Drawn Into Lower Decks: recapping Empathological Fallacies

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Mariner Boindler. Starfleet is better with
you in it, No way, Man,

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I had your big row. Yeah, I thought you were like a

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boring worker drone. If you aren't, it's sort of unfair. Hello everyone,

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and welcome back to Drawn Into Lower
Decks, a limited series from a

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film by podcast that focuses on the
animated comedy Star Trek Lower Decks. Each

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week, we'll get you ready for
the newest episode of Star Trek Lower Decks

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with an animated discussion about the latest
not so epic mission of the USS Cerritos.

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As always read alert, spoilers are
ahead. If you haven't seen the

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latest episode, please go watch it
before you hear what we have to say.

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Joining you again, I'm Scott Hoffman
and I'm Wayne White, and I

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had a feeling that we might see
fellow Lower Decker David Burns for this episode,

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but he ran into Losana Troy along
Away, who wasn't willing to give

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us many details. Something about the
sacred chalice of Reeks, I think.

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But we still afforded talking with him
whenever the Walks on Earth section thirty one

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allows. So Wayne, let's jump
right into it with a recap the latest

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episode of empathological fallacies. In this
episode, the Threetos's mission is to escort

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three bedazoid empaths to Angel One while
keeping them entertained and inebriated. At first,

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the party seems to simply invite the
crew to unwind and have fun,

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but as the party rages on,
it seems to let everyone's emotions loose while

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they lose control of the ship itself. One person who doesn't seem to be

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affected is to Lynn, who's going
through an emotional crisis of her own,

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which turns out to be involved in
causing the problem in the first place.

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Wayne, what were your first impressions
of this episode? I love the episode

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because, and I mentioned this in
an earlier episode, I was hoping they

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would do a spotlight on to Lynn, and we finally got it. We

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got it actually earlier than what I
thought. She's such a great addition to

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the character to the series this year, and we got to learn a lot

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about her and and her reasons for
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on the Critos and Gabrielle Ruiz,
who plays who voices her, is just

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fantastic. She does an incredible vulcan
but a vulcan where you know has has

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more layers than just you know,
no emotions, and this episode is the

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prime best example of that and of
her character. Yeah, I totally agree.

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This was great writing by Mike mccannon
Jamie Loftis for an episode that I

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thought was going to be a fun
episode because we had bedazoid delegates on the

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ship, but knowing that we would
get this much more of a deep dive

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with to Lynn. And when I
was watching this, I was thinking about

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how many episodes we've talked about that
character being so strong and such a great

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addition. I totally agree. Love
seeing the extra layers here, the fact

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that she kind of feels like she's
in exile on the Siritos, that she

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has doubts of herself as a Vulcan, And yeah, I thought that was

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a good moment to have this,
but it was. It was definitely a

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surprise to me that this is where
that episode was going. And there were

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some elements of she reminding me a
lot of to Paul on Enterprise, who

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also when that series started she didn't
want to be there as well. She

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felt that it was beneath her as
a Vulcan and that she was being punished

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for being there, but we saw
her character develop into a strong member of

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the crew, and I know we're
going to see j Lynn go and turn

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into a great addition to the Siritos. We get kind of a trifecta with

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this one because we also see direct
reference to the evil Peanut Hamper threat that

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it takes us on board the Siritos
itself, so instead of going to an

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of the world or anything else like
that, it's very self contained. It's

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bringing that crisis a little bit closer
to home, which makes me think we're

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bound to start seeing a lot more
of that weave into the actual story,

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and this episode we actually got three
separate story that all connected at the end.

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And some of the best writing is
when you can do that when you

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take your three stories which look like
they're completely separate, and they all come

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together to make create a perfect ending. So of the episode and there's a

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lot of great moments, But what
were some of your favorites. One of

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my most favorite is and this is
another thing I also mentioned a few episodes

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earlier, is we got to see
Captain Freeman and the crew of the Cerritos

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at their best in this episode.
You know, freeman. I called her,

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what was it? I think it
was two or three episode back to

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be shown as more as a bumbling
captain who's always getting it wrong, and

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not in this episode, she was
shown as a perfect star fleet officer who

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got everything right. It seemed like
with the exception of one thing. I

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mean, I understood why she thought
the Beta's ds were that the cause.

