March 2, 2025

Darren Aronofsky - Black Swan

Darren Aronofsky - Black Swan
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Season 6 A Film By...

Jeff and Amber dive into duality, obsession, and the pursuit of perfection in Darren Aronofsky's dark, psychological horror film, Black Swan!

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Are you familiar with the French word marred?

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Marred, marred m E R d E. You you always

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correct my French pronunciation. So now I don't know. I

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don't know mad, mad mad? What is? What is mad?

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It means shit?

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Okay?

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Would it surprise you to know that? That is what

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dancers tell each other before going on stage.

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They wait, like they say, they say marred like.

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Yes, you know, like actors will say break a leg.

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Yeah, break a leg, you know, but you don't really want.

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To say that to a dancer. No, that would not

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be appropriate. So as like you're going on stage and

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you do your little pre stage ritual, you know, some

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of them high five and do a little dance or whatever,

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and then they married.

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I'm a I'm looking like Gudenoff in my tights. I'm

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about to jump on stage and do puirwets and what

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have you. And you you look at me and you

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just say shit.

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Well I say marred, and I'm like yeah. So here's

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the thing. In late in the late eighteen hundreds, people

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traveled to the Paris opera ballet and horse drawn carriages.

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So if there was going to be if it was

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a big show and there's going to be a big audience.

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There would of course be many carriages and a lot

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of horseshit right in front of the building, because this

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is what happens when you have horse drawn carriages. So

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the dancers would say marred, meaning there's a big crowd tonight,

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good luck dance.

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Well all right, all right, Well in that case, let's uh,

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let's cut right to the marred. I want to talk

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about a film by Aaron Aronofsky, his twenty ten underrated

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psychological thriller Black Swan. Hello and welcome back.

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I'm Jeff Johnson, I'm Amber Lewis, and this is a

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film by podcast. So a quick shout out Amber to

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Instagram user jj rbs nineteen eighty five. Now, look, I'm

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gonna be upfront, Amber. I think we could do a

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lot better with our social media. You know, we post,

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we just don't post every day. We don't have you know.

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Yeah, we're researching, We're doing a lot research for these movies.

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But but I did want to call out jj rbs

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nineteen eighty five, who had a comment on our post

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for uh Lee Daniels the paper Boy. It's it's oh

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my god. It's been been a little bit since we

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talked about that one, but we did.

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We but because I just thought about that episode the

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other day because I well because I kept texting you

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Ballets to watch.

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Oh that's right, and I was like, if.

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He says one word, I'm going to be like, look,

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I sat through ninety minutes whatever the hell that was.

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He's awesome. Uh. But here I just wanted to I

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just wanted to call out this uh, this Instagram user.

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Uh.

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They commented on our posts, saying, before yesterday, my mother

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and I were watching The paper Boy on TV. I

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already had watched this film in the cinema twelve years ago.

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This film, it's entertaining. So you know, we thank you

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JJRBS nineteen eighty five because some of us agree with

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you me some of us might not, but it.

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And I'm glad that you watched and.

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You shared absolutely. So, speaking of watching Amber last night

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the ninety seventh Academy Awards were held, I know you

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watched it, and I'm curious. I predicted a Nora. Your

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thoughts on it winning Best Picture.

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Well, you know it was not my pick. Conclave was

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my pick. But you know that Academy not asked me entertaining.

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Nonetheless, so right.

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Yes, yes, for sure.

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Yeah, you know, The Substance was nominated for Best Picture,

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and it always makes me happy to see a horror

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film get nominated. Yes, the Academy has recognized only six

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other horror films with a nomination for Best Picture, and Amber,

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I know you've seen all of them. I know you

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love all of them. I'm talking about The Exorcist in

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nineteen seventy three, Jaws in nineteen seventy five, the Silence

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of the Lambs in nineteen ninety one, the Sixth Sense

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in nineteen ninety nine, and Get Out in twenty seventeen.

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I mean, you've seen all these, you are.

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All like amazing. But I feel like, you know, even

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a less than one hundred percent drama can get nominated,

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But to be a horror movie and get nominated, you

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have to be like above and beyond the greatest movie ever.

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So I said six.

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Uh.

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I didn't mention The Blacks. I didn't mention Black Swan.

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It was the fifth horror movie to be nominated for

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Best Picture. U it was up against Winter's Bone, True Grit,

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Toy Story three, The Social Network, The Kids Are All

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Right inception The Fighter one hundred and twenty seven hours

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and the King's speech, which did win the.

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Oscar Yeah, and then should have.

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So okay, so you just answered part of my question

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I was gonna say, is is black Swan a horror film?

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Sub question? Did the did the right film win the

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Best Picture in twenty eleven? So clearly you're you're sayingn

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Inception should have won. Yes, But more importantly, is black

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Swan a horror film because that's what it's designated as.

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Yes, it's you would be confused if you were watching

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it thinking it was a ballet film, because it's tangentially

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about ballet. It is one hundred percent a horror film,

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like Rosemary's Baby is on the same shelf. Absolutely well.

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Darren Aronofsky was nominated for Best Director for Black Swan.

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So let's talk about him for a bit amber If

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you catch any behind the scenes documentary stuff for features,

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if you see him on talk shows, interviews, always clean cut,

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you know, maybe a well maintained mustache, short hair, always

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got a slick haircut, but he routinely does not shave

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or cut his hair while shooting his films. And if

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you watch like the behind the scenes stuff, he is

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one scraggly looking dude.

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As long as he bays, I'm sure he bathes.

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Yeah, it's only a matter of time before we see

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him direct a superhero film, because back in two thousand

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and one two thousand and two, he worked alongside Frank

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Miller on a Batman Year one film adaptation where he

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had hoped to cast Joaquin Phoenix as Batman. Funny how

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that turned out.

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To say that ship sailed.

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It certainly did. He famously was attached to and ultimately

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left production on twenty thirteen's The Wolverine. He didn't want

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to be filming outside the country for a prolonged period

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of time away from his family, which I can I

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can respect that, you know, and worked out pretty good

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because James Bengal took over for The Wolverine and it's

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pretty pretty sensational as far as I'm concerned. Yeah, he was.

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Also coming MCU stuff in Atlanta, so you can just

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hop on down to Atlanta.

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Maybe that'll work out for him. He was also considered

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for two thousand and six's X Men The Last Stand,

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two thousand and nine's Watchman, twenty thirteen's Men of Steel,

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and the proposed Gambit film that never happened. So like

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I said, you know what, Yeah.

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It's his time. We need like an Agatha, which kind

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of girl power.

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Movie like there there there may be a girl power

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movie coming, but it's not gonna be Agatha. I'm telling

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you that right now ain't gonna make it. I'm sorry,

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but he could he you know, he could be DC's

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answer to you know, maybe a new Wonder Woman. They

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gotta have a New Wonder Woman film at some.

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Point, so Superman as well, reboot them all.

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For rebooting Superman, Batman, the whole Gang so Amber. He

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claims that his one DVD, if stuck on a deserted island,

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that he could watch over and over again, would be

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Time Bandits.

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Not a bad choice, not a bad choice, I think

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right there.

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It does. It does. Back in twenty seventeen, speaking on

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the state of cinema, he was quoted as saying, if

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we want something new at the movies, you give them

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something new and they say, what the hell is that.

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The more these films succeed, the more chances we get

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weird ones made.

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I love that.

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I love it too. And when you think about his filmography,

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and I know you and I are gonna clash a

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little bit on his filmography, but it speaks to his work,

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I think, especially for Black Swan.

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Right, yes, yes, it's not like anything else.

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Well, for the listeners that need a refresher or maybe

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aren't aware of this film, you want to you want

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to give a little synopsis.

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Sure, Nina is a talented but unstable ballerina on the

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verge of stardom. Pushed to the breaking point by her

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artistic director and a seductive rival, Nina's grip on reality slips,

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plunging her into a waking nightmare.

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So Aeronovsky had read the Double a Petersburg poem by

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Fyodor Dostovsky, and you would like the linguistics thing.

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I can't help.

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That's that's one of the reasons why you were hired

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to make the proper Okay, who is it again? Is

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it Fyodor? Is that right?

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Dostoyevsky?

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Doss All right? Anyways, a Russian guy wrote a poem.

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He liked it, okay, But he sees Swan Lake and

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learns that one dancer is performing both the White Swan

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and the Black Swan, and he loves the duality of it.

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He makes the connection to the poem and the idea

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for this film is born. Now I know we're in

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your wheelhouse. This is I mean, it's I thought it

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was my wheelhouse because it's like a psychological horror film,

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but it's more your wheelhouse because we're in the world

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of ballet. And I might have had this as like

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a little little footnote, a little hey, let's talk about

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the background of the film. But I'm putting it front

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and center here. And if you don't know what I'm

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talking about, I'm talking about the dance double controversy because

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and I'm gonna quote here. Let me, let me, let me,

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let me just pull up your.

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Message as say, scroll back in your text.

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Yeah you wrote bruh. I'm just for warning you do

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not not all capitalized, by the way, do not fall

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for the propaganda that Natalie Portman did all her own

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dancing on this episode. It's just going to devolve into

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me yelling at you. So I was like, well, I

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guess we're gonna just get this out in the open immediately.

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So Portman's body and dance double Sarah Lane, made a

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public statement in twenty eleven that she was instructed not

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to give interviews until after the Awards season to ensure

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that Portman would get all the attention and dancing credibility.

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This is this weekn agree on right, yes, okay, because

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the last thing you want when you know she could Portman,

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you know she's she's in the running for Best Actress.

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They don't want n She's not.

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In the running for Best Dancer.

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Okay, okay, let's I get it. The Academy does not

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have that award yet, but they don't want to take

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away from her performance. I get that. You know when

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when actors and actresses go all you know, they delve

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into the world of their characters and they learn something

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or they do something insane to get the part. I

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get it. I get it now. However, to your to

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your point with how much of Nellie Portman is dancing

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and how much of Nlly Portman is not dancing, my

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research indicates that choreographer Benjamin Millipi is a Millipie Millipede

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all right, co star Milacunas, and the director himself, Darren Aronofsky,

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they all debunked the claims that most of the dancing

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scenes are Sarah Lane. Millipede said quote. There are articles

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now talking about her dance double, Sarah Lane, that are

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making it sound like she did a lot of the work,

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but really she just did the footwork. The is it

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in quick? What's what's a fuet?

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It's a turn where you kick out. You're standing on

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one foot and you kick out your other foot. Okay,

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pivot you around, Okay, so on point. And here's the

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thing in Swan, Like in every ballet, there's always like

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one step sequence that's really a signature move for that ballet.

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That's like, that's the move for Swa's the.

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Thing that everybody likes kind of waits for. Well, not

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just a fuet thirty two Okay, you're on one foot

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turning thirty two times.

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That's that's way too many times. But so he's he again,

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let me, let me finish his quote. He says, but

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really she meaning Sarah Lane did the footwork, the fuets

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and one diagonal phrase in the studio. Honestly, eighty five

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percent of that movie is Natalie. Now that's his quote,

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now me, Lacunis said, quote, Lane wasn't used for everything.

