May 25, 2026

Bryan Singer - Superman Returns

Bryan Singer - Superman Returns

Depp & Marsden Month continues! Jeff welcomes John Reid of the https://www.30podcast.com/ to the show for a discussion about their shared love for Superman in this super-sized episode that looks at Bryan Singer's 2006 effort that brought their...

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Season 7
Depp & Marsden Month continues!


Jeff welcomes John Reid of the 30something Movie Podcast to the show for a discussion about their shared love for Superman in this super-sized episode that looks at Bryan Singer's 2006 effort that brought their favorite superhero back to movie theaters, Superman Returns!

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It's a bird, it's a plane.

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It's a film by Brian Singer, his two thousand and

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six effort to bring the Man of Steel back to

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the big screen.

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Superman Returns.

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Bobby used to say that you were put here for reasons,

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so you.

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Pull in last week because he's still stands for truth, justice,

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all that stuff.

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No, look, it's you wanted to see me.

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Hello everybody, I'm Jeff Johnson and this is a Film

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by podcast and we have been discussing and celebrating the

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films of two thousand and one and two thousand and six,

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the twentieth fifth anniversaries, the twentieth anniversaries.

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As it were. I knew we decided to do this.

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There was no way I was going to skip out

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on today's film.

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Uh, Superman Returns.

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Those of you, if you've followed the show at all

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over the years, you know I am a huge Superman

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fan and I could not think of anyone better to

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have a conversation with today than someone who I have

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to believe shares my fandom.

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Definitely, I would.

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I would say has an expert level knowledge on the

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Man of Steel. I'm talking about none other than John

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Reid of the thirty something Movie Podcast. It has been

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a while, my friend, haven't seen you for a few.

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Years, but I was here. I hear you every week. Yeah,

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and uh, it's great to see you again. How you

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how you been.

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Yeah, it's a I think I think since our our

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time at Shirleyfest a little while back, that was that

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was the last time we saw each other. But yeah,

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it's it's been a roller coaster of a couple of years.

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We'll put it that way. It's okay.

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Yeah, well, John, all great superheroes have an interesting origin story.

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And I know we share a lot of listeners, but

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for some of the film by listeners that maybe don't

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know about the thirty something movie podcast, can you give

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us that show's origin?

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Yeah, absolutely so, thirty seventing podcasts. We most of us

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are a bunch of teachers. In fact, we worked in

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the same building together and we would sit around during

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our lunch period and we would talk movies. We all

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had the same lunch. We'd sit around, we talk and

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I had gotten into listening to podcasts, and this is

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like the first go around for podcasts when they first

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when they were still pretty niche and I had been

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listening to some and I was like, you know what,

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I really want to try this out. I had gone

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to school originally for journalism instead of education, and I

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always loved the idea. I was like, well, I love

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newspaper journalism, but maybe I want to dabble a little

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bit in radio. That might be kind of fun. And

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then eventually I switched over to education and that kind

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of got set off to the side. And then when

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I found out, well, you can do this thing relatively

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for free, and you can do whatever show you want,

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and it's called a podcast. So my buddies and I

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was sitting around talking about movies. We were arguing one day,

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kind of arguing, we kind of came to the conclusion

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We're like, is nineteen eighty four the greatest year for movies?

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And we had we were having a little bit of

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a debate. And after that lunch period, I came back

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to the other guys and I said, Hey, guys, I've

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been wanting to do a podcast, and do you guys

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want to do it with me? Like, do you want? Like,

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we'll get together, we'll just talk movies. And their response

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to me was, I'll paraphrase to keep it a little

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family friendly. But their response to me was like in

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Jay and Silent, Bob stripe back his response to the

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heck is a podcast, And so we all got together.

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So we started in twenty fifteen. So we've been going

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this our eleventh year now, and our idea was, well,

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how do we keep this going and not run out

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of ideas? And we said, well, at the moment, we're

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looking back on movies that are about thirty years old.

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So we figured, well, then let's do that. Let's every year,

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let's look at movies that are hitting their thirtieth anniversary.

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So we started with eighty four eighty five and from

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there we've progressed onwards. So we're currently in nineteen ninety

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six right now.

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Ninety six, yeah, we I remember a couple of seasons

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ago we did a limited series called nineteen ninety six.

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I thought, we're a couple of years ahead of the

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thirty something movie podcast. So let's just get in and

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have a couple of these and get and then get

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out of their way, because I know they're they're gonna.

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Have some awesome stuff for us here in a few years.

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But you're not.

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That's not the only one though. I mean again, John,

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you are a huge fan of Superman. Yes, you got

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another project. You got like a like a side project

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as it were.

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Can we talk about that one?

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Yeah? Yeah, uh, don't tell my main squeeze this is

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my this is my side check podcast. Yeah. The other one,

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this is the podcast full of Kryptonite. And I had

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started that one. Dean Jason from the Sureley You Can

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Be Serious podcast. We all simultaneously we're talking to each other,

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realized we all loved the TV show Superman and Lois

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when it was getting started. We were excited by the

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idea of it coming out. And so before that show

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even came out, we had been looking at trailers, we

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had been looking at news that was coming out, and

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the three of us kind of got together and said,

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you want to do a podcast about this? I mean, we

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have one night a week maybe that we can do this.

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And so for the first I would say, at least

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the first couple of seasons, it was heavily. It was myself,

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d it was Jason, and then for the last couple

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of seasons, Dan Jason fell off a little. They were,

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I mean, obviously their podcast is ramping up, and so

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they were getting busier with that, and so the last

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let's say season and a half, it was me and

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occasionally one of them, or we might have another guest

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pop in to help guest host with that. But that

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one was tracking the TV show Superman and Lois, and

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we did a few other special episodes here and there

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where we just did kind of general Superman stuff too,

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or new projects that were coming out. And when that

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show came to an end, I was like, well, I

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want to keep this going because I love Superman and

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I would love to keep talking about Superman. So, like

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an idiot, I made a spreadsheet that had every other

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Superman TV show that had ever been created, and I said,

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you know, here's what I'm doing. I'm just gonna go

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through all of them. I'm gonna start with Smallville and

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I'm going to run through all ten seasons of Smallville.

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Then maybe I'll go back and do the Adventures of

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Superman with George Reeve, and then I'll do I don't know,

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maybe one of the cartoons, and then I'll do Lois

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and Clark something like that. I mean, I've got pretty

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much everything on physical media back here, so I'm like,

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I have them, so let's just run through and do

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them and I got through a few episodes of Smallville

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and life found a way and ended up there was

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ended up losing my job that I had had for

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a few years, and so that that put a little

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bit of a that put a little kryptonite in my crawl.

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And so from that point, I like Superman. I disappeared

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slightly for about a year or so from that one,

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but I have got plans for that one to come

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on back. So I may have a potential co host

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to come on with me for that one, and we

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may be we may be throwing the podcast full of

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kryptonite into the sun and letting it recharge, and hopefully

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we're going to come back and and dive into Smallville

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the first season of Smallville, hopefully this summer. That's fingers crossed.

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That's the plan.

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We we fans can rejoice and because if you're gonna

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just keep this thing going, there is no shortage of

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Superman media on television.

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And I know, I know we're gonna talk like when

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we do a little we're gonna have.

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A little Patreon bonus for our listeners, those that follow

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us on Patreon, and I know, I know you've got

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some recommendations for us later later in this hour. Yeah, absolutely,

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so John, real quick. I know we got to talk

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about Superman returns. I know we got to talk about

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Brian Singer. But but real quick, just your fandom with

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the Man of Steel, Like, can you tell me how

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how does it begin?

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You know, do you remember you remember how old you were?

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Do you remember what it was that that you saw

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or that you read.

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Or I don't remember exactly how old I was, because

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it was as far back as I can imagine, it

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was always there. My dad loved the Superman movies. I

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was born in eighty and so my dad loved the

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Christopher Reeve movies. We would constantly and he loved Superman too.

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Like he around our house the phrase, you know, kneel

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before ZOD or wrong again Zod or something. Whenever I,

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as a little kid, would do something and I would

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like try to challenge my dad on something, whether it

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was joking or not, he'd be like, wrong again, ZOD. So,

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I mean that was the kind of stuff that was

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just the oxygen of our house growing up. And so

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as far back as I can remember, you know, there

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was the you know, there was like the Ruby Spears cartoons,

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there was the Super friends. There was the Action figures,

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there was the Christopher Reeve movies. I think what really

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kind of you know, kickstarted it from a yeah, I

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like Superman into a I am now kind of obsessed

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with this and I want to consume everything that is

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possibly available on this topic. Was we were living we'd

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moved over to England and we were living in the

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UK and the American comics, you know, you can get

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him over there, but they're a little harder to come by.

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And so my dad went on a business trip back

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to the States and he brought back a couple of

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comics for me. He brought back Batman number four ninety nine,

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which is not too long after Batman's back had been

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broken in the Nightfall storyline and the new Azrael Batman

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had taken over as the new bat That's where Bain

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first showed up in the Batman comics. And the other

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comic he brought me was Superman number eighty one, and

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this was not too long. This is part of the

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return of Superman after he had been killed a few

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years before, and the episod the issue of this one

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is Superman is in this black and silver suit flying

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towards you on the cover of this comic, and I

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remember my dad bringing these to me and handing me one,

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and Batman has these weird metallic claws, and he hands

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me the Superman one, and Superman's in this black and

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silver suit, and I'm going, the heck happened Superman? What

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is going on here? And so I started reading it

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and then I just completely got consumed by the Then

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I went back and got the graphic novel for the

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Death of Superman, and kind of from that point on,

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We're off to the races. It was. From that point

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on it was okay, well, now I need to get

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every Superman comic that comes after this, and I mean,

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that's that's the nineties, so you're talking kind of almost

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prime time, you know, the peak of some of the

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Superman storytelling at that point. And so at that point

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I was just kind of whatever Superman, you know, to

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to paraphraser to quote one of my co hosts, Pat Cannagallo,

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more Superman, more better. So whatever came out, I needed

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to consume it.

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Well, let's consume a little bit of knowledge about Brian

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Singer John three things you may not know about him?

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And I got a quote about Superman from Brian Singer,

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so amazingly enough, he initially turns down the job to

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direct X Me not once, but three times, believing that

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comic books were unintelligent, never read a comic book. And

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then someone has the good sense to put a couple

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books in his hand. He reads them, he watches the

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X Men animated series, and then he has a complete

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change of heart and decides, Yep, this is good stuff.

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I'm gonna do it.

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series from nineteen sixty six. Keep in mind listeners that

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so it's there for you. And Singer a big fan

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that he is. He has a cameo in Star Trek Nemesis,

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playing one of the crewmen on the bridge of the

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Enterprise because it all comes back to Trek. So his

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childhood friend growing up none other than Ethan Hawke, and

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Singer has a couple famous cousins in the business. Uh, John,

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you're not in your head, and he guesses as to

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who these two famous cousins. Are you want to take

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a take a crack at it?

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The famous cousins, I don't know. I've heard that, but

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I don't know who they are.

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Well, it's all in the name, uh beast Masters. Mark

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Singer is one cousin.

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And uh that that hell Raiser from Beaumont, Uh Indiana.

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Uh Lori Singer from Footloose. Uh that's that's his other cousin.

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So oh that's awesome. No, I didn't know them.

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No. So when you ask him about the Superman character,

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Bryan Singer had this to say, quote, I identify with Superman.

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I am adopted, I am an only child, and I

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love the idea that he comes from another world, that

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he's the ultimate immigrant, he has all these extraordinary powers,

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and he has a righteousness about him.

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I dig that.

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I think we all identify with Superman, or at least

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you want to identify with Superman.

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So there's so much about the character before we even

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dive into the movie itself. Just the kind of character

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in general. There's so much about this character. And that's

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why I I know a lot of people kind of

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divide themselves up between Well, I'm a Superman person or

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think when it comes down to it, I absolutely lean

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more towards the Superman type of mentality. Batman's cool, but

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there's something about and maybe it's maybe it takes a

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special kind of nerd, but I think I'm much more

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of a Superman fan. I see much more of the

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optimism in Superman. Like Batman is always looking at everybody's angles,

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Superman is always looking at everybody's goodness, and Batman, I mean,

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Superman is I'm also a big fan of mister Rogers,

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Fred Rogers. I think if you're a Fred Rogers fan,

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you're also probably a Superman fan, because there's that same

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kind of optimism. There's that you know, you almost feel

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like like Superman when he rescues somebody or he helps

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somebody out. He's he almost feel like he could look

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at you and go, you know, I'm proud of you

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just the way you are. He's kind of like a superhero,

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Fred Rogers, We'll put it that way.

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I love that John Good good call. So I'm gonna

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I'm gonna challenge you. You know, we have gone away

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this season from the deep synopsis on what the film's

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all about. And I think, listen, I'm having a way

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better time this season because we.

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Are summing them up in exactly five words.

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So the game, John, all right, I'm gonna ask you

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what is Superman Returns all about? And you have to

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tell me using exactly five words. Now, if there are

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four words, if there are six words, if it is

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not exactly five words, then we might as well just

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throw a chain full of cryptonide around your neck and

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drop in the sewer.

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Because okay, and rightfully, so, yeah, okay, what do you

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got for us? John? H five words? And having been

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an English teacher, I'm going to assume that punctuation does

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not count as a word.

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It does not cont a word.

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Okay, all right, So the five words I'm gonna give you,

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I needed least two, maybe three question marks at the

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end of this.

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All right, what do you got?

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Okay, here's my five words synopsis spent the night with Superman.

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I'm giving it to you. Okay, I'm giving it to you.

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I'm giving it to you.

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Well, I will dive more into why I picked that

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in a little bit.

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Okay, all right, Well, because you have a follow up,

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because you can, you can, you can explain yourself, then

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I'm gonna allow that one. Okay, But so So Singer

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is filming X two x Men United, has this idea

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to bring Superman back to the big screen because he's

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been missing since the Quest for Peace. And John, let's

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you know you mentioned our good friends Jason and d

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shout out to the show You Can't Be Serious podcast,

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because I don't think you and I are in the

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same universe without those guys. They they you know, we

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find a common bond between those these guys. And you

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have been on their show talking Superman. Yeah, I have

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been on their show talking Superman. So and just recently,

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you know, last season we did one of our their

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famous what the heck Happened episodes and they we talked

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Superman return. So I'm gonna I'm gonna withstand. I'm gonna

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withhold certain things because I said I said my piece

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on their episode.

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So listeners, if you haven't already.

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Go back to the show you hit Me Serious podcast. Uh,

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check out check out check out all their episodes. But

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just know anything that's got Superman, if you're not hearing me,

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you're definitely hearing John Reid.

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With these guys and uh, it's an awesome show.

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But uh, absolutely, And before you move on too much,

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so I do want to say, yeah, when when you

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did the episode with them where you interviewed them about

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their podcast, I love that. That was probably one of

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my favorite that was so well done by all of

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you guys.

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Well think I appreciate that.

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I uh, I just you know, because yeah, we're friends,

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but I'm also a fan. I love their show, and

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I just thought, man, it'd be cool to to ask

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some questions from a fans point of view, you know,

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a listener's point of view, because I bet, I bet,

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I'm not alone.

