Brad Bird - The Iron Giant

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So I was just thinking the other
day we're about we're like a month away

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from the true forty fifth anniversary of
Superman the movie, Scott, I was

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just I'm still like in all of
the episode that you and David did on

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a Film at forty five earlier this
year. Yeah, you guys had that,

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Yeah, that great, that lovely
introduction by Valerie Perne. Yeah,

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and you had a conversation with Aaron
Smolensky that Yeah, amazing, amazing features

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on that. That was fantastic because
couldn't have asked for better guests. Well,

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Scott, it was hard to stay
away from that episode for me,

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and since then I have been wanting
to talk about another Superman film. If

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that's cool with you, Yeah,
let's get into it, all right.

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Well, let's talk about a film
by Brad Bird, his nineteen ninety nine

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underrated animated classic, The Iron Giant. Hello, everybody, and welcome back

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to a film by a podcast.
I'm Jeff Johnson, I'm Scott Hoffman.

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So from the inception of this podcast, we always knew Brad Bird's directorial debut,

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The Iron Giant, was eventually going
to be discussed on a film buy,

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and not only because in many ways
it is a Superman film, but

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also because of how it handles some
really complex themes. After listening to Scott

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discuss it on the Docking Base seventy
seven podcast, Scott, you did that

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that awesome episode of the top seven
non Disney movies. Yeah, it was

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a give. Yeah, it was
a given that we had to invite our

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good friend Dayton Johnson here today.
Dayton, welcome back. Hey baby,

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we are cool. Welcome to downtown
Coolsville population. Yes, oh boy,

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well the this is gonna get live. So Dayton, listen. You're no

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stranger to the show. You've actually
co hosted several times. You've been you

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were a fixture on our nineteen eighty
six series. But for anyone listening for

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the first time, tell us a
little bit about the Docking Based seventy seven

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podcast. Sure. Basically, what
it is is me and a lot of

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my friends that helped me discuss a
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movies, comic books, books.
Scott's been on there, You've been on

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there, and we always have a
very good time. We like taking shots

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at each other from time to time
and it's all good fun. But I'm

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very lucky to have a lot of
people in my life that are knowledgeable and

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bring a lot of good information to
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our first season we talked about West
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you know, and stuff like that, you know, the Muppets and you

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know, all kinds of crazy stuff. And it never ceases to amaze me

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that the people I have on make
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so it's been a lot of fun, and I'm looking forward to next year

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and you know, we have a
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So I already have most of next
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there with with a lot of other
great folks. Dayton, we're talking about

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The Iron Giant, and we typically
talk about a director's underrated films. Is

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it fair to say this is an
underrated film even though it's a beloved classic?

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Oh? Absolutely. The fact is
it took time for it to gain

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that kind of feel, you know, I still meet people today that had

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ever seen it. And in fact, one of my regulars on the show,

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Disney John, hadn't seen it until
we did that episode of the top

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seven underrated you know, non Disney
animated movies. He hadn't seen the movie

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yet, so I made him,
no, you got to watch that after

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this is over. And it's because
the reason it failed at the box office

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because Warner Brothers was stupid. Yes, they didn't because of Quest for Camelot

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tanked so bad the prior year.
They didn't put any money behind the marketing.

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They didn't even put a teaser poster
out until April, and this came

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out at the end of August,
so it's like they didn't even care and

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they didn't even really make any effort
to spend the money on it. I

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will say they did leave Bradbird alone
during production for the most part, but

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at the same time, they didn't
publicize it. They didn't even realize what

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they had until they went to advance, you know, to early pre screenings,

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and it had the highest numbers of
any of the movies over the last

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fifteen years. So it was so
late in the game and it came out

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the same day that, you know, the Sixth Sense came out and it

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got buried by that. The same
summer, then the live action Inspector Gadget

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came out, the Matrix, you
know, American Pie. It was a

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packed summer and so it just got
buried so much so that when it came

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out that November, we were all
working at Suncoast. At that point,

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I tried to get people to buy
that movie. It was a great Christmas

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gift. You need to buy this
movie. There was like, what is

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this? Nobody knew it was.
And even today, even though there was

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a special edition you know figure at
cons and things like that. It's it's

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similar to what happened with The Night
Remember before Christmas. It was years before

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that became a thing. You know, it takes time, and you know,

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even today, like I said,
I still meet people that have not

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seen it and don't even know what
it is. So it's it breaks my

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heart because it needs to be seen. Yeah, it opens like I think,

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in fourth place, and a few
weeks later it's gone, It disappears.

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It made a fraction of its budget. Yeah, Scott, for the

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people that haven't seen The Iron Giant, tell us what it's all about So,

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it's nineteen fifty seven in Maine.
Sputneck has launched a space race panic

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and kids are learning to duck and
cover in response to the threat of atomic

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holocaust. It's probably the worst time
for a giant robot to crash land just

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offshore this little corner of a semi
paranoid Americana. But when a ten year

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old boy saves his life, they
quickly become friends. They spend a few

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days in the fall learning about life, joining the occasional Superman comic, flying

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a few cars, and figuring out
the difference between food and art. That's

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the robot, that's the robotic giant
learns to become more than what he was

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designed to be. That's a comedy
adventure that asks a simple question. What

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if a gun had a soul?
If that gun decided it didn't want to

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kill, could it be something more? Does it design strictly define its destiny?

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Or could it be? Could it
be who it chooses to be?

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This underrated, underappreciated animated classic challenged
the standards of animated movies, broke the

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Disney mold, and quickly became revered
as a cinematic masterpiece. Fantastic Scott appreciate

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well done so nineteen ninety nine.
Who saw this in the theaters? I

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missed it because by the time I
went to go, Seattle was already gone.

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I believe I saw it in the
theater. I'm having a hard time

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remembering whether I did or not,
but I know at the time I was

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absolutely ravenous for Warner Brothers animation.
We had already had tiny tuted adventures,

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we already had animaniacs, we had
the absolutely gorgeous Batman, the animated series,

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and The Mask of the Phantasm.
So I know that if I had

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heard about this at the time,
I'm going to be in a theater,

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but it's probably a fairly quiet theater, because yeah, this did not get

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marketed the right way. It didn't
get released at the right time, and

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even though it was generating all this
buzz, it was just a crime it

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didn't have more revenue in the theater. I remember I saw this in the

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theater, and it was because I
missed the showtime for the sixth sense,

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and it was one of it says
I was like, well, you know

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this might be I'm already here.
Maybe it's gonna be good. I have

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never been more thankful to be late
to a showtime because I loved it.

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I've loved it from the first time
I've seen it. It's one of my

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favorites. Now, this cast,
not only is it brilliant, but there

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is a huge amount of casting what
IF's attached to this project, and I

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know we don't have a whole lot
of time to get deep into them,

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but I do want to cover several
of them. Let's start with uh,

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let's start with Eli Marienthal, who
plays Hogarth Hugh's now this kid. He's

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already on the map because he's playing
Stiffler's little brother in two American Pie movies

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and Scott you mentioned DC Animation.
He is the voice of Robin in several

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DC animated projects. Yeah. I
love him in this Yeah. Yeah,

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he does a fantastic job. Is
One thing I noted was his voice cracking

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is a perfect compliment to this character
at this age. Yeah, it just

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fits so smoothly, and he's very
relatable. You know, he's still exploring,

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still figuring life out subtle movements like
when he's fidgeting on this on the

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barstool. I know that's not necessarily
the voice work, but his delivery in

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This is so genuine and plays such
a great range. Hats off to Eli.

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He does such a great job conveying
so many different emotions and a lot

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of fear, you know, when
he's trying to convince the robot to stop,

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when he's running towards the town,
or when he's spinning him around in

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the car and he's, you know, yelling, you know, we're landing,

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We're landing, and you know,
to make your voice sound like you're

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spinning around in like, you know, like eighty ninety miles an hour and

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make it believable. That's not easy
to do. But he conveys so many

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different emotions, and I got to
say he's a much more likable character here

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than he ever was in the American
Pie movies, you know, just saying,

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and I think he was the Tim
Drake crobbin right. Yes, Yeah,

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that was, Oh my god.
That was at a time when the

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writing on animated series was astonishing.
It's interesting, Dan you mentioned that the

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we're landing scene. I saw it
in a documentary. He was having a

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hard time making his voice shake like
that, so Brad Bird actually went and

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physically shook Eli while he was delivering
that line. I believe that. Yeah,

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I do too. That's awesome in
a nice way. But yes,

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I'll tell you one thing that I've
always struggled with with the film. I

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love this film. Uh. One
of the more more obscure things. This

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kid's name is Hogarth Hughes. Now, obviously Hughes is derived from from Ted

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Hughes, who wrote the book.
Do you anyone want to take a crack

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at where Hogarth comes from? Because
I was like, oh that okay,

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now that makes sense. Good question. I have no idea, You have

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no idea? All right, Dayton. His name partially comes from an artist,

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uh, burn Hogarth Hogarth. So
that's where the other part of the

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name comes from. Was an artist
I don't know much. Yeah, I

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don't know much about that, that
artist, but that's where I did read

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that, Burne Hogarth, who was
famous for illustrating the Tarzan comic strip.

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So yeah, very little interest,
little love to uh to the the writers

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and animators of Old Hogarth Hughes.
Hogar's mother Annie played by Jennifer Aniston.

