Alex Garland - Men

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You know, when you're when you're
talking about like the nineties and you see

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that that that dimension logo, you
knew you were gonna get a good scary

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movie. Absolutely, And it's been
a while since we've had that. But

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I kind of feel like like A
twenty four has has taken up the mantle

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of like the premiere, like I
don't want to say like the modern horror

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film, but when you see that
A twenty four logo, you know you're

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gonna get something good. And they've
done a ton of stuff, but you

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know, they've done like twenty horror
movies at this point, maybe maybe more.

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Do you have a favorite from A
twenty four? I do if that

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brings the bell at all? Hereditary. I absolutely love that film, very

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unique, one of those films that
you probably don't want to watch too many

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times because it's just but yeah,
that's probably my favorite one. I've seen

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that one once in the theater.
Big mistake getting food to take into the

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theater. Not the kind of film
you want to be doing that with it.

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It's a stellar film, very creepy. I don't know that I ever

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want to see it again now.
No, And you know, like like

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Midsommar is a little like that.
Yep. Although I could watch that one

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again because of Florence Pugh, I
think, oh yeah, that's not forget

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about X Well. I'm glad,
I'm glad you bring that one up because

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that would be my go to for
like my favorite. I'm not saying it's

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the best horror film they've done.
Definitely my favorite though, because that when

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the one gave off like a Texas
Chancell vibe absolutely away, which yes,

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absolutely, I do want to talk
about a twenty four film today. Let's

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talk about a film by Alex Garland, his twenty twenty two underrated folk horror

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film Men. Hello everybody, and
welcome back to a film by a podcast.

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I'm Jeff Johnson, David Burns,
Dave. We have got i'll set

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controversial film today to talk about.
I think, so Alex Garland, who

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I know we've got his new one
is dropping this Friday, Civil War.

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I know we have talked about that
one. We were both excited for that

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one, but we thought, hey, let's talk, let's talk Alex Garland.

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He's because he's got a pretty impressive
filmography. Yep. I know it's

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a stunted as it is, but
but definitely definitely excited to talk about men

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because this one, this one was
one that you and I had not seen

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no prior. I knew nothing about
it, nothing, nothing about it.

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Yeah, I'll tell you what.
Before we get into this movie, I

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do want to take a brief moment. I want to shout out one of

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our listeners, Josh Avery from Michigan
automatically Dave, I'm wondering, does Josh

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Avery go to the Motor City Comic
Con? I hope so. I mean

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we've been going there for a couple
of years now. Yeah, Josh,

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if you're listening, if you haven't
been to MotorCity Comic Con this may,

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I think you need to go because
we're going to be there again. We're

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gonna have to meet up with you. But listen, I bring up Josh

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because Dave, he sent us a
really nice email. All right, yeah,

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Josh writes, I absolutely love your
podcast and give it a five star

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rating. With recent episodes about union
movies, Norma Ray, and coming of

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age movies, I would recommend Blue
Collar by Paul Schrader and Heaven Help Us

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from nineteen eighty four as a coming
of age movie. Keep the great episodes

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coming Fan for Life. All right, good email, joh Yeah, very

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nice email, Josh. Thank you. We obviously appreciate your support. We

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love that you're out there listening.
We thank you for the suggestions, Dave,

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You and I were talking a little
while ago about Paul Schrader and yeah,

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you know we're taking a look at
Blue Collar. So it sounds like

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a good time to mean, Josh, keep an eye on that mailbox because

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we are going to send you some
fun stuff for your support and for the

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suggestions. And uh, Dave,
back to the film men. Yes,

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first off, are we are we
gonna go spoiler free this time? I

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think now we well, I mean
we can't. I feel like we need,

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I need, we need to talk
about the movie. We do.

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So here's here's my suggestion. You
know, if you're listening to us right

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now, go see the movie first
before you listen to us talk about this

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because it really needs to be seen
and not know what's going to happen until

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it does happen, and because you
should be shocked like we were. Yeah,

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this movie and this movie came out
in twenty twenty two correct. It's

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currently streaming on Paramount Plus on Showtime
yeah, yeah, check it outf you

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want to go spoiler free, because
we gotta, we gotta dive into this

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one. We do, Dave.
Let it Let the listeners know what this

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one's about. What haunts you will
find you. After a tragic loss,

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Harper leaves her home in London and
takes a trip to the English countryside,

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where she stays by herself in a
manner that she has rented. It is

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here she stays to try and deal
with emotions and memories that are haunting her,

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but ending this puts her into a
position to deal with even more than

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she could possibly imagine. This is
a folk horror film that truly dives into

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the depths of one's self. That's
a good spoiler free assessment of what this

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one's about. Yeah, let's talk. Let's talk cast and crew. So

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our lead Jesse Buckley as Harper.
Yep, Dave. She's currently filming The

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Bride opposite Christian Bales Frankenstein's Monster.
Oh yeah, looking forward to Maggie Gillenhall

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directing this one. Yep. Did
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I sure did, and it looks
fantastic. I cannot wait to see this

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one. Cannot wait I read the
synopsis. It sounds awesome, and she

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looks fantastic as the bride of Frankenstein. She does. Yeah, she looks

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fantastic in this right, she was
very fantastic in this. One. Thing

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I learned recently about Jesse Buckley,
I didn't know much about her at all,

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Jeff. Apparently she is an Irish
singer and actress who apparently came in

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second place in the BBC Talent Show
themed television series. I did do anything.

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I didn't know that about her.
So, yeah, but I thought

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she did a really good job in
this as Harper as the lead in this

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film. Yeah, I fantastic performance. She is a woman who is clearly

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dealing with some serious issues. Oh
god. Yah, but I love that

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she is not She's not doing that
typical damsel distress thing. I feel like

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she's pretty brave. She's pretty fierce
in this movie. The things that she

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does. Yeah, in the film. And I'm not talking like, you

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know, again, we're not get
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talking about the actions that she takes. But I'm just talking like she's in

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a strange land. She wanders off
into the woods that tunnel scene, Are

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you serious. That was the creepiest
thing for me. Man, that whole

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tunnel scene. You know, when
she's in the trailer are you gonna see

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it? But when she's doing like
the voicing to echo down the tunnel and

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you get that really weird sound,
then they use that in the score later

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on. Ye I'm like, you
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that tunnel scene still creepy, you're
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to make it even creepier later down
the road. I love that such an

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awesome scene because she's she's like self
harmonizing, yeah, and letting the echoes

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catch up with one another. But
still, you know, horror films tell

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you don't go down, no,
don't go down that tunnel, what's wrong

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with you? And the one shot
that Alex Garland did with where you show

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that the background was like, you
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You just saw her and then it
would, you know, she would

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go out of focus and then the
background came into focus and saw that guy

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sitting there and then stand up and
start running towards her. Dude, no,

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no, thanks, no, thank
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will get to this a little bit
later. But it's creepy as hell,

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but it's gorgeous. The cinematography in
this is gorgeous. I'll save that.

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I just want to I'll put a
pin in that. But yep, yeah,

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loving, loving what Jesse Buckley's doing
here. I it sounds like you

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know more about her than I do. But I'm definitely looking forward to seeing

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more of her work. And I'm
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I've seen her in this one.
Absolutely. And here's the craziest thing too

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about Jesse Buckley. Yeah, she
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Jeff, but she reminds me of
somebody I dated about ten years ago.

