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0:47 The show is about to start. Hello and welcome to the docu based seventy seven podcast Takeover of the Film by a Podcast. I am your host and mischievous leader of the Revolution, Dayton Johnson. Jeff left the studio unlocked, so I made myself comfortable and planted my ass in his seat, and I thought I'd be fine to drop something on his stream. Hopefully it's something he doesn't like. I even snagged one of his regulars. The name's Wayne, call sign little drummer Boy. If you get the reference, drop a comment. He knows his way around a film score, Doctor Who, and Star Trek. He is one third of the series Phaser Set to stun Wayne white Edd, Welcome to the not so hostile takeover.

1:27 How you doing? I'm doing great. Thank you for having me. This is definitely something different for me. And different is usually good. I hope it's good this evening. So after some discussion, we did go back and forth trying to figure out what film I wanted to talk to or talk about, and I threw out this one and your reaction was like, cool, I haven't seen that. So I'm hoping the discussion goes well. But we are discussing the two thousand and four key coming of age comedy Napoleon Dynamite. What are you going to do to day?

2:08 Napoleon? Whatever I feel like I want to do with God? How at school? Now? Worst day of my life? What do you think? Napoleon? This is Fedro? What kind of bike do you have? It's you ever taken off many sweet jumps? What are you dying? What's a like? It's pretty much my favorite animal? Everybody at school it's a freaking idiot because of you.

3:04 You gotta clean my mair right now. Get off of me, Bodagh wi per Petro both the pedro. But why are you so swimt I've been practicing some dass moves. Lafonda is the best thing that has ever happened to you, Napoleon. I'm sure there's a babe out there for you too. So oh yeah, he a fat large Come get some dinner.

3:56 All right. Let's hit some opening thoughts on this one include when and where you saw it for the first time. I know that answer, and any general opinions so far so Wayne, Uh opening thoughts, Well. You know, I'm always been a big fan of Ridley Scott. You know, I always like all of his films, but I found this one rather boring. Uh, Joaquin feel oh am I talking about the wrong Napoleon? Oh, cap fools, you know what. I haven't seen that Napoleon. I'll take your word for it. No, I have really knew nothing about this film other than the fact that, like I said, do you it exists, because it's just it's of a genre that I usually kind of ignore. I watch every now and then, I watch a few of you know, a few of them, but usually it's just not something that I'm normally into.

4:51 So not saying that I won't like it, but I thought when you told me where you wanted to try this film, I thought, why not you know, I maybe I'll like it. Maybe, who knows. I'm very keen on watching it because I mean it's it's everywhere. Everyone talks about it everyone here. Yeah, you hear about it everywhere, so you know, why not. Yeah, I mean you can find the vote for Pedro t shirts. You know, pretty much every T shirt place has some of those. And ye and even for a while after the film came out, they used to have a festival where they would have tater tot eating contest, lookalike contests and all kind of things in Preston, Idaho. So it definitely had an impact for sure. So for me, I remember hearing the buzz when it came out, like it was kind of a surprise that it did so well, you know, at the box office, and you know, you kind of hear, oh, it's an offbeat comedy. It's it's silly, it's it's.

5:40 Weird, and so I was a little curious. I know, I didn't see in the theater because it wasn't one of those you know you said, I got to see that in the theater. So I know, we did run it from our local blockbuster shortly after hit video, and initially I did find some bits of it funny, actually, a Napoleon's exaggerated vocal reactions, you know. Gosh, and what do you do? You know, and just things like that. It was like, I knew a guy that spoke like that, So that kind of resonated with me. I still to this. Day laugh out loud at that big swig of gatory he takes. I just find it funny because I knew people that did that too. I didn't love the film the first watch. I remember thinking, Okay, yeah, it's fine, you know, but it absolutely grew on me with each viewing.

