 00:25:33.720
some famous rock star in them,
you know, but someone who is big

412
00:25:33.720 --> 00:25:36.839
at the time, like Eddie Vedder
drops in the film, you know,

413
00:25:36.839 --> 00:25:38.799
I just it would take away from
it. So I think it's just it's

414
00:25:38.880 --> 00:25:42.640
kind of like the guys from Pearl
Jam being in singles as a band that's

415
00:25:42.680 --> 00:25:47.519
you know, Cliff Cliff's band,
Yeah, trying to make it or whatever.

416
00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:52.720
What's the name of their band.
It's a Citizen Dick Hick Yeah or

417
00:25:52.039 --> 00:25:59.160
that so yeah Big. That Do
Buda Daddy was probably the right pasting size

418
00:25:59.200 --> 00:26:02.480
for this. But I think any
really good swing act could have worked.

419
00:26:02.640 --> 00:26:04.519
I mean, it's the right kind
of music because it did sort of add

420
00:26:04.559 --> 00:26:08.440
some levity in between some of the
serious scenes about you know, am I

421
00:26:08.519 --> 00:26:11.279
ever gonna be able to date again? I'm ever gonna get over this girl?

422
00:26:11.279 --> 00:26:14.960
Am I ever gonna get over the
fact that I'm you know, I'm

423
00:26:14.960 --> 00:26:18.039
a broke, struggling comic or actor
just like everybody else in this town.

424
00:26:18.680 --> 00:26:22.359
You need a little levity and a
little bit of enjoyment, and the music

425
00:26:22.359 --> 00:26:26.599
fills in the gap there. Let's
talk about two people that are definitely a

426
00:26:26.599 --> 00:26:30.519
great fit for this film, two
of our supporting players here. Let's start

427
00:26:30.519 --> 00:26:37.240
with Ron Livingston. This is we're
three years before he gets his breakout with

428
00:26:37.319 --> 00:26:40.880
Office Space, right, and you
know, I know, I always I

429
00:26:40.880 --> 00:26:44.559
always think of when I think Ron
Livingston, I always think of a Band

430
00:26:44.599 --> 00:26:48.279
of Brothers where he plays Lewis Nixon
MM, which is not, you know,

431
00:26:48.319 --> 00:26:53.559
obviously not a comedic role. But
but Livingston is just I think exactly,

432
00:26:53.599 --> 00:26:56.599
I think he's excellent in this in
this film, yeah, because he

433
00:26:56.599 --> 00:27:00.279
plays a straight man, but not
a straight man who's kind of a ring

434
00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:04.799
stiff, serious straight man. He's
he's got some you know, he takes

435
00:27:04.839 --> 00:27:07.799
doesn't take himself that seriously, whether
it's there when they're playing golf, from

436
00:27:07.799 --> 00:27:12.240
when he's uh, you know,
talking about I just sort of his not

437
00:27:12.319 --> 00:27:18.440
getting getting a goofy job. Whereas
obviously Vin Spawn playing Trent is like he's

438
00:27:18.480 --> 00:27:22.960
like the archetypical l A douchebags he
needs to make a scene. Sue is

439
00:27:23.039 --> 00:27:26.000
kind of the guy from like I
said before, from Anaheim, who really

440
00:27:26.000 --> 00:27:29.680
wants, really really wants you to
think that. He's the guy who understands

441
00:27:29.920 --> 00:27:33.279
and lives and breathes l A every
moment from his spe jersey to his gun

442
00:27:33.279 --> 00:27:37.480
which probably hopefully doesn't have any bullets
in it, to uh whatever. So

443
00:27:37.880 --> 00:27:41.400
it's it's important, I think,
to have I think everybody's grounded in the

444
00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:45.880
film, and it feels very authentic
and have kind of for those of us

445
00:27:45.880 --> 00:27:48.880
who don't go swing dancing and don't
have a gold watch and out in La.

446
00:27:49.079 --> 00:27:52.119
You know, he's the one that
we associate with the kind of the

447
00:27:52.119 --> 00:27:55.640
regular guy, the regular person we
can have the most easy conversation with.

448
00:27:55.720 --> 00:27:59.160
And it you know, I think
him playing that role as being a straight

449
00:27:59.200 --> 00:28:02.799
man, but also as Mike's best
friend and one who listens to him,

450
00:28:02.960 --> 00:28:07.079
which happens a couple times in the
movie. That yeah, just shows he's

451
00:28:07.119 --> 00:28:10.319
got a depth that I think pops
up in every movie he does. We

452
00:28:10.400 --> 00:28:12.640
can kind of joke about that.
Matt Taman plays Matt Daman in every film,

453
00:28:12.680 --> 00:28:15.400
and Brad Pitt plays Brad Pitt,
and Vin Swan kind of plays a

454
00:28:15.559 --> 00:28:19.400
version of Vin Swan and every film. Ron Livson just kind of plays both

455
00:28:19.440 --> 00:28:23.480
in every day person and also someone
who's surprisingly and insightful, even for the

456
00:28:23.519 --> 00:28:26.039
tiny roles that he has. So
yeah, I thought he was. How

457
00:28:26.079 --> 00:28:30.160
much of that? How much of
that do you think is Ron Livingston like

458
00:28:30.200 --> 00:28:33.039
what you know, like Ron Livison
in real life? What would you say?

459
00:28:33.319 --> 00:28:36.079
I think that's probably what he calls
him because I understand he's from Iowa.

460
00:28:36.599 --> 00:28:40.200
I mean, there's nothing really glamorous
about Iowa, so he probably carries

461
00:28:40.240 --> 00:28:44.759
that with him in the same way
that I don't know, Pete Davidson carries

462
00:28:44.799 --> 00:28:48.119
the fact he's from New York around
all the time, and he kind of,

463
00:28:48.319 --> 00:28:49.400
you know, grew up on the
periphery of stardom. Now he's a

464
00:28:49.400 --> 00:28:56.279
star. I think it's probably pretty
authentic, and you know, it's I

465
00:28:56.319 --> 00:28:59.279
don't know, it just seems to
work for m It seems like he's been

466
00:28:59.400 --> 00:29:02.880
it seems like you mentioned Office Pieces
a breakout, it's a breakout now that

467
00:29:02.920 --> 00:29:07.960
it's cold classic. When South at
south By Southwest two weeks ago, almost

468
00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:10.640
I didn't even know it was going
on until after it happened, but they

469
00:29:10.680 --> 00:29:15.880
had a twenty fifth anniversary sort of
panel that was so where he I think

470
00:29:15.880 --> 00:29:22.440
it was him and my Judge of
course, and uh yeah, you know

471
00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:29.039
sidekick sameir and Michael Bolton was guy
Michael Michael Yeah, I can't remember.

472
00:29:29.240 --> 00:29:32.880
And the fifth person I think was
Stephen Root who played you know, Milton.

473
00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:36.519
Yeah, I think if I remember, right, so Milton. But

474
00:29:36.680 --> 00:29:38.799
I mean, now that's like that's
a comedy classic now, but it was.

