Danny DeVito - Throw Mama From the Train

0:01 I gotta ask you, do you have a favorite murder mystery? A favorite murder mystery? I would probably say knives Out. I see, I'm thinking knives Out too. I love a good murder mystery, and I want to talk about one, uh specifically, I want to talk about a film by Danny DeVito, of all people, his uh, his nineteen eighty seven murder mystery, if you can call it that, Throw Mama from the Train. Yes, hello, everybody.

1:01 I'm Jeff Johnson, David Burns, and this is a film by podcast Danny DeVito. Why not? So why not? Why not? Why not? And why not throw Mama from the train? So, h, Dave, you've seen You've seen this plenty of times? Right, Actually, I've seen it a couple of times. I saw it a long, long time ago, and then I just saw it recently as of this morning, because I wanted to get it fresh in my mind. So yeah, I have stampque a few times. So right right off the get go, you like it, you don't like it? What do you think about this movie? I do like it. It gives me. I mean, obviously, I grew up in the eighties, so it's got those eighty vibes obviously, but it's the humor that I like from Tom Hanks movies too, like The Money Pit and those kind of things. It has that same kind of humor, same kind of vibe in my opinion.

1:50 I'll tell you one thing I like about the comedy you mentioned. It's got that eighties vibe to it. And I think it's interesting that you said Tom Hanks because this is written by Stu Silver, who, aside from writing this movie, I know he helped write Good Morning Vietnam, but he's mainly known for his writing on the Tom Hanks sitcom was Some Buddies with People. I loved that see a lot of people. It makes me sad because a lot of people don't remember that show or they don't know that show, and that's classic Tom Hanks as Yeah, and. Then this guy. He also did a lot of writing on Soap, which was a Billy Crystal Billy Crystal sitcom. So I guess that's maybe why you get Billy Crystal, or maybe maybe Billy Crystal brought him in.

2:34 I don't know. I didn't I don't know that. I don't know who brought who, but good combination either way. It is absolutely Yeah, So this movie, so Throw Mama from the Train. For those that have not seen it, it's it's a dark comedy and loosely inspired by nineteen fifty one's Strangers on a Train, which was directed by Alfred Hitchcock. Yep. And I say loosely because they even they reference the movie. Obviously it's you know, you don't have Throw Mama from the Train without Strangers on a Train. Like it's it definitely informs the movie. That's where that's where Owen gets his idea too.

3:16 Absolutely. Yeah. So you know, for those that haven't seen it, basically you're dealing with Billy Crystal playing Larry Donner is amazing writer, wrote the Great American novel. His ex wife steals it and it's a blockbuster, and since then he's got writer's block. He can't he just can't perform, you know, he can't, he can't write. He's so wrapped up on you know, his hatred for her. But he was, yeah, the night, the night was the night was I love, such a great scene was. But he's wrapped up and he's got to make ends meet.

3:56 So he's teaching writing classes at a community college where he meets uh Owen Lift played by Danny DeVito, and Owen is this middle aged. Man, very meek, very kind of a victim. I would say, I would even say childlike to be. Honest, definitely childlike. Uh lives with his mother, who is played by the amazing Anne Ramsey, and you know, I would say he's it's it's an abusive relationship for sure. Uh, most to the point that that that Owen daydreams. He he fantasizes about killing his mother. He hates her that much that he just wants her to die. And that's where this whole thing happens. Like you know, you you kill you know, it's the it's.

4:44 The swap, It's the crisscross strangers. Yeah, strangers are on a train. You know. You you you murder someone for me, and I'll murder someone for you. And that, you know, it's all it's it's motive and and alibi. You gotta have a lot of one and none of the other. That's where this' that's where this movie comes together. Interestingly enough, though, the movie doesn't happen without a little bit of swapping between studios. Did you hear about did you read about this? Or did you know about this? Yeah? I did between Warner Brothers and Orion I believe, isn't it. Yeah, So. You know, Orion says, hey, we we need strangers on a train. Warner Brothers is like, nah, I don't think so.

