34. Christopher Nolan - The Odyssey Conversation

0:00 As of this week, the box office has surpassed $ 7 billion. Lewis, it is safe to say the theater-going experience is back in a big way this year. Yes. Yeah. Let me give you the top five films of the year so far. I'm thinking you've probably seen most, if not all of them, but we're going to find out real quick. So number five, the Super Mario Galaxy movie has made $ 1. 01 billion. I've not seen that one.

0:41 I like the first one. I haven't seen this one, but I love the first one, so I definitely got to– I'm going to check this one out. Number four, the first biopic ever to do this, and definitely a big win for Lionsgate. I'm talking about Michael, the Michael Jackson– Yes. $ 1. 02 billion. And I love that movie. That movie was fantastic. It was so good. Yeah, they are in pre-production now on a sequel, and I am excited. I cannot wait for that. Number three, Toy Story 5 has made $ 1. 12 billion. Did you see that one?

1:27 I did not. We were happy with Toy Story 3. Thank you. As the period to the end of that sentence. And we were not happy with Toy Story 4. It was fine, but. No, it wasn't fine. You're being too kind. I am. I am. But yeah, we had no interest in seeing Toy Story 5. So we might watch it on Disney Plus at some point. No interest for me. I don't plan to watch it. It ended with... 4 was terrible. 3 is where... In my head, it ends. Yeah. All right. So the number two most successful movie so far at the box office, The Odyssey at $ 1. 37 billion.

2:11 And I know you saw this in the theater. We're going to talk about that. I did. Yeah, we're definitely going to be talking a little bit about that one. And then the number one movie of the year so far, Not really a surprise as far as I'm concerned. Spider-Man Brand New Day has now hit $ 2. 08 billion. And I think it's like the number four or number three all-time movie in cinema history. I think it's got to get past Avatar.

2:52 I was going to say, still Avatar. Yeah, well, I mean, listen, let's just be honest. Cameron will just keep re-releasing Avatar every time something gets closed. So, you know, listeners, be ready for the Avatar anniversary theatrical experience, because Spidey's knocking on that door. Oh, and it was so good. Shout out to Tom Holland and Zendaya having the top two grossing films. How about, yeah, how about Tom Holland, Zendaya... My buddy, Jon Bernthal. Yes! I forgot about him. Yeah, I mean, and let's not forget Anne Hathaway. They're having, this group of actors and actresses, having one hell of a summer.

3:37 Yes. We talked about The Odyssey being the number two movie so far. Amber, I can't think of anyone better to have this conversation with. So let's talk about Christopher Nolan. Yes. Because I've got some questions for you about his filmography, including... his 2026 summer blockbuster, The Odyssey. The Odyssey Hey everybody, I'm Jeff Johnson.

4:24 I'm Amber Lewis. And this is a Film By podcast. The voice of reason is back. I've been off for a long time. You took a couple weeks off. Hopefully you've been having a nice summer vacation. Yes. We've missed you. And what better time for you to make your return. We're about to kick off a month of movies that are concerning mystery, Magic and Christopher Nolan. And that all starts next Monday. But I think you're the biggest Nolan fan I know. I am a huge, huge Nolan fan.

5:05 Yeah. I think anytime we've even remotely discussed Nolan. Nolan and Guillermo del Toro. Yeah. They're the two. Yeah. I think anytime we've talked about Nolan, it's been either. Uh, anger from you. Cause like, I can't believe you did that episode without me, you know, and we've only, we've only done one, we've only done one Christopher Nolan movie and you weren't even, I don't think you were, you weren't with, you weren't on the show yet. So I mean, I can't be at fault. I'm still bitter about it. You're still bitter, but, but then like, I know we've, we've got, we've got two Christopher Nolan movies coming up next, uh, this, this, you know, this month. And, uh, you're like, you better not. Right. So I know we're going to talk about one of your favorites here in a couple of weeks, but, I kind of told you, listen, we had a little opening, and I thought, why give the listeners a rerun when we could just do something fresh? You know, a fun episode, an opinion-based episode. We'll talk Christopher Nolan. You were like, absolutely.

6:07 I told you that the outline was going to be a little different, right? And yet. Not doing our normal form, and yet. And yet. I'm looking here. What was it that you said? You said, just read over the outline, and I really like it, although you and your five-word synopsis can kick rocks. Famously, you are not a fan of the five-word synopsis, but our listeners are loving it, so it stays. Here's the challenge, though, Amber. How do you do a five-word synopsis when we're just talking about Christopher Nolan? So I told you, Five words. Let's describe Christopher Nolan, whether it's his style, his impact on cinema, the man himself. Amber Lewis, tell me about Christopher Nolan using exactly five words.

