Drawn Into Lower Decks: recapping A Few Badgeys More

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Mariner Boindler. Starfleet is better with
you in it. I know, way

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man, I had your bag drong. Yeah, I thought you were like

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a boring worker drone, and you
are. It's a sort of unfair.

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Hello everyone, and welcome back to
Drawing into Lower Decks, a limited series

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from a film by podcast that focuses
on the animated comedy Star Trek Lower Decks.

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Each week, we'll get you ready
for the newest episode of Star Trek

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Lower Decks with an animated discussion about
the latest not so epic mission of the

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uss soritos So Red Alert listeners.
Spoilers are ahead. If you haven't seen

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the last episode, please go and
watch it before you hear what we have

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to say. As usual, I'm
Scott Hoffman and I'm Winwided and uh we

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contacted the Daystrim Institute so that we
could have them bring back fellow Lower Deck

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or David Burns for this episode.
But he's helping a group of EXO coops

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work on their communication issues, so
hopefully we can include him before the season

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wraps up. We're getting close or
whatever Section thirty one allows. Yeah,

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we may have to arrange a rescue
mission at the Day Strom for him.

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I think, so you're gonna have
to beam him out of there. Yeah,

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so let me get us right into
it, if you don't mind with

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a recap. The latest episode a
few badgies. More so, there's a

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triple threat of AI facing the Cerrito's
crew as Badgie, Peanut Hamper, and

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Agamus conveniently returned at the same time. It starts with Badgie who come into

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ars ADRIGMANI ship to lure the Cerritos
and his father Rutherford into a sinister trap

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related to the recent string of mystery
attacks. Before they pursue this investigation,

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Tendy and Boimler is sent to the
day Stream Institute, where a Peanut Hamper

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is up for parole and Agabus promises
info related to the attack on the pine

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Our ship. It's an intense episode
that furthers the mystery of this season,

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provides a healthy balance of danger and
personal growth, and seems to debunk any

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theories about the mystery ship being related
to our FAVORITEAI villains. And would you

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agree? I definitely agree. We're
learning more and more each episode about that

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mystery ship. Still don't know who
it is, though. It was an

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interesting as much as I've been kind
of leaning into that. It feels like

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if they went back there, it
would seem kind of odd at this point,

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especially if it's a mere universe kind
of thing. We'd be seeing nice

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versions of all these villain aies.
Well, as you want to mention,

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you called it too. A couple
of weeks ago, in a conversation between

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you and me, you had mentioned
that you thought that they were maybe kidnapping

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or taking specimens. You we got
that, right, Yeah, right,

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Yes, that was interesting considering they're
leaving debris behind almost to kind of,

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you know, make it seem like
it's death and destruction. Also an interesting

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species they targeted this week with the
Buyinars. Yeah, there's a race we

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haven't. This is only the second
time we've ever seen them, and I'm

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glad we did. I always liked
that episode that they came from. Yep,

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i'd be I'd be somewhat surprised if
there wasn't actual scripted dialogue for the

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Buyinars that was, of course scrambled
into the Binar language. But I feel

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like at some point we'll probably get
some kind of explanation for what they were

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saying. I'm sure it has a
giant clue that we just can't understand because

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we don't speak the language. Yeah, I thought it was an amazing episode.

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We've got writing by Edgar mom Plas
here if I'm pronouncing that correctly,

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and directed by Bob Suarez. So
yeah, wait, did you What did

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you think of the episode? Overall? I liked it here. You know,

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we've got a lot of return appearances
from earlier episodes. You know,

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we're now Lower Dexters, now in
its fourth year, so it's able to

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actually use some of its own heritage, its own creations as return appearances,

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and we got three of them,
and I'm glad that they. I don't

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want to say they wrapped up this
story on a few I think. I

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think we've still got more to come
from them. But I enjoyed it.

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I enjoyed I enjoyed seeing Agamus again. I loved that episode that he first

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appeared in. I thought that was
hilarious, and I thought he was hilarious

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in this episode two. Yeah.
Yeah, especially hearing Agamus. I think

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we're going to get into that a
little bit later, but it's one of

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those voices that I think is really
well cast in this and I totally agree.

