Drawn Into Lower Decks: recapping Old Friends, New Planets

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Mariner Boindler. Starfleet is better with
you in it. I know, way

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man, I had your bad drawn. Yeah, I thought you were like

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a boring worker drone, and you
are. It's a sort of unfair.

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Hello everyone, Welcome back to Drawn
Into Lower Decks, a limited series from

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a film by a podcast that focuses
on the animated comedy Star Trek Lower Decks.

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Each week, we've been getting you
ready for the newest episode of Star

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Trek Lower Decks with an animated discussion
about the latest mission of the USS Soritos.

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So read alert listeners. Spoilers are
ahead. If you haven't seen the

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latest episode, please go watch it
before you hear what we have to say.

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As always, I'm Scott Hoffmann,
I'm Data Burns, and I'm Wayne

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White. All right, So we
are at the end of the season.

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I'm a little sad about it,
but it'd be so excited to talk about

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a great ending. Dave, you
want to start us out with a recap

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of old friends, new planets,
I'll be more than happy to do that,

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all right. Mariner faces her past
and finally realizes she needs to stop

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self sabotaging. We see Boimler in
a chair we thought we would never see

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him. Nick Locarno may or may
not look like Tom Parris, and we

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finally learned what happened to all those
disappearing crews and ships. Captain Freeman and

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the crew of the Soritos are forced
into disobeying a direct order when they are

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pulled into the fight of their lives
and more in this epic season finale.

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Yes, wait, and I'm going
to toss it to you first. What

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were your thoughts on this season finale? I thought it was the best season

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finale that they've had so far.
I thought it was It was incredibly epic.

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That's the best word to describe it. The battle was phenomenal. Character

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development, especially Marner was perfect.
That is where I mean, that's where

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she should be at this point in
her storyline. You know, we've been

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building up to this from all season
actually all the way back to the first

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episode, and it's it's a great
ending for this this chapter of that character.

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And to to move on to the
new chapter, the New Mariner,

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which I can't wait to see.
It's it should be very interesting. Yea.

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I love the episode, that's all
I say. I just loved it.

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Yeah, So this this had a
very good balance. You know,

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you still got that good comedy that
we always get from lower decks, but

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you also get those epic Star Trek
movie feeling in some of the scenes.

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Oh definitely here you know, even
and I'll talk about lotta later about one

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of my favorite moments. But the
score in this was fantastic. Yes,

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So with the combination of all of
that, I agree with Wayne on this.

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This was like the best season finale
that they have done. And I

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can't wait to see where we're going
to go in the future with this show.

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And there better be a future for
this show because it deserves it and

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it has earned it. In my
opinion. Oh yeah, I absolutely agree

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with with all that. I think
it was a perfect ending of the season.

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I think it's a it's a great
apex to the the arc for a

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lot of these characters, and it's
a great time to you know, if

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you haven't necessarily seen all the previous
seasons, it's a it's a great starting

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point to kind of go back and
see, way to your point, how

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much Mariner has grown, how much
relationships have changed, and even Captain Freeman's

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bark, Oh, he goes to
a great place here seeing Boimler in that

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chair, He's a completely different person. It was fantastic with his Captain's voice

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exactly. Yeah, it wasn't just
marn Or. Really, they've all grown

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and we saw it in this episode. There there wasn't a single character that

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didn't have the limelight, the center, well, the center seat in this

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episode from uh you know, Captain
Freeman to tend to to Marner and Boemler

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that they all got their time in
the light and show exactly how far they'd

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come. And it was well balanced. You know, we got that in

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Strange New Worlds where you have all
these characters just being shoved into the episode,

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but it never feels like it.
You get that really good balance of

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all these characters. And they did
the same thing here. You're right,

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Yeah, even with all of Nova
Fleet to have to give kind of a

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mini showcase like, there were a
lot of characters to work in here,

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and they just did a great job. Again, great writing by Mike McMahon

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and May Darman, great direction by
Bob Suarez. It was so epic and

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cinematic, but it had it was
I think balance is a great word you

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use to describe this one. It
was just fantastic from cover to cover.