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Oh really, it looks almost just
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watching her on screen, I kept
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dated, and it was it just
it felt so surreal the entire film.

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Oh boy, here comes con Wan. Let's talk about Rory Kennear. He

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had many different roles in this film, Jeff. So he's credited as Jeffrey.

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Yeah, he's like the innkeeper or
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guess you know this. Let's get
real quick. She she rents this house

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like you said in your in your
synopsis, Yep, and it's I mean,

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it's a gorgeous house, youtiful.
I love this house, English countryside.

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They shot this movie in the UK, obviously, Yep. And he's

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kind of like the owner who's got
a cottage down the road a bit.

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He is, like you said,
he's he's playing quite a few people because,

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uh you know, we're we're going
spoilers here. Every guy in the

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village is played by Roy Kanear.
It took me a little bit to realize

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that too, Like I'm like,
I'm wait a minute, why does that

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look like Rory again? And then
I just put that out of my mind

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and then it happened again. I'm
like, is he playing every guy?

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He there's you know the scene where
the police are called. I was like,

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is that? Oh? I bet
their brothers? No they're not,

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because the vicar and that little shithead
kid, Oh creepy, super creepy can

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here. I know him as Tanner
from the the Daniel Craig Bond films.

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Yes, he was. He was, I believe, wasn't it It was?

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It was all of them, It
was all of them. Okay,

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Yeah, he's he played uh M's
chief of staff and that's where I recognize

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him. Yeah, hard to recognize
him in this one because he has I

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mean it's weird because it's not like
there he's under heavy prosthetics. No,

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but just the change in hair,
yeah, change in the in teeth,

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a change in just these subtle things
facial hair. Yeah, this guy is

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off the charts with his acting because
none of them you're not like, ah,

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I know, that's that's him.
That's him, right, I mean

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a halfway film, like wait a
minute, you know, as you start

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connecting the dots, he is.
He is a perfect example of an actor

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who can just mold into something you
don't know who you're watching at that point.

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And I'm telling you he did so
good as Jeffrey at the beginning because

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he was so awkward man. You
know it was that, you know,

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he would make like those little odd
humor comments. Yeah, and when he

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wasn't getting the reaction he was expecting, he would react awkwardly. It was

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so old. He's so awkward.
He is. Just listen if if the

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MCU is ever planning to use the
Chameleon as a villain, yes, hey,

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hey, hey, Kevin, take
a look at Roy Can here,

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because absolutely. He nails it here, man, he does. Yeah.

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Also that his one comment that really
made me bust out laughing was when he

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was talking about the pub, he
said that the pub is ten minutes a

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walk, thirty minutes back. Yeah, I did, I did. He's

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I mean, he's I don't know
what to make of him in the beginning,

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because he's either he's awkward and he's
kind of sheepish and it's like you

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could tell he's he's attracted to her, but he's trying to watch his steps.

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Yep. And he for the for
most of the movie, he's he's

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kind of like our protector character.
He's the guy like we trust him,

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right, Yeah, Yeah, Okay, Hey, well you know, Jeffrey's

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here, so things are going to
be okay until they're not. They're not

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talk about things not being okay.
Let's talk about briefly. Let's talk about

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Papa Asia Do, who plays the
ex husband James. Great performance, jeff

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Oh my gosh, that scene in
the apartment where they're arguing with one another.

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Yes, Oh my gosh, that
was so well done man between the

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two actors, so good. This
guy is an absolute psychopath in the movie.

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And I had some fun. Earlier, I was just was pulling up

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some I was trying to do some
digging on him. And you know,

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he's on the Graham Norton Show and
he's on a couple other things, and

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he is one of the most charming, charismatic guys I've ever seen in an

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interview, Like I even I even
saw one where they were kind of talking

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him up as like potentially the next
James Bond, and he's you know,

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he's got the great actions. He's
like, someone's got to play James Bond.

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Why not? You know? He
he was so fun and I'm like,

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man, where this is not who
I watched on screens because all that

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guy was was terrifying, right yeah, oh yeah, yeah absolutely, But

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I haven't haven't seen him do anything. I think he's like a theater actor,

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British theater. So keep your eye
on that guy, because I think

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he's going places for sure. I
think he's done a lot of British stuff

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obviously because he's a British actor.
But yeah, keep your eye over him,

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for sure. Yeah. I'd love
to talk more cast with you,

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but seeing is how Roy Kaneer plays
about nine of the cast, right,

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I guess let's just move on to
uh, you know, we don't talk

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we don't talk crew as much as
we should, but I do want to

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talk for a minute about the director
of photography, Rob Hardy. Oh Man,

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I tell you, first off,
this guy's got some talent. His

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shots in this film are just absolutely
stunning of the beautiful, of the beautiful

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English scenery. Can we just say
how lush the greens, how vivid that

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color is. And they did that
on purpose, Yeah, they did that

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to pull you in, to be
feeling safe with that that bright greenery.

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Dave, how often is it where
you see a horror film that makes outside

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look safe and inviting and inside look
terrifying because it's backwards. It's backwards.

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Yeah, we're dealing with like reds
and greens basically. Yep. When we're

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outside, it is beautiful countryside,
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like the like our planet that brighton. Yeah, but when you're outside,

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like the manor house that she's staying
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yeah, dark reds and sunset orange. Yeah, it was like a but

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it was like a like nuclear orange
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just the shots that Rob Hardy does
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Dave Well, I mean he's done
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including the new one that's coming out, Civil War. But I know him

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from Mission Impossible Fallout, which is
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that he has done, and all
of his work is fantastic. Yeah,

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yep, yeah, yeah, so
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Anything that Alex Garland has directed,
this guy has shot. I did

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see an interview with Alex Garland where
he said that they work well together because

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they've developed a shorthand for communicating and
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and they are you know, not
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Robertarty, because I'm not going to
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shots in there's like, oh I
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awesome. Absolutely, Yeah. You
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you know, because I you know, I'm usually your go to guy

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behind the lens, and that's right. I could learn from Rob Hardy,

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you know. You know there's a
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that just really wowed me. One
of them was the tunnel that we talked

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about, where you had the out
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thing going on. Huh. But
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there's a couple more that I absolutely
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camera is just floating behind her as
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to the tunnel. Yeah, we're
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and you know she was in focus. I love that shot. But

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then when she's running back from the
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yes, and then she comes running
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we see that imagery, that dandelion
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there's a reason for that because dandy
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a big part of this movie towards
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and you're like, when you go
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pay attention to how often you see
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we get with it. Yeah,
it's almost a character in the movie,

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honestly. Yeah, even even the
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the apple when she first arrived,
oh, apple tree, within a lot

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of shots in that movie, if
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it's a it's that religious imagery.
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only woman in town, it seems
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and that whole eve and the forbidden
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even mentions the you know that that
that moment was tense, you know,

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like it was in the garden and
then he was just joking, you're not

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you're not to do that, and
then he's a forbidden fruit. Yeah,

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Like, but he's awkward. He
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conversation with anyone? Apparently, I'll
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when we get back, we'll talk
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and we got to talk a little
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movie Welcome Back. We're talking about
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He wrote the screenplay directly after finishing
his script for Danny Boyle's two thousand

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and seven film Sunshine. So it's
been sitting in the drawer for a little

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while. Yeah, you do that
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you know, And I think that's
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starts apparently I want to talk about
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because this is something that he has
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a long time. Maybe that's why
this this script was collecting dust in the

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in the drawer for a little bit. But I'm glad. I'm glad he

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got it out there because for those
of you that don't know, So we

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got to address this real quick.
In the church, there's a great scene

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where she's in the church. There
is this very unsettling sculpture statue. You

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know, one side is the green
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female form. So anyways, the
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I don't happen to know this off
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not that good. But the green
Man is a legendary figure dating back thousands

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of years, sometimes associated with paganism
and other ancient cultures. The figure is

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widely seen as a representation of rebirth
and spring. That's why the face is

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kind of like a kind of leafy, you know, it's all about the

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cycles, it's all about the seasons. Despite the origins up for the figure,

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the green Man is often seen throughout
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Christian churches. Uh. In the
film the green Man, carvings are shown

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beside uh, the female carving,
which is I'm hoping I'm saying this right,

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Sheila na Gigs And that's like the
naked figure that's positioned rather crudely.