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I've always been a fan of the
AI episodes, going way back to

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you know, Next Generation with Brothers
in particular is one that I watch on

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a pretty regular basis. I don't
know why, I just keep going back

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to it. It's a good episode, and these three villains are really well

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developed, especially Peanut Hamper. The
last AI that I thought would come back

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as a threat is the Exocoms,
but I think it's used in a hilarious

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way that I don't think any other
Star Trek show could have done. Well.

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Oh, you're absolutely right. So
as far as breaking down those favorite

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moments, all start us off with
one getting back to what you had said

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before about Agamus, I think,
aside from the voice casting, I think

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Jeffer Cobs does an amazing job with
this. But I liked seeing the use

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of the drones. I think that
was a nice touch of development for him,

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always just being this kind of self
contained box. Yeah, and when

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I saw the drones for the first
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I don't know. I may be
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an episode way back in the first
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of Freedom. The Drones the Echo
Papa six oh seven drones. They look

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just like that, And that was
the first thing that come into my mind.

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I cannot believe that the creators are
the animators didn't think of that,

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but it gave him a lot more
ability to do things. And I mean

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I just every time I saw him
on screen, I had to laugh.

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Yeah, I think it was a
nice touch how they had the so those

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drones. I was thinking of the
exact same thing. I think Marginal Freedom

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was a great episode. But the
fact that they made them all black with

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a red eye piece in the middle
and kind of give them a little horns

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on the side. It was a
bit of a nice touch. And every

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time he did the light change from
red to blue, just like it's fine,

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look I've got a blue light.
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done. Oh that was so funny, just hitting on a trope that comes

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up so often. So sharing some
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of the mission with the Badgie.
Always a very sinister character that has come

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back and you know, to reek
Havoc a few times. I liked the

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initial scene where he shows up on
one of Rutherford's old eye pieces. Yeah,

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that was interesting I to think about
that. I could wasn't quite sure

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what that was at first, and
I remember, that's right, they ripped

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it off of him. Yeah,
it had kind of a It kind of

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reminded me of Lore being picked up
by like the various ships as he was

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floating through space. Yeah, that's
right, things like that. But I

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think some great moments with him.
The boop on the nose, yeah,

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as he was attacking the ship.
I thought that was hilarious. They couldn't

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handle any more boops right exactly,
and getting through their shields, and even

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Rutherford's angle of trying to appeal to
him by giving him a hug. He

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had no plan whatsoever. He just
knew that there was something that he could

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do to at least slow Badge you
down if he went over to the ship

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himself. And of course Mariner was
in tow to, you know, help

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him do whatever plan he had,
which apparently was none, just you know,

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offered himself up as a sacrifice and
see what he could do. But

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I think the dialogue in the moments
between Rutherford and Badgie were great. Oh

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yeah, they were fantastic. And
Rutherford's plan of basically using love to solve

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to save the day. You know, we see that so many times and

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that turns out to be so corny, but here they turned it on his

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head and it only made matters worse. And I thought that was that was

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just brilliant, a brilliant twist to
something we see a lot of. And

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of course then he gets split off
into Gugie and LOGIKEI I thought Logic was

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a lot better than Gugie personally.
Just the dead pan presentation there reminded me

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of some of the beats we've been
getting with Tillin. Right, Yes,

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I thought that too, and a
logical character giving a great deadpan comedic performance.

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Even having Logic he's back broken and
then kind of giving the xis and

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then just digitizing out. It seemed
a little too easy to kill one of

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those things, but kind of an
interesting gamble having Gugie come back with them

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at the end of Crito's I'm not
sure sure about that. Yeah, I'm

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not sure either. That that makes
me think that we haven't seen the last

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of him, so of course,
and then he ascended to you know,

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Q like status, becoming one with
everything and then just blinking out. There

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were a lot of interesting things that
popped up there. I couldn't quite identify.

