Adam Green - Hatchet

0:00 Horror has many subgenres, and if we're talking about the slasher genre, I believe there's four characters that go up on Mount Rushmore. Now you tell me if I'm wrong, because I welcome debate on this topic, and I'm even going to do them in order of their debut. So the four slashers I'm putting up on Mount Rushmore Leatherface nineteen seventy four, Michael Myers nineteen seventy eight, Jason Vorhees nineteen eighty and Freddy Krueger nineteen eighty four. You're not wrong. I can't argue with that. You're not wrong at all. Yeah, that's pretty spot on. I know you guys love slashers just as much as I do. And that brings us to a conversation about one of the newer ones. So let's talk about a film by Adam Green, his two thousand and six underrated slasher film Hatchet. Hello and welcome back.

1:22 I'm Jeff Johnson, I'm David Burns, and I'm Garrett Gibson. And this is a film by podcast gentlemen. I am I'm excited for this one. I'm also excited this is the first time the three of us have done a pod. Right, Yeah, yeah, all right, Well I think we're in for a good conversation because for as long as I've known both of you, I've known one specific thing. You guys love horror films. You guys love slashers. So let's get into this one, and let's start with a couple of facts. In a quote from our director Adam Green, because this guy absolutely incredible.

2:02 The more I read about him, the more the more I'm loving this guy. Starting off with this one. When he got married in twenty ten, the wedding was officiated by d Snyder. Yes, that D Snyder of Twisted Sister. Well that's pretty cool. Yeah. And if you're like what you're if you like me and you're going wait, wait what how? Yeah, it turns out they've been lifelong friends. Uh. You can check out the special features if you've got the original Hatchet, the unrated DVD or Blu ray. There is a mini doc called a Twisted Tale that kind of chronicles how they met and their friendship. But it's just one of those things where I'm like, that's bizarre.

2:47 It's it's cool, but very very very cool. This one absolutely will stun you. So if you remember back when Fox released their fortieth anniversary DVD for the nineteen sixty eight Planet of the Apes films, they realized that there were no high resolution photos of Maurice Evans, who played Doctor Zs. So they pulled the original prosthetics and the costume out of storage to do a photo shoot. And the FX studio that was in charge of this was aware that Adam Green was a huge fan of the original film, so they had him come in to be doctors as. Therefore, it's actually Adam Green that you see on the DVD cover art. That's pretty cool. That's amazing.

3:35 That is that is pretty awesome. Yeah. Yeah, now here's where this guy's just if you thought he was awesome already, you're gonna really think he's awesome. This guy he's big on charity, like creating events, hosting events. Following the twenty thirteen Boston Marathon bombings, Green, who grew up in Boston, created his own Boston Strong fundraiser several weeks later. It was a three day event that included screenings of the TV series Holliston, which is a city in Boston. Yep. He had a marathon of the Hatchet films and a celebrity filled auction that offered rare and one of a kind items donated by John Carpenter, Caine Hodder, Wes Craven, Rob Zombie, Chris Columbus, and Eli Roth just to Nate damn. Oh that's quite the lift.

4:32 I know. The auction raised twenty five thousand dollars for the marathon victims in their families. WHOA could you go? Like, I'm just wondering, like, what what's Wes Craven donating to this? Yeah? Like a script you know that he wrote? Is it? You know? Is Robert giving you like a glove or a Fedora? I can only imagine some of the cool stuff that was at this auction. Yeah, no, kidding on working with the same people repeatedly, Adam Green is quoted as saying, invest in people who want it as badly as you do. M that makes sense. I I you know, that's why you guys are here. You know what this pot is bad as badly excited.

5:19 Honestly, you do see that with a lot of people right now, like James Gunn anything he touches. Ever, Michael Rooker's right there. It's someone who wants the project to succeed as much as he does, so I completely understand. I gotta I gotta be honest. I think this is one of those situations where you would think the same director working with the same group could get a little monotonous, or it could get a little it could maybe take you away from the characters of that's of said movie. But I mean, Hollywood, this is been this, This dates back to ed Wood, you know, using the same same group of people, and other great directors like Scorsese who always uses the same three or four I think it works though, honestly, it does well. I'm sure there's a there's probably some listeners that maybe haven't seen Hatchet yet, So, David, if you wouldn't mind offering up a brief synopsis for this one sure.

6:15 Tagged as old school American horror. A group of tourists go on a tour through the Louisiana Bayou, where they learned about a terrifying ghost story about a man named Victor Crowley who was accidentally killed by a hatchet by his own father. As the tour continues, their boat has an accident, causing it to sink, forcing everyone to make their way into the bayou to find their way back to the city. Unfortunately for them, it is going to be a very difficult trip as the ghost story of Victor Crowley turns out to be a real and now they're being hunted and killed in very horrific style. The group run for their lives, doing whatever they can to escape him and the Bayou. Very nicely done. I'm trying to think, like, is there what other horror films do we have that take place in the Bayou other than the Hatchet series? Uh, nothing comes to mind for me, kele Thiny, I think, wasn't it? Oh yeah, I can think of It's just it's just right for the picking down there.

7:10 It is and far in between. Yeah, maybe surp in the Rainbow? Did that take place down there? Uh? Was that Haiti? Or was that Haiti? That was Haiti? Yes? Yeah, Okay, I gotta tell you we Uh there's a there's a Bayou boogeyman that we happened to know down there. Uh, Dave, I'm talking about James Buckley, our good buddy, our good buddy, Jeames Buckley. So listen, James, James lives down there. James happens to be a fan of of the genre, So I had to reach out. I told him. I was like, hey, we're we're gonna cover Hatchet, and I was just curious what you thought about it. So here's here's what James had to say. He says, first, if you've ever been in or near a Louisiana swamp, it's pretty obvious that these swamp scenes were shot elsewhere. Well, James actually were.