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Yep, let's talk about the favorite
moments in here. I know that for

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me, the first one I'll mention
is seeing Cito Jackson and uh Wesley Crusher

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and Josh Albert. I feel like
it was missing Jeane hajar mm from Nova

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Squadron. That seemed a little odd
that she was there. No, she

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was there. She was there with
no lines, with no lines in the

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opening shot, and someone else had
to point this out to me too.

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I missed it as well. In
the opening shot of Starfleet Academy, not

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only do we see boothby, but
we see her walking down the path.

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It's very fairly her. Yeah,
good, yeah, okay, it was

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fantastic and he's like, oh my
gosh, oh yeah in there. Yeah.

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It made me want to go chase
down the booth by Ray Walston episodes.

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I love the fact that he was
in there too, and the fact

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that they got Shannon phil back to
do some voice work for this. Oh

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yeah, she hasn't done anything in
like twenty five years. I was really

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impressive they got her back. Yeah. When what were some of your other

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favorite moments? I just I thought
the journey, the story of Nick Locarno

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and and what he's been through very
interesting and perfectly done for that character.

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You know, he he's a character
has been disgraced, thrown out of Starfleet

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Academy. He's never accepted the blame
for the I can't think of the other

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characters his death and the problems that
happened at the Academy. He never took

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responsibility for it. And now here
he is again his his ego. He's

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talking others into following him, just
like he did back then to the Starfleet

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Academy. He hasn't changed, except
for Marty. He was not able to

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talk her through it. She sees
right through him. You know, this

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is the opposite of his other character, Tom Parris, you know, who

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had a very similar background. Was
was you know, was involved in an

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accident and responsible who but he turned
himself in and turned himself around on Voyager

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car has Carno has never taken responsibility. It's a completely different direction for a

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character that's basically played by the same
actor. And and I like that.

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I liked the conclusion he was he's
the bad guy of lower Decks. I'm

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going to say it, he's he's
the the con of lower Decks because that's

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definitely what they were going for in
this episode. Yeah. Yeah, there's

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quite a few scenes in this episode
that absolutely love. But the one that

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really stands out to me is Boimler
in the Captain's chair. It was and

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then not just that he's in the
captain chair, it's the scene you know,

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when he orders the full impulse impulse
and then you know, you know,

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give it everything we've got. And
then right then, you know I

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mentioned earlier, when that score kicks
in, I mean, he goes into

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overdrive right there, like you're watching
a Star Trek movie, and you know

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that the ship gets pulled in,
you know, the Orion ship gets pulled

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in behind him and all that.
Just that whole sequence right there was just

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incredibly well done. The whole episode
was, Yeah, but just right there,

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I honestly thought I was watching a
motion picture. I felt like,

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now, the whole series it feels
like Star Trek. Don't get me wrong,

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but right then and there, when
you had that amazing score, you

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had all that action that was going
on on screen, it felt like true

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Star Trek right there, in my
opinion, Yeah, yeah, especially you

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get the the entire lower Decks crew
behind Boemler, you're getting kind of a

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sneak peak of those kind of things. There was a little bit of I

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felt like it was a little bit
of intrigue and mystery, not knowing if

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Captain Freeman and the rest were on
the warship where they were up until the

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last minute when they were flying into
the captain's yacht. Yeah, that was

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just great having that's fantastic Captain yot
exactly, and we got to the crew

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of the Critos. We got to
see them work perfectly together as a proper

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crew, you know that just like
the Enterprise, this is these are people

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who who when they come together on
this mission, on any mission, they

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work together perfectly. And that was
a great example. I loved the shot

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of the ship running into the into
the field and then the captain's yacht come

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up. I agree with you,
David, that was so exciting. Yeah,

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it was just fantastic. So a
related note to that, I was

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a little shocked that the worship was
destroyed because knowing Tendy's bark and Tendy's story

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in this, I was like,
well, they're never going to get their

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security depositive back now, Like they
can't return that there's no way. But

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the the Orion scenes with Tendy were
fantastic. First of all, we get,

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you know, some great authority from
Tendy where she's like, Captain,

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I'm sorry, but that's not gonna
work. Let me talk and makes a

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stand, you know, kind of
gambles the ship but also kind of you

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know, puts herself out there to
to save the ship. But the the

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use of doctor Miglimo, Yeah,
as the part of my combat. Oh

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god, Fluff, you're down,
and he's like, oh, bless you

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dear, he's being polite. I
was just like, that was a fantastic

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I feel like he won technically even
though he got but oh yeah yeah.

