May 4, 2025

Bill Paxton - Frailty

Bill Paxton - Frailty
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Season 6 A Film By...

It's Bill Paxton Month here on the A Film By... Podcast! Jeff and Amber are kicking things off with a divisive conversation about Bill Paxton's directorial feature debut, Frailty!

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I'm gonna start off with a tough question. I want

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you to think about the mini amazing performances that Bill

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Paxton gave us and give me your favorite one. Oh man,

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it's not easy.

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It is not easy. I honestly, it's not a big part.

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But I think my favorite is Simon in True Lies.

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He is so thinking funny in that movie.

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Like he's such a cur it's oh.

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My gosh, Like just the fact that like, you know,

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he's lying and I don't. And then like when Arnold

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confronts this.

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Whole thing is what about the husband's if they're in business,

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I'm out of business, you know whatever? He says.

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So funny in that movie.

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Great pick, great, really great pick. You know he did

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do more than just act, though. He directed a couple

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of great films, and I want to talk about one

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of them today. So let's talk about a film by

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Bill Paxton, his two thousand and one underrated directorial debut,

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the psychological crime thriller Frailty. Hello, I'm Jeff Johnson, I'm

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Amber Lewis, and this is a film by podcast Amber

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Lewis is back.

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Uh for it's been a while, for for how long

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has yet to be determined because Amber, during her first

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time watch of today's topic, she sent me some concerning

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text messages about this film.

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Amber the Angel visited me last night and told me

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something I don't want to believe. But together, we're going

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to prove him wrong. I hope, because.

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I was. I was shocked.

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I was shocked by your initial comments and then I

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was like, I told you, just like stick with it.

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You don't you have you don't You don't know yet.

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I mean, I don't know. I still haven't. A hundred

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changed my mind.

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But well, you said something at the at the very

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end of that conversation that alluded to the fact that

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you need to you need another watch, you need to rewatch.

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Yes, it was my intention to rewatch it again this afternoon.

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I ran out of time, but.

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Put put a pin in that thought. And I want

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to I want to get to that later, Okay, But

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before we get into it, I would like to welcome

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some new Patreon members talking about Chris Connell and one

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can possibly slow Runner. Very very unique user name there,

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and you're not alone, Cam. I happened to run about

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as fast as paint drives, so I don't run ever

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does it run? She's like now I'm not doing.

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I mean, you know, if a cheat is chasing you,

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the cheat is going to catch you, so then you

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would just be tired and dead at the same time.

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Well, okay, maybe a cheetah. But this is a movie podcast.

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What if a dinosaur or like a slasher, like a

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killing machine like Michael Myers is chasing you.

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You I mean, that's like a speed walking situation. I

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could speed walk past Mike Myers, no problem, you think.

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All right, yeah, well we'll address that in October. So

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Yeah, we have got so much content on there now.

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going there, so check it out. Uh patreon dot com

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slash a film by podcast. So it's Paxton Month on

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the film by podcast. Bill Paxton born on May seventeenth.

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We love Bill, and we decided why not devote a

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whole month to him. Yes, we haven't done this before Amber,

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not not with any director, not with any actor or actress.

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Kind of dig the fact that that leading the way

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is Bill Paxton. Yes, let's uh, let's talk about Bill

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for a little bit. I'm gonna give you three facts

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and then a quote from the man so hitting you

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with a fun one right off you And I know

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you know this, Amberg, but I'm just gonna say it.

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Anyways, Please don't tell me he's from Texas, like we

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all know this.

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No, no, no, no, nothing like that. But Bill Paxton

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is in fact the only actor to be killed on

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screen by a terminator, an alien, and a predator. He's

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think about that. The three Juggernaut Juggernaut franchises, He's the

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only one that has that claim to fame.

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Cool.

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I know this kind of ties into today's episode. Uh,

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given that we're talking about frailty. Paxton was fascinated by

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forensics and uh he said, if one of those TV

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shows was on, he was stopping what he was doing

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and he was watching it.

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Oh a man after my own heart.

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Yeah, so you love those forensic files. It shows right

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true Crime.

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You love it?

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What about Pat Benatar? Are you a fan? Do you

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love her?

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Heck? Yeah, are you kidding? I'm a child of the eighties.

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Did you know that Bill Paxton learned to speak a

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little bit of German for his role in her music

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video Shadows of the Night in nineteen eight two.

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I can't believe you was in that video. Oh my god. Yes,

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he's straight to YouTube after this.

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You've got to do it. It's it's such a fun video.

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He's not the only Judge. Ryinhold's in it. Also, Pat Benatar,

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she kind of like she leads a mission into a

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Nazi compound to blow it up. Packson plays one of

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the German officers.

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I have no memory of this video.

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And he's got like the he's got like the Chet

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flat top from Weird Science Happening.

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Oh my gosh.

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Yeah, So you.

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Talk about, like, uh defining role. There was a long

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time where I could not stand to look at him

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because of Chet.

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Because of Chet.

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It's so disgusting.

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Chet was great, Hey, dudes, all right? So on making Frailty,

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Paxton said, quote, I did like the title frailty. It's

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just a one word title, like notorious or vertigo. Or

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Psycho Frailty, And then after a beat, he continued and said,

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how would old Hollywood handle this kind of material? They'd

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have handled it in a Robert Aldrich Alfred hitchcockway. So

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think about watching like and I get it, you had

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a first time watch and there's a lot thrown at you,

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this and this, what is it? Ninety nine minutes? Ninety

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eight minutes, which I.

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Do love movies like that, like a tight in and

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out do you business?

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This easily could have been like a two and a

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half hour movie. And I'm so glad it's not. It

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didn't need no huh. You know, a lesser director would

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a bog it down in like the flashback scenes or

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you know the stuff with the FBI. No, Paxton is

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keeping us moving right along. It's all the more better

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for it. But yeah, but now that you're I say that,

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all right, now that now that I've I've told you

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Bill Paxton's inspiration was Hitchcock. Thinking about the movie, can

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you see some of these scenes playing with a Hitchcock vibe?

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I mean there's one scene in particular, yes, But the

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rest of it, to me was one hundred percent of

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Stephen king short story funny.

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You should mention that name. More on that later.

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Oh really, yeah, now, because I even looked it up

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to see, like, is it based on a short story?

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And I just don't remember because this is very Stephen King.

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Well it's not. Okay, I'll just save you the suspense.

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It's not based It's not based on a Stephen King

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short story. It actually was based on a real serial

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killer who had had his son I think there's I

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think there's only one son, but had his son help him,

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and when he was caught, he explained that he was

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doing God's work. God told him to murder these people. Yeah,

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but I got I got that's I got a Stephen

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King nugget for you. I'm gonna kick that. I'm gonna

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kick that down the road. I know, I know. Like,

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like I said, this is a little bit of an

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underrated film. So for the listeners who are probably getting

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ready for a rewatch or maybe have never seen it,

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let him know what Frailty is all about it.

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Like me, I had never even heard about it. A

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mysterious man arrives at the offices of an FBI agent

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and recounts his childhood how his religious fanatic father received

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visions telling him to destroy people who were in fact demons.

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Bill Paxton said, this film is about faith, family and

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the loss of innocence, and that that's an Amber Loo

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synopsis right there.

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I mean, it's his movie, so sure, but I don't know.

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You don't know yet. Well after he read the script,

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he was terrified of playing the role of the father,

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wondering who was going to direct him. He tells the

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producer it would be important to know the character, how

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far to let him go and not go with it

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and what is subtle? And this producer, who happened to

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be his good buddy, David Kirshner, I agree with him.

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And that's when Paxton surprised him by telling him he

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wanted to be the one to direct it. I liked

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that he stepped up. He was like, he was so

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concerned about who to work with on this project. He's like, uh,

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work with myself.

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Well. And I think it's always interesting when an actor,

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especially one who had already had a very long and

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successful career, decides to move into directing, Like what is

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the first thing they direct? You know? I just find

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that like, what is this choice? Why did you make

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this choice? You know? And I think he probably felt

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so strongly about how he wanted that dad to be

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played that he just knew, like I can do it

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and I can keep control of it.

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Well, you know, the movie has a real Old Testament

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vibe to it, and as the audience, we're putting Paxton's

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character on trial for the whole movie because we don't know,

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you know, is he a religious savior or is he

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a psychopath? And I'm going to ask you without you know,

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because I don't you know, I don't know how much

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we want to spoil this movie. I don't. I definitely tricky.

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I don't want to spoil the end, like the last

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ten minutes. Okay, we can, we can. We can talk

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about a couple of things because this is like it

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came out two weeks ago, but let's not. Let's not

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spoil the ending.

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Okay, well, because it is. I mean, what for me

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kind of redeemed the whole movie.

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Yeah, Okay, I thought so. I thought so. But watching

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this your first time, though, were you completely on the

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side of his his son fitting or were you was

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there a party? Okay, you're one hundred percent.

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In your Yeah, because even like I love that that

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it was set in seventy nine.

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That's not like a year that you usually flashed back to.

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So I thought that was interesting, and it's enough modern

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age that like why is nobody going to a doctor? Why? What?

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Uh huh? And you know there they've got to be

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a little bit religious because the younger brother was already

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singing like one of those Johnny Cash religious songs, you know,

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but there was nothing. Yeah, there was nothing to indicate

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like complete lunacy.

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But so you're you're not even You're not even like

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there's not even a party that's going What if God

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spoke to Bill Paxton and told him like, like.

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If an angel came to me, I would not be

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one hundred percent I'm going to do whatever this angel said,

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I'm going to go to a doctor and get an MRI.

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Well, you know, even even even Fitton tells him at

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the dinner at the dinner table, he's like, you know,

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maybe maybe you're not right in the head.

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Dad, Yeah, I know, maybe you dreamt it and it

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was the middle of the night. I you know, he's

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under a tremendous amount of stress.

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He's a single father, you know, so he's he's so

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great in this film.

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He's so straight at towing that line between like showing

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you how terrified he is and showing you how like

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completely crazy he is.

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saw this, I I was in the camp of, well,

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this guy's lost it. He's crazy, like he's I really

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thought it was.

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Gonna turn out like he had a tumor or something.