7:53 They were shot in California. South Louisiana swamps are vast expanses of muddy water with lots of sight rish trees, alligators, raccoons and snakes. And did I mention alligators? He says. The establishing shots in New Orleans are definitely real, though he says a lot of the shops that you see in the film still exist to this day, although some have moved to different locations, because he says, the film was actually shot about a year after Hurricane Katrina hit the Big Easy, so the city was slowly beginning to regain its sleazy, greener Oh and you know, he gives us a little educational fact here, and he says, finally the name. If Victor and his family lived out in the swamps, they were likely of Cajun descent. Although there is a city named Crowley in southeast Louisiana, Victor would more likely have been Victor Abert or Victor Broussard. And he also says, you know, as far as us covering this movie, he says, the Louisiana Tourism Bureau appreciate your support.

8:59 Swamp tours are also a big thing. By the way, James, thank you, thank you for offering up some education on the big easy. Yeah. Always always fun to talk with him, it is. So let's take a quick break, and then we got to talk about this this cast, because there's some there's some pretty unbelievable cameos from the horror industry, and there's some, there's some, there's some there's some good actor here, and then there's some acting. But in all, all in all, it's it's a fun time. Yeah, we'll get there, we'll be right back. Welcome back. We are talking all about two thousand and six's Hatchet. So, guys, a pretty big cast, maybe not a well known cast.

9:46 So we got Caine Hodter playing Victor Crowley. We got Joel David Moore as our our lead here, our hero. Can we call him here? Should we call him a hero? Sure? Sure? Maybe? Yeah, he's the guy that you're assuming we'll get slaughtered at some point because he's he's with the final girl. Uh, Joel Joel, David Moore is playing Ben. He got Dion Richmond as Marcus, his buddy. Amara's Argoza as Mary Beth, Mercedes McNabb as Misty, Perry Sheen as Sean, the goofy little tour guide, Richard Real as Jim Prematello, Patricia Darbo as Shannon Permatello. They're they're the awkward kind of socially awkward couple, married couple. Yes, they're down there. Yeah. Joel Murray as Doug Shapiro the sleazy Girl's gone wild producer type by you beavers, Yeah, by by you beavers. And then uh, we'll talk. We'll talk one more, one more name.

10:55 Uh when we when we start talking cameos. But back to the top. Kine Hotter, one of the all time greats in the horror industry, as as Victor Crowley. Hmm, let's talk about this guy, Victor Crowley or Kane Hodter. Let's talk about Bob Well, let's talk about Kate because I think at this point all three of us have had I have met him several times. We had some some fun conversations. With him, right, yeah, it's because of him that I had to buy a new cell phone. Yeah, Dave, you want to you want to tell the cell phone story? Uh, briefly, So we went to Scarefest in Lexington last year and uh, the phone that I had had a big crack on the glass. Obviously I knew I had replaced.

11:39 I had it for years. And uh, I pulled it out the hand to you, Jeff, to get our to get a picture with Caine, and he looks at it and listen videos. You need to get a new phone. And I was like, all right, Kane, I will. I'm not gonna argue with you. Literally I went out about a new phone because of Kane Hider. Come on, Yeah, yeah, you talked to him a time or two, haven't you a couple of times? I've met him. First time, of course, Friday thirteen, signing at a Hoorehound weekend. I was pretty fun and exciting getting to meet people like him, CJ. Graham, stuff like that. Super nice guy. Laid the classic varheatst choke on me and gave you about I think forty percent as he calls it, you can feel it.

12:20 Oh okay, well, now we got to talk. We got to talk about this because you got the Voorheast choke. Yes. Now, recently one of the last times I saw him, well we you know, we talked, we did we did a photo op. Yeah, and I said, hey, man, I said, uh, how about how about how about a little fun one where like you're strangling me? And he looks at me. He's like, no, I can't do that. No, I said, not anymore. I said, you can't. He goes, nah, he goes. I was a little you know, I did it and someone thought I was a little too rough, and uh, I just I don't I don't take a chance anymore. I was like, okay, I understand that. He goes, how about how about I punch in the face? I was like, and you know, I I I cautious because I don't know what I don't know what that means. But you're talking about you know that forty is a hell of a lot because we did this pose where it looks like he's punching me in the face. And I'm telling you what, man, that guy's fist is nothing but granted, oh and I'm thinking just him pressing against my jaw.

13:23 I thought if he went full go, I'd be on the floor. I'd be taking a nap. So for him being sixty three years old, yeah, he's quite impressively strong age. He still to this day strikes a very imposing figure. Oh guy is just incredible. Absolutely love him and I love I love this Victor Crowley character. M Garrett. You it was you. We were talking a couple months back. We're we're talking about like what's going to make the cut for October and you said, come on, man, let's talk Adam Green. Yep, So all right, well you know what are you thinking? You said Hatchet And then Dave, you know, several weeks back, is like, man, we should do like an Adam Green movie, or we should do one of the Hatchet films or something like that. It's like, well how about that. Okay, Well come on in, Dave the water Form because uh, and I just knew. I was like, we're gonna have a great time talking about this because obviously we all three are fans of this film.

14:20 It's it's a little over the top, it's it's definitely got a splatter, but it's it's just fun. Right it is, and it goes unto the radar. I think for a lot of people, I mean people who are in the horror genre know about it, but it's they saying that other people who don't know much about it should watch it because, uh, it's. It's a good horror film. Yeah, absolutely, I agree with you. What do you think you're. I agree with David there. I mean, it's an absolutely amazing film. I believe the amount of stars that are in it, whether they're cameos or whatever, it is, every one of them's kind of made some sort of impact. And like horror awaighted films such as Robert England, Tony Todd Perry and all them. Now, so no, I think it's mussy for sure.

15:03 I think it's definitely a musty if you're a horror fan. But uh, Joel David Moore, he's playing Ben. Now, I know this guy from Grandma's Boy where he played that weird antagonistic computer programmer. Yeah, it's hard not to see him as anything else other than that. So, you know, even though I've seen Hatchet a bunch of times, I'm like, I'm just not I don't know, man, you know, I'm not ready for it. I remember it's Norman Avatar wasn't. Oh my gosh, I forgot about that. Yeah, I completely forgot about that. Dave, Yeah, forget Dodgeball too. Yeah.