7:02 Mind-bending, non-linear, British visionary. I don't know what you and Angela Norris are up to lately. If there's... You guys are using a lot of my five-word synopsis stuff without knowing it. You said mind-bending. I like that. You do. You got it there. So here's mine. Okay. Oscar-worthy mind-bending stories. Fair. Yeah. Well, I mean, we're kind of– we're in sync here. We're on the same page. I just think anytime he does a movie, your mind will be blown. You're going to walk away knowing that you've got a conversation with him. to have with whether, whether you saw it with a group of people, whether you saw it with, with some, whether you saw it by yourself and you're, you're going to go hang out with your buddies and discuss the movie. You're always, if it's a Christopher Nolan movie, there's always something to debate, right?

7:58 I don't think he's done a movie yet where you, you, there wasn't something that we were like, Oh my God, that scene or, okay, let's talk about what this meant. It's, it's every time with this guy. And I think that's what makes him such a brilliant filmmaker. Yeah. I think, you know, for a long time, it, we haven't had a filmmaker that is, you have to go to the movies. You have to go to the theater. It's an appointment kind of thing. And his are just that thing. Like you want to be first in line, you know, and it, he definitely, uh, Liam and I always remind ourselves of the three block rule. You must go at least three blocks from the theater before you can begin talking about it because you don't want to ruin it for anybody else. You don't want to like be talking about it as you're walking out or at dinner next door or something like that. You want to give people space so that they can see it in their own time and place and, you know, experience it and come up with their own theories.

9:05 So I love the three block rule. We got that from Lin-Manuel Miranda. He said that that is a hard and fast rule when he goes to Broadway shows because you never know who's in the audience. The person's mom could be there, you know, and you're walking out like trashing it saying that's the worst play I ever saw. So you wait three blocks and then you start talking. Wow. Okay. I like that. I'm going to put that into practice because I just think it's respectful. Yeah. You don't want to be the guy that's like, you know. Oh, Tenet, everything was backwards. Okay, so if I could put a spotlight on you, you famously, you're not a fan of IMAX, if I remember correctly. You're not loving it. But he shoots the Odyssey in full. IMAX.

10:01 Well, I hadn't, I don't feel like it's justified in all the times that it's in use. Okay. Um, so I'm not going to spend money to go see Spider-Man and IMAX. Like that's to me, that's a waste of money. Um, we as a group went to see Superman in IMAX, and that was definitely worth it. But what I failed to take into consideration before going to see The Odyssey was you were driving, so I took motion sickness medicine, so I wouldn't get car sick, which then covered me for the movie. I drove to see The Odyssey, so I had not taken motion sickness medicine, and about halfway through, I thought I was going to die. Like, I got so sick. And I thought I was going to have to leave the theater because it's just, you're so surrounded. And we had like the perfect seats right in the middle. So that's another issue as well as like, is it really worth the money? And am I going to get nauseated in the middle of it?

11:01 Okay. So I'm glad to discover that you did watch it in the IMAX format. Oh, yeah. I went and saw it. And my first thought was, Amber Lewis is going to absolutely love this film. And then I think later that day you were posting about you're on your way to see it. And then my next thought was, oh, she's not going to see this in IMAX. And that's a bummer because she's going to miss so much. So I'm happy. Because he deliberately shot it that way. He wants you to see it that way. So there was no way I was going to miss out. And I think. For the experience, it was definitely worth it. I'm going to be fine watching it on my television from now on.

11:48 I saw it. I experienced it. It was great. That's the key right there. You experienced it. Yes. And now, come November, it's dropping on, I think it's going to be hitting Blu-ray 4K in November. But you can enjoy it. Yes. On the, on a smaller screen because you've experienced it on the biggest screen possible. Yes, absolutely. And it was an experience. Like I felt like I time traveled. It was amazing. Oh, it is. Well, I'll tell you what, let's, let's take a quick break because I want to talk a little bit about the Odyssey and I'm going to, I think I'm going to pull the, the educator, the teacher out of you. Cause I got some questions, not, you know, Hopefully I don't put you on the spot too much.