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And then seeing the her ending,
you know, we can talk about this

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later, but you know, she's
it seems like she's leaving, but that

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look of resolve on her face when
she turns around, there's that great lighting

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effect and she says, you've got
this and you know, great determination.

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I would love to see what happens
between Orian and the Federation, what she

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does with it. I know that
she's eventually going to come back, but

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I feel like she's going to take
great strides with the Orions, especially with

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what we heard in Strange New Worlds
where they were like, there are Ryan

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scientists. Excuse me, there,
she'll be standing up for that. So

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yeah, very much looking forward to
the continuation of that arc. But I

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think I think the writers of this
series realized what Strange New World was going

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to. Nothing they did or didn't, I don't know, but it just

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seems like we've got a lot of
growth this year out of our characters in

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Lower Decks, just like we got
in Strange New Worlds. You know,

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we saw so much growth with all
of those characters, every one of them,

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and it feels like Lower Decks picked
up the mantle when it came to

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that, you know, because this
season is the best growth I have seen

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of these characters by far. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

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And I can't wait to see what's
coming. I really can't. Yeah,

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And they did so many great setups. It doesn't feel like anything's necessarily left

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as a cliffhanger. Everything got tied
up with about It'd be interesting to see,

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you know, what happens to those
ships when they go back to theirs,

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Like, so, how about that
mutiny, because I'm sure the Rodmulins

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are always a very forgiving people.
Of course there are. Yeah, no,

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it's just a great wrap to it. Yeah. Well, I'll tell

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you what. Let's take a quick
break and when we're coming back, we'll

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talk about some of the deep cuts
we saw, all right, So we

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always get a chance to talk about
the easter eggs and the references they put

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into here. Some great work done
by the crew that kind of finds places

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to insert certain things. And you
know, obviously this is a big one.

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I love the fact that it started
with one when you get and now

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the conclusion like that typical opening line
for next generation Cliffhangers, Wayne, what

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were some others that stood out to
you? Well, this episode didn't have

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a lot of callbacks to other series
because it was calling back itself and the

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storylines from much of this season and
the seasons before. But the biggest one,

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obviously is the opening flashback at Starfleet
Academy. We had three returning actors.

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We had Robert Duncan McNeill back as
Nickolcna. We had Sharon phil A

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Seedo Jackson, and also we had
Will Wheaton doing his best to sound like

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Wester to Crusher twenty five years ago, you know, and then we you

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know, we've got the Starfleet Academy
was perfectly animated exactly the way we remembered

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back in the Next Generation. We
had the little booth bee, we had

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uh the Golden gate bridge in the
background. Every time we seen the every

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time they changed shots, that background
that bridge had to be there in the

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background. And we got a few, you know, a few mentions there

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too from other things. The Preservers
was mentioned from the original series Paradise Sah

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Syndrome, and the Zendi from Enterprise
season three, the whole season was mentioned.

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And and also in this flashback is
the first appearance of Joshua Albert.

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We never actually got to see him
in the Next Generation episode First Duty.

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All they did was talk about because
he was already dead because he died in

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the the Yegger loop that went wrong. So this is is actual first appearance,

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although he didn't have any lines,
but that that was that was the

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big one. And then of course
the battle in the Nebula that was clearly

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an homage to Star Trek, to
the Rapacan. I mean, the Genesis

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device was there, that that bright
glowing light when it was activated, was

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there, just like from the movie. The Genesis explosion was exactly like it

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was in the film. And then
that music was phenomenal and really evoked James

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Horner's score for Star Trek two.
And then you also mentioned early earlier mentioned

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the Captain's yacht. That's only the
second time we've ever seen the Captain's yacht

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on screen. The only the time
we've ever seen it was on Star Trek