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believe him though, I want to know that he's doing

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the Lord's work. I want to believe in him. But

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he's a psychopath, is my like, my first reaction, and

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that first when I first what I.

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Find so upsetting about the movie and what I don't

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like is it's it's a ninety minute movie, and a

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good forty five minutes of it is child abuse and manipulation.

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And I cannot stomach any of this.

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I knew this would be. I knew that would be

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the aspect that you would find difficult with this film.

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The punishments as they were, and we'll get to those

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when we talk not where the scenes, but jumping back

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to the beginning, I love the opening credit sequence with

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the vintage photos.

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Oh my gosh, I see and that's I also felt

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a little bitrayed because I was like sucked in. The

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music was so good and that credit sequence was amazing.

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Those those pictures, those actually came from true crime magazines

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that Bill Paxton had collected.

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Oh my gosh, I love it.

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So and then but and you mentioned Brian Tyler's score

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compliments it so well, it's just it gives the movie

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like this foreboding energy.

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Yes, I was suspecting a movie more like something like Malice.

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Okay, so you were, you were signed up for.

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For a thriller, but like atmospheric Okay, I don't know.

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I kind of I get lot. I feel like a

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lot of atmospheric, Like I like, I love that half

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the movie takes place in nineteen seventy nine, and it

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has that that feel to it. It feels it feels old.

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You know, it doesn't. Nothing's crisp, nothing's nice and shiny. Yes,

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you know, Amber, Let's take a quick break and when

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we get back, we got to talk about some very

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incredible performances from some very incredible actors. Welcome back, Amber

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Lewis and myself discussing Bill Paxton's directorial debut, Frailty. So

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we were talking a little bit about out Bill Paxton,

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the director, Bill Paxton, the man. Let's talk about Bill

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Paxton as the dad, you know, like, like we said,

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he he's a wonderful father, even in the darker moments

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of this film, like when he first reveals the family's

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purpose to the boys. I love that moment where young

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Adam questions whether they're superheroes and to relate to him,

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he agrees and he says, yeah, there we're a family

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of superheroes that are gonna save the world. And that shot.

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Can we just talk about the shot for a quick second.

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Did you notice that Adam, who will be on the

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dad's side the entire movie, he's sitting next to him,

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Fenton is sitting across from them, and Fenton, who is

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not on board with this insane plan. Do you notice

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how the camera slowly pulls them away, like when you're

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looking at Bill Paxton. Did you know it's like the

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pullback where it's like they're separate. Yeah, what I'm.

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Saying, watch it.

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You know what, I'm gonna go ahead, and I'm gonna

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I'm gonna go ahead and tell you this because you

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mentioned like you know, he might maybe you need a rewatch.

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Bill Paxton himself said this movie was designed for multiple

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viewings because the first time you see it, he just

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wants you to jump into the world and kind of

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be overwhelmed and maybe a little shocked at what you see.

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But then the next time you watch it, you'll start

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to pick up on all the clues and all the breadcrumbs,

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and they're scattered everywhere. I mean, I've seen it like

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fifty times, So there's so many subtle little things that

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you know McConaughey's doing, or Powers Booth is doing, or

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Bill Paxton's doing, where you're like, oh, I never saw

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that the first fourteen times. Yeah, but yeah, it's and

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it's shots like that where he specifically had his dop

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do that slow pullback to show you that Fenton is

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not on board with his father's plan and they're already separating.

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To what you were saying about him being a good

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father though, like I never for one second believed ert

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disbelieved his love for those boys, Yeah, you can't, like

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even the horrible abusive things that he does, like when

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he's looking at his son and he's panicked and he's like,

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I love you more than anything, Like you believe that.

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Yeah, Well, well, like, and I know I'm not stepping

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on scenes, but I know, like what the whole you know,

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Finn's pretty pretty pissed when he gets into the dinner

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table and he's like he gave up on and he's like,

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I'll be back. Ooh, hey, I didn't mean it like that.

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Like he He's like, I didn't mean it like that,

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Like he doesn't want to hurt his son's feelings. So

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and it's even like like teaching Adam a lesson about

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right and wrong, like after the plan is is formed

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and Adam produces his own list of demons, which just

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happens to have the school bully on it, and he's like,

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come here, son, you know, listen, Destroying demons is a

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good thing, but killing people is wrong. Do you understand

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the difference? And you know, Adam's like, yeah, Dad, I

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get it. And meanwhile, Finton's like, you're both insane, You're

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you're psychos, you know. So, I like, even even when

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he's explaining right and wrong, you have to buy into

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what he's saying, like he he believes and you know,

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and and at this point we don't know should we

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believe or not? But more on that, Matthew.

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Mcconne's talk about the end.

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Well, we could talk, we could talk about a little

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bit of it, but I just don't like the the

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end is. It's not like the usual suspects kind of

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kind of flavor to it, and I don't want to.

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I don't want to.

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Definitely, listeners, hang in there till the last second because

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you have.

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So let's talk about Matthew McConaughey. Is Fenton Meeks or

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is it Adam Meeks? You know, he's one of the

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adult children, like grown up in present day. McConaughey and

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Paxton become they become friends while working on Jonathan Mostel's

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film U five seven one. Paxton hires him because he

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was an up and coming star and he knew he

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could deliver an authentic Texas character. I mean, now, yeah,

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this was you know Matthew McConaughey, and you know that

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he we're at a point where he has basically become

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a character of himself. What did you think about Matthew

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McConaughey in this though, because he has not the Matthew

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McConaughey you've ever seen.

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No, No, this is definitely very early days, you know,

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like time to kill era McConaughey, and that talent is

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just amazing. I was wondering, you know, like, which brother

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is he and are there really two brothers?

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Very good point, and.

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That's just how mysterious he is and how you know

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he's kind of telling you this story, but he's only

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really telling you what he want you to know.

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Yep. Well, it's this is where I feel like we're

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getting more of that Hitchcock vibe, because what even powers

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Booth says it, He's like, I think you're not telling

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me everything. Yes, but just keep talking and I'll figure

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out what it is. On Frailty, McConaughey said, it's a

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gothic horror picture and everyone loves to be scared, so

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it's got that flavor as well.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. I didn't think about the word gothic, but.

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Yeah, definitely. I think powers Booth is playing FBI agent

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Wesley Doyle. I have always loved powers Booth. Oh my god,

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can the man could do no wrong? A similar story

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to McConaughey's. So Bill met Powers on the set of Tombstone.

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Yeah they hit it off. Yeah, they hit They hit

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it off instantly. How do you not hit it off

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with Powers Booth.

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Do you not hit it off with Bill Paxton? Well, yeah,

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but same Yeah.

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Paxton named him as one of his favorite actors of

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all time, so he immediately thought of him for the

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role of Wesley Doyle. And he he talks about this,

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there's a making there's a great making of documentary on

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the DVD, and he talks about the idea of like,

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I've got this young and up, up and coming star

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in Matthew McConaughey, who is authentic Texas, and I'm pitting

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him against Powers Booth, who is the old school cool

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you know, he's been around the block, authentic Texas, and

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I'm gonna put him on a on a collision course. Yes,

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you know, a little cat and mouse game. And it's

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so good.

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It's so good, especially because Powers Booth always has that

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air about him to me like he knows more than

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you do. He always knows more than you do. And

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so to see him in that position talking to McConaughey,

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and it's like, but do you though.

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Booth always has scary confidence and upsare what the role is,

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he always has it.

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I somebody struck me as the FBI agent that could

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just like squint you into a confession, Like he doesn't

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have to say anything. He just looks at you and

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you're like, yeah, I did it. I'm sorry.

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I'll tell you. Something that Paxton does really well in

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this film is keeping his shots tight on the actors.

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Because the close ups between McConaughey and powers Booth, I

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think they really helped build a tension in that office

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at the beginning. You know, we've got this stormy night.

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Yeah, and I don't always like the camera being like

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up in some of his face, but yeah, this was

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used to good effects in the.

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Car too, he did. He did it a lot because

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Paxton said these two especially could hold a close up.

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I mean, yeah, rel not denying that. Two other stars

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we got to talk about. So let's start with Matt O'Leary,

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who's playing young Fenton Meeks.

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This kid, my gosh right.

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So steady work over the years in films like Lift

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for You or Die Hard.

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Uh.

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He did the Skyscraper movie with the Rock. He was

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in the Spy Kids franchise. I remember him from a

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fantastic Ryan Johnson film noir called Brick starring Joseph Gordon Levitt.

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Have you ever seen that one?

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I've heard of it. I haven't seen it.

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Oh, we covered it a few seasons ago.

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Uh.

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He plays the best friend of Joseph Gordon Levitt, who

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helps solve the murder Amber. It's it's so good.

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I I I employed I love Joseph Gordon Lovitt anyway,

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So yeah.

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Yeah, well I know, I know there's another actor you love.

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Uh you know who plays the film's villain and leader

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of the bad guys, Young sweet, innocent Lucas Haas who

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is not sweet or innocent that that young in this movie, Brick.

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He's so good. Oh, he's so good you Oh my goodness.

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Now you're gonna watch it. Then you're gonna go back.

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You gotta listen to that episode. Yes, I think we

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did it around the time I'm the Knives Out sequel

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came out. I think we've got timed it to drop

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when glass Onion was hidden, So it's been like probably

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two years, I think. Yeah. Bill Paxson considered Matt's performance

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to be the lynchpin of the film, because without a

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great performance, film wouldn't work. So let's talk Matt O'Leary.

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What did this kid do for you?

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I think the biggest thing is that he gave like

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the true feeling of like, I love my dad. I've

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always trusted my dad, and now I'm terrified. But I

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don't want to get him in trouble. But I don't

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want to be anywhere near anything he's doing. I mean,

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all these complicated emotions and he just sold it so incredibly.

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Well, well, think about this. He's on that at his

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age because you assume he's probably twelve, maybe going on thirteen,

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So he's at that age where he's looking at his

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dad and questioning, questioning his beliefs mm hmm. You because

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when you're a little kid, like your parents like whatever

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they say like goes, and you just assume that they're

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they are the end all be all, you.

