Nov. 4, 2024
Danny DeVito - Throw Mama From the Train

The night was... Jeff and David discuss Danny DeVito's directorial feature film debut from 1987 that incorporates an Alfred Hitchcock classic, the comedic genius of Billy Crystal, and a career-best performance from Anne Ramsey in Throw Mama From the...
The night was...
Jeff and David discuss Danny DeVito's directorial feature film debut from 1987 that incorporates an Alfred Hitchcock classic, the comedic genius of Billy Crystal, and a career-best performance from Anne Ramsey in Throw Mama From the Train!
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Jeff and David discuss Danny DeVito's directorial feature film debut from 1987 that incorporates an Alfred Hitchcock classic, the comedic genius of Billy Crystal, and a career-best performance from Anne Ramsey in Throw Mama From the Train!
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I gotta ask you, do you have a favorite murder mystery?
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A favorite murder mystery? I would probably say knives Out.
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I see, I'm thinking knives Out too.
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I love a good murder mystery, and I want to
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talk about one, uh specifically, I want to talk about
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a film by Danny DeVito, of all people, his uh,
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his nineteen eighty seven murder mystery, if you can call
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it that, Throw Mama from the Train.
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Yes, hello, everybody.
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I'm Jeff Johnson, David Burns, and this is a film
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by podcast Danny DeVito.
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Why not?
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So why not?
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Why not? Why not?
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And why not throw Mama from the train? So, h, Dave,
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you've seen You've seen this plenty of times?
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Right, Actually, I've seen it a couple of times. I
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saw it a long, long time ago, and then I
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just saw it recently as of this morning, because I
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wanted to get it fresh in my mind. So yeah,
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I have stampque a few times.
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So right right off the get go, you like it,
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you don't like it? What do you think about this movie?
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I do like it. It gives me. I mean, obviously,
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I grew up in the eighties, so it's got those
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eighty vibes obviously, but it's the humor that I like
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from Tom Hanks movies too, like The Money Pit and
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those kind of things. It has that same kind of humor,
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same kind of vibe in my opinion.
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I'll tell you one thing I like about the comedy
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you mentioned. It's got that eighties vibe to it. And
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I think it's interesting that you said Tom Hanks because
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this is written by Stu Silver, who, aside from writing
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this movie, I know he helped write Good Morning Vietnam,
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but he's mainly known for his writing on the Tom
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Hanks sitcom was Some Buddies with People. I loved that
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see a lot of people. It makes me sad because
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a lot of people don't remember that show or they
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don't know that show, and that's classic Tom Hanks as Yeah, and.
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Then this guy.
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He also did a lot of writing on Soap, which
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was a Billy Crystal Billy Crystal sitcom. So I guess
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that's maybe why you get Billy Crystal, or maybe maybe
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Billy Crystal brought him in.
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I don't know. I didn't I don't know that. I
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don't know who brought who, but good combination either way.
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It is absolutely Yeah, So this movie, so Throw Mama
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from the Train.
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For those that have not seen it, it's it's a
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dark comedy and loosely inspired by nineteen fifty one's Strangers
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on a Train, which was directed by Alfred Hitchcock.
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Yep.
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And I say loosely because they even they reference the movie.
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Obviously it's you know, you don't have Throw Mama from
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the Train without Strangers on a Train. Like it's it
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definitely informs the movie.
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That's where that's where Owen gets his idea too.
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Absolutely. Yeah.
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So you know, for those that haven't seen it, basically
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you're dealing with Billy Crystal playing Larry Donner is amazing writer,
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wrote the Great American novel. His ex wife steals it
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and it's a blockbuster, and since then he's got writer's block.
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He can't he just can't perform, you know, he can't,
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he can't write. He's so wrapped up on you know,
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his hatred for her.
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But he was, yeah, the night, the night was the
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night was I love, such a great scene was. But
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he's wrapped up and he's got to make ends meet.
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So he's teaching writing classes at a community college where
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he meets uh Owen Lift played by Danny DeVito, and
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Owen is this middle aged.
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Man, very meek, very kind of a victim.
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I would say, I would even say childlike to be.
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Honest, definitely childlike.
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Uh lives with his mother, who is played by the
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amazing Anne Ramsey, and you know, I would say he's
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it's it's an abusive relationship for sure. Uh, most to
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the point that that that Owen daydreams. He he fantasizes
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about killing his mother. He hates her that much that
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he just wants her to die. And that's where this
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whole thing happens. Like you know, you you kill you know,
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it's the it's.
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The swap, It's the crisscross strangers. Yeah, strangers are on
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a train. You know.
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You you you murder someone for me, and I'll murder
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someone for you. And that, you know, it's all it's
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it's motive and and alibi. You gotta have a lot
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of one and none of the other. That's where this'
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that's where this movie comes together. Interestingly enough, though, the
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movie doesn't happen without a little bit of swapping between studios.
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Did you hear about did you read about this? Or
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did you know about this?
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Yeah? I did between Warner Brothers and Orion I believe,
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isn't it.
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Yeah, So.
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You know, Orion says, hey, we we need strangers on
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a train. Warner Brothers is like, nah, I don't think so.
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But then they're trying to make a sequel to Arthur
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with Dudley Moore, and they find out that Orion has
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the rights to that, so they're like, oh, well, we'll
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give them this Alfred Hitchcot movie and we'll take Arthur.
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They made Arthur two on the Rocks, which Bob Yeah,
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just a critical disaster, and then meanwhile, Throw Mama from
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the Train. You know, it did pretty good for eighty seven.
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You know, I think fourteen million dollar budget does half
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that its opening weekend, and ended up goes on to
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like do like fifty eight million, which back then, you know,
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in eighty seven, that's that's that's decent.