475
00:29:38.839 --> 00:29:44.359
It bombed when it came out so
much so that supposedly might Judge kind

476
00:29:44.359 --> 00:29:47.759
of serendimously apologized to people in the
film like, I'm sorry, I hope

477
00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:48.880
I didn't ruin your career by this. I thought it was going to be

478
00:29:48.920 --> 00:29:55.240
bigger and you know, it all
work out. So that was his breakout

479
00:29:55.279 --> 00:29:56.640
role, but it was a good
one. It was one of a collection

480
00:29:56.720 --> 00:30:02.039
of kind of small, endearing and
important roles that Ron Livingston had that just

481
00:30:02.240 --> 00:30:03.519
kind of built up his repertoire of
someone that we want to see do more

482
00:30:03.559 --> 00:30:07.960
stuff. He's not. He's not
getting weeded out of Hollywood the way that

483
00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:11.359
you know a lot of actors have. I think he's got a bright future.

484
00:30:11.359 --> 00:30:15.240
And it's because he seems. He
seems pretty authentic to me. I

485
00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:18.680
mean, I don't know the guy, but you know, no, but

486
00:30:18.799 --> 00:30:21.680
yeah, but I now you don't
know him, but I know I saw

487
00:30:21.720 --> 00:30:26.640
on your Instagram recently there's a photo
of you guys together, Like, so

488
00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:27.799
you did meet him, at least
I would say I did meet him.

489
00:30:27.799 --> 00:30:32.039
So I was there, you know, I read about sports primarily long story

490
00:30:32.039 --> 00:30:34.480
shore. I was there. C
four Energy had a panel with Sportico,

491
00:30:34.559 --> 00:30:37.799
and they grabbed a couple of athletes
that they work with who talk about NIL.

492
00:30:37.839 --> 00:30:41.640
I'm not gonna boy like you and
I can talk offline by NIL and

493
00:30:41.680 --> 00:30:44.720
sports all damn sure. I was
fascinated. They had to say, like,

494
00:30:44.839 --> 00:30:48.119
tell by south West, really it's
not just a bunch of people bs

495
00:30:48.160 --> 00:30:52.759
and around on states like they talk
about substantial stuff, even if it's entertainment

496
00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:56.599
anyway. So that ends, I
go upstairs. I'm supposed to interview this

497
00:30:56.799 --> 00:31:02.799
running back John Robinson who plays for
Atlanta now, and you know, I'm

498
00:31:02.839 --> 00:31:04.880
kind of told like just just hanging
on a second, just you know,

499
00:31:04.960 --> 00:31:08.000
it'll be we'll get you in there. And I walk up the stairs and

500
00:31:08.559 --> 00:31:11.480
sitting in a chair, just kind
of you know, like an everyday person

501
00:31:11.680 --> 00:31:15.640
is Ron Livingston. And I was
walking with some guys like I think that's

502
00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:18.640
Ron Livingston the actor, and he's
like, oh, who's that? You

503
00:31:18.680 --> 00:31:22.319
know, you know office Space And
the guy I was with, I'll just

504
00:31:22.359 --> 00:31:26.640
say you'd probably get what he's like
by the first thing he said is,

505
00:31:26.720 --> 00:31:27.640
oh, my god, he's the
guy who broke up with That's Burger.

506
00:31:27.680 --> 00:31:32.039
He broke up with Carry Bradshaw and
post it note. Oh I hated that

507
00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:34.960
character. Wow. Wow. The
dr people were women, and they talked

508
00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:38.799
about that I talked about but he
was there to talk about office space and

509
00:31:38.839 --> 00:31:41.519
I just kind of get up the
stairs and I was like, hey,

510
00:31:41.599 --> 00:31:44.319
are you Ron Livingston. It's like
yeah, and I'm like, I'm Mandy

511
00:31:44.319 --> 00:31:47.359
Freimer writer. I love the movie
Swingers. You know, I'm a fan

512
00:31:47.400 --> 00:31:49.440
of your work. He's like,
oh, oh, yeah, it's great,

513
00:31:49.480 --> 00:31:52.680
good to meet you. And I
said, I assume you're here doing

514
00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:56.039
a panel. I don't want to
bug you. I got a picture with

515
00:31:56.079 --> 00:31:56.559
you. So I get bragged to
my friend. He's like oh yeah,

516
00:31:56.640 --> 00:32:00.599
yeah, sure, and well he
talks to me and the other guy,

517
00:32:00.680 --> 00:32:04.440
Chris, for a few minutes just
about what he's done while he's in town.

518
00:32:04.519 --> 00:32:06.160
Like he doesn't say, well,
I just did a panel. You

519
00:32:06.160 --> 00:32:07.640
know, you should have know,
like I'm doing this movie. He's just

520
00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:09.960
like, yeah, you know,
I haven't had a taco since I've been

521
00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:12.759
here. But you know, I'm
hoping. You know, nobody gets to

522
00:32:12.839 --> 00:32:15.200
rid it is Texas. I love
this town. You know. So it

523
00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:19.519
was just like a regular person.
His hair looked great, looks like you've

524
00:32:19.519 --> 00:32:21.920
been working out. I want to
say, he's I'm fifty, gonna be

525
00:32:21.920 --> 00:32:23.480
fifty two next month. I think
he's a couple of years older than me.

526
00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:28.400
He's probably like fifty five fifty six, but you know, so he

527
00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:32.119
hits the treadmill every day and yeah, community like yeah, like what you

528
00:32:32.119 --> 00:32:34.839
see in the movies. He just
kind of like it's down to earth,

529
00:32:34.960 --> 00:32:37.759
kind of humble guy who's you know, says hi to you, says hello.

530
00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:42.240
Do you just like any anybody like, you know, anybody recognize off

531
00:32:42.279 --> 00:32:44.759
to feel like, oh we met
at this thing, like I know your

532
00:32:44.799 --> 00:32:49.240
work from Yeah, he's you know, so you hung out for a few

533
00:32:49.240 --> 00:32:52.880
minutes and you know, then then
the PR people are costing him for breaking

534
00:32:52.960 --> 00:32:55.599
up with Kerry Bradshaw and I'll post
it and that before now you you both

535
00:32:55.640 --> 00:32:59.720
look good. I know we posted
that to our our social media accounts.

536
00:33:00.319 --> 00:33:04.720
Uh, I'll tell you. Let's
talk about someone else who always looks good.

537
00:33:05.799 --> 00:33:07.640
Talk about Heather Graham. Now,
Andy, I don't know about you,

538
00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:12.400
but I felt hard for Heather Graham
in nineteen eighty eight when she showed

539
00:33:12.440 --> 00:33:17.079
up in Licensed to Drive playing the
dreamgirl Mercedes with the corries. You didn't

540
00:33:17.079 --> 00:33:22.359
see Licenses Drive. I don't remember
it. I was more kind of I

541
00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:25.759
liked Amanda Peterson, who is in
the movie Can't Buy Me Love, which

542
00:33:25.799 --> 00:33:29.480
is kind of a terrible movie,
and the people in the movie are terrible.

543
00:33:30.279 --> 00:33:32.039
You know, I think I think
she died a couple years ago.