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Know, Yes, but he's already starting to push those boundaries,

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like yeah, he wants to go see the warriors, and

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the little brother says, oh no, that's rated R. We're

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not allowed, and he's like, oh, we're gonna sneak in,

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and yeah we are like children, we can do what

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we want.

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Yeah, him and his buddy they want to go tpe

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someone's house. Let's go wrap this guy's house. Little guys like,

470
00:26:38.799 --> 00:26:41.319
what what's wrap? He's like I'll explain it later. You know,

471
00:26:42.039 --> 00:26:44.559
I love that he is. He's doing such an amazing

472
00:26:45.359 --> 00:26:49.880
job of playing the protective older brother who's always looking

473
00:26:49.880 --> 00:26:51.640
out and they're and they're like best friends. Like watch

474
00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:55.039
watching them play in some of the moments before the

475
00:26:55.039 --> 00:26:58.039
movie gets really dark. I'm looking at that, and I'm

476
00:26:58.039 --> 00:26:59.920
sure you have the same feeling like you look. You're

477
00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:01.720
you think back to when you were a kid and

478
00:27:02.079 --> 00:27:04.200
you and your brother would be playing and have fun

479
00:27:04.279 --> 00:27:07.400
like that was your best friend before you went to

480
00:27:07.440 --> 00:27:09.720
school and found a new best like your other best friend.

481
00:27:09.759 --> 00:27:13.200
You know what I'm saying. Yep, Matt O'Leary knocks it

482
00:27:13.200 --> 00:27:15.519
out of the park in this film. He's an amazing,

483
00:27:16.880 --> 00:27:21.119
amazing young actor. He's not alone though, playing the younger

484
00:27:21.160 --> 00:27:25.319
brother young Adam Meeks Jeremy Sumter.

485
00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:28.440
It took me the whole movie to figure out who

486
00:27:28.440 --> 00:27:28.799
he was.

487
00:27:30.160 --> 00:27:33.079
Uh, he's got busy over the over the years, but

488
00:27:33.240 --> 00:27:37.000
nothing I've seen Peter as I say, his notable role

489
00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:39.920
was this Peter Pan in the two thousand and three film.

490
00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:45.519
You Were Liam Lewis's parent. You watched it every day.

491
00:27:46.079 --> 00:27:47.799
I saw that. I was like, well, I definitely know

492
00:27:47.839 --> 00:27:51.839
amber seen it and probably loved it. Yes, So I mean,

493
00:27:52.039 --> 00:27:53.920
is Jason Isaac's Is he a good Captain Hook?

494
00:27:54.559 --> 00:28:00.880
He is a spectacular Captain Hook. And this movie just

495
00:28:01.079 --> 00:28:06.920
captures so much of the magic of that story. And

496
00:28:07.079 --> 00:28:10.359
I will never forget taking Liam to see it and

497
00:28:11.039 --> 00:28:14.200
thinking he was going to be so excited. And we're

498
00:28:14.240 --> 00:28:16.720
watching it and they're flying to Neverland and it's great,

499
00:28:16.799 --> 00:28:19.799
and he's kind of fidgeting next to me. I'm like thinking,

500
00:28:19.839 --> 00:28:22.119
maybe he's gotta go to the bathroom or something. I'm like, oh, okay, buddy,

501
00:28:22.119 --> 00:28:24.599
and he's like, you told me they were going to

502
00:28:24.599 --> 00:28:29.720
be pirates and there are no pirates. And I'm like, dude,

503
00:28:29.839 --> 00:28:34.839
just give it five minutes. They're coming. And oh, Jason

504
00:28:34.839 --> 00:28:38.559
Isaacs does not disappoint.

505
00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:40.680
Sumpter might be the only comic relief we get in

506
00:28:40.759 --> 00:28:41.720
this movie. Is that fair?

507
00:28:43.680 --> 00:28:44.440
I didn't get that.

508
00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:47.440
Well. I'm just saying, like, it's not. You're not laughing

509
00:28:47.480 --> 00:28:49.160
every other minute in this movie. I'm just saying like

510
00:28:49.279 --> 00:28:49.559
he was.

511
00:28:49.599 --> 00:28:54.119
He was cute in the beginning, like balls again and yeah,

512
00:28:54.200 --> 00:28:55.519
you know that was cute.

513
00:28:55.359 --> 00:28:58.400
Like that reminded me of my little brother, but trying to.

514
00:28:59.039 --> 00:29:04.720
His brother the hole and you know, Rock traumatized.

515
00:29:05.519 --> 00:29:08.799
You know, his immediate brainwashing.

516
00:29:09.440 --> 00:29:12.599
Well, yeah, but it was. He's got some fun moments, like,

517
00:29:12.599 --> 00:29:14.000
you know, he's trying to help his brother dig the hole,

518
00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:16.759
and his brother the rock Sam telling Dad, you buttthole.

519
00:29:16.839 --> 00:29:20.200
You know, that's that's just that's taking you back. That's

520
00:29:20.279 --> 00:29:22.960
that's how you talk to your brother. You know.

521
00:29:23.119 --> 00:29:27.599
Yes, but I was, I was deep in trauma, hair, Jeff,

522
00:29:27.640 --> 00:29:30.079
I was not enjoying anything about any of us.

523
00:29:30.319 --> 00:29:32.400
All right, all right, well I'll tell you what. Let's

524
00:29:32.480 --> 00:29:34.160
let's do a little bit of background in this movie,

525
00:29:34.920 --> 00:29:36.759
and because it sounds like we gotta get to some

526
00:29:36.799 --> 00:29:42.319
of the networthy scenes here. Writer Brent Hanley said he

527
00:29:42.400 --> 00:29:45.480
was inspired to write this by growing up in the

528
00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:48.680
Bible Belt and going to church. But he said, well,

529
00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:50.920
listening to the preacher's sermon, he and his friends would

530
00:29:50.960 --> 00:29:54.279
be flipping to the back of the Bible to Revelations

531
00:29:55.000 --> 00:29:58.279
to quote read about all the dark things God was

532
00:29:58.319 --> 00:30:01.039
going to do to us, he said. He said that

533
00:30:01.480 --> 00:30:04.759
in reading a ton of Stephen King as a kid

534
00:30:04.799 --> 00:30:09.960
helped him write Frailty. So you're Stephen King, uh, you

535
00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:13.839
know thoughts from earlier they have it that you know

536
00:30:13.880 --> 00:30:16.599
this kid was he grew up on King.

537
00:30:16.519 --> 00:30:18.400
He paid at he learned from the master.

538
00:30:18.759 --> 00:30:20.400
Yeah, he did. He certainly did that.

539
00:30:20.680 --> 00:30:25.079
All of those elements are what make the story good.

540
00:30:25.160 --> 00:30:28.799
I just think probably as a Stephen King short story,

541
00:30:28.920 --> 00:30:31.200
it would have been a little more palatable. Sometimes what

542
00:30:31.319 --> 00:30:35.599
you can handle when you're reading it is too difficult

543
00:30:35.640 --> 00:30:36.079
to watch.

544
00:30:36.720 --> 00:30:40.680
So in the script you mentioned Meatballs, the boys are

545
00:30:40.720 --> 00:30:43.240
debating at the beginning of this whether to see Meatballs

546
00:30:44.279 --> 00:30:47.079
or Alien. Now I'm talking about in the script that

547
00:30:47.279 --> 00:30:48.000
was the tradition.

548
00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:49.160
It was The Warriors.

549
00:30:49.400 --> 00:30:52.880
Yeah, it's yeah, well it's the Warriors because Paxton didn't

550
00:30:52.920 --> 00:30:56.359
want to use Alien since he was so closely connected

551
00:30:56.400 --> 00:30:57.519
to the franchise, so.

552
00:30:57.400 --> 00:30:59.720
He want to have the wink.

553
00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:02.759
Yeah. So he he goes in. He looks like he's like,

554
00:31:02.799 --> 00:31:06.279
what's the big movie from nineteen seventy nine around Meatballs?

555
00:31:06.519 --> 00:31:08.640
You know, because Meatballs is seventy seventy eight I believe,

556
00:31:09.480 --> 00:31:11.480
And it was The Warriors, and he's like, you know what,

557
00:31:12.359 --> 00:31:15.240
Walter Hill gonna do a nice little homage to him

558
00:31:15.519 --> 00:31:17.079
because he had worked with Walter Hill in the past.

559
00:31:17.400 --> 00:31:19.640
So it becomes The Warriors.

560
00:31:20.079 --> 00:31:23.920
I let the movie run and let the credits run

561
00:31:23.960 --> 00:31:27.799
because I was enjoying the music so much. And at

562
00:31:27.799 --> 00:31:29.799
the very end of the credits, he has like a

563
00:31:29.839 --> 00:31:33.000
list of thank yous, and they're all these great directors

564
00:31:33.039 --> 00:31:36.079
that he worked with that like you can tell he

565
00:31:36.680 --> 00:31:40.079
had great relationships with him. He you know, could call

566
00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:42.559
him if he had a question. You know, I thought

567
00:31:42.559 --> 00:31:43.400
that was really cool.

568
00:31:43.799 --> 00:31:46.240
Some of them helped shape this movie, and that's why

569
00:31:46.279 --> 00:31:48.960
they get they get a little shout out. It's being

570
00:31:49.000 --> 00:31:50.920
a shout out. Shout out to our limited series a

571
00:31:50.960 --> 00:31:55.000
film at forty five where David and Scott covered Meatballs,

572
00:31:55.400 --> 00:31:59.079
Alien and the Warriors. You know, we always we always

573
00:31:59.119 --> 00:32:01.720
let listeners know about the older episodes, but finding them

574
00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:06.160
sounds time consuming, right because we're we're like three sixty

575
00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:10.279
in at this point, three hundred sixty episodes in Amber.

576
00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:12.319
Did you know that if you go to our website

577
00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:15.559
and click on the episodes tab, the drop down box

578
00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:18.960
will offer you a detailed listing for quick searches.

579
00:32:19.400 --> 00:32:23.000
I did not. I usually just try to search on Spotify,

580
00:32:23.039 --> 00:32:24.240
which sometimes.

