Dec. 17, 2024

Ang Lee: The Ice Storm

Ang Lee: The Ice Storm
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Season 5A Film By...

Jeff and David discuss Kevin Kline, substance abuse, and the swinging lifestyle of the 70s in Ang Lee's The Ice Storm. 

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So, Dave, I'm curious, have you have you been any

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good parties lately?

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Well, not lately. I've heard of some good key parties,

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but not been to one of those yet.

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I don't know if i'd recommend going to one of those,

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but but I'll tell you what I would recommend. We

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talk about a film by Ang Lee his his nineteen

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ninety seven underrated classic, The Ice Storm. Hello everybody, and

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welcome to the Film By podcast. I am Jeff Johnson,

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and I am not sitting beso Brad Kozoh. He is

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taking some much deserved time off and in his place

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for the time being, I'd like to welcome filmmaker David

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Burns to take his place. David, welcome, and how are you.

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I'm doing wonderful and it is an honored to be here.

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Yes, this is not your first time co hosting on

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a film buy. I think we did Death Note last year, right,

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that's correct? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Starting to realize Brad takes

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a lot of vacations on me. Well, he earned, he

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hears them, he earns them all right. Oh yeah, I'm

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happy to have you here, Dave. So let's talk talk

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about The Ice Storm for those of us that haven't

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seen it yet. Dave, any of our listeners that are

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wondering what is the Ice Storm? Can you give us

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a little bit of a synopsis?

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Yeah, absolutely so. It's a film that's based off of

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the widely acclaimed nineteen ninety four nine novel by Rick Moody.

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Screenplay was by Jeames I believe his last name is Shamous,

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but it is during a nineteen seventy three Thanksgiving weekend

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in Connecticut. It is about the Hoods and their neighbors,

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the Carvers, who are relationship wise skidding out of control,

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isolated from each other. Then an ice storm hits and

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their problems seem inconsequential and nothing will ever be the same.

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Excellent you talk about them skidding under control. There. This

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is nineteen seventy three in a well to do area

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of Connecticut, right suburbs of Connecticut. Yep. A lot of

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controversial topics covered in this film. You know, you've got

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drug and alcohol, amuse and abuse, You've got casual sex,

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You've got underage sex, I mean underage, yeah, underage, You've

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got You've got some of these kids kind of kind

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of discovering things for the first time. Yep. Definitely a

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little bit dark and dramatic.

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It absolutely is, and and at times it feels a

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little awkward, like should I be watching this, you know,

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should I be in this room with them?

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We we covered back in uh, back in March, we

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covered Sophia Coppola's The Virgin Suicides. Yeah, Brad, I remember

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I recall Brad saying it's such a great film, but

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you it's not one yet you want to watch often?

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You know, it kind of makes you feel I don't

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want to say it makes you feel bad, but it

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you know, you don't, you don't. It's not an uplifting movie, right, No.

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No, nothing you want to revisit all the time.

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Yeah, And watching The Ice Storm, I almost feel like

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this would be a great companion film to Coppola's work

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because they both have well, they both take place in

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the seventies, they both have that haunting, dreamy look with

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the cinematography. I could almost see like this this is

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like one neighborhood over from from The Virgin Suicides. It is.

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It's I think this is a sensational film, but not again,

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not when you want to wreck you wanna you want

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to visit all the time? Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, So let's

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let's get into a little bit about about the movie,

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you know, because again it's it's weird. It's like I

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want to see it, but but I don't know if

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I should be watching some of it. There's a lot

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of there's some there's some uncomfortable moments there.

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There really are. I know, the the scene between Wendy

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and I believe is that Sandy the younger boy, is

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that correct?

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When they were the Christina Riccia Richie.

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Yeah, when they're in the bathroom and she's like, you know,

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you show me yours, I'll show you mine. That whole

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scene right there, I just, man, I was so uncomfortable,

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which I guess you should be, but I just felt

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really awkward there, and you know, I just I almost

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had to turn away from the screen.

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Well that's scene in particular. The thing the thing that

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that I think about with it. First off, it's a moment,

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you know, a situation like that, you're you're it's kind

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of cool to see that that Wendy has control, She's

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she has the power in that in that moment, right,

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you know, And sometimes because somebody so often you see

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scenes like that and the girl, the female character usually

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is is a weak character or they're victimized. Ye, Wendy

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is not victimized in this situation. She's you could almost

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say that she's the victimizer. I would agree, you know,

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because the you know the other the boy, you know,

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he clearly does not have a good experience being in

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there with her. So yeah, you're right. It's one of

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those things where you're just like, I feel bad for

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both of them.

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Yeah, and Sandy, you can really tell that he's still

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underdeveloped because I mean if you look at and he's

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a troubled kid. I mean a lot of these people

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are very troubled, but you know, he gets he's like

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blowing stuff up, you know, in the backyard, you know.

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So I mean he's a very troubled kid. And I

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think when he saw Wendy at one time in the

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street and he had the little army man and he

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was like pretending they're like shoot her.

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I mean yeah, you know, I think his character, you know,

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tragic character, because he clearly is curious, you know, he

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I think he I think he doesn't like her because

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you know, his older brother played by Elijah Wood, Elijah

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plays Mikey. I feel like he probably the Sandy character

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probably dislikes her because she takes his brother's attention away

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from him, but he also does like her because he's curious.

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About her at that age.

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He's at that age where he's he's curious about about

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the female sex and what's it all about?

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So exactly.

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Yeah, Christina Ricci's character really so well written and performed performed. Yeah,

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I don't know who else I could have seen, because

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you know, she's playing fourteen. I know she's a little

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bit older than that at the time, but I don't

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know many actresses that could pull it off. I know

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Natalie Portman turned down the role for whatever reason. I

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could see her doing it. I think she's got the

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gravita sport but I do too, And I don't know.

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Didn't Christiana Ritchie.

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Didn't you play Wednesday Adam a little bit later, maybe

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a year or two after this?

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Yeah?

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Is that right?

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I think it was either right before right after. I'm

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not a whole I'm not really familiar with the the

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Adams Family movies, but uh, yeah, it's right around that

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same time. M So this you could almost argue that

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this is like her first adult role. Yeah, even though

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she's playing a child. Still, as far as the rest

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of the these characters, you know, there's not there's not

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many of them in the in the movie where you

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can kind of get behind and root for.

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None of them, in my opinion, man, none of them.

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I mean, Kevin Klein is he's He's almost on that

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Tom Hanks level of likability in all of his movies,

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but in this he's he's.

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A bit of a worm, right he is, Yeah, dirtball worm,

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whatever you want to call him. I mean, everybody in

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the family is struggling, you know it. It's obviously two very

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dysfunctional families, and you know, everybody's questioning what is going

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on in their lives? Are they happy where they're at?

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But man, Ben just irritated me to no end, because

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come on, man, you've got a beautiful wife, Elena, Elena, Yeah,

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and it is Joan Allen, Yeah, Joan Allen. Come on, man,

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well why I mean, I know it's going weaver. She's

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extremely attractive as well.

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Come on, It's not that I dislike him in this movie,

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but I am disappointed in him. Yeah, you're you feel

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you're like, come on, right, man, he's he's not even

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a good dad if you think about it.

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No, I mean at points I think he tries, but

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then it's like, then you don't think the effort is there,

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Like it's you can tell that he's become that selfish

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individual who is just he knows he's not happy where

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he's at, so he's trying to find that happiness somewhere else,

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even though he's got a really good family, even though

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the family's falling apart.

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Yeah, his his character is for me, it's he's a

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little reminiscent of the Kevin Spacey father character in American Beauty.

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Oh yeah, Yeah, he's he's got everything, you know, he's

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got he's got great friends, he's got a wonderful family,

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they've got great they've got money obviously. But he's going

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through this a bit of a midlife crisis, and he

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just doesn't know what to do about it and how

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to how to handle himself. And he chooses alcohol and

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an affair with a Sigourney Weaver, his his neighbor Janie

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So And I gotta be honest, man, I think this

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is the first time I've seen Sigourney Weaver a movie

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where I just didn't like her. You know.

