Drawn Into Lower Decks: recapping Something Borrowed, Something Green

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Mariner Boindler. Starfleet is better with
you in it one way minute I had

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your bed raw. Yeah, I
thought you were like a boring worker drone,

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and you are. It's sort of
unfair. Hello everyone, and welcome

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back to Drawn Into Lower Decks,
a limited series from a film by a

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podcast that focuses on the animated comedy
Star Trek Lower Decks. Each week,

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we'll get you ready for the newest
episode of Star Trek Lower Decks with an

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animated discussion about the latest not so
epic mission of the USS Serritos. So

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obviously, as always, read alert, spoilers are ahead. If you haven't

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seen the latest episode, please go
watch it before you hear what we have

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to say. As always, I'm
Scott Hoffman and I'm Wayne White, and

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we were so close to having our
fellow ensign, David Burns back with us,

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but he accidentally picked up an opidian
umbrella in an antique store. He

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sent us a lovely postcard from the
nineteenth century San Francisco, and we look

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forward to talking with him whenever.
Section thirty one allows, Wayne, let's

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jump right into it with a recap
of the latest episode, Something Borrowed,

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Something Green. In this episode,
we got to focus on fan favorite Divana

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Tendy and a closer look at the
Oriyan homeworld. While Tendy heads home with

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Mariner and to Lynn to attend her
sister's wedding slash kidnapping, she slowly reveals

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aside she's worked hard to keep hidden
from her crew. Meanwhile, on the

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Cerritos, we see cracks in the
friendship between Boimler and Rutherford, but they

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slowly mend in the Holodeck as dueling
twin twains. So I'll say this is

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certainly one of the more unusual episodes
so far. I think it was very

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well written by Mike McCann and Grace
Para. Wayne, what did you think

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of this episode? I love this
episode. We have two completely separate stories

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they don't interconnect at the end,
but a lot of news stuff, a

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lot of whirl building here in this
this episode. Yeah, I thought Bournan

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Rutherford's friendship, the whole thing with
their fight and then their solution in the

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Holidack was just was just brilliant and
hilarious. It's the best Mark twin I've

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seen it. Insert that's wait a
second time, Zero was brilliant. I'm

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not going to say that yet,
but it's a contender. Yeah, it

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certainly had in the scale of twains, it had the most ever in Star

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Trek. Yeah, it definitely seems
a lot more personal, right, and

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both stories very first. Definitely,
definitely we got to learn a lot about

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some of the characters. We got
to all we got to learn about the

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friendship, but we got to learn
a lot about Tendy and her world and

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her family, which it's great seeing
the background of this character, plus the

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Orion's which we have seen very little
of in any of the Star Trek series.

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Yeah, and I think they made
brilliant use of that by saying,

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this is a great opportunity not for
us to mend fences, and they kind

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of queue back to the Murderous Mirror
universe Peanut Hamper in the beginning, but

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saying like, we don't know a
lot about it, so let's also send

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to lend there to document some of
this and to help people kind of understand

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it's it's a I think it's a
great build on what we got kind of

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a hint to in those old scientists, right, saying like Orion's are not

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just this this one dimensional kind of
race. So your species. So let's

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get into the some of your favorite
moments from this episode. Well, you

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know boy in rough difference friendship and
the way they overcome our argument I mentioned

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that's on the Holidack. And then
but on top of that, when they

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get Captain Freeman and the alien chow
Knath in it to do it that that

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had me rolling. That shot with
the chow Knath and the Mark Twain wig

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On was just absolutely hilarious. I
love that scene. And of course,

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you know, the plan fails because
the whole thing is absolutely ridiculous. That's

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what that's that's what makes it great. Of course, you know we got

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the solution, which actually rather surprised
me but made me very happy. You

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know, I wasn't sure how they
were going to solve their differences. Why

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not have the alien eat their plants? I mean that that that was fantastic.