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Insurrection, although it's always been there
ever since, all the way back when

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Probert designed the Galaxy Class Enterprise.
It was always there on the back on

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the bottom of the end of the
enterprise. If you bought one of the

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models back then in the late eighties
early nineties, it actually detached from the

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model. We never saw it on
screen until Insurrection, and now we've seen

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the Soritus's Captain's yacht. Yeah.
And speaking of start Insurrection, the uh

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the steam Runner Class USS Psaro had
one of those manual joysticks just like uh

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committed Riker used. Yeah, I
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itself first appeared in Star Trek First
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Pasaro was named after a digital artist, Fabio Pissaro. He was one

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of the digital artists and the creator
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in some other Star Trek and but
he died last year and this was a

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nice tribute to him. And then
we got the line Lacanner looks like Tom

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Parris, you know, I don't
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Boiler was leaning into it like squinting
and like I'm not going to see it.

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I really did it. I'm glad
that they addressed it, and I

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love the way they did it.
That was that was perfect way of doing

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that. Yeah. I thought what
was really funny was Locarno's line to Mariner

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when they're walking on the hallway.
He's like, no carpet, wood paneling

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in here. That's right, everything's
very clean. What is that? Everything

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else stick out for you? No, just just that that was Wayne got

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them all. I thought I had
both be but he beat me to that

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one as well. Wayne's got them
all. He's he's like the walking encyclopedia

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when he comes to start truck,
which I highly highly respect Wayne, by

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the way, thank you. But
we can't forget about the Mark Twain stuff.

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We thought that use. I mean
it seemed odd like they're taking the

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time to do all that staging and
stuff like that. They have time to

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do that? Are they that twining? It was also come on, Yeah,

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for me, it's the the Farrangi
Genesis device that was perfect cover to

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cover, like the fact that it
had a voice like a Frangie voice in

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it and having to pay two bars
of latinum to shut it down. Perfect.

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I'm trying to thinking maybe there's a
Frangi commercial that sounded like McCoy's speech

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from Rathacon. You know, as
a matter of cosmic history, it's always

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been easier to destroy than to create. Not anymore. Now we can do

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it both at the same time.
According to Earth, is created in six

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days. Now watch out, here
comes Genesis. We'll do it for you

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in six minutes. And that's how
long the countdown was, wasn't it?

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Yeah? It was yeah. Yeah, And now we have Planet Lacarno.

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Yeah, for better or worse.
Yeah, I don't think anybody's gonna looking

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for him. But they give him
a good set enough. They didn't.

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They didn't. So was there anything
with when they were creating Tom Parris's character

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for Voyager. Was he supposed to
be Nick Lacano or were they just very

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very similar? I think it recasted
that right. It's just it was a

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new character. Yeah, I don't
think they ever intended it to be Lacano,

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but they were very careful to separate
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the show. Yeah, very interesting, I know it is all right,

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Well, I know we're probably going
to get a spectrum of uh answers to

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this one, because there certain certainly
were a lot of pipworthy moments. Dave,

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I'm going to start with you who
stood out as the most pipworthy for

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this one? So I know the
last time I picked her, but I'm

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going to pick her again, and
it's a Mariner. And the reason why

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I pick her again is clearly,
you know, this is her story arc

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and we get to see her come
you know, a long way. But

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what I found very interesting about her
was, you know, she's a prisoner

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of the Carno. She escapes him, and she's getting shot up at all

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the people you know, who are
working with him, and in the very

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end, you know, he aims
the gun at herd you know, to

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turn over the Genesis device and he
is literally shooting her as she gets beamed

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aboard the Captain's jhat by Freeman.
Yet she still cares about Lacrno right away.

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You know, she says, we've
got to save him, and she

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tries to talk him down and tries
to get him for them to beam him

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over, but he raises the shields
again and there's nothing they can do about

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it, and he just, you
know, obviously explodes with the device.