5:26 But then they're trying to make a sequel to Arthur with Dudley Moore, and they find out that Orion has the rights to that, so they're like, oh, well, we'll give them this Alfred Hitchcot movie and we'll take Arthur. They made Arthur two on the Rocks, which Bob Yeah, just a critical disaster, and then meanwhile, Throw Mama from the Train. You know, it did pretty good for eighty seven. You know, I think fourteen million dollar budget does half that its opening weekend, and ended up goes on to like do like fifty eight million, which back then, you know, in eighty seven, that's that's that's decent. It's a lot of money. There's a lot of money. I like the idea though, of studios kind of working together, you know, and it really goes with the theme of this movie, you know, the criss cross. You know, you give me your your property and I'll give you mine, you know.

6:18 So I really appreciate that about this let's talk about Ann Ramsey for a second, please do. Okay, So, yeah, this is this is definitely for me. You've got some great supporting actors in this movie. You've got some good cameos, Rob Reiner for example, playing Billy Crystal's agent Joel who fires him. But really this comes down to three people, you know, even even Kim Grease, who you know, I know Brad and Dayton talked about on the Manhunter episode on ninety six. She's awesome in this, but yep, I mean, it really comes down to Billy Crystal, Danny DeVito, and Anne Ramsey. So Ann Ramsey playing Missus Lyft, obviously you got to say, like her most famous role, right, is gonna be gotta be Mama for Telly the Goodies?

7:10 Absolutely right? Yep, Now I did. I did a little bit of a deep dive on Anne Ramsey's career and through the sixties seventies. She is she was like on every every TV show you could think of. She did a lot of stuff. I mean, from Wonder Woman to. Matt she was everywhere. It kinda I find it. I find it crazy that she's mostly famous for just playing bad mothers in only two movies. You know, yeah, because it's yeah, so memorable. Yeah, her screen time though in this ten minutes ten minutes.

7:53 She's in this movie for ten minutes, and that is enough. Based on her performance, she's nominated for a Golden Globe. Yep, She's nominated for a Best Supporting Actress at the eighty eight Oscars and she wins a Saturn Award. That's pretty impressive. It is very impressive. And I'll tell you every even though she was in that only ten minutes, I'm telling you every second that she was on screen was gold And I can see why she was nominated for the Oscar for Best Supporting Actress because without her, without her performance, that movie would not have been nearly as good as it turned out to be. Could anybody else have played the role of Mama?

8:36 No not in my opinion. I mean I always thinking about this. I can't think of one actress even close, right, And. I'm telling you the main driving force behind this for me to see this was her, because if she was so memorable from Gooni's that I wanted to see throwing Mama from the train because of her, not Billy Crystal and Danny DeVito, which don't get me wrong. Those two are iconic and very good actors. I wanted to see it because of her. Yeah, well, I mean yeah, what we were like what eleven when this came out? So and this is this is this is postgunies, right, Yes, yeah, I remember wanting to see it just based off of her in the in the previews, you know, smacking Danny de Video around and you know, you know she like kicks Billy Crystal on the groin and she's you know, screaming Owen.

9:24 You know this is that Oh my god, Mama for Delly's back. You know, you're right, I can't. I think she's the draw for this movie. When you when you want to see it. And I'm telling you, anybody who knows this movie and as soon as you mention it, the first thing they're going to think of is Anne Ramsey. They may not know her by name like we do because we're film buffs, but I'm telling you that's the first thing they're going to think about. I I absolutely agree. Yeah, no one could play this role other than her. But uh, let's talk a little bit about the roles of Larry and Owen. There's interesting names. Here's some interesting pairings as this movie is. You know, Danny de Vito plans to direct it, right, Originally he wanted to play Larry and then decided, now I'm not I'm not I'm not Larry, and then he starts going out.