6:28 I just knew people that were like Napoleon, that would, you know, tell you stories that they went hunted wolverines over the summer, or you know, they had a fixation on fantastical creatures like the Lotanus monster and things like that, and they were just so out of touch with everybody else. And Napoleon, you. Know, I knew guys like that. In Hell. I was friends with Napoleon, guys like but Napoleon and Pedro and deb you know, those were you know, I was just outside the norm, and so I kind of fit in with those people. And this one. They did a great job with the school atmosphere, you know, with the bullies and whatever. I'm like. You know, I remember many days getting pushed into my locker, you know, just being like, you know, give me your thoughts and stuff like that. So uh, and I will never listen to the song can't heat the same way again after seeing this film and not. And that's not a bad thing, because that's a absolutely fantastic memory to have.

7:26 So those are my opening thoughts. Uh, anything else before we move on. Well, it's it's definitely made me reevaluate, uh, my definition for films and and the way I look at films. Uh, you know. I when we when I first started doing podcasts back for the Phaser such as Stun, I made a rather lengthy rant on one of our episodes about how I never hate anything, you know, I always find I always find I always find something in everything that that I like, be it you know, cast members that I know from from other things, or or the musical score, cinematography, directing, whatever, you know, I always find something. I had a hard time doing that with this film. I'll have to admit, I already in all years of film and television viewing that that I've had, I think before I've said that before, maybe once before that I actually hated a film, and that would be a Blair witch project.

8:38 Oh love. Oh no. My co hosts from Phaser, such as Stun David Burns, he would definitely know my opinion of that one, because i've over the years. You know, I actually met the director and was and but was warned not to say anything bad to him. So it was it was a nice little conversation, but we didn't talk about Blair Watch. But but you know, even with with Blair, which even though I didn't like that film, I understood where it was coming from, you know, what what the filmmakers were trying to do, and I understood by others would like this film that film. But I can't even figure that out on this film. I mean, I watched it twice.

9:19 Now you've seen it a lot more than I have. I've only watched it twice. You know, I watched it once the first time. But I had so much trouble staying awake during that one. That's fair happened to me with a lot of films, so I understand that completely. Yeah, So I had to keep restarting it. So I decided a couple of days later. I'm going to just sit down when I'm fully awake and refreshed and watch it again. And my opinion really didn't change between the two viewing. Yeah, maybe maybe you're like it. Maybe it'll it will grow on me after a few more viewings, but my initial opinion is not too high. All right, Well with that, let's move on fact. It's time for that's the fact, Jack News. Some film facts we have. Napoleon Dynamite premiered at Sundance January seventeenth, two thousand and four, and went wider release in June eleventh, directed by Jared Hess. You might know his other film, Na Joe Lebre which I have never seen, written by Jared and his wife Jerusha, based on the short film Poluka, which was produced as for an assignment while Hess was attending Brigham Young University, starring John Heater in this feature film debut, John Grease, who played Laslo Hollyfeld in Real Genius, Aaron Rouel, Fram Ramirez, Tina Majorino, who people both know as a Nola from water World. She's had quad her career in her adult years as well, Dietrich Bader and Haley Duff, and plenty of locals, friends and family also

10:51 appear throughout the film. All one hundred and eighty one student extras are listed in the closing credits. By the way, shot in twenty two days on location in Preston, Idaho, on a budget of four hundred thousand dollars, it had a box office of forty six million, So that is quite an impressive return on investment. For sure, that is impressive. I mean, I'll give it to them that they did turn a very small film around to a big success. So, yeah, there is something here. I may not see it, but there is something here for for everybody. Yeah, there was actually at can There was actually or not Canada Sundance. There was a bit of a bidding war between Fox and some other I think it was Warner Brothers. We're both trying to pick up the film, and eventually Fox search Light and then of course with Paramount and MTV Films all got together and released the film.

