Drawn Into Lower Decks: recapping Caves

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Mariner Boindler. Starfleet is better with
you in it. I know, way

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man, I had your bag wrong. Yeah, I thought you were like

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a boring worker drone, and you
are. It's a sort of unfair.

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Hello everyone, and welcome back to
Drawn Into Lower Decks, a limited series

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from a film by podcast that focuses
on the animated comedy Star Trek Lower Decks.

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Each week, we'll get you ready
for the newest episode of Star Trek

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Lower Decks with an animated discussion about
the latest not so epic mission of the

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USS Serritos. Read alert listeners.
As always, just know that spoilers are

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ahead. If you haven't seen the
latest episode, please go watch it before

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you hear what we have to say. As always, I'm SKYT Hoffman and

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I'm Wayne Whited. You know,
we tried to get one of our fellow

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Lower Deckers, David Burns, to
come back with us. I think he

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get repped up with a certain Lieutenant
Levy Levy talking about conspiracy theories, so

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I'm not really buying it. So
as we get close to wrapping up the

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season, we can hope that section
thirty one allows them to come back.

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Well, I can tell you right
now that I received a subspace dispatch from

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Starfleet headquarters that David has been found
and I believe there's a rescue mission is

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on its way right now to bring
him back to us. Fantastic, fantastic.

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I'm miss chatting with him. I'll
be glad to see him back when

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we get a hold of him.
So, yeah, this week we're going

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to talk about the latest episode Caves. Wayne wanted to give us a quick

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deep dive into it, all right. The lower deckers Boimler, Mariner,

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Rutherford, and Tendie are sent to
Grotenus on an away mission to study moss,

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only to find themselves trapped underground in
a cave. In desperate to find

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a way out, the four recount
stories of past adventures stuck in similar situation,

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all the while the strangely growing,
aggressive moss slowly creeps closer. Yeah,

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it almost had kind of the moss
had kind of a D and D

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quality to it that seemed like,
I guess this creeping moss like a creeping

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fungus, not quite like slime,
but it was getting there. I thought

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this was a great episode. It
was almost like a four in one or

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a three in one kind of episode. So definitely got our money's worth.

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Written by Ben Rogers, directed by
Megan Lloyd, And you know, Caves

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is a great trope, a classic
trope in Star Trek. When we were

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first kind of hearing about this episode
and it was such a simple title,

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I was trying to figure out,
like, could that have like a deeper

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meaning, Is this like an allegory
or something, But no, it was

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really just simply about caves. Yeah, so very straightforward. I mean,

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it's got a simple name, but
it was a simple episode and we needed

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something like that because we got two
more episodes left. And I have a

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feeling, well, actually I have
more than a feeling. I think I

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read the uh the press release for
them that it's a two parter and it's

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going to be a big one.
So this is a nice little layover,

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slower episode that that we need before
the big stuff hits. Absolutely, that's

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a good point. I think it
was. It was very self contained.

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There was not even a mention of
the mystery ship at all, right,

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which, like you said, is
kind of nice. It almost seems like

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this could almost be a mini sampler
for somebody who hasn't necessarily watched much of

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the show if they just want to
kind of a sample, but they're a

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star Trek fan, this is definitely
a place where they could dive in.

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Oh definitely. I mean, the
episode centered on the four lower deckers,

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so the main characters. We I
mean, we saw a little bit of

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the other characters, but this was
there those four. This is their story.

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Perfect episode for anyone who's wanting to
get familiar with the series. Yep.

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It also could be a very good
setup for you know, they this

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foursome has always been very close from
the beginning, so it could be a

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good kind of refreshing, emotional setup
for what's coming in the next two.

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It definitely brought to mind a lot
of the cave episodes in Trek. I've

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always enjoyed those, to be honest, Even somewhere it's just kind of,

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you know, a cave is a
small part of it, and somewhere the

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entire episode centers around it. One
of a few that I've been kind of

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thinking about in the past couple of
days. Some of the favorites. One

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is Final Mission from Next Generation.
That's a good episode Wesley's last Yeah,

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and it's one of my favorite Wesley
episodes because he really does kind of you

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know, stand up and come in
his zone with that one trapped in trapped

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with Picard in a cave with this
inaccessible water source, complete with your standard

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cave in and standard injured crew member, which seems to go hand in hand

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with the caves. But as soon
as they walk into the first as soon

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as they walked into this cave system, that's one of the first episodes that

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came to mind for mem Well,
that's a good that's a good cave episode.