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I guess I could say, yeah, yeah, but these carvings, they're

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traditionally seen as grotesques to warn off
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know, because we kind of come
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the the one what don call him
the homeless guy, the creepy, scary

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naked guy out in the field,
he kind of becomes the like we're watching,

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like every time we get back to
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evolve into the Green Man. He's
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this. Yes, oh yeah,
he's doing this. I mean by the

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end, he looks like it's he's
like something out of Hell Racer. Yeah,

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you know, because he's cut himself
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twigs into his and his skin.
Very disgusting. But and apparently Garland was

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heavily involved in that character. I
guess it was really important to Garland that

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he got this right. Wow.
He allowed uh Rory to you know,

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flesh out the character a little bit
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that. But Garland actually with applying
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him. Is that not crazy?
I that's the directors doing the makeup.

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he he was so involved with that,

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and it was very important to him. Just like you said, you know,

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he wanted to put a movie around
the Green Man, so it was

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important him that it looked just the
way he wanted it to. This movie

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deals with u with several themes,
but the overall theme is kind of maybe

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it's a masculine toxicity that could be
maybe part of it, part of it.

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I think here's a here's the thing, it's it's this one's really open

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to interpretation. I got a great
quote, I know, I know when

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a film with forty five you always
you and Scott a was dropping great,

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great quotes. So this is what
Alex Garland has to say about the movie.

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He says, so is it that
Harper sees all men as the same

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whilst they are in fact different?
Or is it all men are the same

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and she does not see that?
There are two questions that sound very similar

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but have completely different inferences. Because
when you think, I mean, that's

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pretty brilliant of him, it is. It is, you know. And

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I think if you take all of
that as well, and you take her

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dealing with all those internal demons that
she has coping with them, grief and

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pain and all of that, and
her having to you know, deal with

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all of that in the the it
makes sense when you break it down as

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the film of what the meaning is
that we get at the end of this.

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At least that's the way I see
it. You know, you got

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to live with it, right,
Yeah, she's she's had a traumatic experience.

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You know, the argument she's arguing
with her husband about a divorce.

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He threatens to kill himself. He's
basically blackmailing. He's like, if you

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if you do this, I'll kill
myself. It is a fault. Yeah,

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it's all your fault and you'll have
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he is, I mean, he
is packing some serious baggage for a

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guilt trip. And you're I mean, your heart breaks for him because she

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or because she's crying, and she's
like, you can't say that, don't

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say that to me. Things escalate. He doesn't smack it like we've seen

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movies where a guy will like backhand
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and punches her or hard puts her
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I love, though, that she
doesn't cower. She jumps right back

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up, starts screaming, and kicks
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then we know what happens, you
know, because he's gonna go up,

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he's gonna take another floor up,
and then he's gonna take several floors down.

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feel like, I mean, I'm

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watching this and I'm trying to piece
it together and figure out what I'm wanting

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the movie to be. I kind
of feel like all the men in this

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town are different aspects of toxic male
traits. Yeah, you know, like

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the cop doesn't really believe her and
everything's fine, you know, he's not

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really concerned. The vicar for those
of us in the States, that's that's

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a it's like a priest, clergyman. He's kind of guilting her, like

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maybe it was your fault, what
happened to him? Yeah, that whole

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scene, Are you kidding me?
Yeah, I just I've oh, man,

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she's in the church, she's upset. She meets the creepy kid version

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wearing the girl may wearing that wearing
that female mask. That was scary.

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I'm sorry, a twelve year old
sitting there with that that almost looks like

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one of the strangers. Yeah,
oh yeah, you're right, you're right,

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played by Rory. And you know, like that kid's little, you

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know, he's a little he's a
dick, you know, you know,

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calls it, calls her a name, and and you're like, oh,

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it's okay. The priest is here. You know, he's gonna take care

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of us. And then Dave when
he's you know, and I'm like,

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I'm in on the priest. At
that point, I'm like, Okay,

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this, maybe he's gonna be a
good guy. Maybe he's gonna be there

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for when he laid that hand on
her on her knee a little too,

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a little too sexually, I was
like, Okay, he's a creep.

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And then he starts tearing her down
mentally, you know. So I kind

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of feel like she's dealing with her
grief over the death of James, the

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husband character, the ex husband.
We should say, I feel like she's

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dealing with her grief, but but
she's seeing like all the bad, all

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the all the ways men can be
can be evil. Maybe that makes sense.

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It does, It makes perfect sense. And you know, the more

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think about what I watch in this
film, that makes it a lot more

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believable what she was going through and
what she was witnessing and what she was

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seeing. So man, this is
like, you need to go back and

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watch this movie again. It's a
mind bender, it is, for sure,

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because we're like, you know,
we're with the naked homeless man for

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a little bit, so it almost
feels like, Okay, you're setting me

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up for a home invasion thriller.
Yeah, But then we're seeing stuff and

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then it's like it starts to feel
supernatural because things are there, but then

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they're not there. Yep. And
then then it's like, okay, so

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are we inside of her head?
And ultimately I decided that a lot of

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what's going on is inside her head. Agreed, that's exactly what that's That's

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how I'm looking at it. Yep, absolutely all right. The one scene

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that she was on the film with
her friend, yeah, and which there

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was a couple of scenes where she
was on the film with her friend,

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but the one that I was talking
about, like when she was, you

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know, talking to her about bringing
because she's coming out to her you know,

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yeah, the address to get out
there and the phone kept breaking up

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and those kind of things, and
then she was talking about the axe behind

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her and she's like what acts she
like turns and looks in his back there,

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you know what. That was foreshadowing
something's coming up that she's going to

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need that axe for. But it
was just so creepy in itself, and

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just an axe that was behind her
because you're like, what the what the

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hell is going on here, just
creepy back to Rob Harty shots some of

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that Cat and Mouse the film work
where she's on her laptop, she's on

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her phone. Oh and the creepy, scary naked man is is kind of

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meandering about in the garden and getting
closer almostly. He's he's almost like Michael

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Myers at this point because he's there
and then she turns around he's not there,

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and I just I love it.
Yeah, that all of those shots

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were brilliantly well done, and you're
you're hanging on the edge. You're like,

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when when is she going to see
him? When is she going to

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see him? And then you know
she catches him out in the backyard with

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the apple tree. Uh, the
apple tree coming in to play again.