15:44 Yeah, Okay, all of a sudden, like this guy star of the film, Joel David Moore, let me correct her. I didn't realize this guy's done a lot of big stuff that we but we like. Yeah, I do, like I listen, I do like him in this. I know he he's kind of like the reluctant hero. You know, he's his characters down there. They go down to the you know, Marty grawl to get his mind. You know, he's been dumped and he's just, oh man, the poor guy's got no game. I love. That's a nice jacket. Jacket. I honestly I laugh every time when they when when Adam Green does that that smash cut to Dion Richmond, Yeah, Marcus looking at Marcus's face like it's so good. It's so good. I'll tell you what else is good. Joel gets the classic Carpenter line. Uh the end of the movie, their hatchet coming, you know, hatchet face comes back, Victor Crowley, I should say, and he gives that iconic you gotta be fucking kidding me. Yeah, yep, Garrett, I haven't seen every Hatchet film, which I will be uh correcting here in the next day or so, but apparently this line is in every single hand shit film. Okay it is.

17:03 And this is all just because he's a he's a carpenter fan, right yep. When you want to talk about method acting, and I don't want to be I don't want to be gross here, but I just I read this. I was like, man, that's just that's unreal. This guy there's a scene at the end of the movie where he has to vomit. Yeah, yeah, there's some you know, this is like I said, it's a splatter film. We won't talk about what the reason why he needs to vomit, but I saw it. I was like, oh, that's that's that's harsh. He vomited for real? He did one take? Yeah? Yeah? Did you now do you guys? Are you aware of what he ate so that he would it would be easier for him to vomit? Did you? Did you read this? It like oysters or something like that, wasn't it or something?

17:47 He he he eats cold clam chowder with with orange juice. Yeah, how disgusting. Is that I want to throw up right now, just just just talking about it. Man, that's taking one for the team, man, I tell you, wow, I don't know if I could do that. It's like reminding of the Sardines Jeff Knew. Oh yeah, when we try to do that sardine challenge. No yea, no thanks, can't do it, No thanks. Yeah, it's it's it's a fun character though. I like, Uh, I love he's got that late nineties early two thousands. Look, you know the T shirt with the long sleeve thumb underneath it. You know he's got that. He's got that nineties haircut. There's no denying that. But you know, you you just assume that he's going to get hacked to pieces at any point, because, let's face it, you know, the rules of the slasher film are that the the final girl will make it and everyone else doesn't. That's why there's a final girl. There's not a final guy, right, correct, Yep, those are the rules. Those are the rules. Sorry, you think of back to our coverage of Scream when we did the nineteen Yeah. Uh, it's a fun cast of characters.

19:07 I don't know if you guys want to spend any time, any real time on anyone in particular before you get to the cameos. But uh, I would like to point out that the sleazy by you Beaver's guy, Joel Murray, that's that's Bill Murray's brother. It is ye yep. You have to know that though, like when you just when you hear him or you look at him. I'll always remember him in One Crazy Summer though. Oh yeah, I played George. Yeah, and then he has a scooge He's a I mean, he's a big character actor. He's in like a a ton of stuff, yes, a ton of stuff. So a couple of things, Jeff, So one, please tell me that you saw that Joel Murray playing Duk Shapiro really could play Art from the Burbs because he had that same Now but other note about the Burbs.

19:55 Patrika Darbo, Yeah, he's Art's wife. Are you kidding me? No, I'm not kidding you. She played art wife in the Burbs. My cow, Yeah, my wife is Oh I didn't. I never knew that she was in the Burbs, man, because you know, she's the annoying wife to the annoying husband and they're both in office space. Because remember she's the one, you know, no Milton to pass it down or whatever, casting it down Milton, yeah, you know. And then he's a jump to conclusions guy, who you know, what is it you say? You actually do here? He's like I talked to these you know, don't you understand?

20:39 Just like. Yeah, she is, man, I know. And there's two people. I gotta point them out, because everything comes back to Star Trek. Oh, here we go. Richard Real he was in. Star Trek Enterprise, he's in Star Trek Voyager, and he was in Star Trek and Mixtortion. And Jeff he was the quarterman after in Glory. Oh yeah, he was such a dick in Glory. Yes, he was the one withholding their supplies. And of course I know we're going to get to him. But of course, Tony Todd two episodes of Deep Space nine. But he also played Kerrent in Star Trek the Next Generation. Look at you just stepping all over the cameos section. Hey, sorry, you know, everything comes back to Star Trek, man, I gotta mention that. I listen, I gotta I gotta tell you something about everything coming back to Star Trek. I haven't confirmed it, but I believe I found the episode the first time you said that when you when you start pointing that out, Yeah, if you listen listeners, if you're on Spotify and you're listening to a podcast and then the episode ends, a lot of times it'll just randomly just jump to another one from the same same company.

21:46 The other day, one one of ours had finished. I was actually Dave, I was listening to Phasers, So I guess it does all come back to Trek, but it randomly chose are from Dust Till Dawn episode m hm that we did for nineteen ninety six, and in that we're talking about some of the cast and you you say the the the iconic line. Well, hey, you know it does it always comes back to Star Trek like you were talking about someone and then you said that, like you were pointing out that they were in Star Trek. So I'm pretty sure that's the first time that was. That was the nineteen ninety six series. That's been a couple of years, so it has been. Yeah, I have to I have to believe that's that's the beginning. But uh, anyways, uh, moving past the nostalgia, anyone you guys wanna you should we us spend some time talking about anyone in particular as far as uh, this cannon fodder that gets uh hack the pieces. I didn't think you would. But yeah, all right, well let's let's talk cameos, because I want to find out who's cameo you guys enjoyed the most so, and it's a who's who of of horror folks. The movie opens in the swamps with a father and son, father played by Robert England and the son played by Joshua Leonard of Blair Witch Project fame, and uh, dave you already mentioned Tony Todd. Uh he's in town as Reverend Zombie one of these little occult shops. Let's be honest,

23:18 he is playing a Scooby Doo villain. He is. I love it too, I absolutely love it. And then one uh, one casual fans might might not not catch uh. There's a really crazy character in this movie called Jack Cracker, Yes, played by horror director and effects master John Carl Buckler. Yeah, just a bit, he yeah, yeah, he's listen. He does the he does the makeup on the movie, which I know we're gonna talk about the makeup and the effects here in a minute, but I gotta say he you know, when they're like, yeah, that's you know, he's he's trying to warn them from going out on the on the on the water. And then the tour guide he's all like, ah, that's just that's old Jack Cracker. He he just says crazy ship and he drinks his own piss, and you're like, why would you say that? And the poor guy is trying to warn them and he's trying to save their lives and then he you know, he fails to do so, and he drinks some piss.