581
00:32:24.559 --> 00:32:28.559
You just sit there and just spin for yeah, yeah,

582
00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:30.599
go to go to the website, go to a film by,

583
00:32:31.400 --> 00:32:33.440
go to a film by podcast dot com, and just

584
00:32:33.519 --> 00:32:35.039
hit that episode's tab and then they'll show you. It

585
00:32:35.079 --> 00:32:37.799
shows you all the limited series. You click on that,

586
00:32:37.880 --> 00:32:40.200
and it just you know, it start in real quick.

587
00:32:40.240 --> 00:32:41.680
That way, at least you know, like, oh, hey, this

588
00:32:41.759 --> 00:32:45.559
dropped in October of twenty twenty three. So now I'll

589
00:32:45.559 --> 00:32:49.440
go to Spotify and I'll or actually, actually, Amber, since

590
00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:51.920
you're on the website and you pull it up like that,

591
00:32:52.839 --> 00:32:55.119
it links to whatever platform you're streaming to.

592
00:32:55.319 --> 00:32:57.720
So, oh my gosh, so good thing to know.

593
00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:01.039
Good thing to know about our website. Check that out. Now,

594
00:33:01.640 --> 00:33:06.480
let's talk about some noteworthy scenes and what we feel

595
00:33:06.640 --> 00:33:10.240
is a pivotal moment. I want to start with, Uh,

596
00:33:10.880 --> 00:33:15.119
finding otis so Bill Paxton. He's driving along. He spots

597
00:33:15.119 --> 00:33:18.960
that sunbeam shooting down into the abandoned barn walks in

598
00:33:19.079 --> 00:33:22.480
seas it embedded in a stump bathed in light. The

599
00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:26.799
name otis carved into that wooden handle. We know from

600
00:33:26.880 --> 00:33:29.079
the plan that the that the angel gave him that

601
00:33:29.079 --> 00:33:32.559
that God will give him three weapons to destroy demons. This,

602
00:33:33.359 --> 00:33:36.160
whether you like the weapons or not, Amber, you have

603
00:33:36.200 --> 00:33:39.720
to admit this is a great reveal for the weapon

604
00:33:39.720 --> 00:33:43.640
of choice. Yeah, I mean this is this is Freddy

605
00:33:43.680 --> 00:33:46.839
Krueger's glove for this movie. This is this is uh

606
00:33:46.920 --> 00:33:50.880
you know, Jason's machete. It's right there. It looks glorious.

607
00:33:51.200 --> 00:33:54.240
I don't know. I was still too much in the

608
00:33:54.279 --> 00:33:56.519
realism of it. I'm like, you're just driving onto a

609
00:33:56.559 --> 00:33:59.920
random farm and stealing their hatchet, Like what isn't even happen?

610
00:34:00.680 --> 00:34:04.319
See it? I'm you're so going to not disagree. You're

611
00:34:04.359 --> 00:34:06.000
so not going to agree with me here. But I

612
00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:08.639
love this because it made me think of like the

613
00:34:08.719 --> 00:34:11.440
empty Amphitheater and Clash of the Titans, where the gods

614
00:34:11.480 --> 00:34:16.119
have left Perseus. Oh yeah, oh yeah. Well it's the

615
00:34:16.119 --> 00:34:20.519
thing about God. The angel tells him God will deliver weapons,

616
00:34:21.039 --> 00:34:25.360
divine weapons for him to carry out his mission, and uh,

617
00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:27.960
you know, may it may not be a cloak and

618
00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:31.719
a shield, but it's a nice axe and a lead

619
00:34:31.719 --> 00:34:35.360
pipe and some good old uh good old broken in

620
00:34:35.599 --> 00:34:36.239
work gloves.

621
00:34:36.400 --> 00:34:38.000
I don't know. He showed up with that lead pipe

622
00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:40.960
and I was like, so we're doing the clue, you know,

623
00:34:42.039 --> 00:34:43.480
by way of the Bible, Like.

624
00:34:43.480 --> 00:34:45.679
What, well, it's all about the acts.

625
00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:47.519
I think it is.

626
00:34:48.199 --> 00:34:51.360
He wanted want he wants to He wanted to name

627
00:34:51.400 --> 00:34:56.199
the acts to establish that it's ultimately a family heirloom,

628
00:34:56.239 --> 00:35:00.480
handed down from from following his son. And he wanted

629
00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:02.960
the weapon to have a little bit of personality, And

630
00:35:03.079 --> 00:35:05.599
you have to admit, like it does give it Like

631
00:35:05.639 --> 00:35:08.159
the fact that it's it's got the name Otis carved,

632
00:35:08.159 --> 00:35:09.360
it gives it personality.

633
00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:13.719
I I don't know. I would have thought it would

634
00:35:13.719 --> 00:35:16.079
have been neater if like he was carving the names

635
00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:21.159
of the demons into it. Oh, I like that, scratch it,

636
00:35:21.320 --> 00:35:24.320
the names of the humans that he was killing, in

637
00:35:24.320 --> 00:35:26.079
my opinion, demons.

638
00:35:26.199 --> 00:35:30.599
They were demons amber to him. Okay, we're yeah, we're

639
00:35:31.079 --> 00:35:34.360
we'll get there. We'll get there. But do you know

640
00:35:34.400 --> 00:35:36.039
where the name Otis came from?

641
00:35:36.599 --> 00:35:37.000
I don't know.

642
00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:41.679
I always you know me, I always think of Superman's otis.

643
00:35:41.280 --> 00:35:48.480
Burg otis Berg. Are we going to abba Amba? Lewis? No,

644
00:35:49.840 --> 00:35:52.360
So this is kind of cool story. He knows he

645
00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:56.119
wants to give the the acts a name, and during

646
00:35:56.159 --> 00:36:00.360
pre production, he encounters a homeless man on the street,

647
00:36:01.239 --> 00:36:04.239
you know, tries to give him give him some money.

648
00:36:05.079 --> 00:36:08.719
When the man refused to take any charity, Paxton offered

649
00:36:08.760 --> 00:36:12.480
to quote unquote buy the use of his name for

650
00:36:12.519 --> 00:36:15.000
the acts and the homeless man's name.

651
00:36:14.880 --> 00:36:18.599
Was Otis, So, oh my gosh.

652
00:36:17.880 --> 00:36:22.199
That's he. He found a clever way to Marshmellow. He was, Yeah,

653
00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:24.599
give this guy some money and help him out. I

654
00:36:24.599 --> 00:36:27.519
think that's kind of cool, but that is very well.

655
00:36:27.679 --> 00:36:31.039
I kind of love the moment of finding Otis. Uh,

656
00:36:31.119 --> 00:36:33.159
let's talk about one. I know you had a I

657
00:36:33.199 --> 00:36:36.400
know you had a tough time with digging the.

658
00:36:36.360 --> 00:36:40.920
Hole, everything about the hole, digging the hole, putting him

659
00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:43.239
in the hole.

660
00:36:44.119 --> 00:36:46.480
I I want you to just think about this for

661
00:36:46.519 --> 00:36:50.559
a second. He's digging, he tells him, He's like, I

662
00:36:50.599 --> 00:36:54.199
want it ten feet deep, fifteen feet wide, fifteen in

663
00:36:54.239 --> 00:36:57.360
both both directions. That's two hundred twenty five square feet

664
00:36:57.480 --> 00:37:00.239
of ten foot hole. I mean he's putting in and

665
00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:02.360
ground pool almost, you know.

666
00:37:02.920 --> 00:37:04.400
Yeah, and this.

667
00:37:04.400 --> 00:37:10.280
Kid is just we talked about how Finton is defiant

668
00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:13.480
to what his father's beliefs are. And I love this

669
00:37:13.519 --> 00:37:17.800
moment for Finton because we see him kind of rise

670
00:37:17.880 --> 00:37:19.320
up and he's not going to go along with it,

671
00:37:19.360 --> 00:37:22.159
and he's he's gonna make a stand, you know. I

672
00:37:22.559 --> 00:37:25.679
like that Finton. Yeah, he's a scared twelve year old boy,

673
00:37:26.480 --> 00:37:29.159
but he's taking action through this entire film. He's he's

674
00:37:29.840 --> 00:37:32.400
he's trying to talk his dad off the ledge and say,

675
00:37:32.440 --> 00:37:34.280
hey dad, you know, maybe you're not right in the head,

676
00:37:34.280 --> 00:37:37.119
maybe this isn't the way. He's refusing to go along

677
00:37:37.159 --> 00:37:40.239
with it. He's but even when he's like his punishment,

678
00:37:40.239 --> 00:37:43.559
he's he's taking the punishment like a man, and he's

679
00:37:43.599 --> 00:37:45.519
not giving up on the punishment until it's done.

680
00:37:46.320 --> 00:37:50.000
So no, I mean, I love them for fueled by fury.

681
00:37:50.079 --> 00:37:52.760
I think yeah, well, I mean, he think about it.

682
00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:56.679
He's he even says, he's like, my anger was my strength,

683
00:37:56.719 --> 00:37:58.239
and yeah, you know.

684
00:37:58.679 --> 00:38:01.280
You know, I mean, any kid that's been set a

685
00:38:01.320 --> 00:38:05.079
task as a punishment, there's there's a certain amount of

686
00:38:05.079 --> 00:38:07.719
seething involved in the accomplishing of that task.

687
00:38:08.440 --> 00:38:10.400
But you know, the punishment's two fold. He's like, I

688
00:38:10.400 --> 00:38:11.920
want you to dig the hole, and I want you

689
00:38:11.960 --> 00:38:13.800
to pray while you're doing it. He's like, I'll dig,

690
00:38:13.840 --> 00:38:16.239
but I'm not praying at all. You know. I love

691
00:38:16.400 --> 00:38:18.639
I love the character's defiance. I love the kids defiance.

692
00:38:18.920 --> 00:38:22.960
I loved it when he checked on him and he

693
00:38:23.039 --> 00:38:24.159
said there is no God.

694
00:38:25.159 --> 00:38:27.840
Yeah, well, I was like, oh man.

695
00:38:27.679 --> 00:38:29.760
This kid's gonna die in this hole. But I'm proud

696
00:38:29.800 --> 00:38:30.400
of him.

