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afraid I can't do that.

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Broadcasting from a secret underground location somewhere in morecisely, this

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is the docu based seventy seven podcast Make Yourself Comfortable.

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The show is about to start. Hello and welcome to

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the docu based seventy seven podcast Takeover of the Film

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by a Podcast. I am your host and mischievous leader

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of the Revolution, Dayton Johnson. Jeff left the studio unlocked,

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so I made myself comfortable and planted my ass in

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his seat, and I thought I'd be fine to drop

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something on his stream. Hopefully it's something he doesn't like.

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I even snagged one of his regulars. The name's Wayne,

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call sign little drummer Boy. If you get the reference,

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drop a comment. He knows his way around a film score,

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Doctor Who, and Star Trek. He is one third of

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the series Phaser Set to stun Wayne white Edd, Welcome

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to the not so hostile takeover.

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How you doing?

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I'm doing great. Thank you for having me. This is

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definitely something different for me.

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And different is usually good. I hope it's good this evening.

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So after some discussion, we did go back and forth

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trying to figure out what film I wanted to talk

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to or talk about, and I threw out this one

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and your reaction was like, cool, I haven't seen that.

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So I'm hoping the discussion goes well. But we are

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discussing the two thousand and four key coming of age

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comedy Napoleon Dynamite. What are you going to do to day?

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Napoleon?

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Whatever I feel like I want to do with God?

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How at school? Now?

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Worst day of my life? What do you think?

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Napoleon?

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This is Fedro?

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What kind of bike do you have? It's you ever

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taken off many sweet jumps?

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What are you dying?

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What's a like?

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It's pretty much my favorite animal? Everybody at school it's

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a freaking idiot because of you.

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You gotta clean my mair right now.

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Get off of me, Bodagh wi per Petro both the pedro.

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But why are you so swimt I've been practicing some

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dass moves.

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Lafonda is the best thing that has ever happened to you, Napoleon.

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I'm sure there's a babe out there for you too.

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So oh yeah, he a fat large Come get some dinner.

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All right.

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Let's hit some opening thoughts on this one include when

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and where you saw it for the first time. I

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know that answer, and any general opinions so far so Wayne,

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Uh opening thoughts, Well.

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You know, I'm always been a big fan of Ridley Scott.

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You know, I always like all of his films, but

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I found this one rather boring. Uh, Joaquin feel oh

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am I talking about the wrong Napoleon? Oh, cap fools,

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you know what.

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I haven't seen that Napoleon. I'll take your word for it.

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No, I have really knew nothing about this film other

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than the fact that, like I said, do you it exists,

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because it's just it's of a genre that I usually

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kind of ignore. I watch every now and then, I

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watch a few of you know, a few of them,

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but usually it's just not something that I'm normally into.

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So not saying that I won't like it, but I

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thought when you told me where you wanted to try

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this film, I thought, why not you know, I maybe

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I'll like it. Maybe, who knows. I'm very keen on

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watching it because I mean it's it's everywhere. Everyone talks

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about it everyone here. Yeah, you hear about it everywhere,

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so you know, why not.

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Yeah, I mean you can find the vote for Pedro

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t shirts. You know, pretty much every T shirt place

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has some of those. And ye and even for a

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while after the film came out, they used to have

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a festival where they would have tater tot eating contest,

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lookalike contests and all kind of things in Preston, Idaho.

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So it definitely had an impact for sure. So for me,

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I remember hearing the buzz when it came out, like

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it was kind of a surprise that it did so well,

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you know, at the box office, and you know, you

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kind of hear, oh, it's an offbeat comedy. It's it's silly,

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it's it's.

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Weird, and so I was a little curious.

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I know, I didn't see in the theater because it

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wasn't one of those you know you said, I got

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to see that in the theater. So I know, we

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did run it from our local blockbuster shortly after hit video,

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and initially I did find some bits of it funny, actually,

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a Napoleon's exaggerated vocal reactions, you know.

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Gosh, and what do you do? You know, and just

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things like that.

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It was like, I knew a guy that spoke like that,

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So that kind of resonated with me.

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I still to this.

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Day laugh out loud at that big swig of gatory

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he takes. I just find it funny because I knew

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people that did that too. I didn't love the film

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the first watch. I remember thinking, Okay, yeah, it's fine,

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you know, but it absolutely grew on me with each viewing.

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I just knew people that were like Napoleon, that would,

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you know, tell you stories that they went hunted wolverines

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over the summer, or you know, they had a fixation

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on fantastical creatures like the Lotanus monster and things like that,

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and they were just so out of touch with everybody else.

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And Napoleon, you.

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Know, I knew guys like that. In Hell.

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I was friends with Napoleon, guys like but Napoleon and

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Pedro and deb you know, those were you know, I

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was just outside the norm, and so I kind of

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fit in with those people.

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And this one.

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They did a great job with the school atmosphere, you know,

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with the bullies and whatever.

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I'm like.

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You know, I remember many days getting pushed into my locker,

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you know, just being like, you know, give me your

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thoughts and stuff like that. So uh, and I will

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never listen to the song can't heat the same way

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again after seeing this film and not. And that's not

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a bad thing, because that's a absolutely fantastic memory to have.

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So those are my opening thoughts. Uh, anything else before

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we move on.

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Well, it's it's definitely made me reevaluate, uh, my definition

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for films and and the way I look at films. Uh,

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you know. I when we when I first started doing

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podcasts back for the Phaser such as Stun, I made

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a rather lengthy rant on one of our episodes about

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how I never hate anything, you know, I always find

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I always find I always find something in everything that

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that I like, be it you know, cast members that

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I know from from other things, or or the musical score, cinematography, directing, whatever,

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you know, I always find something. I had a hard

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time doing that with this film. I'll have to admit,

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I already in all years of film and television viewing

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that that I've had, I think before I've said that before,

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maybe once before that I actually hated a film, and

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that would be a Blair witch project.

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Oh love. Oh no.

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My co hosts from Phaser, such as Stun David Burns,

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he would definitely know my opinion of that one, because

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i've over the years. You know, I actually met the

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director and was and but was warned not to say

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anything bad to him. So it was it was a

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nice little conversation, but we didn't talk about Blair Watch.

