Aug. 15, 2024

1996: The Rock

1996: The Rock
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Season 5 1996

Join us for a nostalgic trip back to the year 1996! We're exploring the culture, the music, and the message that films in 1996 offered, to determine whether they're classics, cult classics, or a product of their time! Jeff is joined by Jason Colvin of the Surely You Can't Be Serious Podcast for a trip to Alcatraz to talk about VX gas, Cage and Connery as action stars, and an amazing James Bond theory. Welcome to "The Rock!" 

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These are the movies of nineteen ninety six. What's up, everybody.

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We've broken down the fresh films of nineteen eighty six.

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We examined the gritty cinemascape of nineteen seventy six. Now

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it's time to check out the Hella Good flicks of

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nineteen ninety six. I'm a host for the pod that

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the film by Well, I'm Jeff Johnson, but of course

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saw of course, of course I am Jason Colvin of

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the Shirley You Can't Be Serious podcast is with me today.

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For the fourth time on this series, Jason, we've talked

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about The Nutty Professor, Independence Day, and Twister.

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Yeah, we have, we have. I'm so glad to be

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back man, Thank you, thank for having me.

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I could not think of a of a more fun

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guest to have on this one talk talking about this film.

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Michael Bay.

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This is I guess this is like his second movie.

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He's he's still a little untested, but this is his

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second big feature.

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Arguably maybe his his best movie.

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I would say it's his best movie.

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Yes, you know, A little fun fact for you.

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Michael Bay made his acting debut in nineteen eighty six

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during the second during the second season of one of

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your favorite shows. Jason, what the second season of Miami

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Vice he was on. Do you remember the episode? Yeah?

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Do you remember the episode called called free Verse? I know,

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I know you love Miami Vice like I do, so

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I've had to mention this.

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Yeah, let me describe it.

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Yeah, remember, okay, tub Tub like Crockett is kind of

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out of the out.

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Of the mix.

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I think he was in court or something, but it's

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it's a Tubs episode and he was assigned to protect

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a poet that was seeking political asylum. And then you

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know the there's like a sexy assassin who who's after

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the guy played by Mick Jagger's wife, uh at the time,

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Bianca Jagger.

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Yes, Bianca Jagger is the Sheikh's wife in the Cannonball Run.

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Yeah, okay, yeah, you're I think you're right. That is

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absolutely correct.

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I do remember that episode.

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Yes, awesome.

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Michael Bay played goon number three on that episode.

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Wow, wow, that's interesting.

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Yeah. Well, what do you say we cut the chit

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chat a hole our listeners, our listeners? What I hear

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all about the rock?

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All right, Jeff, I'll do my best. Your best losers

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always whine about the best winners.

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Go home and fuck the prom queen.

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This Austin situation in Alcatrast.

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You were a few payment.

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I launched the gas.

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One way in, find them be fused. Okay, okay, no

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way out. Don't you think there's a lot of anger

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flowing around this island this summer?

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The jailhouse rocks join this or so more enjoinable with

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my apreach day o'connery Cage Harris.

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I had such an interesting day today, that.

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Kind of an interesting day myself, o rock Later.

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At our starts June sevens, an FBI chemical weapons super

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freak and a former British spy lead a mission to

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Alcatraz to stop a renegade general from launching chemical weapons

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into the heart of San Francisco. Jason one of the

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biggest films of nineteen ninety six, not the biggest, but

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one of the biggest so far.

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This is my favorite movie of ninety six that we've

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talked about. I absolutely love this one. It's a thrill ride,

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roller coaster, fun, popcorn movie.

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I have to agree with you.

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I think this.

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I mean, we've talked about some blockbusters Mission, like I said,

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Mission Impossible, Independence State, but this is this one had

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the most fun.

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This was quintessential nineties action, right.

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Oh yeah, We're smashing ferraris around San Francisco. We're jumping

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the hills, we're escaping, We're throwing guys over the side

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of a building.

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How much much money?

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How much money do you want to assume, like that

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whole chase sequence, the just the destruction that San Francisco incurves,

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It's in the millions, gotta be right, Yeah, yeah, unreal.

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I do Still, I do appreciate the fact that there's

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actual practical effects. Is a real car smashing into each

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other getting blown up. There's no CGI crap here. This

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is legit stunt work.

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This might be one of the first instances of the

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of the Bay shot that that slow motion three hundred

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and sixty degree when he does it on Nicholas Cage. Yeah,

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he might have done it in Bad Boys, but I'm

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not sure. I can't remember now.

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So this so this is quintessentially Michael Bay.

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Right.

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You have the you know, the soldier, the slow motion soldier.

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You have the the airplanes flying overhead in slow motion.

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Everything is gorgeous in this. Typically his stuff is all

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style and no substance. But I I think he's got

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substance to this movie. I think he's got.

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His background as a music video director.

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You can feel it in the movie.

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Yeah, with the quick cuts, the smash cuts, the the angles.

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It's a it's slick and I love it.

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Talking nineties culture and how it influenced this film, I

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think the one thing that that sticks out to me

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is John Mason, who is the character that that Sean

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Connery plays. Uh, he asks if his haircut is out

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of style, and we get we get a couple of

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references to twenty year old guitarists from Seattle. It's it's

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a grunge thing, you know, Yeah, I mean Seattle, the

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Seattle music scene. This is when it was hitting. This

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was the peak of the grunge rock movement, right.

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Yeah, I did it. I did appreciate that, but it

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still was cringe worthy to hear Sean Connery talk about

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a grunch thing when you know, he didn't care, didn't

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know a thing about it, but still it was fun

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to hear.

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It was you know, he's he's in at the beginning

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of this movie, he's he's he looks like Dave Grohl's dad.

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And I was okay with that, you.

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Know, yeah, yeah, it's a grunge thing.

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Talking about the film's box office and what the critics

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sawt nineteen ninety six, this opens at number one with

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twenty five million dollars, takes out Mission Impossible for the

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top spot, goes on to gross three hundred and thirty

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five million dollars, which if I if memory serves it

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lands at kind of like the top top four spot

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in releases that year. Huge movie.

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Yeah, it's a great movie.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Critics were comparing it to Mission Impossible, basically saying this

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gave us the fun and excitement and thrills the Mission

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Impossible didn't.

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In a way, that's kind of a backhanded compliment to

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both films. I feel like, you know, like it's it

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gets a lot of accolades, and even Roberieberg gave you

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like three and a half out of four stars, would

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go on to write a recommendation for the Criterion Collections

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for its disc release and things like that. Yeah, I

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think about that. I own the Criterion collection of this,

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which and it's awesome two discs. It's loaded with options

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and extras, and you got to think Criterion, the Criterion

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collection that's usually reserved for more art house films more dramatic.

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Fair right, But Ebert kind of.

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Kind of kind of went to bad for it, saying

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that this is, you know, a specific kind of action

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film for a specific time in cinema. And and I

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agree with him, I absolutely agree with him.

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This is the type of movie that I wanted to

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see in the summertime, you know what I mean?

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And you have to, you absolutely have to.

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This is not Oscar worthy. This is none of that.

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This is just go and just have a great time.

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It's funny that you say it's not Oscar worthy because

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it was nominated for an Academy Award. Really yeah, it

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was actually nominated Best Sound, didn't win.

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And when you think.

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About all the car crashes, all the gunfire, all you know,

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everything that's going on in Alcatraz, I totally get why.

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Now here's what you won't believe though, Jason. It's nominated

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against Independence Day Twister.

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Ok.

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Those two make perfect sense to me, right, sure those fit.

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Evida is in there for Best Sound, which maybe, I mean,

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you know what, you know what ends up winning?

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What's that?

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The English Patient?

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Okay? Well, I mean the English Patient.

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I don't know. I would have thought, honestly, Honestly, I

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would have thought the twister would have got it, you know, yeah,

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I could any of those would have been a perfect fit.

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I'm not sure about the English patient.

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Yeah, yeah, when are you covering the English patient for this?

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We will not be covering the English patient.

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No, thank you.

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Well, Jason, I'll tell you what. Let's take a quick

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break and when we get back, we'll go behind the

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scenes on this one.

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Okay, that was good.

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Welcome back. Jason Colvin from the Shirley You Can't Be

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Serious podcast is with us today discussing The Rock.

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Here's something I did not know about The Rock.

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Apparently tensions were running really high on this shoot between

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Michael Bay and Disney executives who just happened to be

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on site to quote unquote supervise him.

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Uh huh.

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Yeah. Bay mentions this in his audio commentary, which you

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can find on the Criterion.

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Collection version of this release.

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Yeah, he talks he has this great story there where

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he basically is talking about his frustration with him, but

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that all went away the day he went to go

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meet with executives. They walked into the conference room and

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we're kind of surprised to see Sean Connery standing behind him,

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and Connery then told them that Bey was doing a

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good job and to leave him alone.

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And what are you gonna.

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Say to James Bond? You're gonna argue with him?

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Right exactly? You know, I heard about this story as well.

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I heard that Bay and Connery ran into each other

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as Connore was getting ready to go to the golf course,

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like he's in his golf gool wow, and and he

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just says to Michael Bay, where are you going? And

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He's like, I gotta go. I gotta go talk to

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these executives. They're giving me trouble, and and Connory's like, well,

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let's go talk to you know I mean? And so

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he shows up. He's wearing his golf knickers and stuff too.

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How about that?

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Yeah?

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So now I'm wondering, like, is it just is he

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is he wagging a finger at these guys or is

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he wagging a seven iron at them?

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Like?

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Either way, I think you have to do what mister

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Connery says, right.

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Yeah, absolutely, absolutely So I love when he went to

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that for his director though. I think that especially a

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young guy like Michael Bay.

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Yeah, an untested guy, and clearly he's got to be

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doing a fantastic job with the production. If Sean Connery

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is willing to do what he did he did here,

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I think that's awesome. He too. I'll tell you also

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what I feel is awesome. You watch you watch this

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movie The Navy Seals that we see storm Alcatraz. I mean,

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these guys got it down. I mean they they know

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what they're doing. And for the longest time I just thought, well,

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these actors are fantastic, but at point of fact, these

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are actual Navy Seals. In the scene that Michael Bean

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is commanding. We'll get to Michael Bean here in a minute,

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he's Commander Anderson.

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Fantastic.

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Yeah, yeah, think about that. Michael Bean who played a

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Navy seal in the film Navy Seals, which right, hey,

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I happen to love I own a copy of it.

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Him and Charlie Sheen are Austin Bill Paxton.

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Bill Paxton, Yeah, yeah, I.

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Read that he was a little intimidated shooting that scene,

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just because one thing, It's like, hey, I'm shooting Sean

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Connery is on my team, and meanwhile, I'm giving commands

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to these guys who are actual Navy Seals. So that

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was a little little intimidating for him.

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I think he played a navy seal also in the Abyss,

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did he not?

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He did, so this would be his what his third

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time playing a navy seal. That's awesome.

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Michael Bean is awesome. He as an actor, he brings

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an intensity and kind of a real man type of feel.

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I've said this before on a film buy. You know,

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I had the opportunity to meet with him and hang

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out with him for a little bit. He wonderful conversationists. Uh,

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he's just he's the friendliest guy. He is so down

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to earth and just he enjoys talking to people. He

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enjoys you know, I get it. A lot of people

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want to ask about Terminator, they want to ask about Aliens.

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But we didn't mention that. You know, we never had

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that talk. We just were talking about other things, and

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you know, primarily Australia, as I recall, he had been

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in He had been in Australia shooting a film and

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we just we just chatted about the land down under

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for a little bit.

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It was pretty awesome.

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The amount of restraint that you showed there not to

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bring up Terminator as.

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It listen, I own the bug stomper rebox that they

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wear in Aliens.

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I own a pair of those.

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Really, They're awesome.