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And you know, it was. It was a great time.

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I was. I was.

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I was very happy that they opened themselves up to

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that kind of questioning and we're very candid and we

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had a great time.

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And I do owe them. They said they're coming for me.

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They're like, well, we're gonna interview you. I was like, Okay,

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well I'm not the film by podcast is not as

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big as surely, but I'll accept that invitation.

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But Singer extends the invitation to his X Men and

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X two producer Lauren Shuler Donner about this idea. What

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if Superman was just missing for five years and then

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he came back, and he also shares it with her husband,

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Richard Donner, and the two of them just give him

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nothing but positive feedback. This is the way to go,

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I do you Let's just let's just have that conversation

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right now. I mean, he's retroact, like he's redcounting the

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whole series, like he's ignoring Superman three, Superman four.

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How do you feel about that? John?

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You know I miss Gus Gorman. Yeah, part of the

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part of me thinks it's okay. I mean, growing up

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as a kid, I loved I know how messy three

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and four are, and I loved Superman three, and I

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watched Superman four, and so do I miss those now

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that they're considered gone. Yeah, a little bit. But you know,

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knowing especially for especially Quest for a Peace, I think,

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knowing how Christopher Reeve even felt about that movie, I'm

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kind of fine letting that one go. Even though I

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like to be a completist and have all my copies

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of the movies and enjoy all the movies, I'm okay

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letting that one go. Three is its own special little

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mess in the middle of it all. Richard Pryor is hilarious.

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I love him in that movie. And there's so many

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we don't get the Clark and Superman Junkyard fight without

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Superman three, so I know. So the fact that that

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is now not existent in this universe, I'm a little

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sad for that, but I am I'm okay. I'm okay

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with them using this. There's there's a few little things

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I'm not okay with, but I'm okay with them kind

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of using this as a Let's just start from the

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two strongest entries, you know, the ones that Donner filmed

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back to back. Uh, let's start from there, and let's

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let's take the story on from that. I'm fine with.

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That, all right, Well, we're going to take the story

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on after we take a quick break.

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When we return, John Reid and I will talk about

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the cast. Welcome back.

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I've got John Reid from the thirty something Movie podcast

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with me. We were talking about two thousand and six

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Superman returns, and I want to talk about Brandon Ralph

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playing Clark Kent and Superman. John, as you already know,

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Jim cavisl was lobbying hard intensil Town, Yeah to get

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this role and singer. You know, it's after the Passion

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of the Christ. Singers like he's just too famous. I

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can't we can't do it. And singer is insistent on

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an unknown actor.

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Yeah, I mean yeah, Jim Cavizel I know, I know

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how much Donner likes to do the Christ's imagery with Superman,

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So I know Jim cavizl was was banking on that.

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He's like, well, what more could they want? It's super Jesus, Like,

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of course, of course they're going to take me.

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Yeah. So among you know, like singers like, no, it's

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got to be an unknown. We're going unknown. That's the

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only way we're.

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Going to do it.

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Among those at the time unknown actors that audition and

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and and lose out. Jhon Ham, who I always thought, man,

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give me like a Kingdom, come Superman.

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That's exactly John even now, I would take him even now, Oh.

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Heck yeah, even now. Chris Pratt, who would.

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Find uh that one I didn't know find his place

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as star Lord. Yeah, he's up for it. This one

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surprised the heck out of me. Glenn Howardton auditioned, Wow, No,

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I didn't know that. Dennis Reynolds from it's always sunny

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in Philadelphia. Yeah, and then uh, just a little too

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soon because he ultimately does take the role.

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Henry Cavill, Yeah, is in there.

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I always thought. One one of my favorite movies is

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The Count of Monte Cristo from two thousand and two.

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Oh yeah, and Henry Cavell is a young you know,

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he's a young kid in that one. He's probably playing

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about a I don't know, maybe about a fifteen sixteen

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year old in that one. But I remember watching that

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movie and going, and this is four years before Superman returns.

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I'm watching that movie. I'm going, that kid's face, that

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kid's face just looks like a Superman like that, Hire

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him right away.

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The first time I remember seeing Cavell was in a

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film he did called Immortals. Yes, and even then, like

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he I mean, he had he was chiseled, he didn't

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have necessarily the bull, but you're right, that face is like, man,

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they should get this guy to play Superman at some point.

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Because he was in he was in that Count of

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Money Cristo, and then he was in The Tutors too.

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I think, yeah, yeah, tutors Y, Yeah, John, Is there

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an alternate universe where singer likes Henry Cavill, casts him,

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and then we maybe get, like all three or four movies,

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there's no Snyder verse and we just have a Henry

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Cavill superman.

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I think there's a possibility. I I'm going to lean

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towards maybe the alternate universe wouldn't be too different, because

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I don't know, at least for me, and at least

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I don't know the circles that that I tend to

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talk in. I don't know that Brandon Routh is the

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reason why people have issues with the movie. I think

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he's Yeah. I mean, I think he's a great successor

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to Christopher Reeve. I mean he he pulls this Everything

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they've asked him to do, he pulls off masterfully in

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this movie. I think. I think the weaknesses are in

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other parts of the movie. So I don't know if

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even having a Henry Cavill or somebody like that. I

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don't know that this movie gets its sequels because I

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don't think it's the actor that's I don't think the

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answer it's the actor that's bringing it down.

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Well, it's definitely not Ralph that's bringing it down. Interestingly enough,

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he auditions and gets turned down, but it's not for

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this movie.

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It's it's for Smallville. He's up for Clark Kenton Smallville.

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00:23:25.079 --> 00:23:28.000
He gets turned down, and then it's Brian Singer who

470
00:23:28.559 --> 00:23:34.079
finds him working at Lucky Strike Bowling in Hollywood and

471
00:23:34.240 --> 00:23:40.440
sees the the Christopher Reeve resemblance. The role is pretty

472
00:23:40.519 --> 00:23:45.880
much his after Reeve's widow Dana also comments about the

473
00:23:45.880 --> 00:23:46.799
striking resemblance.

474
00:23:46.839 --> 00:23:50.799
And I mean the guy just looks he's.

475
00:23:50.839 --> 00:23:53.559
Christopher Reeve, you know. I mean he embodies the Clark

476
00:23:53.640 --> 00:23:58.960
Kent performance in this movie like like no other I could.

477
00:23:58.960 --> 00:24:02.960
I think packs on twenty pounds of muscle to fill

478
00:24:03.000 --> 00:24:03.480
the suit out.

479
00:24:03.720 --> 00:24:04.759
I think he looks fantastic.

480
00:24:04.759 --> 00:24:08.200
Your thoughts, John on how he looks in the suit

481
00:24:08.279 --> 00:24:10.319
and the suit in general, because every time we get

482
00:24:10.359 --> 00:24:12.480
a new movie, we're we're gonna tweak the suit a

483
00:24:12.519 --> 00:24:12.839
little bit.

484
00:24:13.119 --> 00:24:15.359
What did you think of this suit? Are you a fan?

485
00:24:15.720 --> 00:24:17.880
I love this suit, and I know people had issues

486
00:24:17.880 --> 00:24:19.799
with the coloring of the suit. I didn't have issues

487
00:24:19.880 --> 00:24:22.039
with the color and the suit. I think at this point,

488
00:24:22.079 --> 00:24:24.759
you're in a different era of comic book movies. You've

489
00:24:24.759 --> 00:24:26.759
still got X Men that don't have the X Men

490
00:24:26.839 --> 00:24:30.279
comic book uniforms and so doing a little bit of

491
00:24:30.279 --> 00:24:32.960
a different coloring on it. The whole color palette of

492
00:24:33.000 --> 00:24:36.359
this movie is different than the Donner movies anyway. So

493
00:24:36.519 --> 00:24:39.759
I mean, I think it just it fits the bright

494
00:24:40.160 --> 00:24:43.720
Christopher Reeves Superman suit does not fit in this universe,

495
00:24:43.839 --> 00:24:45.960
and so I think the updating of this I think

496
00:24:46.000 --> 00:24:47.799
they did a great job with it. I think he

497
00:24:47.839 --> 00:24:50.720
looks amazing in it, you know, like you said, he's

498
00:24:50.960 --> 00:24:54.720
very much He could practically be a clone of Christopher Reeve.

499
00:24:55.960 --> 00:24:59.839
They actually end up reusing this suit in the series

500
00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:04.839
Analey of Smallville as well. They never actually Tom Welling

501
00:25:04.880 --> 00:25:07.200
never actually wanted to fully put the suit on, so

502
00:25:07.519 --> 00:25:10.079
you don't actually see Tom Welling fully wearing it. But

503
00:25:10.720 --> 00:25:12.440
it was fun to see that kind of make a

504
00:25:12.480 --> 00:25:15.079
reappearance later on at the end of Smallville. I'm like,

505
00:25:15.240 --> 00:25:18.079
that's the return suit. That's awesome, that's amazing. I love it.

506
00:25:18.920 --> 00:25:22.720
John controversial topic amongst Superman fans.

507
00:25:23.160 --> 00:25:25.799
I don't know if you want to take a.

508
00:25:27.279 --> 00:25:30.319
Stand or you know, not to put you on the spot,

509
00:25:30.359 --> 00:25:38.000
but Superman on TV, on film trunks or no trunks.

510
00:25:38.200 --> 00:25:41.079
You know, I've I've gone back and forth on this

511
00:25:41.359 --> 00:25:44.880
and I've I've been okay with both, depending on the design,

512
00:25:44.920 --> 00:25:47.400
I've been okay with both. I think where I land

513
00:25:47.759 --> 00:25:51.279
now at this point in my life is it's Superman

514
00:25:51.319 --> 00:25:54.079
with the trunks, because I think part of the reason.

515
00:25:54.119 --> 00:25:58.000
I don't remember where I read this, but it's again

516
00:25:58.119 --> 00:26:00.359
not to compare Superman Batman, but the idea. The idea

517
00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:02.519
of Batman is he is there to scare people. He's

518
00:26:02.519 --> 00:26:04.920
there to strike fear in the hearts of criminals because

519
00:26:04.960 --> 00:26:09.640
they are a fearful and cowardly lot. But Superman is

520
00:26:09.680 --> 00:26:13.240
there to put people at ease. And I forget where

521
00:26:13.279 --> 00:26:17.039
I read this, but somebody said that Superman's reason for

522
00:26:17.079 --> 00:26:19.799
wearing these trunks is he's kind of making him look

523
00:26:19.880 --> 00:26:22.039
like he's making himself look like one of the old

524
00:26:22.079 --> 00:26:24.680
circus strong men. And the idea of the trunks is

525
00:26:25.000 --> 00:26:27.359
I'm gonna put you at ease because maybe I do

526
00:26:27.400 --> 00:26:30.160
look a little ridiculous, but that's kind of part of it.

527
00:26:30.160 --> 00:26:31.920
It's so that you're not afraid of me. I am.

528
00:26:32.000 --> 00:26:34.559
I have these godlike powers, but I'm going to do

529
00:26:34.680 --> 00:26:37.279
some stuff so that when you look at me, you're

530
00:26:37.319 --> 00:26:41.039
not necessarily thinking godlike. You might be thinking why are

531
00:26:41.079 --> 00:26:43.680
his under ruths on the outside. But I'm gonna put

532
00:26:43.720 --> 00:26:45.640
you at ease by you know, maybe maybe throwing you

533
00:26:45.680 --> 00:26:49.759
off just a little bit. But I'm not this dark, scary, brooding,

534
00:26:50.000 --> 00:26:50.799
fearful character.

535
00:26:51.759 --> 00:26:52.920
I am myself.

536
00:26:53.000 --> 00:26:57.599
I am pro trunks only because when we see the

537
00:26:57.640 --> 00:27:01.559
heroes without the trunks, it's kind of ret conning our childhood.

538
00:27:01.599 --> 00:27:05.440
John you mentioned under rus and you know I wore

539
00:27:05.480 --> 00:27:08.440
the Superman under rus and proudly, and uh, you know

540
00:27:08.559 --> 00:27:10.200
I don't I don't want that ret con dowt a

541
00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:12.240
out of the out of the timeline.

542
00:27:12.279 --> 00:27:13.200
So yes, absolutely.

543
00:27:14.200 --> 00:27:19.559
Kate Bosworth playing Lois Lane, she uh she beats out

544
00:27:20.279 --> 00:27:23.160
a then unknown Amy Adams.

545
00:27:24.599 --> 00:27:24.920
Again.

546
00:27:25.440 --> 00:27:27.440
You know we we we had these people lined up.

547
00:27:27.640 --> 00:27:33.319
Uh Initially, Singer convinces Kevin space He's convinced by Kevin Spacey.

548
00:27:33.880 --> 00:27:36.559
Kate Bosworth is the way to go. They did that movie, the.

549
00:27:36.519 --> 00:27:40.079
Bobby Fisher movie, not Bobby Fisher, is it Bobby Bobby

550
00:27:40.079 --> 00:27:42.799
Bobby Darren Bobby Fisher is the chess player.

551
00:27:42.839 --> 00:27:43.680
Yeah, the under the Sea.

552
00:27:43.759 --> 00:27:44.759
I think something like that.

553
00:27:44.960 --> 00:27:48.480
Yea, Spacey I think Spacey is like the he's he's

554
00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:51.519
the star, He's got the star power at this point,

555
00:27:51.599 --> 00:27:54.559
and he he kind of convinces Space or singer and

556
00:27:54.720 --> 00:27:58.799
singers like, Okay, I've I've I've made my my thoughts clear,

557
00:27:59.039 --> 00:28:01.720
my my viewpoint on Kate and on the show that

558
00:28:01.720 --> 00:28:05.079
you can't be serious episode for Superman returns, What's What's

559
00:28:05.279 --> 00:28:07.480
What's your take on her performance as Lois Lane.

560
00:28:08.240 --> 00:28:10.559
She's probably one of my least favorite Lois Lanes. She's

561
00:28:10.599 --> 00:28:13.160
a little too subdued for me. She's not the she

562
00:28:13.319 --> 00:28:17.039
has moments where she's the I want. I want my

563
00:28:17.079 --> 00:28:22.000
Lois Lane to be a tough as nails firecracker. Just

564
00:28:22.680 --> 00:28:25.000
she can hold her own with whoever she's in the

565
00:28:25.079 --> 00:28:28.160
room with. Frankly, she she holds her own with Superman.