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You know, I know that he
mentions a few things that will come

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up in the deep cuts, but
particularly that kind of bird shape that was

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appearing behind him. I'm not sure
if that had any kind of connection or

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if it's just you know, kind
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him ascending. Yeah, it was
interesting. I don't know the background of

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it, but it reminded me of
it reminded me of some of the religious

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symbolisms that we see of how like
some gods are are portrayed. I don't

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know if that's what they were going
for, because you know, he was

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ascending basically to godhood, but that's
what I got from it. I think,

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with as many cuts as we get
to DS nine, I'm surprised that

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wasn't some kind of Easter egg of
Cisco kind of you know, welcoming him

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or something like that ascension with the
prophets and all that other stuff. So

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well, speaking of deep cuts,
yeah, let's get right into it.

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Obviously, lewardex does a great with
Easter eggs every single time, and the

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further we get into the season,
the more clever they're getting. Let's talk

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about Jeffery Cones himself as the voice
of Agamus. What can you tell us

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about his background? Well, you
know, here's someone who's appeared on more

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Star Trek than anyone else as guest
stars. He's been in so much.

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He's played nine different characters over a
fourth series, so he himself is an

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easter egg to Star Trek. But
his biggest characters were on Deep Space nine.

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He played Wayun the Vorida, who
was in league with the Dominion and

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the Founders. And then he also
played Brunt the Feringhi, one of the

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Grand Nagus's lackeys. He played both
of them, and you know, he

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actually appeared as both of those characters
in one episode called The Dogs of Warves,

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the second to last episode of the
series, and I didn't realize it,

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but he never appeared. He never
met himself, which that's kind of

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a disappointment. I would love to
have seen both the characters actually meet on

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screen. But then he also played
Searn and Dorian on the final season or

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the final two seasons of Star Trek
Enterprise. We didn't see too much of

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that character because they had intended on
him becoming a main cast member in season

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five, but we never got that
season. And then he played many other

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characters. The other one I can
think of is pink On Voyager. I

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can never pronounce the episode right to
Scottie, it's it's the episode with with

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the Rock, Dwayne Johnson whatever pronounced
that episode. He was the fight officiator,

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and you know, he's he's just
been in so much television. Babbylon

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five, he voiced the question on
Justice League conventioned. I mean just you

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know, every time just turn your
TV on, you'll see him. Well,

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and if you're going way back,
he was the reanimator right. Yeah,

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to me, he's always going to
be Wayun. That was such a

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great part, especially when they started
getting into the clones and you know,

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coming back in so many instances.
It's a really fun part of DS nine.

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It was that was such a it
was a tragic character, but he

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was such he was the cool side
of the dominion. It was he always

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kept us cool no matter what happened. It was a great character. And

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then of course that was the opposite
of Brun, who was always emotional and

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always plotting and scheming. They were
both very fun characters. Yeah, and

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I'm glad we're seeing him do a
lot more. I forgot about the question

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in Justice League, it's a great
poll. But he has a great voice.

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He does great work in voice acting, and you know, this is

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one of those series where you can
bring back so many characters with the appeal

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of you don't have to spend any
time in the makeup chair, but we

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want you back for in so many
different ways. That's one of the things

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I love about the show, especially
when you look behind the scenes and you

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see the faces and you recognize them
for various things, and it's just a

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great thing to see. It had
to be a big plus for him because

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all of his parts were in very
very heavy makeup. To be able to

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come in and not have to set
all those hours in the chair, that

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had been great. Yeah. Absolutely, Like we talked about the buyinars,

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coming back was an interesting play,
especially considering the different species that they've that

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we've seen them sample so far.
I mean, we've got the Rhymulins and

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the Pharan, the Remulins, and
the Klingons, which obviously had kind of

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an adversarial stance with the Federation a
few times, but then the Ferengi and

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the Binars. If these are the
only the only species there samplings are the

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ones that we're seeing. It's a
very interesting mix, and this one seems

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to come way out of left field. Yeah, because the buyinars. They've

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only appeared once before in Any Star
Trek and that was back in nineteen eighty

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eight during the first season the Next
Generation. The episode is called was one

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one zero zero one zero zero one. That was the name the episode.