12:38 Oh, no. I have a lot to say about it. Okay. Okay. Well, she's got a lot to say about The Odyssey. So we'll be back right after this. Welcome back. We are talking about Christopher Nolan, The Odyssey, still playing in theaters, still crushing at the box office, Amber Lewis. there's been a lot of debate online though. I mean, first off, everyone loves the movie. I don't, I haven't, I don't know about you. I have not seen a single person give negative feedback about it, but there is something that has started emerging and that's, it's this, it's this, uh, Homer versus Nolan. Who's, who's Odyssey are we, are we seeing on the big screen? So I think it's fair to say that Nolan has taken liberties with the source work, uh, My question to you, does his interpretation work for a modern audience?

13:37 Yeah, it really does. I personally missed the representation of the gods and the actual magic and things like that. There was a lot that he changed and left out that I was like, well, here's the thing. But you don't go to see this movie, or at least in my opinion, you don't go to see this movie to see a you know historian's version of the odyssey you go to see this movie to see christopher nolan's adaptation and there are so many ways you can tell this story and he you know always takes a realistic approach when he's adapting things and I think it really, I was very moved during the movie and very aware of he is speaking to the world we live in right now.

14:33 And I thought that was very, very powerful. You mentioned that he always takes a very realistic approach to his projects. I remember when I first read about the music and what I'm talking about is Ludwig Gortzen's just incredible score. It's one of my favorite film scores i've heard in in years now before i've seen the movie before i've heard the music i i read that he has been he is strict no one is strictly telling this composer you can't you cannot use any instruments that did not exist in this time frame and i just and i remember reading that thinking okay look i love i love your work man but let's be a little less pretentious like come on right What do you expect the guy to do and what he did with the drums and the chance and the, the, the woodwind or, you know, the piccolo liar, just gorgeous music. And then I remember like halfway through the movie when the first time I'm watching it, I'm thinking, man, I'm so glad that Nolan is such a stickler for the details.

15:46 Well, and this blew my mind as well, because Ludwig Gorson, lest we forget, did the music for the best movie of 2025, Sinners, and they could not be more different. Could not be more avant-garde. You play those scores back-to-back. There's no way you're not even thinking that it could possibly be the same composer. Yeah. And I love it. I mean, I loved his work in Sinners. I love what he's doing with The Odyssey. Talking about this whole concept of Homer versus Nolan, though, for you, what is one thing that was omitted that probably should have been explored in Nolan's adaptation?

16:33 The section with Polyphemus. It is not as effective as it could have been because I was so excited to see how is he going to render a giant cyclops using practical effects because he famously... You know, uses as little CGI as possible. Yeah. And so I'm like, how is he going to do this? I heard Bill Irwin was playing Polyphemus and I love him. So I was so excited to see what was going to happen. And, you know, they turned Polyphemus into like more like an animal. Yeah. And less like a sentient being.

17:13 And so and they eliminated all interaction between Odysseus and Polyphemus, which then you lose the version of Odysseus as the trickster. You, you know, lose the whole analysis of what makes you a monster versus what makes you a man, because, you know, he, they stole his sheep, but they were going to pay him back in wine. But, you know, there's a whole interaction there and who's really betraying Xenia. And then you eliminate Poseidon. In addition to that, And that takes away the curse. And so you don't really get that that's why they were sailing around for 20 years. And it took them that long to get home. And then you reduce Athena's role. So you miss out on the fact that it's her intervention that gets the gods to let him go home. And so all of these things just kind of have a domino effect and it lessens the character of Odysseus in my mind. Like the opening line is, let me tell you the story of a complicated man.

18:23 And I, I was so disappointed to have that piece of him as an unreliable narrator taken out. All the more reason you gotta, if it's been, it's been a while since high school or you, you, or maybe you never read it. Gotta pick up a copy of, of, uh, Oh my gosh. And listeners like do yourself a favor, go on audible and get Stephen Fry's, Adaptation. He reads it, he adapted it and it's, it makes it very user-friendly and it's a great way to experience the story. Well, I'm going to agree with you. Um, I think the, the scene with Polyphemus is it's great in the, in the aspect, in the regard that it's probably the closest we've ever had Christopher Nolan do horror.

19:17 Yes. Because it is terrifying. in that moment and I mean I like it you know so again my original question like it does it work for the modern audience I think it does because this movie is three plus hours and to give us you know like you and I we want that we know that from the source material but I think I think it works like you know I would have wanted more but I'm good with what we got I guess but I. Also like I would have been happy with two movies because he was he put so much of the Iliad in in yeah yeah that like just make two movies make the Iliad and the Odyssey. We got it we got a Batman trilogy we can have it all yeah have an Odyssey true okay yeah well let's talk about Odysseus how does Nolan's Odysseus compare to with some of the other male leads in his film.