544
00:33:32.039 --> 00:33:36.240
I think from a drug over.
So you know, of first of her,

545
00:33:36.480 --> 00:33:39.440
the one I pick. I suppose
in Pan as well, she's happens

546
00:33:39.440 --> 00:33:42.799
a great of a career. But
yeah, I don't remember. Here's the

547
00:33:42.839 --> 00:33:46.640
thing about Hollywood, and like I'm
seeing movies now that I saw thirty years

548
00:33:46.680 --> 00:33:51.559
ago. I'm like, my god, like I didn't know this now famous

549
00:33:51.559 --> 00:33:53.240
actor was in the movie, like
give you example I was watching was an

550
00:33:53.240 --> 00:33:57.880
hotel and there's nothing on the English
Patient was on and I just put it

551
00:33:57.880 --> 00:34:00.680
on. It was like, oh, Colin Firth is in this. I

552
00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:02.240
saw the whole movie twice. I
don't remember him, and because I didn't

553
00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:05.599
know who he was at the time, it was just Christian Scott Thomas and

554
00:34:05.920 --> 00:34:08.440
Ray Fines and there's a couple other
people you sort of and Julie Julian Panosche.

555
00:34:08.480 --> 00:34:13.039
Of course that was kind of a
breakout movie. But like that happens

556
00:34:13.079 --> 00:34:16.039
all the time now where I'm watching
something like oh wow that yeah, yeah,

557
00:34:16.039 --> 00:34:19.039
I didn't remember that. I remember
the character, but I remember that

558
00:34:19.039 --> 00:34:22.039
that person played this. So I
think of Heather Grant in terms of course

559
00:34:22.280 --> 00:34:29.679
the Hangover movies and she's what else, Well, you gotta you gotta think

560
00:34:29.719 --> 00:34:32.519
like this is this is nineteen ninety
six. We are one year away from

561
00:34:32.559 --> 00:34:37.480
her exploding on the screen and Boogie
Knights. You know where she where.

562
00:34:37.519 --> 00:34:42.280
She's roller Girl, right m hm, very small role for her and Swingers.

563
00:34:42.320 --> 00:34:43.880
You know, she's kind of she
kind of comes in at the end.

564
00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:47.599
She's you know, she's Lorraine.
She's gonna be the basically, she's

565
00:34:47.639 --> 00:34:53.079
the inspiration. She's the one that
kind of gets Mike past his his feelings,

566
00:34:53.119 --> 00:34:57.159
you know, over his ex and
you know his ability to move forward,

567
00:34:57.159 --> 00:35:01.880
but still love seeing her in this
Apparently she is was or you know,

568
00:35:01.960 --> 00:35:06.679
during the time, she was a
swing dancer already and she's teaching Favreau

569
00:35:06.719 --> 00:35:09.320
how to do it. You know, they're rehearsing for a couple weeks just

570
00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:13.519
so they can get the dancing rite. Mm hm, I mean people in

571
00:35:13.639 --> 00:35:17.239
la are multi talented. I mean
the first missil whiplash and thinking like my

572
00:35:17.320 --> 00:35:21.800
son is like, no, that's
that's Miles Terror. My Miles Teller's playing

573
00:35:21.800 --> 00:35:23.599
about ninety five percent of the drum
scenes in here. I'm like, wow,

574
00:35:23.719 --> 00:35:29.000
okay, well I'm I can read
and walk at the same time.

575
00:35:29.079 --> 00:35:31.920
That makes me feel about this big. But yeah, I think she's kind

576
00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:37.199
of She does sort of play a
lot of roles where she's sort of the

577
00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:39.639
the nice, pretty blonde sweetheart,
the one that's not me's not going to

578
00:35:39.800 --> 00:35:44.920
embarrass you, And I think that
comes alive in this movie. You know,

579
00:35:44.960 --> 00:35:46.440
I think she's basically that in the
Austin Powers film, I think the

580
00:35:46.519 --> 00:35:52.239
third one, where she's like of
all the women he's Austin Powers filanders with

581
00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:54.119
or breaks up with, like she's
the one who actually likes and yeah,

582
00:35:54.559 --> 00:35:58.599
the point that people like is he
really gonna set down with somebody that's not

583
00:35:58.639 --> 00:36:00.920
gonna happen. But yeah, I
think she was came at the right time.

584
00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:04.239
At the end of the movie,
it's kind of you know, the

585
00:36:04.239 --> 00:36:07.800
clouds partying saying it's it's gonna be
okay, okay. So you brought with

586
00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:09.960
your girlfriend. You met this woman
Nikki at the bar, and you called

587
00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:13.400
her six times in five minutes in
the middle of the night, and she

588
00:36:13.440 --> 00:36:16.519
said, never call me. Great
great scene. You know, like they

589
00:36:16.559 --> 00:36:21.039
say that things happen in threes,
comedy routines happened in threes, and jokes

590
00:36:21.079 --> 00:36:23.800
happen in threes. So the third
woman that he actually like takes an interest

591
00:36:23.800 --> 00:36:28.159
in is the one that says,
you know, I'm just like you.

592
00:36:28.239 --> 00:36:35.159
I'm having the same problems, and
that creates an authenticity that happens immediately when

593
00:36:35.199 --> 00:36:37.760
they start talking and they're just being
real with each other, like they're both

594
00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:40.360
in alli they're both trying to be
bigger than they are. Eventually, but

595
00:36:42.039 --> 00:36:45.599
for a couple of moments that you
just see two people talking together, talking

596
00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:47.880
together, and you know, foreigner
bond off that, so she was probably

597
00:36:47.920 --> 00:36:52.159
perfect for that, you know,
striking in some ways, but also kind

598
00:36:52.199 --> 00:36:55.679
of you can believe that she's somebod
who just moved from Wisconsin in this film.

599
00:36:57.440 --> 00:37:00.239
Absolutely, well, she's not out
of his league. I mean,

600
00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:04.960
she's definitely a ten, but she
doesn't feel like she's out of his league.

601
00:37:05.079 --> 00:37:08.239
Like she seemed approachable at the bar. I thought, we're gonna take

602
00:37:08.239 --> 00:37:14.119
a quick break and when we come
back, Andy Fry will be keeping it

603
00:37:14.159 --> 00:37:22.880
real. We're back and it is
time to keep it real. Andy.

604
00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:28.199
We discussed these questions when we covered
Biodome. We're going to cover him again

605
00:37:28.599 --> 00:37:32.039
and again as long as we're doing
nineteen ninety six. But let's start off

606
00:37:32.079 --> 00:37:37.480
with the first question. One of
our favorite actors, Billy Zopka, was

607
00:37:37.519 --> 00:37:43.840
dominating Dojo's high school cafeterias and college
swimming pools in some of the best movies

608
00:37:43.880 --> 00:37:47.599
in the nineteen eighties. Then he's
notably absent from Hollywood for most of the

609
00:37:47.639 --> 00:37:54.199
nineties. So the question is what
about zob Andy replaced one actor from this

610
00:37:54.320 --> 00:37:59.159
film with William Zopka. Well,
I mean it seems like the natural,

611
00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:05.320
uh, the natural thing is is
to replace Sue with him. But I

612
00:38:05.840 --> 00:38:07.239
you know, Patrick granh Horne is
the name and the name of the actor.