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I mean, I thought it was
too But she kept her head during when

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ther rest of her crew were going
nuts. She tried to keep up with

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the Beta ZEDs and and then she
was also able to trick them into fighting

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among themselves just to give herself an
advantage. And when she turned on the

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red alert which activated the security crew, and I have never seen a better

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crew act as we did in this
episode. I loved her characterization. I

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hope we see more of this strong
starfleet officer. I think she took great

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advantage of the opportunity to kind of
understand what was going on with the Beta

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Zoids. And it was interesting how
as you're even talking about that, it's

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reminding me that she was technically emotionally
compromised. She was being affected by this

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thing just as much as anybody else, and completely natural to assume that,

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you know, if there's a new
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that it would be natural to assume
that that would that's what would be

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causing it. It was a great
surprise to see that it was actually to

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Lynn that was the source, and
to know that that had kind of a

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more of an impact on more than
just her, and I think it's a

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great way to dig into those two
cultures a little bit further. I know

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that when we were introduced to Bedazoid's
obviously with Deanna Troy, and then got

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more depth with Laxana. The first
few episodes with Laxana, it seemed like,

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all right, well this is going
to be you know, anytime there's

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going to be Laxana, it's going
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And it's almost like my first reaction
to Donna Noble on Doctor Who.

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It was like, Oh, I
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this character. But became so nuanced
and found so much depth, especially with

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Laxana as she went into DS nine, and certainly Deanna's character is so vastly

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nuanced and so much depth, and
there it was great to kind of go

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back to the betazoid roots of you
know, assuming that this might be kind

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of a set of one dimensional characters
that are empathic and here for a good

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time and just kind of partying but
secretly being bedazoid intelligence, which I didn't

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even know it existed. It's necessary, you know, it's it's fair to

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assume that it would exist. But
you know, it's just more depth that

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we haven't gotten, and I think
that they are. It was great to

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see that they had kind of insights
into this threat, this tiny threat,

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but that appears to be you know, ricking havoc across the quadrant. Well

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and before you know, when we
saw the Beta ZEDs, the only really

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time we ever saw them was through
the Troys. We never really got too

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much explore with their planets, their
culture, others on that, and it

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was usually used as comedy relief some
of the In my personal opinion, the

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best Like Walks Troy episodes is the
one where she's like incredibly serious, such

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as I believe the episode was Dark
Page where they discovered that Troy had a

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sister that had died. It really, you know, that's one of my

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favorite episodes. I wish we'd seen
more of Beta Z the planet itself than

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just a fleeting glimpses, and I'm
glad to see that this series is at

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least giving us a little bit more
look, even though it's small into their

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culture, knowing that the empathic abilities, abilities that they have is going to

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make them it's a burden to a
certain degree. It kind of makes me

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think of, you know, early
days of Jean Gray and the X Men

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not being able to shut out some
of these things that they're they're sensitive to.

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The episode that you're talking about,
is that the one with and you'll

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have to help me out the actor
who played Winchester on mash No, this

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was the all the Well, that's
also another really good episode. I'm gonna

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I forgot about that one. I'm
gonna bring that up too. But No,

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the episode I was talking about was
it had Kristen Dunne. I think

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I had one of her very first
appearances on film. But yeah, it's

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it's where Walks and Troy she falls
into this coma and and Dianna goes into

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her mind to try to find out
what's hausing it and discovers that she's been

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suppressing this, this tragedy she had
as a kid when her older daughter had

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had died drowned to death. Dianna
didn't even know anything about. And I

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mean the seven season the next generation
is watching if anybody hasn't seen it.

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Yeah, thanks for mentioning that,
because it's you know again, we always

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talk about this show as being one
that kind of has threads that kind of

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reach out into other series and make
you want to kind of rewatch those.