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It's a great episode, is actually
one of my favorite from that first season.

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Some of the best visual effects that
you've seen in the entire series in

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that episode. Just incredible. But
we saw them. They're always in pairs.

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They communicate with that high pitched digital
language. But it makes me curious

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as to why them Because the others
were major races. This is one that

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was so minor. And I don't
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Federation or not. It's been a
while since I seen that episode. I

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don't think they were back then,
but yeah, they really haven't. We

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haven't seen them at all since then. Yeah, I don't remember them being

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particularly adversarial, you know, another
other QERENGI really I mean, there's been

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you know, some rough dealings with
the for in the past, but you

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know, it's not like they're collecting
all the enemies of the Federation or anything

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else like that. And again it's
just one ship at a time. Seems

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very interesting, and I think they're
just deepening the mystery with this episode to

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keep us guessing. I know that
there was also a mention of you know,

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when Badgie is ascending, he talks
about joining the q continuum and heading

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to the Black Mountain, which we've
heard referred to in a previous episode when

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Shaksen passed away temporarily. Right,
that's right, And we saw it earlier

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this season too, when we almost
lost Boimler when he was in his strange

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room. It was outside the window, and again we got appearance by the

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mysterious Koala. So yep, there's
a lot of that happening lately, and

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I wonder if it has any kind
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it's going to kind of reconnect in
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I think it'll will connect. I
mean, they have plans, They

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plan this out in advance, and
I think everything that we see has some

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sort of plan with it. I
know there were a lot of ais in

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the days Strum Institute, and if
I'm not mistaken, there there weren't a

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lot of Easter eggs to catch in
there. It's not. It doesn't seem

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like they were littering it with you
know, so many different AI systems that

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you could have recognized. It's not
like you saw Laura walking around or anything

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else like that. Lord Tyrannicillicus,
I feel like that was a name that

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we've heard before, but it's not
one that was familiar too familiar with that,

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did recognize one, but it wasn't
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than a than a Easter egg.
One of the ais had the CBS logo

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on it. Really, that's interesting, that's very interesting. Of course we

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saw that used in the You had
a great callback to that being used with

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the Paramount logo as well in the
Ferengi episode. Yeah, there were a

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lot of places where you know,
they're using some familiar tropes with AI,

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Like there was one that was speaking
in a support group and seemed to kind

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of look like KIT with the speech
light pattern that it had. It's possible

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that they just kept this devoid of
so many deep cuts and references and just

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wanted to have fun designing various ais. Obviously the fact that none of them

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could really move on their own.
It didn't seem like they were all kind

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of like placed in chairs which had
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probably my personal single funniest episode of
this. The whole thing is when we

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first get that establishing shot of the
Daystrom Institute. There the little the grounds

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of the prison. You see the
individual ais are setting on the basketball court

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and someone throws in the basketball and
it just kind of bounces around like like

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like a pool table. Yep,
yep, And there's like weights out there

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in the yard, but nobody's using
them. No, I don't have any

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arms, so how can they use
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But that's kind of I think it
was really well done, and it's also

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it's nice to see that they're at
times when it's kind of like we're going

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to throw you someplace where we know
you're gonna want to go nuts and pause

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it and look for a bunch of
stuff if you don't have to. This

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is one of those inesses we're just
enjoy it and have some fun. We

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always talk about the pipworthy moments,
those times when we go through the season

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that has a lot of comedic beats, but always has a chance to build

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some character depth In the lower Deckers, which one, in your opinion,

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had the most pipworthy moment When I
think this one's going to be given to

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Rutherford, you know, he's finally
forced to confront his creation that's gone bad,

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and like I mentioned before, he
decides to try to defeat it with

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love, which you know, that's
what you expect to happen, right,

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but it's it sounds corny, it
is corny, but it's you so many

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times in other series, but here
the love only makes the situation much worse.

