March 16, 2025

Catherine Hardwicke - Lords of Dogtown

Catherine Hardwicke - Lords of Dogtown
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Season 6A Film By...

To celebrate it's 20th anniversary, we're pulling a classic from our vault! Jeff and Brad talk about the film's groundbreaking visual style, as well as the rising skateboard culture of 1970s California, as real-life skate legends Tony Alva, Stacy Peralta, and Jay Adams come to life in Catherine Hardwicke's 2005 film, Lords of Dogtown!

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Brad. I was curious. You and I met in high school.

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So before we met, were you a bmxer, were you

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a skater or were you both?

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I guess I was more of a bmxer type of guy.

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So did you But did you skate? Like, did you

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have a skateboard? Did you do any skateboarding?

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Briefly after saying Back to the Future.

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That is quite a coincidence about it, really, I'll be honest.

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I remember my mom and dad taking us, me and

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my brother to see Back to the Future nineteen eighty five,

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and immediately following the movie theater the Showcase Cinemas, they

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took a straight to Toys r Us where we got

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our very first Madrid Volterra skateboards, which is what Martin McFly. Yeah,

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that's the skateboard that Martin McFly was on. I'll be honest,

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thinking back to the tricks I could do and the

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skills that I had, I was not a skateboarder for

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very long. I wasn't that I wasn't that good. Yeah,

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but the movie that we're talking about today definitely has

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some good skaters. Uh, one would say they have we

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it's it's about the pioneer of of the skateboarding scene,

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wouldn't you agree? I do agree, Brad. Let's talk about

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a film by Catherine Hardwick, her her two thousand and

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five drama Lords of Dogtown. Yeah, hello everybody, and welcome

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back to the Film By podcast. I am Jeff Johnson.

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And I am Brad Kozer, and today.

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We are continuing on with Women's History Month. Right, Yeah,

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we're talking about Catherine Hardwick. M Brad. Not a lot

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of not a big filmography Forwick, not yet, right mh.

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Well you say not yet, but I'm wondering when because

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she's done some good stuff, but but we want.

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More, right yeah, I mean's just waiting for the right

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kind of project.

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All right, So we you know, we talked about projects

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on this on this podcast. I know last year, Uh,

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you definitely threw several uh films that me that you said, hey,

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let's talk about this director and this is the movie

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that I want to talk about and I had never

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seen them, which is always fun when you go into

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a to get ready for one of these episodes when

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you haven't seen the film. And this time though, you

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know we're talking about Katherine Hardwick. I said, Brad, we

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have got we absolutely have got to talk about Lords

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of Dogtown and you kind of were like, what, who

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this was your first time seeing it? Right?

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Yeah, my first time seeing it? YEA.

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All right, I'm gonna go ahead and now let's get

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it out of the way. Right now. Tell me what

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you thought of it.

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What I thought of the film. I love the way

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she shoots, the way she films sings. But I have

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to say, all in all, I was not a big

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fan of this film.

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That surprises me, you know.

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And another thing too, is because we talked about it earlier.

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I'm not a big skateboarding person, so I think the

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enthusiasm for wanting to enjoy it more or really really

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enjoying those kind of elements, you know, take somebody like

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me out of it. But I still was able to

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follow a movie. I just I feel that the movie

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had some some issues that could have been resolved to

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make it a little bit more entertaining.

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Okay, I got I'm gonna have to ask you about

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them a little bit more as we go on. But

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you know, there was some great stuff that came out

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in two thousand and five, and two thousand and five

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is a great year for movie. It was a great

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year for movies. And I'm gonna tell you right now

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because this is gonna be one of those ones. This

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is gonna be an episode where we butt heads a

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little bit. I think. I think this is one of

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the better films of two thousand and five. I absolutely

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love it. To your point, her visual style, and it's

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not just in Lord's Dogtown, but the color palette that

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she uses. Yes, almost she almost does her films. She

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almost gives him a documentary look. Yeah, and this is

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you know, this movie, this is a period piece because

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it it opens up in Venice, California, nineteen seventy five,

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where they're at Pacific Ocean Park Pier, you know, the

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z Boys of a Dogtown. So I love the fact

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that it has that nostalgic look to it. Yeah, you know.

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I mean when you see something that takes place, you know,

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in another time period, something like the sixties or the seventies,

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and you have this, you know, great beautiful four K

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you know type of picture that's beautiful, but to maybe

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feel the grittier, dirtier look, to really feel like just

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somebody is carrying around, you know, a sixteen millimeter camera

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and filming these guys makes it a little bit more

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you're a little bit more involved.

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Yeah. Now there's a there's a very popular documentary, Z

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Boys in Dogtown, and I know this film is kind

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of like a companion piece to that, and that's why

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she gave it that that documentary.

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Look, the documentary came out first, right.

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It did. Okay, Yeah, but I think you know the

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movie it has that grainy, gritty seventies look to it,

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but it's also gorgeous to see, which is ironic because

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at this time, you know, Venice, California, it was you know,

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Dogtown was because you know, it was nicknamed Dogtown because

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it was kind of like a ghetto, like a slum.

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Yeah.

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Now, I mean this is this is your backyard now.

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So my question to you, you know, you talk about

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you know, period pieces and seeing what they look like.

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Watching it, you know, did you least see like hey,

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you know, because you someone like you probably sees every

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location in the film and knows right where.

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They're at, right some of them. Yeah, But if you

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notice that she keeps she keeps the camera very tight,

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and she keeps it very moving, I think to just

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kind of keep the pace of the skateboarders. You're never

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really stopped in this movie, you don't stop moving. Even

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when a scene when there's no skateboarding going on, I

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really feel like the camera is moving. So you don't

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have a lot of time to focus on this round.

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I mean, you can notice little things like, oh, there's

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that restaurant and stuff like that. But obviously some of

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the stuff with the destruction of you know, the pier

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and stuff like that, it doesn't exist. They had to

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recreate that. I can't remember if that was filmed here

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in Los Angeles or not, but I like how she

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keeps it more contained. But you still feel that beach

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open area. You definitely feel that behind the alley way

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of the beach houses of venice boardwalk type of thing

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where you can jump from house to house type of thing.

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You know, those houses still look like that there. Okay, uh,

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but the only problem is now that's prime real estate.

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It's no longer the ghetto, right, No, it is no

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longer the ghetto.

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Yeah. Well, this movie it's all about, you know you're

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talking about like her ability to keep the shots tight

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and especially on her actors when they're when they're in motion.

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The one thing that I love about the cinematography on

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these tight shots because these this is about surfers discovering,

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not discovering, but this is about surfers creating the sport

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of skateboarding as we know it today. Right, So when

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they're on their boards, it's I mean, she it's shot

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like their surfing. Yeah, and that's you know, and I

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get the whole thing with like the the uh, the

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the poly eurotheane wheels and how you know, uh Zephyr

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kind of revolutionized everything. But the shots, like when they're

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when they're down and they're tight and they're coming up

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out of the pools or they're they're jumping, it's gorgeous looking.

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Even if we're like that documentary Grainy, it feels it

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almost feels like it is a documentary, you know when I.

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Watch it and then going through like the uh you know,

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the pier and stuff like that, going underneath that servce,

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that's dangerous stuff.

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I'll just say, because yeah, again, this is this is you.

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This is this is right in your wheelhouse. So that's

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that's a real shoppy area. Yeah right, that's that's a

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dangerous spout to be I thought.

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Yeah, I mean, and the key to it once they

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discover these wheels, these new wheels, that are going to

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allow all these things that they wish they could do,

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the kind of things that they do on their surfboard

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that they want to be able to do on their

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skateboard are now going to be possible. And knowing that that, okay,

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we're now onto something that's be careful, it's gonna it's

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gonna spread like wildfires, and it really I guess I

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don't know when it started to really really start to

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get big big, but it was. I mean, this definitely

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shows that, hey, this is where it all started. Guy

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walked into a a Zephyr shop and said, check out

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these wheels. This is going to change everything.

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The guy that walks into uh skips before and not

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to get ahead of ourselves, but Skip who's brilliantly portrayed

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by the late Heath Ledger. Dude walks in with the

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new Eurothine wheels and basically is like, these will make

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your skateboards like surfboards, you know, and the guys are

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they all get excited. Did you happen to catch who

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that was?

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That is Mitch Hedgeberg and his last ever performance?

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That is Mitch Hedberg. I it's a blink and you

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miss it cameo, but he has such a unique voice,

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you know, it's him, you know. Yeah, So we're talking

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about and this is obviously it's just the movie is

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inspired by a true story based kind of off the documentary.

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We're talking about Jay Adams, Tony Alva, and Stacy Peralta,

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who these are the three guys that created the sport

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of skateboarding. It just didn't really, it didn't exist until

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they came along in nineteen seventy f and tore up

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these competitions. You know. Uh, I think one of my

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one of the movie, one of the moments in the movie,

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I like that's early on, uh, when when Skip kind

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of creates Zephyr competition. The team and they go to

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what is it the uh the Bond Cadillac Nationals in Delmar, California. Yeah,

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in seventy five, and you got these these guys. He's

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just like these lay mass guys out there doing tricks. Well,

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I'll just say tricks that I could do, tricks really

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Oh yeah, they were doing stuff I could easily do

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on my Voltaire skateboard. And the judges are like, okay,

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eight seven point five.

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Yeah.

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Well then the z boys get out there and they

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start doing these amazing things and I love the uh

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the announcer he's like, uh, that we've never seen that before.