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You You've picked one of the better
ones of the next generation, perfect

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example. Yeah, also the Enemy
also from generations. Uh it really,

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I mean probably intentionally it brought to
mind Enemy Mine with Dennis Quaid and Iron

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Eagles, Lewis Gaston Junior. It's
an amazing movie and I think it's an

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amazing episode that you know, let's
Jeordi shine in some new ways. What

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are some of the other kind of
tropes that were used to in trek history

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that kind of come to light in
this episode We saw there was actually quite

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a few of them besides just getting
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there was mentioned all the caves look
the same, and that's correct.

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They really did. Throughout the next
generation Space signed Voyager, they use the

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same set. Then we also got
some others, like the character becoming unexpectedly

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pregnant. We saw that a few
times. The biggest one I remember is

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the child with Deanna Troy second season
opener. And then we've got iron storms

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causing problems. That's very common Star
Trek thing. We have characters that age

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rapidly, rapidly, that's all the
way back to the original series. We've

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seen that almost every series. And
then of course getting suck in a turbo

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lift you got to have that.
I know there was one for Voyager,

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and then I think there was an
episode. There was an episode with Deep

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Space nine and I believe Wharf was
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I think, oh no, it's
Picard. It was Picard. He was

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trapped in the turbolift yep, yep. And I think there was a wasn't

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there a DS nine episode where Kira
and Odo are trapped in some kind of

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a cave like structure and she's infected
with something that's gradually turning into a rock.

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But then that's right, something else
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was a very good episode. But
yeah, and they brought back all of

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them. I think it's it's cool
that you mentioned that it's the same cave

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set that they used for all the
different cave episodes, because something I was

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trying to look for in this episode
was to see if they were designing the

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background to be one cave from one
episode or one cave from another, you

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know, if they were pulling an
Easter egg for certain caves. And they

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did the cave set that we saw
in Rutherford's story when he got pregnant that

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matched well. The cave set that
we're talking about, the one that was

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shown throughout all the series, and
the one that they kind of copied here

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was not as Stage sixteen at Paramount. It was their caves. It was

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the cast nicknamed a Planet Hell because
they hated filming in that best set,

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and they definitely were calling back to
that. It looked just like it look

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exactly like it. Yeah. Well, and I think it's interesting when you

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mentioned, like the the ion storms
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this. One of my favorite moments
we can just kind of dive right into

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that is Mariner's line where she says, a bunch of rocks always blocks centuries

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and technological progress. Yeah, that's
kind of interesting how much that happens.

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I mean, you know, we're
still trying to get technology right nowadays,

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so it's understandable. But yeah,
that they fall into some of those tropes.

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You know that it always comes back
to a cave in and yeah,

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it's it's this five and one episode, so the core episode itself, But

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like you said, we see Rutherford
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baby. We see Mariner and Delta
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Boimler and Levy with the Vendalorians,
which is a little new to me,

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but I think in mid series fans
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and the turbolift during the pilot.
I love the fact that Tendy couldn't get

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a word in edgewise, like she
could never tell her story. But of

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course that was the one at the
end of the day that ended up getting

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out of the jam there. Yeah, what were some of your favorite moments?

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I really liked how simple this episode
was. It was just four lower

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deckers together on their away mission,
but it really explored how they're dealing with

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their new promotions, their new responsibilities
and kind of showed how their friendship has

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grown over the last four years of
the series. Tendy's turbolift story was my

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favorites. That takes place right after
the events of the very first episode of

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Lower Decks, and it really showed
how far the characters have went, but

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it also showed just exactly how close
these four are as friends, and that

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was one of my favorites. Plus, you know the way they were playing

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games during socks into the circle.
Yeah, yeah, that would keep yourself

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entertained somehow, and when you're trapped
on a turbo lift, that's perfect,

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that's right. That would not be
a pleasant game, but they did a

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good job of keeping themselves occupied.
Yeah, I totally agree. I think

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it's cool that we're at the we're
at the point with Lower Decks where we

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can have a flashback that gives us
a sensit of nostalgia for the first episode

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and it's kind of like, wow, it's that mature at this point.