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Yeah, And I was just it was just in my

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it just wanted to jump out of me. But I

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was like, you know what, he hears that stuff all

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the time. And I kind of feel like maybe the

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fact that we didn't talk Aliens and turn there is

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maybe one of the reasons why we we got the

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chat for him as long as we did, you know,

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about ten fifteen minutes, and it's like, hey, he might

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have something to go do, so maybe we need to,

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you know, walk away.

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But it seems like you and I talked to us.

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I don't know if you remember this or not, but

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I think he got his start on the movie Grease. Yeah,

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playing basketball against Danny John Volta's character.

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He's on the basketball team in Greece.

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Yeah. I think he's the one that takes the slug

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in the stomach he does. Yeah.

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I love Michael Bean.

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I know we jumped. I we just ran there. But

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you know, sometimes sometimes that happens.

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You know.

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Back to some fun facts, a little behind the scenes

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stuff for you. Quentin Tarantino does some uncredited work on

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the script, doing a little little uh script doctoring. Okay,

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I watched this. I knew that ahead of time this,

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you know, I mean, I owned the film, seen it

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many times. So after learning that, I kind of watched

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it with my qt lin's on to try and figure out, Okay,

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where do I feel Quentin Tarantina's presence? And honestly you can.

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You can feel his fingerprints on this, and it's it's

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just in that person. Like the little the little back

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and forth between certain characters. The dialogue I think is specific. Uh,

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you can't you can't deny the Mexican standoff at the

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end of this is ripped right out of the pages.

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Of True Romance, which he wrote.

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He wrote that script for, so sure, what next time

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you watch this, watch it going where is Quentin Tarantino.

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In this movie?

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Okay?

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And uh, you'll you.

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Know, I mean I could I could talk another twenty

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minutes like oh, then this scene and then that scene.

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But we're we're gonna move on because I gotta I

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gotta ask you this. This one, this one blew my mind.

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Let's see if I can blow your mind. Okay, So

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that's what you guys do on the show You Can't

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Be Serious podcast. Every time I listen to an episode,

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you guys are like what, I had no idea? Thank you, Jason.

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Are you familiar with the Chilcot Inquiry?

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No, that does not ring a bell with me at all.

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I know you remember the ira War, you know, we

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all do. Sure that Chilcot inquiry was a British inquiry

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where they were kind of discussing what led what led

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Great Britain into the Iraq War. M I six revealed

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that they had received intel from a reliable source that

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Saddam Hussein was producing weapons of mass destruction. You know,

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that was the whole thing, Like weapons of mass destruction.

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Everyone was jumping into the fight because the weapons of

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mass destruction, right, that's what.

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Led Britain into the war.

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This this report, this from this this quote unquote reliable source.

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Turns out that the source was a a false agent

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who had in fact lied about his reports and he

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had used the VX gas as his inspiration from the

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rock what yes describing weapons? The weapons that he described

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in this report that he's giving to to I six

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is all about these gas filled glass containers. Like it's

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he's just he's cribbing the rock left and right, gosh

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and think and think about that. Based on that, that's

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that's a heavy factor that that sends them into the war,

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the Iraq war.

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That is amazing, What a great nugget that is.

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I know, I just I couldn't believe it.

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I was one of the writers was talking about it

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and said, any anyone that just took a minute to

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fact check would understand how just ridiculously stupid of an idea.

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That is the phill poison gas and like little glass balls.

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No one's gonna do that, like it we made it up.

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Was there was not a single nerd in the back

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corner going wait a minute, that's the.

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Rock one movie nerd in the in the war room

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going wait a minute, like the like the rockets that

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they use in the fire from Alcatraz, Like no one thought.

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To do that, Like it blows my mind.

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Man, you and I could have stopped the Iraq war.

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They invite us into the war room.

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It's like, wait a minute, hold on, that's we're talking

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about VX gas rocket. That's not a real thing. You know, crazy,

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you know, and that's what you know, that's what the

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writer's talking about. Like like you know, we we were

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getting all these emails you know, it's it's funny to us,

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but at the same time it's tragic because we entered

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a war because of this report. So one other thing

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you see at the end of this movie, the films

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dedicated to producer Don Simpson. Yeah, just want to point

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out he and Jerry Bruckheimer, who think think about their

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think about their run in the late eighties early nineties. Incredible, yeah, huge, right,

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Every every big blockbuster that we saw in the summertime

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you had that little Simpson Bruckheimer logo on it, the.

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Little lightning bolt thing.

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Yeah, little lightning bolt.

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Uh yeah. But he and he and Jerry Bruckheimer had

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agreed to dissolve their partnership once this film was finished.

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Bruckheimer was kind of fed up with Simpson's drug abuse problems.

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Huh.

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Sadly, Simpson did, in fact die from a drug drug

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abuse related heart failure before they finished shooting. So that's

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you know, you get the dedicated would love to Don Simms.

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I mean the titles, I mean Flash Dance, Beverly Hills, Copays,

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under Days, and Thunder. Yeah, an incredible run in the

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eighties and then drugs you know, yeah, I mean, thom

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Simpson is courage, just a nutty guy, you know.

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Yeah, you know you mentioned Top Gun.

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I like that we get a little bit of a

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callback the Top Gun in this, and I believe you,

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you know, I think you and d on your Top

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Gun episode have kind of talked about, you know, that's

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a little ridiculous that they're having class in a in

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a giant hangar with a with the gigantic American flag.

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You know, you know, we might we might have talked

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about in our eighty six episode of Top Gun, but

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that just doesn't happen. And here here again we see it.

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We see it played out. You know, they're they're prepping

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the guys for this, uh this launch on Alcatraz. Yeah,

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so let's set up a little classroom in the in

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the air airplane hangar, in front of the in front

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of the jet that needs to pull out. That just

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it cracks me up. But you know it's it's one

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of those shots that it just looks awesome, So let's

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do it's awesome.

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The only thing they could have done more would be

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played the star spangled banner while you watch I see you.

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Know, yeah, absolutely, Speaking of what they'd played, what did

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you think of Hans Zimmer's score here.

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It kind of faded in its back to the background

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for me a little bit.

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I like it, but it's not like I can hear,

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you know, I watched it recently, so I can hear

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a little bit in my head right now.

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But it's not memorable.

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Right, It's great, it's good. It's just not memorable. And

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I kind of wonder this is you know, you gotta

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think this is nineteen eighty six, so this this is

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the actually this is the first time that him and

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Michael Bay get together, you know, and it'll be like

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their first of many collaborations.

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But I don't know.

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I I think if we don't have Hans Zimmer do

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the Rock, we might not get Hans Zimmer doing you.

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Know, Christopher Nolan stuff, or the Batman.

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Saying in film, yeah Gladiator, who knows. You know, you're

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probably right about that. I it was just kind of

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in the background for me. It's not the normal stand up.

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I mean, to me, a glad eator. His score just

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is up front and amazing, might.

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Be his best.

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So but yeah, it's good.

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All right, Well, let's talk.

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We got principal roles, we got supporting players, we got cameos,

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and or before they were famous. Let's start with the principles.

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Sean Connery as John Patrick Mason, a former SAS Captain.

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What I mean, what can you say? This guy is

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such as even at his age, he's awesome.

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Yeah. Well, and you know, I'm not I'm not looking

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at Connory's filmography, but he kind of makes this resurgence

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in the nineties where he's back and he's back as

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an action hero. You know, I mean, you guys, you

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guys just now recently talked about Connery in Indiana Jones

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and The Last Crusade. You guys did this awesome Indiana

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Jones The Last Crusade versus Late The Weapon two, Thank you,

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one of your classic versus episodes.

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Thank you.

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Yeah, You're welcome.

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Connery had kind of been out of the limelight for

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a while, right, He's back as Henry Jones Senior in

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you know, nineteen eighty nine. Yeah, yeah, for sure, and

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it kind of kicks off like, Okay, Connory's back, but

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it seems like the mid nineties, he's he's on a

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he's on a roll here. He's got he's got the rock,

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He's got entrapment with Catherine Zeta Jones he's doing for

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about October Hunt for October. Yeah, he's he's back, but

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he's back as like an action icon in a sense.

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So I mean I would even say that, you know,

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the Untouchables really gave him the rocket field that he needed.

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And then oh, good point he doubles down. Yes, and

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then in eighty you know, you got the Presidio in

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eighty eight, in eighty nine you get Indian Jones, The

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Last Crusade. Ninety you've got Hunt for Red October. Uh huh,

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You've got Medicine Man. Oh, I forgot about Medicine Man,

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which is still a kind of a thriller role Rising

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Sun with Wesley Snipes. Yep, you know, and then you

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get well, you get I think you got the Russia

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House mixed in there somewhere, and you get the rock

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and Entrapment, and then I mean he he really kind

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of had this huge resurgence as an action star in

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his sixties.

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You know, it's amazing, and everything he's doing in this

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movie is perfect. I don't feel like there's any scene

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that doesn't work with Connory. They even I like the

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fact that they kind of reference his age in a

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fun way, and respectfully, you know he's even doing it,

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like he's talking about you know, he tells h he

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tells Nicholas Cage's character like, Hey, the last time I

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swam this channel, I was your age. You know, thirty

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years he's been rotten in a prison.

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So you know, I know we're going to talk about this,

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but I got to tease it up now. The incredible

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correlation that we're going to talk about here in a

477
00:23:52.960 --> 00:23:57.559
minute between I know what you're character and a former

478
00:23:57.640 --> 00:23:59.920
character is Oh yeah, people's socks off.

479
00:24:00.759 --> 00:24:03.640
We're gonna get to that for sure. Okay, but before

480
00:24:03.640 --> 00:24:06.960
we do, let's, uh, let's talk about Nicholas Cage as

481
00:24:07.039 --> 00:24:11.400
ah as Stanley Goodspeed. Right, Yes, Jason, here's something that

482
00:24:11.440 --> 00:24:14.440
I still can't believe until I didn't. I didn't believe

483
00:24:14.440 --> 00:24:19.559
it until this actor confirmed it. Uh he he confirmed

484
00:24:19.599 --> 00:24:20.519
us in a Reddit.

485
00:24:20.400 --> 00:24:21.359
A m A.

486
00:24:21.480 --> 00:24:24.720
Okay, the role of Stanley good Speed was originally offered

487
00:24:25.039 --> 00:24:30.759
to Arnold Schwarzenegger. Think about that for a second. We

488
00:24:30.759 --> 00:24:34.000
were this close to having a movie where it's like, dah,

489
00:24:34.880 --> 00:24:38.319
I'm Stanley goold Speed with the FBI.

490
00:24:41.400 --> 00:24:42.000
Guys.

491
00:24:42.279 --> 00:24:49.720
Yeah, it's VXS go to Alcatraz. Had so much fun,

492
00:24:49.799 --> 00:24:54.880
man Arnold did not like the script at the time,

493
00:24:55.559 --> 00:24:58.599
and and he claims that his script wasn't even finished.

494
00:24:58.640 --> 00:25:01.359
It was kind of half baked, still had some pencil

495
00:25:01.400 --> 00:25:03.920
notes on it. He just was like, now I'm not

496
00:25:03.960 --> 00:25:07.119
doing this. He regrets not doing it now, but I

497
00:25:07.200 --> 00:25:09.920
just I just think the movie and the dynamic of

498
00:25:09.920 --> 00:25:12.440
the movie would be completely different because Arnold's not gonna

499
00:25:12.440 --> 00:25:15.960
play the goofy, you know, FBI guy. He's gonna play Arnold,

500
00:25:16.640 --> 00:25:19.440
And so now you've got like you've got alpha and

501
00:25:19.480 --> 00:25:21.799
you've got alpha. You know. It would have been more

502
00:25:21.839 --> 00:25:24.519
like a like a Last Crusade situation, you know, with

503
00:25:24.920 --> 00:25:27.440
like Harrison Ford. So this could have been a big

504
00:25:28.240 --> 00:25:30.200
I think it would have been as big, maybe even bigger.

