Drawn Into Lower Decks: recapping In the Cradle of Vexilon

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Mariner Boindler Starfleet is better with you
in it one way mine I had big

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raw. Yeah, I thought you
were like a boring worker drone. If

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you are, it's sort of unfair. Hello everyone, and welcome back to

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Drawn Into Lower Decks, a limited
series from a film by a podcast that

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focuses on the animated comedy Star Trek
Lower Decks. Each week, we'll get

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you ready for the newest episode of
Star Trek Lower Decks with an animated discussion

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about the latest not so epic mission
of the USS Cerritos. So red alert

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obviously, listeners. Spoilers are ahead. If you haven't seen the latest episode,

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please go watch it before you hear
what we have to say. As

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always, I'm Scott Hoffman and I'm
Wayne Whited. All right, we're running

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today's episode as a crew of two
while David Burns is off cataloging gaseous anomalies.

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But we know we'll hear from him
whenever Secon thirty one allows. So

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way, let's jump right into it. How would you describe the latest episode

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In the Cradle of Vexillon, the
USS Serritos visits Correzonia, a ring world

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space habitat where the ancient computer system
that controls its ecosystem is deteriorating. Well,

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Captain Freeman takes it upon herself to
do the repairs. Lieutenant Boimler,

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who sent on his first command away
mission to upgrade the power plant. Of

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course, chaos begins when both have
trust issues and refused to allow their subordinates

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to help. YEP. Well put, this is an interesting set up for

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an episode, brilliantly written by Mike
McCann and Ben and Waller. Seemed like

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a lot of elements that we're just
familiar enough, but seemed fairly new to

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me, a set from a few
easter as we'll get into later. Even

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the Vexillon ring that you mentioned reminded
me a lot of the Dicen sphere from

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Relics the same way. Yeah.
Yeah, as soon as I saw that,

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I was like, Oh, it's
Dyson's theory, and I like them

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exploring different things like that other than
planet. So I thought that was a

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very interesting idea. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, So let's get into some

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of the favorite moments Wayne, some
of yours. Oh, this episode felt

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very much in a style of an
old classic Star Trek story, and we've

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seen many times before. I really
like that. I'm not going to consider

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it the best because episode of the
season so far, because I loved the

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first episode, but I really enjoyed
this, this this old time original series

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style episode, you know, where
where the character has trescos issues and are

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unsure themselves and have to learn how
to delegate responsibility and command others. You

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know, we saw that in like
an old episode like the Galileo seven with

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Spock. We saw that with Sharp
Starship Down with Warf and Troy on the

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Next Generation. It fits perfectly in
with with Star Trek in story wise and

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in characterizations. Yeah, yep.
I like the way that they they're kind

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of easing into the lieutenant junior grade
right, different aspects of how you know,

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they're kind of dealing with it.
We've already kind of seen how Mariners

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has done so in the previous episodes. But yeah, the spotlight and boiler

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is kind of interesting. Me has
that imposter syndrome. Yeah, I was

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glad we got a spotlight on Captain
Freeman played by Don Lewis, who I've

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got to say, as soon as
I looked up who's doing the voice work,

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it took me right back to a
different world. Late eighties sitcom.

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She's done amazing voice work. She's
got credits a mile long like storm That's

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right, among others like it's it's
crazy howmet she's done. So I'm glad

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to see her in that in the
spotlight here, and she's done a phenomenal

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job with Captain Freeman for what she's
been given. I'm not crazy about her

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characterization in this episode. They tend
to make her more of a bumbling captain,

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which I would like to see her
to take the spotlights and be and

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be a great captain in one of
the stories they just keep saying the shows

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she keeps making mistakes, but her
as a character, I love it.

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I love the idea of a captain
that's that's not always perfect, but I'd

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like to see her I do some
good things for change. Yeah yeah,

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I mean I saw she had a
strong showing in the end of the last

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season. I think that was the
one they were kind of competing. They

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were like fighting for the survival of
the California Class. Yes, yeah,

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things like that. And in this
situation was was pretty frustrating. She's trying

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to do a system, a software
update that's like six million years behind,

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and I think they make a great
use of that. I understand why they

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did it because Boilers and her story
goes hand in hand. I mean they're

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both having problems with the trust issue
with using the resources that they have,

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and in that case and the writing
it worked really well. Yeah. Yeah,

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and we get some of those trust
issues on board the cerritos as well.