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But but you know, even with with Blair, which even

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though I didn't like that film, I understood where it

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was coming from, you know, what what the filmmakers were

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trying to do, and I understood by others would like

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this film that film. But I can't even figure that

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out on this film. I mean, I watched it twice.

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Now you've seen it a lot more than I have.

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I've only watched it twice. You know, I watched it

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once the first time. But I had so much trouble

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staying awake during that one.

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That's fair happened to me with a lot of films,

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so I understand that completely.

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Yeah, So I had to keep restarting it. So I

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decided a couple of days later. I'm going to just

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sit down when I'm fully awake and refreshed and watch

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it again. And my opinion really didn't change between the

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two viewing. Yeah, maybe maybe you're like it. Maybe it'll

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it will grow on me after a few more viewings,

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but my initial opinion is not too high.

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All right, Well with that, let's move on fact. It's

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time for that's the fact, Jack News. Some film facts

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we have. Napoleon Dynamite premiered at Sundance January seventeenth, two

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thousand and four, and went wider release in June eleventh,

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directed by Jared Hess. You might know his other film,

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Na Joe Lebre which I have never seen, written by

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Jared and his wife Jerusha, based on the short film Poluka,

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which was produced as for an assignment while Hess was

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attending Brigham Young University, starring John Heater in this feature

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film debut, John Grease, who played Laslo Hollyfeld in Real Genius,

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Aaron Rouel, Fram Ramirez, Tina Majorino, who people both know

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as a Nola from water World. She's had quad her

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career in her adult years as well, Dietrich Bader and

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Haley Duff, and plenty of locals, friends and family also

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appear throughout the film. All one hundred and eighty one

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student extras are listed in the closing credits. By the way,

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shot in twenty two days on location in Preston, Idaho,

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on a budget of four hundred thousand dollars, it had

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a box office of forty six million, So that is

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quite an impressive return on investment.

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For sure, that is impressive. I mean, I'll give it

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to them that they did turn a very small film

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around to a big success. So, yeah, there is something here.

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I may not see it, but there is something here

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for for everybody.

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Yeah, there was actually at can There was actually or

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not Canada Sundance. There was a bit of a bidding

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war between Fox and some other I think it was

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Warner Brothers. We're both trying to pick up the film,

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and eventually Fox search Light and then of course with

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Paramount and MTV Films all got together and released the film.

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So a couple other facts I found. Many of the

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scenes were inspired by actual events that Hess experience as

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a teen in Preston, including the farmer shooting the cow

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in front of.

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The school bus.

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What, yeah, all right happened?

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I'm like, oh, my goodness.

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The dance scene, which is one of my favorite parts

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of the film, was the last scene shot. They actually

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ran out of film during the shoot. It was edited

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together with only ten minutes of dance footage for them.

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To work with.

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It was partially choreographed by co star Tina Majorino. Three

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different songs played for Heater to dance too, and they

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just used the best moves from each one to make

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the cut. So, with the exception of the Unicorn towards

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the very beginning, John Heater actually did all the Napoleon's drawings,

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which I thought was pretty good. I mean, they're not great,

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but they're still better than anything I can do. The

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film was edited on a six thousand dollars Macintosh computer

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with a copy of final cut pro.

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Now, this I thought was pretty interesting.

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While being interviewed for the book You Got to See This,

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filmmaker Jonathan Demi list this film as one of his favorites,

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saying the film did something new on screen and it

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moved and delighted him. So yeah, I know, right, that's

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saying something.

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So he's something too.

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One of other things I do want to mention, John Grease,

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who plays Uncle Rico, does not eat red meat, but

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throughout the film he's seen eatening steak. After every shot

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he spit the steak out into the sink and into

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the trash cans and things like that. So it reminds

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me of the actress from Beetlejuice that plays Juno, who

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was smoking in every scene, but in real life the

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actress did not smoke, so after they would say cutch.

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She would throw up, what a trooper? What a trooper?

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This I thought was pretty interesting.

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The name Napoleon Dynamite was the name of someone Hess

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met in two thousand while doing missionary work in Illinois.

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He actually had no idea at the time that Elvis

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Costell had already used the name on an album. He

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found out during production of the film. One of the kids,

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one of the teenagers on the set, actually told him

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about it.

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So I thought that was a kind of an.

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Interesting coincidence he you know, because that was not the

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character's name in the in the short. So but yeah,

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I kind of think Napoint Dynamite's kind of fun cool.

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Before we get going on to things we'd like about

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the film, Wann't Take a Quick Break and uh so

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Don't Go Anywhere was wicked.

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It's time for that was totally wicked.

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These are things we love, or in Wayne's case, can

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put up with about the film.

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So I will go first.

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And I'll drop one, and then I'll let Wayne go.

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So the one thing I truly.

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Enjoy about the film is the friendship that Napoleon has

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with Pedro and the relationship he built with Deb. They're

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all odd in their own ways. Pedro barely says anything,

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you know, and Deb is kind of off our own

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little world, trying to be a photographer, earning money for college,

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and you know, they kind of all find each other

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in very weird ways and almost as you know, at

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ways of chance. And the thing I really enjoy is

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that their friendships actually help them each build confidence. You'll

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notice throughout the film that at the beginning, Deb has

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her hair pulled in a very tight ponytail on the side,

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and as their friendship grows, it becomes a little looser.

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She has just a smaller ponytail with the rest of

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her hair down, and by the end of the film

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her hair is completely down, showing how that she's gotten

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more comfortable and more secure who she is and is

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fun with it. The relationship with Pedro, Napoleon, you know,

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puts themselves out there and dances in front of the

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entire student body, you know, to do a skit for

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his friend, you know, kind of puts himself out there.

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And and then Pedro, I mean, you know, he gets

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to be class president, you know, for just kind of

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befriending Napoleon. So I enjoyed their friendship and that's, you know,

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ultimately drives the film, as those three characters and who

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they interact with. So I I thought all three of

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those actors sold the idea of their friendship. So that's

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the first thing I want to mention, because you know,

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I enjoy character driven films, and I think this one

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has that. So what's something that you liked about the film?

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Well, I liked it. It's only an hour and a

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half long.

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I was for that. How did I know that was common?

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Now?