566
00:28:28.400 --> 00:28:30.480
So if you're going to stand up to this godlike figure,

567
00:28:31.119 --> 00:28:34.559
I picture a Lois Lane as somebody who could walk

568
00:28:34.599 --> 00:28:37.640
in and interview Batman and not be intimidated. In fact,

569
00:28:37.839 --> 00:28:40.839
there is to pull in a comic book story. There

570
00:28:40.880 --> 00:28:43.200
was a comic book story a few years ago where

571
00:28:43.400 --> 00:28:47.920
Batman comes to it. It's Superman Lois and they have

572
00:28:47.960 --> 00:28:50.680
their son, Jonathan Kent at that point in the comics,

573
00:28:51.039 --> 00:28:53.240
and there's a point where I think somebody knocks at

574
00:28:53.240 --> 00:28:55.400
the door, and Jonathan Kent goes to answer it and

575
00:28:55.440 --> 00:28:57.839
it's Batman and he makes a comment. Then he goes,

576
00:28:58.240 --> 00:29:01.880
wait a minute. Batman knocks at the door, and Batman

577
00:29:02.000 --> 00:29:05.200
very quietly says, or Lois I think quietly says something

578
00:29:05.240 --> 00:29:08.400
like yep, he tried not knocking once and he knows

579
00:29:08.440 --> 00:29:12.839
better now. Oh okay, And so I'm like, okay, that

580
00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:15.359
is the lowest Lane I want. I want to Lois Lane,

581
00:29:15.519 --> 00:29:17.880
who can stand in a room with the rest of

582
00:29:17.920 --> 00:29:19.880
the Justice League, could stand up to any of these

583
00:29:19.880 --> 00:29:23.359
other people and not be intimidated at all. There are little,

584
00:29:23.400 --> 00:29:26.039
teeny tiny slight moments of this. When she's on the

585
00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:29.440
yacht with Lex Luthor. You know, she's holding Jason, She's

586
00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:31.319
on the yacht. He's right up in her face. He's

587
00:29:31.319 --> 00:29:34.400
screaming at her. She's like, she's got these little snide

588
00:29:34.400 --> 00:29:37.599
comments for him, a little back and forth that I like.

589
00:29:37.799 --> 00:29:40.079
But I needed that to be her in the entire movie.

590
00:29:40.480 --> 00:29:42.599
And there were just so many times in this movie

591
00:29:42.599 --> 00:29:46.039
where her is Lowis Lane. I'm not getting it because

592
00:29:46.279 --> 00:29:50.279
that's not Lois Lane. To me, is where she is

593
00:29:50.400 --> 00:29:54.880
because she has no fear and she will do whatever

594
00:29:54.920 --> 00:29:57.680
it takes. She can't spell worth anything, but she has

595
00:29:57.720 --> 00:29:59.319
no fear and she will do whatever it takes to

596
00:29:59.319 --> 00:30:02.039
get the story. I just I don't get that from

597
00:30:02.119 --> 00:30:03.359
Kate Bosworth.

598
00:30:03.599 --> 00:30:06.480
Now, I mean I get it in the writing. You

599
00:30:06.519 --> 00:30:09.200
know you mentioned here a terrible spelling. I love that

600
00:30:10.079 --> 00:30:13.039
Singer does such an incredible job with this script where

601
00:30:13.039 --> 00:30:16.200
he ties it directly to Superman one and Superman two,

602
00:30:16.759 --> 00:30:18.839
with some of those things, you know, her asking like.

603
00:30:18.759 --> 00:30:23.039
How do you spoke catastrophe? How many absent? None?

604
00:30:23.240 --> 00:30:23.440
Yeah?

605
00:30:24.480 --> 00:30:27.079
Yeah, I do like that. But I'm with you. I

606
00:30:27.240 --> 00:30:30.079
just she's not the right choice, you know.

607
00:30:30.279 --> 00:30:32.240
And I'm not saying she's not a talented actrual she is.

608
00:30:32.880 --> 00:30:34.400
I just don't think she's right for les Lane.

609
00:30:34.720 --> 00:30:35.119
Yeah.

610
00:30:35.680 --> 00:30:37.759
I do think Kevin Spacey was right for Lex Luthor.

611
00:30:37.799 --> 00:30:41.720
What do you think I do? My thoughts on this one.

612
00:30:41.799 --> 00:30:44.960
I wish here's where we might go into more detail

613
00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:46.720
on this a little bit later, But I kind of wish,

614
00:30:46.799 --> 00:30:49.480
for Kevin Spacey's sake that there had been a little

615
00:30:49.480 --> 00:30:53.960
bit less homaging to the Donner verse. I would love

616
00:30:54.039 --> 00:30:56.359
Kevin Spacey to have been able to put more of

617
00:30:56.400 --> 00:31:00.720
his own personal twist on Lex Luthor. He the thing

618
00:31:00.880 --> 00:31:03.079
that bothered me, and even as a huge Superman fan,

619
00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:07.200
huge you know Donner movie Superman fan, the first time

620
00:31:07.240 --> 00:31:09.440
I saw this in theaters, I'm sitting there, I'm watching

621
00:31:09.440 --> 00:31:13.319
it in theaters. When they started to directly quote he

622
00:31:13.400 --> 00:31:15.920
said word for word exactly the same stuff that Gene

623
00:31:15.920 --> 00:31:18.640
Hackman had said. The first time it happened, I'm like, Oh,

624
00:31:18.680 --> 00:31:20.200
look at that. They're a little they're throwing a little

625
00:31:20.240 --> 00:31:22.240
Easter egg for us. And then I think the second

626
00:31:22.279 --> 00:31:24.079
time it happened, I was like, oh, look at that,

627
00:31:24.319 --> 00:31:27.240
they're still doing it. And so I just I wish

628
00:31:27.279 --> 00:31:31.640
and knowing Kevin Spacey before seeing him in this, I

629
00:31:31.680 --> 00:31:33.759
hadn't necessarily seen him in much, but I had seen

630
00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:38.680
him in seven, and I'm going, Okay, well, if we're

631
00:31:38.680 --> 00:31:40.680
going to take the guy from seven and we're going

632
00:31:40.759 --> 00:31:43.440
to make him Lex Luthor, then I don't I don't

633
00:31:43.480 --> 00:31:48.119
want him to be this just absolutely creepy, psychotic guy.

634
00:31:48.599 --> 00:31:50.440
But I want to see a little bit more. I

635
00:31:50.720 --> 00:31:53.759
want to see a little less Gene Hackman in his performance,

636
00:31:53.759 --> 00:31:55.480
and I want to see a little bit more Lex Luthor.

637
00:31:55.559 --> 00:31:57.680
And that same scene I just mentioned about, you know,

638
00:31:57.759 --> 00:32:00.880
Lois and her kind of trading barbs with Lex Luthor.

639
00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:05.039
One thing he does do better than Gene Hackman is

640
00:32:05.119 --> 00:32:08.599
he is a he's a scary Lex Luthor. U. Yes,

641
00:32:08.680 --> 00:32:12.440
Gene Hackman. To me, I'm never necessarily afraid of him

642
00:32:12.559 --> 00:32:15.559
in that kind of you know, he's he's unpredictable and

643
00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:18.400
he's scary kind of a way. It's I'm afraid of

644
00:32:18.440 --> 00:32:21.599
his intelligence. With Gene Hackman, you know, what is he

645
00:32:21.720 --> 00:32:24.559
possibly capable of? And and he doesn't have the same

646
00:32:24.599 --> 00:32:27.960
moral compass as anybody else. Kevin Spacey lends a little

647
00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:31.559
bit extra scariness to his Lex Luthor, and I wish

648
00:32:31.640 --> 00:32:33.160
he had been given a little bit of a longer

649
00:32:33.240 --> 00:32:34.039
leash to do more of that.

650
00:32:34.519 --> 00:32:39.079
I think it's I think it's charisma versus intensity when

651
00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:41.839
you're looking at the two of them, Yes Hackman, Yeah,

652
00:32:41.839 --> 00:32:46.400
you're right. You can't really be afraid of Hackman because

653
00:32:46.400 --> 00:32:48.640
he's so charismatics as Luther.

654
00:32:49.000 --> 00:32:49.240
You know.

655
00:32:49.279 --> 00:32:52.240
And it's and it's those little comedic moments he has,

656
00:32:52.480 --> 00:32:58.440
you know, miss Tesmacher, Lex, my mother lives in Hackensacks

657
00:32:58.559 --> 00:32:59.720
and he looks at the watch.

658
00:33:00.440 --> 00:33:02.960
No, not anymore. It's you.

659
00:33:03.160 --> 00:33:05.440
You have you kind of chuckle, you know, you're like, Oh,

660
00:33:05.480 --> 00:33:07.720
he's so cool even when he's a bad guy.

661
00:33:08.039 --> 00:33:10.519
Otis Burg, Otis Otisburg.

662
00:33:11.160 --> 00:33:12.440
It's a little place, John.

663
00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:16.359
But I feel like if you if you have Spacey

664
00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:20.160
doing that, you know, and Mistex Smoker says, my mother

665
00:33:20.240 --> 00:33:21.039
lives in Hackensack.

666
00:33:21.279 --> 00:33:22.359
He's not looking at his watch.

667
00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:26.079
He's like looking at her, like with a face, you know,

668
00:33:26.279 --> 00:33:29.240
like like that John Doe face maybe from seven and

669
00:33:29.279 --> 00:33:31.200
you're like, oh.

670
00:33:30.880 --> 00:33:32.359
This guy's he's a psychopath.

671
00:33:32.559 --> 00:33:35.799
Yeah, at the end, at the end when when she

672
00:33:35.920 --> 00:33:38.160
kicks the crystals out of the helicopter as they're trying

673
00:33:38.200 --> 00:33:40.440
to escape from the island, and he's like, what did

674
00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:44.480
you do to me this, Lex Luthor? And I don't know,

675
00:33:44.559 --> 00:33:46.519
maybe you don't do it in a movie that's PG

676
00:33:46.599 --> 00:33:48.440
thirteen and kids are going to come see. But if

677
00:33:48.480 --> 00:33:50.519
it's Kevin Spacey Lex Luthor, I'm feeling like he kicks

678
00:33:50.559 --> 00:33:52.440
her out the helicopter door while it's mid flight.

679
00:33:53.319 --> 00:33:56.480
Yeah, like I see him going go get him and

680
00:33:56.640 --> 00:33:59.680
like shoving her around, you know, something something to that effect.

681
00:34:00.160 --> 00:34:00.599
I'm a fan.

682
00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:02.799
I'm a fan of space He's Lex Luthor though, absolutely,

683
00:34:02.920 --> 00:34:05.200
I think you know, and I know we could talk

684
00:34:05.240 --> 00:34:10.119
for hours about Lex Luthor's.

685
00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:11.599
But we're not gonna do that. But uh he he would.

686
00:34:11.440 --> 00:34:14.199
Definitely be up there among the among the greats as

687
00:34:14.199 --> 00:34:17.880
far as I'm concerned. We we started this month off,

688
00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:21.639
we're talking about Johnny Depp and James Marsden, and I

689
00:34:21.679 --> 00:34:24.800
gotta be honest with you. Initially, I wasn't thinking that

690
00:34:24.840 --> 00:34:27.000
we're gonna talk Superman. I knew were gonna talk Superman returns,

691
00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:30.119
but I had it. I had it a couple months

692
00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:31.599
away from now, and then I was like, what am

693
00:34:31.599 --> 00:34:35.719
I doing. It's James Marsden, like, you gotta talk Superman

694
00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:36.360
and you gotta.

695
00:34:36.119 --> 00:34:36.639
Talk X Men.

696
00:34:36.679 --> 00:34:39.360
This this guy is in two of the biggest superhero

697
00:34:39.400 --> 00:34:45.519
franchises in the same summer. James Marsen here playing Richard White,

698
00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:48.440
a new new character. I don't know if he's I

699
00:34:48.480 --> 00:34:51.320
don't know what is there is there a comic uh

700
00:34:51.440 --> 00:34:52.199
accuracy here?

701
00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:54.079
Is there was there ever a Richard White, because I

702
00:34:54.079 --> 00:34:56.519
don't remember that when I read the comics.

703
00:34:56.320 --> 00:35:00.960
I feel like Perry White had Perry White had a

704
00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:03.280
son in the comics. This was kind of like in

705
00:35:03.320 --> 00:35:07.079
the eighties, maybe early nineties, and at one point then

706
00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:10.559
I believe his son died and I'm trying to remember

707
00:35:11.119 --> 00:35:15.320
if it was because of Lex Luthor. I'm a little

708
00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:18.039
I'm a little fuzzier on that history, but at one

709
00:35:18.079 --> 00:35:22.239
point Perry White did have a child. Yeah, I'm a

710
00:35:22.239 --> 00:35:23.840
little fuzzy on the details of that one, though.

711
00:35:25.239 --> 00:35:30.719
I like what Marson's doing here because you you got

712
00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:35.400
this guy, Richard White. He's heir to the Bugle Empire,

713
00:35:35.559 --> 00:35:38.360
as as it were. He's the assistant editor, right, he's

714
00:35:38.440 --> 00:35:41.239
Perry's what, he's Perry's son, Parry's nephew something like that.

715
00:35:43.480 --> 00:35:46.960
He's he's with Lois Lane, He's that. You got to

716
00:35:47.000 --> 00:35:50.239
make him a cool, charismatic guy.

717
00:35:50.320 --> 00:35:50.480
Right.

718
00:35:50.480 --> 00:35:54.840
He's got a plane, he's a pilot. He's dashingly handsome,

719
00:35:55.760 --> 00:35:59.639
you know. He's he's a great dad to to her son.

720
00:35:59.840 --> 00:36:02.400
He's a great husband, you know, he's a great whatever.

721
00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:04.440
I don't know.

722
00:36:04.719 --> 00:36:09.320
It's nice seeing James Marsen playing a heroic figure who's

723
00:36:09.360 --> 00:36:11.199
not a hero, if that makes sense.

724
00:36:11.679 --> 00:36:14.880
Yeah. I do feel bad for James Marsden because I

725
00:36:14.920 --> 00:36:18.559
think he gets jokingly, he gets type cast as the

726
00:36:18.599 --> 00:36:22.519
guy that the girl doesn't quite want. Yeah, so because

727
00:36:22.559 --> 00:36:25.280
in this one, he's you know, he's I don't want

728
00:36:25.280 --> 00:36:26.800
to call him the backup plan. But here's kind of

729
00:36:26.800 --> 00:36:29.800
the backup plan. He's when your austions are Superman. I

730
00:36:29.840 --> 00:36:32.960
think he's the backup plan. In the Notebook, he kind

731
00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:35.800
of becomes the backup plan to Ryan Gosling. In the

732
00:36:35.960 --> 00:36:38.480
X Men movies, he becomes the backup plan to Wolverine.

733
00:36:39.039 --> 00:36:41.639
So I always felt a little bad for James Mars

734
00:36:41.639 --> 00:36:43.679
and I'm like, he seems like such a nice guy.

735
00:36:44.119 --> 00:36:47.000
It's he's I mean, you gotta you gotta give him

736
00:36:47.000 --> 00:36:49.119
cdit because in some of these he does have the girl,

737
00:36:49.239 --> 00:36:51.639
Like he's with Lewis Lane, he's with Jane Gray. But

738
00:36:52.559 --> 00:36:55.320
he's not the first choice, right, you know, he's just

739
00:36:55.639 --> 00:36:58.159
he's he's like, I'm gonna settle for him. I can't,

740
00:36:58.440 --> 00:37:00.639
you know, I want to be with this guy, but

741
00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:01.920
I'll bring this guy home to mom.