10:16 Let me ask you what you think about some of these pairings. Initially Bill Murray playing Larry and Robin Williams playing Owen. It's tough to say yes to that. They're both fantastic actors, and it just after after seeing Danny DeVito and the Billy Crystal and the Roles, it's tough to see anybody else. But maybe maybe, I. Mean, that's two comedic geniuses right there. They are with Murray and Williams. CO mean, could you imagine an Ramsey slapping Robin Williams around? I could probably see that. Yeah, I could see I could see it. I don't know. I don't know that that's the better choice, but let me let me let me try this one on for you. You mentioned Tom Hanks. Tom Hanks was up for the role of Larry, and this is eighty seven, so you know this is the money pit Tom Hanks, You know, I think he would have been fantastic as as.

11:14 Larry Donner he would have been fantastic in that role. And here's who they're looking at to play opposite him for Owen lift Joe PESHI considered, I could see that. Yeah, Dudley Moore. No, No, I mean I get I get that he was famous, he had Arthur happening, but I think at this point he's kind of he's kind of slipping as far as the popularity goes. Yep. And then this one, this one could have been a big one. John Candy, that. Would have been huge. I really could have seen him in that as Owen. Yeah, as Owen. Yeah. Yeah. So so you got Tom Hanks playing opposite John Candy, you got Bill Murray playing opposite Robin Williams, and we ended up with Billy Crystal versus or opposite Danny DeVito. Really, I could have seen neither one of these movies, So what you would have it would.

12:13 Have best pairing. I'm gonna probably go with Tom Hanks and John Candy. Do you think Candy up against the Ann Ramsey, Yeah? Absolutely. I I don't know. I think you don't think he could pull off the childlike that Danny DaVita was able to pull off. I think I think he can all right, I think he could have done it, But there's something about de Vito in this movie that is is a little sad, yeah, and a little a little tragic. And I think with Candy, I think Candy would have knocked it out of the park, but it also would have been a little more slapsticky and comedic, more Three Stooges.

12:59 Like I could. I could see that, yeah, because there's one part in the film that just actually broke my heart is the scene when Danny the coins. Yes, I want to talk I do want to talk about the coin scene. Okay, we'll get to that, then we'll talk about that. But yeah, I see what you're saying, John, Canny would be a little bit more flapstick You're right, Three Stooges. Yeah, so yeah, I can see that. Bill Murray, I think is having too much fun playing like the like like they they think. Bill Murray and this the closest thing I've seen him do to the Larry Donner character, probably like Frank Cross and Scrooged, or maybe even Phil Connors in groundholl Day where he's he you know, because Billy Crystal has to lose his temper several times in this movie. He has to get a little angry, he has to get upset. But I believe Billy Crystal more. I think it's fun to watch him lose it. But at the same time, I believe that he's Larry Donner, you know, his hatred for his ex wife and his frustration over with the writer's block.

14:04 The role was perfect for Billy Crystal because it is, let's be honest, Billy Crystal plays Billy Crystal in just about everything he does, and I think that role was really I mean, there's some other some films out there. He does a pretty good job. Everything. He does a good job, man, But this was written for him. It seems like to me in my. I think we got the good I think we got the right pair because Tom Hanks would have been amazing as well. But I think he's too likable, you know. And I want to see Anne Ramsey kick Billy Crystal in the in the in the groin. It's funny, but I don't want to see him. I don't want to see her do that to Tom Hanks. You know, he's the nicest guy in America. Like, you can't do that to Tom Hanks.

14:46 Tom Hank was in his prime at this time with all that movie, which is why he didn't get it, because because he was so busy. But I couldn't see him pulling off that he wants to murder somebody, even though I know Billy Crystal struggled with that. Yeah, I don't think Tom Hank could pull that off. Billy Crystal, Yes, you could. You believed him in it. Well, I mean, let's let's face it, Tom Hanks, I think the only time he's he's been even remotely a bad guy. Mm hmmm. Uh probably once wrote to Predition, rote to Predition, And even then, I mean, he's a he's a hit man for what, the mob or whatever. But you still you'll like him, You still. Like him, Yeah, you can't.