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So that was cool to see.
And yeah, a lot of little bite

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sized episodes in here. I was
kind of worried at first that it would

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be it maybe think of some of
the other TV shows that'll do flashbacks and

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it just shws clips from other shows, which is a total cop out,

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but I'm glad we got some original
things here. The show kind of arrange,

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like you said, of their growth, especially with Mariner and Delta Shift,

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that's something that's been this big animosity. But we saw that character growth

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of like, look, man,
we get the night Shift, we get

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to clean up all your stuff.
We don't get the cool things that happen.

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We just get to pick up the
pieces. It was interesting to see

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their growth a little bit too,
And I want if we might see a

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little bit more a Delta Shift next
season. Oh, I'm sure we will.

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So plenty of deep cuts. One
of them was fairly big. We've

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already talked about a little bit of
one in terms of the cave set and

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also the kind of stuff. But
as far as deep cuts, what were

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some of your favorite Easter exits stood
up in this one? There wasn't too

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many in this episode, but the
big one was the Vendorians. They first

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appeared in the animated series, as
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It's actually a very good episode,
and they've they appeared on an earlier

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Lower Decks episode. This isn't their
first appearance on this show. It was

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called Envoys, And I laughed because
apparently they were behind that whole warp speed

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limit that causes damage to subspace that
was going on during the last season of

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The Next Generation, which was the
center of the stories for like three or

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four episodes, and then completely forgotten
about. Yeah, never to be mentioned

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to get in And I laughed when
they brought that up because even that back

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then, when I first saw that
episode, I thought, well, that's

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kind of a stupid thing to do, you know, limit yourself like that.

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But now it was a whole plot
that they were behind. But they

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were not behind the Klingon Civil War. We got to remember that. Yep,

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yep, ye Other ones there.
Like I said, there wasn't too

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many, but pergium was mentioned the
element in the caves. That was that's

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used for power reactors. That was
first seen all the way back in the

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original series The Devil in the Dark. That was the one with the horde

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of the silicon creature that was crawling
around on on the ground and laying the

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eggs a very very very early episode
of the series. But it was also

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mentioned on Voyager Fair Trade and DS
nine Proginal Daughter. That's two episodes that's

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brought up, but this is the
first time we've actually seen it since that

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original episode. And then the only
other one I caught was there was a

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mention of Wolf three five nine.
We're all very familiar with that from Best

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of Both Worlds in Eminsary, but
this this episode was about those four characters,

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so they kept it to a minimum. The the callbacks the other series,

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yep. Yeah, that that kind
of dinner exchange between Boimler Levy and

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the Vandalorians when he's mentioning, like, you know, Wolf three five nine

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was a tragedy Q exists, the
card isn't some hologram, and the Voyagers

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emh is a hologram. I was
kind of thinking, that's that's interesting.

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I'm sure there's forums where that kind
of stuff is. You know, out

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there is different theories and different ideas. I do feel like that would be

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a cave system in it of itself, like pursuing any of those would just

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lead down this giant rabbit hole that'd
be kind of hard to pursue. I

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did think it was interesting when we
saw the the Mariner story and there is

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that idea of that unapproachable element that
was crucial to them surviving very much.

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It's the reason I watched Final Mission
again because it reminded me of that giant

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fountain that they needed to survive but
couldn't approach because it would, you know,

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hit them with an energy beam of
some kind. But in generally,

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it just you know, it pulled
up a bunch of tropes that that we're

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used to in this and I don't
know it, it made me want to

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rewatch a couple of older episodes.
There are some where you get a little

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bit of a cave and not much
like Times zero when they had the Opidians

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and all of the kind of stuff. And I can't remember the name of

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it, but there's the the Picard
episode with the four Lights. It's a

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two parter. Oh well, chain
of Command, Yes with Kardashians, Yes,

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thank you. Yeah, And I
know. So it's one of those

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things where it, you know,
a cave is tangentially related because they have

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to try to go spill lunking in
order to achieve the mission, but the

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whole thing doesn't take place within it. Yeah. I think it's used to

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great effect in Star Trek throughout its
history. And I'm glad to see them

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kind of you know, give us
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and the whole episode when you were
talking about East eggs, really,

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this whole episode's and easter egg to
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Lowers Decks, it is an Easter
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So we've got the benefit of seeing
several different stories here, so we've got

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a lot of people to choose from
for a pipworthy moment. One of those

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chances to see that character growth in
the lower deckers. Which one do you

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think stole the show this week?
Oh? Well, this was really hard

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to choose because all four really received
equal time and they all had great stories.