613
00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:09.320
I don't know what a lot of
what else he's been in, but

614
00:38:09.639 --> 00:38:15.159
I kind of want a scene where
where is you know, they stop at

615
00:38:15.199 --> 00:38:19.000
like Sue's dad's house because he's got
to pick up you know, his dad's

616
00:38:19.000 --> 00:38:22.840
got carton cigarettes, and Sue gets
in his dad into with his dad is

617
00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:25.559
Billy's app He's like, all right, I'm just taking a couple of cigarettes.

618
00:38:25.559 --> 00:38:30.960
Get up, you know, arguing, just like Vince Swaan and Patrick

619
00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:34.800
Van Hard Do you know where they're
they're arguing about posit, pose it?

620
00:38:34.880 --> 00:38:38.920
You know, Yeah, he's dude, think Billy's Appka would work perfect for

621
00:38:38.960 --> 00:38:42.599
his dad or you know, I
don't know, maybe or a neighbor who

622
00:38:42.599 --> 00:38:45.840
comes in and tells him to turn
it down and stop fighting. I don't

623
00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:50.360
know if he I feel like none
of these guys should be replaced. I

624
00:38:50.400 --> 00:38:52.039
mean, the only person with blonde
hair was a Heather Graham playing the Lorraine,

625
00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:57.280
So I don't think that would work
twenty four now, maybe that's that

626
00:38:57.320 --> 00:39:00.840
would be, you know, choice
we would make for the remake the Redo,

627
00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:05.559
But yeah, I don't know,
I don't I think that there's a

628
00:39:05.559 --> 00:39:09.440
place for Bill Zabka in anything if
you place it right, you know,

629
00:39:09.639 --> 00:39:13.800
kind of like with the last movie, I wanted to like show up and

630
00:39:13.840 --> 00:39:17.840
add to the scene, not replace
somebody that's just my gay. Well I'm

631
00:39:17.920 --> 00:39:23.039
kind of with you though. Listen, the chemistry between this group is is

632
00:39:23.079 --> 00:39:28.079
incredible, and I'm talking about all
five of them. I always looked at

633
00:39:28.119 --> 00:39:30.800
him like they kind of give off
like a nineties rat pack kind of vibe.

634
00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:37.639
I'm sure that was a little bit
on purpose. But if I was

635
00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:40.320
gonna put williams Zapka in this movie, I think you're right, it would

636
00:39:40.320 --> 00:39:44.920
have to be the role of Sue. I would believe him in that role.

637
00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:47.760
And because I wouldn't want to take
away from Favre or Vince Vaughan,

638
00:39:49.280 --> 00:39:52.679
but I could see him doing the
Sue role. But yeah, or maybe

639
00:39:52.719 --> 00:39:55.000
when they get in the fight with
the guys who are all tatted up,

640
00:39:55.559 --> 00:39:58.639
you know, oh, like the
leader of the tatted up gang. Yeah,

641
00:39:58.719 --> 00:40:00.960
and I mean it could This is
very la but you know, instead

642
00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:02.840
of getting a fight with a bunch
of you know, guys who look like

643
00:40:02.920 --> 00:40:07.159
House of Pain, instead you get
in a fight with some preppy guys from

644
00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:10.159
Loyal Oila Mary Mountain who were going
to the bar, and they're all wearing

645
00:40:10.280 --> 00:40:14.880
you know what Billy's app could would
wear in the eighties movies, A collar

646
00:40:15.039 --> 00:40:20.800
up beach you know, izod or
Lacoste shirt. You know what I now,

647
00:40:20.840 --> 00:40:22.320
you got me on a you got
me on a different tangent. Now

648
00:40:22.360 --> 00:40:25.320
now I'm saying, like, uh, the the hip hop group, you

649
00:40:25.360 --> 00:40:29.800
know, the House of Pain guys
is what Vince Phonk calls them. Take

650
00:40:29.840 --> 00:40:32.599
all of them out and uh,
let's just maybe there's some guys from the

651
00:40:32.679 --> 00:40:36.920
Valley, you know, and it's
and it's it's Johnny, and it's Duke,

652
00:40:37.000 --> 00:40:39.320
and it's it's Billy, It's it's
it's the Cobra Kai Dojo. Just

653
00:40:39.440 --> 00:40:43.039
uh they have a running with I'd
be okay with that too, man.

654
00:40:43.440 --> 00:40:46.360
Yeah, you got Patrick van Horne
and his I guess in that scene he

655
00:40:46.400 --> 00:40:50.400
wasn't he wasn't wearing his uh his
gress key jersey. I think he was

656
00:40:50.480 --> 00:40:52.559
dressed up a little bit more.
Yeah, I remember, right, But

657
00:40:52.639 --> 00:40:54.880
yeah, you can totally seem like
guys with Khaki's with the you know,

658
00:40:54.920 --> 00:41:01.079
the ankles rolled up wearing dockside no
socks uh some soshas. Yeah, definitely

659
00:41:01.760 --> 00:41:07.159
BMW and getting in the mess like
the other guys did. That would work.

660
00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:13.519
That work all right, Andy sequel
prequel remake. If you controlled this

661
00:41:13.599 --> 00:41:19.199
ip, what would be your pitch
to the studio to revive it? You

662
00:41:19.239 --> 00:41:22.000
know this one? I could go
either way. The thing about remakes is,

663
00:41:22.199 --> 00:41:23.960
you know, I want a lot
of them to a lot of my

664
00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:27.199
favorite movies to be done. But
then there's always the flip side, are

665
00:41:27.199 --> 00:41:30.960
they going to ruin it? So
I thought, like Ocean's Eight when you

666
00:41:31.000 --> 00:41:36.760
had Sandra Bullock and different characters playing, you know, a different version of

667
00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:39.159
the same guys in the franchise,
I thought that worked. Well. We've

668
00:41:39.159 --> 00:41:43.960
got like Sarah Paulson is a retired
mom Connecticut, but she's really a fence

669
00:41:44.079 --> 00:41:46.719
like that basically says that these people
never change and they're always going to be

670
00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:52.719
for a job. But then I
remember the Ghostbusters that was Don Melissa McCarthy,

671
00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:54.559
you know, my wife, and
she said, you know, I

672
00:41:54.599 --> 00:41:58.760
just felt like it was all about
you know, the main character just is

673
00:41:59.119 --> 00:42:01.960
torn up about a voy she likes. I want Dason Confused to be made

674
00:42:02.159 --> 00:42:05.800
and take place in the nineties,
but again, I'm afraid that somebody's gonna

675
00:42:05.800 --> 00:42:07.960
really bang it up, but they're
gonna give us a matcha director who doesn't

676
00:42:07.960 --> 00:42:12.760
appreciate what it's about. And it's
the same with this. So I feel

677
00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:15.440
like maybe the safest thing, despite
the last Bill and Ted movie that came

678
00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:19.880
out, would be a sequel.
You know, sequel they're all well up

679
00:42:19.920 --> 00:42:23.559
now. Maybe it's a little more
serious. Maybe we see what problems they

680
00:42:23.639 --> 00:42:28.480
have or who's passed on. I
think that Cobra Kai, speaking of Billy's

681
00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:31.079
Apka, did that really well when
you saw Tommy, you know, had