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Seriously, I did like I like the title sequence. I

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like the simplicity of the title sequence. And in fact,

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when it first started and that showed up, I actually

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had high hopes for everything because I know that it

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wasn't originally intended to have a title sequence, and I

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think the studio forced them to do it. Something to

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do with the fact that they wanted people to know

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what time frame it took place when, which I find

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really odd because it was pretty obvious. I mean, just

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by watching the film which time frame it took place.

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It took it right, I didn't need someone to show

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it to me. But I liked the title sequence and

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how it was laid out. I also I thought the

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the locations they chose were were magnificent. It was fantastic

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on on screen all from from both the school to

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to the outside. Everything looked fantastic. But yeah, everything else

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was something else. Wow, damn all right, I hate doing that,

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you know, And you know, there's nothing wrong.

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With that, because.

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I'm gonna I mean, Jeff knows how I feel about Tombstone,

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and yet everybody wants to land me because I considered

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Tombstone to be extremely overrated.

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I don't find it entertaining at all.

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Exactly, you know, and and you know, and I'm just

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recently the Shy podcast guys did Goonies versus Template Doom episodes,

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and I quite frankly, I think Temple Doom is the

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worst of all the Indiana Jones films.

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So you know, once again, it's the best see and

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it's okay.

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It's okay. And I met and I told Jeff exactly

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what I thought about, you know, Temple Doom. There's a

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reason I only watch it once every decade because so,

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you know, it's like every.

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Time I watch it, I dislike it even more so.

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And and and that's okay.

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So let me just cover a couple of other things

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I want to mention that I thought was really good. Uh.

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Tina Majorino plays deb very well. You know, she doesn't

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do a lot, but she does very well with expressing

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uh expressions of her face. She's vulnerable and the insecure

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throughout the film, but she is very confident in her

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ability to do portraits. You know, I thought that was fun.

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Her face when she gives Pedro the note answer for

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the dance is genuine. She looks very pleased, like I

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can't believe somebody asked me to the dance. And then

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the look of you know, just total embarrassment. When Uncle

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Rico gives her the bust to handser flyer and says,

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you know, Napoleon said you'd be interested, she just looks hurt,

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you know. And she just did a great job, you know,

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expressing feelings which just looks, you know, not going over

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the top or whatever. I do really like how Hess

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took things that happened to him when he was a

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teenager and.

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Put him in the film.

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You know, toying your sibling, you know, on your bike

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with a rope and you know, usually it was for

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our generation it was skateboards, but apparently there it was.

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You know the film, it's inline skates. And you know

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the the f FA event where Napoleon's gussing the defects

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and the milk.

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You know, there's just all these things.

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You're kind of like, what but you know, these all

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things that happened to him, and he tried to incorporate

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into the story and I thought that was kind of fun.

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It kind of grounds it in reality, and so I

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like that.

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The use of you know, you mentioned the on location sites,

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the mom and pop burger place, the high school, the dojo,

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the poultry farm, you know, that's everything. They just kind

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of found places within the town of Preston to use.

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And sometimes that's the best way to do it. I mean,

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you just go to a location. It's fantastic on screen.

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Yeah, yeah, And you know, some of the simple shots,

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like even when Rico is in his van throwing the

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football at the camera in the middle of nowhere. You's like,

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that's a great, you know, just kind of a nice

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little shot. And when they approach Summer's house with the cake,

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you know, it's almost looks like a freaking hotel in

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a way, like small town hotel.

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Yeah, and I.

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Really thought it was funny how the mid how white

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Midwest these people are. They can't even pronounce simple Mexican

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dishes properly, you know, make yourself a casadylla, you know,

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like really and even later Summer mispronounces Jimmy Chong as.

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I thought that was funny.

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So just a little things like that that kind of

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made it fun and quirky. Those are the things that

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I wanted to mention that, you know, and I mentioned

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it before, just Napoleon's reactions were fun and because I

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knew people like that, I think it's what it endears

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it to me. So so since there was nothing else

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that Wayne wants to mention, the next section is probably

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gonna be bigger.

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So m.

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No, sir, I didn't like it.

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It's typher Noster. I didn't like it.

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These are things we don't like or don't work within

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the film. So I'm gonna let Wayne go first this time.

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So what's the uh should I get comfortable?

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Yeah? Now was my turn to talk. Now now I'm

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gonna be absolutely serious. This is This is just the

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way I feel. This isn't the way everybody's going to feel,

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you know. Let me let me start off by saying,

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years ago, I wrote a little chapter in a book

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about you know, liking and disliking things, and and you know,

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everyone has their favorites, and everyone's allowed to have their favorites,

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and and there they're things that they hate. So I'm

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just going to put that out right now before is

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I just don't feel that the film worked as a whole. Okay,

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now it's if this is all subjective, you know, I

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just thought that there just really wasn't much of a

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resemblance of a plot happening here. You know, people are

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going to argue with me that that's fine, but speaking

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as a screenwriter, I'm you're we're taught to have a

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definitive beginning, middle, and into your story, and this felt

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a lot like actor improv which there probably was a

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lot of that in here, but it just it just

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felt like they were working with either no script or

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with a script that was only just a few pages long, uh,

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with with no dialogue, because the dialogue felt more not

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just natural, but a little unnatural, you know. You know.

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The best way for me to describe the plot of

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this film the way I feel it is compared to

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like grape soda. You know, people think it tastes like

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grape because they're telling you it tastes like grape, But

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it really doesn't taste like grape, you know, not in

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the slightest you know.

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You know, I love that even.

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The directing in this film seemed to not have much

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of a direction to it, so just there was just

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nothing for me to latch onto and and nothing for

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me to like. You know, the actors, I thought they

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did a great job with with that what they were giving,

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But the characters are just so unlikable.

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It's like, I don't necessarily I can tell you Uncle

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Rico is a terrible human being, so you're not supposed

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to like him. I mean, he throws steak at Napoleon's

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head and you know, keeps getting him in trouble, like

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giving way getting those bust flyers to the people that

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know him, and just yeah, he's a terrible individual. I

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don't disagree with uncle that.