697
00:38:30.679 --> 00:38:33.519
Yeah. Well, he's like you know when when Adam is

698
00:38:33.519 --> 00:38:35.079
bringing him water and he's like, oh yeah, Dad says

699
00:38:35.079 --> 00:38:36.239
you gotta be in here for like seven days. He's

700
00:38:36.239 --> 00:38:40.599
like seven days. And then Paston opens up. He's like,

701
00:38:40.639 --> 00:38:42.800
did you did you see God? Did you talk to God?

702
00:38:42.920 --> 00:38:45.719
And he's like there is no God. He just shuts

703
00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:47.559
it back and nails it back shut again. I was like,

704
00:38:48.400 --> 00:38:50.880
and that's okay. So I'm gonna tell you because I

705
00:38:50.920 --> 00:38:52.639
know how you're feeling about Paxton at this point in

706
00:38:52.639 --> 00:38:56.599
the film. That's the moment where I'm like, Bill Paxton,

707
00:38:57.719 --> 00:39:01.400
even if he's right about this mission, he's just went

708
00:39:01.440 --> 00:39:02.880
down the path that I can't follow him.

709
00:39:03.480 --> 00:39:09.280
Yeah, I mean, that's all that is. Yeah, it's all

710
00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:13.639
that is. And I was I was putting a lot

711
00:39:13.639 --> 00:39:16.440
of faith in you because that was about the point

712
00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:18.400
where I was like saying a lot of potty words

713
00:39:18.400 --> 00:39:18.920
in the text.

714
00:39:20.679 --> 00:39:23.440
You're like, now he's digging the hole. Dot Dot. Was like,

715
00:39:23.960 --> 00:39:26.639
You're like, just to stay with it, hang in there,

716
00:39:27.039 --> 00:39:27.920
hang in there. I knew.

717
00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:30.880
I'm saying it was worth it, but I am saying I.

718
00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:33.360
Knew you'd have a tough time with that. With that moment,

719
00:39:34.719 --> 00:39:37.320
I'm going to combine a couple here. Let's talk about

720
00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:43.280
destroying demons. Uh, specifically the nurse and the pedophile. Now,

721
00:39:43.400 --> 00:39:44.360
I'm going to tell you something.

722
00:39:44.519 --> 00:39:49.000
If we believe that that if yeah accurate.

723
00:39:49.079 --> 00:39:53.960
Did you know the first first test screening twenty something

724
00:39:53.960 --> 00:39:57.239
people walked out when he when he brought the nurse home.

725
00:39:57.960 --> 00:40:03.559
Yep. Now the thing is like, like I said, I

726
00:40:03.719 --> 00:40:05.840
like true crime and Liam always makes fun of me

727
00:40:05.880 --> 00:40:08.239
because he's like, you'll be laying there asleep and on

728
00:40:08.280 --> 00:40:10.320
the TV. Is like, and they ripped her arms off,

729
00:40:10.360 --> 00:40:13.360
and her eyeballs were found in the ashtray, and you know,

730
00:40:13.519 --> 00:40:17.639
and it doesn't phaze me. But the fact that those

731
00:40:17.679 --> 00:40:20.719
two little boys, like I'm gonna start crying, the fact

732
00:40:20.760 --> 00:40:23.159
that those two little boys were in that barn, Like,

733
00:40:23.320 --> 00:40:26.480
I was completely a wreck. I was like, to heck

734
00:40:26.519 --> 00:40:30.679
with this movie, I'm turning it off. And I was like, well,

735
00:40:31.559 --> 00:40:35.440
go get a loss of water and finish watching it.

736
00:40:36.199 --> 00:40:38.079
So think about this.

737
00:40:38.920 --> 00:40:43.039
Yeah, completely support those testas.

738
00:40:42.480 --> 00:40:45.760
First first time I'm watching it. My mom before she retired,

739
00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:48.920
was a nurse. So I can't, I'm I can't. I'm

740
00:40:48.960 --> 00:40:52.079
like whoa, whoa, dude, No, and then he put you know,

741
00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:54.719
the whole idea is like he he takes the gloves off,

742
00:40:55.400 --> 00:40:58.480
and once he lays his hand on the person, you

743
00:40:58.519 --> 00:41:01.559
will see the demon and you'll know what the evil

744
00:41:01.840 --> 00:41:05.159
is that they did. And Bill Paxton touches this woman's

745
00:41:05.239 --> 00:41:08.320
arm and he's afraid, Like, I love that Bill Paxton

746
00:41:08.440 --> 00:41:12.920
is terrified of what he perceives to be seeing like

747
00:41:13.000 --> 00:41:13.880
what she's done.

748
00:41:14.079 --> 00:41:18.039
He plays levels of fear so well, yeah.

749
00:41:17.440 --> 00:41:20.880
And the kids are like, you know, uh, you know,

750
00:41:20.920 --> 00:41:22.800
and we're at the audience. We're just we're looking at

751
00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:25.280
a terrified woman. Who is who's tying?

752
00:41:25.360 --> 00:41:27.400
Yeah, that thing. We don't see what he sees, we

753
00:41:27.440 --> 00:41:30.440
don't or what he thinks he sees or what he

754
00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:33.119
pretends to see or whatever.

755
00:41:33.280 --> 00:41:36.360
Now I'm gonna tell you something. In the first cut

756
00:41:36.360 --> 00:41:40.639
of the film, we did well, not we, but the

757
00:41:40.679 --> 00:41:43.800
first cut of the film actually showed like what made

758
00:41:43.840 --> 00:41:45.679
them demons, like so he would touch. In the first

759
00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:48.079
cut of the film, he was touching them, and then

760
00:41:48.119 --> 00:41:50.400
you were getting all the flashes of the evil things

761
00:41:50.440 --> 00:41:53.480
that they had done. So we're quickly on board with

762
00:41:53.480 --> 00:41:56.000
with Dad's mission from God. Like in the original cut

763
00:41:56.039 --> 00:41:59.480
of the film, first cut, the assembly cut as it were.

764
00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:03.199
We're like, oh, obviously Bill Paxton is correct. He is

765
00:42:03.239 --> 00:42:06.159
on a mission from God. These people are awful, these

766
00:42:06.199 --> 00:42:10.559
are these are demons, and this kid will understand his

767
00:42:10.639 --> 00:42:15.920
buddy James Cameron watches the first cut, says, you got

768
00:42:16.039 --> 00:42:18.159
to you gotta say the reveals for the end because

769
00:42:19.039 --> 00:42:22.000
the audience is gonna be so divisive, they're not gonna

770
00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:24.079
know who to believe for the whole movie. And you

771
00:42:24.159 --> 00:42:28.679
want that, so good call James, Good call James Cameron. Right,

772
00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:33.039
is think about this amber if you had watched this

773
00:42:33.119 --> 00:42:38.400
movie the original way. And he touches that woman's arm,

774
00:42:38.559 --> 00:42:40.039
and all of a sudden you see that she has

775
00:42:40.079 --> 00:42:42.880
slit this poor guy's throat and she's like this terrible person.

776
00:42:43.679 --> 00:42:46.400
Now you're like, you know, the hell with her?

777
00:42:47.039 --> 00:42:49.960
The thing that I have a problem with but is

778
00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:54.079
also the thing that makes me I will recommend the

779
00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:56.559
movie even though.

780
00:42:57.519 --> 00:42:58.199
We're not there yet.

781
00:42:58.519 --> 00:43:00.800
Watch it again, but maybe one and never again.

782
00:43:02.039 --> 00:43:05.360
But is that you can debate it, like I like

783
00:43:05.440 --> 00:43:09.800
movies that you can argue about. But it reminded me of.

784
00:43:09.679 --> 00:43:13.840
Unbreakable, another favorite of mine, which.

785
00:43:13.719 --> 00:43:17.920
Unbreakable is a much better movie because you at least

786
00:43:18.199 --> 00:43:24.239
have the buy in that these superpowers exist and they

787
00:43:24.280 --> 00:43:27.639
work before you get the reveal.

788
00:43:28.280 --> 00:43:31.000
I dig the fact that you're relating these two. You're

789
00:43:31.039 --> 00:43:34.519
comparing these two because Unbreakable is probably my all time

790
00:43:34.519 --> 00:43:38.360
favorite superhero origin movie, and now I'm looking at this one.

791
00:43:39.400 --> 00:43:42.400
It's kind of a like a superhero origin movie, just

792
00:43:42.440 --> 00:43:45.840
a very dark and demented one. Like I like where

793
00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:50.320
you're going with that. The pedophile was played by a

794
00:43:50.360 --> 00:43:55.039
guy named Vincent Chase. What Yeah, which is weird because

795
00:43:55.199 --> 00:43:58.440
you know that was that's the guy's real name. But

796
00:43:59.119 --> 00:44:03.480
more crazier fact, that's Bill Paxton's acting coach.

797
00:44:04.239 --> 00:44:05.000
Oh my gosh.

798
00:44:05.119 --> 00:44:07.760
She's been with Bill for twenty years. And when he

799
00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:09.599
was trying to find someone who could play a slimy

800
00:44:10.519 --> 00:44:14.480
pedophile you know that's gonna go after little girls, he

801
00:44:14.559 --> 00:44:17.199
was like, well, I wonder if Vince would do it,

802
00:44:17.199 --> 00:44:19.519
and he's like, yeah, sure, yeah, I'm in I'll do it.

803
00:44:20.239 --> 00:44:23.360
I know if that's a compliand that's not a compliment,

804
00:44:23.400 --> 00:44:24.480
but you know he's not.

805
00:44:25.039 --> 00:44:26.840
He says, you can play anyone.