11:41 So a couple other facts I found. Many of the scenes were inspired by actual events that Hess experience as a teen in Preston, including the farmer shooting the cow in front of. The school bus. What, yeah, all right happened? I'm like, oh, my goodness. The dance scene, which is one of my favorite parts of the film, was the last scene shot. They actually ran out of film during the shoot. It was edited together with only ten minutes of dance footage for them. To work with. It was partially choreographed by co star Tina Majorino. Three different songs played for Heater to dance too, and they just used the best moves from each one to make the cut. So, with the exception of the Unicorn towards the very beginning, John Heater actually did all the Napoleon's drawings, which I thought was pretty good. I mean, they're not great, but they're still better than anything I can do. The film was edited on a six thousand dollars Macintosh computer with a copy of final cut pro.

12:41 Now, this I thought was pretty interesting. While being interviewed for the book You Got to See This, filmmaker Jonathan Demi list this film as one of his favorites, saying the film did something new on screen and it moved and delighted him. So yeah, I know, right, that's saying something. So he's something too. One of other things I do want to mention, John Grease, who plays Uncle Rico, does not eat red meat, but throughout the film he's seen eatening steak. After every shot he spit the steak out into the sink and into the trash cans and things like that. So it reminds me of the actress from Beetlejuice that plays Juno, who was smoking in every scene, but in real life the actress did not smoke, so after they would say cutch.

13:27 She would throw up, what a trooper? What a trooper? This I thought was pretty interesting. The name Napoleon Dynamite was the name of someone Hess met in two thousand while doing missionary work in Illinois. He actually had no idea at the time that Elvis Costell had already used the name on an album. He found out during production of the film. One of the kids, one of the teenagers on the set, actually told him about it. So I thought that was a kind of an. Interesting coincidence he you know, because that was not the character's name in the in the short. So but yeah, I kind of think Napoint Dynamite's kind of fun cool. Before we get going on to things we'd like about the film, Wann't Take a Quick Break and uh so Don't Go Anywhere was wicked.

14:18 It's time for that was totally wicked. These are things we love, or in Wayne's case, can put up with about the film. So I will go first. And I'll drop one, and then I'll let Wayne go. So the one thing I truly. Enjoy about the film is the friendship that Napoleon has with Pedro and the relationship he built with Deb. They're all odd in their own ways. Pedro barely says anything, you know, and Deb is kind of off our own little world, trying to be a photographer, earning money for college, and you know, they kind of all find each other in very weird ways and almost as you know, at ways of chance. And the thing I really enjoy is that their friendships actually help them each build confidence. You'll notice throughout the film that at the beginning, Deb has her hair pulled in a very tight ponytail on the side, and as their friendship grows, it becomes a little looser.

15:21 She has just a smaller ponytail with the rest of her hair down, and by the end of the film her hair is completely down, showing how that she's gotten more comfortable and more secure who she is and is fun with it. The relationship with Pedro, Napoleon, you know, puts themselves out there and dances in front of the entire student body, you know, to do a skit for his friend, you know, kind of puts himself out there. And and then Pedro, I mean, you know, he gets to be class president, you know, for just kind of befriending Napoleon. So I enjoyed their friendship and that's, you know, ultimately drives the film, as those three characters and who they interact with. So I I thought all three of those actors sold the idea of their friendship. So that's the first thing I want to mention, because you know, I enjoy character driven films, and I think this one has that. So what's something that you liked about the film?

16:16 Well, I liked it. It's only an hour and a half long. I was for that. How did I know that was common? Now? Seriously, I did like I like the title sequence. I like the simplicity of the title sequence. And in fact, when it first started and that showed up, I actually had high hopes for everything because I know that it wasn't originally intended to have a title sequence, and I think the studio forced them to do it. Something to do with the fact that they wanted people to know what time frame it took place when, which I find really odd because it was pretty obvious. I mean, just by watching the film which time frame it took place. It took it right, I didn't need someone to show it to me. But I liked the title sequence and how it was laid out. I also I thought the the locations they chose were were magnificent. It was fantastic on on screen all from from both the school to to the outside. Everything looked fantastic. But yeah, everything else was something else. Wow, damn all right, I hate doing that, you know, And you know, there's nothing wrong.