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It was more like a safety net. If Natalie wasn't

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able to do something, you'd have a safety net the

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same thing I had. I had a double as a

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safety net. We all did. No one ever denied it.

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And then lastly Aronofsky said, quote, here is the reality.

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I had my editor count shots. There are one hundred

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and thirty nine dance shots in the film. One hundred

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and eleven are Natalie Portman untouched. Twenty eight are her

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dance double, Sarah Lane. If you do the math, that's

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eighty percent Natalie Portman, So you know, eighty eighty five whatever.

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Now I want to what's what's what is your your rebuttal,

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miss Lewis, Well, my.

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Rebuttal is nowhere in there does anybody talk about how

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much of Natalie Portman is her shot from the waist up? Okay,

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So anytime I think they're all just spinning a tail

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to make her sound fabulous. She did work hard, she

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did train for a year, she did do a lot

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of the you know, presentation, and she looked like a

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dancer and she moved like a dancer. But anytime you

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see her in a mirror from the back, from far

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away on stage, that is not her. That is Sarah

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Lane with Natalie Portman's face digitally imposed.

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Over top, digitally posed. Hold on, now, this is this

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is a famously low budget for this film. You're saying

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they spent money on digitally, But.

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It's not like a close up where you have to really,

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you know, have it perfect. It's her from like fifth

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Row Orchestra, and you're looking at the stage. You know

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you can't see that well, so they don't. It's not

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like it's that hard. And Sarah Lane looks remarkably like

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Natalie Portman. If you're watching the movie the scene where

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uh Nina is after she gets the part, she's walking

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to the subway and she passes a girl walking past her,

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that's Sarah Laye.

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Okay, would now be a good time to expose the

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fact that you and Sarah Lane are lifelong friends. You

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danced together, you skated together. I'm kidding, all right, Look,

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I don't know.

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I'm gone, like I say it. I think Natalie Portman,

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I think she did work her butt off. I think

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Neilakun has worked her butt off, you know, But there's

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a difference between being able. I mean him saying it's

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quote unquote just the footwork, like are you kidding? Just

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standing appropriately alone as hard? Like, well, just the footwork.

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Can I ask a question, We're gonna cut to a

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We're gonna we're gonna cut to a break here in

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a minute, But do you want to ask one more

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question since we're talking about footwork? What's uh? You know?

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You you come from this world? What what's the deal

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with the scene where they're taking these brand new shoes

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and they're just basically just they're they're like destroying them.

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I don't understand what's going on there? Can you can

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you walk me through that?

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Yeah?

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Is that a real thing?

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That is absolutely a real thing. You go through a

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pair of shoes like every couple of days. What, Yeah,

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And what you do is every dancer is different. So

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some of them, you know, like you rip out the inside,

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you mark up the bottom, you bang the toe box

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on the ground to soften it. You'll sew stitches around

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the point to help it grip on the floor better.

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There's a scene you see her spraying it with water

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that loosens the satin. You have to sew on your ribbons.

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Then you dig the toe box into some rosin to

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roughen it up. You've bought like men's dress shoes before,

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like they're slippery when you first get them, so you

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have to kind of suffer scuff up the soles or

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you go flying and fall on your butt.

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No, I don't scuff them up. I slide across the

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dance floor in the you know. But okay, so I

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from the world of baseball, I can I can tell you.

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You know, I'd buy a new new glove and into it,

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I would massage ma shaving shoes came into it, and

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then I'd throw the ball into it. I'd wrap it

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up with a rubber band.

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With a rubber band. Yeah, it's the same.

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Well, I mean that makes sense.

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But like that you you know, it makes sense because

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you played baseball, you didn't dance.

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I'm just saying, like, I'm like, what I just assumed

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as she didn't like her shoes, and she's like, well, okay,

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because she's like destroying them. Like there's a scene with

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like broken glass. I was like, yes, the last time

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I seen that happen, it was Van dam and Kickbox

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here when yipping his gloves and glue and broken glass

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to fight the guy. Like, so okay, that's a real.

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Yes, that is a real thing. You distress your your.

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Ses, all right. Well, more on tow shoes and toes

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when we return, uh after these messages, welcome back, we

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are discussing Darren Aronofsky's Black Swan, so Natalie Portman playing

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Nina Sayers. According to Aeronofsky, I mean he's giving her

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a lot of credit for this film. The film was

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made due to her dedication and enthusiasm. Amber. You mentioned

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she had trained extensively for this. We're talking about dancing

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five hours a day, six days a week for a year.

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She paid for it all because at this point there's

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no movie. That's just the idea of a movie. And

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I'm sure it didn't help. I'm sure it didn't hurt

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that she she trained as a ballerina from ages four

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to thirteen. So yes, you know, here's what blows my mind. Though.

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We we've watched her grow up on film, right from

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the time of the professional leone. She's always had this

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this slender physique.

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Right, She's very tiny. I think she's only like five

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feet tall.

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Yeah, and she loses twenty pounds to look more like

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a ballerina. And when you're watching this, like you can

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literally she's I mean obviously she's clothed. You can you

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can count her ribs.

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Yes, she is so painfully thin.

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Yeah, I like she's living off of carrot sticks and

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fruit or something.

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Well, I mean you have to be because you're an athlete,

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but yeah, I mean that much athletic work, it just

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takes down nothing.

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It's almost sad to see her though, like so emaciated

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in this and I salerinos are supposed to be really tall,

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very tiny, but wow, I mean, I.

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Think that's something that's kind of fortunately not what it

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used to be. It used to be, you know, you

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needed to have an eating disorder, where now it's companies

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have embraced more athletic looking dancers, more fit and strong dancers.

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They realize the health benefits of that. Okay, but I

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think it also fits her character as well. Her character

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has anyting disorder. Her character has an anxiety disorder. Her

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character has a lot of disorder.

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Character has a lot of disorders we'll get to. I'm

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just looking at her and the physicality she has in

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this role. I'm reminded of another awesome dancing movie. I

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wonder Showgirls.

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Oh I thought you were gonna say Flash Dance.

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I was like, I'm talking about Showgirls, where like there

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you know, like the the guy running the show is

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like he's weighing the dancers and tell him they got

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to lose weight or they're fired. Is that? Is that

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a thing that happens in the world of ballerinas.

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I mean a lot of times they'll say, you know,

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you might want to visit the nutrition. You know, they

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try to phrase it in that way. But I'll tell

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you the the most real toxic for me moment one

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of them, anyway, is in the first company class that

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she takes. Yeah, when Vincent Cassel comes in and he's

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talking about Swan Lake and he just starts tapping dancers

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on the shoulder, and you can watch Nina like having

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a breakdown because he didn't tap her. Do you have

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no idea what that means? What does that mean? Is

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the tap good? Is it bad? What am I supposed

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to be doing? And then you find out the taps

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were bad if you didn't get tapped.

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Yeah, the room he reverses, and that.

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Happens so often. It's so sadistic. Oh my gosh.

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Well we'll get to him in just a minute. I

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have thing to say about him. Uh but Natalie. So,

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Natalie routinely sustained injuries, usually involving her left toe, that

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would delay production. It happens so often the crew referred

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to them as a Natalie Portman's left toe delay, and

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then later it was shortened down to portmanteau. Wait are

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we are?

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It's the word for suitcase, so it's a little pen

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they made there.

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Okay, okay, her character suffered. You mentioned she's got all

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kinds of issues. Her character suffers from dramatillomania or compulsive

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skin picking. I think it's used to horrific effect in

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the film to convey her metamorphosis into the Black Swan.

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Yes.

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Do you think it also serves a dual purpose in

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betraying her nervous breakdown or part of her nervous breakdown?

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Well, I think it is one of your You get

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a lot of clues early on that she has severe

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anxiety problems. Yeah, you see her like vomit early on.

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You see her scratching at herself early on, and it's

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all of that is clues to her need to control

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in her obsession over being perfect. And even in that,

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like I said, that first dance class, the ballet mistress

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is walking around and she's like, Nina, you're perfect, relax

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mm hm, And you can just watch her go like

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her face is like relax. What does that even mean?

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I don't understand Vincent Cassel as Thomas Leroy.

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Has this guy ever not played a jerk? Like I

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meet him so much. He shows up an any movie

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and like I gag a little bit because I'm like,

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oh God, what's he gonna do this time?

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I'm so elated to hear you say that. I thought

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we might clash a little bit here. I was prepared

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for you to go, oh, he's so dreamy or some

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full shit. And he I mean every time I see

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him in a film, and you know, because I I

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kind of looked at his filmography and basically every time

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he's on screen, I just want to I just want

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to punch him in the face. Same now. And that's

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he's supposed to be a sliine ball in this movie.

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So having that reaction, I think is a testament to

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his acting. Possibly, yes, but Antonio benders and you Jackman

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were both considered for this role. Could you imagine the

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film with one of those two knowing their backgrounds and

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dance by the way, I mean.

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I think Antonio Benderis would have been really good, because

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he's a real good But I would never have been

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able to look at Hugh Jackman the same like it

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would have taken me a long time to get over

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Hugh Jackman playing this well.

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As much as I would have loved, yeah, as much

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as I would have loved to have seen either one

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of those guys in this role, I gotta be honest.

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I think they're a little too good looking. And I'm

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not saying Vincent Cassel is Quasimoto. I'm just saying he's

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got that look of like euro trash douchebag. Yes, just

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enough to where you could understand why someone would want

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to be with him, but you could also see how

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he's He's easily repulsive. You know he based his performance

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on George Ball Is it balachine or balachine balanchine? Okay,

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I'm over three. Uh this is this is the guy

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that co founded the New York City Ballet. Yes, Cassell

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said Balasin was a control freak, a true artist, using

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sexuality to direct his dancers. So I guess you know

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you understood the assignment. If that's if you're basing your

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role on him, Amber, Let me let me educate you

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a little French chas last the little the characters last

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name uh L E r O Y, which you know

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is Leroy. It's not it's a nod to the French LeRoi,

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which means the king. Yeah. This is significant since he

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is accustomed to referring to his angu as his little princess.

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Which, if that doesn't make your gag.

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Yeah, and more more to help you with your French

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Angenoux also happens to be a French word, which means

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it describes a young, innocent woman in film or literature.

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So I get it.

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I did some of my French homework for.

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You and you said it well too.

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Thank you, thank you, thank you. Uh. Milakunis playing Lily,

471
00:28:21.480 --> 00:28:27.920
the adversary slash frenemy slash understudy. Okay, I have a thing, Okay,

472
00:28:28.079 --> 00:28:28.599
go for it.

473
00:28:29.359 --> 00:28:33.799
First of all, she's perfect, yes, absolutely perfect love for

474
00:28:33.839 --> 00:28:37.519
in this movie, like so sexy, so perfect, everything about her.

475
00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:38.640
Her attitude.