20:10 So like I'm, I'm talking, you know, because he always has these complicated characters. They're, they're, they're doing the right thing, but they're also heavily flawed. So when you think about someone like, like Cooper from Interstellar, Cobb from Inception, you know, Bruce Wayne, even, even Robert Oppenheimer is, you know, he, I mean, that's a, it's a biopic in essence, but they all have like these, these, these same capabilities. They're complicated men who are heavily flawed, but they're trying to do the right thing. How do you feel Matt Damon's Odysseus ranks among these other guys?

20:52 Well, just from a simplistic standpoint, I mean, Cooper and Cobb are just trying to get home. So they're all just trying to get home at this point. But I really feel like, and this goes to my previous point, He should have been more like Borden from The Prestige. Ooh. I guess we can talk about that in a couple weeks, right? Yeah. I know you're not missing The Prestige when we talk about that one. But I feel like if Odysseus had more of that kind of personality, those personality traits, he would have been more interesting to me. But it's okay to have him be just a straight-up hero, too.

21:35 Someone who is always interesting, the very lovely Anne Hathaway. Again, having one hell of a summer, she is in The Odyssey. She is in The End of Oak Street. And listeners, if you have not seen The End of Oak Street, it's the sleeper hit of the summer movie-going season. It's awesome. It's the Jurassic Park movie we never got and should have. And Amber, I'm guessing you haven't seen it yet, I. Have not, but I heard that Stephen King said that it was like a banger. It is. Telling people to go see it. So I'm like, well, my goodness.

22:16 Can I give you a really good reason? That'll be like, okay, I'm going to go see it. Sure. You know, next weekend. Anne Hathaway. I know the trailer kind of promotes her as like, she's the mom. And they're running, you know, they're caught up in this whole thing. you know, weird situation with dinosaurs and what's going on. Anne Hathaway is the alpha of the movie. She is more Sarah Connor than Susie Homemaker. So I absolutely loved Anne Hathaway in The End of Oak Street. But more on that another time. Anne Hathaway playing Penelope. My first question, is this an Oscar-worthy performance?

23:00 A thousand times more so than Les Mis. Okay, yeah. Not going to debate you on that, yeah. It's so early that I think it's hard to debate these Oscar questions, but I thought she was at her best. Yeah. It was like the best performance I felt like I'd ever seen. Hard to debate. From her. I'm going to make you debate it anyways. Okay, so I want to briefly... go off course here and talk about Obsession because Indy Navarrete, who plays Nikki in Obsession, it is the, without doubt, it is the best performance I've seen from a female or male performer. I don't know if the Oscars are going to do the right thing and give her the nomination and the win. It's what they should do. Your boy, Christopher Nolan, watched this movie.

24:00 And I remember reading this and laughing about it. He loved it. And talking about Indy Navarrete's performance, he said, listen, I think Anne needs to just go ahead and back out of the best actress category and go after the supporting actress. So when Nolan says something like that, do you agree with it? Wait, well, I guess I should ask. Not that it matters, but have you seen Obsession yet? I have not. That's not really. You're not known for loving that kind of horror. Yeah. Liam's really interested to watch it, and I'm like, okay, we'll get to it eventually. You'll have a lot to say because it's not what you think. When you see the movie, you're going to be like, wait a minute.

24:46 It does look very intriguing, I must say. Is it better to go against stronger performances in Best Actress or go head-to-head with... possibly with Samantha, Samantha Morton for best supporting, because you can't deny she is just absolutely sensational in this movie. Yeah. I, I don't, I don't know because I am, was so blown away by John Leguizamo. Yeah. And I had wanted, I still want James Ortiz from project Hail Mary to get a supporting actor nomination. Yeah. But I really want John Leguizamo to win because he was so amazing. So I haven't really thought beyond that for awards for people. But I feel like Samantha Morton was showier, but I just liked what Anne Hathaway did better.

25:41 Okay. Well, you talk about Leguizamo. He's got to get nominated. And to that point, I'm already wondering, how many Academy Awards– will the Odyssey get nominated for? I mean, it's going to be a lot because. What's your thought? Is it going to break the record? You think? No, but I mean, they're going to get like all the technical awards. Yeah. Um, you know, the production design, the costuming, the music, like all of those technical awards, they're going to get, uh, nominated for. And I think, or, you know, it's going to be between this movie and project. He'll marry really.