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Now, she's about four to five
seasons deep into friends, wildly popular.

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She beats out the likes of Nicole
Kidman, Sarah Michelle Geller and Meg Ryan,

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among others. So the question is, and she was like she was

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Warner Brothers first choice at this point. Also, Scott, I'll start with

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you. Let's say Jennifer Anison passes
on it, who you picking up.

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I'm gonna have to probably lean into
Sarah Michelle Geller because I know that she's

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also done great voice work, and
I think you need the kind of youthful

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performance that Jennifer Aniston gave. I
don't know that Meg Ryan at the time

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would have been the right pick.
Dating is SMG the right call? No,

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I would have been okay with that. But there was one name that

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I saw that I really would have
liked, and I'm gonna pick Julianne Moore

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would have been my second choice.
That's right, Yes, she was.

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She was. I shore her voice, and she could play the mom very

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well, and I think she would
have brought a little bit something more.

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I mean, Anaton did a very
good job, but in an alternate universe,

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Julian Moore playing the mom would have
been very interesting. Yeah, I

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agree with that, all right.
Harry Connick Jr. Is the UH is

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in the role of Dean mccoppin You
know he's our our cool beatnick artist.

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Yes. Now now bird Bird wants
someone who can capture that beatnick voice,

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and allegedly Dayton Johnson is unfortunately too
young at the time. He goes up

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against Matthew Broderick, Steve Martin,
Robin Williams, Brad Pitt, John Cusack,

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and John Travolta. And I know
the studio was really hot for Brad

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Pitt, which I don't I don't
know if that might have been when Pitt

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and Anna's more dating. Maybe that
was the combo there that they're looking at.

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But I don't know thoughts on some
of these alternate options Dayton. The

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only other one that I would have
accepted would have been John Cusack because I

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adored John Cusack. He he has
a good voice for it. But I

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just don't know if anybody is as
good as Harry Conic Junior. So I

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mean that was that was inspired casting. Yeah, Yeah, his relaxed,

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easygoing tone, like it's the the
same kind of delivery that I was loosed

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seeing in like Memphis Bell. Right. Yeah, he's got a great range

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of going from like exaggerated comedic delivery
when he's got a squirrel climbing up his

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pants to you know, when he's
you know, just relaxing when Hogarth is

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on his caffeine high. I totally
agree with your answer, Dayton. I

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can't see Brad Pitt because I feel
like he would have had brought in too

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much pressure from a studio to say, we've got this big name, we've

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got to give more to Dean,
We've got to lean into his character more

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and maybe more of a romance happening
with with Annie, and I don't know,

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wouldn't have been right. I don't
know about that because like this is

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two years after he does True Romance
where he plays Floyd, and I could

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totally see someone like Floyd voicing Dean. See, Floyd was way too stoned

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to be Dean. Yeah, but
like let's let's imagine a sober Floyd.

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You know, who's who's who has
no weed? I don't know, no,

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listen, Harry Connet Junior is the
perfect choice against all those guys.

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But uh that here's where it gets
weird when when you come to casting choices.

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Christopher McDonald, who was obviously famous
as Happy Gilmore, shoot McGavin before

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he's cast. It's a who's who
of iconic actors considered for the role.

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Talking about Lance and Rickson, who
would have been cool, well, maybe

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a little dark and creepy too dark, Willem Dafoe, which we're not leaving

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the creepy category just yet, Kevin
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who I definitely could have seen James
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even weirder, Dennis Hopper and Arnold
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pick. No, they're wrong,
They're absolutely wrong. That's very wrong.

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Could what kind of movie or do
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where's the where's the giant? How
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American? You know, I have
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to me. Sorry, I have
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all these actors wanted the part,
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you stick with Christopher MacDonald Dayton or
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Willum Dafoe or James Woods? Okay, so I would after thinking about it

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and what a fantastic job he did
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accept James Woods, but the character
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so foul and awful that I guess
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but yeah, you know, it's
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that one. I could accept him. How about it, Scott, He

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is the only name that I would
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some of the smug intonation that we
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right delivery for that, you know, like you mentioned Tiger Sport chief,

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how about it? Stuff that's that's
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I'm happy with who got it,
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they're looking at Kirk Douglas, Jack
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it out of the park. I
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to read is you just blew millions
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That's the one I want to hear
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somebody. See, I've got another
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Giant Man's Ley? That's what you
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John Mahoney, you know, as
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point on the Crane scrutiny. It
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the right delivery for this. I
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that you needed as a foil to
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just here to make a name,
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to think about these things more on. And he just has such a great

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way of like that kind of gruff
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into Kent. You've got to have
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they're if they're reading where Where's the
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or Douglas doing it. If they're
doing Dayton's line about blowing billions of dollars

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out of the government's butthole. That's
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it is, and they probably happened
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Scott, I I appreciate you know
you mentioned Jah Mahoney, obviously famous

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for playing Martin Crane on Fraser.
And since you brought up the Crane scrutiny,

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I don't have to do a shameless
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I'll let my my good buddy Jason
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the Crane scrutiny. Adi. Guess
what. Okay, I'm doing a Fraser

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podcast, even though you wouldn't do
it with me. I'm sorry. It's

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a terrible idea back before they reboot
the entire series. Now it's not such

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a bad idea, Okay, I
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is joining me. We're recapping the
new Fraser series on Paramount Plus. If

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you like Fraser to talk about the
old Fraser, we're talking about the new

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Fraser show. Come check us out
over there. You know, I don't

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know if everybody knows, but Jason
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brilliant name for our podcast of surely
you can't be serious. Thank you.

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And the name of this podcast is
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pick a better title. Thank you. That's very good. Jeff actually came

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up with that, so good job, Jeff. Yep, we're gonna have

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fun. Check us out the Crane
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I've heard your first episode, covering
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every second of its. Yeah,
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favorites from nineteen eighty six. They've
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in some supporting roles. And then
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Dominic Toretto. He's the voice of
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you know, prior to this movie, he's an uncredited orderly in Penny

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Marshall's Awakenings, which you know,
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In our Awakenings episode, he writes
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before he gets the job. And
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nugget on Dayton's podcast. Bird's considering
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James Earl Jones, Peter Collin,
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you know, you gotta remember this
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nineteen ninety six? Is Dragon Hart, right, Vin Diesel's the choice though,

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that's the way to go, right, Yeah, yeah, absolutely,

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big fan of classic Disney Jungle Book
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which we're talking about a little bit
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very reminiscent of one of the classic
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who sings the actual song who did
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Tiger and things like that. I
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that and brings forward some of those
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necessarily being a famous name yet in
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performance, Oh, it's spectacular.
I mean he I did read. They've

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used very little effects on his voice, so a lot of what you're hearing

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is him just destroying his voice and
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he says, there's quite a bit
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from him. Know, he only
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movie. Yeah, I'm in full
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break. When we come back,
we're gonna we're gonna talk about some of

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the people behind the scenes, all
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interesting names to discuss here that that
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it is. Pete Townsend, lead
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an executive producer and we'll have more
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background. But speaking with music,
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the composer. When I think children's
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looking at the guy that gave us
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Roadhouse, The Last Boy Scout and
Last Action Hero. I mean, I'm

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glad he got it, but that's
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do a children's animated movie, right, Well, I don't know. I

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think if you're a brad Bird,
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Disney Classic animated. He wants to
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He made a statement at one point
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is Mickey Mouse and Warner Brothers is
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it's got to be a little bit
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think he nailed it, especially some
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where he decided to dial back certain
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I think he had great choices.
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would love to hear Brad Bird's temp
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the temp track is basically a collection
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fi music, and he's like,
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what I'm supposed to do with this
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to cover this that would have been
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Dayton thoughts your thoughts on the Iron
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made my top seven movie scores list, and we did that episode. I

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bought the Mondo edition of the South
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It's beautiful. Monda do his great
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I love it. Michael Kane has
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I look for in the credits and
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did a great job. And to
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out, you know, some things
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then when it needs to be it
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does that without overpowering what's going on
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score. Brad Bird writes a treatment
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Tim mccanley's. Mccanley's gets the job
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what would become Secondhand Lions, that
really great movie with Michael Caine and Robert

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Duval. He's also known he pitches
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of a young Bruce Wayne with Clark
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CW picks it up. You guys
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well, I'm not talking about Gotham
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because the studio actually took that premise
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They turn it into Smallville for the
CW. That blows my mind when

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I think about that. Wow,
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yes, that's an amazing show.
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you know, credited as a writer, you know, basically for the source

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material, the author of The The
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I'm gonna get a little dark here. If you don't know anything about Ted

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Hughes, Uh, you know,
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Sylvia Plath. She would become known
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feminist movement. Following her suicide in
nineteen sixty three, Hughes rights The Iron

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Man to comfort their children. Yeah. Very sad, very dark. Yeah,

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and it gets darker a couple of
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He moves in with his uh,
with his lover Asa Wayville. They

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have a child, and three years
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in a very macabre, similar manner
as Sylvia Plath, did you know,

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using a gas of him. This
this is tragedy for this guy. I

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can't I can't even imagine that.
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the Iron Giant from. You know, he's writing this as a means of

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coping, you know, as a
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what to say to that. Yeah, I knew about Sylvia Plath. I

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didn't know about that. Uh that
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yeah, this this novel was a
way to ease the kid's pain. The

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aspects of it, you know,
things falling apart and being able to come

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back together again. We were able
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out of that tragedy. But that's
that's a horrible background. Well, let's

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talk about the background of this movie. And I know we'll be brief because

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there's so much to talk about.
We could we could go down so many

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rabbit holes. But you know,
we mentioned Pete Townsend. So it's in

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the nineteen eighties, Pete Townsend adapts
the book for a concept album. You

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know, he's looking to duplicate the
success of Tommy, and he releases The

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Iron Man, a musical in nineteen
eighty nine. Dayton, you are one

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of the foremost experts of music.
I'm going to ask you, have you

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ever listened to this or you know
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It's it's okay, you know,
it's no Tommy. You know when

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I when I'm looking, when I'm
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not I should see something or listen
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okay. Well that doesn't I'm not
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pick it up. No, it's
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You know it it is. It's
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and not enough for me to go
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know, I'm glad he got into
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I think it's probably after because of
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I heard about it. I heard
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it out until after the movie.
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The Iron Man a musical, listeners
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on the on the back of it. Not gonna happen. So listen.