742
00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:05.119
In all and in all those situations, he never does

743
00:37:05.199 --> 00:37:07.360
anything to make you look at him and go oh,

744
00:37:07.480 --> 00:37:10.199
That's definitely why she should be with Superman. Definitely why

745
00:37:10.239 --> 00:37:13.239
she should be with Logan. Every single time he's he's

746
00:37:13.280 --> 00:37:15.880
a nice guy, like he doesn't he doesn't have any

747
00:37:15.960 --> 00:37:19.480
major red flag flaws in any of these situations. So

748
00:37:19.519 --> 00:37:21.880
he's That's one thing I do appreciate. I appreciate about

749
00:37:21.880 --> 00:37:23.760
this is I feel like that's a bit of a

750
00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:27.719
step up in storytelling where it's like he's a viable

751
00:37:27.760 --> 00:37:31.199
option for someone to, you know, be your partner in life.

752
00:37:31.880 --> 00:37:34.039
He's not, you know, there's not gonna be some horrible

753
00:37:34.039 --> 00:37:36.360
secret you find out about him later on. He's who

754
00:37:36.360 --> 00:37:37.519
he is. He's a nice guy.

755
00:37:38.199 --> 00:37:40.559
Yeah, and well, you know, like Lois, I know where

756
00:37:40.679 --> 00:37:42.280
I know we'll get to it here when we talk

757
00:37:42.320 --> 00:37:46.039
about the scenes, but there's a moment where she almost

758
00:37:46.599 --> 00:37:50.159
kisses Superman. Yeah, stops herself. It's like, Richard's a good guy.

759
00:37:51.599 --> 00:37:53.960
He's and he never left. He didn't leave me, you know.

760
00:37:54.639 --> 00:37:58.559
And I really appreciate that. We don't see Superman have

761
00:37:58.599 --> 00:38:03.199
to save Richard. It's Richard is saving Lois and Jason,

762
00:38:03.519 --> 00:38:05.239
and Superman's kind of giving him the assist.

763
00:38:05.320 --> 00:38:07.280
That's I thought that was brilliant.

764
00:38:06.880 --> 00:38:08.599
How he was like, hey, do you got the Superman's

765
00:38:08.639 --> 00:38:09.880
like hey, you Like when he's getting him out of

766
00:38:09.920 --> 00:38:11.320
the boat, he knows, hey do you got him?

767
00:38:11.360 --> 00:38:11.920
He's like I got him.

768
00:38:11.920 --> 00:38:15.199
He's like all right, hold on, and it's like, let

769
00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:17.039
the guy rescue his family.

770
00:38:17.280 --> 00:38:18.199
Superman's not there.

771
00:38:18.039 --> 00:38:20.679
To take the credit, So I really like how his

772
00:38:20.760 --> 00:38:23.039
character's written. I really like what James Marson's doing in

773
00:38:23.039 --> 00:38:26.800
this John, anyone you want to talk about before we

774
00:38:26.800 --> 00:38:29.760
we move on. I know, I know, I just I'm

775
00:38:29.800 --> 00:38:34.199
not all due respect to Franklin Jella, skeletor himself, you know,

776
00:38:34.280 --> 00:38:36.280
playing Perry White. I guess we should talk while we're

777
00:38:36.280 --> 00:38:37.559
talking about him, So let's talk about him.

778
00:38:37.639 --> 00:38:41.320
Yeah, he's a he's a fun Perry White. I like

779
00:38:41.400 --> 00:38:43.400
him as Perry White. He's kind of he's got that

780
00:38:43.800 --> 00:38:46.599
kind of like you know, grizzled newspaperman vibe to him,

781
00:38:46.639 --> 00:38:50.800
like he's he's definitely seen some crap and he's kind

782
00:38:50.800 --> 00:38:53.480
of got a little no nonsense stuff about him. And

783
00:38:53.519 --> 00:38:56.119
so I like him. I like him as a Perry White. He's,

784
00:38:56.199 --> 00:39:00.239
you know, compared with other iterations, he's he's the kind

785
00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:04.079
of guy I expect to be running a newspaper. So yeah, no,

786
00:39:04.159 --> 00:39:06.119
I love him, and I've loved him in so many

787
00:39:06.119 --> 00:39:09.440
other things, the seventies, Dracula, that like you mentioned skeletor that.

788
00:39:09.519 --> 00:39:12.800
Yeah, yeah, he's I like what he's doing with Perry

789
00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:19.280
White here. Singer specifically cautions him too, to bring it

790
00:39:19.320 --> 00:39:23.840
down a couple notches. I don't want someone that's boisterous.

791
00:39:23.840 --> 00:39:27.639
I don't want someone that's flying off the handle. Specifically

792
00:39:27.679 --> 00:39:31.440
because they didn't want to see like a JK. Simmons,

793
00:39:31.559 --> 00:39:33.519
j Jonah Jamison, because you got you know, we got

794
00:39:33.599 --> 00:39:36.039
same army spider man happening, and they wanted to be

795
00:39:36.079 --> 00:39:36.800
careful not to.

796
00:39:36.800 --> 00:39:40.000
Have that same flavor as it were.

797
00:39:40.400 --> 00:39:44.039
But he's fun, he's I like, there's a snarkiness to

798
00:39:44.480 --> 00:39:47.840
how he treats Lewis, you know, and it's where he's

799
00:39:47.840 --> 00:39:48.840
where he was putting in place.

800
00:39:48.960 --> 00:39:51.800
I think it works, definitely like it.

801
00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:55.360
Uh, let's talk a little bit about this background of

802
00:39:55.440 --> 00:39:58.480
this film. It's ah and again all due respect, I

803
00:39:58.480 --> 00:40:00.880
know there's a ton of people we could talking about.

804
00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:02.559
But we we only have so much time.

805
00:40:02.679 --> 00:40:06.800
So uh, you know, the film originally talking about people

806
00:40:06.800 --> 00:40:08.360
that we can't really talk about, but we'll talk about

807
00:40:08.360 --> 00:40:11.400
for a minute because you mentioned the character already, or

808
00:40:11.400 --> 00:40:13.280
at least your your father mentioned the character.

809
00:40:13.960 --> 00:40:14.199
Uh.

810
00:40:14.239 --> 00:40:18.199
This film originally was intended to include the return of

811
00:40:18.239 --> 00:40:22.880
General Zod. Singer was insistent that the only person that

812
00:40:22.920 --> 00:40:28.840
could play him was Jude law I wholeheartedly agree with

813
00:40:28.840 --> 00:40:30.159
that that choice.

814
00:40:30.719 --> 00:40:32.360
I think that would have been amazing. I know what

815
00:40:32.440 --> 00:40:35.119
Jude Law was. Jude Law was also involved as they

816
00:40:35.159 --> 00:40:38.480
were doing some different iterations during that whole development hell

817
00:40:38.599 --> 00:40:42.280
period where they were running all the different possibilities they

818
00:40:42.320 --> 00:40:45.000
had that I'm trying to remember which one Jude Law

819
00:40:45.039 --> 00:40:45.760
was going to be involved.

820
00:40:46.280 --> 00:40:48.360
Was it?

821
00:40:48.599 --> 00:40:50.320
Oh, it might have been fly By? Yeah, because there

822
00:40:50.360 --> 00:40:54.000
was versus. There was a Batman versus Superman, okay, And

823
00:40:54.119 --> 00:40:57.519
I feel like at one point, you know, Matt Damon

824
00:40:57.800 --> 00:41:02.119
was possibly involved, Jude Law was possibly involved. Josh Hartnett's

825
00:41:02.199 --> 00:41:06.559
name kept getting thrown around, and I want to say

826
00:41:06.559 --> 00:41:08.559
it was either the Batman versus Superman that they were

827
00:41:08.599 --> 00:41:10.880
talking through like in two thousand and one, or it

828
00:41:11.039 --> 00:41:12.679
was the Superman Flyby.

829
00:41:13.320 --> 00:41:14.880
I think you're right. I think it was the Batman

830
00:41:14.960 --> 00:41:15.679
versus Superman.

831
00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:17.199
Okay, Uh, McK g.

832
00:41:17.360 --> 00:41:18.559
Had the I think it was Mick G that was

833
00:41:18.800 --> 00:41:20.679
gonna do fly By if I'm not mistaken.

834
00:41:21.800 --> 00:41:23.599
I think so it was that the JJ Abrams. I

835
00:41:23.599 --> 00:41:25.960
think that was the Abrams, yeah, Abrams script.

836
00:41:26.000 --> 00:41:28.880
And that might even been a Brennan Fraser. I know

837
00:41:28.960 --> 00:41:31.639
he was like Hartnon and Fraser were both you know

838
00:41:31.920 --> 00:41:35.920
in the running there, that's a that's a podcast onto itself,

839
00:41:35.960 --> 00:41:36.360
like just.

840
00:41:36.320 --> 00:41:39.280
The just the the what ifs, you know, Nick Cage

841
00:41:39.360 --> 00:41:41.679
and you know everything, Tim Burton, Kevin Smith. There was

842
00:41:41.760 --> 00:41:43.480
so many possibilities.

843
00:41:43.559 --> 00:41:46.199
Uh, that's your that's your alternate video store right there.

844
00:41:46.480 --> 00:41:48.239
Yeah, there we go. We might we might cover that

845
00:41:48.280 --> 00:41:48.719
at some point.

846
00:41:48.719 --> 00:41:48.960
We did.

847
00:41:49.000 --> 00:41:51.199
We did Batman, We did Richard Donner's Batman, so why

848
00:41:51.239 --> 00:41:56.679
not do that? But yeah, Jude Law says absolutely not.

849
00:41:56.800 --> 00:41:58.800
He turns it down several times. Since Senor says, well,

850
00:41:58.840 --> 00:42:01.599
if I can't have Jude Law, then there's no ZOD.

851
00:42:01.719 --> 00:42:04.440
He writes them out of the script. And I agree

852
00:42:04.480 --> 00:42:05.880
with that. I think that was the right way.

853
00:42:05.719 --> 00:42:07.880
To do it. This movie.

854
00:42:09.400 --> 00:42:11.599
Leaps tall buildings in a single bound. At the thirty

855
00:42:11.599 --> 00:42:15.440
third Saturn Awards, John when and you know this because

856
00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:17.519
you know it all about Superman, But for our listeners

857
00:42:18.519 --> 00:42:20.920
it wins Best Actor for Brandon Routh, Best Score for

858
00:42:21.000 --> 00:42:24.280
John Ottman, Best Screenplay for Michael Doherty and Dan Harris,

859
00:42:24.639 --> 00:42:27.960
Best Fantasy Film, and Best Director for Brian Singer.

860
00:42:28.559 --> 00:42:29.280
It's quite a haul.

861
00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:32.480
Yeah yeah.

862
00:42:33.039 --> 00:42:38.000
Filming for the Superman Return sequel was slated to begin

863
00:42:38.039 --> 00:42:41.880
in mid two thousand and seven. I still don't understand

864
00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:46.800
the politics that were involved with the execs and everything

865
00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:50.280
else going on. But after several production delays, the Warner

866
00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:55.440
Brothers studio president Alan Horn states that Superman Returns was

867
00:42:55.519 --> 00:42:59.119
very successful, but that it quote should have done five

868
00:42:59.199 --> 00:43:02.159
hundred million world why we should have had perhaps a

869
00:43:02.199 --> 00:43:06.519
little more action to satisfy the young male crowd. Now, singer,

870
00:43:06.960 --> 00:43:11.039
who has some clout at this point in his career

871
00:43:11.360 --> 00:43:15.199
and has grown impatient with the execs, has no loss

872
00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:18.440
for is no loss for words for him. He's quoted

873
00:43:18.639 --> 00:43:22.440
saying the movie made four hundred million. I don't know

874
00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:24.400
what constitutes underperforming these days.

875
00:43:24.800 --> 00:43:29.559
Yeah, and ultimately he leaves to pursue other projects. John

876
00:43:29.599 --> 00:43:30.320
anything fun?

877
00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:32.639
I know, I know you've got a I know you've

878
00:43:32.679 --> 00:43:35.760
got a fortress of solitude's worth of knowledge about.

879
00:43:35.480 --> 00:43:37.119
The making of this movie. But can you can you

880
00:43:37.159 --> 00:43:38.400
give us a couple couple.

881
00:43:38.239 --> 00:43:40.239
Fun facts about the you know, I'm kind of I'm

882
00:43:40.320 --> 00:43:43.760
kind of hitting bullet points. I'm, you know, faster than

883
00:43:43.760 --> 00:43:46.199
this beating bullet point. But what do you got anything

884
00:43:46.239 --> 00:43:47.199
you want to share with us?

885
00:43:47.519 --> 00:43:48.920
So one of the things I read that I thought

886
00:43:48.920 --> 00:43:52.000
was really unfair to the people making these movies. Was

887
00:43:52.119 --> 00:43:54.639
and I don't know how accurate this is, but I've

888
00:43:54.639 --> 00:43:57.360
read it in a couple of different places. Now, when

889
00:43:57.400 --> 00:44:01.360
they were looking at the the budget of this movie

890
00:44:01.880 --> 00:44:07.119
versus the box office, they actually were counting in the

891
00:44:07.159 --> 00:44:11.039
budget some of the money that has been spent during

892
00:44:11.079 --> 00:44:14.559
that production hell period. So not not even what this

893
00:44:14.599 --> 00:44:16.800
movie was involved in. Not fair at all. And so that,

894
00:44:16.840 --> 00:44:18.760
I mean, that's part of what makes me even more angry,

895
00:44:18.760 --> 00:44:21.760
because I remember when this one came out, and I

896
00:44:21.760 --> 00:44:23.599
remember talking with some friends and we were just trying

897
00:44:23.599 --> 00:44:26.960
to imagine in our heads. We're like, okay, so not

898
00:44:27.039 --> 00:44:28.760
that you can have too many complaints about the Christopher

899
00:44:28.800 --> 00:44:32.000
Reeve movies, but you know some of the complaints where

900
00:44:32.719 --> 00:44:35.800
now we're here, we're in the two thousands. We've got

901
00:44:36.079 --> 00:44:38.559
CGI when it's needed. You know, we can do all

902
00:44:38.599 --> 00:44:40.880
kinds of other practical effects that we maybe couldn't even

903
00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:44.119
do back in the seventies and eighties. I mean, let's

904
00:44:44.320 --> 00:44:46.480
let's crack it open. We've got so many good villains.

905
00:44:46.480 --> 00:44:49.599
We could do Brainiac, we could do whatever, like so

906
00:44:49.760 --> 00:44:53.320
many good, good Superman villains. And there was the excitement

907
00:44:53.360 --> 00:44:55.079
of that so then when I you know, hear things

908
00:44:55.119 --> 00:44:57.320
like that where it's like, well, they counted all the

909
00:44:57.400 --> 00:44:59.840
years that Brian Singer was not even involved in this,

910
00:45:00.320 --> 00:45:03.400
they're counting the spending they did on those other projects

911
00:45:03.440 --> 00:45:05.880
towards the budget of his movie, and then they're telling

912
00:45:05.960 --> 00:45:08.440
him it didn't make enough money. That's the kind of

913
00:45:08.440 --> 00:45:10.639
stuff that frustrates me because it's it's the what could

914
00:45:10.719 --> 00:45:13.239
have been with this onete.