26:21 Which, which, which Oscar will, will this one win? You said the technical awards, but as like, as far as like the, the bigger ones, not to take away from the technical awards, but like best picture, best actor, best director, best actors, best actors. I don't think Matt Damon is going to get the best actor that he deserves. Um, I think he's going to end up being like Harrison Ford and years from now we'll be like, he never won. What? I just feel like that's in the cards for him. Unfortunately, because I think he is amazing in this movie. I think it's going to win. Of course it's going to win Best Adapted Screenplay. It has to. But I'm going to show my hand. I still say Project Hail Mary is the best movie of the year so far. So I really want it to win Best Picture. Okay. And Best Director.

27:14 So I don't know. All right. I'm going to call it now. And I'm going to say The Odyssey. Minimum six Academy Awards. That's fair. Yeah. I think best adapted screenplay is a lock. I'm going to go best score for our boy Ludwig. I think Morton gets it. I think we might see if Hathaway goes best supporting actress and then they split the votes, I think Morton still edges her out. Yeah. But I think John Leguizamo has definitely got it right. Leguizamo, definitely. And I'm going to go Best Picture and Best Director. That's the six I'm saying definitely is going to get it.

28:00 We'll have to do a pool this year. Okay, we'll get the pool going. Let's take another break, and then when we come back, Amber Lewis has got some scenes to tell us about. All right, so... I'm going to have a little fun here because we're going to talk– we're talking about the Odyssey. So we'll continue to talk about the Odyssey. But I'm going to throw you a curveball afterward. Oh, okay. So let's talk about the scene in the Odyssey that you feel we have to discuss. What do you have for us? Torture for me. It was– Tough for you, right? It was among three. Okay. There were three that I was definitely like.

28:43 Give us the nominees. What are the three? Okay. So– The first thing I thought of was where they fight the Langstragonians. Because I was like vibrating in my seat during that sequence. Like that just, I was like completely in it. And I loved it. Okay. So there was that one. The scene, and I feel like maybe I am putting two scenes together that don't go together, but There's definitely a scene with Anne Hathaway and Robert Pattinson where she's weaving the veil and he is talking to her. And then I think it segues into her talking to Tom Holland's Telemachus out on the balcony afterward. Yeah. But I'm not sure about that part.

29:34 But anyway, that whole sequence with Anne Hathaway, um but particularly that that dialogue with robert pattinson i loved okay i thought that was her most powerful work in the movie but the one i finally landed on because it's the one that like sticks with me is the siege of. Troy you could argue it's a pivotal moment Walk us through this one. Walk us through the Siege of Troy. I think it's really the cinematography and the way that you're following Odysseus through this battle from where they open the gates. You know, they sneak out of the horse, of course, and they open the gates. And from that moment on, like you're in it and you're really kind of following Odysseus' point of view as this town is sacked and it's just overwhelming and there's soldiers coming at you from every direction and fire and people screaming you know it's a lot of it was one of the ways that I thought it did show the deception of Odysseus because a lot of times we praise that sneak attack but it really is a brutal moment.

30:54 I think again you mentioned how no one We'll always go for the realistic, no matter what the project. War is not– I know we romanticize it with certain movies and certain books, but it's– in the heat of that moment, it's barbaric. It's horrible, right? And it doesn't matter which side you're fighting for. You're doing horrible things. Yes. Otherwise, you don't win. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Amber, let me have a little fun with you here. And I think I could only ask this of a Christopher Nolan fan of your caliber. So let's talk one more scene. How about give me any scene from a Christopher Nolan movie. Before you do, I want to know why you chose it. Oh, you're ready to go.

31:48 It's my absolute favorite scene of any of his movies ever. It's the docking scene from Interstellar. That's a nail-biter. Yeah, I mean, from the moment that they are chasing Dr. Man, you know, back to the ship, to the explosion, to when they finally dock, everything about it is amazing. Like, the little details, like Cobb, or Cobb, Cooper leans into the spin because he's a pilot. And so does not pass out and is able to control the ship and successfully dock that little detail.