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It's nineteen ninety one. Richard Baisley
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on the project. He pitches The
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greats, talking about Don Bluth,
and I know we all love Don Bluth.

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Yes, Baisley has a complete story
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Don Bluth looks it over and has
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this? Is this maybe a mistake
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big one here? You know?
I would have been very interested to see

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his take on the story. We
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we don't get the fun. I
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of leads to that, which is
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is it a mistake I don't know, because I mean, I don't think

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it's a mistake for him because he
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does well. It probably does better
because of him than it did with a

404
00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:34.880
Bird. But man, that's another
alternate universe film I want to see,

405
00:32:34.880 --> 00:32:39.160
though. I would definitely want to
see that because it definitely, just with

406
00:32:39.160 --> 00:32:43.240
with the Blue name, it's going
to get the recognition and the cloud that

407
00:32:43.279 --> 00:32:47.839
it needs to be a big,
big release, I think see. But

408
00:32:50.359 --> 00:32:53.799
I think it would be interesting to
see it, for sure. But I

409
00:32:53.880 --> 00:33:00.720
definitely think it wouldn't do as much
for animation because there was so much,

410
00:33:01.839 --> 00:33:05.839
so many assumptions by the studios to
say, like, well, I don't

411
00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:08.680
know if we can make the mega
million dollar hits. That's more Disney's thing.

412
00:33:10.440 --> 00:33:15.559
I feel like it would have been
kind of lumped into a certain type

413
00:33:15.559 --> 00:33:21.960
of animation and would have just continued
to seem like the standard. It's possible

414
00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:27.000
that, you know, let's say
he had the same kind of crew that

415
00:33:27.160 --> 00:33:30.519
is blending computer animation in subtle ways
with the traditional hand drawn two D.

416
00:33:32.359 --> 00:33:37.519
But I just feel like it was
it was Brad's vision and his passion for

417
00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:43.359
challenging the standards of animation that made
it what it what it is. Well,

418
00:33:43.359 --> 00:33:47.119
see if we're going to a Don
Bluth iron Giant, I don't want

419
00:33:47.160 --> 00:33:52.799
to see computer animation because that's not
what Don Bluth was about. I want

420
00:33:52.799 --> 00:33:57.759
to see I want to see black
Cauldron Don Bluth. You know, that's

421
00:33:57.799 --> 00:33:59.759
that's what I want to see.
I want I want that iron Giant.

422
00:33:59.799 --> 00:34:04.839
So true, I just feel like
the studio probably would have also seen his

423
00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:07.280
name and said like, Okay,
give us another American tale, give us

424
00:34:07.280 --> 00:34:12.800
a land before time, give us
all dogs go to heaven, and probably

425
00:34:12.840 --> 00:34:15.079
saying like, where are the songs? And I was just gonna like,

426
00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:19.880
no songs, no songs in this
one. Just let it tell a story.

427
00:34:20.480 --> 00:34:22.679
I was clear on Dayton's podcast how
I feel about songs and Disney movies.

428
00:34:22.719 --> 00:34:27.880
So I'm with you on that.
Yeah, you know, the idea

429
00:34:27.920 --> 00:34:35.679
is clinging into life though at this
point. Broadway director mcanough he adapted The

430
00:34:35.719 --> 00:34:39.440
Who's Tommy into a stage play with
Townsend, and now he thinks it's it

431
00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:45.000
would make a great feature, and
he's he plays a crucial role in getting

432
00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:49.880
it to land over at Warner Brothers. Now Ultimately, following the restructuring of

433
00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:53.440
Turner Feature Animation into Time Warner,
the project is offered a Brad Bird,

434
00:34:53.639 --> 00:34:57.280
and we'll talk a little bit more
about that when we discuss Bird's background.

435
00:34:58.199 --> 00:35:00.679
But Scott, I think this would
be a good time to discussed the theme

436
00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:04.519
of the film and why Brad Bird
chose to do it. You want to

437
00:35:04.519 --> 00:35:07.760
fill us in one on why Bird
was at that point in his life,

438
00:35:08.199 --> 00:35:13.360
So, you know, similar to
kind of the darker aspect that we were

439
00:35:13.360 --> 00:35:16.360
talking about with with Ted Hughes.
At the time, you know, Brad

440
00:35:16.440 --> 00:35:22.000
was going through some personal transitions professionally
and you know, having kind of a

441
00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:27.159
rough go So during this time he
lost his sister, Susan, who was

442
00:35:27.199 --> 00:35:30.920
shot and killed by her husband.
He was having a very rough time.

443
00:35:30.960 --> 00:35:34.119
Like I said, he was a
creative consultant on The Simpsons. But it

444
00:35:34.440 --> 00:35:38.280
ultimately kind of inspired that idea that
I mentioned in the synopsis, kind of

445
00:35:38.320 --> 00:35:44.199
this thesis statement, what if a
gun had a soul? What if a

446
00:35:44.280 --> 00:35:47.440
thing that was designed to kill didn't
want to kill or didn't want to be

447
00:35:47.480 --> 00:35:53.400
a gun? And when he steps
into a room and pitches this kind of

448
00:35:53.440 --> 00:35:59.400
simple thesis and then outlines the rest
of the story to this board. There's

449
00:35:59.440 --> 00:36:04.639
a lot of murmurs around the room, a lot of people saying like,

450
00:36:04.639 --> 00:36:07.000
wait, hold on a second,
We've got something here. And it was

451
00:36:07.079 --> 00:36:13.079
another example of turning a dark moment
into something that could speak to a lot

452
00:36:13.079 --> 00:36:15.400
of people. I think that would
be a good time to talk about the

453
00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:22.679
pivotal scene of this movie, and
listeners were not talking about the climax of

454
00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:24.800
the movie. We're not talking about
the popular scene that you probably saw in

455
00:36:24.840 --> 00:36:30.360
the trailer. We're just talking about
a pivotal moment in the film that that

456
00:36:30.440 --> 00:36:37.519
speaks volumes to its story. I
had the idea that we would probably all

457
00:36:37.559 --> 00:36:42.440
have the same scene in mind,
but then Dayton quickly off Mike reminded me

458
00:36:42.480 --> 00:36:44.880
at the beginning of this like,
I don't think so, So Dayton,

459
00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:49.800
I'm gonna ask you, what is
the pivotal scene of The Iron Giant?

460
00:36:51.320 --> 00:37:00.400
Okay, so my answer revolves around
Kent and Hogarth. It's the interrogation scene

461
00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:06.159
when Hogarth comes home and he locks
him in the barn, points that light

462
00:37:06.199 --> 00:37:12.480
at him, and he basically tortures
a child. We learn how far Kent

463
00:37:12.679 --> 00:37:16.480
is willing to go. What a
horrible person. This guy is, you

464
00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:20.360
know, he threatens his mom,
he threatens to take him away from his

465
00:37:20.440 --> 00:37:23.440
mother. And only at that point
does you know, Hogarth finally go.

466
00:37:24.320 --> 00:37:28.440
You know, he's in the junk
yard, and he gives up because he

467
00:37:28.440 --> 00:37:31.559
doesn't want to lose his mom.
He has to choose between his mom and

468
00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:36.719
this greatest thing he's ever found in
his life, you know, kind of

469
00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:40.000
you know, even though it's like
a kid, it's still kind of a

470
00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:43.719
father figure. You take that and
put it with you know, Dean,

471
00:37:44.360 --> 00:37:46.840
and he gets the father he's been
missing. So he's willing to give him

472
00:37:46.880 --> 00:37:50.800
up because he doesn't want to lose
his mom. He already lost his dad.

473
00:37:50.840 --> 00:37:53.760
He doesn't want to lose his mom. And then Kent drugs him.

474
00:37:53.840 --> 00:37:58.920
He chloroforms this kid, this child, puts him in his bed, and

475
00:37:58.960 --> 00:38:04.159
then nails the indoor shut so he
can't get out. Oh my god.

476
00:38:04.679 --> 00:38:07.800
At that point, you know,
you know, Mansley was funny and kind

477
00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:10.480
of annoying, but at that point
I just wanted him to die. He

478
00:38:10.599 --> 00:38:15.199
was horrible. And then to me, anything that happened to him after the

479
00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:20.320
fact was too good for him,
you know. And then and then of

480
00:38:20.320 --> 00:38:23.559
course they had that standoff where they
stare at each other and Hogarth, you

481
00:38:23.559 --> 00:38:27.320
know, tricks him to thinking he
fell asleep so they can get up.