505
00:25:30.680 --> 00:25:33.119
We think that would have been a lot of fun.

506
00:25:33.400 --> 00:25:37.039
I do think that you needed that character to take

507
00:25:37.039 --> 00:25:40.759
a back seat to Connery, and he needed to be Goofy.

508
00:25:41.559 --> 00:25:43.759
I do think Cage's performance is a little bit over

509
00:25:43.799 --> 00:25:44.880
the top for my taste.

510
00:25:45.000 --> 00:25:49.200
But uh so, Cage, what.

511
00:25:49.480 --> 00:25:51.480
This is, This is this is before conn Air. This

512
00:25:51.519 --> 00:25:54.759
is this is before Cage the action star right right.

513
00:25:55.680 --> 00:25:58.119
And his main draw to this movie was the fact

514
00:25:58.119 --> 00:26:01.599
that critics were saying he will never play an action film.

515
00:26:01.640 --> 00:26:03.720
He'll he'll never do an action film because he he

516
00:26:03.759 --> 00:26:06.240
doesn't have the chops for it. And he took he

517
00:26:06.279 --> 00:26:08.200
took offense to that. So he's like, okay, well let

518
00:26:08.279 --> 00:26:10.319
me let me show you what I can do. Uh.

519
00:26:10.359 --> 00:26:12.480
That's where he kind of he puts on some size.

520
00:26:12.519 --> 00:26:15.440
He gets a little bit, you know, he gets that

521
00:26:15.440 --> 00:26:20.039
that Cage physique, that nineties Cage physique, which is uh,

522
00:26:20.480 --> 00:26:22.200
I read a fun story where they're talking about he's

523
00:26:22.200 --> 00:26:25.200
got that weird that weird scene where you know, he's

524
00:26:25.240 --> 00:26:26.960
he's been at the office at the beginning that he

525
00:26:27.200 --> 00:26:33.400
nearly gets gets blown up with that poisoned doll. Yep,

526
00:26:33.640 --> 00:26:36.480
and he's back home sitting in a chair naked with

527
00:26:36.519 --> 00:26:40.559
a guitar covering his his his business and he's just

528
00:26:40.599 --> 00:26:44.200
hanging out. And apparently that was all Cage like, Michael

529
00:26:44.240 --> 00:26:48.920
Bay did not need to film him nude, but Cage insisted,

530
00:26:49.960 --> 00:26:52.920
and you know, Bay points out, look, look, Nicholas Cage

531
00:26:52.960 --> 00:26:56.079
just wanted to show off his hysique. Meanwhile, Nicholas Cage says, Hey,

532
00:26:56.119 --> 00:26:57.839
I just wanted to show this guy relaxing at home.

533
00:26:57.920 --> 00:27:00.759
So maybe Nicholas Cage just like relax at home in

534
00:27:00.759 --> 00:27:03.599
the nude, you know, with the with the guitar. Yeah,

535
00:27:03.279 --> 00:27:08.079
I'm not gonna follow you that, but yeah, yeah. A

536
00:27:08.079 --> 00:27:11.480
lot of his uh, a lot of his his dialogue

537
00:27:11.480 --> 00:27:14.880
was ad libbed apparently too you.

538
00:27:14.799 --> 00:27:16.759
It was he saying when he tells get that thing

539
00:27:16.759 --> 00:27:18.359
away from me, you a hole?

540
00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:22.519
Or yeah, well and another It's a weird quirk, but

541
00:27:22.640 --> 00:27:26.599
Nicholas Cage made the made the suggestion, Hey, this guy

542
00:27:26.599 --> 00:27:29.680
should never use profanity. So we get a hole, we

543
00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:34.640
get Bruce his butthole, we get freaking we get g

544
00:27:34.839 --> 00:27:38.960
whiz like he Yeah. And my theory on this and

545
00:27:39.000 --> 00:27:40.880
I know we again, we're gonna get to a bigger

546
00:27:40.880 --> 00:27:43.839
theory at the end of this episode. But my theory

547
00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:45.640
is that he was going for like a Clark Kent

548
00:27:46.200 --> 00:27:49.000
type of type of thing. He's a huge Superman fan.

549
00:27:49.160 --> 00:27:52.440
He loves loves the Man of Steel. So I think,

550
00:27:52.519 --> 00:27:55.279
like when you watch this also knowing that you can

551
00:27:55.359 --> 00:27:58.200
kind of get his his Clark Kent like, you know,

552
00:27:58.200 --> 00:28:01.559
I think he almost played Superman on that Tim Burton film,

553
00:28:02.319 --> 00:28:06.720
So that's interesting. Yeah, I can see this is maybe

554
00:28:06.720 --> 00:28:08.960
this is a little bit of what Nick Cage. Nick

555
00:28:09.000 --> 00:28:11.359
Cage's Clark Kent could have been We See in the

556
00:28:11.440 --> 00:28:12.559
Rock is what I'm thinking.

557
00:28:13.200 --> 00:28:14.480
I dig it, all right?

558
00:28:15.279 --> 00:28:19.640
Ed Harris as General Hummel this is I'm gonna go

559
00:28:19.640 --> 00:28:22.680
ahead and say this is probably my second favorite Ed

560
00:28:22.720 --> 00:28:23.599
Harris performance.

561
00:28:24.200 --> 00:28:30.000
Ooh ooh, okay, Yeah, the Abyss gotta be the Abyss.

562
00:28:30.039 --> 00:28:32.799
Bud in the Abyss is Yeah, me too. I'm all

563
00:28:32.839 --> 00:28:35.359
in on the Bond. I'm all in for the Abyss Virgil.

564
00:28:36.359 --> 00:28:39.200
But General Hummell this is. This is a situation where, yeah,

565
00:28:39.240 --> 00:28:42.279
he's the main villain of this film, but is he

566
00:28:42.319 --> 00:28:42.759
a villain?

567
00:28:43.079 --> 00:28:44.599
How bad really is he?

568
00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:49.440
Yeah? It's I I wrestle with this because I I

569
00:28:49.519 --> 00:28:52.759
understand he's gotta be the the antagonist, but I'm not

570
00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:55.799
gonna call him a villain because you have to kind

571
00:28:55.839 --> 00:28:58.039
of buy into his mission.

572
00:28:58.079 --> 00:28:59.440
You gotta, you gotta go along with him.

573
00:28:59.480 --> 00:29:02.839
Even Michael's characters like, hey, god knows, I'm I don't

574
00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:05.799
I agree with you when they have their standoff. But

575
00:29:06.720 --> 00:29:08.640
I appreciate the fact that he's just looking out for

576
00:29:08.680 --> 00:29:10.920
the men's families that died under his command.

577
00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:13.279
I love that about his character. Honestly.

578
00:29:13.359 --> 00:29:16.640
First of all, his mission is great. I love it.

579
00:29:17.200 --> 00:29:19.359
I agree with it. You know, he's looking at for

580
00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:22.640
his men, and he does get a lot of marines

581
00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:27.400
killed trying to save you know, others. But to me,

582
00:29:27.559 --> 00:29:31.079
it's almost like it's almost like Ed Harris was given

583
00:29:31.160 --> 00:29:34.000
the script to a different movie and somebody said, listen,

584
00:29:34.799 --> 00:29:38.839
you are a war hero who is going to bat

585
00:29:39.039 --> 00:29:41.119
for This is a drama, and you're going to bat

586
00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:44.839
for your soldiers. And they gave Conrie and Cage something

587
00:29:44.839 --> 00:29:48.559
completely different, and then they weaved it together. He he

588
00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:53.079
is so serious in this movie and dramatic and on point.

589
00:29:53.359 --> 00:29:54.480
I love his performance.

590
00:29:55.160 --> 00:29:58.440
You mentioned when we started this one what this could

591
00:29:58.480 --> 00:30:00.839
have been. You know, you just give it a little nudge.

592
00:30:02.240 --> 00:30:05.359
You are one hundred percent right in that assessment, because

593
00:30:06.279 --> 00:30:08.960
I feel like Ed Harris is reading a script that

594
00:30:09.039 --> 00:30:13.480
is a military thriller. Yeah, and everyone else has the

595
00:30:13.920 --> 00:30:15.559
fun summer blockbuster script.

596
00:30:16.279 --> 00:30:16.519
Yeah.

597
00:30:16.559 --> 00:30:19.039
You know, he's you know, it's and it's kind of like,

598
00:30:19.200 --> 00:30:24.240
don't tell Ed what we're doing, right he is, He's

599
00:30:24.599 --> 00:30:26.880
And there's some I I mentioned this to you a

600
00:30:26.880 --> 00:30:27.680
week or two ago.

601
00:30:28.119 --> 00:30:34.559
There's some great outtakes with Ed on on set not having.

602
00:30:34.400 --> 00:30:37.039
A good day, you know, blowing his top.

603
00:30:37.519 --> 00:30:39.960
Yeah, and It's not that he's blowing his top at anyone.

604
00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:42.960
He's just getting frustrated in the moment because he's he's

605
00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:47.240
flubbing his lines and uh man on point. And on

606
00:30:47.279 --> 00:30:50.799
top of that, he's been on record, is you know

607
00:30:51.359 --> 00:30:54.000
he kind of him and Michael Bay Kanda, you know,

608
00:30:55.359 --> 00:30:58.640
there's a little bit of friction just because Bay wants

609
00:30:58.680 --> 00:31:03.559
to film everything from every angle and Ed Harris is like,

610
00:31:03.759 --> 00:31:05.680
let me do my thing. Let me get in the

611
00:31:05.759 --> 00:31:08.720
kitchen and cook yep and show you what I can do.

612
00:31:09.240 --> 00:31:11.240
And we've got extreme close ups we got you know,

613
00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:13.480
he even Ed Harris has said, like, look, this guy

614
00:31:13.559 --> 00:31:18.160
shot it from the side, from the front, close, from under.

615
00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:20.640
It's just everywhere you look, there's a camera pointed at you,

616
00:31:20.680 --> 00:31:24.759
and it's just too much. But ultimately, I like, I like,

617
00:31:24.799 --> 00:31:26.440
I love his performance, I love I love what he's

618
00:31:26.440 --> 00:31:29.480
doing this and I don't I don't entirely disagree with

619
00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:29.920
what he does.

620
00:31:30.359 --> 00:31:33.359
Yeah, he's awesome. Ed Harris, former Oklahoma Sooner.

621
00:31:34.319 --> 00:31:37.720
I know you're back at him for you know that, Yeah,

622
00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:42.759
that's right. Supporting players, we we we kind of jumped

623
00:31:42.759 --> 00:31:45.279
the gun, so to speak. With Michael Bean as Commander

624
00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:48.640
Anderson love what he's doing in this. Let's talk about

625
00:31:48.640 --> 00:31:51.519
those Yeah, awesome as always. Let's let's talk about William

626
00:31:51.519 --> 00:31:55.759
Forsyth plays Paxton. Yep, here's my question to you, because

627
00:31:55.759 --> 00:31:59.279
I've watched this a bunch of times. Does Paxton answer

628
00:31:59.359 --> 00:32:03.319
to director or the is the FBI? Like, I don't really.

629
00:32:04.240 --> 00:32:05.759
They had that quick meet and greet right before they

630
00:32:05.799 --> 00:32:08.720
go into interview Mason, and he's just like, good speed.

631
00:32:08.759 --> 00:32:09.359
This is Paxton.

632
00:32:09.480 --> 00:32:12.319
He you know, he's what the I don't even know

633
00:32:12.359 --> 00:32:15.119
what he says, but it just seems like Paxton is

634
00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:17.400
not in the FBI.