15:26 You can't not like Tom oh Man. So anything you anything bolised you about the movie, anything that didn't work for you. So, after watching it again with it being fresh in my mind, the opening sequence, which I do find funny, just felt a little slow in my opinions, with with him you know, a night with him trying to strut with the first line of his new novel. I felt that was a little drawn out, too much, kind of a slow opening for a film. But once you get to a certain point and you look back at it, then you're like, Okay, so that did work. I understand where they're going with it, and you know, now I'm involved into the story, and I find it more humorous after that build up in the very beginning. I just that's the only thing that I didn't like. I felt was just the slow opening.

16:17 I agree with you. It's a little slow, and you're like, wait, man, we're really harping on this whole thing. Yeah, exactly, But for the end, I mean you, I feel like, yeah, it's slow, but you almost need it, because all right, I agree with you that you do need it, even though you don't want to at first, because you know, when we get into this whole thing and Owen, you know, for you know, we assume that he's killed Billy Crystal's ex wife, it's like, hey, you need to. Kill my mom. Billy Crystal wants nothing to do with this insane plot, and he's slowly, you know, she starts to be abusive with him, you know, when he's the lift house, he starts to slowly think maybe I could do this. But it's it's that very end when they're on the train, when he's on the lamb and they're talking about good writing and good plot and he mentions like the best of I think he mentions a Telortoo cities, and all of a sudden she and Anne Ramsay has that moment where she corrects him, and you know, she's like, the night was sultry and that look Billy Crystal's look in his eyes is nothing but murder.

17:29 And then you believe it. Yeah, He's like, that's it. I'm gonna kill her, you know. And it has nothing to do with anything, but he just didn't. He's been searching for the perfect line this whole time, and Mama gives it to him, and yeah, he snaps, So, uh the whole train thing? Did you pick up on this? Like the how it? How? It? Kind of there's a lot of foreshadowing, you know. I mean, I'm not talking just about him seeing the movie Strangers on a train, but uh, you know, because like, what are we talking about? Because Owens in his in his writing class, Owens a terrible writer, right, but the guy in the hat killed the other guy in the hat. You know, he is a terrible writer. And Billy Crystal just says, hey, you know you need to understand how plot works. You need to understand motive and Alibi go go see Go see Hitchcock, you know, and he goes and sees strangers on the train, and that's and he thinks Danny de Video's characters like I did it criss cross, I'll kill his wife and he'll kill my mom, you know, because he's that delusional, he's that sad.

18:35 I loved it though, Yeah, this is this is just a fun movie. It really is. So do you want you want to talk a little bit about uh the Vito his his filmography. We we can. I want to go back and talk about anth for just a minute before, but let's leave her because let's go back so much to talk about what do you go So if when you watch the film, you realize Anne has really has a speech impediment during this film, and we to when you find out that she had been battling throat cancer before this film and she was actually in the middle of some more surgery to help fix the throat cancer, which is why her voice is really really off in this film. But she did not stop to perform. I know Danny de Vito like praised her in regards that, like, you know, she was in a lot of pain, but she never ever stopped performing in the role of Mama. And you know that in itself should have got her an Oscar, But you know that's besides the point le she was nominated for it. But just to show that, you know, how Anne was dedicated to being Mama in this with the pain she was struggling with, just just adds so much more dimension to this film.

19:51 Oh well, I had no idea, so I you know, because I was introduced to her as Mama for Telly, and you know, she's just she's just brash and you know, very very heavy voice. Right right. And yeah, now that I think about it, there is her speech is just a little a little strained in. This it's slurred. You can really tell slurred. Yeah, I hadn't. I didn't even think about that. So wow, she's filming this during surgery with throat cancer. Wow. Yeah, and parent them within a lot of pain and doing a lot of her performances. And she even did the stunts at the end of the film on the train. Did you know that, I did it?

20:31 Come on, she did she did this the train stuff. Yeah, she did her own stunts. That's how fantastic. She was, man, wow, that's amazing. But you know, and it's sad, like when we talk about Anne Ramsey because this movie comes out in nineteen eighty seven, and if you if you follow it, you know when when the whole thing's over, they do one. Of those one year later situations. So technically in the film, it's nineteen eighty eight, one year late here, and you know, Billy. Crist was like, hey, how's mama, and Billy. And Danny Vitos' is us She's she's she's dead, you know, she she passed away, and what Yeah, natural causes it. But what's sad is that we lost Ann Ramsey in nineteen eighty eight.