682
00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:36.039
cancer, and I think I remember
it. Johnny was now like a pastor

683
00:42:36.639 --> 00:42:40.519
who doesn't have time for for h
for Johnny's or for Johnny's bs. I'm

684
00:42:40.519 --> 00:42:44.920
getting the names mixed up here.
Ye dutches in jail we hear, you

685
00:42:44.960 --> 00:42:49.679
know, he got himself incarcerated and
Daniel Russo is still in the mix and

686
00:42:49.679 --> 00:42:52.360
he's like, you know, it
reminds you of how much of a whiny

687
00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:54.639
pain in the butt he was in
the first movies, and absolutely Tagus I

688
00:42:54.679 --> 00:42:59.159
didn't really like him. I was
reminded of that. So that's the power

689
00:42:59.280 --> 00:43:05.159
of I think a sequel that's done
right. We think about leath a weapon,

690
00:43:05.280 --> 00:43:07.119
was not they used to say about
leath the weapon, Leath the Weapon

691
00:43:07.159 --> 00:43:12.079
three and four. It's not a
sequel to series. And one of my

692
00:43:12.079 --> 00:43:16.159
favorite kind of small series is the
two movies based on Elmore Leonard books,

693
00:43:16.880 --> 00:43:20.400
Get Shorty and Be Cool. Like
they're different, different things are happening in

694
00:43:20.440 --> 00:43:22.760
different stages in their lives with the
characters. Most of the characters are the

695
00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:28.039
same and some are new and changed
up and it works. So I would

696
00:43:28.079 --> 00:43:31.760
like to see this made as a
sequel done right. And I think in

697
00:43:31.760 --> 00:43:37.920
that situation, you're not selling it. You're not selling or licensing intellectual property.

698
00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:40.239
It's gonna be done by you know, it's gonna be done by Favreau

699
00:43:40.320 --> 00:43:45.519
and and V and the same people, and they're gonna have more control over

700
00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:49.000
it. I doubt that they're going
to bungle that. So yeah, definitely

701
00:43:49.320 --> 00:43:52.679
Swingers Swingers to the sequel or some
of the different names. It's gonna be

702
00:43:53.360 --> 00:44:00.280
chain spotting though the second transport.
You are reading my mind, I'm pitch

703
00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:06.360
some here's my pitch for you,
right, Uh, Favreau wrights and directs

704
00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:12.960
Swingers, still swinging, and this
time you even mentioned, you're like,

705
00:44:12.960 --> 00:44:15.800
hey, maybe it's a little more
grown up. So the sequel is going

706
00:44:15.880 --> 00:44:22.360
to focus on Rob this time,
Ron Livingston, who's getting back out there

707
00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:27.639
on the dating scene after a painful
divorce, and his wingman, or shall

708
00:44:27.679 --> 00:44:31.840
I say wing woman, would be
Heather Graham who's playing Mike's widow. And

709
00:44:31.880 --> 00:44:36.480
of course we're gonna get a cameo
from Jon Favreau from like before he passed

710
00:44:36.480 --> 00:44:38.199
away. Yeah, I'm going,
I'm going still swinging. What do you

711
00:44:38.239 --> 00:44:40.480
think of that? Sounds good to
me? I mean, yeah, that's

712
00:44:40.559 --> 00:44:45.519
uh, you should be a screenwriter. I didn't even think about the direction

713
00:44:45.639 --> 00:44:47.559
of the story. I'm thinking,
let's put it in the right hands first

714
00:44:47.559 --> 00:44:52.280
and then it'll probably most definitely be
good. But then you got to you

715
00:44:52.360 --> 00:44:55.480
gotta come with a plot. So
I think Ron Lives is probably the perfect

716
00:44:55.519 --> 00:45:00.480
person to do this. Now.
I think maybe, uh, I'm not

717
00:45:00.519 --> 00:45:01.880
saying Vince Vaughan is too big to
be in this, but maybe if he's

718
00:45:01.880 --> 00:45:06.960
got a roll, Like he's some
hotshot real estate guy who's got three kids

719
00:45:06.960 --> 00:45:09.199
and despite still being a goofball,
he's got responsibility. He's really trying to

720
00:45:09.199 --> 00:45:12.960
stick to that. Okay, Yeah, his wife is just, you know,

721
00:45:14.119 --> 00:45:17.840
great, but where's the pants and
tells him how it is. That

722
00:45:17.840 --> 00:45:22.400
would be a great comedy, a
sort of consequence of him being who he

723
00:45:22.519 --> 00:45:25.960
was in the first movie, Trent. Trent's now a dad and you know

724
00:45:27.239 --> 00:45:31.639
responsible, maybe even goes to church. No, but yeah, all right,

725
00:45:31.719 --> 00:45:37.320
Well, one last question DVD extras. So let's talk about DVD extras.

726
00:45:38.039 --> 00:45:43.719
Nineteen ninety six was in fact when
the DVD format is initially introduced to

727
00:45:43.880 --> 00:45:47.360
US markets. You know, that
compact disc you know, pleased us.

728
00:45:47.440 --> 00:45:52.280
It was high definition, it wowed
us, had us tossing on our VHS

729
00:45:52.320 --> 00:45:58.320
tapes. But for cinophiles, you
know, the exclusive special features, we

730
00:45:58.320 --> 00:46:00.800
didn't have that, you know.
And I've got I've got the original Swingers

731
00:46:00.880 --> 00:46:07.039
DVD and I'll tell you right now
you get your special features are Spanish subtitles

732
00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:13.559
in chapter search and theatrical trailer.
So very boring. I'm gonna ask you,

733
00:46:13.639 --> 00:46:19.079
Andy, if you could have any
DVD extra, whether it's an audio

734
00:46:19.119 --> 00:46:22.559
commentary, deleted scenes, a making
up documentary, what would you want?

735
00:46:22.719 --> 00:46:23.960
What would you want to see for
Swingers? Well, I'm going to go

736
00:46:24.039 --> 00:46:27.199
back in the same direction I did
last one. We talked with you know

737
00:46:27.280 --> 00:46:32.039
the I think it was the the
Third Hangover where they interview mister Chow who's

738
00:46:32.039 --> 00:46:36.360
a real person, and Ken you
know, Ken Jong is this is fake

739
00:46:36.440 --> 00:46:39.199
character. He he made up to
appease the studios and to keep people at

740
00:46:39.199 --> 00:46:44.880
these and about an international gangster who's
a real person in a film. Uh

741
00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:47.840
So, I don't know. I
see some some some off the wall extras

742
00:46:47.880 --> 00:46:51.440
like Nicki, the one that you
know, the girl that he met at

743
00:46:51.440 --> 00:46:57.239
the bar I said never never call
me again, decides to stock him,

744
00:46:57.280 --> 00:46:59.719
and you know, it's kind of
like a mini trailer for a horror movie.