24:20 That's my favorite thing is he just pulls the jug and takes it. They enjoys it. Yeah, he could. He could have pulled up like a mason jar and you could have You could have just assumed, like you could have wondered like is that that No, that's not piss, that's probably moonshine. No, it's one of those medical grade hospital. You know, I can't go I can't get to go the bathroom, so I need the p jug type type. But again, this movie, it's it scenes like that aren't cluing you in the south. The score, the the score of this is definitely telling you you're supposed to have little fun with this, you're supposed to laugh where you know, you might get there's gonna be some good jump scares. But this is not the Exorcist, this is not sinister. It's now you're just having fun. It's a it's a fun slasher movie.

25:07 Yeah yeah, I mean they literally open with Marielon Manson after that like opening scene, and it's yeah, yeah, it's it's. It's an odd choice having Maryland a Marilyn Manson song. I'm not I'm not against it, but I'm also kind of wondering, if D Snyder's your buddy, how come D Snyder's not doing the music. That's a good question. Hey, you never know. I mean maybe maybe D's busy, or maybe he does want to impose, or I don't know, but who knows what it's a what's the song? Garrett is a this is the New Ship? Right? Ye? Okay? Yeah, you get the original and then you get like a remix for the credit sequence. You do interesting.

25:47 Let's talk a little bit about the film. Uh, there's one thing in particular, I definitely want to talk about the main thing that I'm in awe of. Adam green An acts a no CGI rule, the makeup and the special effects. Now, that's that's kind of unheard of in the two thousands. It is, especially yes, especially when I mean, I know, I don't want, I don't want to step on it, but I know we're going to talk about some uh some of these kills. But the fact that he is doing what he's doing in camera blows my mind that there's no there's no CGI here.

26:28 Yep. Well, we always talked about how much we love practical effects. Oh yeah, I love that he went after practical effects because it's a lost art. We've talked about this before in podcast, and it aggravates me that everything is CGI. I mean, you can touch things that was CGI. But come on, man, let's go back to what made horror movies. Horror movies use that practical effects. Let's do it. The more we see Adam Green, the more I'm hoping we're gonna get back to practical effects. And you know, like I said, he's got John Carl Buckler helping him out with this one. So the technology exists, you know, the craft is there. People can still do this amazing makeup, these amazing effects that are that are practical, and I just I just wish we'd have more of it. Honestly, you know, we need we need I mean, think about it, like you know Bukler, Slavini, boutine. Like these guys, they're you know, they've been in the in the business for for decades. Now. Yep, we need the next generation. We did agree, See David, it does all come back to start directly? How did that.

27:29 I do? If you guys, I don't know if you guys noticed this or not, but did you notice some of the names on the tombstones in the cemetery at the end? I knew, I knew I noticed one well. Sarah Elbert and Cory Neil were both producers of the film. Both of their names on some tombstones. But obviously Greens is way there. Yeah, I believe if Marcus's body gets slammed up against it and that says Green obviously in honor of the director of this film. Yeah, a lot, a lot of fun little East eggs in this guaranty any East eggs that you can hot, like, I mean, like nods, nots other horror films. Honestly, no, I just kind of get sucked into this one just because the splatterhouse and the special thing. Yeah, the practical effects I should say in this film.

28:16 I'll say the one that was very big to me was the ending scene when they they believe they believe they've they've killed the killer. Yes, and they get in the boat and they kind of it slowly drifts out in the middle of the open water. The music, I mean, he that the guy that wrote the music is doing his damnedest not to not to flat out copy Harry Manferdin's Friday thirteenth score. It is pure, you know, and even even Crowley comes up out of the water. It's it's such a fright thirteenth moment. I love I love it. But it's a good twist on it. How they did it, oh gosh, yeah, yeah, she was underwater looking up and then what happened. I think that was a cool twist. But they were clearly that's what you were doing. Come on.

29:00 Yeah, And I find this interesting too. I believe they tried to get Daniel Harris. They wanted Daniel Harris right, but he didn't. Want to go that route. She obviously takes over the role of Mary Beth, I believe later on. But you really can see Daniel Harris played this role. You could that, okay, I mean I feel it anyway when I'm when I'm seeing Mary Beth acting, I could have swore that would be Daniel Harrith, no problem. Well, okay, so for what it's worth, Amara Zargoza, who plays Mary Beth, I thought she's she's pretty good. I thought she has a great job. Yeah. Ye Now, and it sounds you know, it sounds like you guys have seen the other movies where I haven't.

29:43 So I did read that he was gonna have Daniel Harris until he realized he did. He didn't want to feel like he was stunt casting over the top because he's already got Kane Hotter and Robert England and Tony Todd and Joshua Leonard. I mean, he's he's cramming so many people into this movie. So I heard that he he pulled back on that, and that's how you get this young lady. But then I also heard that she willingly chose not to be in the sequel. Yeah, and that's so Daniel Harris does take over the in the role. Okay, how convenient is that that they You know, she bears a striking resemblance to the other actress, so she does all right, Well, now, I'm definitely excited to see because I love Daniel Harris.