21:14 So it almost it like, you know, it queued up almost almost perfect with the movie, which you know, definitely sad, you know, because I think, I think this woman, Yeah, she has a long, storied career in television, but she was really just hitting her stride in the eighties because if she wouldn't have been sick, Like, imagine what other crazy stuff she could have done, or what other movies she could have been a part of, right, because she had that specific look, she had that specific sound, it would have been fun to see her and more stuff. Definitely, yep, definitely the Veto. So you know, tons of acting credits, the guys still the guy's still acting.

21:58 You know. I love him on It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia playing Frank Reynold's perfect. Oh yeah. I mean, the guy's been doing it fifteen years and he just continues to his character continues to evolve into I'm telling you, if that show runs like another three or four years, he will be the Penguin character from from Batman Returns. He's getting close and I love it. I know, I know, I'm. Thinking speaking of penguin, isn't he writing a comic book in regards to his character as the Penguin? Yeah, so he's doing a graphic novel. Yes, And I know this is all with the whole Batman Returns thing that's going on or not the Batman Returns thing, But you know, Keaton's coming back to play Batman in the Flash movie and this has launched this whole thing. Where are the rest of them? The Vito's doing a comic, a graphic novel on his Penguin character. That's awesome, man, I want to I mean, you know, so like I'm assuming he writes it. I wonder I want to see who DC's going to get to illustrate it, because that that would be pretty cool to see, Like what is the story? You know, does it place after Batman returns?

23:01 Is it before? What is he doing? That just shows you his body of work. I mean, he just he doesn't want to stop. He just keeps going more with more and more, and I love that. I mean, has he directed any episodes of of the of his recent. Series of Sonny You know, I don't know that he has. He might have. I know he before his uh, his feature film debut, directorial debut, which was which is this movie Throw Mama from the Train? I know he had done uh some taxi because you know he was he played people's on that show. I think he did amazing stories or did did one of the did an episode of that maybe? But he had done some TV he done, he done a little bit of TV work. Eighty seven, he does Throw Mama from the Train, and I feel quite successful right out the get go. Uh. Two years later, one of my favorites, he does The War of the Roses with Kathleen Kathleen Turner and Michael Douglas. That that's one of those verts. It's a lot of people don't think about it, but I always look at that as one of those fun Christmas movies that's not technically a Christmas.

24:13 Movie because the whole movie takes place during Christmas time or off and on. So I love that one. He switches gears though, because I don't think anyone does. I mean, he does dark comedy really good, which is what these two movies are. But then you know, what is it? Three years later he switches up, goes the dramatic route with Haffa and him and Nicholson getting together. Did what did did you see? Halfa? I have not to be honest with you, I've never seen Haffa. I'm telling you right now. It's fantastic mm hmm. Critically underrated. I don't know why it didn't get more more attention.

24:56 And you know, he does one of those he has a small role in it, but again he's like he's one of those tough guys that you believe, like like a like a Joe Pesci, right, And it's one of those things like I didn't know you always hear like growing up, like especially for people our age, like you always hear these these. Uh you know, the whole Jimmy Haffa thing. You know, who who where's Jimmy Hoffer, you know where's he buried? Who killed him? All this stuff. I never knew. I never understood who Jimmy haff was. But and I'm not saying that this movie is, you know, historically accurate, but you know, when you you kind of watch it, it's it's it's a it's informative. I'll say that. You know, if you if you don't understand like who the teamsters were and and what Jimmy Haffer did and all that all that stuff, it's definitely I put it on your list.