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And then the Orions, I really
you know, I'm such a trekky

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and seeing more the Orions and their
planet and their culture being explored on Star

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Trek was was was great. You
know, they're the one of the first

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alien races to ever appear on Star
Trek, and after fifty seven years,

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we know very little about them,
but they never appeared at all on any

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of the twenty fourth century series.
They appeared on Enterprise, but still even

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then we did learn much about it. I think that this episode will be

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Lower Deck's biggest con tribution to the
Star Trek continuity because it is exploring and

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developing the Orion race, either through
this episode or through Lieutenant Tindy and what

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we see of her later on as
a series progresses, and you know,

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any future Star Trek that that wishes
to use the Orion's will have to look

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back to Lower Decks and specifically this
episode from now on, and it's a

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it's a great format to be able
to do that exploration with animation. You

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can create vast landscapes, you know, get it, and it's it's a

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serious exploration, like I know that
when you get into the Pheromone bar right,

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it's not necessarily as serious, and
there's a lot of humor with it.

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But at the same time that I
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establishing what would their structure be,
right, not just thinking of it as

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you know, what we'd seen in
the original series. Going beyond that a

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little bit, I think we got
a little taste of that with the the

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crisp Pine Star Trek. Yes,
where right? And I know that there's

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been some other minor dips into Orions
with I think Enterprise, Right, Ever

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since the original Star Trek, we've
only known the Orions. It's the Orion

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pirates. You know that. We've
we heard that many times, you know

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that, And but that's all we've
seen. We've never actually went any farther

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than than pirates going around in a
spaceship. And uh, to finally see

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that there's more to that than just
them going around pillaging uh poral spaceships or

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worlds that that are lesser than them, to actually see they have a culture.

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Uh, they have you know,
have a civilization that's that's built.

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It's it's great to be able to
delve deep, deeper into this on and

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race. I think there's a there's
a brilliant parallel between the two stories because

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we also get a lot more than
I ever knew about another race through the

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critos. Right the am I saying
it read the Chellenoth Chelnoth. Yes,

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that's correct, another race, well
very little of right, But then reading

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what little has been documented, and
I'm going from like what do you call

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it? The Memory Alpha kind of
the Wikipedia of stars. Yes, yes,

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just got into you know, what
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limited to Essac. You know,
they seem to be kind of a warrior

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race. But there's not necessarily a
lot about scientific exploration yet when we first

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see let's see if I get the
name right, is it cocor almost any

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talking about you know, cataloging spatial
anomalies or gaseous anomalies or something like that,

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Like you don't necessarily associate that with
what we've seen of them so far.

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But it's broadening things a little bit. It's it's building that out.

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Yeah, and I think they did
it in a great way. And I

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think, you know, hats off
to Noel Wells that does the voice for

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for Tendy. There's a tremendous following
behind this character. And it just shows

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you know, how well they're doing
with the writing and the performances that are

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giving us the great opportunity to get
more into this. And anytime you're expanding

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Star Trek, it's a it's a
good thing in my opinion. And the

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shelloth to expand on your your reference
that they first appeared and barely appeared in

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a third season ext Generation episode called
Alliance. He was kidnapped along with Pcard

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and a couple of other people when
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little prison. That's pretty much all
we really saw that character. However,

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they did explore this this race a
little bit more in the DC comic books

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from the literally and nineties, and
I have the issues, but my collection

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is fast. It would take me
hours to go through and try to find

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those issues. But I do know
that the and I recognize the right away.

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The ship that they had on this
this uh episode for him matched the

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ship that was designed for the DC
comics. Matter of fact, I was

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I looked it up online. It
was the same design that was on the

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cover of the issue that he first
appeared to. I'm glad they have that

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connection. I thought that was fantastic
that they were at least making a little

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nod to the comic book adventures.
Interesting. Yeah, so the little glimpse,

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So I haven't seen those comics,
but the little glimpse that I was

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able to see, you know,
over the shoulder of one of the characters,

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it almost kind of reminded me of
the X Men's Blackbird. Yes,

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it did look at that little portion. It was kind of interesting. Yeah,

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I totally agree with what you're saying, seeing a lot more of not

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only ten D but the Orian home
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we're getting more to lenn In here. I think her deadpan delivery is spot

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on, and it's not you know
that she's dead pan and oblivious. She's

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completely aware of what's going on in
the situation and you know, applying logic

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to this and just having this great
deadpan foil to the other characters. I'm

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glad we're seeing more of her.
I agree absolutely. I also, you