482
00:38:27.400 --> 00:38:32.519
It's it's great because it shows that
what how far Mansley was willing to go,

483
00:38:34.039 --> 00:38:37.280
and that Hogarth was smart enough to
figure out Okay, I'm gonna give

484
00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:38.760
him up, but I'm going to
figure out a way to still warn them

485
00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:43.159
as so they can prepare for the
for the army. So there's a lot

486
00:38:43.239 --> 00:38:46.559
going on in those that short four
or five minutes, and I think it

487
00:38:46.599 --> 00:38:52.920
speaks a lot to those two characters. I'll agree with that Mansley is is

488
00:38:53.000 --> 00:38:57.800
fun in a slapsticky kind of way
up until that moment, and that's when

489
00:38:57.800 --> 00:39:02.880
he really becomes just like this turd
scumb in. At least you want bad

490
00:39:02.920 --> 00:39:07.679
things to happen to him. This
has got to go the worst character McDonald's

491
00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:10.000
ever played. I mean, if
you look at every that he's terrible.

492
00:39:12.440 --> 00:39:17.480
Worst character. Yeah, yeah,
he is a villain. Scott. Is

493
00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:21.760
this your pivotal scene or did you
have something in also mind? It is

494
00:39:21.800 --> 00:39:27.239
not. My pivotal scene is in
the Junkyard. Wow, Okay, we're

495
00:39:27.239 --> 00:39:29.599
gonna have three different scenes here.
I didn't. I didn't anticipate this,

496
00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:35.599
tell Us Scott. So for me, it's and if anybody has a chance,

497
00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:38.280
I highly recommend getting the signature edition
of Iron Giant. It was a

498
00:39:38.320 --> 00:39:43.679
limited series, but it has a
short in their era deleted scene called The

499
00:39:43.719 --> 00:39:47.679
Giant's Dream, which adds quite a
bit, I think to this scene.

500
00:39:47.960 --> 00:39:54.719
But it's after Hogarth has talked through
a bunch of comics with the Giant,

501
00:39:55.360 --> 00:40:00.440
and it's kind of interesting that,
you know, Hogarth goes through you're kind

502
00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:05.039
of a range of comics from when
you first see him, The Red Menace,

503
00:40:05.519 --> 00:40:07.480
which is kind of an interesting title
for you know, Aliens from Above

504
00:40:07.519 --> 00:40:13.360
and Invaders from Mars Mad Magazine,
The Spirit, which is a treatment that

505
00:40:13.400 --> 00:40:15.559
Brad Bird tried to get off the
ground. And I'd love to see at

506
00:40:15.559 --> 00:40:22.920
some point a Tomo and action comics
featuring Superman. So this is the scene

507
00:40:22.920 --> 00:40:27.800
that I'm thinking of, is where
the Giant says, you know, he's

508
00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:34.320
he's got the sparking Hogarth has a
sparking gun and he's playing that he's shooting

509
00:40:34.360 --> 00:40:37.320
at the Giant and he's like,
hey, you're a tomo and he's like,

510
00:40:37.440 --> 00:40:40.079
no, no, Tomo, I'm
Superman and he has the big s

511
00:40:40.159 --> 00:40:45.119
on his chest and then you know, Hogarth is trying to get the gun

512
00:40:45.159 --> 00:40:47.639
to work, aims it back at
him and he, you know, the

513
00:40:47.800 --> 00:40:54.719
Giant accidentally shoots at him. It
triggers his defense mechanisms, and that's a

514
00:40:54.800 --> 00:41:00.199
scene where you see Dean react to
you know, not expecting the Giant to

515
00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:05.639
be this kind of a thing,
but seeing that he's a threat, and

516
00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:10.440
you see a lot of emotion from
the Giant, like horrified that he could

517
00:41:10.480 --> 00:41:15.239
have possibly done this thing, completely
unaware that that's who he is, and

518
00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:20.519
just as the snow starts to fall, And to me, that's that kind

519
00:41:20.559 --> 00:41:24.199
of pivot moment where it goes into
all the you know, the action scenes

520
00:41:24.199 --> 00:41:29.920
and everything else that follows. I
think it was just done perfectly. I

521
00:41:29.920 --> 00:41:34.400
don't know if it was Bird's intention, but that moment Scott, as you

522
00:41:34.440 --> 00:41:37.360
said, he the giant realizes what
he's what he truly is what he's capable

523
00:41:37.400 --> 00:41:44.079
of, and he has that moment
of shame. It reminds me of Frankenstein

524
00:41:44.559 --> 00:41:47.559
when when the Frankenstein monster throws the
little girl in the water because he thinks

525
00:41:47.599 --> 00:41:52.360
all beautiful things go on the water
after seeing her throw the thro the flowers

526
00:41:52.360 --> 00:41:58.320
in there. I love that moment
and it does it does say a lot

527
00:41:58.360 --> 00:42:04.880
about who the Giant is. Now
my pivotal scene again, dealing with the

528
00:42:04.960 --> 00:42:08.079
Giant and kind of learning, you
know, becoming more self aware, becoming

529
00:42:08.119 --> 00:42:13.880
more human if you will. I
got to go to uh to Hogarth teaching

530
00:42:13.960 --> 00:42:16.880
the Giant about death after they see
the deer get shot. Mm hmm.

531
00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:22.000
It's such a it's such a heartfelt
moment. It's a sad moment because Hogarth,

532
00:42:22.639 --> 00:42:29.280
you got this nine year old boy
explaining what death is and and how

533
00:42:29.880 --> 00:42:32.840
it comes all of us. But
but that's okay because you know, we

534
00:42:32.880 --> 00:42:37.440
all we also have a spirit and
the spirit lasts, you know, is

535
00:42:37.480 --> 00:42:40.920
everlasting. So great moment for Hogarth, great moment for the Giant. That

536
00:42:40.920 --> 00:42:45.480
that would be my pivotal scene.
Yeah, that's a that's a great choice,

537
00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:50.320
I think. Yep. It's worth
noting that when they watched that,

538
00:42:50.400 --> 00:42:53.400
the animation team, the production team
got together to kind of watch that,

539
00:42:54.360 --> 00:42:59.079
you know, uh scene about the
giant kind of talking about you know,

540
00:42:59.119 --> 00:43:01.800
what has a soul that it's a
little separate from that, but the crew

541
00:43:01.880 --> 00:43:07.199
is weeping at you know. Storyboard
level, really rough animation, and people

542
00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:13.960
just wept. That speaks a lot
to the emotional weight of this movie.

543
00:43:14.519 --> 00:43:16.800
I know there were some points when
they thought about making some different choices,

544
00:43:16.840 --> 00:43:22.840
like the giant accidentally squishing the deer
and being the one that would actually kill

545
00:43:22.840 --> 00:43:27.320
it. I'm very glad that they
made the choice that they did because it

546
00:43:27.360 --> 00:43:32.480
speaks to the central theme of this
of this movie, and in both of

547
00:43:32.480 --> 00:43:37.239
those moments, there are things that
lead him to choose to be something else

548
00:43:37.320 --> 00:43:42.320
than what he was designed to be. On that note, let's take another

549
00:43:42.400 --> 00:43:46.599
break, and when we come back, we will talk a little bit about

550
00:43:46.960 --> 00:43:53.280
the man himself, brad Bird,
and dip into his filmography. Okay,

551
00:43:53.320 --> 00:43:59.360
we are back. I'm assuming you
guys probably already know most of what I'm

552
00:43:59.360 --> 00:44:02.920
about to drop on, but because
our listeners may not, I will be

553
00:44:04.159 --> 00:44:07.519
I'll be brief because there is a
lot to talk about brad Bird in a

554
00:44:07.519 --> 00:44:14.199
short amount of time. So Philip
Bradley Bird was born in nineteen fifty seven,

555
00:44:14.480 --> 00:44:16.239
the same year as the Iron Giants
setting. I don't think that's a

556
00:44:16.239 --> 00:44:21.800
coincidence. His parents, Scott,
you mentioned this, briefly mentioned this.

557
00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:24.119
His parents take him to see Walt
Disney's a Jungle Book. When he's eleven,

558
00:44:24.920 --> 00:44:30.239
he decides then he wants to be
an animator, and through a friend

559
00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:34.119
of his parents, he gets to
take a tour Disney where he lets them

560
00:44:34.159 --> 00:44:37.159
know he'll be back one day to
work and they're like, wow, who's

561
00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:43.400
this kid. At age fourteen,
he completes his first animated short and mails

562
00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:49.360
it to Disney. This ultimately leads
to an apprenticeship from the studio's Nine Old

563
00:44:49.400 --> 00:44:52.800
Men. Dayton, I can't think
of anyone else that is more of an

564
00:44:52.840 --> 00:44:59.639
expert on Walt Disney. Can you
give us a brief explanation of who the

565
00:44:59.719 --> 00:45:05.079
Nine Old Men are? Yeah?
The Nine Old Men are basically the original

566
00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:08.159
animators that Walt Disney worked with when
they started the studio. You know,

567
00:45:08.239 --> 00:45:12.840
they were responsible for, you know, the snow Whiteness of a Dwarfs and

568
00:45:13.679 --> 00:45:20.239
Sleeping Beauty, the early the early
classic Walt Disney films that basically created the

569
00:45:20.320 --> 00:45:24.039
juggernaut that would become Walt Disney animation. Yeah. These these are the guys

570
00:45:24.039 --> 00:45:29.679
that put him on a scholarship to
the California Institute of the Arts in the

571
00:45:29.760 --> 00:45:34.000
late seventies, and from there he
goes to work for Disney. He's joining

572
00:45:34.039 --> 00:45:37.039
a new generation of animators because these
guys have they have all kind of moved

573
00:45:37.079 --> 00:45:40.239
on that some of them are directing, some of them retired. But here's

574
00:45:40.239 --> 00:45:46.400
what what kind of fascinates me about
brad Bird and the path he takes.