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So, you know, fresh from
Mariner feeling like she's being set up

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to fail or being hazed by ransom
or whatever, is now in a situation

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where she's literally being hazed. But
we keep having this like are they aren't

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they doing it? I gotta admit, scanning all those iceolitera your chips would

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probably be pretty tedious, but the
OCD side of me would probably have some

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fun with it, even though there's
like two layers to go through. That

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was a lot of chips. Yeah, yeah, And it was cool to

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see that back and forth hazing,
especially when they had Tod haze the trap

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they sent in his room. It
was kind of a jerky moment when he

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was just toying with them like that. But lines like the hidden buttons,

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see the hidden buttons seemed obvious.
I thought that was kind of a nice

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touch. The design of that character. Did he remind you of anybody?

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Not off the top of my head, who are you thinking about? So

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for some reason, it seems like
he's designed to be a jerk. He

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reminded me of the guy who's so
the next generation episode Inspiracy, you've got

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Dexter Remick, who was It's like
the the the evil Trill kind of idea

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played by Robert Shanigan. I like
this, it seemly Yeah, his design

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was just like, oh my god, why do I get the vibes from

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that guy that took him back?
I can see that. Yeah, let's

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talk about some of the other deep
cuts. So lower decks never disappoints when

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it comes to Easter Eggs. This
series always does a great job of taking

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you back to your favorite trick moments
while sparking more interest in those episodes that

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might be new to you. So
wait, let's talk about some of your

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favorite Easter Eggs. Alist had less
than some of the other episodes, but

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they kind of hit you right all
at once. The Anomaly storage room was

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the big one that I noticed,
and I saw a lot of great stuff

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that only may have gotten a second
or two screen time. I thought that

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was an odd and dangerous place to
have on a starship, but I guess

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you have to have someplace to put
all that weird stuff that come across.

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I saw the Nomad probe from the
original series of Change Link, the gromul

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and cooking device from the original series
Enterprise incident, cling on the bathlift,

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Vulcan Lerpa, which were weapons.
There was of course, the Beta is

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a Beta's Away gift box, which
was a part major part of the story

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that was from Haven from the next
Generation. And then the big one that

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took a major part of the story, the Wadi Chula game from DS nine's

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Move Along Home, which I'll talk
about that and here in a little bit.

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That was probably the pause worthy moment
among the deep cuts because it seemed

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familiar. But I had to dig
a bit to figure out where exactly that

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was from. Oh I knew exactly
where it's from. Ye know, last

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we originally we are. In the
first episode the season, we had a

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reference to my least favorite Voyager episode, which was a Threshold with the salamanders,

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and now we have an reference to
my least favorite Deep Space nine episode,

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which was Moved Along Home. I
just not a very big fan of

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that episode, and neither is the
cast. David Brooks has went out and

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said it's it's he hates the episode. It's his least favorite. So but

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then that's what lower Dex is about. They're they're taking our best in our

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worst episodes and and bring him into
the spotlight again. So when I dug

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back and I was trying to figure
that out, I basically googled Star Trek

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hop Scotch and all I did was
watch the first scene and I was like,

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yeah, that's all I need to
see. This is early DS nine.

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As much as I love DS nine, yeah, that episode, I

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didn't go any further into that one. Yeah, and let me say,

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first season DS nine, it is
good. It's just this episode is just

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the one that that doesn't work,
which I just learned that was actually one

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of the most expensive episodes of the
season. I don't know how, but

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that's what. That's what it says. That's interesting. There are a lot

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of cuts for the lot of takes
the head to do for the hop Scotch.

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I guess probably, yeah. Yeah. It seemed kind of weird that

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in the anomaly room they had things
like like weapons, like the battles yeah,

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I wouldn't exactly call that anomaly,
right, Yeah, I mean it

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was. It was cool to just
toss in a couple of other Easter eggs,

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but it did seem kind of strange. Maybe they just want to keep

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it out of the hands of some
of the people in the crew. I

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don't think i'd want them with the
batlet, right, although it's easily get

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easy to get into the room because
Lancelot sneaks in there and it's kind of

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like roaming around. That seems like
a dangerous thing to have going on,

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true, true, Yeah. I
like how the overall premise was kind of

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a deep cut to early day as
a computer support, you know, like

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the safe mode for debugging distalled updates, finding a scroll in a junk drawer.

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Yes, And of course you know
good computer going evil. That's very

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classic Star Trek, right right,
And everybody that finally, whenever but somebody

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shows up in the situation, they're
like, it's not trying to like subjugate

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the population, is like, that's
the first thing everybody thinks that first.