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I think that just adds so much
to her character, more than we've already

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gotten. Yeah. Oh, it
just shows who she is and how much

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she cares, all that she's been
through, all that Lecarno has done to

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her and to everybody, she still
has the heart just to say we need

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to save him. Wow. I
thought that was the most impressive moment in

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the Tired episode. Well, you
know, a lot of them were fantastic,

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but I gotta agree with David.
I gotta go with Mariner. It

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was just a perfect ending for this
version of the character. Her whole storyline

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has been leading to this moment.
She makes the decision to fight against the

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Connor, which I love that scene
when she she turns when they're on screen,

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she turns and this guy's crazy and
takes off of the Genesis device.

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That was such such a defining,
such a moment that we I really wasn't

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expecting. I mean, you really, she could have went either way.

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I mean, yep, but that
was oh really the only way, the

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best way for her character to go. She may not believe in the way

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Starfleet does things, but she believes
in the cause. And yeah, that

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was such a revelation, you know, with everything that's been going on with

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this season, that was just just
a perfect way of bringing her character forward.

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I agree that Radio three for three
because I totally agree. There was

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part of me that was on the
fence, Like my god, there's so

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many, so many people that stand
out in this episode and do amazing thing.

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I mean, we see growth with
ta Lynn, we see tend Rutherford,

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everybody, well, Migle Mill he
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yeah, Mariner, I mean,
she pilots a starship single handedly. The

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moment before she steals the Genesis device, there's a little bit of tension where

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you're like, will she or won't
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into it and kind of act,
but no, she went right into it

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and yeah, declared this guy sucks. The kind of soft focus when she

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leads into it. Also the fact
that she convinces other members of no affleet

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to defect or you know, reasons
why they wouldn't. And she's not being

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manipulative, she's not trying to use
them. She's just saying, I mean,

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come on, think about this a
little bit, you know, for

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for each of them, like the
fra ANGI like, where's the profit in

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this? And I know we got
a couple of new rules of acquisition in

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this one. I didn't write down
what they were, but that was kind

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of nice to see. And yeah, that that growth in that leadership we're

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seeing, you know, going back
to the previous episode where she and Mah

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are seeing everybody fighting, they have
a chance to jump out and you know,

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join in the fray and she decides
to you know, step out and

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say whoa time out? Kind of
a similar approach here. Right, I'm

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going to talk through it. I'm
going to reason through it, because that's

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Starfleet as much as it is the
action. It's trying to find a better

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way, which is just beautiful and
it's a lot of growth for her character.

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You can see the leader that she's
going to be in the future emerging

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here. But at the same time, she's not losing herself, right,

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She's saying, all right, let's
get drags, you know, still being

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who she wants to be, which
is totally cool, but not as self

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destructive. And I think it would
be fascinating to see where that goes next

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season and the dynamics of that.
So yeah, she absolutely earned a pitp

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with this one. For all that
she has been through. We are literally

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watching a captain being born. Yes, yeah, I agree, that's exactly

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what we're seeing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, with her mom on board,

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Like there's that's got to be a
great moment for Captain Freeman too,

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like to see her become her own
captain, like, don't do things the

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way that I did it or the
way that anybody else does it. The

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fact that she's going to be more
cognizant of people like Cido Jackson and stand

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up for them and be willing to
say, like, you know, some

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of the star Fleet stuff is bs, there's got to be a better way.

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I think it's an interesting thing that
we've seen in other series, like

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Picard season three, when they were
kind of questioning the whole Dominion war and

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the changeling virus that they put in
there. I think it's good to challenge

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that, not necessarily in a way
that makes everything implode. But just to

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say, let's think of a better
way, because that's who we are and

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Marner's storyline, you know, that's
how many great captains become. Look at

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Picard, remember the episode where we
saw his youth when he was a brand

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new officer. He was brash,
he was challenged authority. Then he got

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himself stabbed and that was the moment
when he realized that, you know,

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he had to turned his life around. We're seeing very simi things right here

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with Mariner. Yeah, it's it's
the whole maturity thing. Yeah, you

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know, we're we're all we're all
young and dumb at once. You know,

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we all can admit that. And
you know you're seeing her maturing in

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front of her eyes, and you're
right, you know, we're seeing those

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moments that are going to define her. So when she becomes a captain,

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and she obviously will become a captain, she will be able to use those

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examples to talk to somebody and help
somebody who's struggling themselves. And and here