32:36 Small detail. The music and the way it's all edited together. And I just, that is my favorite thing that he has ever done in anything. We'll take one last break. We'll come back, we'll wrap up, because we've got more Christopher Nolan to talk about with Amber before we go. Okay, Amber, all the times we've talked, Christopher Nolan, and you've always had plenty of great things to say, no matter what the movie is, but I don't think I've ever asked you, so I'm going to ask you right now. What are your top three films directed by Christopher Nolan? Okay. Can you, can you, is this something you could do?

33:20 Well, I can tell you why I chose all three. Okay. Okay. Collectively, what you chose. Collectively, I think he is at his best when he is filming his own stories and not adapting something else. So to that end, my three favorites are Inception, Interstellar and Tenet. When you get, when you look at his filmography as a whole, It sounds like you're leaning more towards his sci-fi work as opposed to some of his other stuff. Yeah. There's no wrong answer here, by the way. Right. I mean, and it's like stages of love. I love them all. The things that are more just straight drama are sometimes a little much. And it's a little like memento is heavy to carry. Like you carry it with you for a while.

34:15 I've been carrying it for a while. Next week, we'll be discussing it. So it's a heavy one to carry. Yeah. If you had to, because I asked you for your top three, could you cut two of those away and give me just the Amber Lewis go-to pick? Someone says, I've never seen a Christopher Nolan movie. Where do I start? My first love was Inception. I had seen his other movies before. But the reaction I had to Inception was it just knocked my socks off. And I've seen that more than any of the others. Real quick. I just adore it.

34:55 Real quick. Can we get your interpretation of the ending? Does the top, does it fall or does it keep spinning? Well, I actually know the answer to this, but yes. It falls. Okay. You know the answer to this. It's in reality. Okay all right all right uh. Is the odyssey christopher nolan's masterpiece. No okay then what is inception is inception is his is still the the best most amazing thing he's ever done. Okay well on that note christopher nolan is 56 years old have we seen his best work at this point or is the best yet to come.

35:41 Bullshit question it's impossible to answer. Impossible because you don't know well. And that's the thing is none of us can know it's not the end yet you know i i think of martin scorsese who is still directing some of his best work and he's 83. Ridley scott is still directing incredible stuff so so i i think no one's a young pup yeah every. Time i think that he can't come up with another original idea. He can't push the boundaries of, of what filmmakers can do and what these artisans can do. You know, he, he comes up with something else. So I just sit back and, and delightedly wait for whatever he's going to do next. Cause I'm going to be there opening weekend, regardless.

36:32 One last question. Cause he's talked about, both of these franchises. So, and you're a big fan of both of these franchises. Oh, no. Amber, if you had sway, if you were like Zendaya out on that beach and Christopher Nolan's out there with you and, you know, you are the voice of reason and Nolan must choose between doing a Marvel film or a Bond film, what are you going to have him do bond. It's gotta be bond, right? It's gotta be bond. Gotta be bond.

37:13 I don't want to see him. He already did like one of the best superhero films ever made. Like the dark night is, it would be the best except Superman's there. So, you know, yeah. Dark night, a top three of all time. Yeah. Yeah. Dark night, 89 Batman and Superman are like, that's it for me. That's a damn good top three. Yeah. So I don't, I don't want to see him do another dip into that well again, but, but I think a bond film would be intriguing. I've heard that he wants to do a horror movie and I don't know how I feel about that because like I said, his dramas can sometimes be too heavy and I, I don't know. I think I might be scarred for life.

38:01 If he, if he does a horror film, it will be the most cerebral horror. And terrifying horror film we may ever get. Yeah, I'm thinking. Something like in the Exorcist Rosemary's Baby kind of. Oh, gosh, yeah. That direction, not like. That'd be the flavor because it's got to be realistic. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Amber, I want to thank you because I know I know I kind of just called you up and said, hey, let's talk about Christopher Nolan. How about tomorrow? And you were just like, I'm in. Let's do this. Right? How many hours do you got? Yeah. I appreciate you taking a moment to have a fun chat about one of your favorite directors, one of my favorite directors for the listeners. We've got a big month ahead filled with just some amazing movies. And we're going to be talking about a couple by Christopher Nolan. So to that end, next time on A Film By, we'll be talking– about Memento from 2001. So if you've seen it, how would you summarize it in exactly five words? Go to a film by podcast.com to give us your answer. You can email us. If we use your five word synopsis on the show, we'll shout you out on the episode. We'll give you some, a film by swag and Amber will sigh, uh, give a sigh of relief because she won't have to do one. Um, yeah. As always, please join us on social media. You'll find us on Instagram, YouTube, Facebook X.

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