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And Badgie starts splitting into two good
Gie and then Logic and then but

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it takes Badgie to evolve into God
to become to see the era of his

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ways, which that is a nice
twist. You know. You hear in

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so many different sci fi series that
these bad guys they want to conquer the

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universe. And but when you do
conquer the universe, what are you going

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to do with it? Right?
I mean, once everyone is conquered,

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once everybody's under your your spell,
what are you going to do? And

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I like the idea that he set
back and he goes, you know,

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you know, what's the point,
And because that's that's what I think,

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you know what what is the point? I like that that that was a

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great a little bit of a twist
ending and and not what everybody would have

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expected for this, and that's why
I really like the end of this episode.

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Yeah, yeah, no, I
totally agree. Rutherford's got to take

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it for the exact same reason you
mentioned the fact that he tries to appeal

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to Badgie, not using harmful or
lethal means to try to shut him down,

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and it is a risky move but
considering how much damage he could have

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done, but you know it,
it shows Rutherford taking responsibility for Badgie and

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wanting to do more there. And
ultimately, when he's starting to ascend,

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they know that he could destroy everything, but like you said, he appeals

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to different sides of him and kind
of asks why. There's an interesting parallel

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with the agamist story where he subjugates
an entire planet, which seems I mean,

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the fact that Boymbler let that happen, I don't know what he could

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an stop it, but and he
did it so fast, very very fast.

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Yeah, those drones work. He
could probably sell those things. But

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the fact that even Agamist is kind
of like, yeah, but I don't

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really care. I mean, I
conquered a whole planet, but I was

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supposed to be here with Peanut Hamber
and she's not here, so yeah,

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never mind, I'm bored and just
leaves. So to kind of diffuse that

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typical you know, AI is meant
to take over and subjugate everything. No,

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not always. Sometimes, like Peanut
Hamper just wants to go home to

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her dad Kevin and just chill.
You know, it seems a little strange

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that she went through that entire plot
just to do that, But then again,

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you know, as long as she's
happy, that's probably what matters.

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And I guess that's another easter egg
is that I think when Peanut Hamper goes

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back home, it's back to that
same station the exocomps were developed. That's

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correct. That was from an episode
of the Next Generation called The Quality of

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Life. It that's exactly what it
looked like in that episode, and it's

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kind of nice. And she went
home. I mean, of the three

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return characters, she seems to be
the one that has been rehabilitated and and

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is sincere. You know that was
that was kind of sweet that, you

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know, she's saw the air of
her ways and just wanted to go home

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with her her loved ones. I
like that. I also thought it was

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kind of interesting that they didn't give
any of the other exocomps speech. Yeah,

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he has kind of the the the
accepting kind of door chimes at first,

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and then kind of the accusatory door
chimes, and he's like, whoa

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hold on a second, what do
you think my attentions are? It was

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very interesting. So we always talked
before the end about getting into the turbo

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lift and exploring more of the cerritos. We really didn't see that much of

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it in this episode, but you
know, with what we've been talking about,

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it's my answer as far as what
I'd want to visit on this week's

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episode would be the day Stream Institute. I've always thought it was fascinating,

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especially considering the events in Picard.
It's a place where I'd want to be

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a bit cautious and exploring, but
there's just so many interesting aspects of that

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to explore, and I'm really glad
that that's a place that they've developed so

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much in Star Trek. It could
have been just a one off reference that

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they never got back to, but
they've used it so well, especially with

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AI. Well, it was just
a reference for many years. We heard

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about the day Stram all the way
back from the next well actually I think

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we heard it all the way back
to the original series or something, but

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we never actually got to see it
until Picard season one and then more now

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here, it does seem like an
interesting place. I agree with you.

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That's my choice too. I would
love to went with Boymer and Tendy there

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because we've seen that they're the front
of AI technology in the twenty fourth century,

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and we learned that they now have
a prison for AI. We'd never

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seen that before, so yeah,
I think it would be a very interesting

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place to explore. I also would
like to went with Tendy and be on

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the beach and make the sand castle. She looked very happy there. Yeah,

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yeah, the fact that she took
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that's got to be some kind of
sand. That sounds a very mellow,

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which is probably well earned after this
season. Oh yeah, all right,

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Wayne. Well, as always,
thanks again for joining me for another

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