476
00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:43.000
Here's the thing. Yeah, I'm telling you, Lily is only

477
00:28:43.119 --> 00:28:45.000
real in like three scenes.

478
00:28:45.720 --> 00:28:50.000
Okay, Okay, the.

479
00:28:49.880 --> 00:28:52.200
Rest of of Lily is like an imagination.

480
00:28:53.000 --> 00:28:57.440
I'm with you. There's a lot of weird shit happened

481
00:28:57.480 --> 00:29:00.119
in this movie where you're like, did that was that

482
00:29:00.200 --> 00:29:00.640
scene real?

483
00:29:00.759 --> 00:29:02.440
Or is it very like gaslight?

484
00:29:03.240 --> 00:29:06.400
Yeah? Did it happen? Did it not happen? I'm absolutely

485
00:29:06.480 --> 00:29:06.680
with you.

486
00:29:08.680 --> 00:29:11.240
That was what I decided on this most recent like

487
00:29:11.319 --> 00:29:12.880
four times watching hit this week.

488
00:29:13.039 --> 00:29:18.160
Yeah. Well so Blake Lively and Eva Green both auditioned

489
00:29:18.519 --> 00:29:21.240
for the role, didn't get it, and I'm glad. Yeah,

490
00:29:21.319 --> 00:29:25.599
nothing against it. They're both great actresses. But Miela is fantastic.

491
00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:29.160
She is. The minute you see her dancing with her

492
00:29:29.200 --> 00:29:32.799
hair down, yeah, I was like, that's it. That's the girl.

493
00:29:32.880 --> 00:29:34.079
That's it right there.

494
00:29:34.559 --> 00:29:38.240
Yeah she Now. Nalie Portman suggested her for the role.

495
00:29:39.119 --> 00:29:42.319
All she did was a video chat on Skype with

496
00:29:42.440 --> 00:29:45.720
aeronofsky They have they have a conversation. He offers her

497
00:29:45.759 --> 00:29:48.960
the role over Skype. Didn't didn't see her dance, didn't

498
00:29:49.079 --> 00:29:50.000
have her read.

499
00:29:50.559 --> 00:29:54.759
She just gets he wasn't casting dancers, so that's true.

500
00:29:55.640 --> 00:29:59.079
Now, she trained with the ballet instructor for three months.

501
00:29:59.799 --> 00:30:02.039
She goes five hours a day, seven days a week

502
00:30:02.319 --> 00:30:06.880
to learn how to dance end point on point, yes,

503
00:30:06.920 --> 00:30:10.000
on point? What's okay? I listened clearly, I just on

504
00:30:10.079 --> 00:30:15.400
the toe Okay, that's what the with the toe box thing? Yes, okay,

505
00:30:15.440 --> 00:30:18.720
all right now. She also had some experiences with ballet

506
00:30:18.759 --> 00:30:20.920
as a child. Is it do all little girls go

507
00:30:20.960 --> 00:30:22.240
to ballet classes?

508
00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:26.519
I mean I think it's pretty common. Okay, all right,

509
00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:29.359
like you know, you try things out and.

510
00:30:29.640 --> 00:30:31.680
Yeah, you did ballet, right.

511
00:30:32.240 --> 00:30:35.640
I did? I did. I did ballet because my hips

512
00:30:35.640 --> 00:30:39.240
turn in uh huh. And the doctor thought like I

513
00:30:39.279 --> 00:30:40.880
was gonna have to have surgery and all this drama.

514
00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:43.240
And my mom was like, mmm, let's parr in ballet

515
00:30:43.279 --> 00:30:46.839
and see how she does. Because my grandmother was a ballerina.

516
00:30:47.200 --> 00:30:49.640
My mom was a ballerina. So my mom's like, let's

517
00:30:49.680 --> 00:30:52.200
try to naturally just train her body to do what

518
00:30:52.240 --> 00:30:55.599
we wanted to do and Powa tour because that was

519
00:30:56.400 --> 00:30:57.400
absolutely the way to go.

520
00:30:58.079 --> 00:31:01.559
See, it's March third, we're at the start of women's

521
00:31:01.559 --> 00:31:05.079
history months. So clearly we're going to discuss a film

522
00:31:05.440 --> 00:31:10.279
where an actress is gonna win the Oscar, and clearly

523
00:31:11.079 --> 00:31:14.599
we're gonna have a female co host. But all that's moot.

524
00:31:14.720 --> 00:31:17.480
It's a moot point because you're here because you're you.

525
00:31:17.480 --> 00:31:20.000
You you were a ballerina. Who else am I gonna

526
00:31:20.039 --> 00:31:22.960
talk to you? I can't talk to him God Hoffman, right,

527
00:31:23.960 --> 00:31:26.480
he could surprise you, he could he. You know, there's

528
00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:28.799
there's male ballet dancers, yes.

529
00:31:28.839 --> 00:31:33.200
Well, and football players famously often take ballet, because.

530
00:31:32.960 --> 00:31:33.519
That is true.

531
00:31:33.599 --> 00:31:36.279
They need destretch and leap and do all kinds of.

532
00:31:36.160 --> 00:31:41.920
That is absolutely true. Now like her co star Noli Portman,

533
00:31:42.759 --> 00:31:46.279
Milikunas also loses twenty pounds to look more like a ballerina,

534
00:31:46.359 --> 00:31:51.519
which again she is a small actress already. And I

535
00:31:51.599 --> 00:31:54.599
just it kills me that these women are subjecting their

536
00:31:54.599 --> 00:31:56.880
bodies to.

537
00:31:56.200 --> 00:31:59.799
Well and famously. You know, the camera adds ten pounds,

538
00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:05.880
so can you imagine how skeletal they looked in real life?

539
00:32:05.920 --> 00:32:09.759
Like Mela, Mila Kuna said she lost the weight by

540
00:32:09.839 --> 00:32:11.720
crash dieting and chainsmoking.

541
00:32:12.440 --> 00:32:15.359
Yeah she did. She did not take a healthy route.

542
00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:20.160
But you know she didn't. But when when she wrapped,

543
00:32:20.319 --> 00:32:22.519
she stops, she stops smoking. She said that was the

544
00:32:22.519 --> 00:32:24.079
best decision she ever made in life.

545
00:32:24.119 --> 00:32:24.799
So good for her.

546
00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:28.000
But she didn't give up the alcohol because she was

547
00:32:28.039 --> 00:32:30.000
so certain she wouldn't win the Golden Globe for her

548
00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:32.559
performance that she didn't even bother to write a speech.

549
00:32:32.920 --> 00:32:35.000
And she claims she did plenty of vodka shots and

550
00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:38.160
a limo on the way to the ceremony. So kind

551
00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:41.440
of kind of I feel like like Lily and Me

552
00:32:41.599 --> 00:32:44.440
and and Mela, maybe the same same person. She's just

553
00:32:44.440 --> 00:32:45.160
blind herself.

554
00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:50.079
Yes, very relaxed, likes to party.

555
00:32:50.359 --> 00:32:53.960
Yeah, someone who is not very relaxed or likes to party.

556
00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:59.599
In this film, Nina's mother, Erica, who is played with

557
00:33:00.640 --> 00:33:02.640
gusto by Barbara Hershey.

558
00:33:03.279 --> 00:33:03.519
Yes.

559
00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:07.599
Now, Meryl Streep was initially considered for the role. No,

560
00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:10.880
thank you, No, you know you're not you and I agree,

561
00:33:10.880 --> 00:33:14.519
we're not big Street fans.

562
00:33:12.839 --> 00:33:20.519
Barbara Hershey is so good. She is just so subtle

563
00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:26.079
and diabolical and the things that she brings to give

564
00:33:26.119 --> 00:33:31.319
you the history of their relationship, it's just amazing.

565
00:33:31.799 --> 00:33:34.839
Can we can we talk about the the online fan

566
00:33:34.880 --> 00:33:38.640
theory about her character? Have you have you read this?

567
00:33:39.720 --> 00:33:42.960
I mean my theory is that she was sexually abusive

568
00:33:43.039 --> 00:33:43.799
to Nina.

569
00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:50.079
Well you have just hit yeah, so that there's this

570
00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:54.039
fan theory that suggests that Nina was or is being

571
00:33:54.079 --> 00:33:57.160
sexually abused by her mother. You know the bedtime and

572
00:33:57.240 --> 00:33:59.839
when you think about it, like the bedtime routine is

573
00:33:59.839 --> 00:34:01.240
is a little ritualistic.

574
00:34:01.759 --> 00:34:05.279
Well, and she dresses and undresses her and then there's

575
00:34:05.319 --> 00:34:09.440
like one scene where she's like kind of wearing like

576
00:34:09.599 --> 00:34:14.159
a sexy bedtime lea nightgown robe, kind of thing, and

577
00:34:14.159 --> 00:34:15.599
she says like, are you ready for me?

578
00:34:15.880 --> 00:34:17.639
Yeah? Are you ready? Yeah?

579
00:34:17.679 --> 00:34:20.800
I was like, what are you wearing? Like that's something

580
00:34:20.840 --> 00:34:23.440
I would wear for if I had a guy coming over, like.

581
00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:25.639
A little obsessive to my.

582
00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:28.159
Adult child's bedroom, which I wouldn't be going into my

583
00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:33.000
adult child's bedroom anyway. Yeah, like messing her undressing my

584
00:34:33.079 --> 00:34:33.760
adult child.

585
00:34:33.840 --> 00:34:36.440
Like Nina has to find the way to wedge the

586
00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:39.000
door so she can't open it. Oh my god, that's

587
00:34:39.039 --> 00:34:39.920
a sexual predator.

588
00:34:40.480 --> 00:34:42.559
Well, when she's in the bathroom, she has to put

589
00:34:42.599 --> 00:34:45.679
like the clothes hamper in front of the door, like, yeah,

590
00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:48.400
you have no privacy, Like she never knocks, she just

591
00:34:48.480 --> 00:34:52.039
walks in. And then the whole thing with the cake

592
00:34:52.199 --> 00:34:53.199
is really toxic.

593
00:34:54.000 --> 00:34:58.079
Yeah, But then there's the little things like like did

594
00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:00.760
you catch it? Both Erica and Lily referred to Nina

595
00:35:00.760 --> 00:35:03.599
as sweet girl. And then there's like the flashes of

596
00:35:03.639 --> 00:35:03.960
the face.

597
00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:07.039
I knew that Erica did, so I didn't know that

598
00:35:07.079 --> 00:35:07.800
Lily did.

599
00:35:08.119 --> 00:35:10.519
I don't want to jump ahead to note worth these scenes.

600
00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:17.079
But after their supposed sleepover, Yeah, when Lily's kind of

601
00:35:17.760 --> 00:35:20.199
being condescending and joking with oh, sweet girl, did you

602
00:35:20.239 --> 00:35:21.679
have a fantasy about me.

603
00:35:21.800 --> 00:35:23.800
You know, Oh I missed that.