806
00:44:27.039 --> 00:44:29.079
So yeah, how many how many people are lining up

807
00:44:29.079 --> 00:44:32.920
to be like, oh do you have like creepy pedophile guy. Yeah,

808
00:44:33.000 --> 00:44:38.519
I'll do that role now, all right. Moving on, Fenton

809
00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:42.960
runs to the sheriff, so he's he's had enough, you know,

810
00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:45.440
I think I think it's demon number three where he's

811
00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:47.719
supposed to help and he just he run. That's when

812
00:44:47.760 --> 00:44:50.199
he's like, I'm out run. He runs to the sheriff's office,

813
00:44:52.079 --> 00:44:54.480
who doesn't believe him, by the way, because you know,

814
00:44:54.519 --> 00:44:55.960
why would you believe a twel year old boy in

815
00:44:56.000 --> 00:45:00.159
nineteen seventy nine, takes him back home and and then

816
00:45:00.199 --> 00:45:03.800
he gets murdered in a very hitchcocking way. I think

817
00:45:04.119 --> 00:45:08.400
like that, that whole thing with him getting killed, that

818
00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:09.880
that that was psycho to me.

819
00:45:10.440 --> 00:45:15.199
Yes, right, well it was so quick. Yeah, it just

820
00:45:15.440 --> 00:45:17.719
escalated so so fast.

821
00:45:18.400 --> 00:45:21.199
Paxton's doing some of his best work in the movie

822
00:45:21.760 --> 00:45:24.679
because he is he is terrified that this this sheriff

823
00:45:24.760 --> 00:45:26.960
is going to catch him. He's really if you watch

824
00:45:27.000 --> 00:45:29.800
him at the dinner table, he's so nervous. And then

825
00:45:29.960 --> 00:45:33.320
you know, Finnon's like, well, I'll show you the shed,

826
00:45:33.440 --> 00:45:35.400
and he's like, well, Sheriff's like I don't think we

827
00:45:35.440 --> 00:45:37.519
have to do that, do we. He's like, I don't know. Finton,

828
00:45:37.800 --> 00:45:39.639
do we have to do that? Because and he's telling

829
00:45:39.679 --> 00:45:43.039
Fitton like, look, you're forcing my hand. This is a

830
00:45:43.039 --> 00:45:46.679
good guy, he's not a demon. Back off.

831
00:45:47.480 --> 00:45:51.280
And I think you see that little kid where Fentnis

832
00:45:51.400 --> 00:45:53.719
is so in over his head because it's like, well,

833
00:45:53.760 --> 00:45:55.400
he's not gonna kill a sheriff.

834
00:45:55.599 --> 00:45:56.360
He wouldn't do that.

835
00:45:56.400 --> 00:45:58.800
He wouldn't have a police officer. You can't do that.

836
00:45:59.280 --> 00:46:02.880
Yeah, and this is this is this is Bill Paxson's

837
00:46:02.920 --> 00:46:07.239
fall from grace the dad's character. You know. I love

838
00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:11.079
that his words to him before swinging otis are may

839
00:46:11.159 --> 00:46:14.920
God welcome you and keep you because he's genuinely remorseful

840
00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:18.559
about the act of killing this guy. Because you know,

841
00:46:18.599 --> 00:46:21.719
when we talk about the first two demons, you know,

842
00:46:21.920 --> 00:46:23.440
like he tells the nurse, he's like, all I see

843
00:46:23.519 --> 00:46:26.719
is evil, and then the pedophile, it's you can't escape

844
00:46:26.719 --> 00:46:30.480
God's wrath. Like there's he's he's you know, it's all

845
00:46:30.519 --> 00:46:33.199
fire and brimstone. But he doesn't want to do this,

846
00:46:33.280 --> 00:46:35.159
but he has to. He has to protect the mission,

847
00:46:36.079 --> 00:46:40.559
and you know, it sets Adam. That was another.

848
00:46:41.719 --> 00:46:46.039
That I struggled with was I didn't feel like the

849
00:46:46.159 --> 00:46:51.360
steaks with the Demons was like that high. So well,

850
00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:53.599
so to compare, I keep comparing this movie to the

851
00:46:53.599 --> 00:46:59.039
other movies, but I thought of the movie They Live. Yeah,

852
00:46:59.079 --> 00:47:01.199
and that great scene when he puts the glasses on

853
00:47:01.280 --> 00:47:03.880
for the first time and you're like, oh my god,

854
00:47:03.880 --> 00:47:11.239
they're everywhere? Yeah, well yeah, like didn't really feel like,

855
00:47:12.280 --> 00:47:15.360
are are they everywhere? Is this just random? How does

856
00:47:15.400 --> 00:47:18.760
he know who these people are? What's gonna happen if

857
00:47:18.760 --> 00:47:20.639
he doesn't get rid of the demons?

858
00:47:20.719 --> 00:47:24.239
Like again on a first time watch, he gets the

859
00:47:24.280 --> 00:47:26.119
weapons and he gets the list of names, and you're

860
00:47:26.199 --> 00:47:29.239
just like, where's he getting the names? Because they're all

861
00:47:29.320 --> 00:47:32.719
just they are all appeared Adam's list.

862
00:47:33.039 --> 00:47:37.079
How do we know that? Like that nurse isn't somebody

863
00:47:37.119 --> 00:47:38.760
that he had an affair with?

864
00:47:38.920 --> 00:47:43.000
And well, again we know we know that she was

865
00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:45.119
a demon. But I think you're onto something.

866
00:47:45.800 --> 00:47:49.320
You're taking that vision thing as like it was real.

867
00:47:50.039 --> 00:47:52.199
Well that's okay, Well hold on, we don't want to

868
00:47:52.199 --> 00:47:55.119
we don't. We'll get there, we'll get there. But you

869
00:47:55.559 --> 00:47:57.440
just made another good point, even though you don't want

870
00:47:57.440 --> 00:47:59.599
to make the point. That's because some of the Adam

871
00:48:00.559 --> 00:48:05.559
Adam had a list, and because Adam is a true

872
00:48:05.559 --> 00:48:09.519
believer and Adam, you know he sees.

873
00:48:10.199 --> 00:48:12.519
The mission, is not a true believer. Adam is a

874
00:48:12.639 --> 00:48:15.519
little boy who looks at his dad and is like, yep,

875
00:48:15.599 --> 00:48:18.079
I see it. I believe it absolutely, Dad.

876
00:48:18.760 --> 00:48:20.199
Well, we can't. I don't want to spoil it, but

877
00:48:20.280 --> 00:48:23.440
you know, you know who Adam is so well.

878
00:48:23.599 --> 00:48:25.400
But we're gonna have to talk off Mike about this

879
00:48:25.519 --> 00:48:28.920
because I will like confused about.

880
00:48:29.519 --> 00:48:32.639
Okay, the ending, all right, well I want to talk.

881
00:48:32.840 --> 00:48:35.000
I want to talk about one more scene. What I

882
00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:37.480
think is the pivotal moment of this movie, and it's

883
00:48:37.519 --> 00:48:41.400
all about destroying the fourth demon, the guy Brad who

884
00:48:41.920 --> 00:48:43.880
amber you had to be happy about this guy getting it.

885
00:48:44.639 --> 00:48:48.159
This was the the abusive husband guy that was, you know,

886
00:48:49.159 --> 00:48:52.320
yelling at his wife and the like the biker.

887
00:48:52.280 --> 00:48:53.840
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that.

888
00:48:53.800 --> 00:48:55.599
Guy sucked Like I couldn't wait for it to see

889
00:48:55.639 --> 00:48:59.239
him get murdered. Not I'm sorry, I couldn't wait to

890
00:48:59.239 --> 00:49:02.599
see him get destroyed because he's a demon. But it's

891
00:49:02.639 --> 00:49:05.400
supposed to be Fitten's first time following this this punishment

892
00:49:05.480 --> 00:49:09.159
under the shed, and when he swings otis it's not

893
00:49:09.440 --> 00:49:12.480
at the abuse of husband's neck. It's as Dad's chest.

894
00:49:13.159 --> 00:49:16.719
Bill Paxton's look that how the tears are welling up

895
00:49:16.760 --> 00:49:20.000
in his eyes, not because he's dying and in pain,

896
00:49:20.800 --> 00:49:25.159
he's heartbroken because he thinks at this point Finton has

897
00:49:25.199 --> 00:49:27.519
seen the light. God has talked, you know. He Finton

898
00:49:27.519 --> 00:49:30.119
tells him, Yeah, God talked to me, I know the mission,

899
00:49:31.000 --> 00:49:34.760
and Adam is traumatized. I love the fact that moment

900
00:49:34.760 --> 00:49:37.760
where he whispers something to Adam. We will never know

901
00:49:37.800 --> 00:49:40.639
what he whispered, because even the writer has said, yeah,

902
00:49:41.360 --> 00:49:44.599
we're not meant to know what he says. That's that's

903
00:49:44.639 --> 00:49:48.039
the scene where I'm like, Okay, now I don't know

904
00:49:48.079 --> 00:49:51.480
who to believe, you know, Because the meanwhile, we've got

905
00:49:51.519 --> 00:49:55.719
this story that's happening in present day with Matthew McConaughey,

906
00:49:55.800 --> 00:49:59.440
who is one of these brothers, and he's basically we've

907
00:49:59.719 --> 00:50:02.559
got to serial killer on the loose calling himself the

908
00:50:02.559 --> 00:50:06.960
God's hand killer. Matthew McConaughey believes it to be his brother,

909
00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:11.719
and he's basically telling FBI agent Powers Booth, you know

910
00:50:11.719 --> 00:50:13.880
who's playing Wesley Doyle. He's telling him the whole thing,

911
00:50:14.559 --> 00:50:17.159
where the bodies are and they're on this creepy drive,

912
00:50:18.159 --> 00:50:20.719
you know, in the dead of night in a rainstorm

913
00:50:21.119 --> 00:50:24.719
to the Rose Garden to get all the answers, and

914
00:50:24.760 --> 00:50:26.599
I'm and you gotta be scared at this point, are you?

915
00:50:26.639 --> 00:50:28.119
Were you a little scared for powers Booth.

916
00:50:28.960 --> 00:50:32.039
The minute they got to the rose Garden, I was like,

917
00:50:32.360 --> 00:50:35.199
wait a second, one of these things is not like

918
00:50:35.239 --> 00:50:39.480
the other. This is uhh. And part of it was

919
00:50:40.159 --> 00:50:46.039
for me. This was visually the best shot in the movie.

920
00:50:46.119 --> 00:50:50.840
I loved the flashlight, yeah, oh yeah, the light coming

921
00:50:50.880 --> 00:50:55.760
through the trees and all of that was was amazing.