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It's a lot of money.
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There's a lot of money.
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I like the idea though, of studios kind of working together,
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you know, and it really goes with the theme of
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this movie, you know, the criss cross. You know, you
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give me your your property and I'll give you mine,
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you know.
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So I really appreciate that about this let's talk about
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Ann Ramsey for a second, please do.
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Okay, So, yeah, this is this is definitely for me.
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You've got some great supporting actors in this movie. You've
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got some good cameos, Rob Reiner for example, playing Billy
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Crystal's agent Joel who fires him. But really this comes
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down to three people, you know, even even Kim Grease,
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who you know, I know Brad and Dayton talked about
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on the Manhunter episode on ninety six. She's awesome in this,
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but yep, I mean, it really comes down to Billy Crystal,
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Danny DeVito, and Anne Ramsey. So Ann Ramsey playing Missus Lyft,
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obviously you got to say, like her most famous role, right,
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is gonna be gotta be Mama for Telly the Goodies?
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Absolutely right? Yep, Now I did.
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I did a little bit of a deep dive on
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Anne Ramsey's career and through the sixties seventies.
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She is she was like on every every TV show
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you could think of.
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She did a lot of stuff.
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I mean, from Wonder Woman to.
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Matt she was everywhere. It kinda I find it. I
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find it crazy that she's mostly famous for just playing
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bad mothers in only two movies.
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You know, yeah, because it's yeah, so memorable.
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Yeah, her screen time though in this ten minutes ten minutes.
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She's in this movie for ten minutes, and that is enough.
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Based on her performance, she's nominated for a Golden Globe. Yep,
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She's nominated for a Best Supporting Actress at the eighty
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eight Oscars and she wins a Saturn Award. That's pretty impressive.
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It is very impressive. And I'll tell you every even
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though she was in that only ten minutes, I'm telling
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you every second that she was on screen was gold
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And I can see why she was nominated for the
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Oscar for Best Supporting Actress because without her, without her performance,
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that movie would not have been nearly as good as
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it turned out to be.
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Could anybody else have played the role of Mama?
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No not in my opinion.
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I mean I always thinking about this. I can't think
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of one actress even close, right, And.
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I'm telling you the main driving force behind this for
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me to see this was her, because if she was
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so memorable from Gooni's that I wanted to see throwing
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Mama from the train because of her, not Billy Crystal
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and Danny DeVito, which don't get me wrong. Those two
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are iconic and very good actors. I wanted to see
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it because of her.
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Yeah, well, I mean yeah, what we were like what
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eleven when this came out? So and this is this
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is this is postgunies, right, Yes, yeah, I remember wanting
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to see it just based off of her in the
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in the previews, you know, smacking Danny de Video around
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and you know, you know she like kicks Billy Crystal
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on the groin and she's you know, screaming Owen.
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You know this is that Oh my god, Mama for
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Delly's back. You know, you're right, I can't. I think
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she's the draw for this movie. When you when you
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want to see it.
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And I'm telling you, anybody who knows this movie and
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as soon as you mention it, the first thing they're
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going to think of is Anne Ramsey. They may not
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know her by name like we do because we're film buffs,
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but I'm telling you that's the first thing they're going
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to think about.
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I I absolutely agree. Yeah, no one could play this
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role other than her. But uh, let's talk a little
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bit about the roles of Larry and Owen. There's interesting names.
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Here's some interesting pairings as this movie is. You know,
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Danny de Vito plans to direct it, right, Originally he
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wanted to play Larry and then decided, now I'm not
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I'm not I'm not Larry, and then he starts going out.
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Let me ask you what you think about some of
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these pairings. Initially Bill Murray playing Larry and Robin Williams
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playing Owen.
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It's tough to say yes to that. They're both fantastic actors,
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and it just after after seeing Danny DeVito and the
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Billy Crystal and the Roles, it's tough to see anybody else.
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But maybe maybe, I.
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Mean, that's two comedic geniuses right there. They are with
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Murray and Williams. CO mean, could you imagine an Ramsey
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slapping Robin Williams around?
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I could probably see that.
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Yeah, I could see I could see it. I don't know.
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I don't know that that's the better choice, but let
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me let me let me try this one on for you. You
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mentioned Tom Hanks. Tom Hanks was up for the role
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of Larry, and this is eighty seven, so you know
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this is the money pit Tom Hanks, You know, I
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think he would have been fantastic as as.
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Larry Donner he would have been fantastic in that role.
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And here's who they're looking at to play opposite him
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for Owen lift Joe PESHI considered, I could see that.
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Yeah, Dudley Moore.
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No, No, I mean I get I get that he
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was famous, he had Arthur happening, but I think at
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this point he's kind of he's kind of slipping as
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far as the popularity goes.
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Yep.
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And then this one, this one could have been a
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big one. John Candy, that.
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Would have been huge. I really could have seen him
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in that as Owen.
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Yeah, as Owen.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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So so you got Tom Hanks playing opposite John Candy,
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you got Bill Murray playing opposite Robin Williams, and we
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ended up with Billy Crystal versus or opposite Danny DeVito. Really,
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I could have seen neither one of these movies, So
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what you would have it would.
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Have best pairing. I'm gonna probably go with Tom Hanks
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and John Candy.
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Do you think Candy up against the Ann Ramsey, Yeah?
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Absolutely.
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I I don't know.
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I think you don't think he could pull off the
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childlike that Danny DaVita was able to pull off.
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I think I think he can all right, I think
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he could have done it, But there's something about de
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Vito in this movie that is is a little sad, yeah,
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I think Candy would have knocked it out of the park,
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