575
00:45:47.519 --> 00:45:54.000
He becomes very critical of management and
senior leadership and is openly criticizing them for

576
00:45:54.039 --> 00:46:00.840
their unwillingness to take risks. And
when he's confronted by said leadership, he

577
00:46:00.920 --> 00:46:05.039
actually challenges him to fire him if
they don't like what he has to say.

578
00:46:05.320 --> 00:46:10.119
Well, he's fired on the spot
now. Before he leaves, though,

579
00:46:10.119 --> 00:46:14.800
he does receive credit for The Small
One and The Fox and the Hound,

580
00:46:15.480 --> 00:46:19.280
but he goes uncredited for his work
on Mickey's Christmas Carol and The Black

581
00:46:19.280 --> 00:46:22.559
Cauldron. That's two. That's two
Disney works that I maintain are some of

582
00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:27.880
their best. And you know,
Dayton, you you gave us an opportunity

583
00:46:27.920 --> 00:46:30.239
to talk about The Black Cauldron,
yep, And I told you it's my

584
00:46:30.360 --> 00:46:37.480
number one Disney film, Don Bluth
Black Cauldron. Knowing that Brad Bird was

585
00:46:37.519 --> 00:46:40.400
involved just makes me love it even
more. So. He's got a portfolio

586
00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:45.119
of work he's bouncing around the studio
system trying to get funding for an animated

587
00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:50.639
adaptation of Will Eisner's comic book The
Spirit Again. Scott alluded alluded to earlier.

588
00:46:51.519 --> 00:46:54.639
He gets involved with Ambulin does Amazing
Stories. He's got a few episodes

589
00:46:54.679 --> 00:47:00.559
there. One of his story outlines
becomes the film Batteries Not Included nineteen eighty

590
00:47:00.599 --> 00:47:04.920
seven, which he co writes,
and from there he gets a job as

591
00:47:04.920 --> 00:47:12.039
an executive consultant on the first eight
seasons of The Simpsons. He directs the

592
00:47:12.039 --> 00:47:16.639
season one episode Krusty Gets Busted,
as well as the season three episode like

593
00:47:16.679 --> 00:47:22.639
Father Blake Clown and I think I
think it's Treehouse of Horror seven maybe in

594
00:47:22.719 --> 00:47:27.039
ninety seven. That's like the last
credit he gets on The Simpsons from you

595
00:47:27.039 --> 00:47:31.679
know, might need a you know
fact check on that. But nineteen ninety

596
00:47:31.760 --> 00:47:37.119
five he joins Turner Feature Animation and
starts fast tracking a sci fi feature called

597
00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:43.480
Raygun. He co writes that with
Matthew Roberts, but a year later Turner

598
00:47:43.519 --> 00:47:46.400
merges with Time Warner and they make
it clear they have no interest in ray

599
00:47:46.440 --> 00:47:52.039
Gun, but they do offer him
several projects, one of which is the

600
00:47:52.039 --> 00:47:57.280
Iron Giant and as Scott told us, you know, he kind of he

601
00:47:57.320 --> 00:48:01.800
gets the project. He reads the
book, becomes fascinated with it and sees

602
00:48:01.840 --> 00:48:07.280
that there's something there. So he
doesn't have a big filmography, but if

603
00:48:07.280 --> 00:48:09.800
you guys are ready, I said, we jump into it. Yep,

604
00:48:09.880 --> 00:48:13.920
I'll do it. So it's worth
noting. Like we talked about amazing stories,

605
00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:19.119
we talked about the Simpsons. He's
the director of the Bartman Do the

606
00:48:19.159 --> 00:48:21.960
Bartman music video, which I know
we all love when we were kids.

607
00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:28.039
Following his directorial debut The Iron Giant
in nineteen ninety nine, he goes on

608
00:48:28.119 --> 00:48:34.119
to what might be the best Pixar
film ever created. Dayton is shaking his

609
00:48:34.119 --> 00:48:39.760
head already talking about The Incredibles.
Absolutely. Yeah. I remember the first

610
00:48:39.760 --> 00:48:43.639
time I saw this in the theater
and somebody asked me how it was.

611
00:48:43.679 --> 00:48:45.559
I said, well, the title
tells you how good this movie is,

612
00:48:45.639 --> 00:48:52.639
because it's freaking incredible. It's so
good. And it's one of those things

613
00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:57.199
that I laugh at Warner Brothers because
they had this director who would go on

614
00:48:57.400 --> 00:49:02.000
to make multiple films for Pixar,
and they had him and they screwed him.

615
00:49:02.039 --> 00:49:06.199
And I'll see you later. I'm
gonna go somewhace else and you know,

616
00:49:06.559 --> 00:49:08.280
look what he's given us since then. It's just it's funny, and

617
00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:15.480
the Incredibles are It's my favorite Pixar
movie of all time. Yeah, I

618
00:49:15.559 --> 00:49:21.280
agree with you. He was shopping
The Incredibles around in the early nineties to

619
00:49:21.280 --> 00:49:23.480
some of these studios and none of
them are binding on it. And I

620
00:49:23.599 --> 00:49:29.440
gotta feel like they're kicking themselves when
this comes out in two thousand and four,

621
00:49:29.480 --> 00:49:34.480
because it is a blockbuster success and
shows us, like, you know

622
00:49:34.519 --> 00:49:37.440
what, there's more to Pixar than
just toy story. Yep, and I

623
00:49:37.480 --> 00:49:39.280
agree with you. This is this
is their best. This is Pixar's best.

624
00:49:39.880 --> 00:49:47.000
Yeah, it's it's it's stylistic.
The style is cool, it's original,

625
00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:55.320
it has everything that it needs to
succeed. The writing was phenomenal.

626
00:49:57.119 --> 00:50:02.119
Teaming up with Michael Giacchino for the
music was inspired. Like, there's there's

627
00:50:02.199 --> 00:50:07.599
so much that's just stylistically cool about
The Incredibles. It's one of my favorites

628
00:50:07.639 --> 00:50:09.079
of all time. Now. He
over the next couple of years, he

629
00:50:09.119 --> 00:50:12.679
does a couple of shorts for Pixar. He's well, you know, there's

630
00:50:12.679 --> 00:50:16.000
like a Jack Jack short that that's
uh, that's that's that's out there,

631
00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:22.920
which is fun. Yeah, two
thousand and seven. His next feature Radatui.

632
00:50:22.880 --> 00:50:29.119
I'm gonna go ahead and tell you
I haven't seen it. What but

633
00:50:29.199 --> 00:50:31.920
I but I don't. I'm just
not compelled to see it. You look

634
00:50:32.039 --> 00:50:37.960
dat you you're both shaking your heads
at mess. I listened. I watched.

635
00:50:38.119 --> 00:50:40.480
I watched the trailer like a week
ago because I was like, you

636
00:50:40.480 --> 00:50:44.119
know what I really want to get
in this and just I don't know.

637
00:50:44.679 --> 00:50:49.119
Okay. It has an eight point
one on IMDb and a ninety six meta

638
00:50:49.159 --> 00:50:52.039
score. Okay, I mean it
is so much fun. The characters are

639
00:50:52.079 --> 00:50:57.719
fantastic and oh my god, it
occurred to me that you haven't seen this

640
00:50:57.800 --> 00:51:01.239
movie much. It hurts me.
You're you're I think I don't think you

641
00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:06.599
need to see the trailer first.
I think you just need to spool it

642
00:51:06.679 --> 00:51:08.800
up and hit play. Yeah,
agree, trust me, trust me.

643
00:51:09.800 --> 00:51:14.280
Trailer does not do it justice.
It really does not. Just thinking about

644
00:51:14.280 --> 00:51:20.639
like Brad Bird has this tendency to
take really original ideas and give it so

645
00:51:20.840 --> 00:51:25.280
much style and heart, and it
absolutely comes through in rat Tattoo as well.

646
00:51:25.280 --> 00:51:28.960
And you wouldn't necessarily think of that
when like, if you look at

647
00:51:28.960 --> 00:51:30.719
the synopsis for what the movie is
about, it doesn't seem like it has

648
00:51:30.760 --> 00:51:37.119
any opportunity for style or cool,
but it absolutely does. Yep. Yeah,

649
00:51:37.159 --> 00:51:40.199
I just I watched the trailer and
I see, I see a lot

650
00:51:40.199 --> 00:51:45.519
of things I don't like. France, rats, chefs. Just stop buying

651
00:51:45.599 --> 00:51:50.000
the trailer, man, trust us, trust us, give it two hours.