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But later on down the road when
you get you know, the big fight

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and stuff like that, if you
want to call her that. When the

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lights were going off and on in
the back you know, it reminded me

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of the motion the motion light.
Yes, like the scene from Halloween when

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Michael Myers was you know in the
when the lights were going off and on,

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and then he was there and he
kept moving closer. You're talking about

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twenty eighteens. Yes, yeah,
and they did the same way in this

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film where the lights would go off
and he's gone, likes to come on

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and then something else was going to
happen. The one that got me,

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Jeff, was when the lights went
off and she's outside and the lights came

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back on and he just comes running
at her like the cameras a POV and

406
00:29:44.200 --> 00:29:47.640
it's just running at her, so
you know something's coming at her, and

407
00:29:47.680 --> 00:29:49.480
she turns around and takes off running. Man, I was like, holy

408
00:29:49.640 --> 00:29:55.440
crapt Yeah, I mean he's like
a wild animal charging. Oh that was

409
00:29:55.519 --> 00:29:56.680
that was so good. You know, you brought up the apple tree,

410
00:29:56.680 --> 00:30:00.680
and the more I think about the
apple tree again, I feel like that

411
00:30:00.680 --> 00:30:08.400
that the the symbolism there is you
know, it is she or is she

412
00:30:08.480 --> 00:30:11.240
not guilty? Yeah? You know, is she to blame? You know

413
00:30:11.359 --> 00:30:15.359
the whole even the apple the you
know, the you know, the first

414
00:30:15.400 --> 00:30:19.680
sin if you will. So this
movie really does a number on your on

415
00:30:19.720 --> 00:30:25.920
your head where you know who's who
really is who's to blame? Who should

416
00:30:25.920 --> 00:30:27.599
be guilty? Because it's not her? No, but the movie, the

417
00:30:27.640 --> 00:30:30.480
movie hints at it like maybe it
is her. Yeah, but that's what

418
00:30:30.519 --> 00:30:34.000
she's dealing with. And that's exactly
what Alex Garland's trying to get you as

419
00:30:34.000 --> 00:30:37.400
a you know, to be with
her, to be involved with her,

420
00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:41.440
to you know, adapt to her, to attach herself to her. Basically,

421
00:30:41.799 --> 00:30:45.400
that's what he's doing. He wants
to twist her mind thinking is she

422
00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:48.480
at fault? No, she's not
her fault, because that's exactly how she's

423
00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:52.680
feeling. Yeah, which is brilliant. It is absolutely brilliant. I mean,

424
00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:55.960
this is you know, I know
we're gonna get to his filmography here

425
00:30:55.960 --> 00:31:00.359
in a little bit, but it's
like everything he does really makes you think.

426
00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:04.039
It does and when you when you're
talking about it, Like when we

427
00:31:04.079 --> 00:31:10.039
talk about sci fi movies and horror
films, more often than not, they're

428
00:31:10.079 --> 00:31:15.960
not built to make us think,
right, Alex Garland does that though,

429
00:31:15.319 --> 00:31:18.559
whether he's doing horror or whether he's
doing sci fi, he makes you think.

430
00:31:18.920 --> 00:31:22.480
Yeah. And Jeff, we got
to talk about the elephant that's in

431
00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:27.839
the room with this movie, and
that's the whole rebirth thing seen, which

432
00:31:29.079 --> 00:31:33.240
was very very hard to watch.
One thing that I want to talk about

433
00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:37.200
this whole movie in general before we
really dive into that, is this movie

434
00:31:37.359 --> 00:31:41.640
will put you on edge. It
will make you feel sick to your stomach,

435
00:31:42.200 --> 00:31:47.519
it will make it will unnerve you, which is exactly what Alex Garland

436
00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:51.759
wants to do. And by the
time it got to it into this film,

437
00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:55.519
well, when the whole birthing stuff
was happening, I'm like, why

438
00:31:55.559 --> 00:31:59.279
am I watching this? This is
the most disgusting thing in the entire world.

439
00:31:59.640 --> 00:32:01.640
But is wait? Is this when
you sent me a message, yes,

440
00:32:01.680 --> 00:32:05.119
and said, what the hell are
you making me? Watch? Right?

441
00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:07.720
Yes, that's exactly what I did. I sent you that message.

442
00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:09.640
I was like, why are you
making? What am I watching? But

443
00:32:09.759 --> 00:32:15.200
you know, once that scene was
over with, and by the time I

444
00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:19.440
got to the end of this film, I really in the credit for rolling

445
00:32:19.720 --> 00:32:22.599
and I was done with it.
I really stepped back and started thinking about

446
00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:28.559
this movie, and I'm like,
holy crap, this director got me every

447
00:32:28.599 --> 00:32:32.519
emotion I should have felt in this
movie. I felt it. I absolutely

448
00:32:32.640 --> 00:32:37.920
exactly through the eyes of Harper.
And that's exactly what Alex Garland wanted to

449
00:32:37.960 --> 00:32:40.039
do. So in the end,
when I was kind of grossed out by

450
00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:45.519
this movie and not liking this movie, I liked this movie. We mentioned

451
00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:51.000
okay, we've been talking about A
twenty four. The production company, this

452
00:32:51.640 --> 00:32:54.200
is the team that gave us Hereditary, This is the team that gave us

453
00:32:54.680 --> 00:33:01.119
Midsommar. And those are two of
the most unsettling, unnerving. I'm glad

454
00:33:01.160 --> 00:33:02.880
I watched it, but I don't
know if I ever want to watch it

455
00:33:02.880 --> 00:33:07.920
again. Type of horror films that
I think I've ever seen, and Men

456
00:33:08.039 --> 00:33:12.160
is up there with them, you
know, when we're talking at the end,

457
00:33:12.200 --> 00:33:16.680
this this this birthing scene, this
continuous birthing scene. It's very much

458
00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:22.960
body horror, and like a David
Cronenberg fashion, right, because you're seeing,

459
00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:29.400
you're seeing like all these characters that
she's been dealing with, like one

460
00:33:29.720 --> 00:33:34.359
begets the next one, and they're
they're kind of they're berthing out of out

461
00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:36.799
of the out of one another,
you know, like, so we've got

462
00:33:36.799 --> 00:33:40.559
the we've got we've got the cop, and then he kind of births the

463
00:33:40.720 --> 00:33:45.640
uh you know, the kid,
and the kid births the vicar, and

464
00:33:45.759 --> 00:33:50.000
you know it's just over and over
again. It's hard. Yeah, it's

465
00:33:50.039 --> 00:33:52.519
hard to watch. But did you
pay attention? Did did you even did

466
00:33:52.640 --> 00:33:58.319
even uh did you even connect the
injuries? You know, the hand injury

467
00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:01.559
with with that James on the on
the hand, the split open split.

468
00:34:01.640 --> 00:34:07.280
Yeah. I didn't get it till
the end because when when you see James's

469
00:34:07.280 --> 00:34:13.760
corpse in a flashback, I mean
it's grizzly because he doesn't just fall,

470
00:34:13.840 --> 00:34:15.079
you know, he you know,
you know, we're did he did he

471
00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:20.880
commit suicide or did he slip and
fall off the balcony above? We don't

472
00:34:20.920 --> 00:34:23.239
know, And that's another one of
the questions that she's wrestling with. But

473
00:34:23.320 --> 00:34:30.280
he lands on like a wrought iron
gate basically, and uh, not too

474
00:34:30.280 --> 00:34:34.599
comfortably, No, not at all. But this birthing scene, man,

475
00:34:37.039 --> 00:34:42.079
I love the fact that she know
she she injures. Well, well,

476
00:34:42.119 --> 00:34:45.480
I guess we'll just say Jeffrey because
that's where he's everyone, right, Yeah,

477
00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:50.440
when she rams that knife through his
hand and then he's like stuck in

478
00:34:50.480 --> 00:34:54.159
the mail slot and oh my god, oh boy. That whole time is

479
00:34:54.159 --> 00:34:57.599
he's pulling his hand out and he
can't get it through the mail slot.