17:24 With that, because. I'm gonna I mean, Jeff knows how I feel about Tombstone, and yet everybody wants to land me because I considered Tombstone to be extremely overrated. I don't find it entertaining at all. Exactly, you know, and and you know, and I'm just recently the Shy podcast guys did Goonies versus Template Doom episodes, and I quite frankly, I think Temple Doom is the worst of all the Indiana Jones films. So you know, once again, it's the best see and it's okay. It's okay. And I met and I told Jeff exactly what I thought about, you know, Temple Doom. There's a reason I only watch it once every decade because so, you know, it's like every.

18:10 Time I watch it, I dislike it even more so. And and and that's okay. So let me just cover a couple of other things I want to mention that I thought was really good. Uh. Tina Majorino plays deb very well. You know, she doesn't do a lot, but she does very well with expressing uh expressions of her face. She's vulnerable and the insecure throughout the film, but she is very confident in her ability to do portraits. You know, I thought that was fun. Her face when she gives Pedro the note answer for the dance is genuine. She looks very pleased, like I can't believe somebody asked me to the dance. And then the look of you know, just total embarrassment. When Uncle Rico gives her the bust to handser flyer and says, you know, Napoleon said you'd be interested, she just looks hurt, you know. And she just did a great job, you know, expressing feelings which just looks, you know, not going over the top or whatever. I do really like how Hess took things that happened to him when he was a teenager and.

19:16 Put him in the film. You know, toying your sibling, you know, on your bike with a rope and you know, usually it was for our generation it was skateboards, but apparently there it was. You know the film, it's inline skates. And you know the the f FA event where Napoleon's gussing the defects and the milk. You know, there's just all these things. You're kind of like, what but you know, these all things that happened to him, and he tried to incorporate into the story and I thought that was kind of fun. It kind of grounds it in reality, and so I like that. The use of you know, you mentioned the on location sites, the mom and pop burger place, the high school, the dojo, the poultry farm, you know, that's everything. They just kind of found places within the town of Preston to use.

20:00 And sometimes that's the best way to do it. I mean, you just go to a location. It's fantastic on screen. Yeah, yeah, And you know, some of the simple shots, like even when Rico is in his van throwing the football at the camera in the middle of nowhere. You's like, that's a great, you know, just kind of a nice little shot. And when they approach Summer's house with the cake, you know, it's almost looks like a freaking hotel in a way, like small town hotel. Yeah, and I. Really thought it was funny how the mid how white Midwest these people are. They can't even pronounce simple Mexican dishes properly, you know, make yourself a casadylla, you know, like really and even later Summer mispronounces Jimmy Chong as.

20:44 I thought that was funny. So just a little things like that that kind of made it fun and quirky. Those are the things that I wanted to mention that, you know, and I mentioned it before, just Napoleon's reactions were fun and because I knew people like that, I think it's what it endears it to me. So so since there was nothing else that Wayne wants to mention, the next section is probably gonna be bigger. So m.

21:27 No, sir, I didn't like it. It's typher Noster. I didn't like it. These are things we don't like or don't work within the film. So I'm gonna let Wayne go first this time. So what's the uh should I get comfortable? Yeah? Now was my turn to talk. Now now I'm gonna be absolutely serious. This is This is just the way I feel. This isn't the way everybody's going to feel, you know. Let me let me start off by saying, years ago, I wrote a little chapter in a book about you know, liking and disliking things, and and you know, everyone has their favorites, and everyone's allowed to have their favorites, and and there they're things that they hate. So I'm just going to put that out right now before is I just don't feel that the film worked as a whole. Okay, now it's if this is all subjective, you know, I just thought that there just really wasn't much of a resemblance of a plot happening here. You know, people are going to argue with me that that's fine, but speaking as a screenwriter, I'm you're we're taught to have a definitive beginning, middle, and into your story, and this felt a lot like actor improv which there probably was a lot of that in here, but it just it just felt like they were working with either no script or with a script that was only just a few pages long, uh, with with no dialogue, because the dialogue felt more not just natural, but a little unnatural, you know. You know.