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I don't know what do we call that? Yeah, and

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they you know, like Jay is the first one up

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and they're astounded. But but he gets a low score

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because they don't even know how to The guy's like,

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how do we score this? He didn't do any wheelies,

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he didn't do He names all these stupid ass you know,

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tricks that your little sister could do, and they're like,

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I don't know. And then you know, quickly like within

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that that contest, do z boys have arrived. I think

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that's it's like their moment where you know, they look

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up to the surfers, they want to be surfers. They're

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good on their skateboards. This is the moment in the

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movie early on where they've arrived and they they kind

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of become rock stars every night. Yeah, what did you

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think about the performances for Jay, Tony and Stacey. You

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got you've got one name actor Emil Hirsch who plays

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who plays Jay Adams and plays him really well, I

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gotta say, And then you got Victor Rossuk playing Tony

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and John Robinson playing Stacy, you haven't seen these guys

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anywhere else. So what did you I mean, what did

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you think about their their performances?

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Well, I was gonna ask you, with the exception of

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Emil hersh Victor and John, where they skateboarders or actors? First?

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He was going to ask you, I I'm pretty sure

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they were actors who learned how to skate.

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Okay, because I mean the film was written by Stacy Parlotta.

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Yeah, yeah, so yeah he could. I mean, Paralta is

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one of these people that he did his time in

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the sport and then you know, like any good athlete

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who wants to stay in the game, they find a

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way to you know, stay relevant. You know, he he

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creates his own he created he went on to create

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his own company, right and they even allude to that

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at the end of this movie. You know, he's a

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guy I'm starting my own company. Uh power Peralta as

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the company that he started, the team that he started,

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which a lot of people, a lot of people that

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aren't you know, big into skateboarding. Uh don't know this,

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but one of his earliest proteges was a fourteen year

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old Tony Hawk. Yeah, and we all know who Tony

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Hawk is.

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So you catch a brief still of him in this.

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Movie, Yeah, a little cameo is an astronaut of all things. Yeah,

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but it's funny to think because like we grew up

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knowing Tony Hawk was. He was the king of skateboarding. Yeah.

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There is no Tony Hawk without Stacy Peralta, Right. So

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it's things like that that that made me appreciate this movie. Yeah,

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all them.

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Yeah, because they said he was working with him when

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Tony Hawk was fourteen.

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Yeah.

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So as far as the performances in it, John who

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played Stacy, I thought was really good. But the other

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guys I just I don't think it was their performances.

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I just found every one of them just very unlikable.

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They came off very just everybody came off really really pompous.

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Really punks. Yeah they are you you get that, uh, Tony.

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This is what I like about Victor Rassak's performance as

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Tony Alva. He is very pompous. He's very conceded, uh

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you know, and he he lives that that rock star

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type life, and you know, and he wants it. He's like,

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I want it now, I want it all, you know.

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Because they go from just being passionate about skateboarding to

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wanting deals and cars and you know, magazine covers and

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all this other stuff, which is you know, which takes

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me back to like one of the main reasons I

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like this movie so much is it's all about friendship

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and the the different paths that you're that your close

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friends will take, and your struggle to stay relevant in

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their world. You know, because this is a good crew,

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you know, the Zephyr team is is unstoppable. But you know,

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it's not too long before guys like uh Topper played

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by the play by Johnny Knoxville in a really sleazy role. Yeah,

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it's not too long before agents and other other people

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come in and break up the team, promising them like, oh,

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I'm gonna give you big paydays and and all this stuff.

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You know, you got someone, Yeah, go ahead.

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Yeah, I mean, they're they're marketable. They're very they're they're

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very marketable, you know what I mean. So they knew

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they had to grab onto this like right away. So

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but the characters did invent these, you know, certain kind

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of skateboarder ways, so they were very well entitled to

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those royalties, you know, because they they were the uh

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you know they started it.

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Yeah, well it's it's one of those things where it's like, okay,

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you know Heath Ledger's Skip. You know, he gives them,

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he puts them on the team, he gets them into

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the competitions, he gives them their their their their boards,

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their wheels. He fund he fund, Yeah, he is. He

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he's their benefactor. But they're not making money, you know.

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And it's one of those things like your your where's

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your your loyalty? You know, because someone like someone like Stacy,

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you know, who I would say of the of the

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main three, he's got to be who you think, who

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you say is the most likable you know, yes, absolutely,

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he's a good kid. He and he's loyal to Skip.

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You know, he's like, hey, you know, I want to

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be on the team and I want to do good.

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And you know, he's always got the he's always got

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there that that family vibe at at the heart of it. Yeah,

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you know where the other two are like I want money,

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I want girls, I want yeah, I want it all.

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You know. There's one guy that we're not that we

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haven't talked about though, uh Michael h Eric Garrand he

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plays sid the the one the one friend who he's

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he's not good, but he's got he's got medical problems.

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I I gotta say, Sid is the heart of the team.

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He's the heart of the of the friendships, would you.

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Agree, I think at times yeah, But then a lot

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of times he's dismissed. I think in the in the

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middle of the film, so you kind of lose I

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feel like I lost track of him a little bit.

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Well, he's a tragic character because it's one of those

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things where it's like you feel bad for him, Like

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he's the little brother that gets picked on, right, But

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you know, hey, I can pick on my little brother,

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but I can't because the one time someone else messes

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with Sid, you know, and he ends up wrecking on

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a skateboard, Jay completely wrecks that kid up, and he's like,

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you know, he's like, dude, he's like and Jay like

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defends him immediately. Yeah, you know, it says, hey, he's

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got that condition he you know, with his equilibriatement. Don't

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don't mess with him, you know. So they're protective of Sid. Yeah,

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they're they're dismissive, but they're also protective.

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Yeah, and well, I mean, we obviously got to.

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Talk about Skip. Let's talk about Skip. Okay, so this

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is the same year that Heath Ledger does Broke Back Mountain.

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He does like four movies I think, if I'm not mistaken,

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he did Cava that year. Also, Yeah, he had like.

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A little bit of what I guess would call like

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a dry spell after you know, the kind of did

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what was it The Patriot? Then Knight's Tale and a

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Monster's Ball and then he did some movies that just

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didn't catch yea, and people thought he was kind of

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down and out. And in two thousand and five he

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starts to get noticed with this film, and then people

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start talking about Heath Ledger the actor as opposed to

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the Heath Ledger the movie star.

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So let me ask this now, people that knew that

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know the real Skip have have just hailed Ledger's performance

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as hauntingly accurate. His mannerisms, his speech, his his his

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movement everything. He basically became Skip this two thousand and five.

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This is a couple of years before he becomes the

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joker right in Christopher Nolan's Batman movies. Watching this now,

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and you know you didn't see this before you saw

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The Dark Knight. Do you see as a fair to

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say that you see some seeds of the joker in

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his performance of Skip a little bit.

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But what I saw a lot of was Valcomer's Jim

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Morrison performance. Oh wow, I felt Yes, at certain times,

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I'm like, I feel like a lot of times he

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was doing certain even scenes with his glasses and the

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way he was doing his harroor was like he could

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be Jim Morrison.

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Is is Skip like a Jim Morrison joker? I mean

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he kin, he kind of is. Man, I didn't even

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think about it. I didn't think about that. Now I

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can't not think about that. He definitely embodies some Valcilmer

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Morrison for sure.

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Especially on the scene where he's on top of the

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surf shop. Oh gosh, ya wowed out drunk?

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Yeah? Uh, Skip is he's a sad character because and

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I don't I mean that in a in a way

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like your heart breaks for him, kind of like you

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kind of like was said. But one thing about Skip

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is we we were introduced to him and he seems invincible,

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right like the first time you see him. You know

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all these all the you know the three you know, Jay,

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Tony and Stacey there there it's four am. They're sneaking out.

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They're they're on their way to catch the waves, and

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the Z boys do not allow that, you know, and

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they basically it's like, hey, you're on, you're on police patrol,

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you're on you're in the boneyard, you're on the you know,

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they have to earn their keep. They have to they

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have to earn the right to ride these waves. And

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and uh and Skip just seems you know, he's the king,

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right because even Stacy, like it's when it's Stacy's turn,

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Stacey wipes out almost immediately, and he's like, hey, back

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to the boneyard for you pal, you know, just cuts

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them off, doesn't even get another shot. So you're like, man,

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this guy he must be pretty good. You know, he

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owns the shop, you know, the Zephyr Zephyr Sa surfboard shop.

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But then you see like he's he's used, right. Yeah,

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His buddies are all like, hey, we'll work when we

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want to work, We'll surf when we want to surf.

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And you know, he's trying to build something, but no

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one's giving him the support, is how I got it.

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But he he has a fun time party as much

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of himself as well. So did you notice all work

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and no play.

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Well, i'll tell you what retail is definitely not for

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Skip because that that opening scene where the the rich

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looking the surfer, they were just browsing. Yeah, the browsing guy,

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you know, he's a poser. Let's just call it what

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it is. Uh, you know, he's like, hey, this is

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not a library man. You you know you got money,

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and he's like, no, I didn't bring you money. He's like,

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the what do you do in my store? Then ask

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get out? You know, he's he's a he's like Jack

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Black and high fidelity. You know, yeah, it's a It's

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it's wrong, but.

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I find it also establishes I. I sell quality stuff

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to quality people. Yeah, I don't sell I don't sell

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surfboards to first timers.

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But it's bittersweet because at the end, you know when

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Skip just you know, when he when he's lost everything,

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he's lost these these these amazing talents, he he sells

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his shop and he ends up working for someone else. Right, Well,

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if you look carefully, his the guy that that owns

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the store is the guy he.