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know, to talk about the mustache, elephant in the room, both of

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those Mark Twayne Holidack sequences. I
absolutely loved it. There are certain Star

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Trek, there are certain Next Generation
episodes that I come back to on a

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regular basis. One that you already
mentioned Allegiance. We'll get into that a

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little bit later. But Time Zerow
I thought was a fantastic arc. And

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I don't know the actor's name,
but the one that played Mark Twain did

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a phenomenal job. That would be
Jerry Harden, and you are absolutely right,

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he was phenomenalized Mark Twain. I
love those episodes. Two. Oh

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God, he's just he's enjoyed to
listen to and so to hear Boimler and

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Rutherford kind of continue that. I
know that there their Southern accent is a

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lot more exaggerated we hear than we
hear in that twain, But I'm guessing

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that the recording booth must have been
a lot of fun. In both of

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those. There's a great mention when
coke Or says, you know, somebody

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says tried in a Southern accent.
He's like, I'm Southern child. That

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is a Southern accent and gets upset. Yeah, I laughed at that.

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I thought that was fantastic. Well, kind of on a related subject,

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we've already gotten into a little bit
of it. But as far as deep

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cuts, you know, when it
comes to Easter Eggs, lower Deck is

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probably the leader in uh in Star
Trek universe, and it takes you back

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to a lot of those episodes,
sparkling interest in ones that you haven't seen.

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I know that there's one in particular
that I'll that I'll mention and I'll

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probably want to look into a little
bit more regarding the Orion's and we've already

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talked about times era a little bit. What were some of your favorite Easter

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eggs? Well, there wasn't too
many of minutes episode. Now, this

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was more about building new characters in
the New Worlds. But at the beginning

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of the episode, the Orion vessel
that the mysterious ship destroyed is a twenty

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fourth century update to the original twenty
second century Orion ship that we saw an

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enterprise, great great nod back to
the original designs of it. And then

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of course you know all's going on
with the Orions. They mentioned that the

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belly dancer outfits, which is exactly
how we were first introduced to the Orions,

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all the way back in the very
first Star Trek episode I ever made

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the cave. And then the big
East egg that I saw was the ship

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that they found in the Orion junkyard. That was a Raven class vessel.

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That's the same type of ship that
Anica Hanson and her parents were on when

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they were captured by the and assimilated
by the Borg and the Star Trek Voyger

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episode the Raven. Of course,
Annika Hanson is seven of nine and as

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we know from from Voyager in from
Star Trek the card, so that is

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fascinating that actually makes me want to
dive into that episode a little bit.

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I never watched a lot of Voyager, but I'm getting a little, you

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know, little tastes of it.
And I saw that design of that ship

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and I loved it immediately. So
knowing that that's absolutely something I'm gonna dig

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back into. Oh yeah, Voyager's
worth watching. Anyone out there that that

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his skip Voyager watch it. It
gets better. The longer goes, the

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further and you go, the better
it is. I have a feeling I'm

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probably going to be hitting you and
David Upp for a curated list to say,

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give me the samplers that are really
going to get me hooked. So

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yeah, a few of the deep
cuts that I had seen, so there

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was one. I love the Pheromone
discussion. I think the Ingrida character was

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phenomenal. Her design seemed like she
was inspired by Purcella, the sea Witch

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from Little Mermaid. Yes, I
think she just chewed the scenery. I

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left how they're all talking about getting
hopped up on the stink and also the

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kind of stuff. But then there
was a mention that I didn't quite recognize.

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Somebody mentioned something around making up a
reason that a Captain would get seduced

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by show girls. Do you know
what they were talking about there? I

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don't know the specific episode, but
that is a direct reference to Archer.

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Captain Archer from Enterprise when he first
encountered the Orion's he saw the Ryan slave

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girls in their belly dancer outfits and
he was seduced by their pheromones. I

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wish I knew the episode. I
actually missed that, so I didn't have

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it in my notes, and I
can't believe that actually slipped by me.

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No problem, I'm probably going to
go digging, digging into to try to

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find it. I am another one
that's a little bit of a you know,

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a sidebar, but I liked seeing
the Orion language that they had kind

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of written on the edge of the
sedan and around the world. So whenever

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I you know, this goes back
to reading Legion to superheroes and you know,

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having interlack be something that's a one
to one letter for letter, something

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that you could translate if you kind
of sit down and think through it.