915
00:45:13.320 --> 00:45:17.719
Yeah, that's absolutely asinine to me. You can't say, hey,

916
00:45:17.760 --> 00:45:21.079
we you know all this money we sunk into development,

917
00:45:21.920 --> 00:45:25.039
you you know you got to pay that bill. Yeah, yeah,

918
00:45:25.079 --> 00:45:27.480
that's it's just wrong speaking of development.

919
00:45:27.679 --> 00:45:29.360
And I want I wanted to see Ralph get a

920
00:45:29.440 --> 00:45:31.679
chance to break loose a little bit more. He was

921
00:45:31.840 --> 00:45:34.360
very I love his Superman in this movie, but he's

922
00:45:34.360 --> 00:45:37.000
also very subdued. And I also had read somewhere he

923
00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:39.760
only has eighty three lines of dialogue in this movie,

924
00:45:39.960 --> 00:45:43.760
so he doesn't talk much. There is a deleted scene though,

925
00:45:44.199 --> 00:45:47.400
where he finds that the Fortress of Solitude has been

926
00:45:47.400 --> 00:45:51.239
broken into and he enraged. He is just like he

927
00:45:51.320 --> 00:45:54.760
unleashes this anger, you know, screaming and flying into space.

928
00:45:55.199 --> 00:45:59.360
And I believe Ralph has been quoted as saying, like

929
00:45:59.400 --> 00:46:05.239
this was it felt deeply unsupermanly, but it also helped

930
00:46:05.320 --> 00:46:08.679
him like kind of connect with this character and maybe

931
00:46:08.679 --> 00:46:11.320
the tension that this character is dealing with and what

932
00:46:11.320 --> 00:46:14.480
he's going through emotionally. And I would have loved to

933
00:46:14.519 --> 00:46:18.360
see a less subdued, you know, break out of his

934
00:46:18.360 --> 00:46:21.440
shell a little bit more Brandon Ralph Superman in a

935
00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:23.320
sequel and just and that's one of the other things

936
00:46:23.320 --> 00:46:24.679
that aggravates me that we never got it.

937
00:46:25.199 --> 00:46:26.880
He doesn't get his moment.

938
00:46:28.320 --> 00:46:32.639
Like Rea, like in Superman, Lois, Lois dies in the earthquake.

939
00:46:33.079 --> 00:46:35.519
Absolutely reeve gets that rage moment.

940
00:46:35.880 --> 00:46:43.239
Ye Cavel no choice but to end Zod's life. Has

941
00:46:43.320 --> 00:46:47.239
that rage moment, right Ralph Ralph, Ralph didn't get his.

942
00:46:47.800 --> 00:46:51.039
And I agree with you. We we missed out on

943
00:46:51.079 --> 00:46:51.719
a sequel.

944
00:46:52.480 --> 00:46:58.440
They were looking at Brainiac, they're looking at Bizarro.

945
00:46:58.800 --> 00:46:59.960
That would have been that would have been great.

946
00:47:00.320 --> 00:47:03.760
The whole idea was let's bring some Kryptonians back, but

947
00:47:03.960 --> 00:47:06.119
maybe let's not do what we've already done. Let's not

948
00:47:06.159 --> 00:47:09.840
bring Zod and Ursa non, Let's let's see some other

949
00:47:09.840 --> 00:47:10.440
guys in action.

950
00:47:10.760 --> 00:47:14.599
We've MultiMate movies let's do somebody other than do somethe else.

951
00:47:14.679 --> 00:47:18.920
Yeah, speaking of all that research, all that developmental time,

952
00:47:19.360 --> 00:47:21.960
I do know that one more thing I'll give you

953
00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:28.440
before we take a quick break. DC opens the vault

954
00:47:28.519 --> 00:47:31.960
and says, here is everything that we've got on the

955
00:47:32.039 --> 00:47:34.480
last dating back to nineteen eighty six. Here's all the

956
00:47:34.519 --> 00:47:36.960
developmental information we've got for movies.

957
00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:38.400
Have at it.

958
00:47:38.719 --> 00:47:45.360
Brian Singer politely says, no, thank you, tells the studio no, no, no.

959
00:47:45.760 --> 00:47:49.639
I all I need is to follow the continuity set

960
00:47:49.679 --> 00:47:51.039
forth by Richard Donner.

961
00:47:51.159 --> 00:47:51.599
That's it.

962
00:47:52.119 --> 00:47:55.800
Don't want anything else, don't eat So yeah, I dig it,

963
00:47:55.880 --> 00:47:57.800
like ultimately, like I said, the fact that.

964
00:47:57.719 --> 00:48:00.440
We rely so heavily on the.

965
00:48:02.199 --> 00:48:08.719
Donner storytelling, the John Williams score, the mannerism like Ralph's

966
00:48:08.719 --> 00:48:09.760
Clark Ken is perfect.

967
00:48:09.800 --> 00:48:12.880
He like the bumbling Clark that's wants to be cool,

968
00:48:12.920 --> 00:48:16.159
but just as forever a goof Like I think it's

969
00:48:16.199 --> 00:48:18.559
all there. I really enjoy it.

970
00:48:18.679 --> 00:48:20.920
I remember, John, do you remember the first time you

971
00:48:20.920 --> 00:48:29.119
saw that teaser and you heard the Marlon Brando Darrell dialogue,

972
00:48:29.760 --> 00:48:35.039
and you've got the John Williams score. I just maybe

973
00:48:35.039 --> 00:48:38.920
one of my all time favorite movie teasers, trailers.

974
00:48:38.440 --> 00:48:39.440
Whatever you want to call it.

975
00:48:39.679 --> 00:48:43.320
I was just like, oh my god, they're Superman's coming back,

976
00:48:43.400 --> 00:48:47.480
but he's this is this is my Superman. It's yeah, yeah,

977
00:48:47.599 --> 00:48:49.280
do you remember do you remember seeing that trailer first time?

978
00:48:49.360 --> 00:48:51.039
Like you're just the feeling that.

979
00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:53.840
You had, absolutely like that. That is one of my

980
00:48:53.880 --> 00:48:56.079
memories up there with you know, waiting for somebody to

981
00:48:56.159 --> 00:48:58.880
download the Phantom Menace trailer for about forty five minutes

982
00:48:58.880 --> 00:49:02.039
before we could actually watch her. Was getting a chance

983
00:49:02.159 --> 00:49:04.039
and not having to wait forty five minutes this time around,

984
00:49:04.119 --> 00:49:06.800
but yeah, just getting a chance, Yes, getting a chance

985
00:49:06.840 --> 00:49:10.920
to see this movie trailer for a character, much like

986
00:49:11.079 --> 00:49:13.599
Star Wars episode one, we had waited. I mean you

987
00:49:13.639 --> 00:49:15.960
almost could have thought, well, maybe there's no more Superman ever,

988
00:49:16.519 --> 00:49:18.400
because you know Superman four, that's kind of where we

989
00:49:18.480 --> 00:49:21.480
left it, and we haven't had anything since then, so

990
00:49:21.639 --> 00:49:23.800
I'm not going to assume anything else is coming, just

991
00:49:23.840 --> 00:49:26.719
like with Star Wars, kind of assume everything's dead and

992
00:49:26.760 --> 00:49:28.599
gone and you just maybe read the books and have

993
00:49:28.719 --> 00:49:33.039
some fun with that. But yes, I remember this trailer

994
00:49:33.079 --> 00:49:34.800
as well as the Man of Steel trailer. I love

995
00:49:34.880 --> 00:49:36.480
that one as well. When that one first came out.

996
00:49:37.119 --> 00:49:41.199
Just I was so excited, like I was, I was

997
00:49:41.280 --> 00:49:43.159
brand new. I was been brand new in my first

998
00:49:43.239 --> 00:49:45.599
job as a teacher. Like I remember this coming out.

999
00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:47.800
I remember running through the building finding the other people

1000
00:49:47.840 --> 00:49:50.280
I knew that were nerds like me, and I was like, guys,

1001
00:49:50.320 --> 00:49:52.000
we have got that. Whenever you've got a lunch break

1002
00:49:52.360 --> 00:49:54.519
or a period off where you don't have kids, you

1003
00:49:54.639 --> 00:49:56.719
got to come to my room because there's a trailer.

1004
00:49:56.760 --> 00:49:57.440
We got to watch it.

1005
00:49:57.920 --> 00:50:00.639
Oh nice.

1006
00:50:00.800 --> 00:50:05.079
So last week we were talking about Pirates of the Caribbean,

1007
00:50:05.159 --> 00:50:09.079
dead Man's Chest, David Angela and Hamber having a lot

1008
00:50:09.079 --> 00:50:14.239
of fun set and sail with Jack Sparrow. Superman Returns

1009
00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:18.639
nominated for the Academy Award for Best Visual Effects, but

1010
00:50:18.800 --> 00:50:22.199
loses to Pirates of the Caribbean dead Man's Chest.

1011
00:50:22.360 --> 00:50:24.199
Did the Academy get that one right? Do you think?

1012
00:50:24.960 --> 00:50:28.239
I mean, I know we had the Kraken and you

1013
00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:31.519
know all that all that stuff and Pirates, but I

1014
00:50:31.599 --> 00:50:31.960
don't know.

1015
00:50:32.039 --> 00:50:33.280
I just I mean, it's Superman.

1016
00:50:33.719 --> 00:50:37.719
Yeah. I feel like I feel like it maybe is

1017
00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:42.119
an issue of quality over quantity or quantity over quality,

1018
00:50:42.119 --> 00:50:45.320
because it definitely dead Man's Chest had more cgi than

1019
00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:48.880
Superman did. I feel like Superman used it sparingly, which

1020
00:50:48.920 --> 00:50:53.079
is always unless you absolutely need a CGI heavy movie.

1021
00:50:53.119 --> 00:50:55.280
I'm always going to be somebody who wants to balance

1022
00:50:55.320 --> 00:50:58.400
the practical with the CGI. I use it when it's needed,

1023
00:50:58.559 --> 00:51:00.880
use it when it's when it's wise to use it.

1024
00:51:01.320 --> 00:51:03.719
And so I started to get a little turned off

1025
00:51:03.800 --> 00:51:06.920
by the Pirates of the Caribbean movies when they started

1026
00:51:06.920 --> 00:51:09.360
to do more of that CGI. I'm like, does it

1027
00:51:09.400 --> 00:51:12.519
look good? Yeah, it looks good, but I don't know.

1028
00:51:12.760 --> 00:51:15.239
I'm give me a give me a costume, and give

1029
00:51:15.280 --> 00:51:17.559
me practical sets and give me things like that, and

1030
00:51:18.480 --> 00:51:20.840
I'm happy. I mean, I'm a I'm a I'm a

1031
00:51:20.920 --> 00:51:23.280
Ray Harry Housen fan. So I don't know stop motion.

1032
00:51:24.239 --> 00:51:25.519
Give me some stop motion stuff.

1033
00:51:25.960 --> 00:51:26.400
I love.

1034
00:51:26.480 --> 00:51:31.000
I love Captain Jack. But the big action set piece

1035
00:51:31.039 --> 00:51:35.400
in this movie, when Superman saves the plane, yes, I mean,

1036
00:51:36.480 --> 00:51:38.079
it just blows my mind. I mean, I've seen the

1037
00:51:38.079 --> 00:51:41.119
movie a hundred times probably, and I own it on

1038
00:51:41.159 --> 00:51:45.639
Blu Ray. But every time that scene starts, I'm I'm

1039
00:51:45.880 --> 00:51:48.320
ten years old again, and I'm just sitting there just

1040
00:51:48.480 --> 00:51:50.159
in all and like, I believe in.

1041
00:51:50.079 --> 00:51:51.679
Superman, you know, it's still.

1042
00:51:52.800 --> 00:51:54.320
Oh absolutely, I think it's still one of the most

1043
00:51:54.480 --> 00:51:56.719
iconic in all the superhero movies we've had now, I

1044
00:51:56.760 --> 00:51:58.639
think it's one of the most iconic scenes of any

1045
00:51:58.679 --> 00:52:01.480
comic book movie, even of the ones we've had so

1046
00:52:01.599 --> 00:52:04.280
many we've had an embarrassment of riches of comic book

1047
00:52:04.320 --> 00:52:07.679
movies in the last several decades. That scene, if you

1048
00:52:07.719 --> 00:52:10.400
asked me to list of like top five favorite moments

1049
00:52:10.400 --> 00:52:13.039
in a comic book movie, it's definitely in that top five.

1050
00:52:13.119 --> 00:52:13.599
It's got to be.

1051
00:52:13.760 --> 00:52:15.679
And the fact, you know, we talked about how they

1052
00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:18.559
kind of give us a little nostalgia. They throw like

1053
00:52:18.599 --> 00:52:20.880
some throwback dialogue from the original movies.

1054
00:52:21.360 --> 00:52:24.639
The fact that he uses the line you.

1055
00:52:24.679 --> 00:52:27.800
Know yes staysally speaking, it's it's still the safe sway

1056
00:52:27.800 --> 00:52:28.000
to fly.

1057
00:52:28.280 --> 00:52:31.480
I hope this doesn't put any of you off flying. Yeah, yeah, well,

1058
00:52:31.519 --> 00:52:33.840
and go back go back to the original not that

1059
00:52:33.960 --> 00:52:36.159
Brian Singer wants to use source material, but go back

1060
00:52:36.159 --> 00:52:40.320
to the original comics, and especially in the kind of

1061
00:52:40.360 --> 00:52:43.800
in the eighties, you know, eighties and nineties iteration of Superman,

1062
00:52:44.199 --> 00:52:47.679
the way he first meets Lois is he rescues a

1063
00:52:48.039 --> 00:52:50.079
I think it's a space shuttle that she's on or

1064
00:52:50.119 --> 00:52:52.320
a plane that she's on. That's how he meets her

1065
00:52:52.400 --> 00:52:55.079
is he rescues her, he lands the shuttle or the plane,

1066
00:52:55.159 --> 00:52:57.880
and then when she gets off, she immediately in some

1067
00:52:57.920 --> 00:53:00.480
scenes she grabs his cake and she grabs his cape

1068
00:53:00.599 --> 00:53:03.360
and goes, hey, wait, Buster, I got some questions for you.

1069
00:53:03.920 --> 00:53:06.599
Like number one, that's still my lowest lane, the one

1070
00:53:06.599 --> 00:53:09.239
that will grab the godlike figures cape. Now, I know

1071
00:53:09.320 --> 00:53:11.360
you're not supposed to tug on Superman's cape, but she does.

1072
00:53:11.400 --> 00:53:14.480
She's the only one that's allowed to do it, as

1073
00:53:14.480 --> 00:53:17.400
long as she doesn't spit into the wind. But yeah,

1074
00:53:17.400 --> 00:53:19.960
I mean, that's that's kind of an iconic if if

1075
00:53:20.000 --> 00:53:23.119
you've if you've immersed yourself in the comic books and

1076
00:53:23.159 --> 00:53:26.280
you've got that history too, then him saving a plane

1077
00:53:27.119 --> 00:53:28.519
not only just a plane, but a plane and a

1078
00:53:28.559 --> 00:53:31.800
shuttle at the same time, him doing that is like, okay,

1079
00:53:31.840 --> 00:53:34.039
well then this is you know, this is my my

1080
00:53:34.119 --> 00:53:36.960
comic book stuff come to life. So that is I

1081
00:53:37.280 --> 00:53:38.320
absolutely love that hole.