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Kicked out, Is it I didn't notice that?

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No? I did not, And he just goes back to

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his own happy little world in the back where he

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where he makes custom surfboards, singing along to Rod Stewart,

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you know, Maggie, Maggie May. And you're like, it's sad,

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but it's like, Okay, he he's obviously happy doing what

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he's doing, but it's just sad that he came that

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close to having it all but but didn't.

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Yeah, but I think somebody like him is the kind

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of lifestyle that he leads. The Skip lifestyle would not

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have lasted in the big time. You know, he would

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have burned out very very quickly. And now you mentioned,

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you know the Rod Stewart song. You we just talk

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about the awesome soundtrack of this movie. I will say,

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just the great soundtrack of this movie.

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Watching this recently, I thought, if there's one thing Brad

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will take away from this movie, it is the incredible soundtrack.

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I mean, what do you got, Rod Stewart.

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You got you got Sabbath Sabbath Stewart, you got Deep

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Purple Pink Floyd, You've got Neil Young you. I have

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never heard that version of Voodoo Child No by Jimi Hendrix.

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From the beginning I'm listening to Him'm like, is.

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This Voodoo child.

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It's slowed down version of it. Yeah, great, great soundtrack.

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Yeah, absolutely kick ass soundtrack. And again it it defined

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the time period really well, like you don't need to know,

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like because if you think about the cars, a lot

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of the cars you see, they're not cars from nineteen

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seventy five, they're cars from the sixties, you know, and

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you get the impression that these are people that can't

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afford to go buy new cars because they're just trying

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to keep the ones that they have running. So yeah,

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but the music tells you exactly where you're at, as

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does the clothing that they all wear. You know, it's

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just a fun movie when it comes to that kind

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of stuff. How fun was it to see Rebecca de Mornay.

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She's been gone a while.

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She was gone a while, she was it was fun

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to see her again, but once again, I wanted a

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little bit more range out of her besides somebody that

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was just a kind of.

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A lush Yeah, well, I you know, so this is

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this is nineteen seventy five and you're up here. I

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just looked at her like she was like the the

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stoner hippie that that you know, just never pregnant and

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then never grew up and never took on responsibility. And

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I mean she's living she I mean, yeah, she's she's

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Jay's mom, but she she's more like his roommate. Yeah,

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he's supporting.

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And I'm confused on who you know the guy was,

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Was that a boyfriend? Was that that's not Jay's father?

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But I was a little bit confused with that in

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their relationship. So I said, I thought there was I

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thought there was some holes in the movie.

461
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Well, I it's you know, it's not as it's not

462
00:26:35.920 --> 00:26:38.599
his father, right, but it's the one guy that has

463
00:26:38.640 --> 00:26:42.240
stuck around the longest in Jay's life. And that's why,

464
00:26:42.359 --> 00:26:45.880
like when he leaves, when he just can't handle crazy

465
00:26:46.200 --> 00:26:50.200
Philane Rebecca Demon's character, he can't handle anymore. He's like, hey,

466
00:26:50.880 --> 00:26:51.960
I'll always be a dad to you.

467
00:26:52.559 --> 00:26:52.920
Yeah.

468
00:26:52.960 --> 00:26:54.400
But then you know they're all on the you know,

469
00:26:54.400 --> 00:26:55.880
he's on a first name basis with them. He doesn't

470
00:26:55.880 --> 00:27:00.240
call him dad, you know. Yeah, So yeah, I kind

471
00:27:00.240 --> 00:27:02.480
of looked at it that as this is the one

472
00:27:02.519 --> 00:27:07.319
guy that has like maintained a semblance of a father

473
00:27:07.519 --> 00:27:09.920
to Jay for the longest, or.

474
00:27:09.880 --> 00:27:14.200
At least Kepper Kepper, you know, up and about for

475
00:27:14.240 --> 00:27:14.680
a while.

476
00:27:14.759 --> 00:27:16.480
Yeah, maybe taking care of her, so that Jay was

477
00:27:16.599 --> 00:27:21.279
always taking care of her. Yeah, and I can't remember

478
00:27:21.279 --> 00:27:23.920
that guy's name, but he he always shows up. It

479
00:27:23.960 --> 00:27:25.119
was nice to see him play.

480
00:27:25.319 --> 00:27:27.920
He guy's related to Tom Cruise. He's like Tom Cruise's

481
00:27:27.960 --> 00:27:30.240
cousin or something like that.

482
00:27:30.359 --> 00:27:33.480
Really Okay, he always plays a bad guy, but he's

483
00:27:33.519 --> 00:27:34.880
not a bad guy in this and that's what was

484
00:27:34.960 --> 00:27:36.039
kind of nice to see him.

485
00:27:36.480 --> 00:27:41.000
William William Pother map Father Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, because

486
00:27:41.039 --> 00:27:45.359
then Cruise's real real name is map Bother Okay, I

487
00:27:45.400 --> 00:27:46.839
believe he's might be his brother.

488
00:27:48.519 --> 00:27:53.319
Wow. Well he left Rebecca de Morney like he abandoned her. So, yes,

489
00:27:53.559 --> 00:27:55.440
he left her, but he left he left Jay with

490
00:27:55.480 --> 00:28:00.240
a pretty kick ass skateboard or not skateboard, a surfboard. Yeah.

491
00:28:00.559 --> 00:28:03.079
So we we we're talking about the music, We're talking

492
00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:09.480
about Hardwick's shooting style. Any other characters you want to

493
00:28:09.480 --> 00:28:13.880
talk about, Like, do you know Nicky Reid shows up?

494
00:28:13.880 --> 00:28:16.799
She's she is a staple in Katherine Hardwick movies.

495
00:28:17.319 --> 00:28:21.160
Well, I remember her from thirteen, yes, and we'll we'll

496
00:28:21.160 --> 00:28:23.039
we'll talk about that when we when we do the

497
00:28:23.079 --> 00:28:25.519
filmography of Katherine Hardwick. But I do remember her because

498
00:28:25.559 --> 00:28:27.640
she's got a very unique faith.

499
00:28:27.920 --> 00:28:32.720
Yeah, attractive, attractive, young young lady, but yeah, she's in this.

500
00:28:32.880 --> 00:28:38.400
She plays Tony's sister Kathy, who you know, again this

501
00:28:38.519 --> 00:28:42.039
isn't it's based on a true story, so you know,

502
00:28:42.440 --> 00:28:44.880
she's like the the one girl that you know she

503
00:28:44.960 --> 00:28:48.160
grew up and now the other. You know, Tony's friends

504
00:28:48.160 --> 00:28:50.319
are kind of like looking at her a different way.

505
00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:53.400
You know, she cheats on one and you know kind

506
00:28:53.400 --> 00:28:55.079
of you know, I don't know, she.

507
00:28:55.039 --> 00:28:56.039
Starts off with Stacy.

508
00:28:56.119 --> 00:28:58.119
Yeah, she starts off with Stacy and everything's cool, but

509
00:28:58.160 --> 00:29:01.799
then you know, she starts going down that that wrong

510
00:29:01.880 --> 00:29:05.000
path that Jay slowly starts going down. And I think

511
00:29:05.000 --> 00:29:07.359
that's why they compliment one another and they kind of

512
00:29:07.400 --> 00:29:12.279
end up together because Jay, you know, Emil Hirsch his

513
00:29:12.400 --> 00:29:17.279
performance because you're right he and when you're first watching this,

514
00:29:17.319 --> 00:29:21.000
you're like, man, this kid's a punk, but you also

515
00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:24.359
feel sorry for him because he's They quickly, you know,

516
00:29:24.400 --> 00:29:26.680
Catherine Hardwick quickly showed you this is a kid that

517
00:29:27.720 --> 00:29:29.839
didn't get a childhood. He had to grow up, he

518
00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:33.000
had to be the man of the house. He's you know,

519
00:29:33.039 --> 00:29:35.480
trying to take care of his mom and he never

520
00:29:35.519 --> 00:29:37.599
really cared about the money and the fame. He just

521
00:29:37.640 --> 00:29:39.839
wanted to surf and he just wanted to skate. And

522
00:29:39.880 --> 00:29:41.400
then he kind of falls in with that wrong crowd.

523
00:29:41.440 --> 00:29:44.680
You know, he literally becomes you know, a gang a

524
00:29:44.680 --> 00:29:47.359
gang banger, you know. Yeah, yeah, for the back half

525
00:29:47.400 --> 00:29:51.519
of the movie. Yeah, you know, so kind of sad.

526
00:29:51.799 --> 00:29:53.799
You know, there's the more I think about now, there's

527
00:29:53.839 --> 00:29:58.559
a lot of sad characters in this movie that you know,

528
00:29:59.680 --> 00:30:01.599
could have and so bad. They could have done so

529
00:30:01.680 --> 00:30:04.319
much more for themselves, but they they didn't and it

530
00:30:04.400 --> 00:30:05.119
was their own doing.

531
00:30:05.440 --> 00:30:08.400
Well, it's the movie is showing, all right, we're gonna

532
00:30:08.400 --> 00:30:12.200
put opportunity in front of you, who's gonna take it,

533
00:30:12.680 --> 00:30:15.720
who's gonna go about it the right way? And who's

534
00:30:15.799 --> 00:30:18.640
gonna see it as a chance to party.

535
00:30:18.920 --> 00:30:20.359
So you get all.