604
00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:26.679
And that leads to your whole your theory of like

605
00:35:27.559 --> 00:35:31.119
some of this stuff with Lily maybe didn't happen, you know,

606
00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:34.519
because there's the whole flashes of faces, like you'll see

607
00:35:34.559 --> 00:35:37.000
her mom, or she'll see Lily and then all of

608
00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:39.840
a sudden, she'll see her own face or they'll switch.

609
00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:42.039
You know, there's a lot of weird shit happening here.

610
00:35:42.159 --> 00:35:45.039
Yeah, she is just breaking completely down.

611
00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:49.920
I I only wish, you know, I'm happy we're starting

612
00:35:50.079 --> 00:35:51.760
the month of March off with this episode, but I

613
00:35:51.800 --> 00:35:54.800
wish there was a way that I could have pushed

614
00:35:54.800 --> 00:35:58.239
this one back, because in three weeks I get to

615
00:35:58.320 --> 00:36:01.960
meet and speak with Barbara Hershey, oh my gosh, and

616
00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:03.639
I definitely am gonna be I'm gonna be asking her

617
00:36:03.639 --> 00:36:07.239
about the role of Erica. Yes, you know, me and

618
00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:09.199
you we got to talk off off Mike. If you

619
00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:10.639
if you got anything you want me to mention to

620
00:36:10.679 --> 00:36:13.800
her or ask her about, I'll absolutely do that for you.

621
00:36:14.199 --> 00:36:18.679
Moving on, uh Wanona ryder blink and you miss her

622
00:36:19.119 --> 00:36:23.159
almost She's she's playing Beth McIntyre. She's like the She's

623
00:36:23.199 --> 00:36:26.960
the Angenoux that has aged out of the star role

624
00:36:27.559 --> 00:36:32.119
for uh Leroy. Yes, she's only on set for ten

625
00:36:32.199 --> 00:36:35.320
days to film her role and she's only, like you counted,

626
00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:37.480
I think she's in like four and a half minutes maybe.

627
00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:40.199
But let me tell you, she makes an impression.

628
00:36:40.960 --> 00:36:45.119
Hell of an impression, doesn't she. Uh. The others considered

629
00:36:45.159 --> 00:36:49.519
for the role were Parker Posey, which I don't think so,

630
00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:55.280
and then former Aeronofsky Leading Ladies Rachel Weiss and Jennifer Connley.

631
00:36:56.119 --> 00:36:57.760
I could have seen either one of those do it

632
00:36:58.280 --> 00:37:01.159
yes but and no offense to one own a writer.

633
00:37:01.280 --> 00:37:02.480
If it would have been one of those two, I

634
00:37:02.480 --> 00:37:04.800
would have wanted to see them a lot more in

635
00:37:04.840 --> 00:37:05.320
the story.

636
00:37:06.159 --> 00:37:10.679
Yeah, I feel like they would need to build their

637
00:37:10.800 --> 00:37:13.840
drama where Winona is great at just coming in and

638
00:37:13.880 --> 00:37:17.760
like she's throwing stuff in her dressing room and getting

639
00:37:17.840 --> 00:37:20.320
drunk at the party, Like she just comes in like

640
00:37:20.360 --> 00:37:22.880
a wrecking ball, and I feel like that's more her style.

641
00:37:23.719 --> 00:37:29.840
Yeah. I do love their moments together. I gotta be

642
00:37:29.880 --> 00:37:34.519
honest again, I'm gonna call it showgirls like you got

643
00:37:34.519 --> 00:37:37.280
you got to know me and Cristal and then this is.

644
00:37:37.239 --> 00:37:38.639
How you and I are different, because do you think

645
00:37:38.679 --> 00:37:40.320
show Girls. I think all about Eve.

646
00:37:41.199 --> 00:37:44.320
Yeah, that's I see you. We're going different paths here.

647
00:37:46.199 --> 00:37:48.400
I don't know. I'm watching this and I'm like, man,

648
00:37:48.719 --> 00:37:54.119
i might watch Showgirls after this, all right, before we

649
00:37:54.280 --> 00:37:58.159
just evolves into debauchery. I'm gonna call it one other

650
00:37:58.280 --> 00:38:01.519
one other guy here, and again, such a small role

651
00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:06.519
we got, you know, Nolly Portman, who will become Thor

652
00:38:06.559 --> 00:38:09.400
in the future. She's going up against the Winter Soldier himself.

653
00:38:09.440 --> 00:38:13.840
Sebastian Stan is in this playing like a club guy

654
00:38:14.119 --> 00:38:17.960
Andrew yes, trying to pick her up. Weird to see him,

655
00:38:18.159 --> 00:38:18.559
wasn't it.

656
00:38:18.719 --> 00:38:21.480
I know he's so young and innocent.

657
00:38:22.039 --> 00:38:26.119
He's you say, you say innocent, and I'm thinking sketchy

658
00:38:26.159 --> 00:38:28.719
because he just looks like creepy club guy.

659
00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:32.519
No, I've got his friend looks sketchy. He charming to me.

660
00:38:33.199 --> 00:38:36.400
All right, Uh, he's in one scene. But it was

661
00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:38.320
just It's one of those things where you go back

662
00:38:38.360 --> 00:38:40.400
and watch a movie. I mean, this movie is celebrating

663
00:38:40.400 --> 00:38:44.599
what it's fifteenth anniversary, so that's right. It's it's kind

664
00:38:44.639 --> 00:38:46.440
of cool to think, Wow, fifteen years ago, we didn't

665
00:38:46.480 --> 00:38:49.079
have Sebastian Stan. We did, we just didn't know it.

666
00:38:49.199 --> 00:38:52.679
Yeah, so he was just random guy number two at

667
00:38:52.719 --> 00:38:53.000
the bar.

668
00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:56.840
Yeah, there you go. Let's talk a little bit about

669
00:38:56.880 --> 00:39:00.280
the film's background. Well, before we get to that, you

670
00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:02.280
got someone else, all right? Who you got?

671
00:39:02.360 --> 00:39:10.280
That we sort of mentioned already. Nina's dance partner, Benjamin Millipede,

672
00:39:10.880 --> 00:39:12.599
her husband.

673
00:39:12.760 --> 00:39:13.400
He married her.

674
00:39:13.800 --> 00:39:19.000
He is the cher for the Paris Ballet and they

675
00:39:19.119 --> 00:39:21.760
fell in love making the movie and got married. And

676
00:39:21.840 --> 00:39:24.960
then how dumb is he cheated on her?

677
00:39:25.320 --> 00:39:28.920
And why would you cheat on Queen Amidala?

678
00:39:32.079 --> 00:39:35.079
Kind of horror, Like it's it's kind of a thing.

679
00:39:35.199 --> 00:39:39.280
Dancers can be very free. Yeah, it's a bummer, but

680
00:39:39.320 --> 00:39:41.840
I love that she was just like yeah, bye.

681
00:39:42.159 --> 00:39:45.000
Well good for her for for leaving the guy.

682
00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:49.280
Yeah. Can you imagine, though, cheating on Queen Amidala.

683
00:39:50.239 --> 00:39:54.760
No, I you know, I mean I never had the

684
00:39:54.800 --> 00:39:59.800
option to date Natalie Portman, So had I had I

685
00:39:59.800 --> 00:40:01.639
had that option, I definitely would not have cheated on her,

686
00:40:01.880 --> 00:40:07.039
like like like mister Millipede, you know. So well, let's

687
00:40:07.039 --> 00:40:10.480
talk a little bit about the film's background. So the

688
00:40:11.079 --> 00:40:16.280
film screenplay originally titled The Understudy, which immediately makes me

689
00:40:16.360 --> 00:40:21.119
think of Seinfeld. It began as a story about the

690
00:40:21.119 --> 00:40:23.719
New York Theater where I guess they could have said

691
00:40:23.719 --> 00:40:27.480
break a leg instead of what was it? Shared married? Yeah,

692
00:40:27.519 --> 00:40:31.519
mid but they changed it to ballet after Aeronovski saw

693
00:40:31.599 --> 00:40:35.079
Swan Lake, which we talked about. The planned budget for

694
00:40:35.159 --> 00:40:38.239
filming was just under thirty million dollars and in the

695
00:40:38.400 --> 00:40:41.760
end they only secured thirteen million to make the film.

696
00:40:42.559 --> 00:40:47.400
That is that's a very low budget. I mean for

697
00:40:47.559 --> 00:40:51.599
two thousand and ten, that's that's pretty low right.

698
00:40:51.920 --> 00:40:55.400
Well, and that tells you that nobody got paid anything.

699
00:40:55.960 --> 00:40:57.599
Yeah, well, that's why I mean, I guess that's why

700
00:40:57.679 --> 00:41:00.199
Nalli Portman is paying for her lessons a year year

701
00:41:00.199 --> 00:41:04.760
out before the movie's made. And speaking about Portman, we

702
00:41:04.880 --> 00:41:07.719
kind of discussed how she had multiple injuries.

703
00:41:08.760 --> 00:41:10.719
Pay for like the physical therapist.

704
00:41:11.679 --> 00:41:16.159
Well in a way, so she actually she dislocates a

705
00:41:16.239 --> 00:41:20.159
rib during one of these lifts with mister Millipede and

706
00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:23.480
she calls for a medic and the producers tell her

707
00:41:24.159 --> 00:41:26.920
they didn't have a medic on set because they can't

708
00:41:26.920 --> 00:41:30.760
afford it. So she obviously this upsets her a little bit,

709
00:41:30.800 --> 00:41:33.679
so she sells them, if you can't afford a medic,

710
00:41:33.719 --> 00:41:35.880
then get rid of my trailer and hire a medic,

711
00:41:36.639 --> 00:41:40.480
and the very next day her trailer with all its frills,

712
00:41:40.719 --> 00:41:44.960
it's gone, but they have a medic on set. They

713
00:41:44.960 --> 00:41:49.239
actually brought a physical therapist in to examine her. Aeronofsky

714
00:41:49.760 --> 00:41:52.239
asks her to stay in character and let him film it,

715
00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:55.440
and they include the shot in the movie the final cut,

716
00:41:55.480 --> 00:41:57.960
because you know this, see I'm talking about where they like, oh, yeah,

717
00:41:58.000 --> 00:42:00.880
this woman is digging her fingers into her like like

718
00:42:00.920 --> 00:42:03.800
her fingers are like knuckle deep into her, like into

719
00:42:03.840 --> 00:42:06.480
her rib cage. I'm like, yeah, please stop doing that.

720
00:42:06.480 --> 00:42:08.719
To Natalie Portman, that looks like it hurts a lot.

721
00:42:08.840 --> 00:42:11.920
She says her diaphragm was like clenched so like she

722
00:42:12.039 --> 00:42:15.920
basically had like a Charlie Horse in her abdomen.

723
00:42:16.800 --> 00:42:18.639
It it looked painful, but I thought I thought it

724
00:42:18.679 --> 00:42:20.320
was kind of cool that she was. She's a good sport.

725
00:42:20.360 --> 00:42:21.880
And she's like, yeah, film it and put it in

726
00:42:21.880 --> 00:42:25.320
the movie. If you want pain, that's real.