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There was a lot of great comedy
in those soon as well. I was

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empathizing with t Lynn when she was
trying so hard to send a message despite

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hitting the same error and was just
like, no, if I wait,

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maybe it'll go away. Yes,
And you know, I've had my own

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frustration with the internet ishs today,
so I can relate. But also the

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scene where doctor mcglimo was having a
drunken fight with his replicator. A great

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job is always by Paul Eft Tompkins, who I was happy to learn in

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a recent episode we had mentioned that
Paul does a podcast with Tommy Newsome,

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the voice of Mariner, on their
own track centric podcast, the Pod Directive,

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And there hasn't been an updated episode
since August, which is understandable,

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but I look forward to more episodes
of that coming out, So let's get

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into deep cuts. So when it
comes to Easter Eggs, levertexton never disappoints

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and it always does a great job, like we were just talking about,

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kind of taking you to your favorite
Trek moments or kind of sparking interest in

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those that are might be new to
you. I didn't notice a lot in

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this episode, but Wayne, what
about you, Well, there were a

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few, but they flew really fast. The two there were two I've mentioned

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right at the beginning of the episode. The diplomats were being picked up and

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taken to the plane at Angel One, which we saw during the first season

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of the Next Generation in the episode
called Angel One. Not one of the

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best episodes of the series, but
you know how this lower Decks likes bringing

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out the best and the worst of
the Star Trek series. And then we

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also heard that they were also going
to the planet Rizah. Yeah, they

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were. They were being picked up
at Angel One. They would be taken

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to Risa, that's right, which
was a pleasure planet. So we saw

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that for the first time on Captain's
Holiday during the third season and Next Generation,

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and we also saw it on Deep
Space nine. Let he who was

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without Sin. That's the name of
the episode. And we also see it

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on saw it on Enterprise to Two
Days and Two Nights, very popular vacation

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planet. And then also when we
saw to Lynn's quarters, it behind her

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was a picture of Vulcan hanging on
the wall, and that wasn't actually a

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screen shot directly from Star Trek the
motion picture at the beginning the director's edition,

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not the original theatrical version. That
was where Spock had his colon our

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original ritual of taking place, and
then we had there This one made me

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laugh to the picture of the Romulan
news zone that we see on the screen.

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That is an extremely outdated than that
was the version that Kirk and Spock

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looked at back in the original series
Bounds a tear when we first met the

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Romulans. I'm pretty sure by one
hundred and fifty years, because that's got

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to be out of date. And
then there were two big ones that were

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in this episode. Was the both
the mention of the Xanthe fever that was

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what affected Walks in a Troy and
cause everybody to go nuts around her.

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In Deep Space nine that episode you
mentioned earlier called Fascination and It was also

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the mention of the Yeah, the
Vulcan Bingi syndrome that is what Sarah Spock's

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father was inflicted with when he appeared
on the next Generation Serak, which also

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caused, just like in the Serritos, the Enterprise crew to go go insane

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and start showing their emotions and force. They really couldn't control their emotions.

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There was a big bar fight in
that episode, and of course we brought

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it out here and there were a
lot of other little Easter eggs I saw.

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I don't I know that Shacks's tarot
cards had a lot of religious and

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historical mentions of from Beta's Veata's aid
from Bajoran culture, but other than the

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wormhole, I wasn't really sure what. I have to go do some research

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on that one. Yeah, that's
that's what I caught now. Of course,

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there were mentions a Woda war and
wharf and a few other things during

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the episode. Yeah, but the
charades where he's trying to replicate Constable Odo

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going into it was funny. And
I gotta say, Kashan anytime I hear

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to Mary and where he says,
so cath his eyes open, Yeah,

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I love that bit. I loved
it. I do too. Let's talk

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about some of the pitworthy moments so
that indication of rank. They kind of

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reflect X when characters have growth,
and we've certainly seen a lot of it

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through this season. It's hard to
believe we're not even really halfway through the

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season. I'm sure we're going to
see a lot more. Who do you

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think had the most pit worthy moment
that stole the show in this week's episode?