536
00:30:20.200 --> 00:30:23.640
These different spaces. You get Stacy's perspective out of it, Tony's,

537
00:30:23.759 --> 00:30:27.920
Jay's and skips and how they're going to handle this

538
00:30:28.480 --> 00:30:33.039
thing that does change the skateboarding industry. I mean, look

539
00:30:33.079 --> 00:30:36.839
at things like X Games now, I mean these.

540
00:30:36.599 --> 00:30:39.200
Are global events.

541
00:30:39.720 --> 00:30:46.839
You know, these are money marketed, you know, commercial successful events,

542
00:30:47.720 --> 00:30:49.759
you know, not as big as a Super Bowl, but

543
00:30:50.319 --> 00:30:54.079
it is now a sport, a traveling you know sport.

544
00:30:54.119 --> 00:30:56.720
You can make just as much money off of being

545
00:30:57.079 --> 00:31:00.400
a Tony Hawk than you can be in a Bron

546
00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:04.440
James or a Ken Gurfey Junior or anybody. You know,

547
00:31:04.519 --> 00:31:07.839
you can do just as big. But you show these

548
00:31:07.880 --> 00:31:11.200
guys all this at once, and everybody's going to take

549
00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:14.119
a different turn, and everybody does take a different turn.

550
00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:16.400
Nobody goes No, two people go the same way in

551
00:31:16.400 --> 00:31:17.160
this movie.

552
00:31:17.720 --> 00:31:19.759
Well, you're absolutely right, You're absolutely right.

553
00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:26.559
I mean, even though Tony and and Stacy have what

554
00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:30.640
are considered professional careers afterwards and stuff, they still didn't

555
00:31:30.680 --> 00:31:32.680
go that exact same route.

556
00:31:33.799 --> 00:31:37.920
No, Because well again, Stacy is more humble, he's the

557
00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:42.880
more low key. He's he signs with like a large company,

558
00:31:43.000 --> 00:31:46.440
a large you know, big team. Uh, that's that's all

559
00:31:46.440 --> 00:31:50.519
focused on the team aspect of it. Whereas Tony, I mean,

560
00:31:50.559 --> 00:31:52.599
think about when he shows up at the one of

561
00:31:52.599 --> 00:31:55.319
the later competitions, he gets out of the limousine in

562
00:31:55.359 --> 00:31:58.279
a in a basically looks like evil and evil. He's

563
00:31:58.319 --> 00:32:01.880
got like the starspan, you know, like he's ready to

564
00:32:01.960 --> 00:32:05.599
jump fourteen buses. He's all about the fame. He's all

565
00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:08.519
about the glamour and the glitz and the girls and

566
00:32:08.559 --> 00:32:13.359
the money. That's that's what he wants more so than skating. Yeah,

567
00:32:13.400 --> 00:32:17.440
you know. So. Yeah, it's different paths and it's a

568
00:32:17.960 --> 00:32:21.480
it's interesting to watch them start off as as close

569
00:32:21.559 --> 00:32:26.640
friends who become adversaries in a way because it's really

570
00:32:26.680 --> 00:32:29.799
one sided. Like I love that moment where they're both

571
00:32:29.839 --> 00:32:32.599
standing there ready for their turns at the competition and

572
00:32:32.960 --> 00:32:37.519
Stacey's like, he's smiling. He's like, hey, Tony, it's it's

573
00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:40.000
it's either me or you, and Tony doesn't even look

574
00:32:40.039 --> 00:32:41.599
at it, doesn't even have the respect to look at him.

575
00:32:41.599 --> 00:32:45.200
He's like, no, bro, it's me. And then he takes off.

576
00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:51.480
I'm like, damn, he's a jerk. Years from now, Brad,

577
00:32:51.480 --> 00:32:54.839
we're gonna be at the Podcasters Awards banquets or something

578
00:32:54.880 --> 00:32:57.480
like that, and I'm gonna be like, Brad, it's it's

579
00:32:57.480 --> 00:33:00.720
me or you. Man. If you go like, no, it's me,

580
00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:05.400
it's been me always. Yeah, I hope that doesn't happen.

581
00:33:05.759 --> 00:33:09.680
But you want to talk a little bit about Katherine

582
00:33:09.680 --> 00:33:14.480
Hartwick please, all right, So do you remember I'm just

583
00:33:14.519 --> 00:33:18.039
going to tie this into an episode we did not

584
00:33:18.119 --> 00:33:21.960
too long ago, back back in January. Remember how we

585
00:33:21.960 --> 00:33:25.720
talked about Kevin Reynolds goes to law school, becomes a lawyer,

586
00:33:25.839 --> 00:33:28.279
and then decides, I don't want to be a lawyer.

587
00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:32.160
I want to be a filmmaker. Right. Catherine Hardwick is

588
00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:36.559
on that same plan apparently, because she goes to school,

589
00:33:36.599 --> 00:33:39.680
she becomes an architect, and then right out of school

590
00:33:39.720 --> 00:33:41.559
she's like, yeah, I don't want to do this. I

591
00:33:41.559 --> 00:33:43.440
don't want to be an architect. I think I want

592
00:33:43.480 --> 00:33:46.079
to make movies. So she goes right back into school

593
00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:54.839
UCLA and becomes a very prominent production designer. And when

594
00:33:54.839 --> 00:33:56.720
we talk about some of the stuff that she's been

595
00:33:56.720 --> 00:33:59.960
involved in over the years, there's been some big movie

596
00:34:00.160 --> 00:34:03.599
that she's been a part of, you know, everything from

597
00:34:03.720 --> 00:34:07.519
like the quirky comic book adaptations like tank Girl to

598
00:34:08.079 --> 00:34:12.199
The Tombstone. Yeah, Three Kings Vanilla Sky. She gets to

599
00:34:12.239 --> 00:34:17.000
work with Tom Cruise on that one, and Yeah, she

600
00:34:17.119 --> 00:34:21.239
is a very prominent production designer and that is her way.

601
00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:26.239
She spends all this time location scouting with directors, some

602
00:34:26.280 --> 00:34:30.519
of these big name directors, and she is basically it's

603
00:34:30.559 --> 00:34:34.599
almost like her internship because she's doing she's doing the

604
00:34:34.679 --> 00:34:37.880
job of production designer, but she's telling these guys, I

605
00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:39.719
want to make films. I want to make my own films,

606
00:34:40.280 --> 00:34:42.840
and they are pouring out all kinds of information like, hey,

607
00:34:43.719 --> 00:34:45.519
this is something I learned. This is something they didn't

608
00:34:45.519 --> 00:34:48.639
teach me in film school. So she's acquiring all this

609
00:34:48.880 --> 00:34:55.760
knowledge to become a successful filmmaker. And surprisingly she's forty

610
00:34:55.800 --> 00:34:57.639
eight when she does her first movie, which is thirteen.

611
00:34:58.880 --> 00:34:59.920
Have you ever seen that movie?

612
00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:03.840
I have? And I'll tell you, I mean I was,

613
00:35:04.280 --> 00:35:07.519
I saw it. How old was I?

614
00:35:07.599 --> 00:35:09.119
Well, I mean I saw it when it came out,

615
00:35:09.159 --> 00:35:11.840
like I saw when it came later, like yeah, yeah,

616
00:35:11.840 --> 00:35:13.360
it was two thousand and three when it came out,

617
00:35:13.480 --> 00:35:17.320
And I knew then I did not want to have

618
00:35:17.800 --> 00:35:18.320
a daughter.

619
00:35:18.880 --> 00:35:20.159
That's exactly what I said.

620
00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:25.519
And oh man, and I seriously considered not having kids

621
00:35:25.559 --> 00:35:27.880
after seeing that movie because it was such a culture shock.

622
00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:30.559
Do you remember when we saw the movie Kids the

623
00:35:30.920 --> 00:35:35.280
NC seventeen and You're like, these kids are rotten, They're awful,

624
00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:38.519
and I don't ever want to have kids. Thirteen really

625
00:35:38.519 --> 00:35:41.360
didn't change that or improve that mood as.

626
00:35:41.280 --> 00:35:45.239
Far as I think that film made me. If kids

627
00:35:45.320 --> 00:35:48.519
was hard to believe. Thirteen was the are you sure?

628
00:35:49.039 --> 00:35:51.519
Because let me show you how it could be, and

629
00:35:51.239 --> 00:35:52.719
it really summed it up.

630
00:35:52.960 --> 00:35:56.199
So we're talking. We talked about Nicki Reid. This is

631
00:35:56.239 --> 00:36:01.760
where thirteen comes from. So she eats Katherine Harwood meets

632
00:36:02.119 --> 00:36:06.039
a young, you know, teenage Nicky Reid because she's she's

633
00:36:06.079 --> 00:36:08.480
either friends with Nicky Read's father or she's dating Nicky

634
00:36:08.519 --> 00:36:11.840
Read's father. I don't remember precisely what the situation is,

635
00:36:12.320 --> 00:36:17.440
but they become friends and Katherine Hardwood kind of based

636
00:36:17.440 --> 00:36:21.159
off her writing Nicki Read's early writing as a teenager,

637
00:36:22.119 --> 00:36:26.280
says hey, let's do a movie and gives Nicky Read

638
00:36:26.320 --> 00:36:30.800
this amazing opportunity to she's she she co wrote thirteen. Yeah,

639
00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:33.159
and she's And because they couldn't find someone that could

640
00:36:33.599 --> 00:36:38.960
accurately capture her quote unquote character, she put her in it.

641
00:36:39.039 --> 00:36:40.119
She said, well, you're going to be in this.