30:26 So one thing that is kind of like a nod, just like the key Key mom thing that's happening in Friday the thirteenth when Jason's essentially being channeled because it's shortened from kill for Mommy and all that. Just like how he keeps saying ditty in the distance with his voice and everything. I feel like that's kind of like a homage to the Friday thirteenth. I guess that is one of the ones I may have picked up on subconstantly not pay attention to it, but yeah, I think you're right. Well, one more thing about the makeup effects. So we get a flashback, you know, we we're gonna we're gonna learn how Victor Crowley became Victor Crowley, right, and it's a sad story, which I dig. The fact that his father is played by Kane Hodter. Yeah, you know, signs makeup, But this really surprises me. The person playing young Victor Crowley is actually a very beautiful young lady named uh Leiah Vanderbilt, model and actress.

31:37 Yep. So when when Buckler needed someone to test makeup effects on, she actually volunteers, and because the prosthetics have been molded to her face for test shots, she just ended up playing the part. Yeah why not. Now, if you're wondering like I was, why is a young beautiful model just hanging out uh, pre production on a film like Hatchet? It just so happens. The woman that Adam Green married in twenty ten, where Dee Snyder was officiating, was really a Vanderbilt Yeah. Now, cool story. Yeah, when they were both struggling to kind of make their break, they both worked at the Rainbow Bar and Grill in Los Angeles, which I definitely recommend if you ever in La go to this place. It's awesome. I had a great time when I was there. But yeah, they both worked there and that's where they met.

32:39 That place right there. Lemmy Killmeister absolutely loved hanging out there, which is crazy. There is last time I was there up with Brad Kozo. Actually we were there. I was in town visiting. We go to the Rainbow and they actually have this was after let Me's passing. They've got a full size statue of Lemmy there that you can you know, obviously you can see here, take your photo next to you. That's pretty cool. Yeah, yeah, awesome place. And yeah that that's that's that's where they met. That's how she shows up on set. That's pretty amazing when you watch that creepy, sad, disfigured ghoul of a kid, you know, because it is a little it's a heart. It's a little bit of heartbreak.

33:25 I'm like, come on, leave the guy, leave the kid a loon. But yeah, underneath all that makeup. I like the storyline of how he essentially died from a broken heart. After that, like it didn't just tear tears at you a little bit more. It's like just a little bit, just a little bit. It was a Burton moment. It felt like didn't it? Oh it did it really did? Sitting there covered with a blanket looking out a window, dead stare. Yeah, I can see that. Oh man, Tim Burton's hatchet. No disrespect to Adam Green. We love the screen. Yeah, man, let's look guys. I know we typically will do uh, we'll talk about some noteworthy scenes and then we'll choose a pivotal moment. But it's October. It's a slasher film. I said, we have a little bit of fun. Let's talk about all the kill scenes and then choose what we feel is the best one. The best death is that it's gonna be to death this film.

34:25 I know, I know. Let's start though with our first on camera kill the married couple. So they there, you know, they're at this point, the boat has crashed. They get to shore. Mary Beth, who we get, We get her origin story. She's actually real quick. Not to get off topic, but this beautiful young woman is actually related to the two Hicks at the beginning of the you know, the the gator hunting Hicks played by Robert England Joshulenna. I don't buy that for one second. Come on chance, Chan, But anyway, she points south that, hey, that's Victor Crowley's house right there. He's real And when this obnoxious couple you go, you know, because the guy, what's he do? He he falls and Gator gets it. Gater gets it, gets a bite into.

35:14 Him, less up when he tries to run away. There. Yeah, so she's trying to you know, the wife's trying to get him up to the door. Help we need help, and Victor Crowley explodes out of that place like leather face in the Texas Chancel Masacreah, which we've seen Jason Voorhes do that a time. Yeah, at Crystal Lake. Okay, so let's talk about this first scene. First first first kill scene. This guy is chopped in two mm hm and it's several swings. It's not like he just cleaves. I mean he has that hatchet. He's going to town on him, like like in that trapezius muscle like in between his neck and his shoulder. Yeah, and we're just watching this body slowly split apart while she's screaming in terror.

36:06 That is, until her head's ripped open like like like Beetlejuice style, because he grabs like he grabs her jaw and the top of her the roof of her mouth and just rips it apart, just rips her to shreds. I like how the tongue just flaps up and it's just going. So. So again, let's remind if you if you haven't seen this movie, and you and you know, hopefully you know, I'm sorry for spoiling it, but I mean, come on, but we're watching this guy. Get cut into two pieces, decimated, and this is real. This isn't c G. I no, all practical effects, all practical effects. What do you what do you guys think about this one.

36:48 No, I mean it's a great kill. I mean, you you hate to see somebody like you, you feel sorry for somebody of that age and this couple who's just obviously they're on vacation enjoying it and seeing that happen to them, But it's a great way to get rid of them really quick. Yeah, it is. I mean they're totally the sweetest people there are, and it's like, oh, no, you guys are gonna meet it pretty grisy. Listen. Yeah, they're sweet, but they're kind of assholes, like they're on the tour. Every time this guy says something like actually, you know, like you know, like there's always that one person in the group that's like, well, technically this or actually I don't mean to correct you, but it is.

37:30 Richard real is every Wisconsin dad ever born. He definitely is. I Like when earlier when they're like, oh, you're a movie Like they're talking to Joel Shapiro. They're like, what movies have you made? And he's like, oh, you know, by you Beavers and he's like yeah, like he says like yes, as she's going no, no, no, we see you. Richard all right, speaking of Shapiro. His is kind of short and sweet. He gets his head basically twisted. Yeah off, just ripped right off, ripped right off. Yeah, but we get that nice slow, you know, screw twist type action of course until until until it's off. It's that one's a pretty good one, it is, but I feels a little rushed it was.

38:21 But come on, you've got to You got a lot of death coming up, so we got we gotta move, got to move. Okay, Yeah, you talk about a classic ninety minute banger here wet knocking. Speaking of knocking him out, let's move to the third the third kill scene. So our guide the little the little Asian guy who's maybe from the Bayou, but then maybe he's from Hong Kong, but maybe he's actually from Detroit. Yeah. I had fun with this guy because like his accent changes like every two minutes. Yeah, he's an absolute con man. He's my favorite, he's your favorite. Yeah. He's got a pretty gruesome death scene because Victor takes a spade shovel, swings it like a katana sword and hacks off his lower body. And then as he's just stuck he's struggling on the ground, he gets that we we're gonna put it right up to the neck and he's, oh, I hate when this happens when you when you see this.