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I think it's because she was really playing a bad

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person and I think that took away from her attractiveness

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all together. She's a beautiful woman even today, she's a

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beautiful woman.

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She's gorgeous. Yeah, but her cruelty in the movie, yes

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makes her, Uh makes her an ugly person.

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It does.

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And I'm not talking about physical physical I'm just saying

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her her personality, the care and hats off to Sigourney

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Weaver because she plays it brilliantly. Oh yeah, for us

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to feel this way.

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But well, and her husband, Jim Yeah, I mean, I

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mean played boy. Is that Jamie Sheridan, you know, I

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mean I know he's struggling a little bit too, but

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he's trying. Even even when he walked in to talk

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to his kids, he's trying.

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Yeah. I think there's a few people that you can

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you can get behind and root for in this movie. Uh,

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he would be one of them. Yeah, because even though

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he does, you know, the key party that we kind

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of referenced earlier, even though he does succumb to the temptation,

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like everybody else, he immediately regrets it. Oh yeah, it

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doesn't feel good about it.

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Yeah, so does a Lena at that time too. I

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mean it's like it was like a spur of the

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moment thing because everything happened, and you know, they got

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caught up in the moment and they felt like, well,

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I guess we should do this kind of thing, and

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and then then everything kind of like broke down on

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both of them, you know, and fell apart.

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Yeah, I mean, what a bad night for that guy,

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Oh my gosh, especially how it ends. We'll get to

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that obviously in a minute, yere, but yeah, let's keep

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let's keep talking a little bit more about this cast.

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Someone who you can definitely get behind, at least I

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feel like you can.

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M h.

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Paul hood Yep, Yeah, played by Toby maguire.

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Toby McGuire in his early days before he becomes spider.

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Man pre pre Raymie spider Man, Tobey maguire.

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And how ironic is the fact? And this is one

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thing I loved about the film is how it kept

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referring back in his narration to the Fantastic Flour comic book, Yeah,

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that he was reading in the elements of it were

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actually like what was going on with his family and

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the Carver family. I loved that element.

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That is so good. And I mean the comic book

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nerd me, you know, he's he's got a copy of

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a Fantastic four yep rolled up the.

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End of the Fantastic Four is what it was called.

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Yes, think about that?

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Yeah, the film?

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Yeah, because that that whole that that storyline, that and

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that comic. It's all about the Fantastic Four coming undone

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because someone some you know, bad guy I think was

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a I think it was a Nihilist. Maybe wasn't Galactus.

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Maybe maybe a Nihilis man. I'm getting nerdy here. It's good,

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but uh, basically, the the whole family's held hostage. Reid

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has to sacrifice his young son in order to save

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not just his the rest of his family, but the

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entire planet. And this does not go well for the

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rest of the Fantastic Four members. So there's so many

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good parallels between that story and what's going on. And

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there are the fact that that the writers and the

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Angley tied it together where they did. I love it.

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Yeah, And you know another thing I like about Paul's

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character is, you know, he he got the hotspot. And

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let's not forget the very first film for Katie.

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Holmes, Yes, the.

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Yeah, which is a weird yeah what name is Libits?

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But you know, Paul's character. You know, he obviously wants

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to be with libbts, and of course he obviously tells

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his friend who shows up when he goes to New York.

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But you know it, what drove his character for me

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is because at first, when Paul went into the bathroom

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and was looking for medication and got that to put

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his friend to sleep, I'm like, man, what a turt ball.

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But then but then you know what happens with the

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libots too. She takes it and he had the chance

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of you know, taking advantage of her here, and he

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realized that's not the way he wanted to go, you know,

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so I think he put her to bed and then

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he just left. I that spoke volume to his character

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right there, It really did.

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Yeah. I So when he's he's looking around to the

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medicine cabinet, I I kind of championed him here for

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a minute because he has to leave, you know, he

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has to get back on the train to go home.

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Yeah.

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And his friend who is who is an actual just

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dirt ball, you know, because they reference how this guy

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has has slept with a lot of girls. He's the

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care free Hey, let's let's smoke a bong. And have

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some fun. Guy. I think I think Paul knows the

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minute he leaves, his buddy is gonna take advantage of her.

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So I like the idea that he's gonna he's gonna

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knock him out literally and figuratively, he's gonna put him

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to sleep.

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So I guess if you look at it that way,

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I see it differently.

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Yeah. Yeah, I looked at it like that because then

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the alarm on his face when she's like, oh, hey,

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let's let's let's share, you know, and he's like, oh,

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you shouldn't do that, don't mix, and.

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No, you didn't like this, I'm gonna put this away. Yeah.

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Yeah, And he stays longer than he's supposed to because

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of because she does pass out and he's worried about her.

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So I thought. I thought it was a classy move

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that he I always looked at it that he was

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protecting limits from his friend.

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Okay, I didn't look at it that way, but that's

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a good way.

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Oh.

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I was gonna. I was gonna say, let's talk about

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Philip Edwards, the creepy pastor this guy? What about him? Jeff,

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come on, tell me, tell me what you think about

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this guy.

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You know, uh, I don't even know how I could

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how I can have a any kind of good thought

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about him because of that the hair first off, right, Yeah,

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this is this is one of those reveals where you

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know you almost think like when when when he first

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shows up, you know, Elena is at like the books

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book sale from the church he pops up, I almost

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think like, oh, this is gonna be our our good

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guy that maybe she gravitates to. Maybe he saves her

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quote unquote, maybe he's like the wholesome not it's weird

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to say wholesome affair, but maybe he's the wholesome affair

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that she needs. Kind of like a kind of debor

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winger in terms of endearment where she hooks up with

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the John Lithgow, but he's not that guy. He he

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ends up at the key party later and when she

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kind of calls him out on it, he's like, hey,

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sometimes a shepherd's got to check in on the flock,

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or he says some cheesy seventies.

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The shepherd needs the comfort of the sheep.

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Yeah, well that's what it was. The sometimes the shepherd

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needs the comfort of the sheep. And she's like, I

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don't even want to try to you know, talk what

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that might mean?

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Right, Oh dude, really.

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Yeah, he's disgusting at that point, and I liked. I

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like the fact that he immediately realizes it, g gets

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his keys and leaves. He's out. Yeah, but all these

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people at this party hanging out and having a good time. Dude,

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this is Thanksgiving weekend and you've all left your kids.

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The weather man was on TV saying, hey, big ice

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storm is coming, and these are bad parents. All of

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them are all of them are?

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I mean, I know this is the seventies, but come on, man.

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I worry about the seventies children. Now. I was born

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in seventies, but oh I was too. Yeah, but I

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mean we turned out okay. But man, yep, we don't

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live in Connecticut though, so maybe that's maybe that's what

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it is. No offense to anyone listening in Connecticut at all.

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We love Connecticut. Yeah, I'll tell you who I love

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in the movie. We mentioned earlier, mikey Elijah Wood, you know,

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pre Frodo Baggins. Yep.

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I liked him, but there was just elements of him.

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I was like, is he okay? Like when he went

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to playing football, went to catch the football and he

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just kind of like drifts off into space. Yeah, I'm like,

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what's going on here? I mean I don't think he

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was looking at anybody in particular by the way I

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was looking at that. Am I wrong?

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No, he he just kind of spaced out. Yeah, I

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don't know what was that about. But I also, look,

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I'm cool with the fact that you're into nature and science,

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but you also have Christina Ricci's your girlfriend, and if

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you're not going to give her attention, she said to

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your little brother, So you, dude, make up your mind

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you want to be a you know, is it sciences

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at girls? Because you can't have both when you're fourteen

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years old.

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You can't. When you get to college years, yeah, you

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can start focusing a little bit more on something else.

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But yeah, dude, she controls him the whole time. I like,

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even after he finds out what she did with his

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little brother in the bathroom, Yep, she leaves, you know,

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because Sigourne we was like, you know, kicks her out.