25:41 I will, I'll definitely give it a shot. Then how about Matilda? Hey, classic, that's a classic. What's what was her name, the actress who played his daughter, the. One that played Robin Williams's daughter. Yes, and I don't know was it missed out? Fire? Yeah, missus doubt fire. Yeah, I don't rememberho her name was. She was a very talented young actress. She helped make that movie. Yes, Yes, even though you know Danny DeVito directed that, did he write that? Because I know he played like one of the evil parents. If I remember correctly. Well, yeah, well so I'm I'm gonna get to I'll be shamed for the saying this. But I never seen Matilda. Oh wow, Really, I know it's one of yeah.

26:23 Yeah, but well, I mean, I want to be even, but I know Matilda has a very big phone. You know, it's got its cult status. I I know stuff about Matilda just from I've never seen the movie, but I know that, you know, like the whole chocolate cake thing, I know it comes from Matilda. But he, you know, like that's what I love about DeVito here, he just goes. He kind of flips back and forth like he he does a couple of dark comedies. Let's try something historically, you know, uh, impactful like Hafa. Let's do it. Let's do a kid's movie. And then years later he's right back to the dark comedy stuff because he's doing and Death of Smoochie and Duplex. I never saw Death of Smoochie. I don't know a whole lot about that one.

27:07 Yeah, I didn't see that. In order Duplex, to be honest with you. Duplex, I did see. I don't want to say, don't want to I don't want to say it's forgettable. It's fun. You know, if you've seen it, you know you'll you'll watch it, you'll enjoy it. But again, back to that that dark comedy where I think it's Ben Stiller and Drew Barrymore get like this amazing place and it comes with this tenant who you know, old woman who she's like the. Old woman from Hell. You can't get rid of her, and so it has its merit. It's it's fun. It's still fun. Okay, yeah, absolutely, But I kind of that's two thousand and three. I kind of wonder where, did you know, how come we do get more Davido because it's it's two thousand and six. When I think he starts filming, Uh, it's always something in Philadelphia. I think that's when the Frank Grenals character shows up.

27:58 Yeah, so I believe it's been on that long. My goodness, it's out there. But like I said, I love that show. They could go another ten years and I'd be happy. Yeah. I think Danny DeVito has done a bunch of short films. I think he's directed over maybe the last ten to fifteen years. Nothing that comes to mind, but if I remember correctly, he did some shorts. If you're Okay, so let me ask you this because you're you're a documentary filmmaker and you've done some shorts. Now when you're at Danny DeVito's level, are you doing that kind of Are you doing that stuff just as passion projects just for fun or or what's the motive behind that? Because is he going to film festivals with it?

28:46 Or what's I think for for de Vito? Because as you know, when you get these big budget films with studios, you know how demanding they are, you know how they want to take control of projects and stuff like that and take a vision away from the direct So I think that's what Danny DeVito does with a lot of these shorts because he has complete control on him and it's a passion that That's what I feel. I know that's what happened to Joe Dante. He got tired of the studios, so he left and started doing like independent stuff. So I think that's where Danny DeVito went. You know, he has a passion for making films directing them, so he just started doing short films, even though he does his television series which keeps him occupied doing that for forever. Now it seems like but yeah, I think that's what it is. It's all passion.

29:30 Well, I want to talk about what's next for him, but that's this is a you know, we're talking about a mystery, murder mystery. This is a bit of a mystery because I you know, I don't know if you saw this. I'm looking up, like, what's what's he got coming out? And you know, apparently he has a completed film called Saint Sebastian. Do you know about this one? I do not. This is weird, Okay, Saint Sabat And we talked about him kind of going you know, he he kind of goes all over the map, right, So listen to this. Saint Sebastian is a thriller about survivors in post apocalyptic Russia after a nuclear war.

30:14 What does that? I mean? That does not sound with Danny de Vito at all. Not even close. And here's where him well yeah, but here's where the mystery comes into play. They finished shooting it in twenty twelve. Wait what two twenty twelve? This is what I'm this is what I'm reading on IMDb. They finish it in twenty twelve, and it's still not yet. It's it's yet to be released. Now, what is going on with that? Because I could not find anything about who has it or why the hold up? Mystery? There's the mystery, what's taking so long?