39:14 I don't know why this makes I don't know why this makes a death scene worse, but when someone is moments from it and they're like and they had that last second pleading like no no no wait wait wait wait wait, you know, like the worst one's probably saving Private Ryne like that that destroys me. Yeah, with a knife, like and the guy say no, no, no, no, no wait wait wait wait this poor kid, Yeah, this poor kid's like wait wait wait, wait, wait wait wait no he I mean Crowley puts all two hundred and fifty pounds onto that size twelve boot and puts puts the kid's head into the ground with it. That that one's brutal because he's he suffered. He was torture, Like he gets some torture and then he gets it, you know, and he has to wait and watch. You know. I like that one. I think that's a good one. But what about the sander. Come on, okay, so sander. I love that one. So the n Yu girl, she takes a belt sander to the face and that didn't kill her.

40:15 She's like slowly trying to crawl away, and then he picks her up and impales her on the shovel that he used to kill the tour boat guide you did, and you get to see her belt sanded face. Now, my favorite thing, my favorite thing about that is what he uses. That belt sander is a gas powered belt sander, which does not exist. They created that for this film. Are you kidding that there's no such thing as a gas powered belt that was? That wasn't. I don't think he's gonna have that come on now, Yeah, here's here's my question. Why does Victor Curley have a belt sanders? You know what is he making out there?

41:01 You know what is he doing that needs a belt stander? A live bit of carpentry? Yeah, okay, uh let's uh n y you girl man her her I would I would say her friend, but let's just let's just call what it is, the other the other Bembo, the blonde mar cities at McNabb's character. Again, I feel like we're kind of balancing, like, hey, we're gonna give you a really brutal, gory one. We're gonna take our time and then we're gonna give you a quick, a quick one, just just like you said. You guys said, we got to knock him out. She kind of gets hacked to pieces. And the what I love about though, it's not that she gets hacked to pieces. It's the fact that Victor Crowley takes parts of her body and throws them at Ben, like when he's trying to like antagonize Ben or stop Ben from running, he's he's throwing body parts. Yeahs her head and then they're like a torso. Yeah, it was great. Oh, it's so good. It is absolutely so good.

42:02 Uh, moving on, hold real quick side note, Mercedes McNab is the paint in that this little girl from Summer Camp from the original Adams Family. Yeah, that's yeah, the girl scout the bitch yeh wow. Well good for her. She she did, she grew up. I'll mind what I say before we move on to to Marcus's death scene. Though. They take they take a minute to set Victor Crowley on fire, which I love. It's they're successful and then the thunderstorm hits and they're like, what didn't mean gotta be kidding. Yeah, that's where we get the line. I gotta wonder though, because we know Kane's had some had some troubles in the past with fire stunts. Yes, I wonder. I wonder if he did this one. I wonder if that was him in in scene or if they if they had someone else, because I didn't, I didn't see it, and I would and I'm not taking anything away from Kane. He probably did do it, but I would hope that, uh, if you had the option not to do it, I would hope that he would he would take it. But I thought that's the first thing I thought of, was like, yeah, yeah, but you know, we've been hanging, We've seen him, we found out with him several times, so we know he's all right. It's you know, But moving on Marcus. I this is another one. I love. Marcus gets his arms ripped off mortal combat style like he's Jack's and and

43:36 then he slammed into that mausoleum for the Green family. And it's not just like it's not like Jason Vore he's taking the girl in the and the sleeping bag slam. I mean he about just he basically destroys this this guy's body. I think it's this stone mausoleum explodes. Yeah, fake you know the thing we're missing. Yep, that one's a good one. And then, uh, do we want to save the we do? We want to add the the the end right here? Do we want to save that one? Let's add it here. Yeah. Well, we talked about the Friday thirteenth homage, you know, so crowdy, Dave, you want to set this well up, set this scene.

44:20 Up for us. So obviously they're floating away, escaping, well they think they're escaping, and Crowley comes up out of the water and grabs Mary Bath and Yankster underwater. So basically obviously Ben's looking for her, freaking out, not going into the water. He's reaching in trying to grab her, and then we go underwater with her, basically what we do. And she's, you know, obviously stuck on some limbs or some trees brushing under the water and can't get out. She looks up, she's a hand coming down under the water to get her, so she reaches up and to get it, comes up out of. The water to only realize that Ben's arm has been ripped off Crowley. Is it? That was awesome? By the way, it was. Yeah, just when you think Ben's gonna make it. Uh, he definitely does not, and we we get yet another limb detachment, which is just this movie is full of them.

45:18 This movie is, let's be honest, this movie. I don't know what do we have more of arms and legs being severed or girls flashing their boobs because it's it's the big easy and like one of those. So well, I won't butt you on the spot and make it clarify. But yeah, we talked about Ben. He's kind of the hero, but maybe he's not. I'm a little bothered by this. When the final girl gets pulled into the water, shouldn't you jump in after her? He's basically leaning on the boat, going Mary Beth, Mary Beth.

46:00 He was the damsel in distress. Okay, yeah, okay, you're right, you're right, all right, I'm picking on Ben too much. I think, Hey, I met him two years ago. He's a great guy. Oh you met Joel? Yeah, yeah, it's super polite. Yeah, it's the time me, Nate and Ben dressed up as a leather face Michael Myers and ghost face. Oh you got that cosplay was amazing. You guys looked fantastic, especially Ben. I'm not talking about Ben the character, but I'm talking about Ben, our friend. Uh. Ben's leatherface is perfect. I mean he was almost like I would, I would Studio should cast him right now for the next night. Yes, absolutely, I will say this about Ben the character, not our buddy talking about these cool death scenes. I will give Ben this credit. Uh, they're they're almost to the boat. Crowley hurls what is it, like a piece of the wrought iron gate from the cemetery. Yep, hurls it at him like a jazz and it lands in his foot. And as he's charging like a bull, this guy pushes he like bends the the rebar. Yeah, which is gonna cause him excruciating pain, but it's just enough of an angle to impale uh Victor Crowley. That's an awesome moment too, it is.