23:00 The best way for me to describe the plot of this film the way I feel it is compared to like grape soda. You know, people think it tastes like grape because they're telling you it tastes like grape, But it really doesn't taste like grape, you know, not in the slightest you know. You know, I love that even. The directing in this film seemed to not have much of a direction to it, so just there was just nothing for me to latch onto and and nothing for me to like. You know, the actors, I thought they did a great job with with that what they were giving, But the characters are just so unlikable. It's like, I don't necessarily I can tell you Uncle Rico is a terrible human being, so you're not supposed to like him. I mean, he throws steak at Napoleon's head and you know, keeps getting him in trouble, like giving way getting those bust flyers to the people that know him, and just yeah, he's a terrible individual. I don't disagree with uncle that.

23:57 So it's just it's it's like I I felt like it was like an exaggerated unlikability. Okay, every single character seemed to be so unrelatable to me and unlikable to a point where there it's just it's just unnatural and almost you know, into the realm of the caricature. But let me tell you that, in my opinion, it was so bad that the only character in the film that I personally could relate to in the slightest was the bully Randy. I mean really, and now it's a lot of this a lot of why I'm saying, the reason I can't relate to it, and I know this is the reason I had to think about this is because I didn't grow up with any background like this.

24:43 This. You know, while the director and writer may this may have been what he grew up with, how what his life, you know, life, high school life was. This isn't anything like mine, not in the slightest. Wow. So you know, I don't I can't relate to any of these ca just because of that. This is this is so foreign, so alien to me. I just I just don't see anything there. You know, just everything about this film irritated me, and I it's it's odd that it did, because I've never had that happen before. Even Blair Witch didn't do that, even the tater Tots scene, you know, instead of watching what was going on the screen. I'm just irritated that anyone would stick tater tots in their pocket. You know that that's just gross, you know, But yeah, well yeah, I mean they're they're all cold, and your pocket's getting greasy.

25:34 You know. That's the way I was with the entire film thinking, you know, I'm thinking of other stuff. Every scene left my mind wandering to the other characters, the backgrounds, the sets, or even worse, to my own phone, you know. But all in on top of all, what irritates me the most is that I feel like I'm supposed to like this film. And that's what bothers me the most. That because you know, it's it's was the thing when it first came out. You couldn't go anywhere or turn the TV off without hearing about this film. Okay, And and I don't understand why it just didn't hit at all with me. I mean not in the slightest, but I feel like that, you know, if I don't rave about how great this film is or how artsy it is, that I'm just not you know, with the times or however you would say it to you. And then I'm gonna say, that's probably the biggest little bullshit I've ever heard about this film about that you know.

26:27 Well you know, and that's and I get that because I've been told. I was told that there's something about Mary one of the funniest movies I've ever seen, and I remember watching that movie and I giggled twice. So apparently I don't. I'll agree with you on that one. I didn't wasn't crazy about that film either. Yeah, So, and I get that, especially since none of it resonates with you. I mean, like I said, I knew people that talked like Napoleon. I knew, you know, I knew people like this. I knew the bullies you know that would you know, harass other or you know, they're not so cool kids or whatever that they were literally asked them questions. Again, I'm talking on purpose, just so they can make fun of them later. You know, I knew the guy that would you know, bump you into your locker own purpose or try to nudge it into the railing or whatever. So you know, there was a lot of stuff that I saw on here that I may now and I knew people that.