745
00:47:00.960 --> 00:47:04.880
Nicky from the bar comes after Mike
just because of those phone calls,

746
00:47:04.880 --> 00:47:08.280
and she won't stop until he's he
never makes another phone call again. Uh

747
00:47:08.320 --> 00:47:14.400
something kind of you know, can't
be like that? Or I want to

748
00:47:14.440 --> 00:47:16.679
see how Sue talks to girls on
the phone once he finally calls him after

749
00:47:16.719 --> 00:47:21.400
six days. You know, he's
Night's impolite. Is he as nervous as

750
00:47:21.440 --> 00:47:23.920
Mike is? Is he? I
imagine he's probably just just as much of

751
00:47:23.920 --> 00:47:27.599
a deckhead. He's probably gets some
argument with half the women that he dates

752
00:47:28.159 --> 00:47:30.840
over stupid stuff. And yeah,
i'd be interested to see where he is

753
00:47:31.760 --> 00:47:37.320
in your sequel that you pitched.
But yeah, that was He's one of

754
00:47:37.360 --> 00:47:40.559
those characters. That's kind of we
all have these characters in films that we

755
00:47:40.559 --> 00:47:44.519
don't know enough about them. We're
kind of fascinated with one one of mine.

756
00:47:44.639 --> 00:47:46.760
And I'm not a David Lyne super
fan, but you know the cowboy

757
00:47:46.880 --> 00:47:50.719
in Mulholland Drive who's just giving a
guy to about what he's got to do,

758
00:47:50.800 --> 00:47:52.039
Like, who the hell is that
guy? I want to do?

759
00:47:52.119 --> 00:47:54.480
I want to follow him around?
Or am I gonna end up in his

760
00:47:54.559 --> 00:48:00.000
trunk? Like that's what characters or
you know, there's all kinds of elusive

761
00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:07.159
characters X in JFK, you know, played by Donald Sutherland. I think

762
00:48:07.360 --> 00:48:10.559
the DVD extras, so long as
the directors are motivated, every one with

763
00:48:10.639 --> 00:48:14.840
it is a playground for stuff like
that, for just creative you know,

764
00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:17.039
or outtakes. The last thing I'll
say with that going on too long,

765
00:48:17.960 --> 00:48:21.320
I'm a huge fan of the movie
High Fidelity. I've read the book.

766
00:48:22.000 --> 00:48:24.000
I didn't know this so a couple
of years ago. Excuse me that that

767
00:48:24.079 --> 00:48:27.719
one of the best scenes from the
book, which they also did in the

768
00:48:27.760 --> 00:48:32.400
Hulu series is a where Rob gets
a call about this record collection come check

769
00:48:32.440 --> 00:48:37.639
out and ends up being like singles
collection he's ever he's ever seen in his

770
00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:40.199
life. Yep. And so in
the in the I don't know why the

771
00:48:40.199 --> 00:48:44.280
hell they cut this scene because it
was great. Rob gets his call.

772
00:48:44.360 --> 00:48:45.679
You actually see the call in the
movie where he's yeah, I'm interested and

773
00:48:45.719 --> 00:48:49.840
nothing happens. But in the movie
that the scene that they cut from the

774
00:48:49.840 --> 00:48:53.320
movie. Sorry, uh, the
scene they cut from the movie was a

775
00:48:53.320 --> 00:48:59.039
couple of doors open. I recognize
this area is Lincoln Park where DePaul University

776
00:48:59.159 --> 00:49:01.320
is, big buildings, IVY.
I can just tell where it is already.

777
00:49:01.800 --> 00:49:05.440
Beverly did Angelo opens the doors,
doesn't say anything and says, there

778
00:49:05.480 --> 00:49:08.199
it is, and there's this big
set of records on the on the floor,

779
00:49:08.840 --> 00:49:13.280
and he's like, what's going on
here? And she's like, well,

780
00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:17.880
my my husband's in the Bahamas with
my my daughter's best friend, and

781
00:49:17.920 --> 00:49:21.360
I don't want to come back.
So he asked me to sell his record

782
00:49:21.360 --> 00:49:23.880
collection and I won't take more than
twenty bucks for this. And there's you

783
00:49:23.880 --> 00:49:30.400
know, there's an original h I
don't know. I think that there's original

784
00:49:30.440 --> 00:49:35.639
singles from like Sam Cook and I
ll just read it. Yeah it's Treasure

785
00:49:35.679 --> 00:49:38.280
Trove, right, Yeah, so
the move the scene ends up becoming their

786
00:49:38.280 --> 00:49:43.119
haggling. But he won't he won't
pay anything less than fifteen hundred dollars if

787
00:49:43.119 --> 00:49:46.599
she want to accept anything more than
it's backwards taggle. But I suspect that

788
00:49:46.719 --> 00:49:50.000
if I bought the DVD this,
I would hope that would be on there,

789
00:49:50.000 --> 00:49:52.719
because I mean, I've seen that
on YouTube. I'm assuming it came

790
00:49:52.760 --> 00:49:55.639
from, you know, the outtakes
of the studio released. But like that

791
00:49:55.760 --> 00:50:00.000
kind of stuff, there's got to
be some great scenes and swingers that didn't

792
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:04.599
even make the cut just because of
time, that are interesting conversations or maybe

793
00:50:04.599 --> 00:50:07.039
a fight or a shooting or who
knows. I know they're out there.

794
00:50:07.880 --> 00:50:12.840
The easy layup is to include one
or two of them, probably three.

795
00:50:12.920 --> 00:50:16.280
Ideally love this DVD and let people
like you and he who love this movie

796
00:50:16.480 --> 00:50:21.880
finally see what else went on.
Well, I'll tell you this would have

797
00:50:21.880 --> 00:50:25.639
been one where I would definitely demand
to hear an audio commentary from the writer

798
00:50:25.840 --> 00:50:31.280
and co producer Jon Favreau. But
it turns out that that exists for us

799
00:50:31.320 --> 00:50:34.440
now. So if you go you
know, I know, I know it's

800
00:50:34.440 --> 00:50:38.000
a DVD question, but I found
out today actually before we started talking,

801
00:50:38.760 --> 00:50:44.199
the Blu Ray actually has not one, but two audio commentaries. You get

802
00:50:44.239 --> 00:50:49.320
a Doug Lyman director audio commentary and
then you get a Vince Vaughan Jon Favreau

803
00:50:49.760 --> 00:50:52.440
audio commentary. So I'll tell you
right now, as much as I love

804
00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:57.800
the Classic DVD, I'll be giving
that to someone because I gotta get these.

805
00:50:57.840 --> 00:50:59.639
I gotta get the Blue Ray just
so I can get these commentaries.

806
00:50:59.639 --> 00:51:02.400
Now, they need reasons, you
know, there's a reason that people will

807
00:51:02.400 --> 00:51:07.320
buy another you know, if you
have if you're a Knicks fan, you're

808
00:51:07.320 --> 00:51:09.079
gonna buy the next next jersey that
comes out for the next big player.