47:22 And then when Victor Crowley, of course it you know, impales him in the shoulder neck area. And then the big exhale blood into Joel's faces. Well, Crowley not not playing fair because even before the blood spatter, cough, the death rattle, that when they're when they're tussling in the cemetery and he's on top of him, and that just I don't know. It's like a that just comes out of his mouth and hits been right in the mouth, Yeah, which cause into vomit. You know, that's why he's got a vomit. But it's again like we we need some splatter, right, we need we need a little bit of splatter gore for a movie like this, And sometimes the gross out stuff isn't you know, you're we're laughing at the bodies being hacked in pieces, but then when we see that slobber mucus slabber come out of his mouth right into bins, I was like, I was so happy. I was I was so happy I had finished my dinner. So, guys, these are some incredible death scenes, some kill scenes, if you will, all practical effects, very realistic like that they are. Am I am, I am I right to say maybe these effects shouldn't look this real, this good in a movie of this caliber.

48:39 And I say that with all respect, of course, absolutely. I think the movie had like a one point five million dollar budget or something like that, so very relatively small in today's day and age. So no for that budget, the actors and as small of a team as they had, No, it's it's brilliant. It is. All right, Garrett, what is the best kill scene in this movie, Hatchet? We've talked about all of them. Let's let's talk about the best one. Now. My favorite's gotta be, uh the wife getting her head ripped in ha. That's pretty awesome for me. You like that? It is? She damn near ends up looking like a Beetlejuice character at the end of the day. All right, that's that's not a bad I can even I can't even say. That's almost like a combo because like her and her husband at the same time, David, your your choice.

49:31 As much as I I much, I enjoyed it. It's it's the standard. Come on, comes the belt stander and just you know, basically sands down her mouth, yeah nothing, and then picks her up and impells her onto another person who got killed by the shovel. Come on that that? Yeah? Oh, there's so many good ones there are. What about you, Jeff, I'm curious, you know, I I I was really starting to think it was gonna be the the shovel murder, the guy the tour boat guide. But when Garrett, now that Garrett's told, like explain like they created a gas powered belt sander just so they could run a belt sander over this woman's face.

50:15 I gotta go belt sander to the face the NYU girl who is not looking too good afterward. No, I absolutely love it. Guys, let's take let's take one more break. Unless you're listening on Patreon, because if you are, I gotta I got a question for for David and Garrett. They don't even know what I'm about to talk about. But if you're not listening on Patreon, here we go. If you're not listening on Patreon, we'll be right back after these messages, or hit pause. Head over to www dot patreon dot com slash a film by podcast. You can sign up for a free seven day trial. Uh so you can hear the kind of conversations that we've been having. You can hear all the the the bonus content, all the all the episodes that we're doing. Dave, you've got the film at fifty limited series that's happening this year.

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51:52 That was. That was. I appreciate you guys. You guys were you know, shooting from the hit there. You didn't you were, I didn't tell you what we're doing. Yeah, it was fun. It wasn't easy, but yeah, I'm still just I'm reeling from the the uh how it played out, you know. I just I just did not think you guys are gonna make the choices that you made. So I can't believe you put us on the spot like that, I know, right, what the heck? A couple of days from now, you guys are be like, hey, listen, I kind of thought about it, and uh, you know what, actually I would I would, you'll you'll go back on or whatever? Sorry, man, it's it's out there too late. Luther. Too late. The Patreon subscribers already heard it. It's too late.

52:33 Can't change it now. All right, back to Adam Green, Garrett, I know the Patreon listeners. You you kind of dropped a quick tidbit on talking with Adam Green briefly, if you, if you would tell us, you know, have you met him? You met him once? You made him twice? Like what you know? How was that? How was his? How? How is Adam Green in person? So I met him at Horror Hound. I want to say it was twenty twenty two, twenty twenty three, somewhere around there, and he had a booth set up right next to Caine Hotter and there was someone else there. I can't remember his perishin, but so didn't see any autograph photo prices on his table. Walk up to him after I'd already met Kane and Perry and all them.

53:18 I was like, hey man, huge fan all that. I was like, but I'm not seeing, like how much you're charging. I was like, I'd like to have you signed my hatchet poster, get a quick picture all that, And he's like, oh man, no charge. He's like, I'm actually just here to see the fans He's like, I'm actually just excited to see what they're like, how my works impacted them. He's like, I've got steel book copies of my films like Frozen or any of the Hatchet series. If you do want to buy those, absolutely fine. He's like, but if you want to picture, if you want to talk, if you wanted an autograph, He's like, oh, that's absolutely free. So got just standing there, talked to him for about fifteen minutes, which was pretty freaking cool, super down earth guy.

53:58 Told a lot of fun stories about working with Kine and the rest of the crew and stuff. So I mean, if I didn't already love his work, I would have loved it like one percent more walking out of that, which I do because he's a great freaking guy. I've gotta tell you, David, we have. We've been on the concercuit for like the last couple of years now, and every year we're like, Okay, we're not gonna, we're not gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna dial it back a little bit, and then the following year we like double the amount of cons were hit. And ever since we watched Hatchet, you know, because we kind of came late to the game on Hatchet. We've been hoping to see this guy at a con, you know. We we we you know Horror Hound, which is uh which is originated in Cincinnat, Ohio. Uh, Scarefest, which is just maybe the super Bowl of horror cons. Uh yea, yeah, you know, Dave we we we were talking to west Forsyth just just a couple of weeks ago, you know, talking about as we as we as we prepare for scare Fest. But the more I read about Adam Green and his fans, like what he what he thinks of of the fans. Mm hmm. This guy he thrives on on on fan interaction, Like he like I read it.