727
00:42:25.480 --> 00:42:30.119
Like you dance broken, you dance no matter what, like

728
00:42:30.280 --> 00:42:33.840
I Bershakoff danced with a broken ankle one time, like.

729
00:42:34.559 --> 00:42:38.159
Who Mikhail brishnak Oh, Yes see, I know I know

730
00:42:38.159 --> 00:42:38.880
a little bit of Boulet.

731
00:42:39.119 --> 00:42:40.719
I know one guy.

732
00:42:41.199 --> 00:42:43.639
I know a guy I know Alexander Gudenoff.

733
00:42:43.639 --> 00:42:45.320
I know him, yes you did. You don't know him

734
00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:50.480
for his dancing, though, yeah.

735
00:42:48.599 --> 00:42:51.440
I mean I know him for three awesome movies, you know, Witness,

736
00:42:51.599 --> 00:42:56.199
the Mighty Pit and Die Hard. Moving on, though, It's

737
00:42:56.199 --> 00:42:59.639
been speculated that the body horror aspect of this film

738
00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:05.360
was strongly influenced by David Cronenberg's nineteen eighty six classic

739
00:43:05.679 --> 00:43:10.519
The Fly, which amber we obviously covered on our limited

740
00:43:10.599 --> 00:43:11.559
nineteen eighty six series.

741
00:43:11.719 --> 00:43:14.440
Yes, and luckily you did it without me, because that

742
00:43:14.519 --> 00:43:16.800
movie makes me want to barf like a chicken.

743
00:43:16.920 --> 00:43:19.599
I wouldn't I wouldn't ask you to watch Brundo Fly.

744
00:43:19.880 --> 00:43:21.960
I don't think you could handle that'd that's a lot.

745
00:43:22.079 --> 00:43:26.159
Yeah, no, I can't. Even Like I'm glad that I've

746
00:43:26.199 --> 00:43:29.920
seen this movie so many times because even having had

747
00:43:30.039 --> 00:43:34.119
some of these injuries like the split toenail and everything, like,

748
00:43:34.719 --> 00:43:37.519
I cannot watch it. It's so awful.

749
00:43:38.519 --> 00:43:41.360
I'll tell you some of the some of the scenes,

750
00:43:41.400 --> 00:43:44.639
like like the nail clipping scenes just unnerved me.

751
00:43:44.840 --> 00:43:48.159
Breaks me out, Like who clips their figernails with those

752
00:43:48.199 --> 00:43:48.920
scissors like that?

753
00:43:49.159 --> 00:43:52.639
Like little surgical scissors. She's and bar her she's doing

754
00:43:52.679 --> 00:43:56.400
it so she's she's literally clipping like yeah, like aggressively

755
00:43:56.719 --> 00:44:01.239
carefully cutting. She's ugh, yeah, he meant like the split tone.

756
00:44:01.280 --> 00:44:06.760
Now look, if you want to see Nalie Portman, uh

757
00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:10.920
you know, don't watch it for sexy Naaley Portman. This

758
00:44:10.960 --> 00:44:16.320
is a broken, emaciated Naly Portman with some very bruised

759
00:44:16.360 --> 00:44:22.360
looking feet. Yes, not my thing. This film was the

760
00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:25.559
Academy's thing though. Twenty eleven Academy Awards, it's nominated for

761
00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:30.679
five Oscars, be it Best Picture, Best Directing, Best Cinematography,

762
00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:35.239
Best Editing. Portman was the sole winner. She beat out

763
00:44:35.440 --> 00:44:39.280
Nett Biding, Nicole Kidman, Jennifer Lawrence, and Michelle Williams. I

764
00:44:39.320 --> 00:44:42.239
can tell you the Academy got it right.

765
00:44:42.559 --> 00:44:45.840
Oh yeah, that's an impressive list, though it was.

766
00:44:45.880 --> 00:44:47.639
I mean, I'm not saying she blew the doors off

767
00:44:47.639 --> 00:44:51.039
of all these other amazing actresses, but I'm saying, you

768
00:44:51.159 --> 00:44:52.360
watch what's her movie?

769
00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:55.199
Like, I agree with it only winning that award.

770
00:44:56.079 --> 00:44:59.880
Yeah, when you watch her performance based off the other

771
00:45:00.159 --> 00:45:05.000
actresses I just mentioned, she clearly, I mean the Oscar

772
00:45:05.079 --> 00:45:06.639
was hers. I think I think at the beginning of

773
00:45:06.639 --> 00:45:11.039
the season when everyone's like, okay, for your consideration. I

774
00:45:11.079 --> 00:45:13.639
don't think anyone realized like that they had a chance

775
00:45:13.679 --> 00:45:14.960
against her, right.

776
00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:17.559
Yeah, And I think it was one of those I'd

777
00:45:17.559 --> 00:45:19.159
have to look, but I feel like it was one

778
00:45:19.159 --> 00:45:22.280
of those where she won everything leading up to it

779
00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:22.719
as well.

780
00:45:23.440 --> 00:45:27.880
So let's discuss some noteworthy scenes, which will of course

781
00:45:27.960 --> 00:45:32.280
include what we think is the pivotal moment I'm gonna cheat,

782
00:45:33.079 --> 00:45:36.320
You're going I'm gonna for once, I will break the rule.

783
00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:40.719
I'm just looking at my notes. My first note all

784
00:45:40.760 --> 00:45:46.599
scenes with her mother giving me a real Carrie vibe. Yeah,

785
00:45:47.079 --> 00:45:50.480
I mean it's a very dysfunctional mother daughter story.

786
00:45:51.400 --> 00:45:55.599
Yeah, like Carrie's mom, I feel like hated her.

787
00:45:56.960 --> 00:45:59.159
And I don't think I feel like she protected her.

788
00:45:59.320 --> 00:46:02.519
She was overly detective and hated her for what she

789
00:46:02.679 --> 00:46:07.000
took from her. You know, but Barbara Hershey has there's

790
00:46:07.039 --> 00:46:11.360
a there's a great moment where, you know, as Asnally

791
00:46:11.400 --> 00:46:15.159
Portman's character is becoming the black Swan, you know, she's

792
00:46:15.159 --> 00:46:17.960
getting a little more aggressive and she makes that snide

793
00:46:18.000 --> 00:46:20.159
comment about what what career?

794
00:46:20.239 --> 00:46:20.800
What career?

795
00:46:21.039 --> 00:46:24.480
Yea, Barbara Hershey should have been a little more shitty

796
00:46:24.480 --> 00:46:28.719
about it. She should have been a little more with

797
00:46:29.519 --> 00:46:33.320
mov marri marrired, she should have been a little bit

798
00:46:33.360 --> 00:46:36.400
more marrid about it. But she has this like hurt,

799
00:46:36.440 --> 00:46:39.440
like this this hurt in her voice where she's like

800
00:46:39.800 --> 00:46:42.039
the career I gave up to have you, you know,

801
00:46:42.199 --> 00:46:45.000
and we know, like Carrie's mom was like, you know,

802
00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:47.920
kind of betrayed, like the guy left her and yeah,

803
00:46:48.440 --> 00:46:49.039
I don't know, I.

804
00:46:49.039 --> 00:46:50.719
Just yeah, they're both nuts.

805
00:46:50.840 --> 00:46:55.800
They're both nuts, right, yeah, so exactly exactly, All right,

806
00:46:57.760 --> 00:47:04.119
let's talk about uh and Leroy. I came to ask

807
00:47:04.159 --> 00:47:08.400
for the part. So she approaches Leroy, you know, after

808
00:47:08.440 --> 00:47:09.920
you know, she gets to our audition. It doesn't go

809
00:47:09.960 --> 00:47:13.360
as well. She goes into his office wants to ask

810
00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:15.000
for it, and then he kind of forces himself on

811
00:47:15.039 --> 00:47:17.280
her because she because again he's a slide ball, and

812
00:47:18.280 --> 00:47:22.599
she instinctively just bites him. Yes, but he likes it,

813
00:47:22.679 --> 00:47:23.400
I mean because he's.

814
00:47:23.440 --> 00:47:25.760
Yeah, I wanted to cheer her a little more, but

815
00:47:25.840 --> 00:47:29.079
it really wasn't her standing up for herself. It was

816
00:47:29.440 --> 00:47:33.039
like just a knee jerk reaction kind of thing. But

817
00:47:33.079 --> 00:47:38.280
I'll tell you what that scene happens. All of the time.

818
00:47:38.760 --> 00:47:42.400
It's I mean, you feel you feel sad for Nina

819
00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:46.039
because what she she's there, she's not trying to be

820
00:47:46.039 --> 00:47:48.679
a whore, you know, no, no, And the other dancers

821
00:47:48.679 --> 00:47:50.639
they're all like, yeah, what did you do for the rule?

822
00:47:50.719 --> 00:47:53.039
You know? You know, Beth is like how did you get?

823
00:47:53.159 --> 00:47:59.679
You know, they're also they're also mad about it, and

824
00:47:59.719 --> 00:48:02.599
you just feel your heart's breaking for this, this, this

825
00:48:02.599 --> 00:48:04.599
this Nina who at this point is a victim. She

826
00:48:04.760 --> 00:48:05.519
is the victim of the.

827
00:48:05.760 --> 00:48:07.840
Yeah, and you really do feel like I feel at

828
00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:12.800
that point like is there anybody that is on her side?

829
00:48:12.840 --> 00:48:15.400
Is there anybody that's not going to abuse this person?

830
00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:17.880
And then later on she's on the subway and that

831
00:48:18.000 --> 00:48:23.079
random guy is being disgusting. It's like ride the damn subway, Like, come.

832
00:48:22.880 --> 00:48:25.960
On, that's the If there's one thing I'd like to

833
00:48:26.000 --> 00:48:29.239
change about the movie, that's the subway scene where that

834
00:48:29.280 --> 00:48:31.840
guy is just being absolutely gross. It would have been

835
00:48:31.920 --> 00:48:34.639
nice to see like a little bit of the the

836
00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:37.480
Black Swan come out of her and maybe do something.

837
00:48:37.519 --> 00:48:40.639
That guy Well, then I think it like primes her

838
00:48:40.800 --> 00:48:42.440
for the next Yeah, so.

839
00:48:42.960 --> 00:48:47.000
It does it does? Uh? You gotta listen, we gotta

840
00:48:47.000 --> 00:48:49.679
we gotta do it. We gotta talk about uh, Nina

841
00:48:49.719 --> 00:48:51.119
and Lily spending the night.

842
00:48:52.840 --> 00:48:56.760
So my pivotal scene is from the moment she leaves

843
00:48:56.840 --> 00:48:59.880
with Lily until the next oh okay o. That whole

844
00:49:00.079 --> 00:49:03.760
sequence for me is like this is the hinge.

845
00:49:03.800 --> 00:49:09.960
Okay Yeah, because Lily comes to apologize, her mom goes

846
00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:13.239
super creepy for a second, and then she's had it.