635
00:32:18.359 --> 00:32:21.359
He's got you know, he's just there to kind of

636
00:32:21.359 --> 00:32:23.359
give a gravelly voice every once in a while.

637
00:32:23.839 --> 00:32:26.599
He's there to look good with a mustache. William Forsyth.

638
00:32:26.640 --> 00:32:29.039
I love Forsyth. He's he's awesome everything. This is his

639
00:32:29.119 --> 00:32:31.400
second time working with Nicholas Cage too. Think about the

640
00:32:31.559 --> 00:32:32.279
raising Arizona.

641
00:32:32.440 --> 00:32:35.160
Oh I didn't even think about that.

642
00:32:35.720 --> 00:32:36.440
Good call.

643
00:32:36.960 --> 00:32:41.880
Yeah. Another another throwback to uh to a to a

644
00:32:41.880 --> 00:32:47.160
William Forsyth film. That that I love is a Cloak

645
00:32:47.200 --> 00:32:49.640
and Dagger. Remember he played the he played I think

646
00:32:49.640 --> 00:32:52.519
it was more the computer nerd. Yeah, the store, the

647
00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:55.200
video game store, because remember he has that little that

648
00:32:55.200 --> 00:32:56.799
little throw a line like, yeah, I've read all the

649
00:32:56.799 --> 00:32:57.799
cloak and dagger stuff.

650
00:32:58.240 --> 00:32:59.559
When they're talking about John Mason.

651
00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:00.559
I love when.

652
00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:02.400
I love when writers do that, or if that was

653
00:33:02.440 --> 00:33:04.880
an ad lib from Forsyth, I love that. I love

654
00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:07.440
when actors kind of call out some of.

655
00:33:07.359 --> 00:33:08.039
Their past work.

656
00:33:08.759 --> 00:33:10.400
And he's great, he's he's he's a he's the good,

657
00:33:10.440 --> 00:33:12.400
he's a he's a good straight man for the comedic

658
00:33:12.440 --> 00:33:14.960
stuff that's happening to this, I think, yes, for sure.

659
00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:17.680
And he and he has what you know, in a

660
00:33:17.720 --> 00:33:20.440
movie that is kind of jammed with what I feel

661
00:33:20.480 --> 00:33:23.559
is unintentional comedy. He has one of the more funnier

662
00:33:23.559 --> 00:33:27.000
lines for me, when you know everything goes wrong at

663
00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:30.480
Alcatraz and you know Nicholas Cage is like, well we

664
00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:31.559
got a situation here.

665
00:33:31.559 --> 00:33:34.680
He's he's got a gun, sir, and what do you have?

666
00:33:34.720 --> 00:33:39.599
A fucking water pistol? I laugh every time I hear

667
00:33:39.640 --> 00:33:40.000
that line.

668
00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:42.720
Man, he's good, he's good.

669
00:33:42.920 --> 00:33:45.920
Yeah, let's talk about another Let's talk about a famous

670
00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:52.039
that guy, John Spencer is the he's fd FBI director Womack, right,

671
00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:53.759
we meaning.

672
00:33:53.559 --> 00:33:54.759
Right, wes Wing.

673
00:33:54.759 --> 00:33:57.839
I think west Wing is like probably he's most famous

674
00:33:57.839 --> 00:33:59.400
for you did like one hundred and fifty five episodes

675
00:33:59.440 --> 00:34:02.880
of that. But before West Wing, he was in War

676
00:34:02.920 --> 00:34:07.240
Games in eighty three, Wow, Miamivice, Miami Vice in eighty six.

677
00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:09.719
You know, you gotta wonder did Michael Bay meet him

678
00:34:10.280 --> 00:34:13.119
when they're on the set of Miami Vice. Yeah, he did.

679
00:34:13.159 --> 00:34:15.800
Presumed Innocent in nineteen ninety. He did Copland in ninety seven.

680
00:34:16.559 --> 00:34:20.519
We talked about The Negotiator in ninety eight, and I

681
00:34:20.519 --> 00:34:23.119
think he had a pretty extensive run on La Law

682
00:34:23.239 --> 00:34:26.119
before he hit West Wing. So he's one of those guys,

683
00:34:26.159 --> 00:34:28.800
like he's se him in so many movies. Again, he's

684
00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:33.159
that guy, right, not a big filmography, though not as

685
00:34:33.159 --> 00:34:35.079
big as a fomography as you think.

686
00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:37.079
Sadly, he passed away in two thousand and five. He

687
00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:38.760
had a heart attack. He was only fifty eight years old.

688
00:34:39.639 --> 00:34:42.519
Yeah, that's that's too bad. I mean he really was

689
00:34:42.559 --> 00:34:44.159
a strong that guy, you know.

690
00:34:44.599 --> 00:34:46.880
Absolutely, and he always played.

691
00:34:46.599 --> 00:34:50.800
Like the lieutenant or the chief for the you know,

692
00:34:51.079 --> 00:34:53.639
he's he he commands respect. I think he's he has

693
00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:55.599
that that that that authority.

694
00:34:56.119 --> 00:34:58.599
I love the lawyers too of this movie. That I mean,

695
00:34:58.639 --> 00:35:03.719
he is Mason's antagonist. You know. Yes, he's like his

696
00:35:03.800 --> 00:35:05.519
own personal bad guy, you know.

697
00:35:05.519 --> 00:35:11.480
Uh huh so, And let's be honest, he he pretty

698
00:35:11.519 --> 00:35:14.679
much did John Mason wrong. You know, you can't lock

699
00:35:14.719 --> 00:35:17.119
someone up without a trial for thirty years.

700
00:35:17.159 --> 00:35:19.000
Let's just lock him up forgot about him?

701
00:35:19.199 --> 00:35:24.000
Yeah, do away the key, yep, Jason. Let's talk. Let's

702
00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:28.280
talk about before they were famous. We got two very

703
00:35:28.840 --> 00:35:35.000
very talented, very lovely actresses to discuss. Vanessa Marcel plays

704
00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:39.960
Carlos Stanley's Stanley's girlfriend. Yes, so before she had done

705
00:35:40.920 --> 00:35:44.599
this performance, she was in Prince's music video The Most

706
00:35:44.599 --> 00:35:46.719
Beautiful Girl in the World nineteen ninety four.

707
00:35:47.119 --> 00:35:50.480
Yeah, have you ever seen that video? It's been a while.

708
00:35:51.199 --> 00:35:52.079
It's a little cringey.

709
00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:55.960
You know. Prince is kind of gallivant and in this

710
00:35:57.000 --> 00:36:01.480
very form fitting body suit that it looks like it

711
00:36:01.519 --> 00:36:03.800
was crocheted, like something like mamm All gave him.

712
00:36:03.800 --> 00:36:05.320
And oh man, okay.

713
00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:06.920
You know these women are just coming in and they're

714
00:36:06.920 --> 00:36:09.199
sitting on this red velvet couch and then they're looking

715
00:36:09.239 --> 00:36:11.519
at the screen and it's like their I guess, like

716
00:36:11.559 --> 00:36:14.119
their best moments or their most beautiful moments. You know,

717
00:36:14.840 --> 00:36:16.800
women of all shapes and sizes, like, you know, because

718
00:36:16.840 --> 00:36:19.599
it's they're the most beautiful girl in the world.

719
00:36:19.760 --> 00:36:21.119
She she has like a bit role.

720
00:36:21.199 --> 00:36:24.440
She she's like an actress winning like an Academy Award

721
00:36:24.840 --> 00:36:27.119
for like a you know, a couple of seconds in it.

722
00:36:27.760 --> 00:36:29.119
She does she have pigtails in that?

723
00:36:29.840 --> 00:36:33.280
No, sadly she does not. She's wearing like a Marilyn

724
00:36:33.320 --> 00:36:36.199
Moroe looking kind of address. But you got to say,

725
00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:38.400
you know, she she kind of becomes a fixture on

726
00:36:38.519 --> 00:36:43.480
nineties television after after what she does here in the Rock.

727
00:36:43.559 --> 00:36:46.599
You know, she's got roles on General Hospital, Beverly Hills

728
00:36:46.639 --> 00:36:50.760
nine O two one oh, Spend City. She probably i'd

729
00:36:50.760 --> 00:36:54.320
say her probably her most famous stint is she played

730
00:36:54.440 --> 00:36:58.800
Sam Marquez on Las Vegas with Jims con Yes, yeah,

731
00:36:58.880 --> 00:37:00.400
on her net, Like I think she was like in

732
00:37:00.440 --> 00:37:01.440
every episode of that show.

733
00:37:01.480 --> 00:37:05.159
So I think so she's I mean, she is stunning

734
00:37:05.320 --> 00:37:06.079
in this movie.

735
00:37:06.159 --> 00:37:06.679
She's stunning.

736
00:37:06.679 --> 00:37:10.039
Why why didn't we see more of her? And what

737
00:37:10.079 --> 00:37:11.960
I mean by that is like, shouldn't she have had

738
00:37:11.960 --> 00:37:12.719
a bigger career?

739
00:37:13.679 --> 00:37:16.960
She could have easily been in a thousand other late

740
00:37:17.079 --> 00:37:21.480
nineties you know, she could have been the role played

741
00:37:21.559 --> 00:37:23.519
by Karen Duffy and dumb and dumber. I mean, you know,

742
00:37:23.559 --> 00:37:25.599
it's just she could have been in everything.

743
00:37:25.840 --> 00:37:29.119
You know, she could have been America's sweetheart as far

744
00:37:29.119 --> 00:37:29.880
as I'm concerned.

745
00:37:30.639 --> 00:37:32.960
By the way, I don't know if you you didn't

746
00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:36.360
mention this yet, but I sent you a picture she

747
00:37:36.599 --> 00:37:39.920
was married to Corey Feldman.

748
00:37:40.719 --> 00:37:44.079
Yeah, and I'm glad that you reminded me of that,

749
00:37:44.119 --> 00:37:46.280
because I think we just answered the question as to

750
00:37:46.320 --> 00:37:52.440
why she didn't become some megastar in the nineties, because look,

751
00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:55.320
you and I we love Corey Feldman. In the eighties,

752
00:37:55.559 --> 00:37:58.800
he could do no wrong. Right the nineties, things get

753
00:37:58.800 --> 00:38:02.079
a little weird. Yeah, Corey Feldman, and by like the

754
00:38:02.159 --> 00:38:04.840
late nineties, early two thousands, he I hate it. But

755
00:38:05.000 --> 00:38:06.639
the guy, I mean, the guy's a train wreck right now.

756
00:38:06.800 --> 00:38:10.719
Like the stuff he's doing is just it's absurd. And

757
00:38:10.760 --> 00:38:12.639
you gotta wonder, like if he was kind of calling

758
00:38:12.679 --> 00:38:15.559
the shots, if he was kind of kind of mentoring her,

759
00:38:15.840 --> 00:38:17.840
or you know, looking after he was the.

760
00:38:17.840 --> 00:38:20.039
Big star when they were married exactly.

761
00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:23.039
So maybe maybe that's why we don't see more of

762
00:38:23.079 --> 00:38:27.480
her in the nineties. But I'll tell you who, we

763
00:38:27.519 --> 00:38:31.400
saw a lot of is Claire for Lannie, she plays

764
00:38:32.079 --> 00:38:34.000
Sean Connery's daughter Jade Angelou.

765
00:38:34.400 --> 00:38:34.679
Yep.

766
00:38:35.519 --> 00:38:38.320
Before this movie, Jason, she I gotta go back and

767
00:38:38.360 --> 00:38:39.639
watch this. I don't want to watch it, but I

768
00:38:39.679 --> 00:38:42.400
gotta watch it now because of this. Her film debut,

769
00:38:42.519 --> 00:38:45.480
she does Plice Academy Mission to Moscow in nineteen ninety four.