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And there were a lot of them
in this one, but I'm going

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to give it a still in just
for the same reason I mentioned. This

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was her episode Bought Light. We
had to learn a lot about her that

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she was thrown off her earlier Vulcan
ship and sent to the Siritos, mainly

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as punishment. I'm trying to remember
what she was punished for. I believe

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I know she saved her crew,
but I'm not sure if she what they

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what they had said on there.
But she's very unhappy being on the Siritos,

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and she just she doubts her ability
to be a true Vulcan. It

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was great characterization, great performance,
beautiful performance by Gabrielle Ruis really showing their

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character in her owns taking center stage. This was her episode. I'm glad

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to see it. I took particular
notice of Shacks in this episode, even

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though it was kind of a bit
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was going through this the whole idea
behind taking Boiler through the slam poetry and

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the puzzles, and it wasn't quite
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take back the bridge, containing the
hungry rage of doctor Tanna and diplomatically kicking

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betazoid butt in a diplomatic way,
Shacks helped Boiler grow, I think by

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helping him get perspective on not being
so hard on himself as a leader and

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kind of taking some time to kind
of step back and get some perspective looking

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out for emotional well being. Showed
another angle of the security crew, which

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I thought was very interesting, saying, you know, we're not all just

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practicing phaser shooting all the time.
And I like seeing him step into a

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bit of the spotlight for a while, So I thought that was good to

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see. Before we wrap up our
chat, let's get back into the turbolift

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and explore a little bit. I
think you know where I'll probably go,

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But you know, we see a
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opts and now to the security deck. I don't know if they have their

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own deck or if it's just a
section of it. But if you had

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your choice, what part of the
serritas would you want to visit? Well,

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yeah, I wasn't sure exactly where
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of the ship, but I'd want
to be with that security crew down there,

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and they were they were playing games
or poetry, playing sharads, but

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when they were needed, when when
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they were a fine tuned, invincible
security team. Yeph Well, and

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we definitely get a lot more depth, And I'm totally on the same page

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with you. It's where I'd want
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For some reason, it was making
me think of some of the episodes where

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they were doing phase or practice like
Guyan and having a chat with Wharf while

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having kind of target practice in there, and just knowing that they have a

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bit more than just the you know, practicing with weaponry. I'd like to

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see what else they do there,
What are the kind of things they do

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on a regular basis. And this
is a bit of a mini intervention for

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Boiler, but knowing kind of the
depth and the breadth of what they have

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to do, remembering that to a
certain degree there's some diplomacy involved in what

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they're doing. Like with fighting the
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to do so in a way that's
not lethal. It's not harmful obviously,

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especially you know, even with doctor
to Anna being bitten in Claudon and also

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the kind of stuff, having that
calm underlying demeanor to be able to roll

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with those kind of situations and adapt
in the moment. I think it was

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a great moment to see. And
as I mentioned before, I just can't

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get enough of Kishun. I think
the Tamarians are a fascinating species that we've

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only seen in one episode of Next
Generation, if I'm not mistaken. But

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the speech pattern and the use of
that kind of exploration of you know,

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not just relying on the universal translator
to be able to communicate intent and and

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get somebody to understand where somebody's coming
from. I think he's a great character.

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To have him in security is an
interesting choice because of that idea of

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diplomacy and you know, struggling to
be understood in certain situations, but I

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love seeing his character, so anytime
he can be around, I'm just I'm

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just smiling. All right, listeners, Well, thanks for joining us again

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this week. As always, Hitling, your frequencies are open, so feel

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free to share your thoughts, your
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let us know. You can find

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we look forward to seeing you for
the next mission next week. Thanks Wayne,

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see you later. I forgot to
mention my absolute favorite, the thing

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that made me laugh the most the
raw music and when they Serritos zoomed off

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and they were like, oh,
it fits very well with the roundans.

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It's a nice, nice gag there.