1082
00:53:38.519 --> 00:53:41.400
That was the was that the that's the burn run?

1083
00:53:41.480 --> 00:53:46.159
Yes, yeah, that's what that's Yeah, speaking of burn, not

1084
00:53:46.199 --> 00:53:49.519
to kind of burn you want it wins it's nominated

1085
00:53:49.559 --> 00:53:53.079
for the Commy Award, also nominated for a Golden Raspberry Award.

1086
00:53:54.000 --> 00:53:54.199
Yeah.

1087
00:53:54.320 --> 00:53:59.239
Worst Supporting Actress for Cape Bosworth and she loses to

1088
00:53:59.320 --> 00:54:03.800
Carmen Electric Uh for a double performance Date Movie and

1089
00:54:03.840 --> 00:54:07.679
Scary Movie four. I would have to go back and

1090
00:54:07.719 --> 00:54:11.440
see those two to know whether or not Kate should

1091
00:54:11.440 --> 00:54:12.000
have got.

1092
00:54:11.840 --> 00:54:13.840
It, because again.

1093
00:54:13.880 --> 00:54:16.440
I have I have a I feel a certain way

1094
00:54:16.440 --> 00:54:20.079
about Kate bos Bosworth's Leis Lane. And and that's all

1095
00:54:20.079 --> 00:54:22.239
I'll say, uh, because we got to take another break,

1096
00:54:26.000 --> 00:54:29.519
welcome back, all right. Uh, we got to talk about

1097
00:54:29.519 --> 00:54:32.039
the scene. And John, I know you've got a scene

1098
00:54:32.079 --> 00:54:32.440
in mind.

1099
00:54:32.440 --> 00:54:33.840
I've got a scene in mind.

1100
00:54:34.079 --> 00:54:37.679
I'm gonna ask you, uh, specifically the scene you chose

1101
00:54:37.880 --> 00:54:40.719
before you tell us what it is. What made you

1102
00:54:40.800 --> 00:54:43.400
choose this scene? Was it the cinematography? Was it a

1103
00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:47.360
strong performance? Is it the pivotal moment in Superman Returns?

1104
00:54:47.440 --> 00:54:47.760
Is it?

1105
00:54:47.800 --> 00:54:50.360
Is it something you you think? Maybe Amber Lewis was

1106
00:54:50.360 --> 00:54:51.480
pissed off about.

1107
00:54:51.360 --> 00:54:53.159
What do you what do you got for us? My

1108
00:54:53.239 --> 00:54:57.840
answer is yes, it's okay. I think it's so many

1109
00:54:57.840 --> 00:55:01.519
of those my scene. I think it's it's pivotal scene

1110
00:55:01.519 --> 00:55:04.639
in the movie. It's the climax of Act one of

1111
00:55:04.719 --> 00:55:09.079
the movie. It is technically and cinematographerly cinematography, that's not

1112
00:55:09.079 --> 00:55:14.000
even a word. It's all of those. I love this scene.

1113
00:55:14.039 --> 00:55:16.599
It's it's got, you know, some of the Superman lore

1114
00:55:16.639 --> 00:55:21.119
in there. It's calling back to some stuff in the comics. Yeah,

1115
00:55:21.159 --> 00:55:23.639
it is. It is an outstanding scene. I absolutely love it.

1116
00:55:24.480 --> 00:55:26.360
Okay, tell us the scene, all.

1117
00:55:26.400 --> 00:55:28.079
Right, it is. It's the plane rescue.

1118
00:55:28.199 --> 00:55:29.239
It's got to be the plane rescue.

1119
00:55:29.760 --> 00:55:30.960
You kill me up.

1120
00:55:31.000 --> 00:55:32.320
I'm like, well, there's only one.

1121
00:55:33.079 --> 00:55:37.519
Yeah, is this this whole scene with the plane. It's

1122
00:55:38.440 --> 00:55:41.360
as as kids who grew up watching the Christopher Reeve

1123
00:55:42.480 --> 00:55:45.679
movies and then you know, getting to see someone because

1124
00:55:45.719 --> 00:55:47.599
at this point we've also we've also seen some action

1125
00:55:47.840 --> 00:55:51.079
in uh We've seen the animated series, We've seen Lois

1126
00:55:51.119 --> 00:55:54.719
and Clark, We've seen Smallville, we've seen the Superboy TV show.

1127
00:55:55.400 --> 00:55:57.880
We've seen a lot of different versions of Superman. But

1128
00:55:58.199 --> 00:56:01.400
I don't think we've ever quite gotten the action we

1129
00:56:01.519 --> 00:56:05.440
really really wanted from a big screen Superman like the stuff.

1130
00:56:05.440 --> 00:56:06.639
And I don't want to knock any of the stuff

1131
00:56:06.679 --> 00:56:08.719
Christopher Reeve did because at the time they're doing what

1132
00:56:08.719 --> 00:56:11.719
they've got the capability to do. But when you get

1133
00:56:11.760 --> 00:56:14.679
to this, and this is what I wish the movie

1134
00:56:14.719 --> 00:56:17.639
maybe had had a little bit more of. But when

1135
00:56:17.679 --> 00:56:19.400
you get to this, you get to this plane rescue,

1136
00:56:19.880 --> 00:56:23.039
this is I think everything we had wanted to see

1137
00:56:23.519 --> 00:56:28.159
from a live action Superman. You want to see his strength,

1138
00:56:28.239 --> 00:56:30.199
you want to see his he's got to think through

1139
00:56:30.199 --> 00:56:33.280
this problem. You know, he's got to think at super speed,

1140
00:56:33.360 --> 00:56:36.679
not just react at superspeed as he's saving this plane.

1141
00:56:37.199 --> 00:56:41.480
And there is so much in this I think it's

1142
00:56:41.519 --> 00:56:45.159
barely five minutes in this five minutes of the film.

1143
00:56:45.159 --> 00:56:47.440
There is so much going on, and there's so many

1144
00:56:47.559 --> 00:56:50.559
little things you can pick up on. As he's trying

1145
00:56:50.559 --> 00:56:53.079
to rescue the plane. You're cutting back and forth. You

1146
00:56:53.119 --> 00:56:55.360
get some little character moments with Lois and some of

1147
00:56:55.400 --> 00:56:57.519
the other reporters that are on the plane. You get

1148
00:56:57.599 --> 00:57:00.199
character moments with him as he's trying to, you know,

1149
00:57:00.760 --> 00:57:03.440
save the plane. He's he's got One of the moments

1150
00:57:03.480 --> 00:57:06.639
I love is he's trying to grab the wing of

1151
00:57:06.679 --> 00:57:08.840
the plane. And I think too, this is one of

1152
00:57:08.880 --> 00:57:10.639
the first times you actually get some of the physics

1153
00:57:10.719 --> 00:57:13.760
of Superman, like you can't just grab a plane and

1154
00:57:13.800 --> 00:57:16.440
it'll stop. So he's trying to grab the wing and

1155
00:57:16.480 --> 00:57:19.719
the wing flies off. The little moment I love about

1156
00:57:19.760 --> 00:57:22.599
that is the wing flies off and he looks back

1157
00:57:22.639 --> 00:57:26.079
at it real quick, and in that moment, I'm like, so, now,

1158
00:57:26.239 --> 00:57:28.559
I know some people have issues with Man of Steel

1159
00:57:28.559 --> 00:57:30.119
and how there was a lot of destruction and maybe

1160
00:57:30.159 --> 00:57:31.880
he didn't try to save as many people as he should.

1161
00:57:32.519 --> 00:57:35.639
I like that little moment because I think I don't

1162
00:57:35.639 --> 00:57:38.679
think he's looking back at that wing gone oh well, crap,

1163
00:57:38.719 --> 00:57:40.719
look what happened. I think he's looking back at it

1164
00:57:40.760 --> 00:57:42.440
going where is that gonna fall? And is that gonna

1165
00:57:42.480 --> 00:57:45.280
hit anybody? Nope, Okay, back to the plane. So it's

1166
00:57:45.400 --> 00:57:47.920
just a little like it. It's not spoken. You don't

1167
00:57:47.920 --> 00:57:50.199
even really see his face. You just see and I

1168
00:57:50.199 --> 00:57:53.119
think that's probably the cgi double of Brandon Ralph too,

1169
00:57:53.239 --> 00:57:55.440
like just a quick look back and then he's back

1170
00:57:55.480 --> 00:57:58.480
to the plane. This is also the first time in

1171
00:57:58.519 --> 00:58:01.400
the movie you see him in full costume. So this

1172
00:58:01.519 --> 00:58:02.800
and so this is the big reveal.

1173
00:58:03.920 --> 00:58:04.079
This.

1174
00:58:04.440 --> 00:58:08.679
I think this sets up so much. Even where maybe

1175
00:58:08.760 --> 00:58:10.920
later parts of the movie maybe falter a little bit,

1176
00:58:11.440 --> 00:58:14.599
I think this scene sets up so much goodwill that

1177
00:58:14.719 --> 00:58:16.880
you can kind of ride the coattails of this scene

1178
00:58:16.880 --> 00:58:18.800
for a good portion of the movie, and you're like,

1179
00:58:19.280 --> 00:58:21.800
I love this movie. This is great. You have like

1180
00:58:22.119 --> 00:58:24.239
you I think you had mentioned you have some of

1181
00:58:24.280 --> 00:58:26.159
the stuff where when he does finally save the plane,

1182
00:58:26.480 --> 00:58:27.679
you know, we land it in the middle of the

1183
00:58:27.679 --> 00:58:30.960
baseball field. Everybody's screaming and cheering and having a great time.

1184
00:58:31.559 --> 00:58:34.000
It's the best baseball the best baseball game some of

1185
00:58:34.000 --> 00:58:36.559
these kids I've ever seen. And then you know, he's

1186
00:58:36.559 --> 00:58:40.079
got that comment about you know, statistically speaking, flying is

1187
00:58:40.119 --> 00:58:42.880
still the safest way to travel. It is. It's still

1188
00:58:43.119 --> 00:58:47.920
very much a Christopher Reeve esque Superman it is, you know.

1189
00:58:48.239 --> 00:58:50.920
And the the camera work that has done on this,

1190
00:58:51.000 --> 00:58:54.039
the work they could do now with the you know,

1191
00:58:54.119 --> 00:58:57.000
talking about the the z axis and the depth of

1192
00:58:57.079 --> 00:58:59.119
the shots. You know, you had the X axis and

1193
00:58:59.119 --> 00:59:00.880
the y axis, before you had the left and right,

1194
00:59:00.960 --> 00:59:02.960
you had the up and down. But now you're getting

1195
00:59:02.960 --> 00:59:05.559
these shots being able to see you know, he is

1196
00:59:05.800 --> 00:59:08.599
zooming towards the camera or he is you know this

1197
00:59:08.800 --> 00:59:12.880
this this movement of you know, away from or towards

1198
00:59:12.920 --> 00:59:15.079
the audience into the background, like all of this stuff

1199
00:59:15.079 --> 00:59:18.599
that you couldn't really do before, and they're using that

1200
00:59:18.679 --> 00:59:21.840
CGI sparingly. They're using it just right to do it

1201
00:59:21.880 --> 00:59:23.960
when they need to do it, but then it's practical

1202
00:59:23.960 --> 00:59:26.880
when it needs to be practical. And I just I

1203
00:59:27.280 --> 00:59:29.400
love that. I love the little look Lois gives when

1204
00:59:29.440 --> 00:59:32.639
something flashes past the window and he's been gone for

1205
00:59:32.679 --> 00:59:35.599
five years. There is no hint that he should have

1206
00:59:35.639 --> 00:59:38.320
been coming back at all, and yet the plane's going down,

1207
00:59:38.320 --> 00:59:40.719
something flashes past the window, and that little like sideways

1208
00:59:40.760 --> 00:59:43.920
glance she gives that says more than you need to

1209
00:59:43.960 --> 00:59:48.199
say without any amount of dialogue. There is so much

1210
00:59:48.239 --> 00:59:51.719
said in that scene with no dialogue at all, and

1211
00:59:51.840 --> 00:59:57.599
I think technically storytelling wise, character building, it just it

1212
00:59:57.679 --> 00:59:59.559
is absolutely one of my favorite scenes of the whole movie.

1213
01:00:00.440 --> 01:00:04.840
When you look at the nostalgia that singers trying to

1214
01:00:04.880 --> 01:00:09.679
build from the you know, the connective tissue from from

1215
01:00:09.800 --> 01:00:13.960
Superman Returns to the Donner films. You know you're talking

1216
01:00:13.960 --> 01:00:15.920
about this is the big reveal, right, this is like,

1217
01:00:16.760 --> 01:00:19.239
you know, the first time Lois has seen him, well,

1218
01:00:19.280 --> 01:00:21.719
she's seen him in five years, and you got to

1219
01:00:21.760 --> 01:00:24.320
tie that to like the first time they ever met

1220
01:00:24.360 --> 01:00:26.039
the first time we see the big reveal, you know,

1221
01:00:26.119 --> 01:00:28.800
back in seventy eight, when he saves her from the

1222
01:00:28.800 --> 01:00:30.239
helicopter crash.

1223
01:00:30.320 --> 01:00:33.280
It's that's probably that's a top five.

1224
01:00:33.119 --> 01:00:36.719
Moment in the history of cinema for me. I'm getting

1225
01:00:36.880 --> 01:00:38.679
I'm getting goosebumps just thinking about it.

1226
01:00:38.719 --> 01:00:40.639
But I am too, because I'm sitting here thinking, like

1227
01:00:40.760 --> 01:00:45.159
of the cinematic moments, just that line of I've got you,

1228
01:00:45.159 --> 01:00:45.679
You've got me.

1229
01:00:46.320 --> 01:00:49.960
Who's that you well, it's like, it's it's that script

1230
01:00:50.000 --> 01:00:54.639
is so amazing because you have an iconic line like that,

1231
01:00:54.679 --> 01:00:57.760
But then there's an iconic line like from just a

1232
01:00:57.840 --> 01:01:01.840
Day Player. I always think of the woman he got her.

1233
01:01:01.880 --> 01:01:04.480
I can't believe he just he just got her, even

1234
01:01:04.559 --> 01:01:12.559
like the pimps, Hey jim Oh, it's it's it's amazing.

1235
01:01:12.960 --> 01:01:17.519
And the fact that singer finds a way to take

1236
01:01:17.559 --> 01:01:20.519
a moment like that and build on it and make

1237
01:01:20.599 --> 01:01:25.519
it bigger and bigger, stakes and and still and you're watching,

1238
01:01:25.599 --> 01:01:30.079
you're like, whoa, you know it it's an It's an

1239
01:01:30.119 --> 01:01:30.719
incredible scene.