770
00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:48.199
Oh are you serious? Yeah? I think that was the

771
00:38:48.280 --> 00:38:49.519
last place Academy movie too.

772
00:38:49.519 --> 00:38:52.519
I think I think that's right eighty nine.

773
00:38:52.519 --> 00:38:56.000
If I'm not mistaken, Well, mission Moscow's was ninety four.

774
00:38:56.239 --> 00:38:58.320
Oh ninety four. I'm sorry, never mind, Yeah, got that.

775
00:38:58.719 --> 00:39:03.440
I will you know, I she can't for me, I'll

776
00:39:03.440 --> 00:39:06.880
always remember her. You know. She played Brandy s Finning

777
00:39:06.920 --> 00:39:10.960
in mal Rats, Kevin Smith's movie nineteen ninety five. Let

778
00:39:10.960 --> 00:39:13.559
me tell you how hard this woman's working though. From

779
00:39:13.559 --> 00:39:16.679
her debut in nineteen ninety two in a film called

780
00:39:16.719 --> 00:39:21.119
Gypsy Eyes up until twenty twenty, there's only been three

781
00:39:21.239 --> 00:39:24.239
years where she wasn't featured in a film. Think about that.

782
00:39:24.519 --> 00:39:27.920
Every year she's in at least one film from ninety

783
00:39:27.960 --> 00:39:30.519
two to twenty twenty. That's fantasting.

784
00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:32.079
Yeah, great run.

785
00:39:32.119 --> 00:39:35.119
And you know those three years, you know she wasn't

786
00:39:35.199 --> 00:39:37.840
you know, like twenty ten, she didn't put out a film,

787
00:39:38.480 --> 00:39:41.840
but she was doing CSI New York. And then you know,

788
00:39:41.960 --> 00:39:45.360
twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, she you know, maybe she decides, hey,

789
00:39:45.400 --> 00:39:48.159
I think I'll take a break now. And ever since

790
00:39:48.199 --> 00:39:51.320
twenty twenty one, she's been She's also been doing TV.

791
00:39:51.519 --> 00:39:55.480
She's on a show called Domina. So good for her. Yeah,

792
00:39:55.480 --> 00:39:58.400
I mean, small role in this movie, but I don't know,

793
00:39:58.440 --> 00:40:01.280
I always like her when she she pops up important,

794
00:40:01.360 --> 00:40:04.119
you know, it's small but very important. Yeah. She she

795
00:40:04.239 --> 00:40:09.400
gives us, Uh, she gives us some information that we'll

796
00:40:09.519 --> 00:40:12.760
use here later in this theory that we want to

797
00:40:12.760 --> 00:40:15.280
talk about. You know, she's kind of given some background

798
00:40:15.280 --> 00:40:18.800
information on John Mason. So absolutely, well, I know we're

799
00:40:18.800 --> 00:40:21.599
going to get to that, but before we do, let's

800
00:40:21.599 --> 00:40:24.239
take one last break, and then I think it'll be

801
00:40:24.239 --> 00:40:29.519
time that we start keeping it real. We are back,

802
00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:34.000
and uh, Jason, is it time to start keeping it real? Yes?

803
00:40:34.079 --> 00:40:36.880
But before we do, I've got to drop one last

804
00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:37.519
nugget on you.

805
00:40:38.119 --> 00:40:39.119
Okay, what do you got for me?

806
00:40:39.440 --> 00:40:39.960
All right?

807
00:40:40.039 --> 00:40:43.840
Here is an actor who's making a cameo in The Rock.

808
00:40:44.239 --> 00:40:47.239
Okay, hold on, So we we always do. We just did,

809
00:40:47.320 --> 00:40:49.519
we just did. Before they were famous. I didn't think,

810
00:40:49.840 --> 00:40:51.719
are you sure there's a cameo, because I don't remember

811
00:40:51.920 --> 00:40:55.679
a cameo? Who do you got? Okay as one of

812
00:40:55.719 --> 00:41:00.639
the fighter pilots in the Rock Okay, Jim Caviezel what

813
00:41:01.320 --> 00:41:08.599
Jim cavisl Jesus Jesus Christ, he's in this movie? Are

814
00:41:08.599 --> 00:41:09.199
you kidding me?

815
00:41:09.719 --> 00:41:11.920
Yes, he's one of the fighter pilots.

816
00:41:12.800 --> 00:41:15.000
That is a blink and you miss it moment like, yes,

817
00:41:15.119 --> 00:41:18.800
Jim Covizel jumping in an F sixteen for like, that's crazy.

818
00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:22.320
There you go. I wonder if I saw I'm assuming,

819
00:41:23.199 --> 00:41:24.480
well now I see. Now I gotta go back and

820
00:41:24.519 --> 00:41:27.039
watch it again because now I'm wondering if he's the

821
00:41:27.039 --> 00:41:29.400
fighter pot you know, there's they kind of pull up,

822
00:41:29.440 --> 00:41:31.320
they get the abort, and then one guy was like

823
00:41:32.119 --> 00:41:33.920
I just dropped it like he you know, like one

824
00:41:33.960 --> 00:41:36.880
guy kind of hit the fire button before just you know.

825
00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:39.400
I'm not sure which one is which, but yeah.

826
00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:42.480
I'm gonna I'm gonna go back and watch it. Listen

827
00:41:42.519 --> 00:41:45.039
to that, listen to that voice, and if it's if

828
00:41:45.039 --> 00:41:47.519
it happens to be a a heavenly voice.

829
00:41:47.519 --> 00:41:49.119
I'll know that's that's that's Jim Cavizel.

830
00:41:49.119 --> 00:41:52.679
Now that's there. You go there, you go, oh wow,

831
00:41:52.880 --> 00:41:55.639
that's good one man. Uh, all right, well we gotta

832
00:41:55.719 --> 00:41:59.719
keep it real here. Okay, So, Jason, you've answered these

833
00:41:59.800 --> 00:42:03.159
questions before. I got three questions for you. Okay, let's

834
00:42:03.199 --> 00:42:07.079
start with one of our favorite actors, WILLIAMS. Zopka, who

835
00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:11.679
was dominating Dojo's high school cafeterias and college swimming pools

836
00:42:11.719 --> 00:42:14.320
in some of the best movies in the eighties, and

837
00:42:14.360 --> 00:42:17.360
then he's notably absent from Hollywood for most of the nineties,

838
00:42:18.000 --> 00:42:21.880
most not all, but most so. The question is what

839
00:42:21.960 --> 00:42:26.280
about zob Jason replaced one actor from this film with

840
00:42:26.320 --> 00:42:28.000
William Zopka. Who do you got?

841
00:42:28.559 --> 00:42:31.679
I am putting William Zopka in the role that Gregor

842
00:42:31.760 --> 00:42:37.159
Lee Spiletto played. Captain Fry was He he's.

843
00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:40.079
The younger captain who's kind of kind of unhinged, right.

844
00:42:40.519 --> 00:42:43.199
He's kind of the psychopath at the end, who still

845
00:42:43.199 --> 00:42:44.599
wants to bomb San Francisco.

846
00:42:44.599 --> 00:42:45.840
He kind of woh yeah.

847
00:42:45.639 --> 00:42:49.599
He's he's the one that eats the the LASTPX gas ball,

848
00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:50.400
that's it.

849
00:42:51.199 --> 00:42:52.920
He wants to watch it all burn.

850
00:42:55.679 --> 00:42:58.639
I could see Zapka playing playing that guy, you know,

851
00:42:58.760 --> 00:43:02.880
slightly unhinged see people die well. I mean, Zopka is

852
00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:05.679
an American hero from the eighties, so I don't know

853
00:43:05.719 --> 00:43:08.880
about all that, but he could go off. He could

854
00:43:08.920 --> 00:43:11.800
he could go against character. He could play a villain

855
00:43:11.840 --> 00:43:15.480
for one villain. Yeah that yeah, that that's it's a

856
00:43:15.519 --> 00:43:19.639
physical role. He clearly is. He's got more screen time

857
00:43:19.719 --> 00:43:24.800
than most of the the rogue Marines that that are

858
00:43:24.880 --> 00:43:29.280
under General Hummel's commands. So all right, I like that. Okay,

859
00:43:29.559 --> 00:43:36.239
I'm going big though. William Zopka is Stanley Goodspeed. Really yes,

860
00:43:37.400 --> 00:43:40.159
think about this. I even saw the scene in my

861
00:43:40.199 --> 00:43:42.760
head when when Mason challenges good Speed about being a

862
00:43:42.800 --> 00:43:45.400
field agent. He could he could counter. He could be like,

863
00:43:45.400 --> 00:43:47.679
hey man, I'm maybe not, but I'm a black belt

864
00:43:47.679 --> 00:43:50.800
in karate. You know, I won the under All Valley

865
00:43:50.960 --> 00:43:55.000
in eighty four. I could have seen this as like,

866
00:43:55.119 --> 00:43:59.119
this could have been the William Zobka action film that

867
00:43:59.159 --> 00:44:00.000
makes him an action stuff.

868
00:44:01.039 --> 00:44:01.760
I mean, why not.

869
00:44:02.440 --> 00:44:05.440
Yeah, he's got the physicality, he's got the he's got

870
00:44:05.440 --> 00:44:08.920
the looks, he's got the talent. He could have done it.

871
00:44:09.079 --> 00:44:10.519
He could have played and he could have. He could

872
00:44:10.559 --> 00:44:14.880
have played that quirkiness that that Nicholas Cage does. Maybe

873
00:44:14.920 --> 00:44:16.920
not as weird as Nick Cage does, but I think

874
00:44:17.039 --> 00:44:18.079
I think he could have pulled it off.

875
00:44:18.119 --> 00:44:19.960
Man, he's got the touch.

876
00:44:20.239 --> 00:44:22.480
Yeah, he could.

877
00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:27.119
Have done a sequel, prequel, remake, Jason. I want to

878
00:44:27.159 --> 00:44:29.119
talk about this one I got. I got one that

879
00:44:29.119 --> 00:44:31.000
I think is gonna work for you. But before I

880
00:44:31.239 --> 00:44:33.719
before I tell you mine and ask you about yours,

881
00:44:33.800 --> 00:44:38.119
I will tell you that. In twenty seventeen, Michael Bay

882
00:44:38.159 --> 00:44:41.440
revealed that, following the success of The Rock he had

883
00:44:41.440 --> 00:44:45.559
an idea for a sequel involving Stanley Goodspeed being on

884
00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:49.199
the run from the FBI because he's got the microfilm, okay,

885
00:44:49.400 --> 00:44:50.559
and good Speed.

886
00:44:50.280 --> 00:44:53.039
Was gonna call on John Mason to help him escape.

887
00:44:53.679 --> 00:44:54.800
I mean that sounds like fun.

888
00:44:54.840 --> 00:44:55.960
I'd be out of it with fun.

889
00:44:56.159 --> 00:44:56.960
Yeah, I mean, I don't know.

890
00:44:57.039 --> 00:44:58.079
I don't know what happened. I don't know if it

891
00:44:58.079 --> 00:44:59.519
was one of those like I got this idea and

892
00:44:59.519 --> 00:45:02.400
he never maybe he never pursued it. I would think

893
00:45:03.199 --> 00:45:04.880
when a movie that is but you know, has a

894
00:45:04.880 --> 00:45:06.920
seventy five million dollar budget and makes three hundred and

895
00:45:06.920 --> 00:45:08.639
thirty five million I would think that the studios would

896
00:45:08.679 --> 00:45:12.239
be like, hey, whatever you say, man, like, let's go,

897
00:45:12.400 --> 00:45:13.639
let's make it right.

898
00:45:14.480 --> 00:45:18.039
They did not. Uh so, my my, my ask.