809
00:51:10.039 --> 00:51:13.840
People are gonna I'm sure there's I'm
not one of these people, but there's

810
00:51:13.840 --> 00:51:17.320
people who have DVDs and Blu Rays
who now stream everything. They they had

811
00:51:17.360 --> 00:51:20.719
to come up with a reason for
people to buy buy Blu Rays, and

812
00:51:20.760 --> 00:51:22.840
that, you know, for the
people who just need one more reason,

813
00:51:22.880 --> 00:51:25.280
that was it, you know,
the extra you know why not? So

814
00:51:27.639 --> 00:51:30.360
Yeah, Anyway, we talked about
the film's legacy. Uh is this a

815
00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:36.039
classic, a cult classic, or
just a product of its time, I

816
00:51:36.039 --> 00:51:38.039
feel like it's a classic, but
I mean it would be I guess the

817
00:51:38.360 --> 00:51:42.199
parameters for a cult classic. It
is like off of Space, it has

818
00:51:42.239 --> 00:51:46.519
to bomb the box office. We're
just kind of go out and nobody notices

819
00:51:46.559 --> 00:51:50.480
it, and then it hangs around
for you know. Now it's like Days

820
00:51:50.519 --> 00:51:52.719
Confused is like that. You know, nobody in that film was fame.

821
00:51:52.800 --> 00:51:58.480
I mean the most famous person was
Milidjovivich because she was a model. Now

822
00:51:58.519 --> 00:52:01.159
there's you know what three or four
winners as actors who were in the film,

823
00:52:02.000 --> 00:52:05.400
as Al gre Wegger's in it for
a split second and it took me

824
00:52:05.440 --> 00:52:08.920
like the fifteenth time to see her. But I don't think it's that.

825
00:52:09.280 --> 00:52:14.039
I feel like Swingers was. It's
kind of like your classic Mirmax film.

826
00:52:14.079 --> 00:52:16.480
Like mir Max was relatively new at
the time. They at least in ninety

827
00:52:16.519 --> 00:52:22.320
ninety six through ninety eight, they
weren't trying to pull down Tom Cruise and

828
00:52:22.400 --> 00:52:25.599
who you know, whoever was Nick
Nicholas Cage. At the same time,

829
00:52:25.639 --> 00:52:30.000
they didn't know that these guys,
you know, like the second coming of

830
00:52:30.599 --> 00:52:32.800
Don Tribolta and Samuel L. Jackson, these guys were going to be as

831
00:52:32.800 --> 00:52:37.320
big or bigger than those those actors
are. So it's kind of the little

832
00:52:37.400 --> 00:52:42.239
story of mir Max as this.
Maybe it was well funded, but it

833
00:52:42.280 --> 00:52:44.679
was an independence tovie though, just
took a lot of chances just doing what

834
00:52:44.679 --> 00:52:46.039
it wanted to do, kind of
like HBO did when they first started doing

835
00:52:46.079 --> 00:52:51.280
movies on TV and they still do
now. I think it's a classic,

836
00:52:51.320 --> 00:52:53.039
and it's it's a product of his
time, but it's also a classic because

837
00:52:53.079 --> 00:52:57.679
of where it came from, sort
of like you know, all the James

838
00:52:57.679 --> 00:53:00.199
Bond films are MGM. There's not
a lot of stuff that MGM does well

839
00:53:00.239 --> 00:53:02.599
anymore. I know they got up
by Amazon, but even for the last

840
00:53:02.599 --> 00:53:07.119
thirty five years, twenty five years
at least, there's not a lot of

841
00:53:07.119 --> 00:53:12.840
stuff that MGM did exceptionally well besides
James Wine films and Mirrorbax. You know,

842
00:53:12.920 --> 00:53:15.639
it did branch out, but like
the original set was these indie movies

843
00:53:15.679 --> 00:53:20.639
in LA in different places, and
I feel like Twingers is as much of

844
00:53:20.639 --> 00:53:25.039
that part of that as pul Fishon
was. So it's important, you know.

845
00:53:25.440 --> 00:53:29.880
I think it's a classic because of
that and its history and its background

846
00:53:29.960 --> 00:53:34.119
and what else the other guys did
as subsequent to that. Well, when

847
00:53:34.159 --> 00:53:37.039
we talk about how this film impacted
pop culture, we mentioned Vince Vaughan,

848
00:53:37.400 --> 00:53:42.119
This is a breakout for him.
Without swingers, you don't get old school

849
00:53:42.280 --> 00:53:46.719
dodgeball, the wedding crashers. The
film's dialogue, I think influenced how guys

850
00:53:46.760 --> 00:53:51.079
talked to one another. You know, Vegas baby became. You couldn't talk

851
00:53:51.119 --> 00:53:53.480
about taking a vacation to Vegas or
a trip to Vegas about someone shouting Vegas

852
00:53:53.519 --> 00:53:58.119
baby. Even the term money,
you know, like you're so money,

853
00:53:58.159 --> 00:54:01.559
like that just became. That was
in the pop culture lexicon, you know,

854
00:54:01.599 --> 00:54:06.000
if you had to build somebody up, even you know, like we

855
00:54:06.039 --> 00:54:09.280
talked about they kind of mentioned like
you're gonna be my wingman. This was

856
00:54:09.280 --> 00:54:12.840
a time where, like, you
know, the wingman in a bar.

857
00:54:13.760 --> 00:54:15.360
It was, it was happening,
but we didn't have a term for it.

858
00:54:15.760 --> 00:54:19.800
It's funny. My wife actually asked
me in a movie, She's like,

859
00:54:19.880 --> 00:54:21.679
is this where the term wingman came
from? And I was like,

860
00:54:21.719 --> 00:54:23.880
I don't know. I mean maybe, but I feel like the first time

861
00:54:23.920 --> 00:54:29.239
I heard wingman duplicated and you know, memed or whatever was I feel like

862
00:54:29.239 --> 00:54:30.800
there's a bud light or bud Wise
commercial where there was like a wingman.

863
00:54:31.159 --> 00:54:35.400
It was like, this is the
wingman they introduced him. Wow, I

864
00:54:35.440 --> 00:54:40.039
remember how very completely original. I
mean originally Wingman was like you know Maverick

865
00:54:40.079 --> 00:54:45.199
and Goose or Maverick Ice Man,
and it was a different meaning. I

866
00:54:45.280 --> 00:54:50.239
was sort of taken that paradigm of
yeah, literally being someone's wingman flying a

867
00:54:50.320 --> 00:54:53.079
mission to the mission of you know, this guy wants to meet this girl.

868
00:54:53.119 --> 00:54:57.599
You're gonna be the ad lib the
color guy that you know, not

869
00:54:57.760 --> 00:55:00.760
play by play, but you know
the wingman that that grew out of a

870
00:55:00.800 --> 00:55:06.519
couple of different instances, and yeah, this is the ultimate Wingman movie.

871
00:55:07.960 --> 00:55:12.280
So it added that to our lexicon. If not originally, it strengthened it.

872
00:55:12.320 --> 00:55:14.000
And I think it was just kind
of an emphysis. There was something

873
00:55:14.039 --> 00:55:16.760
that was there that in Buddy Comedies, it wasn't it's going to be Martin

874
00:55:17.079 --> 00:55:21.440
Martin and Dean Martin and Jerry Lewis, where like one guy's handsome and the

875
00:55:21.480 --> 00:55:24.000
other guy's a stupid idiot that doesn't
anymore, but at the same time,

876
00:55:24.039 --> 00:55:28.920
you need to have some sort of
contrast between the roles and someone who's a

877
00:55:28.920 --> 00:55:32.920
little serious listeners a little lighthearted.
So yeah, it helped shape the culture,

878
00:55:34.000 --> 00:55:36.159
even if it didn't originally come up
with the concept. I think it's

879
00:55:36.159 --> 00:55:39.480
important that it still validates that today
and having watched it again this weekend,

880
00:55:39.480 --> 00:55:45.320
it seems timeless and that's one of
the many things that does right well.