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I think I'm going to give an
odd answer, but the spotlight this

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week was Star Trek itself and how
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settings and the concepts of Star Trek, yet it still fits perfectly within the

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whole Star Trek continuity. But I
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Shaks's brief but very hilarious appearance in
this episode. It scared me. Yeah,

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yeah, that was great effect.
I'm here to say, just rips

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it open. With that great lighting
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a good pull of all the different
stories I tried to think of, you

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know what kind of shows one of
those moments that kind of stands out from

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all the rest. And for me, I think it was rutherfree, which

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I know I did in the last
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they mentioned the when he mentions the
cave Baby itself, he talks about it

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like it's no big deal. Like
I would think that anybody else would like

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rush home and say like, Okay, so I just went through a really

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weird thing and tell this entire story. But he's just like, yeah,

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you take and stride one of those
things that just kind of happens, yea.

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And uh So that kind of that
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approach comes through in his vignette when
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giant cave dwelling monster so to speak, when he modifies the tricorder to communicate

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it with it and speak its language. I felt like that's very star Trek,

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You're That was a good story,
And I liked how they used to

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Tiana in that part of that that
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her a one liner sort of thing. She's usually the way the grumpy cat

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doctor, but we really got to
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mean, she was actually smile,
She actually really liked the baby. It

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was It was a touching scene.
Plus, I mean her to cintegrating that

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that diaper with the phaser, that
was a nice call. When't we all

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love to do that? Yes,
yes, I can say that for a

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fact, as long as there's no
residual smell, the last thing I want

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to smell is burning baby diaper.
So before we wrap up, you know,

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this is one where we again didn't
see too much of the ship itself,

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but usually we talk about getting into
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other decks and where we'd like to
explore. Where would you want to be

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in this week's episode? Oh,
I think I'm gonna I'd want to be

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on the turblelift with before of them. Yeah, the beginning of their adventure.

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This was right at the beginning of
this whole series, of the whole

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adventure that they're having. They're they're
just having fun and being friends, and

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I want to be their friends too. Yeah, I'm exactly in the same

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place. I mean, I would
I'd want to carefully avoid the rage fungus,

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and I'm sure that they are parts
of that, you know, situation

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that would get kind of ripe after
a little while. But it's the early

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days when they're just becoming friends and
they're not you know, turning on each

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other. There's no kind of tension
or toxicity that develops. They're just four

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friends hanging out and it was just
great to I think it was a great

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way to wrap up the entire episode
to show them all kind of connected,

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especially that final shot where you see
that overhead of them all kind of laying

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together in kind of a square.
It was just a great moment. And

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I'm sure there's a lot of stories
that we didn't hear that what we'd like

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to hear at some point. And
I want to point out this is something

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we don't mention very much, but
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So I really enjoyed it. Chris
west Westlake's score for this episode was just

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absolutely brilliant, very beautiful music.
I hope that we get a soundtrack release

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for this because I'd love to hear
that separate. It was just absolutely outstanding

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this episode. Yeah, that's a
good call. That's a good point.

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All right, Wayne, Well,
thank you again for joining me for this

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episode. Like you said, hopefully
we get David back sometime soon. We'll

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look forward to that. I think
he'll be beaming in very soon. Yep.

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So, Wayne, how would you
like to chat with one of the

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actual Lower Decks crew? I would
love to be able to chat with them.

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I got a lot of questions.
Same. So next week, we're

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excited to be joined by the director
of tomorrow's penultimate episode, Brandon Williams.

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He's coming to us with a perspective
as a seasoned storyboard artist on Lowerdecks.

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He's been on Solar Opposites and a
recent Mortal Kombat movie, just to name

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a few. He's also been the
director of two of our favorite episodes from

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this season, and we can't wait
to hear more from him about his trek

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experience. All right, listeners,
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