480
00:34:57.599 --> 00:35:01.559
Because I was I was grinding my
teeth. I was like I wanted,

481
00:35:01.599 --> 00:35:04.440
I wanted to look away, but
I didn't want. I'm missing it,

482
00:35:05.119 --> 00:35:08.480
Like, let's get on with it, get on with it. Yeah,

483
00:35:10.239 --> 00:35:14.000
I don't know, man, it
was tough. It was tough to watch,

484
00:35:14.320 --> 00:35:20.239
but not not overtly gross, like
it's gory. It's disturbing. It's

485
00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:24.599
disturbing. It should be. Yeah, Like, I don't know that I'll

486
00:35:24.599 --> 00:35:28.280
ever watch it this movie again.
I know I'll want to at some point,

487
00:35:28.440 --> 00:35:30.639
but it's one of those like I'm
gonna remember, just like Hereditary,

488
00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:37.920
I will always remember the disturbing imagery
from that movie. Of course, even

489
00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:40.119
if I never watch it for like
another twenty or thirty years, it'll it

490
00:35:40.199 --> 00:35:44.280
stays with you. I think this
one stays with you. These kind of

491
00:35:44.320 --> 00:35:50.079
movies will imprint themselves on your brain, and that's exactly what it it's supposed

492
00:35:50.119 --> 00:35:52.679
to do. So down the road, you're never gonna forget it. You're

493
00:35:52.719 --> 00:35:58.119
not. There's no way. Dave, what would you what would you say

494
00:35:58.239 --> 00:36:02.559
would be the pivotal scene in this
film? Jeff, there's so many there's

495
00:36:02.559 --> 00:36:06.519
so many good things in this because
this movie kind of it starts off,

496
00:36:06.559 --> 00:36:09.079
you know, her walking around,
you know, exploring the area of the

497
00:36:09.079 --> 00:36:13.800
countryside, those kind of things,
and then you start diving into the little

498
00:36:13.800 --> 00:36:15.280
bit of the horror of it with
the tunnel and those kind of things.

499
00:36:16.519 --> 00:36:21.599
I'm gonna have to For me,
I have to go with just because how

500
00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:27.280
pivotal it is, is the whole
birthing thing man, just because it was

501
00:36:27.360 --> 00:36:34.480
just so disturbing, so gross,
so you want to turn your head away

502
00:36:34.480 --> 00:36:37.480
from it. But then when you
get to the end of it, you

503
00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:42.079
realize how important all of that was, because it's what's going on in her

504
00:36:42.119 --> 00:36:47.800
head and everything you said about you
know, the toxicity of males, and

505
00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:52.559
you know, is she blaming herself? Is she going to accept it?

506
00:36:52.599 --> 00:36:54.199
She just don't have to live with
it. All of those kind of things

507
00:36:54.199 --> 00:36:59.039
are just converging there at the end, and I think the whole birthing thing

508
00:36:59.119 --> 00:37:02.599
is for me, is is the
big one? What about you? I'm

509
00:37:02.599 --> 00:37:08.039
gonna go with the argument, the
apartment, the apartment fight. I feel

510
00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:12.599
like I feel like we learn everything
about the relationship in that that moment.

511
00:37:12.920 --> 00:37:17.159
We understand what kind of man James
is, and it's our first real understanding

512
00:37:17.199 --> 00:37:22.280
of what Harper's dealing with. So
up until then, I was still my

513
00:37:22.639 --> 00:37:28.400
my I'm still wondering, is this
gonna be a typical girl alone in the

514
00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:31.960
countryside home invasion? You know,
like I spit on your grave or hush

515
00:37:32.119 --> 00:37:37.119
or whatever. I didn't want that, and I'm so glad that's uh that

516
00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:39.719
Alex Garland did not deliver that,
because this, like we said, it's

517
00:37:39.800 --> 00:37:45.719
it's a mind bending it is you're
questioning everything you're seeing and you you know,

518
00:37:45.800 --> 00:37:51.519
for me, it was the credits
rolling when I finally like everything clicked

519
00:37:51.639 --> 00:37:53.760
because you know, like you're talking, yeah, yeah, yeah, because

520
00:37:53.760 --> 00:37:57.639
you're talking like the birthing scene that
you're talking about. That's not the that's

521
00:37:57.639 --> 00:38:00.039
not the final puzzle piece you need, but it's still a big piece of

522
00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:05.760
the puzzle, right, Yeah.
Man, that to go back to the

523
00:38:05.800 --> 00:38:08.719
apartment, that that is a really
good choice. I didn't really think about

524
00:38:08.719 --> 00:38:12.760
that one of being so pivotal as
it is, but I talked about it

525
00:38:12.800 --> 00:38:19.239
earlier too. But their acting here
is so realistic of an argument that I

526
00:38:19.280 --> 00:38:22.480
have ever seen on film. And
there's been a lot of arguments on film

527
00:38:22.519 --> 00:38:25.119
between characters and stuff like that,
but this one was just how they were

528
00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:30.920
just raising their voice to one another
at a screaming level, back and forth

529
00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:35.840
at one another. You could tell, or you believed, I should say

530
00:38:36.039 --> 00:38:39.800
that these two are truly in a
relationship the way they are responding to one

531
00:38:39.840 --> 00:38:44.800
another a few years ago. Do
you remember that movie? I think it

532
00:38:44.840 --> 00:38:47.880
was a Netflix original that got some
oscar buzz. It was called Marriage Story

533
00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:52.960
with Adam Driver and Scarlett Johansson.
Yeah, that scene, you know,

534
00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:55.719
like the whole like and and the
nominees are they show Adam Driver in that

535
00:38:55.760 --> 00:39:00.440
scene where they're fighting and they're screaming
at each other. Hm. I've always

536
00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:06.840
contended that that is the greatest real
looking argument on ever captured on film.

537
00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:09.800
I believe that they are in an
ur. I believe that they're in a

538
00:39:09.960 --> 00:39:15.960
relationship that is going sour very quickly. And I didn't think I would ever

539
00:39:15.960 --> 00:39:21.679
see something as good until I saw
this scene in Men. And to your

540
00:39:21.679 --> 00:39:25.119
point, I believe that this is
two people that were once in love and

541
00:39:25.239 --> 00:39:30.960
have spiraled out of control and have
got to get away from each other because

542
00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:37.360
they're so the relationship is so toxic. And this guy man again, uh

543
00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:43.960
Papa a Sea do he is brilliant
in that moment. Yeah. I mean

544
00:39:44.039 --> 00:39:46.800
it felt very voristic to me because
I felt like I was looking through the

545
00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:52.559
window and catching someone's argument. It
really felt like that. Absolutely it did

546
00:39:54.119 --> 00:39:57.159
well. I'll tell you what,
Dave. Let's let's take one more break,

547
00:39:57.199 --> 00:39:59.719
and when we get back, we
got to talk a little bit about

548
00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:02.960
the ma end of the hour,
Alex Garland and his filmography. Absolutely,

549
00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:10.159
Okay, dave a few things about
Alex Garland before we talk about his movies.