847
00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:16.079
She grabs her jacket and she's off to go clubbing

848
00:49:16.119 --> 00:49:19.960
with Lily. She's taken. I forget what drug it was,

849
00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:21.360
but she's she's dancing.

850
00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:25.519
But I don't, probably never do, so I wouldn't know.

851
00:49:26.440 --> 00:49:29.599
I'm not. You know, it doesn't matter what I think

852
00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:32.599
was going on. It's not my place to tell you.

853
00:49:32.719 --> 00:49:34.440
Took a happy pill, is what she took.

854
00:49:35.199 --> 00:49:38.119
That house music's bumping, and you know, we got the

855
00:49:38.199 --> 00:49:42.320
lights and everyone's just sweating up on everyone and making out.

856
00:49:42.400 --> 00:49:48.119
And she gets home and then uh, there's a moment between.

857
00:49:48.639 --> 00:49:54.480
Yes, it seems like she returns with Lily. Yeah, and

858
00:49:54.679 --> 00:49:57.519
she has another confrontation with her mom and then they

859
00:49:57.559 --> 00:50:00.280
go to her She and Lily go to her room

860
00:50:00.360 --> 00:50:03.679
and yeah, some time together.

861
00:50:04.639 --> 00:50:09.760
So I gotta tell you. I in twenty ten, I

862
00:50:09.880 --> 00:50:13.480
was dragged to the theater by my girlfriend to see this,

863
00:50:15.440 --> 00:50:18.719
and I'm like, I just I gotta take one for

864
00:50:18.800 --> 00:50:20.519
the team here, I gotta watch a movie about ballet.

865
00:50:22.639 --> 00:50:25.760
And when this scene came on, I looked over at

866
00:50:25.760 --> 00:50:29.320
my girlfriend, who was just awe struck, and I had

867
00:50:29.320 --> 00:50:32.199
the biggest grid on my face. And I leaned in

868
00:50:32.360 --> 00:50:38.960
and I said, this movie's awesome. And she put an

869
00:50:39.039 --> 00:50:42.800
elbow into my rib cage that I probably needed the

870
00:50:42.800 --> 00:50:47.360
physical therapist that now, like Portman needed to fix my diaphragm. Yeah,

871
00:50:47.360 --> 00:50:50.559
it's a it's a it's graphic. I mean, let's let's

872
00:50:50.559 --> 00:50:50.920
be fair.

873
00:50:51.000 --> 00:50:52.239
It's an adult taste.

874
00:50:52.760 --> 00:50:54.760
It's an adult movie. Yeah, don't watch it with your kids.

875
00:50:55.280 --> 00:51:00.360
But it's shot tastefully considering what they're doing. Portman stated

876
00:51:00.440 --> 00:51:03.760
it was really uncomfortable to film the sexually explicit scenes,

877
00:51:04.440 --> 00:51:07.559
but she believed they're necessary to show Nina's discovery of

878
00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:10.559
self pleasure as part of her evolution. I agree with her. Yes,

879
00:51:10.559 --> 00:51:12.480
you know, this is her coming from art.

880
00:51:12.559 --> 00:51:15.559
Yeah, going like at the beginning of the of the movie,

881
00:51:15.639 --> 00:51:18.800
she's like the equivalent of like thirteen years old.

882
00:51:19.159 --> 00:51:21.519
Yeah, she's very repressed yet.

883
00:51:21.880 --> 00:51:26.559
And she's becoming a person, becoming a woman, becoming herself

884
00:51:27.199 --> 00:51:29.320
through this whole you know experience.

885
00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:33.800
Even even the creepy director Leroy, he says, hey, I

886
00:51:33.800 --> 00:51:36.079
want you to go home and touch yourself as part

887
00:51:36.079 --> 00:51:38.599
of her like her research, and you're like, someone punch

888
00:51:38.679 --> 00:51:41.480
him in the face. Yeah, But then she goes and

889
00:51:41.480 --> 00:51:43.719
does it, you know, and that that's a that's a

890
00:51:43.760 --> 00:51:47.800
horrific scene just because it ends with her mom. Ugh,

891
00:51:49.440 --> 00:51:52.320
let's move on. Let's move on. Yes, I'm gonna agree

892
00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:55.079
with you though, by the way, that's that's the that's

893
00:51:55.119 --> 00:51:56.159
definitely the pillow.

894
00:51:56.360 --> 00:51:59.039
She's a completely different person afterwards.

895
00:51:58.679 --> 00:52:01.159
After that scene. She is black Swan as far as

896
00:52:01.159 --> 00:52:04.119
I'm concerned. Let's talk about Nina.

897
00:52:03.960 --> 00:52:05.719
By the way, listeners a negative thing.

898
00:52:06.199 --> 00:52:09.880
No, it's not a negative thing. No, I mean, let's

899
00:52:09.880 --> 00:52:14.280
talk about Nina visiting Beth in the hospital, Okay, where.

900
00:52:14.119 --> 00:52:18.519
She's one hundred percent thinks she killed her.

901
00:52:19.119 --> 00:52:21.639
Okay, well, hold on, slow down. So I love this

902
00:52:21.679 --> 00:52:24.119
moment because she's in a panic right because you know,

903
00:52:24.199 --> 00:52:25.840
she has you know, I know how it feels. Now

904
00:52:25.880 --> 00:52:29.280
what do I do? Because she is now convinced that

905
00:52:29.320 --> 00:52:31.400
Lily is out to get her and take her role

906
00:52:32.199 --> 00:52:35.360
and now she she relates to Beth, you know, washed

907
00:52:35.440 --> 00:52:36.440
up has been Beth.

908
00:52:37.320 --> 00:52:39.920
Everybody's out to get you. Everybody's out to take what

909
00:52:39.960 --> 00:52:40.360
you have.

910
00:52:40.639 --> 00:52:43.679
Yeah, So, so Beth is not going to offer you

911
00:52:43.840 --> 00:52:47.360
emotional support, much like Crystal would in Showgirls when nobody

912
00:52:47.360 --> 00:52:49.760
goes to visit her in the hospital. Yeah, after causing

913
00:52:49.760 --> 00:52:56.360
her accident. More on show Girls later, maybe yeah, no.

914
00:52:56.719 --> 00:52:58.760
My friend Dan would love it.

915
00:52:59.000 --> 00:53:04.840
Okay, Well, so Beth responds with a nail file where

916
00:53:04.880 --> 00:53:10.000
she basically just starts jamming in her cheeks. Yes, now

917
00:53:10.079 --> 00:53:12.360
here's you have a theory, and I'm with you on

918
00:53:12.400 --> 00:53:15.800
your theory because I think you're right Natalie. You know,

919
00:53:15.840 --> 00:53:17.960
as Nina runs out of the out of the hospital

920
00:53:18.039 --> 00:53:21.000
room in terror, but when she gets outside, she looks

921
00:53:21.039 --> 00:53:22.920
down and in her hands, she's got a bloody nail

922
00:53:22.920 --> 00:53:27.599
fire file. So she kills her, right, I think it's

923
00:53:27.679 --> 00:53:30.159
kind of left open her. Maybe she killed her, maybe

924
00:53:30.239 --> 00:53:34.079
she didn't. You know, But this movie, it's it's taking

925
00:53:34.079 --> 00:53:37.199
you for this weird, twisted ride because there's a lot

926
00:53:37.199 --> 00:53:40.000
of stuff going on, like you think it's happening, but

927
00:53:40.079 --> 00:53:42.880
maybe it didn't happen, Like like Nina and Lily spending

928
00:53:42.920 --> 00:53:45.960
the night together and her her sexual awakening. As it were,

929
00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:49.360
it didn't happen, or at least Lily tells us it

930
00:53:49.360 --> 00:53:52.000
didn't happen. So I don't know. I think I think

931
00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:55.320
she killed Beth, though I'm with you. Yeah, So that

932
00:53:55.400 --> 00:53:58.039
leads me to this. Let's talk about the film's ending

933
00:53:58.199 --> 00:54:03.000
real quick, you know, ambiguous or not. Now there's something

934
00:54:03.039 --> 00:54:07.159
going on here. Portman wasn't happy with the placement of

935
00:54:07.199 --> 00:54:11.559
the blood on her tights from the stab wound, commenting

936
00:54:11.599 --> 00:54:14.719
that it looked like she was having her period now.

937
00:54:14.800 --> 00:54:18.119
Aronofsky then explained to her that he intentionally wanted the

938
00:54:18.119 --> 00:54:23.559
blood there to symbolize that Nina had become a woman. Therefore,

939
00:54:23.800 --> 00:54:26.239
Natalie Portman suggests that Nina does not die at the

940
00:54:26.320 --> 00:54:29.000
end of the film, seeing the wound as symbolism for

941
00:54:29.039 --> 00:54:32.119
the character maturing into an adult woman. So my question

942
00:54:32.199 --> 00:54:36.280
to you, does Nina die at the end of the

943
00:54:36.320 --> 00:54:40.519
performance or does she live and become the big star

944
00:54:40.599 --> 00:54:44.440
that takes Beth's place. What's happening here at the end?

945
00:54:44.840 --> 00:54:50.719
Well, I don't hate the menstrual period theory just because

946
00:54:50.840 --> 00:54:53.000
I know it makes men squirm and I would love

947
00:54:53.039 --> 00:54:55.519
for that too. In the movie just to make that gardal,

948
00:54:55.599 --> 00:54:58.679
I think it would be hilarious. But no, one hundred

949
00:54:58.719 --> 00:54:59.599
percent think she died.

950
00:55:00.440 --> 00:55:01.159
Okay, so.

951
00:55:02.880 --> 00:55:03.920
The self harm.

952
00:55:03.920 --> 00:55:07.079
She's been doing self harm, anxiety.

953
00:55:06.760 --> 00:55:13.400
Escalated and stabbing herself, and and also like she was

954
00:55:14.199 --> 00:55:18.719
like never happier than when all of a sudden she's

955
00:55:18.760 --> 00:55:22.079
in pain and she's crying and.

956
00:55:21.320 --> 00:55:25.159
And she finishes. Yeah, because back when.

957
00:55:26.719 --> 00:55:29.400
This was not a perfect performance. She fell in her ass,

958
00:55:29.840 --> 00:55:33.280
so you couldn't say, like this was the best white

959
00:55:33.719 --> 00:55:36.880
Black Swan that ever happened, you know, But she.

960
00:55:36.840 --> 00:55:38.400
Gets the standing ovation, she.

961
00:55:38.360 --> 00:55:44.440
Gets the ending, she gets Yeah, yeah, I totally think

962
00:55:44.440 --> 00:55:44.840
she died.

963
00:55:45.679 --> 00:55:49.480
Darren Aronofsky agrees with you. He says, look, think what

964
00:55:49.559 --> 00:55:53.880
you want, but she died. And I know you haven't

965
00:55:53.920 --> 00:55:59.840
watched the film, but her ending is very similar to

966
00:56:00.159 --> 00:56:01.760
Mickey works ending in The Wrestler.