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More or less. He chases after to say, I never

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to see you again. Why are you following me? I

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mean it's like burn after burn, Like she's just on

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him with it. But that's so typical. You know that

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that is that is a that is a teenager's dialogue.

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Oh yeah, oh yeah, so again credit to the writer's

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Credit to ang Lee. They definitely captured what what what

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it's like to be that age, you know, and not

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in like, not in the wholesome TV sitcom way, but

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in the gritty, real anyway.

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I feel like, yeah, well, ang Lee, and I guess

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we could start talking about him a little bit. He's known,

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which is probably why a couple reasons why he got

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this film. But he's known for like intimate drama themes

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and depicting characters with conflicting feelings about their sexuality. So

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you know, this film is written for him if you

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really think about it. So I'm not surprised to see

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that he's really good at directing stuff like that.

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Hey, before we talking Lee, can we mention one more?

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I mean this this is packed with some stellar actors

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and actresses, but and we don't have time to talk

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about all of them, but we gotta talk about one

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last one. Okay, did you happen to catch Kate Burton

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as one of the friends at the party?

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Oh yeah, I played Dorothy Franklin.

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Yes, yeah, uh, and we know her. We know a

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lover as Margot Litzenberger from Big Trouble, Little Giant. I

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didn't recognize Yeah, I didn't reckon that. Yeah, I didn't

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recognize her at first because the curly red hair is

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gone and she's got like the straight blonde hair that's

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like pulled back. But I was like, why does she

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look so familiar?

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I did not think about that.

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And that's her, That's Margo. Yeah, she's no longer sitting

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on the top side with Eddie and Uncle Chew.

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Not anymore. She's going to six party exactly.

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Shame on you, Mark, Margot.

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What has happened to you?

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Yeah? I always happy to see Margo in another another film.

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But back to this film. Let's talk a little bit

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about how this came about, Dave. You got some you

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got some background on the on on how the Ice

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Storm Kate went from from book to screen.

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Yeah, just just a little bit. So, like I said this,

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it was from the acclaimed ninety nine a novel by

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Rick Moody who had written this book and the James Seamus,

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who was the screenwriter for this film, actually reached out

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to ang Lee because he had seen his previous work

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and knew that he was the director of probably would

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be best at bringing this to the screen, so he

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brought it to him and ang Lee read it and

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he stated that what attracted him to this book was

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actually its climax, the scene where Ben Hood makes a

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shocking discovery in the ice, followed by the emotional reunion

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of the Hood family on the morning after the storm,

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and that's why he really wanted to bring this film

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to life. So they did take it to Fox Searchlight Pictures,

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who released it in nineteen ninety seven, but they filmed

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it in New Canaan, Connecticut. Back in nineteen ninety six.

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The film had a budget of eighteen million would earned

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seventy five thousand opening weekend, which isn't a lot of money,

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but it was limited release at the time. It got

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nationally released in November and ended up making like eighteen

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million dollars. Did win some awards, and for you folks

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who are probably around our age, will remember Gene Ciscol

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and Roger Ebert. Oh Yeahbert, yep. Both of them actually

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gave this film two thumbs up, with Ebert calling it

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Lee's best to work at, in Ciskel calling it its

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favorite film. Of nineteen ninety seven favorite.

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Film of nineteen ninety seven. Well, I don't know if

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I agree with him. I mean, you gotta remember nineteen

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ninety seven Joel Schumacher gave us Batman and Robin he did.

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I don't, I don't boy, not good Will Honey Mine.

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Good Will was good Will Hunting nineteen ninety seven.

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Good Will Honey was nice. That Titanic was nineteen ninety seven.

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Okay, so you know you got Kevin Klein in this,

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and you got him in In and Out. You got

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Matt Damon in The rain Maker, and good Will Hunting.

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A lot of good stuff. That your manly confidential life

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is beautiful. Jackie Brown, Jackie Brown, I mean, come on, So.

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Ciskel liked this movie more than as good as it gets.

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Yeah, with Jack Nicholson, Yeah, that's what he said.

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I'm going to respectfully disagree with Cisco. I think there's

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better out there. La Confidential.

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Yeah.

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I can't forget that one. Yeah, I don't know.

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That's the song. I can't film that year.

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I can't tell you what the best movie nineteen ninety

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seven is off the top of my head. But but

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I can't tell you that there's enough in contention that

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I couldn't say the ice storm. I put the ice

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storm in the conversation, but I wouldn't say, oh yeah,

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it's definitely so Dave. I know we talked about the

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bathroom scene making making us uncomfortable. Let's talk about some likes. Uh,

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what were there some were there some scenes that you

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really liked? Were there's some performances that you really liked?

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Give me, give me a give me Dave Byrne's likes

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on the ice storm.

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So I don't know if this was meant to happen,

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but here's here's what I take. So, remember when the

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key party is over, Elena and is Jim they go out,

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did they go out to the car? They kind of

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start to do their thing, and then they realize that

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it's you know, probably not a good idea. So she

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goes back into the house to check on her husband well,

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and you know, obviously he's in the bathroom, you know,

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having a tough time to go. So you know, she

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has a little bit of conversation with him, but then

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you know, she basically talks to me to staying there

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and that you know, she's going to go home. I

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don't know if this is the intention of Angley. But

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when she walks out of the bathroom, she starts to

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close the door, but doesn't shut the door all the way,

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leaves it open. To me, I don't know if it

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was intended, but to me, it feels like that was

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her basically saying that she's not giving up on him.

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She's not closing the door on on him. That's the

468
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way I took it. So if that is the case,

469
00:24:45.559 --> 00:24:48.359
that was my favorite scene. I loved that. Just that

470
00:24:48.599 --> 00:24:50.519
simple thing of not closing the door.

471
00:24:50.359 --> 00:24:55.240
On him, that is profound. I didn't even think about that.

472
00:24:55.640 --> 00:24:59.359
But yeah, the fact that she immediately regrets what she

473
00:24:59.400 --> 00:25:02.440
did in the car mm hmm, she goes back. Yeah,

474
00:25:02.880 --> 00:25:05.319
because her whole struggle throughout the movie is will you

475
00:25:05.319 --> 00:25:08.240
know because we we we learned that they've been in couples.

476
00:25:08.000 --> 00:25:10.000
Therapy for a while, right, and then they quit?

477
00:25:10.519 --> 00:25:12.440
Yeah, and then they quit and I you know, she

478
00:25:12.960 --> 00:25:14.680
clearly looks like she's at a point of giving up.

479
00:25:14.680 --> 00:25:18.640
But that simple gesture with the door, I didn't even

480
00:25:18.680 --> 00:25:24.599
pick up on that. That's that's brilliant. And uh, if

481
00:25:24.599 --> 00:25:29.240
that was intentional, then wow. And if it wasn't intentional, well,

482
00:25:29.400 --> 00:25:33.119
you just made a whole lot of a whole lot

483
00:25:33.119 --> 00:25:35.440
of lists. You know, people are gonna be stealing that

484
00:25:35.440 --> 00:25:38.119
from you. Man, Yeah, what about you?

485
00:25:38.160 --> 00:25:39.359
What was your favorite?

486
00:25:39.880 --> 00:25:43.839
Hmmm, that's a tough one because you know, well, I

487
00:25:43.839 --> 00:25:46.240
can't top what you just said, because now you know,

488
00:25:46.279 --> 00:25:48.720
I'm thinking, whoa that that was a great scene for me.