27:21 Were in the future Farmers of America. Now I never went and saw them do any of this stuff, so you know, that was new to me. But it's I will agree. It's definitely one of those movies that it takes time for many and I am just shocked that it was so popular, you know, from the get go, because it is very offbeat, it is very unusual. The characters are are out there. So but yeah, you know, my wife Leaver reminded me, is like, you know, you love this movie now, but you didn't love it when we first started watching them. Yeah, I know, but I should like it. I should like it because in terms of the town that you know that he's in, it's very similar to the way I grew up. I grew up on a farm community with a town very very similar to that, as a school that looked very much like that. But I was not, and I was a geek. I was like, you know, I watched our Trek, I watched Doctor Who back back in there, but I was the I was the person who fell in between the geeks and the jocks. I was that that that that one person that was right in the middle. So I was liked by both sides.

28:29 I never I never got my head slammed into a locker, or or made fun of or had a bully, you know. I was liked by both sides, which I guess that's rare. But and and now that I'm thinking about it, I guess I was. I was very fortunate. But I don't remember any of that. Don't remember anything like what I saw in this film ever happened during my four years of high school. And and believe me, I knew a lot of future farmers of America. All right. Well, with all that being said, there are a few things that I'm not a fan of. And let me go down that he's real quick. So I don't like the uncle Wriggle's girlfriend returns to him at the end of the film. Like as I said before, he's an awful person. He doesn't deserve to be happy unless he's gonna change, and I don't somehow see him. He did not have that character arc of changing.

29:21 Being stuck in nineteen eighty two. Another thing I thought was kind of odd, and maybe it was just more of a just a direction mistake. Immediately after a summer gives her speech for student counsel or student president or whatever, she's already changed into her outfit for her skit. I'm like, going, you know, that seems unrealistic considering that was literally like thirty seconds later. I mean, a minor complaint, but whatever, there actually is an end credit scene. I don't know if you made it all way through the credits to see the scene. Okay, just make it sure, because honestly, the first few times we watched it, we didn't go all the way through the credits, so I didn't even know it was there for a while. So I'm like, you know, if you're gonna do this, you know, maybe put it a little earlier, or you know, you know, give us a reason to stay all the way through the credits. I mean, my wife and I usually do, but uh, you know, And also I I I even all these years later, I'm like, where are Kip and Napoleon's parents?

30:15 You know, are they dead? Did they? I mean, and the fact that Kip is thirty one and Napoleon is like a teenager in high school I'm like, there's. No reason for that age gap. I don't understand that. So yeah either. Yeah, and like to me, I'm like, well, why you know it? And you know that's because that's a giant gap and you would think there'd be a reason, but they never talk about that. So you know that's mostly it nothing, nothing too damaging. And so that's pretty much it. That all I've had. So but uh, but Wayne took care of the rest of it for me, and uh and that is okay. So uh, there's and that's just how it is, so no worries. All right, cool, So we're gonna take one more break and when we get back, we're gonna hit some favorites.

31:04 And so by the words end, give the film a rating. Why are you smiling like that? I just like to smile. Smiling is my favorite? Make work your favorite? That's your favorite? Okay, okay, work is your new favorite? Fine, all right, it's time for smiling. Is my favorites? These are our favorite things about the film. This is gonna be tough for Wayne, I can tell. But do you have a favorite character? Oh yeah, I said to the bully, Okay, make sure. Wow, just because I was so Eero. I was so irritated I wanted to take Napoleon's head and slam it into the locker. And I think that's the first time in my life I've ever thought that. Well, you know, I'm actually not upset so much that you don't like this movie, because I just enjoy the fact that I got some emotion. You're definitely feeling, I don't like this movie.

31:56 You know, I'm okay with that. He likes to bully cool. So for me, it's it goes back and forth between Napoleon and Deb. You know, I guess that I knew people like him, and I do like the fact that he does have. A character arc. It's not huge, but it's there. You know, he starts out as an outcast with more social skills, even walking up to Deb saying, you know, are you drinking one percent because you think you're fat? You know, you don't you could drink whole milk and be okay. It's like, you know, that's a really terrible way of saying something like that. But I think that's the only time in the film that I actually yeh, you know, chuckles. A little bit. I did. I did like that line. That's something I liked. I like that line.