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So it's just it's it's like I I felt like

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it was like an exaggerated unlikability. Okay, every single character

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seemed to be so unrelatable to me and unlikable to

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a point where there it's just it's just unnatural and

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almost you know, into the realm of the caricature. But

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let me tell you that, in my opinion, it was

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so bad that the only character in the film that

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I personally could relate to in the slightest was the

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bully Randy. I mean really, and now it's a lot

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of this a lot of why I'm saying, the reason

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I can't relate to it, and I know this is

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the reason I had to think about this is because

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I didn't grow up with any background like this.

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This.

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You know, while the director and writer may this may

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have been what he grew up with, how what his life,

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you know, life, high school life was. This isn't anything

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like mine, not in the slightest. Wow. So you know,

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I don't I can't relate to any of these ca

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just because of that. This is this is so foreign,

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so alien to me. I just I just don't see

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anything there. You know, just everything about this film irritated me,

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and I it's it's odd that it did, because I've

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never had that happen before. Even Blair Witch didn't do that,

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even the tater Tots scene, you know, instead of watching

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what was going on the screen. I'm just irritated that

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anyone would stick tater tots in their pocket. You know

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that that's just gross, you know, But yeah, well yeah,

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I mean they're they're all cold, and your pocket's getting greasy.

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You know. That's the way I was with the entire

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film thinking, you know, I'm thinking of other stuff. Every

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scene left my mind wandering to the other characters, the backgrounds,

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the sets, or even worse, to my own phone, you know.

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But all in on top of all, what irritates me

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the most is that I feel like I'm supposed to

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like this film. And that's what bothers me the most.

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That because you know, it's it's was the thing when

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it first came out. You couldn't go anywhere or turn

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the TV off without hearing about this film. Okay, And

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and I don't understand why it just didn't hit at

476
00:26:10.480 --> 00:26:13.920
all with me. I mean not in the slightest, but

477
00:26:14.079 --> 00:26:16.039
I feel like that, you know, if I don't rave

478
00:26:16.039 --> 00:26:18.319
about how great this film is or how artsy it is,

479
00:26:18.319 --> 00:26:20.279
that I'm just not you know, with the times or

480
00:26:20.599 --> 00:26:22.279
however you would say it to you. And then I'm

481
00:26:22.279 --> 00:26:24.160
gonna say, that's probably the biggest little bullshit I've ever

482
00:26:24.200 --> 00:26:27.599
heard about this film about that you know.

483
00:26:27.759 --> 00:26:32.119
Well you know, and that's and I get that because

484
00:26:32.359 --> 00:26:34.400
I've been told. I was told that there's something about

485
00:26:34.400 --> 00:26:36.319
Mary one of the funniest movies I've ever seen, and

486
00:26:36.359 --> 00:26:38.279
I remember watching that movie and I giggled twice.

487
00:26:38.480 --> 00:26:40.359
So apparently I don't.

488
00:26:40.200 --> 00:26:42.240
I'll agree with you on that one. I didn't wasn't

489
00:26:42.240 --> 00:26:43.160
crazy about that film either.

490
00:26:43.480 --> 00:26:47.319
Yeah, So, and I get that, especially since none of

491
00:26:47.359 --> 00:26:50.079
it resonates with you. I mean, like I said, I

492
00:26:50.160 --> 00:26:53.759
knew people that talked like Napoleon. I knew, you know,

493
00:26:54.400 --> 00:26:57.400
I knew people like this. I knew the bullies you

494
00:26:57.400 --> 00:27:01.000
know that would you know, harass other or you know,

495
00:27:01.039 --> 00:27:03.960
they're not so cool kids or whatever that they were

496
00:27:04.000 --> 00:27:06.480
literally asked them questions. Again, I'm talking on purpose, just

497
00:27:06.480 --> 00:27:08.400
so they can make fun of them later. You know,

498
00:27:08.640 --> 00:27:11.039
I knew the guy that would you know, bump you

499
00:27:11.079 --> 00:27:14.200
into your locker own purpose or try to nudge it

500
00:27:14.240 --> 00:27:17.200
into the railing or whatever. So you know, there was

501
00:27:17.279 --> 00:27:19.599
a lot of stuff that I saw on here that

502
00:27:19.680 --> 00:27:21.920
I may now and I knew people that.

503
00:27:21.839 --> 00:27:23.359
Were in the future Farmers of America.

504
00:27:23.519 --> 00:27:27.240
Now I never went and saw them do any of

505
00:27:27.240 --> 00:27:29.960
this stuff, so you know, that was new to me.

506
00:27:30.119 --> 00:27:34.720
But it's I will agree. It's definitely one of those

507
00:27:34.759 --> 00:27:40.079
movies that it takes time for many and I am

508
00:27:40.079 --> 00:27:43.279
just shocked that it was so popular, you know, from

509
00:27:43.279 --> 00:27:45.960
the get go, because it is very offbeat, it is

510
00:27:46.079 --> 00:27:46.920
very unusual.

511
00:27:46.960 --> 00:27:49.039
The characters are are out there.

512
00:27:49.160 --> 00:27:52.799
So but yeah, you know, my wife Leaver reminded me,

513
00:27:52.920 --> 00:27:54.279
is like, you know, you love this movie now, but

514
00:27:54.359 --> 00:27:56.119
you didn't love it when we first started watching them.

515
00:27:56.400 --> 00:28:01.119
Yeah, I know, but I should like it. I should

516
00:28:01.279 --> 00:28:04.319
like it because in terms of the town that you

517
00:28:04.359 --> 00:28:07.279
know that he's in, it's very similar to the way

518
00:28:07.319 --> 00:28:09.119
I grew up. I grew up on a farm community

519
00:28:09.160 --> 00:28:10.960
with a town very very similar to that, as a

520
00:28:10.960 --> 00:28:13.319
school that looked very much like that. But I was not,

521
00:28:13.640 --> 00:28:15.440
and I was a geek. I was like, you know,

522
00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:17.640
I watched our Trek, I watched Doctor Who back back

523
00:28:17.680 --> 00:28:20.599
in there, but I was the I was the person

524
00:28:20.599 --> 00:28:23.279
who fell in between the geeks and the jocks. I

525
00:28:23.440 --> 00:28:26.559
was that that that that one person that was right

526
00:28:26.599 --> 00:28:28.680
in the middle. So I was liked by both sides.