642
00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:43.840
I remember reading that afterwards after the movie came out,

643
00:36:43.880 --> 00:36:46.559
and I was just like, I was stunned.

644
00:36:46.559 --> 00:36:49.760
Thinking about that for a second. So this teenage girl

645
00:36:50.440 --> 00:36:53.519
has a lot of you know, parents are divorced, she

646
00:36:53.719 --> 00:36:58.519
has you know, some family troubles with their mom ends

647
00:36:58.599 --> 00:37:01.039
up moving out at fourteen, she's staying with her dad.

648
00:37:01.079 --> 00:37:05.840
That's when she meets Katherine Hardwick. And this woman gives

649
00:37:05.840 --> 00:37:10.800
you the opportunity to co write and star in a

650
00:37:10.880 --> 00:37:15.159
movie that's going to have one of the actress, you know,

651
00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:20.559
Holly Hunter get an Oscar nom. That's unreal. I mean,

652
00:37:20.559 --> 00:37:23.199
that's huge, and that's a big win for I think

653
00:37:23.199 --> 00:37:26.320
that's a big win for Katherine Hardwick, your first film, Yeah,

654
00:37:27.239 --> 00:37:31.400
gets Oscar an Oscar nom. You know we'd all love that,

655
00:37:32.119 --> 00:37:38.360
Oh absolutely. But so yeah, she hits the scene with

656
00:37:38.480 --> 00:37:42.280
a hit because thirteen, if you didn't see it, you

657
00:37:42.559 --> 00:37:43.880
knew someone that saw it, or.

658
00:37:43.880 --> 00:37:44.840
You would have heard about it.

659
00:37:44.880 --> 00:37:48.159
You would. Yeah, this was a water cooler movie. And

660
00:37:48.239 --> 00:37:52.320
I'm sure every parent that had a daughter was concerned

661
00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:54.280
when they saw this. If they didn't know what was

662
00:37:54.320 --> 00:37:56.480
going on in their their thirteen year old daughter's life,

663
00:37:57.280 --> 00:37:59.880
they sure as hell wanted to know and they were scared.

664
00:38:01.119 --> 00:38:06.639
But yeah, two years later, Lord's a dogtown again. She

665
00:38:06.719 --> 00:38:10.159
gets this, this awesome opportunity. She's working with some very

666
00:38:10.199 --> 00:38:15.039
young talent and gives us this uh, you know, this

667
00:38:15.760 --> 00:38:19.039
faux documentary look to it, and she invites, uh, she

668
00:38:19.119 --> 00:38:25.119
invites NICKI read back along Ride, so uh again. Now,

669
00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:27.320
she's one of these directors that you know, she she

670
00:38:27.400 --> 00:38:28.880
takes a she takes a year or two off in

671
00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:32.119
between projects, and it's her next project in two thousand

672
00:38:32.119 --> 00:38:40.119
and eight where she has she has arrived, right, I'd say, yeah,

673
00:38:40.199 --> 00:38:41.199
let's talk about Twilight.

674
00:38:41.800 --> 00:38:45.679
Let's let's talk about Twilight. But it is not an

675
00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:48.960
awful film. It is not an awful film. I saw

676
00:38:49.639 --> 00:38:52.840
my my wife, what you know, when the books first

677
00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:56.239
came out. We she read the books, and you know,

678
00:38:56.320 --> 00:38:59.239
obviously I went and saw the movie with her, because

679
00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:02.960
that's what you do. She's seen enough comic book movies

680
00:39:02.960 --> 00:39:05.639
with me too. And you know what, though, it was

681
00:39:05.639 --> 00:39:09.400
not a bad movie. And I think one of the

682
00:39:09.400 --> 00:39:12.519
main reasons that it wasn't because I tried reading the

683
00:39:12.519 --> 00:39:14.760
book and it was a hard read and I couldn't.

684
00:39:14.400 --> 00:39:15.119
Get through the book.

685
00:39:15.440 --> 00:39:20.000
Oh well, Catherine Hardrock really did a good job of

686
00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:26.159
giving it a cinematic presence, and she kept that that

687
00:39:26.320 --> 00:39:29.719
cool production design that she's given of films like Three

688
00:39:29.840 --> 00:39:34.440
Kings and Two Lords of Dogtown. So it really did

689
00:39:34.480 --> 00:39:35.239
have that look.

690
00:39:35.519 --> 00:39:38.440
Yeah, you're talking about the blue filter that that she's

691
00:39:38.480 --> 00:39:40.960
famous for using. Yeah, so can I can I share

692
00:39:41.000 --> 00:39:47.760
my pilot story since it since it involves your wife? Okay, now,

693
00:39:47.800 --> 00:39:51.639
I remember years ago I was looking for a new

694
00:39:51.639 --> 00:39:56.480
book and your wife says, oh, I've got a book

695
00:39:56.480 --> 00:39:59.480
for you. And I'm like, well, okay, what do you got?

696
00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:03.000
And she's like, it's called Twilight. Now this is true

697
00:40:03.000 --> 00:40:07.039
story too, you can ask her. I immediately recognized that

698
00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:09.119
this was a book. I saw a lot of girls

699
00:40:09.199 --> 00:40:12.800
carrying around, uh in the in the breakroom at work,

700
00:40:13.400 --> 00:40:16.519
and I had heard them talking about it and obsessing

701
00:40:16.559 --> 00:40:18.800
over it. And I pointed this out to your wife.

702
00:40:18.880 --> 00:40:22.760
I said, uh, that's probably not for me. That's I

703
00:40:23.000 --> 00:40:24.639
and I see I see a lot of I see

704
00:40:24.639 --> 00:40:27.079
a lot of women carrying that around. It's seems like

705
00:40:27.119 --> 00:40:31.079
it's their thing. And she said, no, Jeff, she said,

706
00:40:31.480 --> 00:40:34.679
do you like vampires? Do you like were wolves? I said, obviously,

707
00:40:34.920 --> 00:40:38.679
She's like, do you like vampires fighting werewolves? I was like, yeah,

708
00:40:38.960 --> 00:40:41.280
you know. Now she's hooking me. I'm I'm pulling. I'm

709
00:40:41.280 --> 00:40:43.559
getting pulled in and she's like, this is the book

710
00:40:43.599 --> 00:40:46.920
for you, and I was like, well, that sounds awesome.

711
00:40:48.400 --> 00:40:50.760
Obviously the girls at work are awesome because they're they're

712
00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:54.760
they're reading this. I borrowed a copy from one of

713
00:40:54.760 --> 00:40:56.960
the girls at work who looked at me like I

714
00:40:57.000 --> 00:40:59.639
had two heads when I asked for it, right, and

715
00:40:59.800 --> 00:41:01.559
uh uh. It didn't take me long to figure out

716
00:41:01.559 --> 00:41:07.440
that this was not the War of vampires against the werewolves,

717
00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:08.760
like like Underworld.

718
00:41:08.280 --> 00:41:09.199
This is Yeah, it wasn't.

719
00:41:09.760 --> 00:41:12.039
This is a this is a teen, This is a

720
00:41:12.159 --> 00:41:15.440
this is a this is a girl who is in

721
00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:18.920
love with whoever you know, can't make up her mind.

722
00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:21.320
I got, I got, I got tricked. Your wife tricked

723
00:41:21.360 --> 00:41:24.360
me into reading this book because I finished it. And

724
00:41:26.079 --> 00:41:29.480
I will say this for all the faults I find

725
00:41:29.519 --> 00:41:32.760
with the book, you know, no, you know, with all

726
00:41:32.800 --> 00:41:38.519
due respect to Stephanie Me, Stephanie Meyer, with all with

727
00:41:38.559 --> 00:41:43.679
all due respect. Yeah, the movie because the girlfriend I

728
00:41:43.719 --> 00:41:45.960
had at the time, it was mandatory that I had

729
00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:50.400
to go see it. The movie's not bad, No, it's

730
00:41:50.400 --> 00:41:55.920
it shot really well and let's let's let's let's call

731
00:41:55.920 --> 00:41:58.519
it what it is. It was. It had a thirty

732
00:41:58.519 --> 00:42:01.280
seven million dollar budget and then it made four hundred

733
00:42:01.360 --> 00:42:07.599
eight million. Yeah. So my question is how Katherin Hardwick

734
00:42:07.599 --> 00:42:11.880
doesn't become an overnight like global sensation where everyone wants

735
00:42:11.920 --> 00:42:15.079
to have their movie directed by her, all these studios.

736
00:42:15.679 --> 00:42:18.119
It's criminal that that didn't.

737
00:42:17.920 --> 00:42:21.840
Happen well, and another thing that has kind of overlooked.

738
00:42:21.920 --> 00:42:27.079
And as we just recently did an episode on Amy

739
00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:30.079
hecker Lane for Johnny Dangerously, Ye, and if you want

740
00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:33.280
to go down a crazy rabbit hole, she delivers us

741
00:42:34.039 --> 00:42:38.679
a kind of very early mainstream Michael Keaton who goes

742
00:42:38.679 --> 00:42:44.320
off to become a great Batman, Catherine Hardwood, which delivers

743
00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:49.480
us Robert Pattison, and very recently we're getting a new

744
00:42:49.519 --> 00:42:54.679
Batman film with Robert Pattinson. Could the women of Hollywood

745
00:42:54.960 --> 00:42:58.840
be the key to all of the Cape Crusader casting

746
00:42:59.199 --> 00:43:01.280
in Hollywood? I think they might be.