1240
01:01:30.719 --> 01:01:31.079
I'm glad.

1241
01:01:31.119 --> 01:01:33.960
I'm glad you talked about that one, because I want

1242
01:01:33.960 --> 01:01:37.760
to talk about a scene I don't know that if

1243
01:01:37.760 --> 01:01:41.199
it's the pivotal moment, but I think it might be

1244
01:01:41.199 --> 01:01:44.760
because this is Superman returns, and.

1245
01:01:44.639 --> 01:01:48.360
The whole thing is why is he back? The whole thing.

1246
01:01:49.079 --> 01:01:51.880
You know, she wins the the Pulitzer Prize for writing

1247
01:01:51.880 --> 01:01:54.760
an article why the world doesn't need Superman.

1248
01:01:55.119 --> 01:01:56.480
Right, we've moved on.

1249
01:01:57.519 --> 01:02:00.320
And I want to talk about the scene that I

1250
01:02:00.320 --> 01:02:01.920
think might be the pivot moment.

1251
01:02:02.519 --> 01:02:05.039
And it's it's it's some really good dialogue.

1252
01:02:05.119 --> 01:02:08.559
When he meets her on the roof of the Daily

1253
01:02:08.840 --> 01:02:13.039
Planet and you know, she's she's kind of got some

1254
01:02:13.039 --> 01:02:16.079
some feelings, you know, you know you.

1255
01:02:16.119 --> 01:02:18.760
Left, she's she's a little snarky.

1256
01:02:19.599 --> 01:02:21.480
But he right, he know, he looks at her, He's like,

1257
01:02:21.800 --> 01:02:24.480
you know, he wrote that the world doesn't need a savior,

1258
01:02:25.280 --> 01:02:28.119
but every day I hear people crying for one. And

1259
01:02:28.239 --> 01:02:32.480
in that moment, I feel like he validates his reason

1260
01:02:32.559 --> 01:02:36.119
for being, you know, and kind of puts it to

1261
01:02:36.199 --> 01:02:38.559
you know, challenges are like, yeah, you think I'm not needed,

1262
01:02:38.599 --> 01:02:44.159
but guess what, you know I am. You know, I'm

1263
01:02:44.400 --> 01:02:47.400
I'm I'm needed here, and uh, it's it's a it's

1264
01:02:47.440 --> 01:02:49.920
a powerful bit of dialogue and it's even set up.

1265
01:02:50.039 --> 01:02:53.760
There's a nice little setup whether you know, uh, James

1266
01:02:53.760 --> 01:02:55.199
Marsin's Richard White.

1267
01:02:55.360 --> 01:02:57.599
He's like, does he so if he can he can

1268
01:02:57.639 --> 01:02:58.119
hear everything?

1269
01:02:58.119 --> 01:03:01.440
Does he hear everything like at the same time, or

1270
01:03:01.760 --> 01:03:04.719
she's like yeah, yeah, I yeah, you know, and Clark's

1271
01:03:04.719 --> 01:03:06.599
in the background kind of you know that you get

1272
01:03:06.599 --> 01:03:08.440
that moment of like, that's.

1273
01:03:08.239 --> 01:03:10.559
All you I'll call you know, Superman sixty four. How

1274
01:03:10.559 --> 01:03:11.400
do you think Clark is?

1275
01:03:11.480 --> 01:03:13.960
You know, you know, and she's rattling off his stats,

1276
01:03:15.000 --> 01:03:17.119
you know, yeah, two twenty five sixty four, blah blah blah,

1277
01:03:17.119 --> 01:03:18.480
you know, likes pink.

1278
01:03:18.840 --> 01:03:19.760
Like likes pink. Yeah.

1279
01:03:20.039 --> 01:03:22.159
Love love that moment how it kind of sets up

1280
01:03:22.199 --> 01:03:26.840
their their talk on the on the rooftop. But just

1281
01:03:26.840 --> 01:03:28.440
just a great moment between the two of them, and

1282
01:03:29.039 --> 01:03:30.920
it's one of the better moments I think between the

1283
01:03:30.920 --> 01:03:34.920
two of them in the film. Let's fly through some

1284
01:03:35.039 --> 01:03:37.039
numbers here, John, I know we got we got some

1285
01:03:37.079 --> 01:03:40.039
listeners that love hearing little facts like this, so we won't.

1286
01:03:40.039 --> 01:03:42.840
I won't stay long on them, you know, faster than

1287
01:03:42.880 --> 01:03:47.400
a speeding bullet here, I'll do this. Superman Returns released

1288
01:03:47.480 --> 01:03:50.119
on June twenty first, two thousand and six, with a

1289
01:03:50.559 --> 01:03:53.000
one hundred and fifty four minute runtime that was actually

1290
01:03:53.000 --> 01:03:57.599
trimmed down. Singer shows the film to some trusted friends

1291
01:03:58.079 --> 01:04:00.119
who give him some notes and then he made he

1292
01:04:00.159 --> 01:04:03.599
made his own cut before releasing it.

1293
01:04:03.599 --> 01:04:05.199
It opens to no one's surprise.

1294
01:04:05.320 --> 01:04:08.000
It opens at number one with fifty two point five

1295
01:04:08.119 --> 01:04:11.519
million dollars. Its opening weekend goes on to gross three

1296
01:04:11.559 --> 01:04:13.880
hundred and ninety one million from a budget of two

1297
01:04:13.920 --> 01:04:16.800
hundred and four million, and I think at the time

1298
01:04:16.840 --> 01:04:22.559
it takes over as the biggest five day release, beating

1299
01:04:22.599 --> 01:04:23.719
the Matrix revolutions.

1300
01:04:24.960 --> 01:04:29.320
No surprise. There an IMDb score of six point one

1301
01:04:29.360 --> 01:04:31.039
out of ten. I think it should be a little

1302
01:04:31.079 --> 01:04:31.519
bit higher.

1303
01:04:32.400 --> 01:04:35.760
It is a seventy two percent fresh on Rotten Tomatoes.

1304
01:04:36.559 --> 01:04:40.480
And this one surprises me, John because critics and audiences

1305
01:04:40.480 --> 01:04:43.639
they responded well to this when it first comes out.

1306
01:04:43.639 --> 01:04:46.480
But it receives a B plus grade from audiences pulled

1307
01:04:46.480 --> 01:04:50.239
by cinema score. Don't know what you're you're asking for.

1308
01:04:50.239 --> 01:04:54.440
But yeah, that's because B plus is low for cinema

1309
01:04:54.480 --> 01:04:56.920
score you typically have, especially for a movie like this.

1310
01:04:57.000 --> 01:05:00.360
If you're going to see a Superman movie, yeah, you

1311
01:05:00.400 --> 01:05:03.239
know what you're expecting with a Superman movie, so typically like,

1312
01:05:03.719 --> 01:05:05.400
I feel like the lower scores you get for those

1313
01:05:05.440 --> 01:05:08.360
are gonna be like an anus maybe B plus if

1314
01:05:08.360 --> 01:05:09.039
you weren't happy.

1315
01:05:09.119 --> 01:05:13.639
But yeah, yeah, well at any rate, I know, I

1316
01:05:13.679 --> 01:05:14.760
know we got to take a break.

1317
01:05:15.079 --> 01:05:17.360
I also know we've got something nice.

1318
01:05:18.960 --> 01:05:23.480
In in mind for our Patreon listeners, So come right back.

1319
01:05:23.960 --> 01:05:25.199
We'll start wrapping things up.

1320
01:05:25.280 --> 01:05:29.079
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1321
01:05:29.199 --> 01:05:33.039
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1328
01:05:55.760 --> 01:06:00.960
And what better time because we've got John Reid who's

1329
01:06:00.960 --> 01:06:04.760
gonna supply us with a little extra material for this episode.

1330
01:06:05.320 --> 01:06:07.920
So we'll see you there and if not, we'll see

1331
01:06:07.960 --> 01:06:16.000
you in about ninety seconds. Welcome back. Uh, it is

1332
01:06:16.119 --> 01:06:17.679
time to wrap things up.

1333
01:06:18.519 --> 01:06:18.840
John.

1334
01:06:18.920 --> 01:06:25.039
I'm gonna ask you, if someone watches Superman returns this

1335
01:06:25.199 --> 01:06:26.960
blockbuster of a film.

1336
01:06:26.679 --> 01:06:29.760
And made four hundred million dollars. How successful does that

1337
01:06:29.800 --> 01:06:30.039
have to be?

1338
01:06:30.159 --> 01:06:34.239
Right? Made million dollars? Sorry, no, I haven't.

1339
01:06:34.679 --> 01:06:36.639
But if someone's looking at you, John, and they say, hey,

1340
01:06:36.639 --> 01:06:40.960
look you this this Brian singer guy, I get it.

1341
01:06:41.039 --> 01:06:43.559
He's he's super he does Superman, he's as x Men.

1342
01:06:43.599 --> 01:06:46.800
But is there anything a little more underrated?

1343
01:06:47.280 --> 01:06:47.440
Uh?

1344
01:06:47.519 --> 01:06:49.440
Some kind of like a hidden Jim any kind of

1345
01:06:49.480 --> 01:06:52.880
project you would recommend, whether he's written it, whether he's

1346
01:06:52.920 --> 01:06:57.239
directed it. Maybe he was in it, John, what would

1347
01:06:57.239 --> 01:07:01.119
you recommend for a new Brian's your fan to check out?

1348
01:07:02.039 --> 01:07:04.320
So I one of my one of my all time favorites.

1349
01:07:04.440 --> 01:07:07.280
I mean the X Men movies obviously, like I I

1350
01:07:07.360 --> 01:07:11.800
love his X Men movies. But the one of his

1351
01:07:12.000 --> 01:07:14.239
that and I didn't really I don't think I watched

1352
01:07:14.239 --> 01:07:17.400
this until after I had seen Superman Returns the X

1353
01:07:17.440 --> 01:07:19.760
Men movies. Uh. The one of his that I absolutely

1354
01:07:19.800 --> 01:07:24.039
love is Usual Suspects. Fantastic is such a fantastic movie,

1355
01:07:24.079 --> 01:07:27.519
and I you know that and another one with Kevin Spacey,

1356
01:07:28.519 --> 01:07:30.920
but that that whole twist at the end, Like I'm

1357
01:07:31.000 --> 01:07:33.400
I'm a sucker for a movie that does a twist. Well,

1358
01:07:34.519 --> 01:07:37.519
you know, like your your sixth sense or your usual suspects.

1359
01:07:39.000 --> 01:07:42.239
That is that is outstanding the so I'm gonna say

1360
01:07:42.239 --> 01:07:44.079
that one. I'm also gonna say kind of the weird,

1361
01:07:44.960 --> 01:07:47.760
quirky little one that I have not seen in years,

1362
01:07:47.760 --> 01:07:50.119
but I remember when I did see it, I enjoyed

1363
01:07:50.119 --> 01:07:52.400
it was. Uh he did kind of a bit of

1364
01:07:52.400 --> 01:07:55.239
a remake of the Monsters with Mockingbird Lane.

1365
01:07:55.679 --> 01:07:56.719
Oh yeah, yeah TV.

1366
01:07:57.000 --> 01:07:59.480
Yeah, it was, it was. It was. It was weird,

1367
01:07:59.519 --> 01:08:01.960
it was quirk but it was I like weird and

1368
01:08:02.000 --> 01:08:05.320
querky sometimes. So it has been years since I've seen it,

1369
01:08:05.360 --> 01:08:07.400
but I kind of have some memories of that as like,

1370
01:08:07.440 --> 01:08:11.239
I remember that being pretty fun as a TV movie.

1371
01:08:11.760 --> 01:08:12.639
That's a good one.

1372
01:08:13.079 --> 01:08:16.399
Well, I'm gonna recommend a movie that he did in

1373
01:08:16.439 --> 01:08:19.279
nineteen ninety eight. We actually covered it way back on

1374
01:08:19.319 --> 01:08:23.079
our very first season. Listeners, go back, check that one out.

1375
01:08:23.720 --> 01:08:27.840
But just you know, give us a little little leeway.

1376
01:08:28.159 --> 01:08:30.840
I mean, that's that's season one where we didn't know.

1377
01:08:31.760 --> 01:08:34.840
We didn't know about audio quality, John, We didn't. We

1378
01:08:34.840 --> 01:08:38.319
were learning, we were finding our way. But film called

1379
01:08:38.359 --> 01:08:42.079
apt Pupil, which it's a psychological thriller that he directed

1380
01:08:42.119 --> 01:08:47.119
with Brian that he's directed had brad Renfrow and sir Ian.

1381
01:08:47.000 --> 01:08:47.640
McKellan in it.

1382
01:08:48.039 --> 01:08:49.920
Yes, really cool movie.

1383
01:08:49.960 --> 01:08:53.079
It's based off of Stephen King novella from I Think This,

1384
01:08:53.199 --> 01:08:57.359
I Think that one's in different seasons. They I'll give

1385
01:08:57.359 --> 01:09:00.119
you a fun fact here, just a quick plug for

1386
01:09:00.119 --> 01:09:04.319
apped pupil. They originally intended to make that film in

1387
01:09:04.399 --> 01:09:10.600
nineteen eighty four and James Mason was in the role

1388
01:09:10.720 --> 01:09:15.000
that sir Ian McKellen took on, but production halts because

1389
01:09:15.239 --> 01:09:17.399
he dies of a heart attack before filming.

1390
01:09:17.720 --> 01:09:21.399
Oh wow, So they say, okay, let's.

1391
01:09:21.119 --> 01:09:24.640
Talk to Richard Burton, and while Burton is in talks

1392
01:09:24.680 --> 01:09:29.600
to replace James Mason, he too dies from a cerebral hemorrhage.

1393
01:09:29.680 --> 01:09:32.720
And at that point they're like, okay, we're just put

1394
01:09:32.760 --> 01:09:34.680
on the shelf. We'll try again a couple of years.

1395
01:09:34.800 --> 01:09:38.760
So John, I look, I know we are two of

1396
01:09:38.760 --> 01:09:42.319
the biggest fans of Superman. Our bias dictates that we're

1397
01:09:42.319 --> 01:09:46.760
going to recommend Superman returns am I correct and saying that, yeah.

1398
01:09:46.479 --> 01:09:48.399
All right, yeah, it's it's I mean, it definitely has

1399
01:09:48.399 --> 01:09:50.239
its flaws, and there's there's a couple of things here

1400
01:09:50.239 --> 01:09:53.800
and there, but it's I would not skip over this

1401
01:09:53.880 --> 01:09:55.279
one at all.

1402
01:09:55.319 --> 01:09:59.760
And let's be fair, is there a Superman or Superman

1403
01:09:59.840 --> 01:10:04.600
a jacent film that you wouldn't recommend. It's a tough

1404
01:10:04.600 --> 01:10:06.960
call for for us, but I just wanted to see,

1405
01:10:07.439 --> 01:10:08.479
and it's okay to say.