527
00:28:29.640 --> 00:28:32.240
I never I never got my head slammed into a locker,

528
00:28:32.519 --> 00:28:36.640
or or made fun of or had a bully, you know.

529
00:28:36.839 --> 00:28:39.599
I was liked by both sides, which I guess that's rare.

530
00:28:40.039 --> 00:28:41.519
But and and now that I'm thinking about it, I

531
00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:44.440
guess I was. I was very fortunate. But I don't

532
00:28:44.480 --> 00:28:47.200
remember any of that. Don't remember anything like what I

533
00:28:47.200 --> 00:28:49.319
saw in this film ever happened during my four years

534
00:28:49.319 --> 00:28:50.880
of high school. And and believe me, I knew a

535
00:28:50.920 --> 00:28:54.160
lot of future farmers of America.

536
00:28:55.319 --> 00:28:55.799
All right.

537
00:28:56.880 --> 00:28:59.279
Well, with all that being said, there are a few

538
00:28:59.279 --> 00:29:01.519
things that I'm not a fan of.

539
00:29:01.680 --> 00:29:03.319
And let me go down that he's real quick.

540
00:29:05.079 --> 00:29:08.960
So I don't like the uncle Wriggle's girlfriend returns to

541
00:29:09.000 --> 00:29:11.039
him at the end of the film. Like as I

542
00:29:11.079 --> 00:29:13.079
said before, he's an awful person. He doesn't deserve to

543
00:29:13.079 --> 00:29:16.160
be happy unless he's gonna change, and I don't somehow

544
00:29:17.039 --> 00:29:20.079
see him. He did not have that character arc of changing.

545
00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:24.880
Being stuck in nineteen eighty two. Another thing I thought

546
00:29:24.920 --> 00:29:26.640
was kind of odd, and maybe it was just more

547
00:29:26.680 --> 00:29:30.720
of a just a direction mistake. Immediately after a summer

548
00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:33.960
gives her speech for student counsel or student president or whatever,

549
00:29:34.279 --> 00:29:37.160
she's already changed into her outfit for her skit. I'm like, going,

550
00:29:38.440 --> 00:29:42.160
you know, that seems unrealistic considering that was literally like

551
00:29:42.160 --> 00:29:44.920
thirty seconds later. I mean, a minor complaint, but whatever,

552
00:29:45.920 --> 00:29:47.960
there actually is an end credit scene. I don't know

553
00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:49.240
if you made it all way through the credits to

554
00:29:49.240 --> 00:29:53.119
see the scene. Okay, just make it sure, because honestly,

555
00:29:53.279 --> 00:29:55.519
the first few times we watched it, we didn't go

556
00:29:55.559 --> 00:29:57.160
all the way through the credits, so I didn't even

557
00:29:57.160 --> 00:29:58.559
know it was there for a while. So I'm like,

558
00:29:58.599 --> 00:30:00.720
you know, if you're gonna do this, you know, maybe

559
00:30:00.759 --> 00:30:03.920
put it a little earlier, or you know, you know,

560
00:30:04.160 --> 00:30:05.960
give us a reason to stay all the way through

561
00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:08.279
the credits. I mean, my wife and I usually do,

562
00:30:08.400 --> 00:30:12.119
but uh, you know, And also I I I even

563
00:30:12.119 --> 00:30:14.200
all these years later, I'm like, where are Kip and

564
00:30:14.279 --> 00:30:15.200
Napoleon's parents?

565
00:30:15.480 --> 00:30:16.880
You know, are they dead? Did they?

566
00:30:17.079 --> 00:30:19.640
I mean, and the fact that Kip is thirty one

567
00:30:20.039 --> 00:30:23.079
and Napoleon is like a teenager in high school I'm like, there's.

568
00:30:22.839 --> 00:30:25.759
No reason for that age gap. I don't understand that.

569
00:30:25.880 --> 00:30:27.039
So yeah either.

570
00:30:27.519 --> 00:30:30.480
Yeah, and like to me, I'm like, well, why you

571
00:30:30.519 --> 00:30:30.839
know it?

572
00:30:31.759 --> 00:30:33.960
And you know that's because that's a giant gap and

573
00:30:34.000 --> 00:30:35.640
you would think there'd be a reason, but they never

574
00:30:35.680 --> 00:30:41.960
talk about that. So you know that's mostly it nothing,

575
00:30:42.319 --> 00:30:44.000
nothing too damaging.

576
00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:48.200
And so that's pretty much it. That all I've had.

577
00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:51.599
So but uh, but Wayne took care of the rest

578
00:30:51.680 --> 00:30:54.319
of it for me, and uh and that is okay.

579
00:30:54.839 --> 00:30:57.400
So uh, there's and that's just how it is, so

580
00:30:57.960 --> 00:31:01.160
no worries. All right, cool, So we're gonna take one

581
00:31:01.200 --> 00:31:03.039
more break and when we get back, we're gonna hit

582
00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:03.640
some favorites.

583
00:31:04.240 --> 00:31:07.079
And so by the words end, give the film a rating.

584
00:31:10.839 --> 00:31:12.960
Why are you smiling like that? I just like to smile.

585
00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:17.359
Smiling is my favorite? Make work your favorite? That's your favorite? Okay, okay,

586
00:31:17.440 --> 00:31:18.480
work is your new favorite?

587
00:31:18.519 --> 00:31:22.400
Fine, all right, it's time for smiling. Is my favorites?

588
00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:25.160
These are our favorite things about the film. This is

589
00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:26.720
gonna be tough for Wayne, I can tell.

590
00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:28.599
But do you have a favorite character?

591
00:31:29.480 --> 00:31:32.240
Oh yeah, I said to the bully, Okay, make sure.

592
00:31:33.319 --> 00:31:35.240
Wow, just because I was so Eero.

593
00:31:36.160 --> 00:31:38.839
I was so irritated I wanted to take Napoleon's head

594
00:31:38.880 --> 00:31:40.359
and slam it into the locker. And I think that's

595
00:31:40.359 --> 00:31:42.119
the first time in my life I've ever thought that.