652
00:51:50.440 --> 00:51:53.119
All right, I'll tell you what
I will begrudgingly. I will go

653
00:51:53.199 --> 00:51:59.119
in. I'm gonna watch this and
I you know me, you know,

654
00:51:59.239 --> 00:52:02.400
Dayton's over there with like the you
know, the Pixar skull, ready to

655
00:52:02.639 --> 00:52:07.320
make me a true believer. Yeah, I'm just dating. I'm just thinking

656
00:52:07.360 --> 00:52:10.920
of a line. Uh, you
know what your muscle through the gag reflex.

657
00:52:12.440 --> 00:52:17.280
Really, you guys aren't selling it, but I'll take I'll take a

658
00:52:17.280 --> 00:52:21.000
look at it. Oh my god, the humor in that movie is just

659
00:52:21.360 --> 00:52:24.079
on another another level. Yeah.
All right, Well, before I upset

660
00:52:24.119 --> 00:52:27.840
you further, let's let's move on
to twenty eleven, because I think we

661
00:52:27.880 --> 00:52:34.599
can all agree his first live action
film is awesome. And I'm talking about

662
00:52:35.000 --> 00:52:39.480
Mission Impossible Ghost Protocol. Yeah,
easily my favorite, my favorite in the

663
00:52:39.519 --> 00:52:45.039
series by far, totally agree,
even with the new ones. You're saying,

664
00:52:45.039 --> 00:52:46.519
this beats fall Out, this beats
oh yeah, oh yeah. Because

665
00:52:46.559 --> 00:52:51.679
Okay, when I heard he was
directing this, I got all the feels

666
00:52:52.119 --> 00:52:54.400
because I love The Incredibles. I
loved Iron Dry. It's like, I

667
00:52:54.400 --> 00:52:59.880
can't wait to see what he does
live action because my brain imagined I just

668
00:53:00.039 --> 00:53:02.119
pictured all the stunts he'd put in, especially in The Incredibles. I'm like,

669
00:53:02.360 --> 00:53:06.480
he's going to do stuff like that
live action, And he absolutely did,

670
00:53:06.480 --> 00:53:09.000
and he made it fun. He
he there was interesting stuff in this

671
00:53:09.079 --> 00:53:13.559
movie. And I'm only sorry we
got one, you know, I'm just

672
00:53:13.559 --> 00:53:15.400
sorry we only got one from him, because it's the other ones are good.

673
00:53:15.639 --> 00:53:20.280
I'm not saying, but by far
my favorite. Well. I think

674
00:53:20.320 --> 00:53:23.400
it's surprising to think. I mean, this is we're talking about a blockbuster

675
00:53:23.480 --> 00:53:29.719
franchise that's already established, and they're
they're tapping an animation director who has,

676
00:53:30.840 --> 00:53:37.280
you know, no experience directing real
people. Right, you know, It's

677
00:53:37.320 --> 00:53:40.400
it's surprising, but it's it's a
pleasant surprise. Because Ghost Protocol it might

678
00:53:40.440 --> 00:53:43.800
be the best mission impossible film.
I don't know, I you know,

679
00:53:43.840 --> 00:53:45.239
I recently watched all of them because
we had the new one come out this

680
00:53:45.239 --> 00:53:50.199
this past summer. I'd have to
I'd have to go back and do like

681
00:53:50.239 --> 00:53:52.679
a rack and stack. But it's
definitely if it's not the top one,

682
00:53:52.719 --> 00:53:54.559
it's it's in the top three for
me. Sounds like that's a future topic,

683
00:53:54.920 --> 00:54:00.280
Jeff, that's you. You'll find
that on docum base seventy seven.

684
00:54:00.320 --> 00:54:02.360
That's he. You know, I
don't know if we can rack and stack.

685
00:54:02.679 --> 00:54:07.920
You know that sounds Dayton speed.
We're gonna skip the second one though,

686
00:54:08.000 --> 00:54:12.960
we see No. I like,
I like Whoa. I love what

687
00:54:13.039 --> 00:54:15.880
Jost does for the franchise. Yes, hold on Scott, Let's hold on

688
00:54:15.920 --> 00:54:20.159
Scott. Let's over that. Let's
not gloss over. That's fine, that's

689
00:54:20.199 --> 00:54:24.920
fine. No, don't take John
Wu's name in vain. That's I'm not.

690
00:54:25.360 --> 00:54:29.679
I'm not. I'm just saying,
you know, it's the weakest of

691
00:54:29.760 --> 00:54:38.840
the bunch. You see. Got
no. So twenty fifteen, he gives

692
00:54:38.920 --> 00:54:44.719
us tomorrow Land again. I have
not seen this one, and it's not

693
00:54:44.760 --> 00:54:47.280
for a lack. It's not.
It's not because I have ratituy vibes from

694
00:54:47.280 --> 00:54:51.440
it. It's because it's just one
of those that got away right. It

695
00:54:51.519 --> 00:54:52.599
was like, I want to see
it. I'll see it when I can.

696
00:54:53.559 --> 00:54:55.400
But it didn't make a big hit. It wasn't big hit though,

697
00:54:55.440 --> 00:55:00.360
didn't make a big splash, right. Uh No, I did see it

698
00:55:00.360 --> 00:55:06.360
in the theater and we actually did
an episode on that on Tomorrowland. And

699
00:55:06.880 --> 00:55:09.320
it's there's a book. There's a
lot of good people involved. It's not

700
00:55:09.360 --> 00:55:13.719
a dud by any stretching the imagination. It's fun, it's visually amazing,

701
00:55:13.760 --> 00:55:21.719
it's a clever idea. And because
of this movie, he passed on Star

702
00:55:21.760 --> 00:55:25.920
Wars Force Awakens. He was on
the short list to do the first Star

703
00:55:25.960 --> 00:55:30.960
Wars the Disney era movies, and
he turned it down because he was working

704
00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:36.079
on Tomorrowland. My hot take right
now will be if he would have taken

705
00:55:36.239 --> 00:55:42.280
the Force Awakens, it would have
been a better movie it. Yeah,

706
00:55:42.360 --> 00:55:45.840
No, I don't disagree. I
don't disagree. Yeah, I think I

707
00:55:45.840 --> 00:55:49.559
think, you know, I mean, we we've kind of established Bird as

708
00:55:49.599 --> 00:55:52.280
a bit of a maverick. He
will challenge the studio even if even if

709
00:55:52.280 --> 00:55:57.519
they if it means they're going to
fire him. I think he puts his

710
00:55:57.559 --> 00:56:02.719
foot down on the four Awakens and
and not to give us a cookie cutter

711
00:56:02.800 --> 00:56:06.920
nostalgia trip that JJ Abrams does kind
of goes like, you know what,

712
00:56:06.960 --> 00:56:08.559
we're gonna do it my way or
fire me, and maybe they're like,

713
00:56:08.599 --> 00:56:13.760
okay, well we'll fire you again. But yeah, I don't know.

714
00:56:13.760 --> 00:56:16.719
I would have I would have loved
to have seen his Star Wars film as

715
00:56:16.719 --> 00:56:20.760
opposed to what we got. That's
that's what I'll say. And I do

716
00:56:20.840 --> 00:56:22.559
want to see tomorrow Land. It's
just one of those you know. I

717
00:56:22.639 --> 00:56:25.679
was like the last zero Hour,
I'm like, it's it's not streaming anywhere,

718
00:56:25.679 --> 00:56:29.840
all right, Well you can borrow
my copy, you can borrow my

719
00:56:30.760 --> 00:56:32.119
right. I do think it's a
shame that it's not streaming anywhere. I

720
00:56:32.119 --> 00:56:37.840
mean, I think the the trailer
is captivating. Every single time I watch

721
00:56:37.920 --> 00:56:40.119
it, I'm like, Wow,
just the camera work all alone is brilliant.

722
00:56:42.360 --> 00:56:45.079
But I think he made the right
call at that time, because again,

723
00:56:45.239 --> 00:56:50.880
it's it's original, right, It's
an original concept. It's something that

724
00:56:50.960 --> 00:56:54.920
he's been thinking about since the Iron
Giant. When you watch the signature edition,

725
00:56:54.960 --> 00:57:00.239
you see in the the TV that
the the Giant's hands watching instead of

726
00:57:00.239 --> 00:57:05.480
a Mapo commercial, it's a tomorrow
Land Yeah, well that's the that's the

727
00:57:05.519 --> 00:57:08.480
signature edition. Yeah, that gives
that because I know he wanted that,

728
00:57:08.760 --> 00:57:15.159
Disney said no. Then it becomes
popular and the you know, signature edition

729
00:57:15.239 --> 00:57:17.199
is is great because there's a couple
of deleted scenes that get put back in.

730
00:57:17.639 --> 00:57:22.519
Yeah, we're just like raw animatronics
and stuff, you know, initially,

731
00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:27.960
but yeah, tomorrow, land definitely
want to see dating this is.

732
00:57:28.280 --> 00:57:32.199
This is George Clooney, right,
yes, yeah, it's a fun movie.