30:57 This might be a movie. Usually when a movie takes it that long, it's a bad sign for it. But what what is going on with this film? Yeah? And the only other thing I could I could find, you know, because Devido typically will play a small role in the movies he directs, right, you know, aside from Domma for the Train where he's a coat. You know, he's he's the co star, right, he still at least does a cameo. He wasn't listed in the in the you know, the credits with anybody. It's like William Fickner. I don't know if I'm saying that, right, I think? And Lance Lance Reddick. Reddit Ridtick. Yes, yeah, he's a fantastic actor. Oh I love that guy.

31:38 But it's it's those two guys they're listed in the credits. And the only other thing I could find is that it's the first movie for di Vido. Where he doesn't use a film score. There's no film score. No film score. Apparently there's no release, so. I guess you don't need music if you don't have a release. But you gotta wonder, like what what's the cause for that? Like what what's holding this movie up? You know, because when it's been this long and there's nothing to talk about, there's no there's no information. That's a situation where someone has rights to something and not giving it up and there or someone's holding out and you know they can they just can't agree. That's exactly what it sounds like. But I'm very interested to see it.

32:20 Well let's uh, you know, whether or not we do get to see Saint Sebastian. M h. What would you want to see Davito do, like if you if. He's if he was goeting to get you know, get behind getting the director's share again, any thoughts on what you'd like to see. I'd like to see him and Tom Hanks pair up something new today with Tom Hanks. And yes, let's bring Tom Hanks back to some kind of comedy that the dude has like proven himself over and over that he can do drama and it's been a while since he's given us something good comedic wise. And I could see Danny DeVito directing Tom Hanks in a new film. That's what I want to see anyway. What it's about, I don't know, but I would like to see a you know, a dark comedy like he's Danny Davito is really good for bringing to it.

33:09 Come on, what was that? What was that dark comedy that Hanks did? Like the last time we saw him do comedy? Do you remember what that was? It was like the heist movie with JK. Simmons. He played like the southern genteel guy. Oh yeah, what was that? I don't remember. The movie is escaping my mind right now, the title of it. I think that's the last time I saw him do a comedy though, right. Yeah, when was that thing you do? Because that was kind of a comedy. I guess that thing you do I would say was probably ninety six. Oh is that long ago? Oh yeah, that's been a while. I would say that's a I'd call that. I'd do comedy with.

33:50 That, Yeah, maybe, but it's been a while. Come on, that's what Danny Divito would be perfect to bring Tom Hanks back into his comedic roles. Now you're putting him on the screen with Hanks is the question? Mm, why not? I don't see any reason not too. Yeah, even if it's a small role for Danny DeVito, I would like to see him on screen with Tom Hanks, because have they done anything together, you know, in a film. It's weird because suspiciously, Tom Hanks has popped up in our conversation a lot in this one. Yeah, but I can't think of a movie where the two of them were together. And this is Billy and Crystal, Dandy Vito is their only time they're on screen together. This is their only time.

34:30 Yeah, absolutely, so, Yeah, I think you're right. I think, you know, divida one thing that I'm now that I think about. The thing that he excels at is playing opposite someone in a fun, comedic setting. You know, he's got this with Billy Crystal. You got to talk about twins with Arnold. Yep, Yeah, you're right, I could totally. I would definitely want to see him pair up with Hanks. I don't know what the movie is, but yeah, no idea. I would. Uh, I'd be up for it. Absolute, let's do it. Let's get it together, all right, call the agents, make it happen. Oh man, So I'll tell you if you're if you're looking for this film, it's actually free on the Pluto app if you if you have that, uh, I know, you can get it on Amazon, Apple, Voodoo, all those you're gonna pay a couple of bucks for it. I've got I've got the DVD that I bought like probably twenty years ago, still still plays just fine. But for those of you out there that that maybe haven't seen this are intrigued by the Strangers on a Train situation, yeah, check it out on Pluto.

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36:22 Well, thank you again, Dave, and to all of you listening, thank you. We'll see you next time.