899
00:45:17.960 --> 00:45:20.760
Of you is, if you were in control, what would

900
00:45:20.800 --> 00:45:22.840
be your pitch to the studio. You're doing a sequel,

901
00:45:22.920 --> 00:45:24.280
a prequel, or a remake.

902
00:45:24.920 --> 00:45:27.960
This is an easy call, I mean, and it's such

903
00:45:28.199 --> 00:45:31.639
low hanging fruit. But it's the prequel. It's the it's

904
00:45:31.639 --> 00:45:33.679
the prequel. It's the prequel, right.

905
00:45:34.159 --> 00:45:35.599
Yep, what's your prequel? Do you have it?

906
00:45:36.159 --> 00:45:40.320
Well, it's it's it's John Mason's escape from Alcatraz.

907
00:45:40.760 --> 00:45:44.480
Okay, and do you want to hear about it?

908
00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:47.719
Yeah? All right, because that's I'm with you. I'm with

909
00:45:47.760 --> 00:45:49.800
you on a prequel. So maybe let me pitch you.

910
00:45:49.920 --> 00:45:51.159
Okay, Yeah, let's hear it.

911
00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:58.000
The film is called The Guest of Alcatraz, a sixties

912
00:45:58.079 --> 00:46:03.599
period thriller starring James McAvoy as John Patrick Mason, a

913
00:46:03.639 --> 00:46:07.719
British intelligence agent unlawfully held without trial for crimes against

914
00:46:07.719 --> 00:46:13.039
the US until he escapes the famously inescapable prison. Take

915
00:46:13.119 --> 00:46:15.639
my money, let's take my money, right, Yeah, let's go.

916
00:46:16.639 --> 00:46:18.440
I've been on a McAvoy kick lately. We you know,

917
00:46:18.480 --> 00:46:21.599
we did split last you know, this this past Tuesday,

918
00:46:21.719 --> 00:46:25.039
last Tuesday, and then you know he's got that new

919
00:46:25.039 --> 00:46:26.880
movie coming out next month, that that thriller.

920
00:46:27.599 --> 00:46:29.280
He looks like a psycho in that one as well.

921
00:46:29.400 --> 00:46:31.320
Yeah, yeah, he's definitely gonna be a psycho in that.

922
00:46:31.400 --> 00:46:33.199
But you know, I was thinking, like, who plays a

923
00:46:33.239 --> 00:46:36.039
young Sean Connery, you know, like a sixty Sean Connery.

924
00:46:36.840 --> 00:46:37.960
I think McAvoy could do it.

925
00:46:38.400 --> 00:46:41.960
I think you're right. Yeah, he's got the tensity. But

926
00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:43.719
he can be kind of fun. I mean he could,

927
00:46:43.840 --> 00:46:44.199
he could.

928
00:46:44.320 --> 00:46:49.199
He's a chameleon, charming but roguish. Yeah, yep, so DVD extras.

929
00:46:49.840 --> 00:46:53.039
In nineteen ninety six, the DVD format is initially introduced

930
00:46:53.039 --> 00:46:57.000
to US markets. The simplicity of the compact disc compleased us.

931
00:46:57.519 --> 00:47:00.880
The high definition wowedest and we start throwing all our

932
00:47:00.920 --> 00:47:05.119
VH tips out the window. But Jason, for centophiles like

933
00:47:05.119 --> 00:47:08.519
you and I, the exclusive special features were usually at

934
00:47:08.559 --> 00:47:13.239
no frills package of a scene selection, French or Spanish subtitles.

935
00:47:13.480 --> 00:47:17.320
If you're lucky, you got a trailer. So I'm gonna

936
00:47:17.360 --> 00:47:20.719
ask you what DVD extra would you want on your

937
00:47:20.760 --> 00:47:26.000
DVD for this film? An in character audio commentary I'm

938
00:47:26.039 --> 00:47:31.800
making of documentary or the recently included the Amber Lewis

939
00:47:31.880 --> 00:47:33.599
Actors Roundtable. What do you?

940
00:47:33.639 --> 00:47:35.719
What do you got?

941
00:47:36.039 --> 00:47:38.639
Once again, this is too easy, it's low hanging fruit.

942
00:47:39.079 --> 00:47:43.639
But I'm going with the Amber Lewis Actors Roundtable.

943
00:47:43.719 --> 00:47:45.880
You always do this, this is your go to man.

944
00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:46.679
I love it, I know.

945
00:47:46.920 --> 00:47:49.159
But here's the reason why. Let me let me just

946
00:47:49.159 --> 00:47:53.840
tell you why. Yeah, because you've got such depth from

947
00:47:53.960 --> 00:47:57.599
movies that we love here from I mean we're talking,

948
00:47:57.679 --> 00:47:59.920
I mean, you got all the stories from Shawn kan,

949
00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:02.440
you got all the stories from Nick Cage, You've got

950
00:48:02.599 --> 00:48:07.719
Ed Harris, Michael Bean, John mcgilly, I mean all these people.

951
00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:11.480
David Morse, he's been some great movies. Wayam Forsyth. He

952
00:48:11.480 --> 00:48:14.440
can tell you about Steven Seagal and John Goodman all

953
00:48:14.480 --> 00:48:18.400
in the same So I like all of these guys.

954
00:48:18.440 --> 00:48:21.239
I would love to hear you know. Plus you've got

955
00:48:21.239 --> 00:48:23.920
Tony Todd to tell us Candy Man stuff as well.

956
00:48:24.000 --> 00:48:27.239
So all right, so I'm I'm gonna challenge you here. Okay,

957
00:48:27.239 --> 00:48:28.840
So I knew you, I knew I knew you were

958
00:48:28.840 --> 00:48:31.079
gonna go with the Amber Lewis Actors Round table. Yeah,

959
00:48:31.119 --> 00:48:35.360
And to be fair, the Criterion Collection DVD has the commentary,

960
00:48:35.440 --> 00:48:38.760
it has the making of documentaries and a whole lot more. Okay,

961
00:48:38.880 --> 00:48:41.880
does not have an actor's round table, so I would

962
00:48:41.960 --> 00:48:44.159
I'm going with the same thing. But I'm here's my

963
00:48:44.239 --> 00:48:48.599
challenge to you, and again, this is twenty minutes as

964
00:48:48.639 --> 00:48:51.880
a DVD extra. You are not gonna get Sir Sean

965
00:48:51.920 --> 00:48:56.679
Connery or Nicholas Cage or Ed Harris. You can have

966
00:48:57.719 --> 00:49:00.800
Michael Bay and you can have two other guys. Who

967
00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:01.360
you going for?

968
00:49:02.199 --> 00:49:09.400
Okay? I take Michael Bay. I take Michael Bean. Yeah,

969
00:49:10.079 --> 00:49:12.480
and I take David Morse good, Paul.

970
00:49:12.760 --> 00:49:16.079
We didn't even talk about David Moose Again. I hate

971
00:49:16.079 --> 00:49:18.719
that we didn't have time to talk about all the

972
00:49:18.840 --> 00:49:21.159
supporting players in this movie. But there's just so many.

973
00:49:21.199 --> 00:49:25.639
I mean, everyone under Humble's command is somebody that we

974
00:49:25.639 --> 00:49:28.679
could have talked about for a little bit. I feel like,

975
00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:31.840
so yeah, for sure, for sure, good choice, good choice.

976
00:49:32.519 --> 00:49:36.559
Moving right along, let's talk about the film's legacy. Would

977
00:49:36.559 --> 00:49:38.960
you say this is a classic, a cult classic, or

978
00:49:39.000 --> 00:49:42.159
just a product of the nineties classic. It's got to

979
00:49:42.159 --> 00:49:45.199
be a classic, right, I mean, it still holds up

980
00:49:46.760 --> 00:49:48.559
and when we talk about this film being a strong

981
00:49:48.639 --> 00:49:52.760
representation of nineties culture. You gotta look back to Womack

982
00:49:52.840 --> 00:49:56.719
who orders Mason to draw the seals a blueprint, you know,

983
00:49:56.760 --> 00:49:58.079
and then Sean Conners.

984
00:49:57.800 --> 00:50:00.960
Like, I can't my blue printer was like my head.

985
00:50:02.400 --> 00:50:05.400
I feel like this, this film is the blueprint for

986
00:50:05.440 --> 00:50:10.039
creating a successful action movie, especially in the nineties. And

987
00:50:10.119 --> 00:50:13.280
you know that Michael Bay. Look, I feel like he

988
00:50:13.360 --> 00:50:16.119
kind of cemented it with this film. Every Michael Bay

989
00:50:16.159 --> 00:50:20.679
movie after this is going to be successful because of

990
00:50:20.719 --> 00:50:22.400
The Rock and because of and it's gonna look like

991
00:50:22.440 --> 00:50:24.079
it's gonna be stylized like The Rock.

992
00:50:24.119 --> 00:50:26.719
I feel I feel like this gave us a flavor

993
00:50:26.719 --> 00:50:27.599
of movie for sure.

994
00:50:28.079 --> 00:50:31.360
It did. Now we always like to talk about how

995
00:50:32.440 --> 00:50:36.880
these films from ninety six impacted pop culture, if at all. Jason,

996
00:50:36.920 --> 00:50:39.360
I think now would be a great time to discuss

997
00:50:40.440 --> 00:50:56.559
the James Bond theory.

998
00:50:59.159 --> 00:51:00.920
You and I have been waiting week to talk about this.

999
00:51:01.159 --> 00:51:04.480
We have been exchanging phone calls and text messages about this,

1000
00:51:04.599 --> 00:51:08.719
and so here we are. I love this, the idea

1001
00:51:09.480 --> 00:51:14.039
that John Mason is actually James Bond.

1002
00:51:14.360 --> 00:51:17.239
Let's let's set this up so we we've got people

1003
00:51:17.280 --> 00:51:19.599
listening that have seen The Rock, They've seen plenty of

1004
00:51:19.639 --> 00:51:22.880
James Bond movies and right now they're going, what, how

1005
00:51:23.800 --> 00:51:26.800
how is John Mason James Bond. It's I'm in the

1006
00:51:26.840 --> 00:51:30.159
same name. So you know, let's let's let's get into this, Jason.

1007
00:51:30.239 --> 00:51:32.320
Let's because you We've got a great timeline.

1008
00:51:32.320 --> 00:51:32.480
I know.

1009
00:51:32.480 --> 00:51:35.800
There's been some great videos on YouTube that have addressed this.

1010
00:51:36.159 --> 00:51:39.159
Our friend Van all on Plexico, he talked about this

1011
00:51:39.280 --> 00:51:43.159
on his podcast on Her Majesty's Secret Podcast, which is

1012
00:51:43.199 --> 00:51:43.559
if you're a.

1013
00:51:43.599 --> 00:51:46.079
Bond fan, you got to check that out. It's fantastic.

1014
00:51:46.760 --> 00:51:48.719
We've had Van on the show before we we he

1015
00:51:48.760 --> 00:51:51.480
did Moonraker with us on our film at forty five

1016
00:51:51.760 --> 00:51:53.000
series a couple months ago.

1017
00:51:53.800 --> 00:51:55.559
We Evan died the Bond Girl Draft.

1018
00:51:56.039 --> 00:51:58.239
He did the Bond Girl draft with us, right, yeah, uh,

1019
00:51:59.320 --> 00:52:02.039
and Van, Van's definitely wanted to listen to on this subject.

1020
00:52:02.079 --> 00:52:06.360
But uh, let's talk about how this could how this

1021
00:52:06.559 --> 00:52:09.480
possibly could be, and whether or not you and I

1022
00:52:09.519 --> 00:52:12.000
believe it to be. You know, you you can you know,

1023
00:52:12.400 --> 00:52:13.840
I learned this in school a long time ago. You

1024
00:52:13.840 --> 00:52:16.239
can support a theory, you can refute a theory, but

1025
00:52:16.280 --> 00:52:18.159
you can't prove a theory, but I feel like this

1026
00:52:18.199 --> 00:52:19.880
is one where maybe we're gonna prove it.