489
00:25:48.799 --> 00:25:52.400
It might be you know, Toby Maguire taking care of

490
00:25:53.160 --> 00:25:56.680
Kitty Holmes and kind of you know you got you

491
00:25:56.720 --> 00:26:01.200
got Elton John playing in the background and just seeing

492
00:26:01.279 --> 00:26:05.119
him his righteousness, like there's a look on his face

493
00:26:05.160 --> 00:26:08.480
that he just seems proud of himself for doing the

494
00:26:08.519 --> 00:26:13.480
right thing. Maybe so it might be that to go

495
00:26:13.519 --> 00:26:17.920
into a darker moment though. One of the first times

496
00:26:17.920 --> 00:26:21.359
you see Sigourney Weaver and Kevin Kleine after they've just

497
00:26:22.279 --> 00:26:25.359
had an affair, but he's just laying there kind of

498
00:26:25.359 --> 00:26:28.640
talking about his problems, and then she just cuts him

499
00:26:28.640 --> 00:26:32.960
off quickly and she's like, hey, you're boring me. I

500
00:26:33.000 --> 00:26:35.880
have a husband. I don't need another one. Just the

501
00:26:35.920 --> 00:26:39.279
way she eviscerates him in that moment. Again, I said, like,

502
00:26:39.319 --> 00:26:42.440
I really had a hard time liking her, but I

503
00:26:42.480 --> 00:26:46.839
you know, I love for what it's worth. I think

504
00:26:46.880 --> 00:26:49.079
the women in this movie are really powerful.

505
00:26:49.960 --> 00:26:51.720
An he's good at.

506
00:26:51.640 --> 00:26:56.680
Hey, yeah, he's great at this, whether you like morally,

507
00:26:57.000 --> 00:27:00.119
whether you like what they're doing or not morally. When

508
00:27:00.119 --> 00:27:02.240
you're talking about Joe Allen, when you're talking about Christina Ricci,

509
00:27:02.519 --> 00:27:06.680
when you're talking about Sigourney Weaver, they seem to always

510
00:27:06.720 --> 00:27:10.319
be in control and just have a great way of

511
00:27:10.359 --> 00:27:12.720
dominating the men in this movie and putting them in

512
00:27:12.759 --> 00:27:15.799
their place right time and time again. So I like

513
00:27:15.839 --> 00:27:18.640
that one too. So anything other than the uncomfortable bathroom

514
00:27:18.680 --> 00:27:20.920
scene at being in the movie that doesn't sit well.

515
00:27:20.799 --> 00:27:23.200
With you, that's obviously, that's the biggest one that doesn't

516
00:27:23.200 --> 00:27:26.160
sit well with me for a good reason, you know,

517
00:27:26.200 --> 00:27:28.920
and it needed to be there to help drive those characters.

518
00:27:29.240 --> 00:27:33.000
But I'm kind of torn because you know what a

519
00:27:33.039 --> 00:27:35.680
big music buffy on when it comes to music scores

520
00:27:35.720 --> 00:27:39.920
and stuff like that. So Michael Dana, who did the

521
00:27:40.000 --> 00:27:43.759
music for this film, his music was really really good,

522
00:27:44.240 --> 00:27:47.119
don't get me wrong, but there are elements of the

523
00:27:47.160 --> 00:27:52.000
score that I felt was almost too Asian, too Native

524
00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:54.880
American for this type of film. I don't know what

525
00:27:54.880 --> 00:27:57.160
that instrument is, but you know what I'm talking about

526
00:27:57.599 --> 00:27:59.920
I is too. He goes to it quite quite a bit.

527
00:28:01.200 --> 00:28:03.880
It almost felt like it didn't fit the film, but

528
00:28:03.920 --> 00:28:05.759
then at other times it felt like it did fit

529
00:28:05.839 --> 00:28:08.200
the film. So I'm kind of torn it.

530
00:28:08.880 --> 00:28:11.519
I you know, I immediately picked up on that at

531
00:28:11.559 --> 00:28:15.039
the beginning of watching this because it's it's similar. You know,

532
00:28:15.160 --> 00:28:17.200
we had talked a couple weeks ago. We talked about

533
00:28:17.200 --> 00:28:22.799
Thrown of Blood, and we talked about that no style

534
00:28:22.839 --> 00:28:25.640
of filmmaking, or I should say a theater, not filmmaking,

535
00:28:25.880 --> 00:28:29.000
that no style of theater where they it's very minimalist.

536
00:28:29.039 --> 00:28:33.000
And then even the drum and the flute, it's all

537
00:28:33.319 --> 00:28:37.759
very minimal And maybe it's because Kirasawa was fresh in

538
00:28:37.759 --> 00:28:41.200
my mind when when I watched this recently. But you're

539
00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:48.599
right that that minimalist flute drum combo. It's beautiful when

540
00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:51.880
you hear it, but it does seem out of place

541
00:28:52.559 --> 00:28:56.680
in nineteen seventy three Connecticut, right, And for what it's worth,

542
00:28:56.720 --> 00:29:00.839
I'm glad they could easily just drown on this movie

543
00:29:01.319 --> 00:29:06.799
in you know, classic seventies, you know, early seventies disco rock,

544
00:29:07.599 --> 00:29:09.680
and I'm glad they have they didn't, you know, you

545
00:29:09.720 --> 00:29:12.680
have you hear a little bit of it at the

546
00:29:12.839 --> 00:29:15.279
at the key party, you hear you know, obviously you

547
00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:19.839
hear Elton John at Katie Holmes place. But other than that,

548
00:29:19.880 --> 00:29:23.839
you don't hear any And I'm glad me too, but yeah,

549
00:29:23.920 --> 00:29:28.279
I'll agree with you. While the music's beautiful, maybe feels

550
00:29:28.319 --> 00:29:31.680
a little out of place with the with the subject matter.

551
00:29:32.519 --> 00:29:34.079
So you want to talk a little bit about ang Lee?

552
00:29:35.519 --> 00:29:37.759
This is episode it is.

553
00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:40.519
It is let's are we gonna talk about the ending first?

554
00:29:40.759 --> 00:29:43.240
Or do we want to talk about ang Lee? Because

555
00:29:43.240 --> 00:29:45.000
there's a little bit about the ending that I would

556
00:29:45.039 --> 00:29:46.319
like to talk about of the film.

557
00:29:46.880 --> 00:29:50.640
You know what you are now the co host, so uh,

558
00:29:50.680 --> 00:29:52.839
you know, you call the shot, we will. You will

559
00:29:52.839 --> 00:29:53.880
talk about whatever you want.

560
00:29:53.720 --> 00:29:55.359
To talk about. I like, I like to talk a

561
00:29:55.359 --> 00:29:56.279
little bit about the ending.

562
00:29:56.680 --> 00:29:57.519
All right, let's do it.

563
00:29:57.880 --> 00:30:00.640
So if anybody who's not watched the film, go watch

564
00:30:00.640 --> 00:30:02.799
it first and then come back and listen to this podcast,

565
00:30:03.160 --> 00:30:04.799
because we don't want to ruin anything for you.

566
00:30:05.400 --> 00:30:07.119
They've had time. It's this came out in ninety seven,

567
00:30:07.240 --> 00:30:08.880
ninety seven, got plenty of time, plenty of time.

568
00:30:09.240 --> 00:30:13.119
But obviously, you know, with the simple death and you

569
00:30:13.200 --> 00:30:15.079
kind of knew where the film was going. I didn't

570
00:30:15.079 --> 00:30:18.160
read the book. So when Elijah With's character went out

571
00:30:18.200 --> 00:30:20.799
into the ice storm, and you know, and he's on

572
00:30:20.839 --> 00:30:22.599
the I guess what is the the diving board, I'm

573
00:30:22.599 --> 00:30:25.240
guessing is what that was that he's playing with. He's

574
00:30:25.279 --> 00:30:26.440
playing with death already.

575
00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:27.880
Can we can we talk about that scene?

576
00:30:28.279 --> 00:30:30.839
Oh my gosh, that was like so intense. Like I

577
00:30:30.880 --> 00:30:32.200
was on the edge of my seat that whole time.

578
00:30:32.240 --> 00:30:33.319
I'm like, dude, what are you doing?