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I always thought that was a lot
of fun with that. I love seeing

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those type of translations, and those
are just little things that are kind of

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pauseworthy. Moments that somebody could go
in and say, like, I wonder

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if I guessed letter for letter what
these things would say, and kind of

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decrypting that. I kind of like
doing that from time to time. It

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wouldn't surprise me that there is some
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I can't see them just putting scribbles
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it, because they do with every
scene, and it's got to have a

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great inside joke that goes with it. I'm sure. Yeah, Yeah,

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my favorite deep cut has got to
be Coke Or voiced by Eric Bowza.

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The voice acting credits for this person
go on for Miles. I love the

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character's design, kind of reminding me
of a cross between Klingon and Clifford from

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the Muppets. If that's not kind
of too much of a deep cut for

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people, But as soon as I
saw that, I was like, wait

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a second, is that a child
off from Allegiance. It's one of my

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favorite TNG episodes. Essac was probably
with my favorite character in that dynamic,

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especially when he tried to eat the
rations in their cell. Kind of that

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jellied cat food thing reminded me of
Jeff Johnson. Trying to eat a veggie

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patty, you'd just be like,
poison. I can't have this. I

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need to survive. And I love
the fact that he could survive by eating

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bondsaie trees, Like that's a total
left turn that you wouldn't expect to the

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species. But just a look of
horror on Boiler and Rutherford's face, it

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was fantastic. And that that line
that he delivers where he says, why

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am I wearing this itchy hair hat? Brilliant, just so well done.

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Bring on the child. I love
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We're talking about the pit worthy moments. We've talked about that before,

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the indication of rank on their necks
and this. You know, as much

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of this series hits the comedic beats, it doesn't miss a chance to build

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some character depth. So who do
you think stile the show? I mean,

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this is Tendies episode, and I'm
sure she did steal the show.

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I will agree that, but I'm
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Lieutenant to Lynn. Her characters played
by Gabrielle Ruez. This character has been

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around for a little while, she's
been there. I kind of ignored that

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character until now. This episode showed
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she has a sense of humor and
she makes a great addition to the

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lower Deck team. I loved her
in this episode. I loved her with

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Mariner and the interaction she has.
I hope the plan is to make her

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a permanent part of the show,
because we need to see more of her

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and make her more part an integral
part of the stories. My eyes were

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open on this, so I'm going
to give this episode to her. Yeah,

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I gotta I'm gonna double down and
totally agree with that. You know,

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if we can get more of to
Lynn, I'll be I'll be very

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happy. As always. Let's get
into the turbolift and explore around a little

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bit, from the familiar territory like
engineering, to new areas like cetacean ops.

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There's a lot to see and a
lot that they're kind of broadening in

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this animated series. Where would you
want to visit? In this week's episode,

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All the Planet, Ryan, I
get, well, you know,

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I'm not a girl, but I
would love to have joined U ten D,

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Mariner, and to Lynn on their
girl trip to the planets. After

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all, I mean you know what
red or green blooded life form would wouldn't

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would like to visit a planet where
the girls or belly dancers and and they

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seduce their men into this uh,
into being sex slaves with their fair non

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moans. I mean, and plus
I love the time of Green Game.

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I just what it sounds like.
It's such a wonderfully fun planet to visit.

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So while you're getting hopped up on
the stink, I'm going to be

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in the holideck. If there's an
away, you know, while they're running

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the Twain program, maybe we get
a chance to see mister Pickard and his

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company put on a production of Midsummer
Night's Dream like we were promised in a

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time zero. Yeah, and it
would be interesting to just to see Shacks

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and a few of the other crew
members do their best Southern accents. The

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ones that did they was hilarious,
and it seems like there's there's a lot

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of opportunity there, all right,
listeners, Well, thanks for joining us

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this week. As always, hailing
frequencies are always open, so feel free

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to share your thoughts, your predictions
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As always, thanks for joining me. This has been a lot of fun

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I love doing this with you,
Thanks for having me, and we'll see

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everybody next week. Yep. If
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