747
00:43:01.719 --> 00:43:04.400
That is an excellent theory that I would love. We

748
00:43:04.679 --> 00:43:06.519
need to devote a whole a whole episode of that,

749
00:43:06.639 --> 00:43:11.159
because oh man, talk about going down the rabbit hole, right.

750
00:43:12.039 --> 00:43:14.559
Heckerlin gives you the young Michael Keaton, the comedic.

751
00:43:14.280 --> 00:43:16.679
Keych She gives us the young Michael Keaton, and Catherine

752
00:43:16.719 --> 00:43:20.880
Hardwick gives us what will eventually, you know, is now

753
00:43:21.039 --> 00:43:23.199
Bruce Wayne Batman and Robert Pattison.

754
00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:28.639
Yeah, and both those situations is fan outrage. Yeah, when

755
00:43:28.639 --> 00:43:32.840
the casting happens only only to show that the fans

756
00:43:32.840 --> 00:43:36.480
are wrong. You know, Damn. I did not think about

757
00:43:36.480 --> 00:43:39.280
that with with Twilight.

758
00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:42.119
Batman kick lately.

759
00:43:42.400 --> 00:43:45.039
Yeah, there's been a lot of Batman in our world.

760
00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:47.880
Yeah, there's been a lot of Batman, you know, definitely.

761
00:43:48.000 --> 00:43:50.320
Uh. You know, we have to give a nod to

762
00:43:50.440 --> 00:43:54.400
the Shirley Podcast Jason and d for getting us all

763
00:43:54.559 --> 00:43:57.840
all excited about Batman right before the new one came out.

764
00:43:57.920 --> 00:44:05.360
So uh, But with with Hardwicck, so imagine this. It's

765
00:44:05.400 --> 00:44:08.679
the day before you start shooting Twilight and the studio

766
00:44:08.679 --> 00:44:11.000
comes up to he says, hey, we need you to

767
00:44:11.280 --> 00:44:13.679
we need you to cut four million off the budget

768
00:44:14.760 --> 00:44:19.639
tonight before you start. That's ridiculous. No one's gonna be

769
00:44:19.639 --> 00:44:21.840
able to do that, and in most cases directors are

770
00:44:21.840 --> 00:44:27.559
going over budget. Yeah, Hardwicck cuts the four million, delivers

771
00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:34.400
Twilight on time, under budget, and makes this unbelievable, gargantuan

772
00:44:34.480 --> 00:44:36.840
success with it. You know, like I said, thirty seven

773
00:44:36.840 --> 00:44:42.360
million and grosses four four hundred and eight million. And

774
00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:44.800
I think it's unfair what happens to her because she

775
00:44:45.119 --> 00:44:46.360
was you know a lot of people were like, how

776
00:44:46.360 --> 00:44:48.880
come she didn't do all the movies, right. The bottom

777
00:44:48.960 --> 00:44:51.800
line is they, you know, some in entertainment asked her

778
00:44:51.840 --> 00:44:55.960
back for New Moon, I think, which is the second one.

779
00:44:56.840 --> 00:44:58.559
But they had all, you know, based on the what,

780
00:44:58.800 --> 00:45:04.440
based on the absurd, you know and nearly impossible request

781
00:45:04.480 --> 00:45:06.320
that they made up her for the first time. Well

782
00:45:06.360 --> 00:45:09.760
they had any They apparently, as the story goes, they

783
00:45:09.800 --> 00:45:11.920
had a lot more. They had more constraints, they had

784
00:45:11.960 --> 00:45:15.360
more budget issues. They wanted a lot more control over her.

785
00:45:16.519 --> 00:45:19.159
So she does what any smart person should do, and

786
00:45:19.239 --> 00:45:22.159
she says, no thanks. Yeah, so she walks away from it.

787
00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:24.639
It's you know, she wasn't fired, she wasn't let go.

788
00:45:25.440 --> 00:45:30.320
She made the choice to leave that franchise. And I mean, Brad,

789
00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:31.519
I don't know, if I don't know, if your wife

790
00:45:31.599 --> 00:45:34.519
made you watch the other the we.

791
00:45:34.760 --> 00:45:37.480
Not have the same feel. I saw two other ones.

792
00:45:37.880 --> 00:45:39.719
I saw the second one and the third one, and

793
00:45:40.199 --> 00:45:45.480
I could tell that it had lost something. Yeah, it

794
00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:51.159
had turned into something else. That was what she did

795
00:45:51.199 --> 00:45:55.679
with that first film, which made it feel very, very cold,

796
00:45:55.920 --> 00:45:59.159
very gray, very you know. Yeah, it was a teenage

797
00:45:59.159 --> 00:46:03.320
movie and they couldn't go our horror with it, but

798
00:46:04.079 --> 00:46:08.079
she still kept it in a very mysterious type of vibe.

799
00:46:08.440 --> 00:46:10.599
Well, that blue filter, that look that you were talking

800
00:46:10.599 --> 00:46:16.639
about when you watch Twilight, because this takes it takes

801
00:46:16.639 --> 00:46:21.559
place in Forks, Washington. Uh. She specifically used those cold

802
00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:24.880
color palettes that she that she does even with the

803
00:46:24.880 --> 00:46:28.199
Lords of Dogtown, because she wanted you to feel the

804
00:46:28.360 --> 00:46:32.639
cold and the dreariness of the location. And Chris Whites

805
00:46:33.000 --> 00:46:38.280
who comes in to do New Moon, obviously that's not

806
00:46:38.360 --> 00:46:41.519
his style. So when you watch the rest of those movies,

807
00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:44.559
if you know whether you whether you're whether you're a

808
00:46:44.559 --> 00:46:46.960
fan of them, or whether you're like us Brad and

809
00:46:47.000 --> 00:46:49.119
you're you're it's mandatory view.

810
00:46:49.079 --> 00:46:50.800
You could have taken them in a whole new direction

811
00:46:50.880 --> 00:46:51.639
if you're stayed on.

812
00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:54.440
Yeah, who knows that maybe they would have been good.

813
00:46:55.480 --> 00:46:57.760
I'll say it because I thought they sucked, you know,

814
00:46:57.960 --> 00:47:00.400
the ones I was forced to watch right regard garbage

815
00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:02.320
and but who knows.

816
00:47:02.400 --> 00:47:05.159
But very much like you, I did expect. All right,

817
00:47:05.800 --> 00:47:11.199
she's proven her point. She can do independent twice basically,

818
00:47:13.239 --> 00:47:18.679
and now she's done commercial franchise and have basically given

819
00:47:18.719 --> 00:47:21.000
them the king keys to a kingdom of been Like

820
00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:23.559
all right, now, you guys can do whatever they wanted it,

821
00:47:23.880 --> 00:47:27.199
and you really don't see her getting the kind of

822
00:47:27.199 --> 00:47:28.000
work that she should have.

823
00:47:28.280 --> 00:47:33.199
Yeah. After that, twenty eleven she does her take on

824
00:47:33.360 --> 00:47:37.119
the little Red riding Hood property with Red riding Hood with.

825
00:47:37.400 --> 00:47:44.519
Didn't see it. It's you kind of want to watch

826
00:47:44.559 --> 00:47:47.360
it because of Gary Oldman, but you also don't want

827
00:47:47.400 --> 00:47:49.239
to watch it because you might want to lose opinion

828
00:47:49.239 --> 00:47:49.719
of Gary.

829
00:47:50.039 --> 00:47:52.559
So here's what I'll tell you, because we are we're

830
00:47:52.639 --> 00:47:53.800
huge Gary Oldman fans.

831
00:47:53.880 --> 00:47:55.760
Yeah, and you know I'm a sucker for werewolves.

832
00:47:55.960 --> 00:48:00.880
Yeah, so I will tell you this, watch it, if

833
00:48:01.039 --> 00:48:06.559
if only for Gary Oldman and because it's a way

834
00:48:06.599 --> 00:48:10.559
you know, you get the wolf. And I shouldn't say

835
00:48:10.599 --> 00:48:13.039
it like I like I am saying it because it's

836
00:48:13.039 --> 00:48:16.599
not it's not a bad movie, you know. You know

837
00:48:16.679 --> 00:48:18.760
she you know, and you know she kind of takes

838
00:48:18.800 --> 00:48:21.280
the themes with I think it's like a man. I

839
00:48:21.320 --> 00:48:26.079
think it's a man Seafrid who plays a Red riding Hood.

840
00:48:26.559 --> 00:48:30.079
You know, it's all about the you know, the theme there.

841
00:48:30.280 --> 00:48:32.199
The theme there is like the coming of age, like

842
00:48:32.239 --> 00:48:35.679
the girl becoming a woman. So there's like that there's

843
00:48:35.719 --> 00:48:41.760
that sexual subtlety to it. It wasn't for me per se,

844
00:48:42.159 --> 00:48:45.599
but Gary Oldman, come on, you got to see it.

845
00:48:45.639 --> 00:48:48.599
So but I almost feel like this was the it

846
00:48:48.639 --> 00:48:51.920
was the wrong property for her to do right after Twilight.

847
00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:56.519
You know. You know, if you're you know, if you're

848
00:48:56.559 --> 00:49:00.800
John Carpenter and you give us an amazing film that

849
00:49:00.920 --> 00:49:04.320
has an alien monster in it, you don't follow that

850
00:49:04.400 --> 00:49:08.559
up with a film about another alien monster. Yeah, I mean,

851
00:49:08.599 --> 00:49:10.840
you can do that again, but just you know, mix it.