922
00:50:55.880 --> 00:51:00.199
Can we talk about there's one shot here that want

923
00:51:00.199 --> 00:51:03.559
to talk about where they are walking. It's exactly the

924
00:51:03.599 --> 00:51:06.400
scene you're talking about, and that you kind of pan

925
00:51:06.599 --> 00:51:11.559
down to a rose bush as they pass by, and

926
00:51:11.599 --> 00:51:14.360
when you pan up, they've taken you back to nineteen

927
00:51:14.360 --> 00:51:18.280
seventy nine where he's bearing Bill Paxton. No, no real

928
00:51:18.320 --> 00:51:21.320
camera trick, it's just they had the kids there, they

929
00:51:21.320 --> 00:51:23.960
had the set ready and as soon as they walked

930
00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:28.079
by the everyone ran in a positions as they panned

931
00:51:28.119 --> 00:51:33.159
back up. I love simple, simple little trick that you're like,

932
00:51:33.159 --> 00:51:35.599
how they do that because there's no cut.

933
00:51:35.719 --> 00:51:38.639
It's like that scene and last night and soho where

934
00:51:38.639 --> 00:51:42.320
they are rotating Yes, yes, and you're like this has

935
00:51:42.360 --> 00:51:44.000
to be CGI and then you see how they did

936
00:51:44.000 --> 00:51:46.000
and you're like, nope, They're just crawling on the floor.

937
00:51:46.599 --> 00:51:49.760
That's all it was. So I got to ask, because

938
00:51:49.800 --> 00:51:53.039
you have not you have not chimed in yet, did

939
00:51:53.079 --> 00:51:55.880
we discuss the pivot moment for you? Or are you

940
00:51:55.920 --> 00:51:57.840
still like on the fence?

941
00:51:58.880 --> 00:52:01.480
I don't know.

942
00:52:02.039 --> 00:52:02.559
You don't have to.

943
00:52:03.280 --> 00:52:05.679
Well, I do, but I don't think I can say

944
00:52:05.719 --> 00:52:06.280
what it is.

945
00:52:06.880 --> 00:52:08.920
We'll say what it is, and if we have to

946
00:52:08.920 --> 00:52:09.719
cut it, we'll cut it.

947
00:52:09.880 --> 00:52:17.320
Okay. For me, the whole movie went from like this

948
00:52:17.400 --> 00:52:19.239
is a piece of garbage and I'm going to kill

949
00:52:19.320 --> 00:52:23.440
Jeff to Hmmm, I'm gonna have to watch this again

950
00:52:24.519 --> 00:52:29.559
and figure this whole mystery out. Was when he killed

951
00:52:29.559 --> 00:52:30.159
powers Booth.

952
00:52:30.880 --> 00:52:32.679
We can talk about that.

953
00:52:32.679 --> 00:52:35.920
That that for me, that sequence where he's talking to

954
00:52:35.960 --> 00:52:40.320
him and he's like and you realize like, wait, is

955
00:52:40.360 --> 00:52:43.880
this not the brother that I thought it was? Are

956
00:52:43.880 --> 00:52:46.039
there two? Are there two of them? Is he only

957
00:52:46.079 --> 00:52:51.599
one person? My mind was just spinning through that whole

958
00:52:51.679 --> 00:52:53.199
last conversation with powers Booth.

959
00:52:53.800 --> 00:52:57.519
I think the reveal of who powers Booth actually is,

960
00:52:57.639 --> 00:53:00.480
and what he did is where the first time you

961
00:53:00.519 --> 00:53:01.920
watch it you were like, holy shit.

962
00:53:02.599 --> 00:53:02.840
Yeah.

963
00:53:02.840 --> 00:53:08.000
But then there's a whole another major twist that follows

964
00:53:08.079 --> 00:53:10.039
right after that, and that's what I That's what I

965
00:53:10.039 --> 00:53:13.000
want to say for the listeners if they haven't seen it.

966
00:53:13.280 --> 00:53:17.199
But that whole sequence with Powers Booth was where like

967
00:53:18.239 --> 00:53:20.360
all of a sudden, all the pennies were dropping and I.

968
00:53:20.360 --> 00:53:22.719
Was like, wait, w yeah, I remember I told you.

969
00:53:22.800 --> 00:53:24.920
I was like, just just you're so close. Just hang

970
00:53:24.960 --> 00:53:28.960
in there because something's gonna happen. Yeah, because that's that's it.

971
00:53:29.199 --> 00:53:31.599
That's that's it. That's a good one. I should have

972
00:53:31.599 --> 00:53:33.679
I should have had that as as the pivotal moment,

973
00:53:33.679 --> 00:53:36.599
but I just had to have one with with Bill Paxston.

974
00:53:36.760 --> 00:53:39.920
So yes, yeah, for sure, let's take.

975
00:53:39.800 --> 00:53:45.480
One last break and then we'll wrap things up, all right, amber.

976
00:53:45.559 --> 00:53:49.199
So you know, sadly we lost Bill Paxxton way too soon.

977
00:53:49.280 --> 00:53:50.239
Oh my gosh.

978
00:53:50.280 --> 00:53:55.199
So sad he only got to direct two films and

979
00:53:55.199 --> 00:53:59.239
we're gonna cover both of them this month. So I know,

980
00:53:59.239 --> 00:54:02.400
we always like to say, you know, if someone loved

981
00:54:02.400 --> 00:54:05.119
this movie, they wanted more from this director, what would

982
00:54:05.119 --> 00:54:08.239
you recommend given the fact that we've been talking about Frailty,

983
00:54:08.800 --> 00:54:10.840
and later this month we're gonna talk about the Greatest

984
00:54:10.840 --> 00:54:13.199
Game Ever Played, which is his second feature that he

985
00:54:13.480 --> 00:54:16.760
that he uh that he directed. I'm gonna make this

986
00:54:16.760 --> 00:54:20.719
a little bit easier for you. Let's say someone has

987
00:54:20.920 --> 00:54:24.119
just discovered Bill Paxton in this movie and they love

988
00:54:24.159 --> 00:54:25.440
him as they should.

989
00:54:25.960 --> 00:54:28.800
Yes, I can't imagine a world in which like, I

990
00:54:28.840 --> 00:54:29.679
don't know who he is.

991
00:54:30.239 --> 00:54:33.360
Well, yeah, I mean this this this was this question.

992
00:54:33.440 --> 00:54:35.800
Sometimes depending on who you're talking about, it's a little ludicrous,

993
00:54:35.800 --> 00:54:39.320
Like talking to Wayne and Dave about if someone had

994
00:54:39.360 --> 00:54:42.199
never heard of Steven Spielberg and they like Duel, what

995
00:54:42.199 --> 00:54:44.239
would you recommend? You know, I mean, come on, but

996
00:54:44.320 --> 00:54:48.719
I'm gonna I'm gonna ask you what three Bill Paxton

997
00:54:49.360 --> 00:54:52.440
projects would you recommend to someone, whether he whether he

998
00:54:52.559 --> 00:54:55.320
starred in it, co starred in it, whether he wrote it,

999
00:54:55.400 --> 00:54:58.199
directed it, produced it. What do you think?

1000
00:54:58.880 --> 00:55:01.000
Well, I'm so glad that, like I kind of get

1001
00:55:01.039 --> 00:55:03.719
an out because I got to say that, like my

1002
00:55:03.800 --> 00:55:07.559
favorite performance was true Lies, But now I get three more.

1003
00:55:08.239 --> 00:55:11.119
Yeah, this is this was perfect for you. This is

1004
00:55:11.320 --> 00:55:14.360
You've got carte blanche, you know, to just be like, oh,

1005
00:55:14.639 --> 00:55:16.559
you don't have to break they rules this time. Remember no,

1006
00:55:16.880 --> 00:55:17.559
even though I.

1007
00:55:17.519 --> 00:55:20.280
Do have to leave too by the wayside. But I'll

1008
00:55:20.280 --> 00:55:23.480
play by the rules this time. Okay, you definitely have

1009
00:55:23.519 --> 00:55:31.199
to see Aliens. I mean, Hudson is fabulous. That movie

1010
00:55:31.679 --> 00:55:37.800
absolutely amazing. You know my love for all things space.

1011
00:55:38.440 --> 00:55:41.800
So I'm gonna give a shout out to Apollo thirteen.

1012
00:55:43.199 --> 00:55:49.360
He is wonderful as Fred Hayes mm hmmm and absolutely

1013
00:55:50.440 --> 00:55:55.199
you know, just brings this levity to know what is

1014
00:55:55.239 --> 00:55:59.920
an incredibly serious, intense movie. Yeah, and his character is

1015
00:56:00.079 --> 00:56:04.039
such a lovable goofball while still being a professional astronaut.

1016
00:56:04.480 --> 00:56:10.400
He's amazing. And then I know it's it is what

1017
00:56:10.480 --> 00:56:15.159
it is. I freaking love the movie Twister. I love Bill,

1018
00:56:15.559 --> 00:56:18.320
I think he is amazing.

1019
00:56:18.679 --> 00:56:21.000
And I love his performance in that movie.

1020
00:56:21.280 --> 00:56:22.840
So I'm going for it.

1021
00:56:23.159 --> 00:56:27.559
So let's let's break this down. First off, Hudson and Aliens,

1022
00:56:28.079 --> 00:56:32.920
one of the best characters in the movie, probably has

1023
00:56:33.000 --> 00:56:35.679
the best catchphrases for the movie.

1024
00:56:35.679 --> 00:56:38.559
Oh yes, and it's like it's so easy to love Hicks.

1025
00:56:38.760 --> 00:56:43.880
Everybody loves Sicks about it, but like loving Hudson is

1026
00:56:43.960 --> 00:56:45.320
like a special kind of thing.

1027
00:56:45.880 --> 00:56:49.159
Yes, I'm with you. I'm with you, and again shout

1028
00:56:49.159 --> 00:56:52.559
out to our limited nineteen eighty six series we covered

1029
00:56:52.599 --> 00:56:54.800
aliens had a fun time talking about that one. I

1030
00:56:54.840 --> 00:56:57.400
wish you were you were on the team back then.