596
00:31:43.759 --> 00:31:47.799
Well, you know, I'm actually not upset so much that

597
00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:50.880
you don't like this movie, because I just enjoy the

598
00:31:50.920 --> 00:31:54.359
fact that I got some emotion. You're definitely feeling, I

599
00:31:54.359 --> 00:31:55.440
don't like this movie.

600
00:31:56.400 --> 00:32:01.079
You know, I'm okay with that. He likes to bully cool.

601
00:32:02.319 --> 00:32:05.279
So for me, it's it goes back and forth between

602
00:32:05.359 --> 00:32:08.759
Napoleon and Deb. You know, I guess that I knew

603
00:32:08.759 --> 00:32:10.799
people like him, and I do like the fact that

604
00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:11.799
he does have.

605
00:32:13.400 --> 00:32:14.119
A character arc.

606
00:32:14.200 --> 00:32:17.480
It's not huge, but it's there. You know, he starts

607
00:32:17.480 --> 00:32:19.839
out as an outcast with more social skills, even walking

608
00:32:19.920 --> 00:32:22.680
up to Deb saying, you know, are you drinking one

609
00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:23.799
percent because you think you're fat?

610
00:32:23.880 --> 00:32:26.160
You know, you don't you could drink whole milk and

611
00:32:26.160 --> 00:32:26.480
be okay.

612
00:32:26.480 --> 00:32:28.640
It's like, you know, that's a really terrible way of

613
00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:29.480
saying something like that.

614
00:32:29.559 --> 00:32:32.039
But I think that's the only time in the film

615
00:32:32.039 --> 00:32:34.480
that I actually yeh, you know, chuckles.

616
00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:34.559
A little bit.

617
00:32:34.759 --> 00:32:34.960
I did.

618
00:32:35.119 --> 00:32:37.279
I did like that line. That's something I liked. I

619
00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:37.880
like that line.

620
00:32:38.079 --> 00:32:41.720
Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's something that's something to build on.

621
00:32:42.839 --> 00:32:46.480
But I think ultimately deb is my favorite because she

622
00:32:46.559 --> 00:32:49.839
just starts off sweet and she only just gets better

623
00:32:49.839 --> 00:32:50.599
as the film goes.

624
00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:53.599
For me, So now I am very curious about this.

625
00:32:53.720 --> 00:32:55.319
Do you actually have a favorite scene?

626
00:32:57.440 --> 00:33:01.880
If I were to have to choose one, I I

627
00:33:02.000 --> 00:33:05.880
thought the dance was interesting. Okay, uh, you know, a

628
00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:10.319
little a little quirky, you know, a little long, But okay,

629
00:33:10.400 --> 00:33:12.200
I can see why people would like that.

630
00:33:13.240 --> 00:33:13.440
To me.

631
00:33:13.559 --> 00:33:15.119
If I was in the audience, I'd be sleeaking to

632
00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:17.519
the back and keep my head down. But uh, you know,

633
00:33:18.440 --> 00:33:21.039
as a scene in the film, that was probably the

634
00:33:21.039 --> 00:33:23.720
one time that I was kind of really fixed to

635
00:33:23.759 --> 00:33:24.200
the screen.

636
00:33:26.000 --> 00:33:29.400
Well just happens. That's my favorite scene too. There's other

637
00:33:29.440 --> 00:33:32.279
ones in there. I mean that stick out. I really

638
00:33:32.359 --> 00:33:38.720
enjoy Yep and Rica at the place at the beginning

639
00:33:39.240 --> 00:33:43.559
and they're talking back and forth and Yep or sorry,

640
00:33:43.960 --> 00:33:46.240
Uncle Rico puts his hands underneath his arms and he's

641
00:33:46.240 --> 00:33:48.559
sitting there pushing his arms up to make them look

642
00:33:48.599 --> 00:33:50.319
bigger and make them look stronger. I'm just like that

643
00:33:50.400 --> 00:33:53.720
says so much about that character. That he's concerned about

644
00:33:53.759 --> 00:33:58.559
how big his arms are. It is just terrible. So yeah,

645
00:33:58.559 --> 00:34:00.720
the dance number is just a lot of fun mm hmm.

646
00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:04.000
And I dig the song too, so that helps, all right,

647
00:34:04.759 --> 00:34:06.440
something and not about the film. Do you have a

648
00:34:06.440 --> 00:34:08.480
favorite high school movie?

649
00:34:09.320 --> 00:34:11.800
I do, and I you know, there's been so many

650
00:34:11.880 --> 00:34:14.800
of them, but of course, you know, be in front eighties.

651
00:34:14.840 --> 00:34:19.320
I like The Breakfast Club, right, I really enjoyed. I

652
00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:21.079
don't know if I want to admit this because a

653
00:34:21.159 --> 00:34:23.760
lot of people may think I'm I liked American Pie.

654
00:34:23.800 --> 00:34:24.760
I thought that was.

655
00:34:26.639 --> 00:34:29.199
I actually have the box out of the first two films,

656
00:34:29.199 --> 00:34:32.880
so no, there's no judgment here. I think the second

657
00:34:32.880 --> 00:34:34.440
one's better than the first, but they're not in high

658
00:34:34.440 --> 00:34:37.280
school anymore, so that really doesn't count. But no, I

659
00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:43.760
mean it's definitely not you know, uh politically correct anymore.

660
00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:46.320
But it was it was funny in the nineties. It

661
00:34:46.360 --> 00:34:49.719
was funny then, so yeah, it was so that nothing

662
00:34:49.719 --> 00:34:53.960
wrong with that choice. So real quick with my choice

663
00:34:54.440 --> 00:34:57.519
my high school favorite high school film. Go back and

664
00:34:57.599 --> 00:34:59.639
check out our very first episode on the docum based

665
00:34:59.639 --> 00:35:02.639
series of podcast. Jeff joined me as we counted down

666
00:35:02.679 --> 00:35:06.280
our high school So, uh, no spoilers here today, So

667
00:35:06.360 --> 00:35:08.199
if you want to know my favorite high school film,

668
00:35:08.440 --> 00:35:12.559
check that episode out. All right, So, favorite dance scene

669
00:35:12.559 --> 00:35:15.280
in any film? This was kind of a broad question,

670
00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:17.320
so I hope I didn't break your brain asking this. So,

671
00:35:17.519 --> 00:35:18.840
do you have a favorite dance sequence?