852
00:49:10.840 --> 00:49:11.400
Up at least.

853
00:49:11.679 --> 00:49:16.400
Yeah, that's that's that's my take on it. I just

854
00:49:16.440 --> 00:49:18.599
think it was not the right time for her to

855
00:49:18.639 --> 00:49:21.760
do that, And you know, it didn't make a lot

856
00:49:21.800 --> 00:49:25.440
of money, wasn't really popular, and this kind of pushes her.

857
00:49:26.360 --> 00:49:28.280
I feel it's unfair because it kind of pushes her

858
00:49:28.320 --> 00:49:32.199
out of the Hollywood limelight. Yeah, and she she kind

859
00:49:32.199 --> 00:49:35.519
of hits. She lands on on television, you know.

860
00:49:35.559 --> 00:49:37.840
Yeah, a lot of television.

861
00:49:37.400 --> 00:49:41.159
Twenty eleven to like over the next ten years, almost

862
00:49:41.360 --> 00:49:44.920
she's on. She's directing a lot of TV. You know,

863
00:49:45.360 --> 00:49:48.800
if you've seen the show, you probably watched an episode

864
00:49:48.800 --> 00:49:51.000
that she directed. That's that's basically how it comes out.

865
00:49:51.079 --> 00:49:53.000
Yeah, it looks like she did things like this is

866
00:49:53.199 --> 00:49:55.159
us and yeah.

867
00:49:54.960 --> 00:49:59.599
You know popular shows. Yeah, but it's her her return

868
00:49:59.599 --> 00:50:04.239
to the big screen in twenty nineteen, uh miss Bala,

869
00:50:05.480 --> 00:50:10.800
which it just you know, it didn't look like it

870
00:50:10.880 --> 00:50:14.079
was going to be. It didn't look like it like

871
00:50:14.079 --> 00:50:16.440
you wanted to watch it, you know, Gina Rodriguez.

872
00:50:16.880 --> 00:50:20.440
You know. But I think maybe she's just getting her

873
00:50:20.480 --> 00:50:25.039
feet wet. I feel like, you know, there there's something obviously.

874
00:50:26.480 --> 00:50:30.000
I think she's gonna find something that's it's gonna bring

875
00:50:30.039 --> 00:50:31.840
her back into that mainstream eventually.

876
00:50:32.360 --> 00:50:33.880
Well is it is it too early to talk about

877
00:50:33.880 --> 00:50:35.400
what we want to see next or what she's got next?

878
00:50:35.760 --> 00:50:39.159
I don't think so, all right, because she's got she's

879
00:50:39.159 --> 00:50:42.559
got two things coming out, okay, or that she's working on.

880
00:50:42.559 --> 00:50:46.039
They're there there, She's currently working on on two projects.

881
00:50:46.480 --> 00:50:49.639
And I like the sound of both of them.

882
00:50:49.719 --> 00:50:51.440
So okay, Well what do you have for me?

883
00:50:51.920 --> 00:50:56.800
Okay? So Mafia Mama, And you can tell just by

884
00:50:56.800 --> 00:50:59.719
that title it's a comedy, okay. So it's all about

885
00:50:59.719 --> 00:51:05.840
a Bourbon American woman who inherits her grandfather's mafia empire.

886
00:51:07.039 --> 00:51:12.440
And it stars Tony Collette and the always lovely Monica

887
00:51:12.519 --> 00:51:17.159
Bell Lucci. Really okay, that's gonna be a fun one.

888
00:51:17.840 --> 00:51:19.960
But her other one, that's that that she's working on

889
00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:23.599
that's coming out soon. I cannot wait to see it.

890
00:51:25.280 --> 00:51:29.880
The film is called Heathen and it's all about It's

891
00:51:29.880 --> 00:51:34.159
based off of a graphic novel. It's about a female Viking.

892
00:51:35.280 --> 00:51:39.679
You know, that is not gonna be just the the

893
00:51:39.760 --> 00:51:45.480
typical stay at home female, you know, sheltered female character.

894
00:51:45.639 --> 00:51:47.519
So a period piece though, right, it's a period piece.

895
00:51:47.599 --> 00:51:52.079
Yeah, yeah, the female Viking who who is known as

896
00:51:52.119 --> 00:51:56.000
the Heathen, you know, so imagine red Sonia, but it's

897
00:51:56.039 --> 00:51:59.159
a Viking story and it's gonna be badass.

898
00:51:59.760 --> 00:52:02.079
Well, well, my pick was going to be I would

899
00:52:02.119 --> 00:52:06.000
love to see her do some kind of action film, yes,

900
00:52:06.639 --> 00:52:10.079
because I think the way she shoots would would definitely

901
00:52:11.760 --> 00:52:13.800
it would definitely be something kind of cool to see.

902
00:52:14.000 --> 00:52:18.360
When is the last time we had an awesome Viking movie?

903
00:52:19.320 --> 00:52:22.480
What was it, Thirteenth Warrior? Maybe?

904
00:52:23.320 --> 00:52:28.000
Okay, so, and that's yeah, that's been a while. I

905
00:52:28.039 --> 00:52:32.239
know there's that hit show Vikings. Yeah, we are long

906
00:52:32.519 --> 00:52:35.920
overdue for eight. And I'm not talking about you know,

907
00:52:36.880 --> 00:52:38.880
the Thorror movies and the MCU because they're fine, right,

908
00:52:38.960 --> 00:52:41.000
but we're we are long overdue for like a blood

909
00:52:41.039 --> 00:52:46.239
Thursday Viking epic on the silver screen, and it's Katherine

910
00:52:46.239 --> 00:52:47.840
Hardwick that's going to deliver it to us.

911
00:52:48.159 --> 00:52:52.480
Good with that, Well, I'm glad it's getting back to

912
00:52:53.079 --> 00:52:55.719
I mean, look, I love TV, but I also love

913
00:52:55.760 --> 00:52:57.920
to see filmmakers keep making films.

914
00:52:58.159 --> 00:53:04.320
Yep. Absolutely well, Brad you at the end of this

915
00:53:04.360 --> 00:53:07.239
episode you said this movie really might not have been

916
00:53:07.280 --> 00:53:10.920
for you an any takeaways, any final thoughts.

917
00:53:11.440 --> 00:53:15.159
I think the thing that upset me, or not upset me,

918
00:53:15.199 --> 00:53:18.639
but kind of maybe let me down, was we could

919
00:53:18.679 --> 00:53:21.039
have cut out about twenty scenes of the kids just

920
00:53:21.119 --> 00:53:25.000
acting like Dix. I think there were too many scenes

921
00:53:25.079 --> 00:53:28.159
where it did not contribute to the story at all.

922
00:53:29.480 --> 00:53:32.880
Them screwing around in the restaurant, them yelling at old ladies.

923
00:53:34.000 --> 00:53:37.159
It was funny, but it was a little it didn't

924
00:53:37.199 --> 00:53:39.239
really serve the purpose of the movie, where I thought

925
00:53:39.280 --> 00:53:43.599
that they lost an opportunity to talk about a little

926
00:53:43.639 --> 00:53:46.119
bit further down the road of more in depth of

927
00:53:46.199 --> 00:53:50.119
what Stacy was actually going through. You saw his meetings,

928
00:53:50.119 --> 00:53:53.400
but I wanted to know a little bit more of

929
00:53:53.800 --> 00:53:57.679
his kind of ride of being thrown into this kind

930
00:53:57.719 --> 00:53:59.440
of thing and I felt that was a little left

931
00:53:59.440 --> 00:54:03.280
out a little bit, but that was I mean, I

932
00:54:03.320 --> 00:54:05.920
didn't like the fact that they were just kind of

933
00:54:06.639 --> 00:54:10.440
really not the nicest people to each other. And the

934
00:54:10.480 --> 00:54:15.079
really one that I felt anything for was Stacy and

935
00:54:15.159 --> 00:54:18.760
sid By the end, I really didn't care for Jay

936
00:54:18.800 --> 00:54:24.000
and I didn't care for Tony because I just didn't

937
00:54:24.000 --> 00:54:26.639
even care for Rebecca du Mornay. At that point, I

938
00:54:26.719 --> 00:54:32.679
was just like, there's a lot of not really just

939
00:54:33.079 --> 00:54:35.119
good and it was a lot of I got a

940
00:54:35.159 --> 00:54:38.039
little sick of Hey, we just want to party and

941
00:54:38.639 --> 00:54:41.159
skate all the time. It was like, Okay, that sounded great.

942
00:54:41.280 --> 00:54:45.960
So I got a little aggravated of people always being

943
00:54:46.519 --> 00:54:52.159
wasted on stuff. Okay, but well, I felt that the movie,

944
00:54:52.159 --> 00:54:54.320
I mean I got the movie, I didn't.

945
00:54:54.119 --> 00:54:56.800
Not enjoy it. I just felt that there could have

946
00:54:56.880 --> 00:55:02.920
been more there with character story where I enjoyed stuff

947
00:55:02.960 --> 00:55:06.039
when they discovered things like the pool and doing that,

948
00:55:06.280 --> 00:55:07.880
and the only thing that kept thinking during the pool

949
00:55:07.960 --> 00:55:09.039
was like, they just got to get rid of that

950
00:55:09.119 --> 00:55:11.239
damn light in the middle of the pool. You know,

951
00:55:11.280 --> 00:55:14.559
the light is screwing up everything for him. But things

952
00:55:14.639 --> 00:55:16.920
like that I started to really like, I just felt

953
00:55:16.960 --> 00:55:20.960
that the character development I think with the other characters

954
00:55:20.960 --> 00:55:22.679
should have been a little bit more and then cut

955
00:55:22.719 --> 00:55:26.320
out the stuff of them just being goofballs and partying

956
00:55:26.360 --> 00:55:29.199
all the time. And I think you could have completely

957
00:55:29.239 --> 00:55:33.119
got rid of even though the character from Nikki.