881
00:55:45.360 --> 00:55:47.679
As we wrap up, Andy,
I want to thank you for being my

882
00:55:47.719 --> 00:55:52.559
wingman today on this episode What's What's
What's going on? You got you got

883
00:55:52.599 --> 00:55:58.360
an book signings coming up? Their
appearances. Yeah, I mostly have done

884
00:55:58.360 --> 00:56:01.480
it around the Chicago area. I've
done because nineties and the nineties was so

885
00:56:01.599 --> 00:56:06.519
music related. I did there's a
couple of concert venues that had like outdoor

886
00:56:06.559 --> 00:56:08.480
markets, and there's one where I
sold like fifty books in a weekend,

887
00:56:08.519 --> 00:56:12.000
which is pretty cool. It's great
when you got like rock and roll people

888
00:56:12.360 --> 00:56:14.920
who love music, who are like, oh, this is about music,

889
00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:17.800
the music scene. I want it, you know sold. I've been working

890
00:56:17.880 --> 00:56:22.079
a couple ideas. Let's just say, may have a spin off from nineties

891
00:56:22.079 --> 00:56:29.159
and the nineties that takes place in
Chicago. I'm thinking about a story in

892
00:56:29.199 --> 00:56:32.159
which a woman who's an FBI agent
or a cop, you know, she's

893
00:56:32.199 --> 00:56:37.239
investigating the death of this local rock
star that nobody nobody's really interested in,

894
00:56:37.280 --> 00:56:40.639
and she eventually finds it. Nobody
will talk to her because she's a cop,

895
00:56:40.719 --> 00:56:44.639
So she gets her band back together
and goes undercover, you know,

896
00:56:45.519 --> 00:56:49.880
start writing it today. Please,
I gotta, I gotta, I gotta

897
00:56:49.880 --> 00:56:54.039
have that one, Andy. Where
where can the listeners find you online?

898
00:56:54.079 --> 00:56:57.519
Like, you know, they want
to get a copy of ninety Days in

899
00:56:57.559 --> 00:57:00.320
the nineties or they want to just
check out, you know, picture of

900
00:57:00.360 --> 00:57:01.880
you hanging out with Ron Livingston,
Like where where do where do they find

901
00:57:01.920 --> 00:57:06.639
you? Yeah, sportyfried dot com
or sorry, yeah, sporty fried dot

902
00:57:06.639 --> 00:57:10.159
com is actually my would We'll take
you to some of my I've written sports

903
00:57:10.199 --> 00:57:14.880
writing work, but the Sporty friy
is my handle for Twitter and Instagram,

904
00:57:15.039 --> 00:57:16.960
which is public. So uh yeah, I've gotten to be I get you

905
00:57:17.000 --> 00:57:22.519
know, my my little side hustled
interviewing athletes and different things has gotten me

906
00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:25.199
to meet not just some cool athletes, but some yeah, just interesting people.

907
00:57:25.360 --> 00:57:28.960
Like I got to do a golf
thing a couple of months ago in

908
00:57:29.239 --> 00:57:32.880
Florida where there are celebrities that play
with pro golfers, and I got to

909
00:57:32.880 --> 00:57:37.639
meet Larry of the Cable Guy again
and you know some different people. Uh

910
00:57:37.599 --> 00:57:43.079
so that's yeah, that's a sporty
Fried on Instagram. Other than that,

911
00:57:43.239 --> 00:57:45.840
you know, the book is on
Amazon obviously, as everything is today,

912
00:57:45.920 --> 00:57:49.519
but yeah, check out your local
independent bookstore. They appreciate your business.

913
00:57:49.800 --> 00:57:52.119
You can. You know, I'm
networked in like every other author. They

914
00:57:52.119 --> 00:57:57.119
can find my book through ingram.
Otherwise you can buy that you go Andy

915
00:57:57.159 --> 00:58:00.280
Fried dot com. The book just
pops right up and you can take the

916
00:58:00.280 --> 00:58:02.559
other stuff I'm doing. So yeah, I'm trying to be always creative.

917
00:58:02.599 --> 00:58:07.519
I mean I look at these guys
like one and Favreau and how much they've

918
00:58:07.559 --> 00:58:13.159
done, you know, since going
out to La with probably a couple bucks

919
00:58:13.159 --> 00:58:15.960
in their pocket. And it wasn't
just that one movie. I mean,

920
00:58:15.000 --> 00:58:20.559
they keep doing things, and I
try to look at creative people that inspire

921
00:58:20.639 --> 00:58:22.719
me to get off my button do
a little bit more today. And you

922
00:58:22.880 --> 00:58:28.559
keep doing creative stuff because you know, fun for me keeps me saying,

923
00:58:28.599 --> 00:58:31.800
and you know you're doing this podcast. We all got our outlet that takes

924
00:58:31.840 --> 00:58:35.599
us away from the nine to five
and makes us a little happier. So

925
00:58:35.719 --> 00:58:38.400
I'm just just happy to be able
to write about things and you know,

926
00:58:39.000 --> 00:58:45.039
if I could share with anybody,
that's great. Yeah, cheers to that.

927
00:58:45.880 --> 00:58:50.800
Listeners, check out the book.
You will not be disappointed. And

928
00:58:50.840 --> 00:58:53.480
we got to thank you all of
you listening today for checking out our limited

929
00:58:53.480 --> 00:58:58.280
series nineteen ninety six. We're gonna
cover a lot of movies from this year,

930
00:58:58.280 --> 00:59:00.920
but we won't get to all of
them. Some of you have already

931
00:59:00.960 --> 00:59:05.119
shared some films that I must for
us to cover, and we thank you

932
00:59:05.159 --> 00:59:07.880
for that. Keep them coming.
You can email us at a Film by

933
00:59:07.960 --> 00:59:12.159
Podcast at gmail dot com, or
you can hit us up on social media.

934
00:59:12.519 --> 00:59:15.320
You'll find us on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter. Me and Andy

935
00:59:15.320 --> 00:59:20.000
got a bounce. But next time
on nineteen ninety six, I think we

936
00:59:20.039 --> 00:59:23.400
have another one of Andy's favorite films
from the nineties, Beautiful Girls. Andy,

937
00:59:23.519 --> 00:59:27.880
you're gonna be back for that one? Yes please? Yeah, that's

938
00:59:27.880 --> 00:59:34.239
a different crowd with a different wingman. But yeah, that's definitely love that

939
00:59:34.280 --> 00:59:37.480
one. Different different stage of life
for those guys. But there's nothing better

940
00:59:37.519 --> 00:59:42.320
than the ten year high school union
movie coming up. I think that that's

941
00:59:42.360 --> 00:59:45.719
so they're both people our age and
young people who have not had their ten

942
00:59:45.800 --> 00:59:50.719
year anniversary can appreciate it's a great
film. I know we're gonna have a

943
00:59:50.760 --> 00:59:53.199
great conversation till then, he said,