550
00:40:10.440 --> 00:40:15.719
Sure, he is a novelist,
screenwriter and director. You remember that

551
00:40:15.800 --> 00:40:23.320
Leonardo DiCaprio thriller The Beach I Do
that was adapted from the novel of the

552
00:40:23.320 --> 00:40:28.400
same name that Alex Garland wrote,
Holy crap, I did not notice that.

553
00:40:28.559 --> 00:40:34.039
Yeah. He also wrote the screenplays
for Danny Boyle's films Sunshine and twenty

554
00:40:34.039 --> 00:40:39.360
eight Days Later, one of your
favorites he wrote, He wrote dread Did

555
00:40:39.400 --> 00:40:44.840
he really Carl? Yep? Yeah, that's a good one. Yeah.

556
00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:49.480
Alex Carland likes films that you can
lean into and participate in rather than films

557
00:40:49.480 --> 00:40:52.280
that spoon feed you all the details. These are his words, by the

558
00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:55.760
way. Okay, So think about
think about this movie in particularly, and

559
00:40:55.760 --> 00:41:00.599
you can see that he's writing what
he likes, right. Yeah, And

560
00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:05.599
he's a brilliant writer. You can
tell that he's a novelist because and he's

561
00:41:05.639 --> 00:41:09.159
able to bring that on screen,
which is really hard to do, but

562
00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:13.760
he does it. So well,
I mean again, because this is this

563
00:41:13.800 --> 00:41:17.079
is a horror film. That is
that's question making you question everything that you're

564
00:41:17.079 --> 00:41:22.480
seeing. It's not it's not about
jump scares and you know, Psycho with

565
00:41:22.519 --> 00:41:27.119
a mask. It's it's true horror
and it's and he's making you question everything

566
00:41:27.119 --> 00:41:30.360
that you're watching. So and he's
brilliant at it. And one more thing

567
00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:32.159
I'll say about him, and these
are his words again, Uh, he

568
00:41:32.199 --> 00:41:38.000
prefers writing for other directors, And
uh that makes a lot of sense when

569
00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:43.960
you think about the recent bombshell he
dropped on everybody it does a couple of

570
00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:50.519
days ago. Right, Yes,
he can't seriously retire from directing that he

571
00:41:50.599 --> 00:41:53.199
said directing. He's gonna keep writing, I guarantee, yeah, you know,

572
00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:55.440
yeah, he's definitely gonna keep writing
because I got I got that,

573
00:41:55.599 --> 00:41:59.239
I got I got someone on that
here in a little bit. But uh,

574
00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:02.840
yeah, can he really not?
I mean he's fifty three years old?

575
00:42:04.320 --> 00:42:07.000
Can can Is he really not going
to direct another film right now?

576
00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:13.280
Probably because he probably wants to focus
on just writing itself, because directing's hard.

577
00:42:13.360 --> 00:42:15.679
Man, it takes a lot out
of you, it really does,

578
00:42:16.000 --> 00:42:21.079
especially at I've seen what it's done
to you in the past here and there,

579
00:42:21.119 --> 00:42:24.320
So I get that, but man, I just feel like, please

580
00:42:24.360 --> 00:42:29.360
don't deny us the talent, right, Yeah, that's that's the only tough

581
00:42:29.360 --> 00:42:31.480
part, because you're right, he's
only fifty three. He's got a lot

582
00:42:31.480 --> 00:42:35.400
of years ahead of him. Absolutely, I think in the movies we're going

583
00:42:35.480 --> 00:42:37.360
to miss out on if he truly
does stick with his retirement on that.

584
00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:40.639
Oh that's let's hope not. Let's
hope not. But let's talk about what

585
00:42:40.679 --> 00:42:46.559
he has done. Yeah, starting
with his directorial debut in twenty fourteen Ex

586
00:42:46.639 --> 00:42:52.079
Machina. Yeah, correct me if
I'm wrong, day this was the film

587
00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:57.320
that made you a huge fan of
Alicia vikandor correct? Yeah it is?

588
00:42:57.519 --> 00:43:00.559
Yeah, of course did it?
Not everybody? It had to be?

589
00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:05.239
Yeah, he and and you know, just so we don't have to say

590
00:43:05.239 --> 00:43:07.760
it every single time we're talking about
one of his movies. He has written

591
00:43:08.480 --> 00:43:13.760
all the movies that he's directed,
right, so, uh, definitely I

592
00:43:13.760 --> 00:43:15.519
can say he has a he has
a style and I'm gonna get into that

593
00:43:15.519 --> 00:43:24.199
here in a little bit. But
your thoughts on X Makina it's about the

594
00:43:24.239 --> 00:43:28.559
computer programmer, is that right?
Yes? Yeah, the AI guy yeah,

595
00:43:28.599 --> 00:43:30.239
the AI Guy. Yeah, No, I mean it is one of

596
00:43:30.239 --> 00:43:34.519
those movies that really makes you think
about everything, which is exactly what Alex

597
00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:37.800
Garland does with all of his projects. You know, you followed further and

598
00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:42.199
further into the story, the characters, and by the end of it,

599
00:43:42.239 --> 00:43:45.880
you're like, really, Okay.
Yeah, if you've not seen this movie,

600
00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:49.000
this is one you definitely have to
check out because it's sci fi and

601
00:43:49.159 --> 00:43:52.119
I think Alex Garland really loves his
sci fi films, So you definitely want

602
00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:54.920
to check this one out for sure. Yeah. Twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen,

603
00:43:54.960 --> 00:43:59.199
depending on where you live. But
I think the movie was fantastic,

604
00:43:59.280 --> 00:44:07.159
a yap, cutting edge VFX,
great performances, and that's gonna that's gonna

605
00:44:07.239 --> 00:44:12.679
fall into his next film. Twenty
eighteen, he does Annihilation with Nalie Portman

606
00:44:14.639 --> 00:44:19.760
and I'm one, Jeff, you
haven't seen this, my lord, Dave,

607
00:44:20.320 --> 00:44:27.960
I know again, Okay, So
if you appreciate the mind bending sci

608
00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:34.639
fi, Annihilation is the movie for
you. Uh. Natalie Portman basically,

609
00:44:35.559 --> 00:44:38.360
she's a biologist that goes on like
the secret I don't want to give away

610
00:44:38.360 --> 00:44:43.559
too much, but she's like a
biologist who goes on an expedition sort of

611
00:44:44.159 --> 00:44:49.480
into a again, I want to
spoil it, like a biodome into like

612
00:44:49.960 --> 00:44:52.679
not a biodome, but like a
protected zone. No one goes into this

613
00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:58.599
zone because the law you know,
like nature, like the laws of nature

614
00:44:58.599 --> 00:45:07.000
and physics don't really apply. Mm
hmm. I would never condone remaking aliens

615
00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:10.920
or alien but if you were,
if you were going to, this was

616
00:45:10.920 --> 00:45:15.400
the movie that made me say,
hey, Nallie Portman could play Ripley.