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did you get when we saw her
in the scenes at the academy, she

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was basically boymer, really was she? Oh yeah, so we've I mean

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that's quite a difference between what we've
seen now and then we've got what's coming

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soon. It's a big change of
character, and considering you know how long

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it's taken. You know she you
know, like with Card he was like

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twenty years older, so well she's
like thirty six now, so it just

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took a little bit longer. But
she's getting there and she will make a

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great captain. Oh yeah, that's
so interesting. Yeah, yeah, same

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here. That is interesting. You
bring up that episode when Picard was a

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lower decker, like a lifetime lower
decker, right, and he was like,

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I don't want to live this life. I want to go back to

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where I was. So, I
know, we always talk about exploring the

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Cerritos, and every every time we
answer this question, it seems like I'm

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getting further from the actual Cerritos itself. But I know, for me,

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if I was going to be anywhere, I'd want to be on the USS

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Psarro with Meritor and GD for if
no other reason, because we don't typically

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see a steamer in a class starship
that often. I mean, it's a

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doomed ship, so I wouldn't want
to say too long. It'd be interesting

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to explore a little bit. Dave, where would you want to be in

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this episode? I want to be
with Boiler and the crew on the Bridge.

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Oh, just experience experience that stuff
for the first time, you know.

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I want to live and be with
them when they do it. So

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that's where I'm at. Yeah,
Wayne, how about you? So many

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times this season I've said I want
to be on this planet and that planet,

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but I want with David right now. I'll be right next to you,

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David, right there on the Bridge. I mean that was just that

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was just an incredible scene. And
and Boemler he made a good cap,

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did I mean, they looked at
it and honest to God, great Bridge

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crew, and I want to be
right there with him. There's no Boimler

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freak out. There was no no
anything. And their their plan that that

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incredible scene of them throwing the the
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didn't that reminded me so much a
Riker's plan in Star Trek, the card

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where he threw that that did asteroid
right at that Changeling ship. That it's

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a great plan. Yeah, brute
slinging something. Yeah, I think it'd

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be interesting, you know, noting
the different faces we saw in his crew.

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There are some new faces that I
saw there that we haven't gotten that

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much from. There's a trill character
that I'd like to see a little bit

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more. I didn't notice the other
species. I didn't take specific note of

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what they were, but it would
be fascinating to see, you like,

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here's a sampling of some of the
future characters you might see coming into the

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whole thing. And knowing that Ti
Linn is going to be, you know,

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a science bestie, even if Teddy
isn't still going to be there,

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but knowing that she's still going to
be around, I think she had a

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great arc this season. I'm graddy, I'm glad to see her still being

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around. So in thinking about that, Scott, where do we think they're

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going to go with season five?
What do you think they can do now?

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Because I mean they've done so much
in this season. This was a

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very epic season with Lacarno being the
main villain, and I agree with you

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Wayne, he definitely was the con
of this whole season and stuff like that.

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But where do you think this is
going to lead us? Because it

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is lower decks, but it feels
like our crew, our lower Deckers have

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grown so much in this season.
Where do you think they're going to go.

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Well, obviously we're going to Ryan. I think next season we're going

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to really explore the characters there that
you know, we've got all this stuff

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development, now let's see where they
take it. We're gonna I think we're

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going to see a little bit more
of them actually using their rank and commanding.

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I think they're they're going to be
better at it. They're not new

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anymore. Where maybe even see them, uh, you know, command some

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missions. Yeah, but we're definitely
going to get more growth, more exploration

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and uh to Lynn is now an
official lower Decker. I think we're going

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to see a lot more of her
actually see some storylines revolved around her.

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I think it's it's going to be
a very interesting season seeing where these characters

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go. Scot, I think I
think you might have been onto something when

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you said you saw some new faces
there. Maybe that's their plan too.