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Yeah, I kept trying to figure
out Billips drops an engineering joke and he

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says, is it a unit tronic? And I was like, that doesn't

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seem familiar, But that seems like
it's going to get engineer fans laughing.

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I didn't see anything. I was
digging into it. It seems like maybe

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it's a predecessor to Dudo Tronics,
which is form of twenty third century computer

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system designed by Richard Daystrom in twenty
two forty three. So it's a call

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back to the ultimate computer and Daystrom
takes me that automatically. That name just

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takes me back to Piccard season three. Yeah, I noticed that Ensign Taylor

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is representing the Kazinti from the originally
animated series, kind of the a cat

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like race. Of course, yes
you, I'm glad you caught that.

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So a nod to Jeff I know
he's a big fan of the animated series.

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I loved the use of the betazoid
giftbox. That is such a weird

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callback. Haven was such a weird
episode, but they did that was really

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well. I love Haven, and
that was a weird thing. That was

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a very silly part of it,
but still it was fun to see it

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again. Yeah. So as far
as the probe that zaps that box,

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it seemed like they were trying to
make it seem like it was in a

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probe like the Inner Light from TN
but it wasn't the same shape. No,

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but you're right, it was similar. It even gives that line where

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it's like, oh, I missed
my wife and it was like, wait,

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are they trying to do Inner Light? I don't know, but I

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mean I feel like, you know, they have that entire section of Wasn't

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It? The was It? Section
thirty one of the Daystroom Institute Incard Season

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three that they visit and they find
all those little easter eggs. It seems

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like a lot of the things in
this anomaly storage room probably belong there.

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You'll probably end up there right,
not in some kind of storage room on

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the cerritos that just seems a little
dangerous. Let's get into some of the

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pet worthy moments. So we've already
talked about the you know, the growth,

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the fact that they're kind of at
a higher rank with lieutenant junior grade

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for those who don't know, just
kind of resetting a pip as an indication

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of rank that's earned, that the
characters grow, and as much as the

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series hits the comedic beats, that
doesn't miss a chance to build some of

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the character depth into our lower deckers. So, as far as you're concerned,

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what do you think which of the
characters stole the show? Oh,

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Lieutenant J. G. Boymore.
It is his first command since getting promoted,

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and with the exception of them getting
self blown to hell and back or

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wherever that was that room was he
went to with the Koala, he did

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a pretty damn good job. I
will admit. He eventually learned to use

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the subordinates. He got the job
done right, all under the threat of

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the death and danger. And you
know, that's that's what kind I'm working

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he asked for. He even sent
his crew away to safety while he went

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and made the ultimate sacrifice to save
Ring World. I think he'll make a

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good captain some day. We see
the the seeds of a good officer.

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Yeah. Absolutely. I like how
he talks about you know, he's had

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good captains and bad captains and wanting
to kind of emulate the best parts,

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but knowing that he's going to kind
of balance that. Right, He's gonna

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make mistakes and seeing somebody make a
mistake helps them understand how somebody deals with

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that and learns through it. And
the little Kobe ash MAREU kind of thing.

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Yeah, I think he had a
lot of growth. It was it

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was interesting to see him go through
his process. It was a little shocking

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to see him die, even though, like you said, you know,

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he was brought back to the weird
Kowala room. But a little shocking at

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first. Yeah, it was.
But of course, you know, like

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all good cartoons, you know,
they don't actually die. They come back

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to life and to live another day
and you know, have other adventures.

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But I'm curious about that room.
I know that has to be a reference

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to something, but I did not
catch that. Nothing in Star Trek that

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I could see. Yeah, I
feel like they're they're hiding a bunch there,

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especially with the little bit of dialogue
they give the Koala. I mean,

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it could have just been a glowing
you know, I think and I'm

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not sure. I'm not sure about
this because I could not quite understand what

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the Quala was saying, but it
sounded like something backwards. I'm gonna have

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to do some research and find out
if it was what exactly that was being

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said. Yeah, I'm sure somebody's
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I'd be interested to see whether or
not that has any connection to that miniature

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ship that was reading havoc in the
first two episodes, which was notably absence

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in this one. You know,
I didn't think about that. You're right,

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it was missing. Yeah, I'll
totally agree about Boimler. He has

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a lot of growth as a leader. I'd actually say till Inn has the