967
00:56:02.480 --> 00:56:03.920
Oh really, now, his.

968
00:56:04.000 --> 00:56:05.920
I'm gonna you know, we'll get to it here in

969
00:56:05.960 --> 00:56:10.519
a minute. His is much more well, it's probably grosser, No,

970
00:56:10.599 --> 00:56:14.960
it's it's much more uplifting, it's much more motivating. We'll

971
00:56:14.960 --> 00:56:17.239
talk about that when we come back. Let's take a

972
00:56:17.280 --> 00:56:22.719
quick break, Amber, Let's let's let's wrap things up here.

973
00:56:23.039 --> 00:56:28.920
If someone was unfamiliar with Darren Aronofski's work and they

974
00:56:28.920 --> 00:56:31.880
had just watched Black Swan and they look at you

975
00:56:31.960 --> 00:56:35.199
and they say, hey, you're the voice of Reason. What

976
00:56:35.599 --> 00:56:39.599
other films should I be watching that this guy directed?

977
00:56:39.679 --> 00:56:40.679
What are you gonna tell him?

978
00:56:41.599 --> 00:56:45.320
I'm gonna tell him to ride the Black Swan wave

979
00:56:45.800 --> 00:56:51.320
and go on YouTube and find American Malay theaters black

980
00:56:51.519 --> 00:56:55.960
uh Swan Lake with Jillian Murphy and sit there for

981
00:56:56.000 --> 00:56:59.840
an hour and a half and just be completely mesmerized.

982
00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:01.480
That's what I'm gonna.

983
00:57:01.280 --> 00:57:05.079
Say, listeners. There's a scene in Black Swan Amber had

984
00:57:05.119 --> 00:57:07.960
alluded to where she she falls. She she messes up

985
00:57:07.960 --> 00:57:10.159
the routine, and there's a cut.

986
00:57:10.320 --> 00:57:14.039
Actually hold on her partner screws up and.

987
00:57:14.039 --> 00:57:17.159
Either way, either way, either way, there's a there's a

988
00:57:17.199 --> 00:57:20.480
scene where they screw up on opening night. They cut

989
00:57:20.519 --> 00:57:27.239
to Vincent Cassel's character off stage looking at them furiously

990
00:57:27.840 --> 00:57:31.119
for screwing it up. And if this was a video episode,

991
00:57:31.159 --> 00:57:36.519
you'd see me looking furiously at Amber for not recommending. Yeah, well,

992
00:57:36.519 --> 00:57:37.119
here's the thing.

993
00:57:37.599 --> 00:57:41.519
I usually get really excited when I see a movie

994
00:57:41.559 --> 00:57:43.239
like this and I totally love it, and I think

995
00:57:43.239 --> 00:57:45.920
it's completely amazing. I don't want to watch everything that

996
00:57:45.960 --> 00:57:49.480
this person has done. And then I look at Arnovsky's

997
00:57:49.719 --> 00:57:53.679
filmography and every single other thing he's done turns my

998
00:57:53.719 --> 00:57:55.559
stomach and I'm like, ew, I don't want to see

999
00:57:55.599 --> 00:57:58.519
any of that. Okay, So this is like this weird

1000
00:57:58.559 --> 00:58:00.639
thing that I've never seen anything else.

1001
00:58:00.840 --> 00:58:03.599
Okay, So you mentioned I know, when we were talking

1002
00:58:03.800 --> 00:58:06.599
off my couple of days ago, you mentioned Mother with

1003
00:58:06.880 --> 00:58:08.599
Jennifer Lawrence, which I thought was terrible.

1004
00:58:09.719 --> 00:58:12.079
I will never watch that the hell?

1005
00:58:13.039 --> 00:58:14.920
Oh see, I thought I thought you were saying you

1006
00:58:14.920 --> 00:58:16.280
did watch that, and you were.

1007
00:58:16.400 --> 00:58:19.039
Whoa gad what happened?

1008
00:58:19.079 --> 00:58:23.880
And said not a good movie. So listeners, don't worry.

1009
00:58:24.320 --> 00:58:25.559
For those of you that don't want to watch a

1010
00:58:25.559 --> 00:58:28.920
bunch of ballet, I'm here for you. Let me hold

1011
00:58:28.960 --> 00:58:32.559
on you. You had your time, madam. I wanted you

1012
00:58:32.639 --> 00:58:35.440
to talk about Darren Aronofski, and you didn't, so well

1013
00:58:35.559 --> 00:58:39.760
I cannot. Here are three films I would recommend to

1014
00:58:39.880 --> 00:58:45.199
anybody that wants more Darren Aronofsky because obviously you and

1015
00:58:45.199 --> 00:58:48.679
I both are are in sync that this movie Black

1016
00:58:48.679 --> 00:58:50.119
Swan is fantastic.

1017
00:58:50.000 --> 00:58:54.119
Yes, and he's you know, a great auteur with a

1018
00:58:54.159 --> 00:58:58.320
great singular vision. It just other than this movie. His

1019
00:58:58.480 --> 00:58:59.239
vision is not.

1020
00:58:59.239 --> 00:59:02.000
For me, okay, But I'm gonna try and convince you,

1021
00:59:02.679 --> 00:59:05.719
all right, you and the and the listeners. So here's

1022
00:59:05.760 --> 00:59:09.199
my first recommendation. In two thousand, he does a film

1023
00:59:09.239 --> 00:59:15.239
called Requiem for a Dream. Now. Ellen Burston was nominated

1024
00:59:15.400 --> 00:59:20.239
for Best Actress for her role. She loses to Julia

1025
00:59:20.320 --> 00:59:24.119
Roberts that year. But I'm telling you right now, Ellen

1026
00:59:24.199 --> 00:59:28.079
Burston gives a tour de force performance, and Amber, that's

1027
00:59:28.119 --> 00:59:29.480
that's more French for you. Tour de force.

1028
00:59:29.599 --> 00:59:30.559
Yes, good job.

1029
00:59:31.480 --> 00:59:35.079
You will never see Ellen Burston do anything better than

1030
00:59:35.119 --> 00:59:38.119
what she does in Requiem for a Dream. Now, Well,

1031
00:59:38.159 --> 00:59:41.599
I do love her, okay, Amber, I'm gonna I got

1032
00:59:41.599 --> 00:59:46.960
two things to say here. First, you, Amber Lewis, do

1033
00:59:47.079 --> 00:59:51.039
not watch this film, which is currently streaming on tub

1034
00:59:51.239 --> 00:59:54.960
and Pluto TV, because Amber, You're not gonna survive it.

1035
00:59:54.960 --> 00:59:58.159
It's all about like people that are drugs.

1036
00:59:58.360 --> 01:00:01.599
It's it's it's about it's it's the lives of four

1037
01:00:01.639 --> 01:00:07.559
people interconnecting that are all suffering from addiction. With some,

1038
01:00:07.760 --> 01:00:11.320
with some it's heroin, with some it's its diet pills. Now,

1039
01:00:11.320 --> 01:00:14.639
if I can contradict myself. Amber, this is a must

1040
01:00:14.639 --> 01:00:16.639
watch movie, and I would love to hear your thoughts

1041
01:00:16.639 --> 01:00:21.639
about Aaronovski's incredible direction, this beautifully damaged cast. But more

1042
01:00:21.800 --> 01:00:24.719
more than anything, you should watch it for Ellen Burston.

1043
01:00:25.280 --> 01:00:27.920
She's so amazing in this I don't think you can

1044
01:00:27.960 --> 01:00:33.199
handle it. No, listen, she is blowing Ellen bursting, and

1045
01:00:33.360 --> 01:00:35.400
Requiem for a Dream is blowing the doors off of

1046
01:00:35.440 --> 01:00:39.199
Ellen Bursting in the Exorcist. Man, I just if there

1047
01:00:39.239 --> 01:00:41.880
was a supercut of all just her scenes, I would

1048
01:00:41.880 --> 01:00:43.559
I would find that and and let you watch it.

1049
01:00:43.599 --> 01:00:45.760
But but I'm telling you, I don't think you can

1050
01:00:45.800 --> 01:00:49.400
handle the movie. But damn is it I I I'll

1051
01:00:49.440 --> 01:00:53.239
say this about it. You watch it and you immediately

1052
01:00:53.280 --> 01:00:55.119
want to take a shower because you feel kind of

1053
01:00:55.119 --> 01:00:56.000
dirty and scumming.

1054
01:00:56.280 --> 01:00:57.599
Huh.

1055
01:00:58.840 --> 01:01:01.480
If you're drug free, you know why you're drug free.

1056
01:01:01.840 --> 01:01:03.480
And if you are on drugs, you know that you're

1057
01:01:03.480 --> 01:01:05.360
about to quit them forever because of what you watch

1058
01:01:05.360 --> 01:01:09.199
in this movie. Wow, it's dark. It is dark. It's

1059
01:01:09.199 --> 01:01:12.000
a great watch. I'm not gonna say it's a rewatchable.

1060
01:01:12.280 --> 01:01:15.199
You know, watch it every summer, every winter. I'm gonna

1061
01:01:15.239 --> 01:01:17.679
watch it and then I watched it again just a

1062
01:01:17.840 --> 01:01:21.000
prep for this, and I was like, ugh, all right,

1063
01:01:21.039 --> 01:01:24.360
moving on. No Madega two thousand and eight, he does

1064
01:01:24.360 --> 01:01:28.400
a movie called The Wrestler. Both Marissa Tomey and Mickey

1065
01:01:28.480 --> 01:01:32.159
York were nominated for Academy Awards for their performances, as

1066
01:01:32.159 --> 01:01:35.000
they should have been. Amber, this movie will break your heart,

1067
01:01:35.119 --> 01:01:38.239
but it will also lift your spirits. You know, I

1068
01:01:38.280 --> 01:01:41.400
grew up as a kid, I watched wrestling. I loved it.

1069
01:01:42.079 --> 01:01:43.719
And this is one of those See this is one

1070
01:01:43.719 --> 01:01:45.239
of those movies that kind of gives you like a

1071
01:01:45.280 --> 01:01:48.320
peak behind the curtain on the sadness, you know, the

1072
01:01:48.360 --> 01:01:51.000
things that happen to these guys that weren't smart with

1073
01:01:51.039 --> 01:01:53.760
their money and weren't smart with their deals. And Mickey

1074
01:01:53.840 --> 01:01:58.039
work just doing amazing work. Here has an ending kind

1075
01:01:58.039 --> 01:02:00.519
of like Black Swan, where he he he goes for

1076
01:02:00.639 --> 01:02:03.239
his his glory, he goes for the glory, goes for

1077
01:02:03.239 --> 01:02:04.840
this big moment in this match, and you're like, he's

1078
01:02:04.880 --> 01:02:06.920
gonna die and maybe he does, and maybe he does it.