579
00:30:34.000 --> 00:30:40.000
Yeah, listen, And that's again it is shot brilliantly because

580
00:30:40.039 --> 00:30:44.960
my heart was in my throat. Yep, you know. He again,

581
00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:47.880
he's he he's he's got such a passion for science

582
00:30:48.519 --> 00:30:51.480
and nature. So I think he tells his little brother

583
00:30:51.960 --> 00:30:56.720
he's going outside because because of the molecules, everything stops everything. So, yep,

584
00:30:56.880 --> 00:31:01.880
you can just breathe pure you know, oxygen. That's fine

585
00:31:01.960 --> 00:31:03.599
enough if you want to go check out the trees

586
00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:06.079
and the power lines and see all the ice. This

587
00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:10.440
guy is on the diving board, on the ice covered

588
00:31:10.440 --> 00:31:17.839
diving board, in snow gloshes and in an empty pool. Yeah,

589
00:31:17.960 --> 00:31:20.519
and he's kind of sort of slipping around and then

590
00:31:20.599 --> 00:31:24.079
he starts to hop yeah, and then catches himself and

591
00:31:24.079 --> 00:31:26.440
I was like, he's like it's like he's like a daredevil.

592
00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:30.880
I'm like, get off the board. I'm freaking out because

593
00:31:30.960 --> 00:31:34.119
I thought for sure he was a slip crack his

594
00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:35.599
head and be dead in the pool.

595
00:31:35.799 --> 00:31:38.000
Yeah, I mean it angly, it's such a good job

596
00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:41.160
of directing that scene because there again, you hear just

597
00:31:41.200 --> 00:31:43.440
the elements of the weather. You hear like the ice,

598
00:31:43.920 --> 00:31:46.160
you know, and he's like sliding all over the place,

599
00:31:46.200 --> 00:31:48.960
and the way the camera was angled, You're like, Okay,

600
00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:50.839
this is where it's gonna happen. I mean, I didn't

601
00:31:50.880 --> 00:31:53.319
know his character is that's I mean, I knew his

602
00:31:53.400 --> 00:31:55.359
character probably was going to die, but I thought that

603
00:31:55.480 --> 00:31:58.640
was going to be the spot, and I was pleasantly

604
00:31:58.680 --> 00:32:00.440
surprised when it didn't happen. But then and when he's

605
00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:03.400
out walking around, you know, and gets on the guard rail,

606
00:32:03.440 --> 00:32:04.880
then you see that power line. Soon as I saw

607
00:32:04.880 --> 00:32:06.799
that power line, like and here we go.

608
00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:09.599
So you saw, you know, here's what I because I

609
00:32:09.640 --> 00:32:14.519
hadn't I hadn't read the book either. So after that

610
00:32:14.519 --> 00:32:17.720
that intense moment on the diving board, yep, and he

611
00:32:17.759 --> 00:32:21.119
has basically cheated death. I feel at this point, okay,

612
00:32:21.160 --> 00:32:23.799
Elijah would he's invincible. He and we've liked him the

613
00:32:23.839 --> 00:32:26.640
whole movie, right this, this kid hasn't done a single

614
00:32:26.680 --> 00:32:32.559
thing that you can disagree with, you know, and he's

615
00:32:32.559 --> 00:32:34.960
even being safe, like he's kind of slide, slowly sliding

616
00:32:34.960 --> 00:32:37.279
down the road. Yeah, so trying to walk. I'm like,

617
00:32:37.720 --> 00:32:39.039
this kid's okay, we're good.

618
00:32:39.319 --> 00:32:40.279
And he dressed it properly.

619
00:32:40.319 --> 00:32:43.400
I mean he was almost appropriately. Yeah, sitting on a

620
00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:46.160
guard well one hundred feet away, and then to see

621
00:32:46.160 --> 00:32:49.480
what happens. Yeah, and just that quick shot of his

622
00:32:49.599 --> 00:32:53.160
eyes where he realizes it before before I mean, it's

623
00:32:53.160 --> 00:32:56.119
too late he realizes it, but it's happening as he

624
00:32:56.160 --> 00:33:00.119
realizes it. Yeah, I was like, whoa, and it's shot. Yeah,

625
00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:01.000
It's so simple.

626
00:33:01.799 --> 00:33:04.079
And so they just when when he died and the

627
00:33:04.079 --> 00:33:07.359
body just started to slide all that, I'm like, oh

628
00:33:07.400 --> 00:33:10.640
my gosh, that was hard. I mean it was that

629
00:33:10.839 --> 00:33:11.440
was rough.

630
00:33:12.319 --> 00:33:16.759
And then just slow face down sliding down the asphalt.

631
00:33:16.799 --> 00:33:17.680
I'm like, oh, come on.

632
00:33:18.160 --> 00:33:20.640
Yeah, yeah, that was that was tough to watch. And

633
00:33:20.680 --> 00:33:23.920
then of course when Kevin Klein is the one who

634
00:33:23.960 --> 00:33:27.000
finds him and and he brings him back home and

635
00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:29.319
it just that's where you know, the chaos starts to erupt.

636
00:33:29.920 --> 00:33:32.079
But one of the things that I really loved about

637
00:33:32.079 --> 00:33:34.519
the ending, and I think this is why ang Lee's,

638
00:33:34.640 --> 00:33:36.440
like I said earlier, is why Angley jumped on this

639
00:33:36.559 --> 00:33:39.640
was because the climax of the film, when it just

640
00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:42.119
how subtle it was when they go to the train

641
00:33:42.160 --> 00:33:46.119
station to to pick up Paul. You know, he gets

642
00:33:46.160 --> 00:33:48.559
off gets off the train, and nobody says anything to him.

643
00:33:48.680 --> 00:33:51.720
It's just you know, it's just eye contact back and forth,

644
00:33:52.359 --> 00:33:53.680
you know, and you can kind of tell. I think

645
00:33:53.720 --> 00:33:57.200
Paul realizes something's wrong, so then he comes down to him,

646
00:33:57.200 --> 00:33:59.000
you know, and then they basically walk to the car.

647
00:33:59.119 --> 00:34:01.920
They get into the car and then you know, Kevin

648
00:34:01.960 --> 00:34:04.119
Kline's just sitting there in the front seat and everybody's

649
00:34:04.160 --> 00:34:06.119
in there, and it's like that when Kevin Kleine just

650
00:34:06.160 --> 00:34:09.639
turns and like looks back at his son and then

651
00:34:09.719 --> 00:34:13.280
turns back and just breaks down. I love that ending.

652
00:34:13.360 --> 00:34:16.320
I mean, I know powerful, it was very powerful, and

653
00:34:16.360 --> 00:34:18.239
I know they're probably people are like, well, there could

654
00:34:18.239 --> 00:34:20.000
have been more. No, there couldn't have been more.

655
00:34:20.079 --> 00:34:20.159
No.

656
00:34:20.800 --> 00:34:23.280
That was the perfect spot to end that film because

657
00:34:23.480 --> 00:34:26.119
right then and there. You've gone this whole time with

658
00:34:26.280 --> 00:34:28.880
Kevin Klein's character. You know, you've seen what he's been

659
00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:32.480
going through, and at that moment, he finally realizes what

660
00:34:32.519 --> 00:34:35.119
the hell have I been doing and he breaks down.

661
00:34:35.719 --> 00:34:38.360
Yeah. I think it's I think it's really smart that

662
00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:43.440
they didn't cut back to either Paul or Wendy in

663
00:34:43.480 --> 00:34:46.480
the back seat after he starts crying to see their

664
00:34:46.480 --> 00:34:49.599
reaction to it. I love that at that point when

665
00:34:49.639 --> 00:34:54.199
you when you just cut to black, I'm like, you

666
00:34:54.760 --> 00:34:57.480
you're you're just you know, it's a gut punch, it is,

667
00:34:57.920 --> 00:35:00.199
I don't know, you know, You're you're thinking, what this

668
00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:03.119
poor family. You know, you hope that they'll become a

669
00:35:03.159 --> 00:35:08.199
stronger family for what's happened, but there's no guarantee that

670
00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:10.719
is going to happen. You know, And we've.

671
00:35:10.519 --> 00:35:13.440
Discussed before in some other podcast where you know, the

672
00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:17.039
director explains stuff too much and you're taking stuff something

673
00:35:17.039 --> 00:35:20.360
from your audience. This is a perfect example of being

674
00:35:20.960 --> 00:35:23.599
not explaining everything to your audience and just leaving the

675
00:35:23.719 --> 00:35:26.320
ending for your audience to fill in the blanks with

676
00:35:26.400 --> 00:35:28.639
the rest of that story. And I love that.