672
00:35:19.400 --> 00:35:21.079
I do, And there were a lot to choose from,

673
00:35:21.159 --> 00:35:23.800
you know, I yes, loose and dirty dancing, but it

674
00:35:23.800 --> 00:35:27.280
came down to either the one from Pulp Fiction or

675
00:35:27.400 --> 00:35:30.519
Pee Wee's Big Adventure, and I like, I like pee Wee.

676
00:35:31.079 --> 00:35:34.039
See that's that's another movie I'm not a fan of either,

677
00:35:34.239 --> 00:35:39.880
So that film, see, so many people do, so many

678
00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:42.239
people do. I can only take a pee Wee and

679
00:35:42.280 --> 00:35:45.960
small doses. So but no, those are both fantastic choices.

680
00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:50.039
I mean, the scene in Pulp Fiction is great, and uh,

681
00:35:50.159 --> 00:35:54.440
I mean Travalta pretty much dances in almost every film,

682
00:35:54.559 --> 00:35:56.559
you know, once he came back in his career, it

683
00:35:56.559 --> 00:35:58.280
seemed to it had to be in his contract that

684
00:35:58.320 --> 00:36:01.280
he had to dance in the film somewhere. Yeah, I

685
00:36:01.280 --> 00:36:04.880
mean he even dances in uh even dances in freaking

686
00:36:04.960 --> 00:36:10.440
Face Off. So just say, uh, so mine's actually a

687
00:36:10.440 --> 00:36:16.400
recent choice. The screen adaptation of Wicked has an absolutely

688
00:36:16.559 --> 00:36:20.159
amazing dance sequence. It takes place in the library. Now,

689
00:36:20.840 --> 00:36:23.719
the song is wonderful, but the I mean, the choreography

690
00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:25.960
is great. But here's the thing that really sensed it

691
00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:30.679
for me. There are rotating and spinning elements in the

692
00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:35.000
library and these people are jumping through them while they dance.

693
00:36:35.039 --> 00:36:39.159
I mean, and it's all physical, it's not CG and I.

694
00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:41.039
When that scene was over, I turned to my wife

695
00:36:41.079 --> 00:36:44.559
in the theater and whispered, that was amazing. It just

696
00:36:44.679 --> 00:36:47.239
was so good, and it was you know, that was

697
00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:48.639
one of the first things we talked about when we

698
00:36:48.639 --> 00:36:50.480
went outside. I mean, the rest of the movie is fantastic,

699
00:36:50.519 --> 00:36:53.880
but that scene was just unbelievable.

700
00:36:53.920 --> 00:36:58.440
And so it's gonna be hard for me anything to

701
00:36:58.440 --> 00:37:01.239
top that. But yeah, it was just so impressive.

702
00:37:01.880 --> 00:37:04.320
Yeah, I can think of musicals, and I never never

703
00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:07.320
occurred to think about musicals because I love musicals. I mean,

704
00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:10.079
there's a lot of great dance sequences there now, you know,

705
00:37:10.119 --> 00:37:12.679
singing in the rain, sound of music, even like bed

706
00:37:12.719 --> 00:37:15.159
dobs and Broomsticks, a lot of great I love all

707
00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:15.840
those films.

708
00:37:16.159 --> 00:37:19.000
Yeah, So and now that's where my brain went first,

709
00:37:19.039 --> 00:37:21.159
just because it's so recent for me. And I'm not

710
00:37:21.400 --> 00:37:23.840
necessarily a big fan of musicals. It just depends on

711
00:37:23.880 --> 00:37:26.599
the musical. And uh, I mean I could have picked

712
00:37:27.440 --> 00:37:30.719
much of the scenes were Crossing the Universe the Beatles Musical,

713
00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:34.199
which was fantastic, but no, the one in Wicked. If

714
00:37:34.239 --> 00:37:36.280
you haven't seen it yet, definitely check it out because

715
00:37:36.280 --> 00:37:37.519
it's an amazing happened.

716
00:37:37.639 --> 00:37:39.559
It's on my radar very very soon.

717
00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:40.800
Yeah, it's really good.

718
00:37:40.840 --> 00:37:42.719
Like I said, you'll when that scene's over, you're gonna

719
00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:48.039
be like wow. All right, So, uh, let's go ahead

720
00:37:48.079 --> 00:37:51.400
and do a final word and rating one to five

721
00:37:51.519 --> 00:37:52.199
film reels.

722
00:37:53.280 --> 00:37:54.880
Let's go ahead and rip the band aid off. You

723
00:37:54.920 --> 00:37:56.639
get to go first. Wayne.

724
00:37:57.239 --> 00:37:59.320
I'm so tempted to say zero, but since that's not

725
00:37:59.480 --> 00:38:03.239
part of the I am going to give it a one.

726
00:38:03.800 --> 00:38:04.159
All right.

727
00:38:04.400 --> 00:38:07.559
I hate doing that there. I am using that word hate,

728
00:38:07.559 --> 00:38:09.239
and I told myself I would never use that word.

729
00:38:10.639 --> 00:38:13.800
I Yeah, I've got to say one. I just it

730
00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:16.239
just did not have anything at all for me.

731
00:38:16.639 --> 00:38:18.039
So it kind of makes you laugh.

732
00:38:18.079 --> 00:38:21.400
We did an episode earlier in March where we did

733
00:38:21.480 --> 00:38:25.480
the review review of Who's That Girl? Starring Madonna, and

734
00:38:26.159 --> 00:38:29.239
I did spend quite a bit of that episode explaining

735
00:38:29.320 --> 00:38:31.880
about it, and when we got to this section, one

736
00:38:31.880 --> 00:38:34.679
of our guests, Russ who from the Affection Group music

737
00:38:34.719 --> 00:38:36.880
YouTube channel, said, all right, so tell me all.

738
00:38:36.800 --> 00:38:38.760
The ways this is the one. And I actually did

739
00:38:38.840 --> 00:38:39.519
not give it a one.