1406
01:10:08.319 --> 01:10:12.359
No, probably not. I'm and I want to preface this

1407
01:10:12.439 --> 01:10:14.840
by saying I'm not. I know there's there's a lot

1408
01:10:14.840 --> 01:10:18.800
of stuff online about, you know, bringing back the Snyder

1409
01:10:18.880 --> 01:10:20.960
Verse and all that other stuff. I'm I am not

1410
01:10:21.079 --> 01:10:22.880
one of them bring back the Snyder Verse people. But

1411
01:10:23.720 --> 01:10:27.600
I will say, having watched and enjoyed, having watched and

1412
01:10:27.680 --> 01:10:31.920
enjoyed the original Justice League, I also have a copy

1413
01:10:32.000 --> 01:10:35.479
of Zack Snyder's Justice League, and awesome, that is the

1414
01:10:35.560 --> 01:10:38.439
version I will watch from now on. In fact, I'm

1415
01:10:38.479 --> 01:10:40.840
not even sure where my Justice League copy is, but

1416
01:10:40.920 --> 01:10:43.880
I know exactly where my Zack Snyder's Justice League copy is.

1417
01:10:43.920 --> 01:10:44.760
That's the one.

1418
01:10:45.319 --> 01:10:49.760
So I maybe maybe the ones that I wouldn't recommend

1419
01:10:49.960 --> 01:10:52.600
would be the ones that are maybe older versions where

1420
01:10:52.600 --> 01:10:55.000
we've now gotten an update and we have a different

1421
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version of it. Maybe the original Justice League, even even

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01:11:00.399 --> 01:11:04.520
a weird, weird movie like Quest for Peace, is still

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01:11:04.560 --> 01:11:05.239
worth watching.

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It's still fun, even Supergirl, Supergirl still fun to watch.

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01:11:09.760 --> 01:11:12.159
Oh yeah, oh yeah. I know it's an awful movie,

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01:11:12.159 --> 01:11:16.920
but it's I love watching. I'm I've had one or

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01:11:16.920 --> 01:11:19.560
two people at different points in time have given me

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01:11:19.600 --> 01:11:22.640
the title of defender of the filth, and so I am.

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01:11:23.079 --> 01:11:26.319
I am willing to take that title and defend even

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01:11:26.319 --> 01:11:30.000
some really bad stuff. I'll even argue the Bollywood Superman

1431
01:11:30.079 --> 01:11:32.079
movie that came out in nineteen eighty seven, it's worth

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01:11:32.079 --> 01:11:35.239
a watch. Does it make any sense at all? No?

1433
01:11:35.600 --> 01:11:40.119
Does it have some fun dance sequences. Absolutely? Yes, yeah.

1434
01:11:40.720 --> 01:11:44.680
Look, you could join John Reid in Chicago for some

1435
01:11:45.399 --> 01:11:47.119
deep dish Chicago style pizza.

1436
01:11:47.239 --> 01:11:47.920
Oh absolutely.

1437
01:11:47.960 --> 01:11:50.680
And that's that's that's that's that's top dollar, right, That's

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01:11:50.760 --> 01:11:53.600
that's that's living it up. And you can also go

1439
01:11:53.680 --> 01:11:55.960
to your local grocery store and you can buy a

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01:11:56.000 --> 01:11:56.800
microwave pizza.

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01:11:57.720 --> 01:12:00.439
At the end of the day, it's you're gonna enjoy it, right.

1442
01:12:00.680 --> 01:12:01.560
I feel like that's how it is.

1443
01:12:01.560 --> 01:12:05.159
A Superman even a bad Superman movie is a good time.

1444
01:12:05.359 --> 01:12:09.079
So this one, like all the super I think it's

1445
01:12:09.119 --> 01:12:11.319
I think it's every Superman title.

1446
01:12:11.680 --> 01:12:14.880
They're all streaming on HBO Max on the DC.

1447
01:12:16.720 --> 01:12:19.239
Tab or channel or whatever whatever the streamer calls it.

1448
01:12:19.720 --> 01:12:22.039
But it's there to check out.

1449
01:12:23.199 --> 01:12:26.560
We hope you will continue to check out not only

1450
01:12:26.560 --> 01:12:29.680
the A Film By Podcast, but the thirty something Movie

1451
01:12:29.680 --> 01:12:33.800
Podcast if you have not done so yet. Next time

1452
01:12:33.880 --> 01:12:36.920
on a Film Buy, we'll be talking about that other

1453
01:12:37.359 --> 01:12:41.119
superhero sequel of two thousand and six starring James Marsden,

1454
01:12:41.960 --> 01:12:46.239
talking about Brett Ratner's X Men, The Last Stand. If

1455
01:12:46.239 --> 01:12:49.319
you've seen it, how would you summarize it in exactly

1456
01:12:49.560 --> 01:12:52.159
five words? You can go to a film by podcast

1457
01:12:52.159 --> 01:12:54.920
dot com give us your answer, or email us at

1458
01:12:54.920 --> 01:12:57.560
a film by Podcast at gmail dot com. If we

1459
01:12:57.680 --> 01:12:59.479
use your five words synopsis on the show, we will

1460
01:12:59.479 --> 01:13:02.359
definitely show you out and we will give you We'll

1461
01:13:02.399 --> 01:13:04.960
send you some of that A Film by swag. And

1462
01:13:05.600 --> 01:13:09.399
please join us on all the social media channels, especially YouTube,

1463
01:13:09.439 --> 01:13:13.720
where we are now doing our previously on limited series

1464
01:13:13.720 --> 01:13:16.439
with with Garrett Gibson talking about some of our favorite

1465
01:13:16.439 --> 01:13:21.359
television shows and yours. We love the comments we're seeing

1466
01:13:21.399 --> 01:13:24.119
on YouTube. We love the interaction, so keep that up.

1467
01:13:24.119 --> 01:13:26.880
If you have not done so, check it out, hit like,

1468
01:13:27.000 --> 01:13:31.520
hit subscribe. We are happy to have you there. John,

1469
01:13:31.840 --> 01:13:35.439
I want to thank you again. What's a thirty something

1470
01:13:35.479 --> 01:13:38.760
movie podcast? What do you guys got? What's coming at us?

1471
01:13:38.880 --> 01:13:40.439
Can we can we get a little preview?

1472
01:13:40.880 --> 01:13:44.159
Yeah? Yeah. So we So we're in nineteen ninety six

1473
01:13:44.319 --> 01:13:46.159
right now, so we're in the we're in the middle

1474
01:13:46.159 --> 01:13:48.439
of that. We started off the year with like Mission Impossible,

1475
01:13:48.560 --> 01:13:52.479
Multiplicity the Phantom, So that was that was how we

1476
01:13:52.560 --> 01:13:56.119
kicked off the year. And then lately we're kind of

1477
01:13:56.159 --> 01:14:00.079
we're jumping into summertime now and we just got done

1478
01:14:00.119 --> 01:14:05.600
with we had well, we had here's a weird lineup

1479
01:14:05.640 --> 01:14:07.600
for you. We ended the month of March that was

1480
01:14:07.600 --> 01:14:09.680
our four kids month, and then we rolled into April,

1481
01:14:09.720 --> 01:14:12.279
which is are definitely not for kids month, So back

1482
01:14:12.319 --> 01:14:14.880
to back weeks. We had Matilda at the end of March,

1483
01:14:14.920 --> 01:14:16.960
and then we had Bound at the beginning of April.

1484
01:14:17.760 --> 01:14:21.199
So I want to talk about like a little bit

1485
01:14:21.199 --> 01:14:24.840
of whiplash in terms of what kind of movies we're watching,

1486
01:14:25.119 --> 01:14:27.800
a little bit of whiplash there. We had a lot

1487
01:14:27.800 --> 01:14:30.000
of fun in the month of May. We were doing

1488
01:14:30.800 --> 01:14:36.159
because there's oddly enough, there are four movies in nineteen

1489
01:14:36.199 --> 01:14:40.439
ninety six that feature future Phantom Menace actors, and so

1490
01:14:40.600 --> 01:14:44.880
May we called pre prequel parts and we did train

1491
01:14:45.000 --> 01:14:48.720
Spotting with Ean McGregor, We did Mars Attacks with Natalie Portman,

1492
01:14:49.319 --> 01:14:51.760
we did Jingle All the Way with Jake Lloyd, and

1493
01:14:51.800 --> 01:14:53.760
we did a Time to Kill with Samuel L. Jackson,

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01:14:54.520 --> 01:14:56.159
so that it was a lot of fun.

1495
01:14:57.000 --> 01:14:59.720
We we missed out on Time to Kill when we

1496
01:14:59.720 --> 01:15:02.159
did our limited ninety six, and I was like, it's fine,

1497
01:15:02.920 --> 01:15:03.600
they're gonna hit it.

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01:15:03.600 --> 01:15:05.680
They're gonna I mean, I love, I love, I'm loving all.

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01:15:05.600 --> 01:15:08.720
Of them from ninety six obviously, but I was a

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01:15:08.760 --> 01:15:11.279
big fan of the Mars Attacks one. Definitely big fan

1501
01:15:11.319 --> 01:15:12.960
of the Time to Kill one. So thank you for

1502
01:15:13.000 --> 01:15:13.680
what you guys do.

1503
01:15:14.239 --> 01:15:17.640
It is it's just awesome. We're I mean, okay, so

1504
01:15:17.680 --> 01:15:18.520
I know you're I know you're.

1505
01:15:18.760 --> 01:15:20.399
You guys are one of the ogs, like you're like

1506
01:15:20.439 --> 01:15:23.800
you mentioned like, hey, but what the hell's the podcast?

1507
01:15:24.039 --> 01:15:26.079
You guys been in the game for a while, like

1508
01:15:26.119 --> 01:15:29.039
the godfathers of this thing? Are you on all the

1509
01:15:29.079 --> 01:15:29.960
social media channels?

1510
01:15:30.000 --> 01:15:32.520
Website? Can you tell us real quick? How do we like?

1511
01:15:32.560 --> 01:15:34.279
Where are we finding you everywhere?

1512
01:15:34.920 --> 01:15:39.039
Yeah? Pretty much? We are ebbs and flows on some

1513
01:15:39.079 --> 01:15:41.039
of the socials. We're kind of we're trying to decide

1514
01:15:41.039 --> 01:15:42.960
if how much of the socials we're gonna keep doing,

1515
01:15:43.000 --> 01:15:44.239
or if we're going to kind of shift over to

1516
01:15:44.520 --> 01:15:46.680
focusing a little bit more on like a newsletter where

1517
01:15:46.680 --> 01:15:48.199
we can get a little bit more some like long

1518
01:15:48.239 --> 01:15:50.439
form stuff. I've got a couple of people that may

1519
01:15:50.439 --> 01:15:52.960
want to contribute to some of that, so we're kind

1520
01:15:52.960 --> 01:15:54.359
of we're kind of back and forth on that a

1521
01:15:54.359 --> 01:15:58.680
little bit. But if we are on the socials Blue Sky, Twitter, Facebook,

1522
01:15:59.000 --> 01:16:02.319
all those Instagram, those different spots at three zero podcast,

1523
01:16:02.880 --> 01:16:05.399
if you go to our website though, three zero theWord

1524
01:16:05.439 --> 01:16:08.319
podcast dot com that has all the links to any

1525
01:16:08.319 --> 01:16:10.560
of the social media spots that we're on. So we're

1526
01:16:11.239 --> 01:16:14.560
varying degrees of activity on the socials. Right now, we'll

1527
01:16:14.600 --> 01:16:16.760
always post up the new episodes and everything else on there,

1528
01:16:16.800 --> 01:16:19.479
but we're kind of we're trying to kind of look

1529
01:16:19.520 --> 01:16:21.359
at what the future looks like like are we going

1530
01:16:21.399 --> 01:16:23.840
to shift over and spend a little bit more dedicated

1531
01:16:23.880 --> 01:16:27.239
time on would we get some more traction with a

1532
01:16:27.279 --> 01:16:30.199
newsletter or are we going to stick to, you know,

1533
01:16:30.199 --> 01:16:32.039
sharing it out on the socials. So it's kind of

1534
01:16:32.239 --> 01:16:34.039
head to the website. That's the best place to get

1535
01:16:34.039 --> 01:16:35.319
a hold of where our stuff is.

1536
01:16:36.039 --> 01:16:38.399
Right. We will link the website on our show notes.

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01:16:38.760 --> 01:16:41.000
People check that out so you can find it.

1538
01:16:42.520 --> 01:16:44.199
Again. John, I want to thank you.

1539
01:16:44.560 --> 01:16:48.439
I've had a I've been looking forward for a while,

1540
01:16:49.199 --> 01:16:51.439
not only just having you on the Film By podcast,

1541
01:16:51.520 --> 01:16:54.680
but if there was an opportunity to have a Superman

1542
01:16:54.800 --> 01:16:59.399
discussion with you, and you know, I would have shared

1543
01:17:00.119 --> 01:17:03.119
the opportunity with any of our buddies or any of

1544
01:17:03.119 --> 01:17:06.319
our our co hosts, but this was a rare treat

1545
01:17:06.359 --> 01:17:09.680
for me to have the great John Reid all to myself,

1546
01:17:09.720 --> 01:17:11.199
Superman fan, a Superman fan.

1547
01:17:11.680 --> 01:17:14.159
And and can I and can I spoil something real quick?

1548
01:17:14.359 --> 01:17:14.640
Please?

1549
01:17:14.720 --> 01:17:17.479
Yeah? I think I think I can spoil this anybody

1550
01:17:17.600 --> 01:17:20.880
who's listening to this in or near October. I think

1551
01:17:20.880 --> 01:17:24.079
you're going to join us for an episode in October. Yes,

1552
01:17:24.840 --> 01:17:28.359
I think we're gonna get We're gonna get Batman versus Joerel.

1553
01:17:28.760 --> 01:17:30.760
Mm hmmm yeah, yeah, yeah.

1554
01:17:30.920 --> 01:17:33.600
I I was thrilled when I was like, hey, you

1555
01:17:33.840 --> 01:17:36.399
sent that out, and I was like, how about yeah, yeah,

1556
01:17:36.479 --> 01:17:38.279
we'll leave it at Batman versus Jirell, but.

1557
01:17:38.880 --> 01:17:39.960
We'll let the people figure it out.

1558
01:17:40.319 --> 01:17:42.439
But yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll tell you what you figured

1559
01:17:42.439 --> 01:17:44.760
it out, you you write it, I'll send you one

1560
01:17:44.800 --> 01:17:45.399
of our T shirts.

1561
01:17:45.399 --> 01:17:45.840
How about that.

1562
01:17:46.279 --> 01:17:48.079
There you go. Boom uh.

1563
01:17:48.159 --> 01:17:51.000
But to all of you out there listening to the show,

1564
01:17:51.319 --> 01:17:55.279
following us on social media, subscribing to YouTube, supporting us

1565
01:17:55.319 --> 01:17:57.520
on Patreon, especially as.

1566
01:17:57.479 --> 01:18:00.000
An episode like this it had a it's just packed

1567
01:18:00.119 --> 01:18:04.680
full of Patreon extra stuff. We thank you and we'll

1568
01:18:04.680 --> 01:18:05.359
see you next time.

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01:18:06.840 --> 01:18:14.119
M hmmm.