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most pitpworthy moment as a fellow lieutenant. It's good to see her kind of

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in that support role and kind of
help him guide him through, helping him

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find a better approach. Obviously he
has a hard time getting out of his

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own way. Guiding through getting him
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a big part of it, getting
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this character is used really well,
played with this kind of perfect cool baseline

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tone by Gabrielle Ruiz. And I
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relationship with Tendy the last season.
I'll be interested to see if they pair

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up this season in that same kind
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tending kind of getting used to being
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usually do. We know that in
the critos there's a lot of different places

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to explore, So let's get into
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Wayne, what deck would you want
to visit in this week's episode,

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Well, the deck I guess would
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love to have been down with Boiler
and his team down to Ring World to

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fix the power plants. Like I
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of a road towards a great career
and becoming captain. And I think in

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twenty years he's insins We'll see Boiler
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history and they'll be able to say, you know, I was there at

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the beginning when he was but a
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this is kind of reminds me of
Wharf and how he started when during the

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first season he was a junior grade
lieutenant and he wasn't used very much and

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was used for more comedy relief for
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he came he went to. I
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popular characters, and I see Boimler
becoming He is my favorite now and I

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don't see anything changing there. Yeah, that was a good call. I

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think it's even when you're mentioning that. It makes me think of when Data

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had a field promotion to Captain.
I forget the name of the episode,

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the Klingons Sisters. I remember that
episode. Yes, it was a two

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parter. Moments like that when you
see familiar characters you've been seeing in a

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specific role in the ship for a
long time and then they're suddenly kind of

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catapulted into a higher role and seeing
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I think it's a great element that
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Boimler kind of admitting that he feels
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used to be his colleagues. It's
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And yeah, I was going to
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see him stay instance forever. That
wouldn't have looked good. But I wrote

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all this in these notes down,
but then I realized, well, you

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know in Stan Harry Kim, the
poor guy. Yeah, so I'm I'm

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glad to see that these characters are
getting promoted, and who knows where they'll

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go before this series ends. Yeah, as far as where I would go,

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I would probably cautiously go back to
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know what department is even involved in
maintaining that. I guess it would be

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ops if nothing else. But yeah, I mean, you know, last

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week we talked about that menagerie and
kind of wanting to cautiously look around and

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poke around for Easter eggs. One
of the ones that I couldn't quite pin

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down was the reference of the spider, and she said, you don't want

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to touch that and have your head
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they referencing the thing? That would
be a good guess. I can't think

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of anything in Star Trek that would
be referenced from that, so I may

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be missing something. Anybody anybody knows
about that put it in comments and stuff.

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We'd be curious to find out.
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I mean, as long as it
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implode the ship or transport me through
a mirror universe. It'd be nice to

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kind of check some things out,
maybe find out what that bad lead that's

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all about, you know, without
killing any bidy or anything. It could

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be mythical or have some sort of
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or even the mayor universe who knows, Yeah, exactly. I'll be

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interested to see where they go with
the next episode. We've had kind of

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a spectrum of, you know,
different types. It doesn't seem like it's

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the same thing all the time,
which Lowerdex does a great job of.

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We've had you know, deep deep
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I Have No Bones was a little
bit more of a classic trek and then

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this one seemed a little bit more
like a like a standalone episode, So

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it was kind of exploring that whole
range. And it seems like a lot

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of this season is going to be
focused on those promotions, those new roles,

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and how they're adjusting with it.
It'll be interesting to see if there's

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any changes to the crew this season. Something about me, something about it

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makes me feel like there might be
a departure or a new addition or something

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like that that we'll have to figure
interesting. The last thing I wanted to

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ask you, I feel like the
poster for this season that I've seen seems

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like it's nodding heavily to voyage home. Yes, they do that every season.

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Yeah, they have that space probe
in the intro, right. Yes,

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do you think we're going to get
more cuts towards that. I think

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we are. I think we're gonna
have at least reference. I would not

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be surprised if one of the episodes
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That's not something we've dealt with in
lower decks. We've dealt in strange new

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worlds. We haven't dealt with that
really in lower decks, I would be

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I wouldn't be surprised to see one, especially with voyage home connections. I

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think that is a brilliant idea,
especially with those old scientists. The crossover

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episode with strange new worlds, I
think it'd be a great callback, especially

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to have Mariner and Boimler be part
of it and helping them kind of keep

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the time unintact. So yeah,
we'll happen to see what happens, all

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right, listeners, Well, thanks
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