740
00:38:39.559 --> 00:38:45.119
I gave it a two, but spoiler but anyway, so

741
00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:50.039
with this one. Some films are good and they grab

742
00:38:50.119 --> 00:38:52.360
you on the first watch. You know, there's just no

743
00:38:52.480 --> 00:38:54.320
choys about it. You walk out or you finish the movie,

744
00:38:54.320 --> 00:38:57.199
you're like, that was amazing. Some are bad from the

745
00:38:57.199 --> 00:38:59.400
first watch and never get any better because they are

746
00:38:59.440 --> 00:39:03.599
truly bad. And then there are films that take their time.

747
00:39:04.360 --> 00:39:08.840
For me, Napoleon Dynamite is so offbeat and odd and

748
00:39:10.159 --> 00:39:11.800
just one viewing isn't enough to kind.

749
00:39:11.639 --> 00:39:12.519
Of take everything in.

750
00:39:12.920 --> 00:39:14.559
As I said before, I did not love it the

751
00:39:14.599 --> 00:39:17.159
first time, but the more I watched it, the more

752
00:39:17.159 --> 00:39:20.800
I noticed details, and you know, the idio secrecies and

753
00:39:20.840 --> 00:39:27.599
the the goofiness just made me laugh. So it's not perfect,

754
00:39:27.840 --> 00:39:29.559
and I know it, and it's not for everyone and

755
00:39:29.599 --> 00:39:31.960
I know that too, but for me, I give it

756
00:39:31.960 --> 00:39:36.079
a three point five out of five. So so I guess,

757
00:39:36.119 --> 00:39:37.559
between the two of us, what is that like?

758
00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:37.920
A two?

759
00:39:41.519 --> 00:39:45.159
Maybe it will would grow on me, but I just

760
00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:47.280
don't see this as a film that I will come

761
00:39:47.320 --> 00:39:49.559
back to at a later time that I you know,

762
00:39:49.639 --> 00:39:51.639
I've got too many other films to watch.

763
00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:53.920
No. I agree with that, because that's exactly what I

764
00:39:53.920 --> 00:39:55.440
said about you know, Who's that girl? I said, well,

765
00:39:55.440 --> 00:39:56.800
I've seen it, and I never have to worry about

766
00:39:56.800 --> 00:39:59.280
it again, because you know, I always joke that if

767
00:39:59.320 --> 00:40:01.039
I took a year off from work and watch three

768
00:40:01.039 --> 00:40:02.840
films a day every day, I'd still be about a

769
00:40:02.840 --> 00:40:06.760
thousand movies behind. So exactly, you know, just you know

770
00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:11.559
who has the time. I certainly don't. So but anyway, well,

771
00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:16.000
I'm going to apologize to Wayne making him watch this film.

772
00:40:16.360 --> 00:40:19.239
The ultimate April's Fool's Day was played on me there.

773
00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:23.840
So but you know, at least now he doesn't have

774
00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:25.199
to worry about it, you know, he's seeing it.

775
00:40:25.239 --> 00:40:26.119
He's like, I'm.

776
00:40:25.960 --> 00:40:28.199
Good, you know now, I know you're right now, I know,

777
00:40:29.159 --> 00:40:29.760
and knowing.

778
00:40:29.599 --> 00:40:30.400
It's half the battle.

779
00:40:30.760 --> 00:40:31.079
Exactly.

780
00:40:31.079 --> 00:40:31.800
There's there's the G I.

781
00:40:31.880 --> 00:40:37.719
J O reference for everybody. So I want to thank

782
00:40:37.760 --> 00:40:40.840
Wayne for letting me kidnap him for the evening. If

783
00:40:40.880 --> 00:40:43.239
you haven't checked him out over on phaser set to stun.

784
00:40:44.159 --> 00:40:47.440
You're cheating yourself a Wayne, Dave and Scott do a

785
00:40:47.480 --> 00:40:50.559
fantastic job when they know their stuff. So uh, thank

786
00:40:50.599 --> 00:40:52.199
you Wayne for being here, and thank you for putting

787
00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:52.920
up with this film.

788
00:40:53.559 --> 00:40:57.159
Oh it's my pleasure, whether it's good or bad. I

789
00:40:57.239 --> 00:40:58.199
like to watch these films.

790
00:40:58.880 --> 00:41:02.679
All right, that's good. So I want to thank the

791
00:41:02.760 --> 00:41:05.400
film by listeners for hanging around and spending time with us.

792
00:41:05.719 --> 00:41:08.519
I hope you enjoyed the episode, and you know, let

793
00:41:08.599 --> 00:41:12.400
us know what you think of this film. So let

794
00:41:12.400 --> 00:41:14.400
me tell you what's going on over at the docking Base.

795
00:41:14.400 --> 00:41:17.119
I means having podcast. I already mentioned Who's.

796
00:41:16.880 --> 00:41:19.320
That Girl review? We also had other ones.

797
00:41:19.320 --> 00:41:21.559
In March, we did a review of Hounds of Love

798
00:41:21.679 --> 00:41:25.559
by Kate Bush. The film Say Anything from Cameron Crow

799
00:41:26.119 --> 00:41:31.360
a fantastic film starring Jennifer Lawrence Winter's Bone. If you

800
00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:34.239
haven't seen it, you're doing yourself a diservice. Please watch

801
00:41:34.280 --> 00:41:36.920
that film. There's only two kinds of people in this world,

802
00:41:36.960 --> 00:41:38.199
people that have seen it and love it and people

803
00:41:38.239 --> 00:41:43.239
that haven't seen it. So it's just that. Actually, this

804
00:41:43.320 --> 00:41:45.679
week we are kicking off our Disney through the Decades

805
00:41:45.760 --> 00:41:48.639
series where we focus on one animated feature each week,

806
00:41:48.880 --> 00:41:51.760
discussing the film on how Walt Disney and his animators

807
00:41:51.840 --> 00:41:56.760
changed cinema forever. Do yourself a favor and watch more movies,

808
00:41:57.400 --> 00:42:00.400
and remember physical media is better than dreaming.

809
00:42:01.039 --> 00:42:02.280
All right, let's get out of here. I think I

810
00:42:02.280 --> 00:42:02.880
hear Jeff coming.

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The Document seventy seven podcast is produced and edited by

812
00:42:14.800 --> 00:42:18.440
Dayton Johnson, recorded with Roade Pod Mike's the Zoom pod

813
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814
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