1079
01:02:06.960 --> 01:02:08.480
You just don't know. It's it's ambiguous, kind of like

1080
01:02:08.480 --> 01:02:13.239
Black Swan. Lastly, I will tell you Amber, and I

1081
01:02:13.280 --> 01:02:16.039
think you would like the Wrestler. Like I said, some

1082
01:02:16.079 --> 01:02:19.760
really good performances. I think you'd like. It has a

1083
01:02:19.800 --> 01:02:24.039
really good song by Bruce Springsteen on the soundtrack. Lastly,

1084
01:02:24.440 --> 01:02:27.599
twenty twenty two, A twenty four did a movie called

1085
01:02:27.599 --> 01:02:33.559
The Whale with Brindey Fraser. Amber nominated for three Academy Awards.

1086
01:02:33.880 --> 01:02:37.559
I know Hong Chow never stop crying.

1087
01:02:37.800 --> 01:02:41.239
Hong Chow Okay, Hon Chow nominated for Best Supporting Actress.

1088
01:02:41.480 --> 01:02:45.960
She is absolutely amazing in this movie. I wish he

1089
01:02:45.960 --> 01:02:48.239
would have won. She should have won. Honestly, That's that's

1090
01:02:48.280 --> 01:02:49.079
where I'm on it.

1091
01:02:50.000 --> 01:02:50.239
Uh.

1092
01:02:50.280 --> 01:02:53.199
It does win Best Makeup, which if you watch the

1093
01:02:53.199 --> 01:02:56.639
movie or if you've even seen the trailer, I'm immediately

1094
01:02:56.639 --> 01:02:59.559
concerned for Brendan Fraser. I'm like, what happened to Brendan Fraser?

1095
01:02:59.599 --> 01:03:01.519
Because it does not look fake. I mean, the makeup

1096
01:03:01.519 --> 01:03:05.920
effects in this movie are outstanding, and of course Brendan Fraser.

1097
01:03:05.960 --> 01:03:08.480
He wins the Oscar for what I will say as

1098
01:03:08.480 --> 01:03:10.159
one of the greatest performances I've ever seen.

1099
01:03:10.719 --> 01:03:10.960
Wow.

1100
01:03:11.000 --> 01:03:13.880
I mean, you know, everyone's talking, like like when he

1101
01:03:13.920 --> 01:03:16.039
go out the Oscar for this, everyone's talking about, oh

1102
01:03:16.039 --> 01:03:17.880
he's back, you know, and it's like we got the

1103
01:03:17.880 --> 01:03:21.280
Brendan Fraser renaissance, you know, kind of kind of similar

1104
01:03:21.280 --> 01:03:26.840
to Keiho Kwan's. Yeah, it's and you watch you watch

1105
01:03:26.920 --> 01:03:31.400
the Whale, and you ask yourself, why the hell did

1106
01:03:31.440 --> 01:03:34.480
we miss out on Brendan Fraser's last ten years? Where

1107
01:03:34.679 --> 01:03:37.519
why wasn't Hollywood giving him all the roles? Because he

1108
01:03:37.639 --> 01:03:40.199
is so good in this it I'm gonna tell you something.

1109
01:03:40.239 --> 01:03:43.239
It will it's upsetting and it will break your heart,

1110
01:03:44.239 --> 01:03:47.000
but it's motivating. It's motivating in the way The Wrestler

1111
01:03:47.039 --> 01:03:50.360
is where at the end of this movie, I watched it,

1112
01:03:51.280 --> 01:03:54.360
and after I took a couple of days to absorb it,

1113
01:03:54.360 --> 01:03:56.679
it made some better help. It made some better healthy

1114
01:03:56.800 --> 01:03:59.400
decisions in my mind. You know, I start thinking, like,

1115
01:04:00.400 --> 01:04:02.679
I don't want to have a stroke or a heart

1116
01:04:02.679 --> 01:04:07.840
attack or this or that, And I see where choices

1117
01:04:07.840 --> 01:04:11.400
that maybe you're making now can lead to his character's

1118
01:04:12.840 --> 01:04:14.920
life and his and his fate in this movie. But

1119
01:04:14.920 --> 01:04:17.960
I'm telling you not just him, and you know, not

1120
01:04:18.000 --> 01:04:21.239
just Hon honk Chow, but Sadie Sink, you know from

1121
01:04:21.360 --> 01:04:26.280
Stranger Things, Yes, she plays his estrange daughter in the movie.

1122
01:04:26.320 --> 01:04:28.119
Because the whole movie is about him. Trying to connect

1123
01:04:28.119 --> 01:04:34.519
with his his daughter. He's this reclusive you know, the.

1124
01:04:34.639 --> 01:04:38.599
Kind of synopsis and it just sounds so heartbreaking.

1125
01:04:39.000 --> 01:04:41.599
It is, but I would I would say give it,

1126
01:04:41.880 --> 01:04:44.360
give it a shot, because it is gonna be heartbreaking.

1127
01:04:44.400 --> 01:04:46.679
You're gonna be You're gonna cry. But I think you're

1128
01:04:46.679 --> 01:04:49.400
gonna love the film. Honestly, Amber, I know you love

1129
01:04:49.599 --> 01:04:54.119
Black Swan. I need to. Yeah, actually, I I own this.

1130
01:04:54.199 --> 01:04:55.639
I got I got the I got the Blu ray

1131
01:04:55.679 --> 01:04:58.360
on this. It's got some cool behind the scenes stuff

1132
01:04:59.599 --> 01:05:01.800
on the more physis of the Black Swan on the

1133
01:05:01.840 --> 01:05:05.039
direction art director is in there a lot. The cinematographers

1134
01:05:05.039 --> 01:05:08.239
in there a lot giving you all kinds of tricks.

1135
01:05:08.239 --> 01:05:10.679
Something I didn't pick up on the first time watching this,

1136
01:05:11.639 --> 01:05:13.719
or I should say rewatching it, because I definitely wasn't

1137
01:05:13.719 --> 01:05:17.360
paying attention to it in the theater. The use of mirrors, yes,

1138
01:05:18.519 --> 01:05:20.719
in every scene, every scene.

1139
01:05:22.159 --> 01:05:23.320
So hard to film.

1140
01:05:23.679 --> 01:05:26.880
Oh gosh. I would tell you listeners, if you if

1141
01:05:26.920 --> 01:05:29.280
you like this movie, get get a get a physical

1142
01:05:29.320 --> 01:05:30.800
copy of it because the behind the scenes stuff is

1143
01:05:30.840 --> 01:05:34.079
so cool to watch. The art director she is basically

1144
01:05:34.079 --> 01:05:37.400
building the set. They block the scenes and then she

1145
01:05:37.519 --> 01:05:40.280
has to go in and switch the set around to

1146
01:05:40.320 --> 01:05:43.039
where they know, like, hey, the reflective surfaces won't matter,

1147
01:05:43.079 --> 01:05:46.440
and this won't be seen, and this, you know, really

1148
01:05:46.559 --> 01:05:48.199
some really cool stuff on there. I can't I can't

1149
01:05:48.199 --> 01:05:51.679
recommend it enough, honestly, And as far as the film goes,

1150
01:05:51.800 --> 01:05:55.519
you know, like I ever said, you know, I might

1151
01:05:55.519 --> 01:05:56.880
put you in the mood to watch all about Eve.

1152
01:05:57.440 --> 01:05:59.400
I think if you're a fan of the highly underrated

1153
01:05:59.440 --> 01:06:02.320
Paul Verme film Showgirls and you want to see a darker,

1154
01:06:02.519 --> 01:06:07.079
more psychological take on the story, Black Swan is for you. Yes,

1155
01:06:07.679 --> 01:06:11.239
all right, Amber, clearly I know what I'm about to watch.

1156
01:06:11.920 --> 01:06:17.239
So listeners, what do you think of Darren Aronofsky's Black Swan?

1157
01:06:17.400 --> 01:06:20.159
Have you seen it? What's your take on it? Let

1158
01:06:20.239 --> 01:06:23.119
us know on social media. You'll find us on Facebook, Instagram,

1159
01:06:23.159 --> 01:06:25.960
and x You can check out a Film by Podcast

1160
01:06:26.039 --> 01:06:28.559
dot com for all of our film and TV articles,

1161
01:06:28.800 --> 01:06:32.000
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1162
01:06:32.039 --> 01:06:33.960
write to us at a Film by Podcast at gmail

1163
01:06:34.000 --> 01:06:37.360
dot com with your questions, comments and concerns. We may

1164
01:06:37.519 --> 01:06:39.480
just read your response on the show and send you

1165
01:06:40.199 --> 01:06:43.960
some of our film by swag. So Amber, I want

1166
01:06:43.960 --> 01:06:45.880
to thank you for starting off the month with me

1167
01:06:46.079 --> 01:06:48.599
here with such an awesome film.

1168
01:06:48.920 --> 01:06:51.719
Yes, this was such a good choice. I loved it.

1169
01:06:51.880 --> 01:06:54.320
We're about to have a whole bunch of Amber Lewis

1170
01:06:54.320 --> 01:06:57.800
because you're you're with me again. I know we're going

1171
01:06:57.840 --> 01:07:01.159
to talk about the forewarning you. Yeah, now we're gonna

1172
01:07:01.159 --> 01:07:02.800
talk about the intern. I know, I know you're gonna

1173
01:07:02.800 --> 01:07:04.440
show up on Phasers at the stunt. So we got

1174
01:07:04.440 --> 01:07:07.760
some fun stuff with you coming coming this month.

1175
01:07:08.079 --> 01:07:09.239
Yes, super excited.

1176
01:07:10.039 --> 01:07:13.039
Uh what it surprised you? What it's? What it? What?

1177
01:07:13.079 --> 01:07:15.840
Did it excites you to know that the curtain has

1178
01:07:15.840 --> 01:07:18.800
not closed on our discussion about ballet.

1179
01:07:19.679 --> 01:07:23.039
Oh my goodness, why I what are we doing?

1180
01:07:23.480 --> 01:07:26.519
I was recently speaking with our good friend Jason Colvin

1181
01:07:27.320 --> 01:07:31.400
about the film career of director Taylor Hackford and Amber.

1182
01:07:31.440 --> 01:07:34.920
As you know, we've yet to cover any of his work,

1183
01:07:35.719 --> 01:07:38.199
and that's when Jason reminded me that one of his

1184
01:07:38.280 --> 01:07:41.800
films will be celebrating a fortieth anniversary this year. Do

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you uh, do you know which film? I'm referring to.

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Myself in that head.

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I'm sure you will join me as we celebrate the

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anniversary of Taylor Hackford's White Knights starring Barishnikov.

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It's been forty Oh my god, this movie is so good.

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Have you seen it?

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Yeah, of course I have. You want to do it right?

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Oh my god, yes, you cannot do it.

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Without me, Okay, I wouldn't dream of it. Listeners, look

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for our episode celebrating White Nights with Mikhail Baryshnikoff and

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Gregory Hines later this season. Ambreau, as always, thank you

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so much.

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Oh, thank you. Oh my goodness, I'm so excited.

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Yeah, and to all of you listening to the show,

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following us on social media, and subscribing to our Patreon,

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we thank you.

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There