958
00:55:33.360 --> 00:55:37.199
Reid Kathy Tony's sister, yeah.

959
00:55:37.400 --> 00:55:40.760
You know, her switching boyfriends and stuff. It's like, you know,

960
00:55:40.800 --> 00:55:42.920
you said the movies about friendship, was like, well, Jay

961
00:55:42.920 --> 00:55:45.679
obviously didn't think much about his friendship with Stacy because

962
00:55:46.119 --> 00:55:48.800
he's going right for her, so some of that stuff

963
00:55:48.880 --> 00:55:49.880
was kind of a letdown.

964
00:55:49.920 --> 00:55:52.000
I think for me, Well, it's like I said, it

965
00:55:52.800 --> 00:55:55.360
is about friendship, but it's about the struggle to maintain

966
00:55:55.440 --> 00:56:00.880
friendships over the course of from adolescents to adulthood. Yeah,

967
00:56:00.920 --> 00:56:04.760
and I'll respectfully disagree with you because I think it's

968
00:56:05.039 --> 00:56:07.719
I think it is a definitely you don't need to

969
00:56:07.719 --> 00:56:09.639
be a skate you don't need to be into skating,

970
00:56:09.639 --> 00:56:12.199
you don't need to be a skater. It's just it's

971
00:56:12.239 --> 00:56:14.760
a great movie. It's it's one I would definitely recommend.

972
00:56:15.360 --> 00:56:17.760
Much like we were talking, you know, if you want

973
00:56:17.800 --> 00:56:19.440
to see Red Riding Hood, see it. For Gary Olben.

974
00:56:20.199 --> 00:56:24.119
You got to see Lords of Dogtown for Heath Ledger. Yeah, absolutely,

975
00:56:24.119 --> 00:56:28.800
for Heath Ledger. And and it's just fascinating too. You

976
00:56:28.840 --> 00:56:33.559
know sometimes when you when you're not into something per se,

977
00:56:34.400 --> 00:56:37.159
but it's neat to see the origin and find find

978
00:56:37.159 --> 00:56:38.679
out where it came from and why it is so

979
00:56:38.800 --> 00:56:42.000
popular anyone that is always that It's ever wondered like

980
00:56:42.679 --> 00:56:45.719
when did skateboarding get popular? When did all this stuff?

981
00:56:45.719 --> 00:56:48.119
Why is all this stuff? Why do we have it now?

982
00:56:48.800 --> 00:56:52.000
This is the movie that answers that. Yeah, and you know,

983
00:56:52.119 --> 00:56:54.400
with some of the scenes that you don't like that

984
00:56:54.519 --> 00:56:56.360
you would want to cut, I look at like this.

985
00:56:58.559 --> 00:57:02.400
Stacey Peralta wrote the movie, so he lived the life

986
00:57:02.480 --> 00:57:04.320
and whether you know, and obviously I'm sure there's there's

987
00:57:04.320 --> 00:57:08.800
embellishments that happened, but this is a this is the

988
00:57:08.840 --> 00:57:10.880
dog this is the Z Boys as he saw the

989
00:57:10.960 --> 00:57:19.159
Z Boys. So as for the the film by boys, Brad. Uh,

990
00:57:19.599 --> 00:57:24.320
we are streaming on all the platforms. Speaking of streaming,

991
00:57:24.599 --> 00:57:26.039
if you if you're out there and you want to

992
00:57:26.039 --> 00:57:29.840
see Lords of Dogtown. Uh, it's currently on the HBO

993
00:57:29.880 --> 00:57:32.079
Max app Yeah. Uh so if you if you got

994
00:57:32.199 --> 00:57:34.679
HBO Max, you can watch it there or you can

995
00:57:34.679 --> 00:57:37.320
get it on Prime for three ninety nine or I'm

996
00:57:37.360 --> 00:57:38.480
sure I'm sure some of the other ones have it

997
00:57:38.559 --> 00:57:41.360
for three downey nine. But for all you HBO Max people,

998
00:57:41.760 --> 00:57:45.760
it's there. It's ready for you. We are ready for you.

999
00:57:46.159 --> 00:57:46.320
Uh.

1000
00:57:46.400 --> 00:57:49.280
Every Tuesday, if you want to get ahold of us

1001
00:57:49.559 --> 00:57:54.559
uh www dot a film by podcast dot com. You

1002
00:57:54.599 --> 00:57:58.400
can email us a film by podcast at gmail dot

1003
00:57:58.400 --> 00:58:02.199
com and on Facebook and Twitter you'll find us at

1004
00:58:02.760 --> 00:58:08.079
a film by podcast, Brad. Uh, we're getting some some

1005
00:58:08.119 --> 00:58:10.159
fun stuff us in our way. People are giving us

1006
00:58:10.159 --> 00:58:14.119
some reviews as always, you know the drill. You give

1007
00:58:14.199 --> 00:58:19.039
us a good review on on on Facebook, on Apple, podcasts,

1008
00:58:19.079 --> 00:58:21.920
on Google, on any of these ones. All you gotta

1009
00:58:21.920 --> 00:58:24.320
do is let us know and we'll be sending you

1010
00:58:24.360 --> 00:58:28.440
out some some nice film by swag like a stickers

1011
00:58:28.440 --> 00:58:30.920
and and some other fun stuff right right.

1012
00:58:31.239 --> 00:58:32.960
Yeah, we're gonna come up with some new stuff.

1013
00:58:32.679 --> 00:58:34.679
Too, absolutely. Yeah. New year, we got some new stuff

1014
00:58:34.679 --> 00:58:35.519
in the in the works.

1015
00:58:36.159 --> 00:58:36.280
Uh.

1016
00:58:36.519 --> 00:58:39.480
Speaking of some fun stuff in the works. Uh, I'm

1017
00:58:39.519 --> 00:58:45.039
excited about next Tuesday because, as you said, Brad, you

1018
00:58:45.079 --> 00:58:49.800
were more of a bmxer and we have got the

1019
00:58:49.880 --> 00:58:52.440
quintessential BMX movie.

1020
00:58:53.000 --> 00:58:54.920
Wait is it is it BMX Bandits.

1021
00:58:56.920 --> 00:59:01.239
It is not. It is not BMX band It's I'm

1022
00:59:01.239 --> 00:59:04.039
talking about the Crew Jones story. I'm talking about RAD.

1023
00:59:04.880 --> 00:59:07.519
So if it's not being Mex Bandits, it must be RAD.

1024
00:59:07.679 --> 00:59:11.840
Yeah, it is RAD. And we're doing We're doing RAD

1025
00:59:11.880 --> 00:59:16.800
for our nineteen eighty six series. Gonna be joined by

1026
00:59:16.960 --> 00:59:21.840
the Comically Unaware podcast, So doing a little collaboration with

1027
00:59:21.880 --> 00:59:23.679
those guys. They've got some fun stuff on their on

1028
00:59:23.719 --> 00:59:27.880
their podcast, so they'll be joining us for a talk

1029
00:59:28.239 --> 00:59:32.800
about all things RAD and uh and Brad, I got

1030
00:59:32.840 --> 00:59:35.079
I got a surprise for you, And I know I'm

1031
00:59:35.079 --> 00:59:38.239
supposed to run this body before we we let everyone know.

1032
00:59:38.360 --> 00:59:43.400
But one more thing about Catherine Hardwick. Did you know

1033
00:59:44.239 --> 00:59:47.960
that she was also a production designer on a nineteen

1034
00:59:47.960 --> 00:59:55.039
eighty six movie called Thrashing starring Josh Brolin. No, she

1035
00:59:55.320 --> 00:59:59.800
not only was the production designer. She is seen on

1036
01:00:00.119 --> 01:00:03.440
camera in the opening credits when her name pops up

1037
01:00:03.440 --> 01:00:06.320
on the screen giving her the credit of production designer.

1038
01:00:06.920 --> 01:00:10.119
She's right there. And if you think I'm not doing

1039
01:00:10.119 --> 01:00:14.760
a bonus episode of nineteen eighty six to discuss Thrashing.

1040
01:00:14.599 --> 01:00:16.000
I guess you're gonna have to now.

1041
01:00:16.000 --> 01:00:18.559
You damn well, no, I'm going to because we're I mean,

1042
01:00:18.599 --> 01:00:23.440
come on, Dogtown rad Thrashing. We got a whole theme

1043
01:00:23.480 --> 01:00:28.079
going on here. I can't I cannot wait for it,

1044
01:00:28.159 --> 01:00:31.920
So the fun in March continues.

1045
01:00:33.599 --> 01:00:36.920
Fun never stops here on a film by.

1046
01:00:36.519 --> 01:00:37.840
That's all right, we'll see you next time.

1047
01:00:38.199 --> 01:00:44.559
Thank wake up, Thank God, something this same you.

1048
01:00:47.000 --> 01:00:52.039
It's late September. I really should be back at school.

1049
01:00:55.480 --> 01:01:03.719
She'd be amused, used or the Maggie. I couldn't never

1050
01:01:03.920 --> 01:01:13.480
tried anymore. You led me away from just to save

1051
01:01:13.599 --> 01:01:17.400
you for being you stole know