55:14 I was reading up on him. Everyone that read that comments on his social media or sends him emails or whatever. So he says like, hey, there's there's days where I want to quit. There's days when I'm I don't think I'm doing a good job. And you know what, that's when I read the emails, That's when I read the social media post. That's when I open letters or I you know, and I I see what the fans do and I see what they say. And he goes that gets me going at tells me I'm I'm doing a good job and I need to keep going. So I am. You know, Garrett, I I love that you got to talk with him the way you did, and I can only hope that the rest of us get to get a shot to have a conversation with him. Yeah. Well, that said, if someone was unfamiliar, if someone watches Hatchet and they're like this Adam Green, guy, give me, give me some more, like, Garrett, what are you? What are you gonna recommend?

56:03 I'm gonna tell him right now, check out the film called Frozen. Not not the Disney film, of course, but let it go. Yeah, go check out Adam Green's Frozen. Such. I think it's a masterpiece. I think it's got great pacing, it's very uh suspenseful, and it's got some pretty cool scenes in there as well. Of course, of all four of his Hatchet films, Okay, that's. And uh Frozen, that's the one that's the thriller where the people are stuck on the ski left overnight. Right. Oh yeah, okay, all right, Well, I gotta you know, Dave pointed out at the top of the hour, you know, he referenced screamed that there there are certain rules, certain rules.

56:49 There are certain rules. So I'm sorry, Garrett, Uh we can you can you can have you can have Frozen. You can't have three more picks and then go with the hatchets. Here, Okay, get you get three, I'll go Frozen, I'll go the first Hatchet film, and then I'm gonna go Victor Crowley because some of the kills in that fourth one are absolutely insane. All right, now here's where you're happy because uh remember they've seen Hatchet and they want to see three more. Like, what are you gonna Inrod, So you don't have to pick a hatchet? You can you can pick hatchet two or hatchet three. Now all right, well we're going round you know three, I'm gonna say three and four there Now you just what has Yeah, Dave helped him out.

57:34 Maybe maybe maybe you'll get one of the other ones for him. What are you gonna recommend, Dave? Well, Frozen is a good one, so that's obviously a higher recommendation. His one of his earlier films. Spiral check that one out. Yeah, okay, you know it's one of his early films. And then I'm gonna have to say, I'll have to go with Victor Crowley for my third ye. All right, well obviously it's no no surprise, we're gonna we're gonna recommend this one. Oh yeah, but you guys, what'd you guys? Do you guys own this one or where you see it? As saw it when they first released it on is like Cinemax or something in like two thousand and seven, and they start streaming it pretty much instantly once it got released in the United States. But I own this steel book for film series now.

58:24 Nice, So it's the whole collection. Yes, I gotta get that. Dave. What about you, Joe? Where'd you Where'd you catch this one to be? That's where I watched it? Yep. I love to be me too, me too. I feel like be reaching out and you know, like, hey, let's talk sponsorship because we do a lot of love too. I will. I will tell you right now, Jeff, if you haven't seen the other ones, two and three are free right now on Amazon Prime. Oh okay, the fourth one you're gonna have to pay for, but you know you watch two and three for free there. I'll tell you. I'm about to just go uh Sight Unseen and get the Still Book box set like you got. I love the first one. I'm like, and you guys already told me, like, Hey, Mary Beth played by Daniel Harris moved forward, and you mentioned Derek Mears in the second one, So what you know, what's not the like?

59:14 I mean, you've got more Tony todd in the second one. You've got Tyler Maine, You've got Derrick Mears. All four films have Perry Shinn and I'm playing different He's back every time. Yes, and my new. Favorite, my new favorite Scooby Doo villain. Uh, the Reverend Zombie. Tony Todds is in all of them? Is he still playing the Reverend Zombie and all of. Them in the second one? He uh, that's the last when he's in. I gave Sheridan's in the fourth one, which is awesome. In that one, what's her name, FeliCa Rose? I think, yeah, she's in the fourth one. Yeah. Yeah, So they've they've got a pretty good cast across the board.

59:59 Definitely a lot of cameos throughout all four films. And yeah, they're worth checking out for sure. Ye. Well, I definitely am gonna check them out. Listen if you're a fan of slasher films that lean into the splatter as much as they do the comedy. The Hatchet series is a great one to watch. And I say that just with the first one, but you guys have have already sold me on the whole series. And one more thing fun fact about Adam Green. Guys, he has got one of the biggest and most popular podcasts. He's he's in our world too. He co hosts a podcast called The Movie Crypt with his buddy Joe Lynch where they discuss horror movies. So listeners, I know, it seems like every October our number Spike Dave, because we cover nothing but horror films, and we you know, we get a lot of people listening in. But listeners not the not to you know, show you away. But if you want more, you know, Green's the Movie Crypt podcast is out there. Uh guys, he gets on average, there's he gets in between three and five hundred thousand uh downloads a week.

1:01:11 Wow. So he's a little he's a little bit bit, a little bit a little mister Green. We're right behind you, then we're coming, So we're coming for you. Oh man, Well, listeners, what do you think of Hatchett. Have you seen it? Have you seen the sequels? You can let us know on social media. You'll find us on Facebook, Instagram, and x. You can check out a film by Podcast dot com for all the episodes streaming on the platform of your choice. Uh, there's some uh some fun articles there. We have, Dave. We gotta get better at that. Uh. We we were writing a bunch and then we I guess we got busy going to cons and we did kind of a little bit. That's a right, that's sorry. Wayne, Wayne, Wayne's Waye's Wayne's gonna help us out. Yep. And uh and Angela who just joined the team not too long ago. Uh, she's like, yeah, I'm gonna write I'm gonna write some movie reviews. So she'll be she'll she'll be helping himself.

1:02:04 Yeah yeah, but check that out. Listeners. You can also write to us at a Film by Podcast at gmail dot com with your questions, comments and concerns. We might just read your response on the show, and if we do, we will send you some of a film by swag. Guys. I want to thank you both for having a great conversation. Adam Green Caine, Hodter Hatchet and all all all else in between that we covered today. This was this was a fun one, man, it was. I knew it was gonna be fun because this is a fun film. Yeah. Absolutely, it's such a great film, and you know, just getting to talk about it with a few great gentlemen much like myself, it's a pleasure, honestly.

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