677
00:35:29.360 --> 00:35:31.840
So let's talk a little bit about Angley. Sure, because

678
00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:36.719
he's got he's got a very impressive filmography. Yeah, Now

679
00:35:36.760 --> 00:35:41.480
he leaves Dave. You mentioned his earlier work, so i'll

680
00:35:41.519 --> 00:35:45.880
reference that. So he leaves Taiwan in nineteen seventy five,

681
00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:50.360
he hits America, ends up at New York University getting

682
00:35:50.360 --> 00:35:55.519
his master's degree in film production. Meets another soon to

683
00:35:55.519 --> 00:35:57.039
be famous Lee, Spike Lee.

684
00:35:57.199 --> 00:35:57.920
Spike Lee.

685
00:35:58.159 --> 00:36:01.000
Yeah, he's assistant director for Spike Lee student film in

686
00:36:01.079 --> 00:36:03.519
nineteen eighty three, which I think that's pretty cool.

687
00:36:03.599 --> 00:36:04.639
That is really cool.

688
00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:06.880
I mean, that's why I'd love to see these guys

689
00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:09.559
get back together again, because you know what's good happen. Yep.

690
00:36:10.119 --> 00:36:14.000
But yeah, yeah, you mentioned his his pension for like

691
00:36:14.679 --> 00:36:17.880
family topics. So his first three movies right out the

692
00:36:18.039 --> 00:36:19.880
right out the gates, it's kind of known as the

693
00:36:20.280 --> 00:36:24.400
Taiwanese Culture Generational Trilogy. One. They got a lot of

694
00:36:24.440 --> 00:36:26.320
RECOGNI the all three films got a lot of recognition,

695
00:36:26.400 --> 00:36:29.440
got a lot of awards. But it's not until nineteen

696
00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:34.400
ninety five he hits mainstream Hollywood with his uh Best

697
00:36:34.440 --> 00:36:40.760
Picture nominated Sense and Sensibility was it Emma Thompson and that? Yeah,

698
00:36:40.880 --> 00:36:41.800
did you see that one.

699
00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:46.400
You know, I have not seen that film. Surprisingly, I know.

700
00:36:46.760 --> 00:36:49.840
I believe that was a Jane Austen novel. I believe, but.

701
00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:52.079
Yeah, yeah, Jane Austin.

702
00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:52.559
Yep.

703
00:36:53.360 --> 00:36:54.920
I was hoping you could give us a little bit

704
00:36:54.920 --> 00:36:58.239
of dramatic cinematic weight here because I haven't seen it either,

705
00:36:58.440 --> 00:37:00.000
So shame on both of us.

706
00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:02.639
Both of us are such a big classic film of

707
00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:03.480
not saying.

708
00:37:03.679 --> 00:37:05.840
I promise I will now go back and see it

709
00:37:05.960 --> 00:37:08.239
me too. All Right, Well, you know, obviously we're talking

710
00:37:08.239 --> 00:37:09.840
about the Ice Storm. He does that two years later

711
00:37:09.920 --> 00:37:12.719
in ninety seven. Let's skip ahead another two years of

712
00:37:12.840 --> 00:37:15.920
Dave his movie Ride with the Devil in nineteen ninety nine. Now,

713
00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:16.599
I know you saw that.

714
00:37:17.199 --> 00:37:19.159
Of course I've seen that because I know that there

715
00:37:19.159 --> 00:37:23.000
has some connections to something I love, and you know

716
00:37:23.079 --> 00:37:26.599
that's the Civil War in the history, you know where

717
00:37:26.800 --> 00:37:29.679
we joined. I believe it was what I can't think

718
00:37:29.719 --> 00:37:31.880
of a bushwhacker's name. I think is it in Kansas?

719
00:37:32.199 --> 00:37:32.920
I think it was.

720
00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:36.039
I can't say yes or no because I didn't see

721
00:37:36.079 --> 00:37:36.480
the movie.

722
00:37:36.559 --> 00:37:39.519
It's basically a militanty two for me, A militant group

723
00:37:39.559 --> 00:37:42.800
loyal to the Confederacy is what it was about. I

724
00:37:42.840 --> 00:37:45.800
can't belie, I cannot believe. I can't remember the the

725
00:37:46.440 --> 00:37:48.920
who it was about, but I know it was Toby

726
00:37:48.960 --> 00:37:49.639
Maguire again.

727
00:37:50.159 --> 00:37:53.519
Yeah, and it was he alteredge. Yeah. And what in't

728
00:37:53.559 --> 00:37:54.519
Jewel in it? Also?

729
00:37:54.639 --> 00:37:56.760
Jewel was in it? Also? Yes, it was a It

730
00:37:56.840 --> 00:38:00.119
was a pretty good film. I would highly recommend that, Jeff. So,

731
00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:02.880
since you've not seen Since Sensibility, I recommend you do

732
00:38:02.960 --> 00:38:05.320
some homework. You go see Since and Stibility, which I

733
00:38:05.320 --> 00:38:07.199
will do, and you watch Ride with the Devil is two.

734
00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:10.719
Right, Well, a year later now I know we both

735
00:38:10.719 --> 00:38:15.360
have seen this one because he made a lot of noise. Yeah,

736
00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:20.519
tons of Oscar nominations. This thing swept the nominee nominations.

737
00:38:20.559 --> 00:38:22.400
Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon.

738
00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:23.800
Yep, great film.

739
00:38:23.840 --> 00:38:28.559
I think it's it's sensational. I've always loved it. It's

740
00:38:28.559 --> 00:38:31.360
one of those I'll always always I have to watch

741
00:38:31.400 --> 00:38:34.039
at least, you know, at least once or twice a year.

742
00:38:34.239 --> 00:38:37.559
M h, it's it's it's beautiful. It's beautiful. Yeah, it's

743
00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:39.440
a beautiful film. I don't know what else to say

744
00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:43.719
about its amazing performances. Though definitely opened up my eyes

745
00:38:43.760 --> 00:38:46.000
to a lot more.

746
00:38:47.159 --> 00:38:52.079
Oh yeah, I didn't know much about Michelle Yaoo. I

747
00:38:52.119 --> 00:38:54.400
saw her in that film. I'm like, who is this?

748
00:38:54.519 --> 00:38:58.360
Because she is amazing and sure enough, I mean after

749
00:38:58.400 --> 00:38:59.800
this movie, her career took off too.

750
00:39:00.400 --> 00:39:03.519
Yeah, I remember, I remember seeing it. I remember looking

751
00:39:03.519 --> 00:39:05.840
at and going, I don't know, this looks kind of pretentious.

752
00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:08.960
I went in for Chowion fat because I know, Yeah,

753
00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:12.480
always loved his stuff in John Wuyep John wo movies,

754
00:39:13.280 --> 00:39:17.159
but was pleasantly surprised. And yeah, I can't say enough

755
00:39:17.199 --> 00:39:21.320
good things about Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. Sadly, there are

756
00:39:22.360 --> 00:39:25.320
few things, few good things I can say about his

757
00:39:25.400 --> 00:39:30.960
next his next film, two thousand and three. We We

758
00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:35.360
We comic book movie fans, get what we were, not

759
00:39:35.440 --> 00:39:41.079
what we were exactly hoping for Angley's Hulk. This should

760
00:39:41.079 --> 00:39:45.800
have worked, right, You've got Eric Banna playing Bruce Banner,

761
00:39:47.440 --> 00:39:51.480
perfect casting in my opinion. The trailer. I still to

762
00:39:51.519 --> 00:39:53.760
this day remember the trailer where it was just that

763
00:39:53.840 --> 00:39:57.639
simple shot of him looking in the bathroom mirror yep

764
00:39:57.719 --> 00:40:00.920
and trying to control himself, and I thought, oh my god,

765
00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:03.000
this is gonna be so it's gonna be an epic movie.