1031
00:56:57.719 --> 00:56:59.280
Seriously you missed out.

1032
00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:02.960
Maybe maybe we you know what, next year is the

1033
00:57:02.960 --> 00:57:07.400
fortieth anniversary for nineteen six movies. Maybe maybe we I

1034
00:57:07.440 --> 00:57:10.840
said I wouldn't do this, but maybe we we cherry

1035
00:57:10.840 --> 00:57:14.519
pick a couple like as a as a more.

1036
00:57:14.760 --> 00:57:19.480
You know, can I tell you that I cut my

1037
00:57:19.519 --> 00:57:21.920
hair like Sigourney Weaver And I've seen that maybe a

1038
00:57:21.960 --> 00:57:24.639
million times, and sitting right here next to me is

1039
00:57:24.719 --> 00:57:26.880
my a.

1040
00:57:26.880 --> 00:57:31.760
All right? Save it for the anniversary episode that we're

1041
00:57:31.760 --> 00:57:32.800
probably gonna end up doing.

1042
00:57:34.159 --> 00:57:35.320
Listeners, make it happen.

1043
00:57:35.760 --> 00:57:39.079
Fred Hayes, Apollo thirteen. I don't think you could do

1044
00:57:39.159 --> 00:57:41.719
that with any other three guys.

1045
00:57:42.119 --> 00:57:45.519
No, chemistry was just perfect chemistry.

1046
00:57:46.000 --> 00:57:51.079
Yeah, Ron Howard, our new friend we met. Oh, he's

1047
00:57:51.119 --> 00:57:55.519
so cool. He's so cool. And then definitely I'm glad

1048
00:57:55.639 --> 00:58:02.039
that you mentioned the extreme. Well, yeah, I'm sorry, but

1049
00:58:02.320 --> 00:58:05.199
he is awesome in Twister. He is.

1050
00:58:05.400 --> 00:58:06.840
He is amazing.

1051
00:58:07.159 --> 00:58:09.400
It's just a it's a it's a roller coaster ride.

1052
00:58:09.400 --> 00:58:10.320
It's popcorn movie.

1053
00:58:10.760 --> 00:58:11.480
Absolutely.

1054
00:58:11.599 --> 00:58:14.440
I'm not watching it because I needed to be substance.

1055
00:58:14.480 --> 00:58:16.119
I'm watching it because it's it's just fun and he

1056
00:58:16.199 --> 00:58:17.559
makes it. He makes it fun.

1057
00:58:17.920 --> 00:58:23.000
Yep. Absolutely yeah, and has some of the most ridiculous

1058
00:58:23.480 --> 00:58:27.159
dialogue that he has to say, and he sells it

1059
00:58:27.280 --> 00:58:28.599
like nobody else could do that.

1060
00:58:29.079 --> 00:58:33.280
He does shout out to our nineteen ninety six limited

1061
00:58:33.280 --> 00:58:37.119
series because we covered Twister also, so yep, this is

1062
00:58:37.159 --> 00:58:39.719
this is the shout out episode film at forty five,

1063
00:58:39.840 --> 00:58:41.360
nineteen eighty six, nineteen ninety six.

1064
00:58:41.199 --> 00:58:46.199
Were like that wall with the strings, Yeah, exactly, all connected.

1065
00:58:46.559 --> 00:58:50.000
It's all connected. So so you kind of you kind

1066
00:58:50.039 --> 00:58:53.039
of hinted at it already. Let's talk about final thoughts.

1067
00:58:53.079 --> 00:58:57.360
Let's talk about your recommendation. And before you answer, I

1068
00:58:57.400 --> 00:58:59.599
do want to say that this film has an absolutely

1069
00:59:00.119 --> 00:59:00.840
great ending.

1070
00:59:01.440 --> 00:59:06.880
Yes you agree, Yes, definitely, we're hanging in for Amber.

1071
00:59:06.920 --> 00:59:09.119
Can we say without spoilers that the good guy wins

1072
00:59:09.239 --> 00:59:15.280
and evil gets punished. No, you're you're gonna have to

1073
00:59:15.280 --> 00:59:19.480
go back. You have to you you need to watch

1074
00:59:19.480 --> 00:59:19.880
it again.

1075
00:59:20.960 --> 00:59:24.280
I do I think that, you know, if you're having

1076
00:59:24.400 --> 00:59:28.000
kind of like like a murder mystery thing, and yeah,

1077
00:59:28.239 --> 00:59:31.599
or like movies with a twist kind of thing, or

1078
00:59:31.599 --> 00:59:34.360
even if you just have somebody that like you like

1079
00:59:34.480 --> 00:59:37.119
to fun argue with. This is one of those great

1080
00:59:37.159 --> 00:59:41.119
movies that like, you can argue nuance, you can argue plot.

1081
00:59:41.639 --> 00:59:45.599
I mean, well, you can catch this one streaming free

1082
00:59:45.639 --> 00:59:51.400
on Plex, free V and Prime. I recommend the physical copy,

1083
00:59:51.760 --> 00:59:54.639
be it DVD or Blu ray, where you will get

1084
00:59:54.639 --> 00:59:57.639
deleted scenes. You get a really cool making up documentary

1085
00:59:58.480 --> 01:00:04.880
an amber, not one but three audio commentaries, one of

1086
01:00:04.920 --> 01:00:08.079
which is an amazing one by Bill Paxton.

1087
01:00:09.199 --> 01:00:12.119
Now see, I was gonna be like the heck, I'm

1088
01:00:12.159 --> 01:00:15.679
paying a method for this, but to listen to him

1089
01:00:15.760 --> 01:00:16.639
talk about.

1090
01:00:16.519 --> 01:00:20.239
Can I can I loan you my copy just so

1091
01:00:20.280 --> 01:00:22.440
you could you can watch the movie with Bill Paxton,

1092
01:00:23.119 --> 01:00:26.280
because I think I think that'll probably put you. That'll

1093
01:00:26.440 --> 01:00:29.400
that'll be your tipping point, That'll be like, Okay, I

1094
01:00:29.400 --> 01:00:31.119
still don't like the digging the whole scene. I don't

1095
01:00:31.159 --> 01:00:33.960
like the child abuse, but this movie is awesome. I

1096
01:00:33.960 --> 01:00:35.599
think I think you needed you need to You need

1097
01:00:35.639 --> 01:00:40.719
to sit with Bill and watch it and let him talk. Okay,

1098
01:00:40.800 --> 01:00:44.760
all right, well, listeners, what do you think of Bill

1099
01:00:44.800 --> 01:00:49.719
Paxton's directorial debut Frailty. Have you seen it? Did we

1100
01:00:49.760 --> 01:00:51.400
get this one wrong? I know, I know we didn't.

1101
01:00:52.079 --> 01:00:53.719
I guess. I guess A better question right now would

1102
01:00:53.719 --> 01:00:57.079
be a are you team Amber or not? You can

1103
01:00:57.159 --> 01:00:59.760
let us know on social media. You'll find us on Facebook, Instagram,

1104
01:00:59.760 --> 01:01:02.559
and x. You can check out a film by podcast

1105
01:01:02.559 --> 01:01:05.800
dot com for all the episodes and a very easy,

1106
01:01:05.880 --> 01:01:08.360
like we said, Amber, a very easy way to find

1107
01:01:08.400 --> 01:01:09.280
all of our episodes.

1108
01:01:09.360 --> 01:01:10.719
Yes, I'm excited about this.

1109
01:01:11.440 --> 01:01:12.599
Yeah, they're all there.

1110
01:01:13.079 --> 01:01:13.199
Uh.

1111
01:01:13.239 --> 01:01:14.920
You can write to us at a film by Podcast

1112
01:01:14.960 --> 01:01:17.960
at gmail dot com with your questions, comments and concerns.

1113
01:01:18.719 --> 01:01:20.599
We may just read your response on the show and

1114
01:01:20.639 --> 01:01:24.239
send you some of a film by swag Amber. You've

1115
01:01:24.239 --> 01:01:27.199
been missed. I'm a I'm missed.

1116
01:01:26.960 --> 01:01:28.039
Being able to be here.

1117
01:01:28.199 --> 01:01:35.000
I'm very excited you what was it? A? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,

1118
01:01:35.039 --> 01:01:36.280
you took the whole month of April off.

1119
01:01:37.360 --> 01:01:40.400
But I'm glad people you have time to get sick

1120
01:01:40.400 --> 01:01:40.599
of me.

1121
01:01:41.239 --> 01:01:44.280
Yeah, I'm glad you're kicking off Bill Paxton month. You're

1122
01:01:44.280 --> 01:01:46.280
gonna do any others with us? Uh? You know we

1123
01:01:46.400 --> 01:01:49.880
talked about a couple. I think you should Indian Summer.

1124
01:01:50.119 --> 01:01:52.119
I was gonna say I'm feeling an Indian summer. I

1125
01:01:52.119 --> 01:01:52.840
want to go back to.

1126
01:01:52.800 --> 01:01:55.800
Camp, to go to come back to camp with me

1127
01:01:55.840 --> 01:01:59.559
and David. Yes' be good time. I'll tell you another thing.

1128
01:01:59.760 --> 01:02:04.039
Let'ss you can look for an Amber centric episode on

1129
01:02:04.119 --> 01:02:06.800
our Patreon this month. I didn't tell you about that,

1130
01:02:06.800 --> 01:02:11.599
did I. You're looking like, wait, what, we'll talk. We'll

1131
01:02:11.599 --> 01:02:16.320
talk off Mike. You're kicking off something fun on Patreon.

1132
01:02:16.480 --> 01:02:18.320
Oh, come join me. I don't know what you're doing,

1133
01:02:18.320 --> 01:02:19.039
but it's gonna.

1134
01:02:19.360 --> 01:02:21.480
I didn't tell you yet, but you'll be game.

1135
01:02:21.519 --> 01:02:23.280
I'm sure I'm down for it.

1136
01:02:24.079 --> 01:02:27.519
Well, well, I'm glad to hear that. And as for

1137
01:02:27.599 --> 01:02:29.920
all of you listening to the show, following us on

1138
01:02:29.920 --> 01:02:34.280
social media, and subscribing to our Patreon, we thank you.