733
00:57:32.199 --> 00:57:36.519
It's a fun movie. It's definitely
worth seeing. All right, Well

734
00:57:36.519 --> 00:57:43.440
I'll tell you one that's definitely worth
seeing. His last directorial effort, twenty

735
00:57:43.480 --> 00:57:51.039
eighteen's Incredibles Too. Everything you loved
about The Incredibles, he takes it and

736
00:57:51.079 --> 00:57:53.039
then he just ramps it up more. This is one of This is the

737
00:57:53.039 --> 00:57:55.679
situation where the sequel. I'm like, you know what, the sequel is

738
00:57:55.800 --> 00:58:00.800
just as good as the original.
It's not better. It wouldn't be.

739
00:58:00.840 --> 00:58:04.199
I don't think it's better, but
yeah, it definitely feels it literally feels

740
00:58:04.239 --> 00:58:07.440
like they made this right after they
finished the first one. It's so incredibly

741
00:58:07.480 --> 00:58:14.639
seamless, and it's he I remember
reading he was asked consistently and continually when

742
00:58:14.639 --> 00:58:16.440
are you gonna make a sequel to
The Incredibles. Yeah, I'm waiting for

743
00:58:16.480 --> 00:58:21.599
a story. He waited and he's
a patient, and you can there's gaps.

744
00:58:21.639 --> 00:58:25.199
There's big gaps between his films because
he's waiting to make something he wants

745
00:58:25.199 --> 00:58:30.679
to make. And uh, and
when we finally got the sequel, I'm

746
00:58:30.719 --> 00:58:32.960
glad we waited because it's it's great. You know, it's a lot of

747
00:58:32.960 --> 00:58:37.559
fun. No, no, mockey, I'm cool. I'm cool with that

748
00:58:37.599 --> 00:58:40.480
though, because I mean, it
was only five years ago. It's not

749
00:58:40.639 --> 00:58:45.679
like he's been sitting on it for
a decade. So if he's just like,

750
00:58:45.679 --> 00:58:49.719
if his main contention is you'll get
it when the story breaks, then

751
00:58:50.079 --> 00:58:52.719
I'm all for it because I appreciate
the fact that he's not just going to

752
00:58:52.800 --> 00:58:54.880
churn him out, you know,
year after year, just to just to

753
00:58:54.880 --> 00:59:00.440
make a buck. Yeah, I
totally agree. I can't wait for Sitibles

754
00:59:00.440 --> 00:59:02.639
three. I assume that it's going
to happen because over ten years from now,

755
00:59:02.920 --> 00:59:07.440
we don't tend to get just you
know, two movie franchises. But

756
00:59:08.400 --> 00:59:13.679
you know, it's it's about the
family more than anything, right, And

757
00:59:13.760 --> 00:59:16.920
I have a feeling that there's that
moment that we need to wait for where

758
00:59:16.920 --> 00:59:23.480
it's like that next milestone in a
family's life would be great for that kind

759
00:59:23.519 --> 00:59:28.159
of that kind of movie and turning
up you know what would be built as

760
00:59:28.159 --> 00:59:32.559
a superhero movie. The in the
movie is brilliant and I just hope there's

761
00:59:32.559 --> 00:59:37.920
another one coming out. Well,
let's hope for it. Currently, IMDb

762
00:59:38.320 --> 00:59:45.360
lists his long gest ending projects nineteen
oh six and Raygun as in development.

763
00:59:46.199 --> 00:59:52.039
Difficult to know if we're ever going
to see those, But I've got I

764
00:59:52.280 --> 00:59:53.880
know what I'd like to see him
do. But before I before I drop

765
00:59:53.960 --> 01:00:00.199
that on you, Dayton, if
Brad Bird is going to do any film

766
01:00:00.559 --> 01:00:01.800
that you want, what is it
going to be? Is he is?

767
01:00:01.639 --> 01:00:04.639
He? Is it animated? Is
live action? What do you What do

768
01:00:04.679 --> 01:00:07.280
you got for Brad Bird? Uh? Honestly, well, I kind of

769
01:00:07.280 --> 01:00:10.400
alluded to it earlier. I want
him to I want to see his Star

770
01:00:10.400 --> 01:00:15.320
Wars movie. I want them to
either say, like tap into some of

771
01:00:15.360 --> 01:00:19.559
the old characters, like I think
it'd be fun to see him do something

772
01:00:19.559 --> 01:00:23.440
with like Dash Rednar from Red Dar
from the Shadows of the Empire, Shadows

773
01:00:23.519 --> 01:00:27.320
the Empire, right, Yeah,
yeah, either take that kind of get

774
01:00:27.320 --> 01:00:30.559
a whole story around him, or
maybe just have him create a whole story

775
01:00:30.559 --> 01:00:36.440
on his own. He does He
does best when he has the story idea

776
01:00:36.440 --> 01:00:38.280
and he can kind of craft it
himself. I mean, yeah, uh,

777
01:00:38.400 --> 01:00:42.920
the arm Giant was based on original
material, but he added characters.

778
01:00:42.920 --> 01:00:45.639
He kind of changed, you know, some of the story and the Incredibles

779
01:00:45.760 --> 01:00:51.840
is all his. And he does
better if he has a lot more control.

780
01:00:51.880 --> 01:00:54.880
And I would love to spend time
in his Star Wars universe. So

781
01:00:55.159 --> 01:00:59.920
that's what I really want to see. Dating the day we get Brad Bird

782
01:01:00.400 --> 01:01:04.119
dash Rendhar film, I will buy
the tickets if you'll buy the popcorn.

783
01:01:04.599 --> 01:01:07.280
That's great, that's a great choice. Scott. Two follow up questions to

784
01:01:07.360 --> 01:01:15.559
that, though, yep, okay, live action or animated. Actually I

785
01:01:15.719 --> 01:01:20.840
do want live action. Yeah,
I really gotta be live action. And

786
01:01:21.000 --> 01:01:24.599
is he going to team up with
Dave Filoni? No, because I want

787
01:01:24.599 --> 01:01:30.760
Flony or Fiber to do their own
films. Okay, Scott, I will

788
01:01:30.800 --> 01:01:37.039
help you out by saying Felony can
executive produce. Mm hmmm, provided we

789
01:01:37.079 --> 01:01:39.599
have Kathleen Kennedy locked in a closet
somewhere so she can't screw it up.

790
01:01:42.360 --> 01:01:47.840
Scott, what do you what do
you want from brad Bird? I would

791
01:01:47.840 --> 01:01:59.199
be fascinated to see what he would
do with uh animated horror. Interesting the

792
01:01:59.239 --> 01:02:04.039
sampling of what we got with the
kind of the pulp cereal that Hogarth is

793
01:02:04.079 --> 01:02:08.400
watching in his room, and I'm
trying to think of you know, what

794
01:02:08.480 --> 01:02:15.719
I rely on from brad Bird is
original, stylistic, iconic. Right,

795
01:02:16.920 --> 01:02:24.760
if we could get something that is
family approachable but still with a horror bend

796
01:02:24.960 --> 01:02:30.519
to it in animation, possibly even
in black and white, I think that'd

797
01:02:30.519 --> 01:02:34.760
be fascinating to see. Now.
I know that he's been working on Will

798
01:02:34.760 --> 01:02:37.119
Eisner's The Spirit, or he had
been working on it, and I've seen,

799
01:02:37.159 --> 01:02:40.159
you know, rough animations of that. I think that kind of thing

800
01:02:40.199 --> 01:02:45.119
would be fascinating. But I also
want to see something totally original that just

801
01:02:45.199 --> 01:02:51.440
taps into a certain iconic kind of
genre. All right, well, I'm

802
01:02:51.440 --> 01:02:55.880
gonta see if I can't get your
money with this one. I want to

803
01:02:55.880 --> 01:03:02.559
see him do a live action follow
up to The Iron Giant. It's going

804
01:03:02.639 --> 01:03:08.320
to take place in the late sixties
early seventies. We have an adult Hogarth

805
01:03:08.400 --> 01:03:14.719
played by Jack Quaid, who reunites
with the assembled Giant during the height of

806
01:03:14.719 --> 01:03:20.679
the Vietnam War. Give us a
rogue government agency run by an Aaron Eckhart

807
01:03:20.800 --> 01:03:23.960
or a Josh Brolin type who's working
to weaponize the Giant, and you can

808
01:03:24.000 --> 01:03:30.239
bring back age appropriate Jennifer Anderson and
Harry Connot Junior to reprise their roles,

809
01:03:30.119 --> 01:03:35.440
and the kicker would be obviously,
we're gonna get some flashbacks to fifty seven

810
01:03:35.679 --> 01:03:39.679
when he first meets a Giant,
and I'm sticking, there's gonna be animated,

811
01:03:42.559 --> 01:03:49.159
little mash up there, how's that
grab you? Scott? I love

812
01:03:49.280 --> 01:03:52.039
the concept, but in my heart, I don't want to ever see a

813
01:03:52.079 --> 01:03:57.239
sequel to this movie. I wanted
to stand alone and be celebrated for what

814
01:03:57.360 --> 01:04:00.920
it is, and they need to
just re release it. Your idea is

815
01:04:01.239 --> 01:04:08.480
fantastic as far as casting, absolutely
having in the time period of Vietnam War.

816
01:04:09.159 --> 01:04:14.800
Absolutely thematically thinking about what that would
bring back totally, especially because there's

817
01:04:14.840 --> 01:04:19.039
the possibilities that we would learn more
about the Giant himself. Right, Yeah,

818
01:04:19.039 --> 01:04:21.679
I'm sure there would be a little
bit more backstory, Like I was

819
01:04:21.679 --> 01:04:27.639
mentioning the Giant's dream and other deleted
scene they put back in the signature you

820
01:04:27.679 --> 01:04:30.840
see a little flashes of you know, what was happening on his planet?