766
00:40:03.360 --> 00:40:11.199
Nick Nolty cast a great cast, a terrible film. Yeah, unfortunately,

767
00:40:11.199 --> 00:40:13.079
just you know, it's one of those like you even

768
00:40:13.079 --> 00:40:15.880
want to go back and say, hey, it's a superhero movie.

769
00:40:16.239 --> 00:40:19.599
It's been a while, I'll go revisit it. No, you

770
00:40:19.639 --> 00:40:22.159
should not revisit it. I'm sorry, and.

771
00:40:22.039 --> 00:40:25.840
I just I think Angley realized that wasn't something he

772
00:40:25.880 --> 00:40:28.599
should be going after, and which is why he returned

773
00:40:28.639 --> 00:40:30.800
to something he really knows, and that would be Broke

774
00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:35.039
Back Mountain, which was his next film. Yeah, so that

775
00:40:35.320 --> 00:40:37.360
the next big film. Yeah to two thousand and five.

776
00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:41.320
I'm not a big fan of that movie, but it

777
00:40:41.440 --> 00:40:43.320
is a really good Yeah, it's a really good film.

778
00:40:43.320 --> 00:40:45.440
Don't get me wrong. It's another one of those movies

779
00:40:45.440 --> 00:40:47.159
that were like, I've seen it once and I don't

780
00:40:47.199 --> 00:40:50.519
really want to revisit it, at least maybe not right now,

781
00:40:50.559 --> 00:40:53.760
but maybe later down the road I probably would. He's

782
00:40:53.800 --> 00:40:56.039
a really good film directed well, you know, so.

783
00:40:56.280 --> 00:41:00.239
Well he won he won the Best Director. Yeah, yeah,

784
00:41:00.280 --> 00:41:04.079
I remember. You know, obviously a lot of controversy about

785
00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:06.679
the subject matter, of course, but I was I thought

786
00:41:06.719 --> 00:41:09.599
to myself, it's got to be good. I mean, it's

787
00:41:09.639 --> 00:41:13.679
you know, I've seen what Ainley can do. And you've

788
00:41:13.679 --> 00:41:16.679
got some amazing actors in this. I'll tell you right now.

789
00:41:16.719 --> 00:41:19.960
I actually went to the theater alone, saw this by myself,

790
00:41:20.320 --> 00:41:23.639
and it was one of those movies obviously you're not

791
00:41:23.639 --> 00:41:26.199
expecting Easter eggs at the end of the credits. I

792
00:41:26.239 --> 00:41:28.639
sat there the whole time just watching the credits role

793
00:41:28.679 --> 00:41:31.119
and listen to music and just kind of absorbing what

794
00:41:31.239 --> 00:41:35.800
I had seen. Yeah, sensational movie. Absolutely, I cannot say

795
00:41:35.880 --> 00:41:41.840
enough good about it. Let's jump to twenty twelve. He

796
00:41:41.880 --> 00:41:44.920
gets another Best Director when for Life of Pie? Now

797
00:41:44.960 --> 00:41:45.719
did you see that one?

798
00:41:46.519 --> 00:41:50.079
I have not what I know how big of a

799
00:41:50.079 --> 00:41:52.559
film that is. I know what it's about, but I

800
00:41:52.599 --> 00:41:55.000
have never seen it, just the whole tiger stuff that

801
00:41:55.039 --> 00:41:58.119
they went through to film. I believe it's a I

802
00:41:58.159 --> 00:42:00.199
don't know the main character's name, but he's like train

803
00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:02.320
it on a boat with a tiger. Is that correct?

804
00:42:02.400 --> 00:42:05.280
Yeah, he's it's like a small boat. And when I

805
00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:08.679
say small, it's like the tiger's almost on him. You know.

806
00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:13.880
It's such a good movie though. I again, it shot

807
00:42:14.119 --> 00:42:19.199
very beautifully and you would you would think, like cgi tiger,

808
00:42:19.599 --> 00:42:21.320
you know, are they gonna make it look real enough

809
00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:24.360
for one second. I never thought like, oh yeah, that's

810
00:42:24.400 --> 00:42:28.280
not real. It felt real the whole time. So that

811
00:42:28.360 --> 00:42:30.679
was one of that. You know, I did see it once.

812
00:42:31.280 --> 00:42:34.079
I haven't seen it since, you know, so I saw.

813
00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:36.559
I saw it in twenty twelve, so it's been ten years.

814
00:42:36.599 --> 00:42:38.800
But I would definitely recommend that one, and I would

815
00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:40.159
definitely go back and see that one again.

816
00:42:40.320 --> 00:42:42.639
This, you know, just speaking about Angley in his filmography,

817
00:42:42.639 --> 00:42:44.199
it makes me want to see these films so that

818
00:42:44.199 --> 00:42:45.719
I've done, and it almost makes me like I can't

819
00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:47.840
believe I've not seen that. It's like a little embarrassing,

820
00:42:47.920 --> 00:42:50.039
but I'm gonna go back and watch them, I promise.

821
00:42:50.119 --> 00:42:53.480
Yeah. Well, just a couple of years ago, twenty nineteen,

822
00:42:54.039 --> 00:42:57.920
he put out The Gemini. Man, I gotta be honest,

823
00:42:58.679 --> 00:43:01.360
not only at first I wanted to see it because

824
00:43:01.360 --> 00:43:06.239
of the whole gimmick Will Smith against young Will Smith. Yeah,

825
00:43:06.280 --> 00:43:09.239
and just because the technology they at that point they

826
00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:11.920
have figured out the digital, the aging.

827
00:43:13.000 --> 00:43:14.199
I was entertained by it.

828
00:43:14.639 --> 00:43:17.719
Okay, so you saw so I haven't seen it.

829
00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:20.800
It's just it's just like all I can remember is

830
00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:23.800
that it's a clone of himself. You know, he worked

831
00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:27.400
for this organization where he think he kills people and

832
00:43:27.440 --> 00:43:29.559
he wants to retire, but they won't let him retire,

833
00:43:29.599 --> 00:43:32.000
so they have cloned him and they send the clone

834
00:43:32.039 --> 00:43:35.800
after him to killing. That's basically what it's about.

835
00:43:36.199 --> 00:43:37.559
So he's so good at his job.

836
00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:40.679
Yeah, they don't want to let him go. Yeah, so

837
00:43:40.719 --> 00:43:42.559
they cloned him and they bring they send the clone

838
00:43:42.599 --> 00:43:46.280
after to killing. And it's really good. It's got some

839
00:43:46.400 --> 00:43:49.519
really good action sequences, which again ang Lee is really

840
00:43:49.519 --> 00:43:53.400
good at. And you're right, the younger uh c g

841
00:43:53.599 --> 00:43:57.239
I version of Will Smith has done really well. Like

842
00:43:57.280 --> 00:43:59.559
there there's when they're fighting each other, you're like, holy

843
00:43:59.599 --> 00:44:02.079
crapic not believe they filmed this and made it look

844
00:44:02.199 --> 00:44:02.719
this good.

845
00:44:03.280 --> 00:44:07.960
So yes, it's streaming on Hulu right now. So if

846
00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:10.360
you're telling me give it a watch, I'll I will,

847
00:44:10.440 --> 00:44:11.639
I'll put it, I'll put on the list.

848
00:44:11.960 --> 00:44:16.480
It's not like award winning movie or anything like that,

849
00:44:16.599 --> 00:44:18.800
like Life of Pie or you know, any sensitis Ability

850
00:44:18.840 --> 00:44:21.719
or anything like that, but it's it's an entertaining movie.

851
00:44:21.800 --> 00:44:23.320
I enjoy it.

852
00:44:23.440 --> 00:44:25.079
Good action, flip sci fi.

853
00:44:24.760 --> 00:44:29.000
Yeah right, I'm up for that. So, since we're talking

854
00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:32.559
about Angley's filmography, Jeff, what what's he got next on

855
00:44:32.599 --> 00:44:33.280
the on the plate?