617
00:45:15.800 --> 00:45:20.119
That's that's that's what I tell you. Okay, I want to say it's

618
00:45:20.119 --> 00:45:24.599
a it's a Netflix original, so
I would strongly urge you to uh to

619
00:45:24.679 --> 00:45:28.440
check it out because it came out, like I said, it came out

620
00:45:28.440 --> 00:45:30.239
like five, five years ago,
six years ago, whatever. But it's

621
00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:37.280
fantastic. Nallie Portman, Jennifer Jason
Lee, Tessa Thompson before she exploded in

622
00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:42.639
popularity. Okay, even Benetticu,
Wong, you know who plays Wong in

623
00:45:42.679 --> 00:45:46.719
the MCU, He's in there.
It's a it's a fantastic, fantastic movie,

624
00:45:47.280 --> 00:45:51.679
and I guarantee you you will be
happy that you saw it. Also,

625
00:45:52.440 --> 00:45:55.559
Oscar isaac Oh has a part in
it, so I will definitely check

626
00:45:55.559 --> 00:45:59.079
that out, then yeah, put
put it on your watch list. Uh

627
00:46:00.599 --> 00:46:06.599
it definitely X makinna got my You
know, I was curious about al Scarland

628
00:46:07.079 --> 00:46:10.039
Annihilations? What made me, you
know, interested? Like, Okay,

629
00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:15.280
this guy, this is his follow
up, and now I'm all in.

630
00:46:15.639 --> 00:46:19.119
He's it's amazing. I will take
your word for that and I will definitely

631
00:46:19.159 --> 00:46:23.079
watch it, all right. Two
years later, he does a TV mini

632
00:46:23.119 --> 00:46:29.639
series called Devs. Have you did
you watch this? No? Have not?

633
00:46:29.719 --> 00:46:32.639
All right, I don't even know
what it's about. Okay, I'm

634
00:46:32.679 --> 00:46:38.239
gonna I'm telling you, and I'm
telling telling all the listeners everyone who has

635
00:46:38.320 --> 00:46:46.159
not watched Devs. Stop what you're
doing. Go to Hulu and just watch

636
00:46:46.239 --> 00:46:51.360
the first episode because it will blow
your mind. And I'll tell you something,

637
00:46:51.440 --> 00:46:54.360
Dave, I never seen it until
two hours ago. Oh okay,

638
00:46:54.719 --> 00:46:58.079
I was like, oh, you
know what, I'll check out this show.

639
00:46:58.320 --> 00:46:59.960
You know, I could speak to
it a little bit when we when

640
00:47:00.039 --> 00:47:02.639
we talked about Alex Garland, and
I'm like, man, we gotta hurry

641
00:47:02.679 --> 00:47:05.719
up and get this episode out of
the way so we can go back.

642
00:47:07.079 --> 00:47:15.840
It's incredible and it solidifies the statement
that Alex Garland has a specific style a

643
00:47:15.960 --> 00:47:21.159
look to his films. It may
as well be a film, because the

644
00:47:22.360 --> 00:47:25.039
you would just expect that it's a
it's a big budget and looks like it's

645
00:47:25.039 --> 00:47:30.280
like two movies that's gonna be chopped
into eight episodes because it is fantastic Nick

646
00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:35.880
Offerman, who we loved on Parks
and rec Dave. You know, we

647
00:47:35.960 --> 00:47:39.760
loved him on the Last of Us. Wait till you see Nick Offerman in

648
00:47:39.840 --> 00:47:45.719
devsk And for everyone wondering, like
in David, you know, you got

649
00:47:45.760 --> 00:47:47.360
to look like you're like what,
okay, so what is it? I'm

650
00:47:47.360 --> 00:47:52.800
gonna I'm gonna read you this like
the little synopsis. A computer engineer investigates

651
00:47:52.880 --> 00:48:00.000
the secretive development division in her company, which she believes is behind the disappearance

652
00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:07.559
of her boyfriend. So imagine a
sci fi thriller television show with the effects

653
00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:14.320
of X Makana. It's it's like, it's that scary sci fi where it's

654
00:48:14.320 --> 00:48:19.440
like it looks like it's it's today's
times. Yeah, this isn't the future.

655
00:48:19.639 --> 00:48:24.639
It's like it's it's today and it's
that scary technology where you're like I'm

656
00:48:24.639 --> 00:48:30.000
watching I'm like, I guarantee that
this this kind of stuff is happening in

657
00:48:30.039 --> 00:48:35.079
America. There's places like this in
America, we just don't know about them.

658
00:48:35.159 --> 00:48:37.079
A little scary, definitely has like
a even like a little bit of

659
00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:40.960
an X Files vibe to it.
Oh so okay, yeah, eight episodes.

660
00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:46.400
It was like one mini series twenty
twenty and I with only one episode

661
00:48:46.480 --> 00:48:52.519
in. I am strongly recommending it
and listeners this. Yeah, it's on

662
00:48:52.559 --> 00:48:54.960
Hulu, so listeners. If you, if one of you out there,

663
00:48:55.079 --> 00:48:59.159
some of you out there have have
watched devs and you have an opinion of

664
00:48:59.199 --> 00:49:02.920
it, contact us let us know
because I'd love to see what everyone else

665
00:49:02.960 --> 00:49:06.360
is thinking about this. Because I'm
excited. I can't wait to get into

666
00:49:06.360 --> 00:49:09.079
the second episode. I'll probably finish
this thing tonight. Dave, I'm intrigued.

667
00:49:09.119 --> 00:49:12.719
Now, okay, I'll check it
out. Well, we've been talking

668
00:49:12.760 --> 00:49:20.760
about twenty twenty two's Men, and
that leads us to Friday Davey. Civil

669
00:49:20.760 --> 00:49:27.320
War is his next his next feature. We're going right, Oh yeah,

670
00:49:27.400 --> 00:49:29.440
I mean, come on, it's
got the beautiful Kriston Dunst in it,

671
00:49:29.519 --> 00:49:31.920
so you know, I got to
beat it ore for that. Got one

672
00:49:31.960 --> 00:49:36.360
of those girls that you just can't
say no to. Kirsten Dunst. Yeah,

673
00:49:36.400 --> 00:49:38.519
I know it's been dividing. It's
been dividing people, and you know,

674
00:49:38.559 --> 00:49:43.920
the media has been all over this
one definitely has some political undertones.

675
00:49:44.280 --> 00:49:47.079
Of course, I am excited.
I cannot wait to see it. But

676
00:49:49.280 --> 00:49:52.039
you want to talk about what's next
for Alex Garland. Well, considering he's

677
00:49:52.079 --> 00:49:57.599
not directing anything, is he writing
anything? Dave, He's got two projects.

678
00:49:57.880 --> 00:50:02.039
So he's currently in production on a
film called Warfare, which is starring

679
00:50:02.159 --> 00:50:12.199
Joseph Quinn and Will Palter. Okay, and Garland wrote it. And the

680
00:50:12.239 --> 00:50:16.440
word is he is co directing this
with Raymondoza. Oh okay, And if

681
00:50:16.480 --> 00:50:21.599
you're wondering who Raymondoz is, he
was actually the military advisor on Civil War.