32:38 Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's something that's something to build on. But I think ultimately deb is my favorite because she just starts off sweet and she only just gets better as the film goes. For me, So now I am very curious about this. Do you actually have a favorite scene? If I were to have to choose one, I I thought the dance was interesting. Okay, uh, you know, a little a little quirky, you know, a little long, But okay, I can see why people would like that. To me. If I was in the audience, I'd be sleeaking to the back and keep my head down. But uh, you know, as a scene in the film, that was probably the one time that I was kind of really fixed to the screen.

33:26 Well just happens. That's my favorite scene too. There's other ones in there. I mean that stick out. I really enjoy Yep and Rica at the place at the beginning and they're talking back and forth and Yep or sorry, Uncle Rico puts his hands underneath his arms and he's sitting there pushing his arms up to make them look bigger and make them look stronger. I'm just like that says so much about that character. That he's concerned about how big his arms are. It is just terrible. So yeah, the dance number is just a lot of fun mm hmm. And I dig the song too, so that helps, all right, something and not about the film. Do you have a favorite high school movie?

34:09 I do, and I you know, there's been so many of them, but of course, you know, be in front eighties. I like The Breakfast Club, right, I really enjoyed. I don't know if I want to admit this because a lot of people may think I'm I liked American Pie. I thought that was. I actually have the box out of the first two films, so no, there's no judgment here. I think the second one's better than the first, but they're not in high school anymore, so that really doesn't count. But no, I mean it's definitely not you know, uh politically correct anymore. But it was it was funny in the nineties. It was funny then, so yeah, it was so that nothing wrong with that choice. So real quick with my choice my high school favorite high school film. Go back and check out our very first episode on the docum based series of podcast. Jeff joined me as we counted down our high school So, uh, no spoilers here today, So if you want to know my favorite high school film, check that episode out. All right, So, favorite dance scene in any film? This was kind of a broad question, so I hope I didn't break your brain asking this. So, do you have a favorite dance sequence?

35:19 I do, And there were a lot to choose from, you know, I yes, loose and dirty dancing, but it came down to either the one from Pulp Fiction or Pee Wee's Big Adventure, and I like, I like pee Wee. See that's that's another movie I'm not a fan of either, So that film, see, so many people do, so many people do. I can only take a pee Wee and small doses. So but no, those are both fantastic choices. I mean, the scene in Pulp Fiction is great, and uh, I mean Travalta pretty much dances in almost every film, you know, once he came back in his career, it seemed to it had to be in his contract that he had to dance in the film somewhere. Yeah, I mean he even dances in uh even dances in freaking Face Off. So just say, uh, so mine's actually a recent choice. The screen adaptation of Wicked has an absolutely amazing dance sequence. It takes place in the library. Now, the song is wonderful, but the I mean, the choreography is great. But here's the thing that really sensed it for me. There are rotating and spinning elements in the library and these people are jumping through them while they dance.

36:35 I mean, and it's all physical, it's not CG and I. When that scene was over, I turned to my wife in the theater and whispered, that was amazing. It just was so good, and it was you know, that was one of the first things we talked about when we went outside. I mean, the rest of the movie is fantastic, but that scene was just unbelievable. And so it's gonna be hard for me anything to top that. But yeah, it was just so impressive. Yeah, I can think of musicals, and I never never occurred to think about musicals because I love musicals. I mean, there's a lot of great dance sequences there now, you know, singing in the rain, sound of music, even like bed dobs and Broomsticks, a lot of great I love all those films.