856
00:44:34.639 --> 00:44:36.840
Actually I do, I do know about this. I know

857
00:44:36.880 --> 00:44:38.199
we like to talk about like what we'd like to

858
00:44:38.199 --> 00:44:41.400
see next. Uh he does have something in development that

859
00:44:41.480 --> 00:44:45.360
I am very excited for. The title of the film

860
00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:49.360
is called Thrilla in Manila, which from that I'm sure

861
00:44:49.400 --> 00:44:51.960
you have you figured out it's all about the uh

862
00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:56.519
Ali Frasier fight in the Philippines. Okay, yeah, yeah, so

863
00:44:56.840 --> 00:45:00.760
right now, no one attached to star. It's, like I said,

864
00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:06.400
it's in development, so who knows. But it's perfect because

865
00:45:06.800 --> 00:45:08.239
you know, we talk about what we'd like to see

866
00:45:08.280 --> 00:45:11.320
the director do next. I feel like, based on his

867
00:45:11.360 --> 00:45:14.840
body of work, I think he is best when he's

868
00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:19.639
doing subject matter that's that hits closer to home, real people,

869
00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:23.119
real problems. Yep. So I've always wanted to see what

870
00:45:23.159 --> 00:45:26.480
he could do in a biography type situation, and this

871
00:45:27.000 --> 00:45:29.519
I kind of feel like it's gonna be as like

872
00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:32.960
a close, you know, substitute for a biography. But you

873
00:45:33.039 --> 00:45:35.199
because I always wanted to seeingly do a biography maybe

874
00:45:35.199 --> 00:45:38.760
on like soun Sue or or something like that. Yeah,

875
00:45:38.840 --> 00:45:41.559
you know, but I'm happy to see what he could

876
00:45:41.559 --> 00:45:43.159
do with Ali and Fraser.

877
00:45:43.800 --> 00:45:46.079
Well, I mean, he excels at that kind of stuff.

878
00:45:46.159 --> 00:45:48.360
So the fact that he is doing it, that's going

879
00:45:48.440 --> 00:45:50.079
to be a brilliant film. I have a feeling that's

880
00:45:50.320 --> 00:45:53.719
on me. He might be revisiting the Oscars after that one.

881
00:45:54.119 --> 00:45:59.920
Absolutely absolutely. Now, if if you're his agent, what would

882
00:45:59.960 --> 00:46:02.159
you want to see him do next? What project would

883
00:46:02.199 --> 00:46:03.039
you turn him onto?

884
00:46:03.119 --> 00:46:07.480
David you kind of already touched on it a little bit,

885
00:46:07.599 --> 00:46:11.519
you know, sticking with a biography. Who that would be?

886
00:46:11.679 --> 00:46:15.320
I'm not sure, but try to find some true story

887
00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:19.840
somewhere that And you know, he's really good at female stories.

888
00:46:20.519 --> 00:46:22.400
I'm not saying he's good at other stories too, you know,

889
00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:26.119
but he's really good about bringing the strength of a

890
00:46:26.199 --> 00:46:30.320
woman to the screen and showing just how powerful they are.

891
00:46:31.000 --> 00:46:36.079
And I find another woman somewhere I know, and I

892
00:46:36.079 --> 00:46:38.880
don't say I would be this one. But what about

893
00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:41.519
Amelia Earhart? You know, I know we've had some movies

894
00:46:41.559 --> 00:46:45.440
about her, but something like that. I'm not saying her,

895
00:46:45.960 --> 00:46:49.079
but something in those on that line. Just do a

896
00:46:49.119 --> 00:46:54.440
biography of a famous female person in history and let

897
00:46:54.519 --> 00:46:56.480
that be his next film, because I think he has

898
00:46:56.519 --> 00:46:59.480
such potential in that area and it would bring him

899
00:46:59.519 --> 00:47:00.679
another offer.

900
00:47:01.519 --> 00:47:04.880
Okay, I like that. Uh. And if there's been movies

901
00:47:04.920 --> 00:47:09.159
about Emlia Earhart, either they're they're good and they're small

902
00:47:09.960 --> 00:47:12.440
or are there not good? Because I I can't recover

903
00:47:12.440 --> 00:47:15.639
for seeing one. I can't, you know, so I could Uh,

904
00:47:15.719 --> 00:47:17.480
I could go for that too. I would definitely watch

905
00:47:17.480 --> 00:47:21.360
those movies. As far as watching this one, what do

906
00:47:21.400 --> 00:47:25.239
you does this get the the Dave Burns recommendation? Do

907
00:47:25.079 --> 00:47:25.639
you do you want to.

908
00:47:27.320 --> 00:47:29.440
See this movie? It's it's well worth your time to

909
00:47:29.480 --> 00:47:29.840
watch it.

910
00:47:30.440 --> 00:47:33.079
Absolutely. Any final thoughts about the movie day that you

911
00:47:33.119 --> 00:47:33.800
want to share.

912
00:47:34.119 --> 00:47:37.760
No, I mean, just another quality product from ang Lee

913
00:47:38.639 --> 00:47:41.320
from beginning to end. If you've noticed the stuff that

914
00:47:41.360 --> 00:47:44.079
we didn't like that it really isn't that bad. It

915
00:47:44.159 --> 00:47:46.679
isn't you know, It's just part of the film. Uh

916
00:47:46.719 --> 00:47:49.320
you know. So it's a really good film, great cast,

917
00:47:49.920 --> 00:47:53.760
well written, well directed. Uh So, definitely check it out.

918
00:47:54.079 --> 00:47:56.920
I could not say it better. I caught this on

919
00:47:56.920 --> 00:47:58.960
on Amazon Prime. I you know, I didn't own a

920
00:47:58.960 --> 00:48:00.880
copy of it, so I rented it. Cost me a

921
00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:02.760
couple of bucks. I didn't see that it was streaming

922
00:48:02.880 --> 00:48:05.920
free anywhere, but it is out there. So whether you

923
00:48:05.960 --> 00:48:09.920
want to buy a physical copy, which I tend to recommend,

924
00:48:10.119 --> 00:48:11.679
you know, especially if I like the movie, I'm gonna

925
00:48:11.679 --> 00:48:14.360
get one. But if you're curious and you want to

926
00:48:14.400 --> 00:48:18.039
check it out, pull up a Google, pull up YouTube,

927
00:48:18.079 --> 00:48:21.880
pull up Amazon Prime, spend a couple of bucks and

928
00:48:22.000 --> 00:48:25.519
enjoy this because it is definitely one to see and

929
00:48:25.840 --> 00:48:30.039
as far as one want to hear, you can check

930
00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:33.599
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931
00:48:33.639 --> 00:48:37.239
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932
00:48:37.800 --> 00:48:40.360
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933
00:48:40.400 --> 00:48:43.519
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934
00:48:43.519 --> 00:48:47.119
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935
00:48:47.559 --> 00:48:51.880
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942
00:49:10.199 --> 00:49:14.519
for us. We are coming back pretty strong in the

943
00:49:14.519 --> 00:49:18.400
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944
00:49:19.239 --> 00:49:23.400
action talking. We got uh, we got Tim Burton. I

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think we got Tim Burton coming next, Is that right, Mark?

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Or is it?

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Uh?

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Colin Trevoro.

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It's safety guaranteed with.

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Safety, safety not guaranteed. Yeah, we got Tre's got a

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little dinosaur movie coming out soon, I think, right, A

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little one, Yeah, a little one yeah, an indie. Yeah.

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So we'll we talk well, we'll talk about Colin Trevor

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and then we'll definitely get to Tim Burton. We'll have

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some fun in the in the month of June, but uh,

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as always. Uh first, thank you Dave for for filling

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in for my my co host, co creator of the

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of the podcast, Brad Kozo. I think you will be

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a wonderful substitute, probably getting back sooner when he starts

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hearing what you're doing, because he's gonna go, all right

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placed if I'm going.

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To now, it was great to be here.

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Thank you, awesome. All right, We'll see you guys next time.