682
00:50:22.159 --> 00:50:24.760
Okay, a little, a little
deep dive on him. This is

683
00:50:24.800 --> 00:50:30.920
gonna be his first time directing anything. So he's produced some good stuff and

684
00:50:30.960 --> 00:50:36.119
done some technical work. Outside of
that, he is also writing twenty eight

685
00:50:36.199 --> 00:50:38.920
years Later for Danny Boyle, Guy
Loves Danny Boyle. Yeah, clearly you

686
00:50:38.920 --> 00:50:45.239
know that that's good. Yeah,
and uh, and everything that's come out

687
00:50:45.239 --> 00:50:47.679
so far indicates that this is gonna
kick off like a new trilogy for the

688
00:50:47.960 --> 00:50:53.119
twenty eight days, twenty eight years, twenty eight weeks. Well, you

689
00:50:53.119 --> 00:50:55.960
know that whole franchise, keep it, keep it going on a good film

690
00:50:57.440 --> 00:50:59.880
yep. Yeah, you know,
we've talked about Danny Boyle so much on

691
00:50:59.920 --> 00:51:04.920
the episode. I know Andrew Blakeley
loves Danny Boyle, so I'm probably gonna

692
00:51:04.960 --> 00:51:08.000
have to have him back in here
very soon to talk about. Well,

693
00:51:08.920 --> 00:51:13.920
I guess any Danny Boyle film he
feels necessary, So absolutely, Andrew will

694
00:51:13.920 --> 00:51:17.039
get you back yep. And again
we you know he is. He's claiming

695
00:51:17.079 --> 00:51:21.880
that he is retiring from directing.
But Dave, my question to you is,

696
00:51:22.519 --> 00:51:27.079
if we're lucky enough to get him
back, what would you want to

697
00:51:27.119 --> 00:51:32.440
see? So we've talked about this
director already and his name is Ryan Coogler.

698
00:51:34.159 --> 00:51:37.519
We know Ryan Coogler is doing a
new X Files. I would love

699
00:51:37.559 --> 00:51:44.280
to see Garland team up with him
to do some episodes of the new X

700
00:51:44.320 --> 00:51:52.519
File series. Now, that is
an excellent idea because this isn't like signing

701
00:51:52.559 --> 00:51:58.360
on for you know, ten twelve
weeks to do a movie. This is

702
00:51:58.400 --> 00:52:01.280
just doing a couple of TV episodes
yep. And he can write and direct

703
00:52:01.320 --> 00:52:05.159
them because we know he doesn't tell
them. He would be very, very

704
00:52:05.199 --> 00:52:09.280
talented. So I would love to
see that man. Anything from you.

705
00:52:12.159 --> 00:52:15.559
Honestly, even if I had something, I'm scrapping it because now I want

706
00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:20.519
to see him team up with Jordan
Peele on this X Files thing. That

707
00:52:20.599 --> 00:52:28.039
is the that's the perfect request,
Dave Cool. Yeah, well, as

708
00:52:28.039 --> 00:52:30.159
we said, this is streaming on
Paramount Plus. It's also on the Showtime

709
00:52:30.199 --> 00:52:36.280
app. Do you recommend this one? You know, when I got through

710
00:52:36.400 --> 00:52:38.199
the birthing scene and if I would
have ended it there, I say no,

711
00:52:38.559 --> 00:52:43.199
I do not watch this film.
But you know what after the credit

712
00:52:43.239 --> 00:52:45.840
for rolling and I was watching us
thinking about what I had seen. Yes,

713
00:52:46.159 --> 00:52:52.159
I recommend this film. I'm with
you if you're a fan of unsettling

714
00:52:52.199 --> 00:52:54.079
horror, you know, like the
movies we've we've discussed, we've we've we've

715
00:52:54.119 --> 00:52:59.480
mentioned, you know, Hereditary Midsummer. I think you should check Men out

716
00:52:59.719 --> 00:53:05.039
because you will not be disappointed.
You won't listeners. What do you think

717
00:53:05.760 --> 00:53:12.880
of men? And that's the movie, not men in general? Yeah,

718
00:53:13.000 --> 00:53:15.440
well, I didn't want the inbox
like crammed full of you know kinds of

719
00:53:15.440 --> 00:53:21.320
stuff. But let us know what
you think of this one on social media.

720
00:53:21.760 --> 00:53:24.280
You can find us on Facebook,
Instagram, and Twitter. You can

721
00:53:24.360 --> 00:53:29.079
check out a Film by podcast dot
com. Uh we drop. We like

722
00:53:29.079 --> 00:53:34.679
to drop articles there, and our
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723
00:53:34.679 --> 00:53:37.880
also write to us at a film
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724
00:53:37.960 --> 00:53:43.400
like Josh Avery. Give us your
questions, your comments, your concerns.

725
00:53:43.880 --> 00:53:46.480
We may just read your response on
the show and send you some of a

726
00:53:46.559 --> 00:53:55.159
film by swag. Tomorrow, Dave
Phasers set the stunt. I understand we're

727
00:53:55.159 --> 00:53:59.480
moving on from Star Trek the Next
Generation. We have We, Scott,

728
00:53:59.480 --> 00:54:04.039
Wayne and I have wrapped the seven
seasons of Star Trek the Next Generation.

729
00:54:04.639 --> 00:54:10.159
Tomorrow we are moving into Discovery,
which is in season five, its final

730
00:54:10.239 --> 00:54:14.440
season, I might add, and
we're going to be joining them for the

731
00:54:14.480 --> 00:54:22.119
next nine weeks. Fantastic And on
Friday, our friend Andy Frye is back

732
00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:28.280
on our limited series nineteen ninety six
to discuss one of his favorites, a

733
00:54:28.360 --> 00:54:32.960
movie that is so money. I'm
talking about Swingers, of course, Dave,

734
00:54:34.599 --> 00:54:37.039
always a pleasure, even when it's
a movie that we haven't seen in

735
00:54:37.079 --> 00:54:44.360
You're sending me threatening texts before you've
even finished it. I'm gonna keep sitting

736
00:54:44.360 --> 00:54:47.920
them because apparently it's working. It's
working. It's working. And to all

737
00:54:47.960 --> 00:54:52.960
of you out there listening, hitting
the like, follow, subscribe, and

738
00:54:52.000 --> 00:54:57.599
share buttons, and supporting the show
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739
00:55:24.880 --> 00:55:28.760
I want to think that I wanted
to talk about about A twenty four a

740
00:55:28.760 --> 00:55:31.519
little bit on the podcast, but
it's okay that we didn't. I love

741
00:55:31.599 --> 00:55:37.320
this studio. They are taking chances, they're they're taking risks on stories,

742
00:55:37.400 --> 00:55:43.599
on ideas and helping creators bring these
to fruition where big studios wouldn't even touch

743
00:55:43.639 --> 00:55:49.159
them. Big studios can't hold a
candle to what they're doing right now.

744
00:55:49.400 --> 00:55:53.840
No, but because even outside the
horror genre, they're knocking out of the

745
00:55:53.840 --> 00:55:58.920
park with stuff like I had no
idea. Like we talked about Lady Bird

746
00:55:59.079 --> 00:56:02.559
not too long ago with Amber Lewis. It's a twenty four, you know,

747
00:56:04.119 --> 00:56:08.480
Adam Sandler cutting all the bullshit and
going going serious with uncut gems.

748
00:56:09.239 --> 00:56:15.760
A twenty four and one of my
favorites of twenty twenty three, the Von

749
00:56:15.880 --> 00:56:21.320
Eric wrestling family story, The Iron
Claw, that was A twenty four.

750
00:56:22.840 --> 00:56:29.400
So I kind of feel like this
this studio just they're off to the races

751
00:56:29.440 --> 00:56:31.800
Man. They're like they are you
know, this is why I wanted A

752
00:56:32.000 --> 00:56:36.639
twenty four to get the Halloween TV
series, because that would have been great.

753
00:56:36.679 --> 00:56:39.360
Can you imagine what they could have
done with that with their what they're

754
00:56:39.440 --> 00:56:45.199
showing now to us can if only
if only I know it? I feel frustrating,