821
01:04:30.880 --> 01:04:36.159
What was his kind of species so
to speak? Used for it would be

822
01:04:36.159 --> 01:04:41.000
interesting, But my heart just says, no sequel. Ever, Well,

823
01:04:41.000 --> 01:04:44.199
then you don't get to go when
we see it. That's right. No

824
01:04:44.280 --> 01:04:48.320
popcorn for me, no popcorn for
Scott Hoffman. Listen, I think it's

825
01:04:48.559 --> 01:04:55.960
obvious we all recommend seeing this film. The Blu Ray Signature edition is a

826
01:04:56.039 --> 01:04:58.320
mustaf or any fan of the film. Am I right in saying that,

827
01:04:58.320 --> 01:05:01.039
guys, because I've got my copy? Absolutely? I mean, like Dane,

828
01:05:01.079 --> 01:05:05.800
you mentioned Mondo, look at that
gorgeous box set. Look at that

829
01:05:05.840 --> 01:05:10.639
thing. Yes, yes, it
has eight by tens of all the movie

830
01:05:10.639 --> 01:05:14.800
posters in there too. Yeah,
what's your number, Daighten? It is

831
01:05:15.000 --> 01:05:19.480
two thousand and nine eighty eight out
of fifteen hundred. Dang it, I'm

832
01:05:19.559 --> 01:05:24.760
in like the mid five thousands.
Yeah, it's got such a great sampling.

833
01:05:24.760 --> 01:05:28.360
Aside from the features that you get
on it, which are unmissible,

834
01:05:28.719 --> 01:05:33.599
it's beautifully presented. There's a great
book that's included, the little posters that

835
01:05:33.639 --> 01:05:39.079
you get, it's it's just gorgeous. The documentaries on it, the behind

836
01:05:39.079 --> 01:05:43.559
the scenes stuff the audio commentary by
Brad Bird. It's one of these things

837
01:05:43.559 --> 01:05:45.079
you're you're gonna like every time I
sit down, I'm like, you know

838
01:05:45.119 --> 01:05:47.960
what, I want to watch it, but I don't, So I'm going

839
01:05:48.000 --> 01:05:51.000
to watch the documentary. I'm going
to watch the audio contrary. You know,

840
01:05:51.079 --> 01:05:56.159
there's always there's so much more to
dig into with this when you have

841
01:05:56.280 --> 01:06:02.119
this, this particular edition. But
a missunity, a missed opportunity by both

842
01:06:02.199 --> 01:06:06.719
Puffs and Kleenex to not include a
little sample packet tissues in there, because

843
01:06:06.719 --> 01:06:11.239
I tell you what, man,
I cannot watch this movie without weeping,

844
01:06:11.719 --> 01:06:15.639
not just tearing up, like weeping. Oh yeah, And it's funny that

845
01:06:15.679 --> 01:06:19.599
you mentioned that because in the fabulous
TV show Ted Lasso, there's an episode

846
01:06:19.760 --> 01:06:24.119
well yeah, they watched the movie
and he makes some comments like I gotta

847
01:06:24.119 --> 01:06:26.480
get back in there before I have
an entire football you know, team of

848
01:06:26.639 --> 01:06:29.760
crying in the locker room, you
know, because yeah, I cannot watch

849
01:06:29.760 --> 01:06:32.039
this movie without you know, becoming
a mess, you know. The last

850
01:06:32.719 --> 01:06:35.920
I mean, I can't even talk
about it because I will start crying on

851
01:06:35.960 --> 01:06:41.599
this. So this is I think
this is probably the only animated film I've

852
01:06:41.599 --> 01:06:45.920
ever watched that has brought me to
tears. I think, I think if

853
01:06:45.960 --> 01:06:48.880
you if you watch this and you
don't cry, you're you're probably made of

854
01:06:49.480 --> 01:06:51.880
You're probably made of iron, but
not the not the kind of iron that

855
01:06:53.079 --> 01:06:56.480
iron giants made out of, because
you're you know, you're definitely a robot,

856
01:06:56.679 --> 01:06:59.239
that's for sure. It's like the
Blade Runner test. They have to

857
01:06:59.239 --> 01:07:02.639
show this to you and if you
don't cry, then I know. Those

858
01:07:02.679 --> 01:07:08.639
of you that don't have the Mondo
Edition or the Signature series, it is

859
01:07:08.639 --> 01:07:13.079
currently streaming on Max. So for
those of you wanting to revisit it or

860
01:07:13.079 --> 01:07:16.440
see it for the first time,
we strongly recommend it. Dayton. I

861
01:07:16.480 --> 01:07:19.679
want to thank you for joining us. I knew you would have a lot

862
01:07:19.719 --> 01:07:25.800
to say about this, this incredible
film. But tell us what is next

863
01:07:26.079 --> 01:07:31.280
on docu Base seventy seven. Well, tomorrow we actually have our almost wrapping

864
01:07:31.400 --> 01:07:36.360
up, our episodes, our series
on nineteen seventy six albums. Tomorrow we

865
01:07:36.440 --> 01:07:42.639
have a day at Races from Queen
and then the week after that we have

866
01:07:42.719 --> 01:07:46.559
Tom Petty and the Heartbreaker's debut album. So that's our November wrapping up and

867
01:07:46.920 --> 01:07:49.440
yeah, it's that was a fun
series. And I'm glad we got to

868
01:07:49.440 --> 01:07:53.679
do it because it actually got to
listen to quite a few of those albums

869
01:07:53.719 --> 01:07:57.719
for the first time all the way
through. So I have absolutely enjoyed your

870
01:07:57.760 --> 01:08:02.199
nineteen seventy six series. I feel
like it's been an incredible companion to our

871
01:08:02.360 --> 01:08:05.920
nineteen seventy six series. You know, we're given, we're given listeners,

872
01:08:05.960 --> 01:08:10.880
the movies, you're giving them,
the music. Hate that you're wrapping it

873
01:08:10.960 --> 01:08:13.960
up so soon because we've got I
think like five or six episodes left.

874
01:08:14.960 --> 01:08:17.039
Might have to start a letter writing
campaign, maybe get you to do a

875
01:08:17.039 --> 01:08:20.159
couple more, just just just to
run it, run it, let it

876
01:08:20.199 --> 01:08:24.560
run its course so we can we
can end them both series together. But

877
01:08:25.520 --> 01:08:30.119
definitely looking forward to what you got
for us, Scott, Uh, We've

878
01:08:30.119 --> 01:08:34.840
got We've got this Star Trek limited
series that you've been you've been running for

879
01:08:34.920 --> 01:08:39.560
us. Tell us about Drawn into
Lower Decks. Yeah, I mean speaking

880
01:08:39.600 --> 01:08:46.039
of groundbreaking animation story with a ton
of heart. Drawn into Lower Decks talks

881
01:08:46.039 --> 01:08:53.640
about the newest venturing into Star Trek
animated world. Every week we talk about

882
01:08:53.640 --> 01:08:55.600
the latest episode to set you up
for the new and now. It's a

883
01:08:55.600 --> 01:09:00.199
great way to dive in. We
just had a fantastic conversation with director Brandan

884
01:09:00.239 --> 01:09:05.720
Williams as we're wrapping up the season. So you haven't gotten into it if

885
01:09:05.760 --> 01:09:09.560
you're a lifelong fan, well lifelong, it's been on for four seasons.

886
01:09:09.600 --> 01:09:11.880
If you're a big fan, or
if you've never seen it before, it's

887
01:09:11.920 --> 01:09:15.840
a great way to dive into Star
Trek in one of the best series they

888
01:09:15.840 --> 01:09:18.600
have to offer. We're also getting
ready with one of the co hosts of

889
01:09:18.640 --> 01:09:23.159
that series, David Burns, coming
back and talk to me at a Film

890
01:09:23.199 --> 01:09:26.920
at forty five. This year we're
diving into nineteen seventy nine. I can't

891
01:09:26.920 --> 01:09:32.399
wait to start diving into that.
Looking forward to that as well. Listeners.

892
01:09:32.680 --> 01:09:36.319
As always, we thank you for
checking us out. Let us know

893
01:09:36.359 --> 01:09:41.439
what you think of the Iron Giant. Reach out to us at www dot

894
01:09:41.479 --> 01:09:45.640
afilmbyopodcast dot com. You can also
find us on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter

895
01:09:45.880 --> 01:09:51.479
at a Film by a Podcast.
Next week, we're getting dirty with Clint

896
01:09:51.479 --> 01:09:59.640
Easwoods San Francisco detective Harry Callahan when
our limited series nineteen seventy six covers the

897
01:09:59.800 --> 01:10:10.680
four Sir. Until next time,
I got a rocket in my pocket and

898
01:10:10.800 --> 01:10:16.760
a roll in my walk Oh family, don't fuss me with the North Unicne.

899
01:10:19.680 --> 01:10:24.159
There ain't nothing you can tell me
about already know. I got a

900
01:10:24.239 --> 01:10:30.319
rocket in my pocket and a ready
go A let go some place who we

901
01:10:30.399 --> 01:10:34.159
can rock with me? I got
a rocket in my pocket. In refusally