37:16 Yeah, So and now that's where my brain went first, just because it's so recent for me. And I'm not necessarily a big fan of musicals. It just depends on the musical. And uh, I mean I could have picked much of the scenes were Crossing the Universe the Beatles Musical, which was fantastic, but no, the one in Wicked. If you haven't seen it yet, definitely check it out because it's an amazing happened. It's on my radar very very soon. Yeah, it's really good. Like I said, you'll when that scene's over, you're gonna be like wow. All right, So, uh, let's go ahead and do a final word and rating one to five film reels. Let's go ahead and rip the band aid off. You get to go first. Wayne.

37:57 I'm so tempted to say zero, but since that's not part of the I am going to give it a one. All right. I hate doing that there. I am using that word hate, and I told myself I would never use that word. I Yeah, I've got to say one. I just it just did not have anything at all for me. So it kind of makes you laugh. We did an episode earlier in March where we did the review review of Who's That Girl? Starring Madonna, and I did spend quite a bit of that episode explaining about it, and when we got to this section, one of our guests, Russ who from the Affection Group music YouTube channel, said, all right, so tell me all. The ways this is the one. And I actually did not give it a one.

38:39 I gave it a two, but spoiler but anyway, so with this one. Some films are good and they grab you on the first watch. You know, there's just no choys about it. You walk out or you finish the movie, you're like, that was amazing. Some are bad from the first watch and never get any better because they are truly bad. And then there are films that take their time. For me, Napoleon Dynamite is so offbeat and odd and just one viewing isn't enough to kind. Of take everything in. As I said before, I did not love it the first time, but the more I watched it, the more I noticed details, and you know, the idio secrecies and the the goofiness just made me laugh. So it's not perfect, and I know it, and it's not for everyone and I know that too, but for me, I give it a three point five out of five. So so I guess, between the two of us, what is that like?

39:37 A two? Maybe it will would grow on me, but I just don't see this as a film that I will come back to at a later time that I you know, I've got too many other films to watch. No. I agree with that, because that's exactly what I said about you know, Who's that girl? I said, well, I've seen it, and I never have to worry about it again, because you know, I always joke that if I took a year off from work and watch three films a day every day, I'd still be about a thousand movies behind. So exactly, you know, just you know who has the time. I certainly don't. So but anyway, well, I'm going to apologize to Wayne making him watch this film. The ultimate April's Fool's Day was played on me there.

40:22 So but you know, at least now he doesn't have to worry about it, you know, he's seeing it. He's like, I'm. Good, you know now, I know you're right now, I know, and knowing. It's half the battle. Exactly. There's there's the G I. J O reference for everybody. So I want to thank Wayne for letting me kidnap him for the evening. If you haven't checked him out over on phaser set to stun. You're cheating yourself a Wayne, Dave and Scott do a fantastic job when they know their stuff. So uh, thank you Wayne for being here, and thank you for putting up with this film. Oh it's my pleasure, whether it's good or bad. I like to watch these films. All right, that's good. So I want to thank the film by listeners for hanging around and spending time with us.

41:05 I hope you enjoyed the episode, and you know, let us know what you think of this film. So let me tell you what's going on over at the docking Base. I means having podcast. I already mentioned Who's. That Girl review? We also had other ones. In March, we did a review of Hounds of Love by Kate Bush. The film Say Anything from Cameron Crow a fantastic film starring Jennifer Lawrence Winter's Bone. If you haven't seen it, you're doing yourself a diservice. Please watch that film. There's only two kinds of people in this world, people that have seen it and love it and people that haven't seen it. So it's just that. Actually, this week we are kicking off our Disney through the Decades series where we focus on one animated feature each week, discussing the film on how Walt Disney and his animators changed cinema forever. Do yourself a favor and watch more movies, and remember physical media is better than dreaming.

42:01 All right, let's get out of here. I think I hear Jeff coming. The Document seventy seven podcast is produced and edited by Dayton Johnson, recorded with Roade Pod Mike's the Zoom pod Track PE four, and edited on Audacity. Opening music provided by Eric Jason Brock. You can find him on YouTube and bandcamp. Thank you for listening.