1027
00:52:20.000 --> 00:52:23.840
So okay, I'm gonna do my best. So this let's

1028
00:52:23.880 --> 00:52:25.679
just say this right laptop, this is not from me.

1029
00:52:26.199 --> 00:52:30.159
There's a guy on YouTube. His name it's Pentax Productions.

1030
00:52:30.599 --> 00:52:33.360
He came up with this great timeline and you and

1031
00:52:33.400 --> 00:52:35.880
I've been watching it all week. So in The Rock,

1032
00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:41.280
John Spencer clearly sets it up that John Mason worked

1033
00:52:41.280 --> 00:52:45.480
for the British government. He's an SAS agent, He's one

1034
00:52:45.480 --> 00:52:47.280
of the best, he was trained by the best, and

1035
00:52:47.400 --> 00:52:51.039
about thirty years ago he broke out of Alcatraz.

1036
00:52:51.119 --> 00:52:56.480
Okay, y, yes, and Sean Connery's John Mason even says

1037
00:52:56.559 --> 00:52:58.599
as much to Nicholas Cage. You know, he's like, I

1038
00:52:58.639 --> 00:53:00.800
was trained by the best, you know, British intelligence.

1039
00:53:00.840 --> 00:53:04.559
British intelligence sounds an awful lot like a guy we know, right,

1040
00:53:05.079 --> 00:53:08.239
absolutely it does. So we also know this for sure.

1041
00:53:08.599 --> 00:53:13.800
Alcatraz closed on March twenty first, nineteen sixty three. Yes,

1042
00:53:14.199 --> 00:53:18.239
so that means that his incarceration and escape happened before

1043
00:53:18.320 --> 00:53:22.199
nineteen sixty three, before March twenty first, nineteen sixty three.

1044
00:53:22.360 --> 00:53:23.960
Yes, here's the deal.

1045
00:53:24.360 --> 00:53:24.639
James.

1046
00:53:24.679 --> 00:53:27.119
You know, it has been put forth that James Bond

1047
00:53:27.199 --> 00:53:30.199
is a code name, right, and that everybody who holds

1048
00:53:30.239 --> 00:53:33.920
the double O seven slot has the code name of

1049
00:53:34.000 --> 00:53:36.079
James Bond. Well that's not true. We know that's not

1050
00:53:36.079 --> 00:53:38.920
true because when James Bond gets married and on Her

1051
00:53:38.920 --> 00:53:43.519
Majesty's Secret Service his wife's name, she becomes Teresa Bond.

1052
00:53:44.000 --> 00:53:46.840
Ye, right, And let's let's not forget Skyfall. We see

1053
00:53:46.840 --> 00:53:49.760
his parents' graves and their name is Bond.

1054
00:53:50.199 --> 00:53:54.400
So clearly that's his real name, James Bond, Yes, yes,

1055
00:53:54.519 --> 00:53:57.920
And John Mason is the code name. And we've seen

1056
00:53:57.960 --> 00:54:00.679
it through the Bond movies that he does take who names.

1057
00:54:00.840 --> 00:54:04.360
He's done that in many of the Bond films where

1058
00:54:04.360 --> 00:54:08.360
he's given a fake name because he's undercover.

1059
00:54:08.559 --> 00:54:08.719
You know.

1060
00:54:08.760 --> 00:54:12.440
Sometimes he's bold obviously and he just Bond James Bond,

1061
00:54:12.440 --> 00:54:16.119
and sometimes he gives a fake name. So why not

1062
00:54:16.280 --> 00:54:17.760
why not a fake name like John Mason?

1063
00:54:18.119 --> 00:54:20.199
I think in What A View two a Kill, it's

1064
00:54:20.280 --> 00:54:22.559
John James Sinchon Spye.

1065
00:54:22.960 --> 00:54:25.960
Ye Sinchon spite Yep, Roger Moore Sinchin Smith.

1066
00:54:26.519 --> 00:54:29.119
So and then other people have said, well, this doesn't

1067
00:54:29.119 --> 00:54:31.880
really hold water because em wouldn't let him just sit

1068
00:54:31.920 --> 00:54:36.239
in the prison, right, Yeah, if he was arrested, M

1069
00:54:36.239 --> 00:54:38.320
would get him out. Well we see and die another

1070
00:54:38.440 --> 00:54:40.960
day that M did let him rode in prison for

1071
00:54:41.039 --> 00:54:41.599
over a year.

1072
00:54:42.039 --> 00:54:42.519
Yeah.

1073
00:54:42.719 --> 00:54:45.000
And the other reason PRIs pres Yeah.

1074
00:54:44.679 --> 00:54:46.800
That's right. The only reason she got him out is

1075
00:54:46.800 --> 00:54:48.960
because she was concerned he was going to give secrets away.

1076
00:54:49.559 --> 00:54:53.800
He did not chew the sinad capsule that is given

1077
00:54:53.840 --> 00:54:57.119
to all double o's, so they made the exchange because

1078
00:54:57.159 --> 00:54:59.119
she was afraid that he was going to leak secrets.

1079
00:55:00.039 --> 00:55:00.440
That's right.

1080
00:55:00.880 --> 00:55:02.920
So it makes sense that they, you know, if John

1081
00:55:02.960 --> 00:55:09.400
Mason ergo James Bond is captured by US agents and

1082
00:55:09.400 --> 00:55:11.920
what it would have been sixty two. So we're talking

1083
00:55:12.239 --> 00:55:15.559
like what after doctor No, Doctor No. Yeah, it makes

1084
00:55:15.559 --> 00:55:17.440
sense that, you know, they would say, nope, we don't

1085
00:55:17.480 --> 00:55:19.840
know who that is. We don't claim John Mason, we

1086
00:55:19.840 --> 00:55:22.440
don't know. Yeah. So so far the theory, The theory

1087
00:55:22.480 --> 00:55:23.079
holds water.

1088
00:55:22.920 --> 00:55:23.880
As far as I'm concerned.

1089
00:55:23.960 --> 00:55:27.760
Okay, so far nineteen sixty two. You have the movie

1090
00:55:27.920 --> 00:55:30.760
Doctor No. It was clearly set in nineteen sixty two

1091
00:55:31.199 --> 00:55:33.880
because you can still see the British flag under the

1092
00:55:34.199 --> 00:55:38.719
Jamaica capital Jamaica havings independence in nineteen sixty two. So

1093
00:55:38.760 --> 00:55:41.639
we know Doctor No is set in nineteen sixty two. Okay,

1094
00:55:42.480 --> 00:55:46.480
and Doctor No, you know, he blows up Doctor No's lair.

1095
00:55:46.920 --> 00:55:50.960
You have all these guys that are getting arrested. He

1096
00:55:51.079 --> 00:55:54.159
and Honey Ryder are in this boat the US Navy

1097
00:55:54.280 --> 00:55:57.519
has taking them home. Well, he disconnects from the Navy

1098
00:55:57.559 --> 00:55:59.199
because he wants to make out with Honey Ryder.

1099
00:55:59.400 --> 00:56:02.440
Yeah, he kind of that's the the rope slip. And

1100
00:56:03.400 --> 00:56:05.239
you know, I'm not gonna blame you for that. That's

1101
00:56:05.920 --> 00:56:08.239
we'd all do that same thing. Yeah, but yeah, but

1102
00:56:08.239 --> 00:56:11.440
then he clearly gets picked up by other you know,

1103
00:56:11.519 --> 00:56:14.840
Coastguard personnel and they're gonna they're gonna.

1104
00:56:14.639 --> 00:56:17.199
Haul him in, right, they're gonna ris That's right, he's

1105
00:56:17.559 --> 00:56:21.000
you know, they throw him in the Guantana Guantanamo Bay equivalent,

1106
00:56:21.559 --> 00:56:25.400
and then that leads to Alcatraz. Right. Okay, Here's here's

1107
00:56:25.440 --> 00:56:29.960
the interesting thing in Doctor No. Doctor No was shooting

1108
00:56:30.000 --> 00:56:33.719
off Titan rockets. He was taking charge of these rockets

1109
00:56:33.719 --> 00:56:39.039
in Cape Canaveral actual life events. Titan rockets were launched

1110
00:56:39.119 --> 00:56:41.400
from Cape Canaveral in nineteen sixty two which I thought

1111
00:56:41.480 --> 00:56:47.440
was fascinating. Also, we think that the Alcatraz theory that

1112
00:56:47.480 --> 00:56:50.840
he was held in Alcatraz between the events of Doctor

1113
00:56:50.880 --> 00:56:54.239
No and From Russia with Love. Russia with Love we

1114
00:56:54.360 --> 00:56:57.000
know was set in nineteen sixty three. We also know

1115
00:56:57.039 --> 00:57:00.000
that Alcatraz again was closed March twenty first, nineteen sixty three.

1116
00:57:00.840 --> 00:57:05.000
At the beginning of From Russia with Love, Sylvia Trench

1117
00:57:05.119 --> 00:57:08.320
is his love interest. She's like, where did you go

1118
00:57:08.440 --> 00:57:11.440
for six months? You vanished for six months?

1119
00:57:12.079 --> 00:57:14.880
I completely forgot about that. Yeah, okay, okay.

1120
00:57:15.360 --> 00:57:18.400
So and here's the thing. We know that Mason stolled

1121
00:57:18.440 --> 00:57:19.920
the microfilm from the FBI.

1122
00:57:20.280 --> 00:57:22.840
Right, Yeah, that's what LENDSII.

1123
00:57:23.280 --> 00:57:26.360
What's that's that's what landshim in the in the in

1124
00:57:26.400 --> 00:57:27.719
prison right right?

1125
00:57:27.880 --> 00:57:31.119
And so that included in this microfilm, as we know

1126
00:57:31.360 --> 00:57:33.800
because Stanley mentions it at the end of the movie.

1127
00:57:34.039 --> 00:57:38.400
Is who actually assassinated JFK which happens in what sixty

1128
00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:41.840
three sixty three eleven twenty two sixty three. Yeah, so

1129
00:57:41.880 --> 00:57:46.559
we know that he's captured sometime after nineteen sixty three

1130
00:57:46.599 --> 00:57:52.239
and putting back in Alcatraz. Okay, he's recaptured.

1131
00:57:51.760 --> 00:57:52.599
Right, Yep.

1132
00:57:52.719 --> 00:57:55.039
Here's the deal, we know that his daughter was born

1133
00:57:55.599 --> 00:57:57.199
after nineteen seventy two.

1134
00:57:58.199 --> 00:58:01.800
Womack gives us that clue because he he mentions that

1135
00:58:02.159 --> 00:58:02.760
in the rock.

1136
00:58:03.000 --> 00:58:06.760
You know, that's right, his daughter she was born nineteen

1137
00:58:06.800 --> 00:58:10.519
seventy two. She tells us that she and her you know,

1138
00:58:10.559 --> 00:58:13.159
her mom and John Mason hook up after a led

1139
00:58:13.239 --> 00:58:15.760
Zeppelin concert.

1140
00:58:14.840 --> 00:58:20.360
And factually led Zeppelin was on tour and was North America,

1141
00:58:20.480 --> 00:58:25.000
North America at that time, so that's also it all tracks.

1142
00:58:25.000 --> 00:58:28.639
Still, that's right. Now, here's the deal. One more thing

1143
00:58:28.679 --> 00:58:31.000
I'm gonna give you here, so we know that she

1144
00:58:31.119 --> 00:58:37.039
was born sometime nineteen seventy two ish. Yeah, the events

1145
00:58:37.239 --> 00:58:41.480
of Diamonds Are Forever take place in nineteen seventy one.

1146
00:58:42.079 --> 00:58:45.159
When he would have been unincarcerated.