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We're going to get some new faces
that are going to be some of the

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lower Deckers that now the crew that
we've known and you know love, are

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going to have to take them under
their wings now and kind of like,

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you know, raise them basically in
a way to help them grow like our

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crew group. You know, maybe
you're honest something there's Scott. Yeah,

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I think it's likely that, you
know, we're going to see a different

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kind of leadership from Mariner, a
different kind of leadership from Boimler. We

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might see a different Rutherford when Tendy's
not around, and there might be certain

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lewer Deckers that are expecting a certain
thing and not necessarily seeing that. Not

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necessarily that's going to be a bad
thing, but definitely seeing that growth.

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I'd like to see them do another
underlying arc with the next one. It

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doesn't necessarily have to replicate the whole
mystery ship kind of thing. It might

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be something else that kind of adds
some tension. I do appreciate that,

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you know, I've heard Mike McMahon
talk about wanting to make sure that the

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episodes can all stand alone, which
I think they very much do. There

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was nothing here that necessarily seemed dependent
on previous episodes. Maybe with the exception

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of these two, but even if
you just came in cold, you'd be

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able to understand what was going on. Yeah, I'd love to see them

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getting into it into that type of
direction for more than one season, and

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we're only officially signed up for one
more. But the powers that be have

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got to see how much this is
a groundbreaking show and how much potential it

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has. I'd love to see some
more, Brandon. Brandon said, seven

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seasons in a movie, Let's do
it. Oh yeah, I'd love to

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see that. We've seen them,
We've seen crew members from the Next Generation,

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we've seen do Space nine, we've
seen Voyager, and I know they've

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the producers have also talked about wanting
to do this. I would not be

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surprised if we happen to see some
sort of either time travel or flashback or

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something to the crew of the Enterprise
of the of the TV series The Original.

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Oh yeah, it'd be awesome.
I'll be okay with that for sure.

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And I'd be very okay with seeing
another crossover. Oh yeah, yeah,

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definitely. Maybe in the other direction. You know, if, like

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I think we mentioned that before,
Strange New World's characters appear in the animated

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version, I would be all for
that'd be great. Now, I got

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a question for you guys. Now
that this season's over with and we got

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season five coming up, what do
you think is going to appear in the

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title sequence next season. Oh oh, you know what's interesting is that the

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front of that scene is so packed. I hadn't thought to look at the

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back of that scene, but I
feel like if you had a giant TV

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or if you're able to kind of
zoom in on that, there's maybe another

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couple of ships we haven't seen toward
the back. Could be. I don't

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know. Well, I think and
I personally would find this hilarious. But

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I mean, we saw the whale
probe appear in this season with Star Trek

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four, fourth season, well we
got the fifth season. If the Face

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of God appears, it starts blasting
lasers out of his eyes, eye all

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out of my chair laughing. Yeah, that would be ultimate, Wayne,

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Yeah, it would be fantastic.
And remember Brandon even mentioned Star Trek five

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a little bit to it. That's
right when we talked to him with the

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last episode, So hey, you
might be on something their way. Yeah,

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what does God need with a starship? All right? Everybody, Well,

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thanks for joining us for another episode. Listeners. We always appreciate joining

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us for another mission. As always, hailing frequencies are always open, so

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feel free to share your thoughts predictions
about next season questions on social media.

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If you want more Trek, let
us know. You can find us at

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a film by podcast dot com,
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on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. And guys, I think we've

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had a lot of fun with these
new Trek series. How do we feel

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about keeping it rolling with more of
a regular series? Are you in?

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Oh, I'm totally in for that. Oh, definitely cool. Well,

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listeners, we're setting up a regular
series on a film by podcast. We're

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calling it Phasers Set to Stun,
and we're going to talk about new Trek,

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the classics, the movies, everything
we can fit in the turbo lift.

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So look for more info coming as
soon and we'll be seen you next

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time. We wait then, thank
you so much. Oh, thank you.

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We'll see everybody later, David.
Great bit to have you back,

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man, well gets great to be
back. Thanks all right, see next

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time see you. Where did you
guys watch my favorite Martian at all?

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Oh? Yeah, Grey Wilson,
Yeah a long time ago. Oh god,

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I love that show. Back when
it was on Nicked Night or whatever

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there was, Yeah, yeah,
Naked Night when Nick and Night was good.

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Yeah, exactly, you know,
back when m TV showed music videos,

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Yeah, exactly,