1147
00:58:45.440 --> 00:58:48.440
So basically what we're saying is he does this thing

1148
00:58:48.639 --> 00:58:53.199
with doctor No, he's arrested, incarcerated in Alcatraz, he escapes

1149
00:58:53.639 --> 00:58:57.119
and then goes back to living and as James Bond

1150
00:58:57.719 --> 00:58:58.760
and doing his missions.

1151
00:58:58.840 --> 00:59:02.000
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely, So here's the deal.

1152
00:59:02.440 --> 00:59:06.159
In nineteen seventy one, Diamonds Are Forever takes place. I

1153
00:59:06.199 --> 00:59:10.079
could make the argument that Claire Fulani looks like plenty

1154
00:59:10.119 --> 00:59:12.360
O tool from Diamonds Are Forever.

1155
00:59:13.079 --> 00:59:15.920
Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna help you out with this, Okay.

1156
00:59:16.159 --> 00:59:18.519
I want you to think about this. When Stanley Goodspeed

1157
00:59:19.320 --> 00:59:25.159
introduces himself to John Mason and he says, I'm Stanley Goodspeed,

1158
00:59:25.400 --> 00:59:27.960
and he says, but of course you are else. Yes,

1159
00:59:29.000 --> 00:59:33.159
Sean Connery delivers that exact line to plenty o Tool

1160
00:59:33.400 --> 00:59:35.480
in Diamonds Are Forever when she announces her name.

1161
00:59:36.639 --> 00:59:37.639
It's exactly right.

1162
00:59:38.159 --> 00:59:38.800
I could see him.

1163
00:59:38.840 --> 00:59:39.920
Okay, it's his catchphrase.

1164
00:59:39.960 --> 00:59:41.280
It's you know, I like it.

1165
00:59:41.960 --> 00:59:43.239
This works, man. I'm telling you.

1166
00:59:44.199 --> 00:59:49.440
The Rock is the James Bond film that happens after

1167
00:59:49.519 --> 00:59:50.440
Diamonds Are Forever.

1168
00:59:51.159 --> 00:59:53.440
Okay, listen, I got one more for you. It's gonna

1169
00:59:53.440 --> 00:59:54.159
blow your sax off.

1170
00:59:54.280 --> 00:59:54.519
Okay.

1171
00:59:54.639 --> 00:59:54.960
Okay.

1172
00:59:55.480 --> 00:59:58.960
At the end of Diamonds Are Forever, Bond and Tiffany

1173
00:59:59.039 --> 01:00:04.119
Case get on the USS Canberra. It's a cruise ship, okay,

1174
01:00:04.760 --> 01:00:06.920
and you have the two guys from Diamonds Are Forever,

1175
01:00:06.960 --> 01:00:10.599
mister Wint and mister Kidd. They actually try to assassinate

1176
01:00:10.639 --> 01:00:13.239
Bond and Timany Case on this cruise ship.

1177
01:00:13.960 --> 01:00:14.320
Okay.

1178
01:00:15.199 --> 01:00:18.239
Do you know where this cruise ship sailed out.

1179
01:00:18.039 --> 01:00:20.360
Of my first guest would be Florida.

1180
01:00:20.880 --> 01:00:22.079
It's San Francisco.

1181
01:00:22.559 --> 01:00:25.800
Yo, It's San Francisco. So he Bond is in San

1182
01:00:25.840 --> 01:00:29.320
Francisco at the time that this all lines.

1183
01:00:29.199 --> 01:00:32.199
Up, nineteen seventy one. We can place Bond in San

1184
01:00:32.199 --> 01:00:33.880
Francisco nineteen seventy one.

1185
01:00:34.400 --> 01:00:38.360
I'm gonna say, in a world where the James Bond

1186
01:00:38.440 --> 01:00:42.199
universe it like ends and begins with with Sean Connery.

1187
01:00:42.239 --> 01:00:46.039
This is the final James Bond film to Sean Connery's tenure,

1188
01:00:47.239 --> 01:00:49.679
and it just it makes perfect sense. Everything lines up,

1189
01:00:49.719 --> 01:00:52.639
all the dates line up, and I absolutely love this theory.

1190
01:00:53.239 --> 01:00:55.519
I've got one more for you that I think is

1191
01:00:55.559 --> 01:00:56.400
pretty darn.

1192
01:00:56.239 --> 01:00:58.480
Good, okay, or you got more?

1193
01:00:58.559 --> 01:00:59.440
Okay, I got more?

1194
01:00:59.559 --> 01:01:04.159
Okay. So the events of You Only Live Twice, which

1195
01:01:04.159 --> 01:01:10.599
happened in nineteen sixty seven, okay, Yeah, Bond's death is

1196
01:01:10.639 --> 01:01:13.440
publicized in a newspaper says name of.

1197
01:01:14.960 --> 01:01:15.280
Murdered.

1198
01:01:15.360 --> 01:01:17.800
Yeah, he's killed at the very beginning of You Only

1199
01:01:17.800 --> 01:01:20.639
Live Twice. They fake his death to get Blofeld and

1200
01:01:20.639 --> 01:01:21.920
all these guys off of his trail.

1201
01:01:22.400 --> 01:01:23.320
Yeah, I remember that.

1202
01:01:23.360 --> 01:01:28.800
Well. Francis Hummel At Harris's character from The Rock, Yeah,

1203
01:01:29.239 --> 01:01:31.599
we know he was a in Vietnam.

1204
01:01:32.119 --> 01:01:34.440
He was at the Tet offensive sixty eight.

1205
01:01:35.320 --> 01:01:39.639
They holidayed in Hong Kong in nineteen sixty seven, which

1206
01:01:39.679 --> 01:01:43.000
is where this newspaper article was published in Hong Kong

1207
01:01:43.320 --> 01:01:44.760
in nineteen sixty seven.

1208
01:01:44.920 --> 01:01:49.079
So in theory, Francis Hummel, who was probably a captain

1209
01:01:49.199 --> 01:01:52.639
at that point in Vietnam, potentially could have been reading

1210
01:01:52.639 --> 01:01:56.599
the newspaper that a British commander was murdered.

1211
01:01:56.880 --> 01:02:01.039
And maybe just maybe he didn't feel that he received

1212
01:02:01.079 --> 01:02:04.840
the you know, the did he was not taken care

1213
01:02:04.880 --> 01:02:07.119
of by the government the way that he wanted him

1214
01:02:07.119 --> 01:02:07.800
to hed taken care of.

1215
01:02:07.920 --> 01:02:11.000
Maybe he yeah, maybe he didn't receive the military honors

1216
01:02:11.039 --> 01:02:13.719
that he he was earned, right.

1217
01:02:14.159 --> 01:02:18.559
And maybe that's right, And maybe this newspaper article causes

1218
01:02:19.519 --> 01:02:22.079
Francis Hummel to reevaluate his own government.

1219
01:02:22.400 --> 01:02:24.920
Yeah, one, one one, what like maybe the straw that

1220
01:02:24.960 --> 01:02:26.679
broke the camel's back, so to speak?

1221
01:02:27.280 --> 01:02:28.320
What do you think, man?

1222
01:02:28.639 --> 01:02:31.159
I think we have a James Bond film on our hand,

1223
01:02:31.400 --> 01:02:31.960
is what I think.

1224
01:02:32.039 --> 01:02:32.880
Honestly, he too.

1225
01:02:33.280 --> 01:02:33.719
I love it.

1226
01:02:34.039 --> 01:02:37.920
I absolutely love it, man, I absolutely love it. Well, Jason,

1227
01:02:39.119 --> 01:02:42.880
like rockets launching from Alcatraz, the surely you can't be serious.

1228
01:02:42.880 --> 01:02:46.960
Podcast is launching new episodes every Tuesday on the streaming

1229
01:02:47.000 --> 01:02:48.559
platform of our choice.

1230
01:02:49.360 --> 01:02:52.000
I got to ask, what is next for you and

1231
01:02:52.159 --> 01:02:53.320
d Man.

1232
01:02:53.360 --> 01:02:55.000
We're right in the middle of our Revenge of the

1233
01:02:55.000 --> 01:02:58.159
Nerds versus Animal House. We've got a part one Part two.

1234
01:02:58.480 --> 01:03:00.559
I think we're right in the middle of that. That's

1235
01:03:00.599 --> 01:03:03.360
a lot of fun going back to college with those guys.

1236
01:03:04.079 --> 01:03:06.119
This is this is college? What college in seventy eight

1237
01:03:06.159 --> 01:03:07.079
and college in eighty four?

1238
01:03:07.719 --> 01:03:08.440
Yeah?

1239
01:03:08.519 --> 01:03:10.840
Yeah, I love well the first episode, I you know,

1240
01:03:11.320 --> 01:03:13.880
I that was. That was this past Tuesday. Absolutely loved

1241
01:03:14.559 --> 01:03:16.920
loved it. I can't wait for part two.

1242
01:03:17.480 --> 01:03:18.559
Thank you guys.

1243
01:03:18.800 --> 01:03:20.559
You guys are not my socks off every every Tuesday.

1244
01:03:20.559 --> 01:03:21.320
I love I love it.

1245
01:03:21.480 --> 01:03:22.920
Yeah, thank you very much.

1246
01:03:22.960 --> 01:03:24.960
I'm looking forward to your final judgment too, Like I

1247
01:03:25.199 --> 01:03:27.079
think I know where you're gonna land, but you know

1248
01:03:27.079 --> 01:03:30.440
I won't. I won't say okay, very good, I'll wait.

1249
01:03:32.039 --> 01:03:36.000
Sometime after that. You and I and Van Allen Plexico

1250
01:03:36.199 --> 01:03:39.559
and David Wright and Pat Cannagallo are gonna get together

1251
01:03:39.679 --> 01:03:44.079
and we're going to have a bond theme song draft. Yes,

1252
01:03:44.159 --> 01:03:46.159
it's gonna be fun. That may Pier a couple of

1253
01:03:46.159 --> 01:03:48.599
months down the road, but looking forward to that Bond.

1254
01:03:48.800 --> 01:03:51.320
I'm I, for one, am looking forward to that. I

1255
01:03:51.360 --> 01:03:55.000
know last year we had a great time talking. It

1256
01:03:55.079 --> 01:03:57.920
was our first draft and we drafted the Bond. The

1257
01:03:58.000 --> 01:04:02.360
Bond girls. I loved. I loved the Bancher with those guys.

1258
01:04:02.360 --> 01:04:04.760
I'm looking forward to this one. It's gonna be a blast, man,

1259
01:04:05.039 --> 01:04:07.559
it is. It's gonna be a lot of fun. Well, listeners,

1260
01:04:08.079 --> 01:04:10.199
we hope you've had a lot of fun. We want

1261
01:04:10.199 --> 01:04:12.880
to thank you as always for listening to today's nineteen

1262
01:04:12.960 --> 01:04:16.320
ninety six episode. We are halfway through this limited series

1263
01:04:16.360 --> 01:04:18.800
and if we haven't yet covered your favorite movie from

1264
01:04:18.840 --> 01:04:21.719
nineteen ninety six, there's still time to hit us up

1265
01:04:21.760 --> 01:04:24.519
on social media or email us to share your requests.

1266
01:04:25.159 --> 01:04:28.000
You can do that at www dot a film by

1267
01:04:28.079 --> 01:04:31.760
podcast dot com. You'll find us on Facebook, Instagram, and

1268
01:04:32.199 --> 01:04:35.679
X Jason and I got a bounce. But next time

1269
01:04:35.760 --> 01:04:40.639
on nineteen ninety six, we'll discuss Tom Cruise, failed sports Agents,

1270
01:04:41.199 --> 01:04:45.039
and the Kwan when we kick off football season with

1271
01:04:45.159 --> 01:04:47.280
Jerry McGuire. Peace Out,