Drawn Into Lower Decks: Recapping Twovix, and I Have No Bones, Yet I Must Flee

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Mariner Boindler Starfleet is better with you
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I thought you were like a boring
worker drone. If you are,

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it's sort of unfair. Hello everyone, and welcome to the first episode of

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Drawn Into Lower Decks, another limited
series from a film by podcast that focuses

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on the animated comedy Star Trek Lower
Decks. Each week, we'll get you

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ready for the newest episode of Star
Trek Lower Decks with an animated discussion about

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the latest not so epic mission of
the USS Serritos. So red alert listeners.

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Spoilers are ahead. If you haven't
seen the latest episode, please go

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watch it before you hear what we
have to say. Coming back for this

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series or your crew from another of
our limited series, Strange New Wednesdays at

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the Helm, I'm Scott Hoffin and
I'm Wayne Whited. Wayne, thanks for

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coming back for another trek with us. We'll also be enjoy by Yeah,

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it's happy to have you back.
Well. We'll also be joined by David

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Burns, who's working on a secret
away mission, so we're looking forward to

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hearing from him whatever section thirty one
allows. Yeah, he's on surely even

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rise, so we know that's the
truth. I I mean he's getting the

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idol, He's going the whole nine
yards. Wayne. Before we get into

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the season, what's one of your
favorite things about Lower Decks and what it

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brings to the Star Trek universe.
It is a gold mine for Easter eggs.

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It connects everything, including the most
obscure mentions of Star Trek. It

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has brought in every series, every
mentioned, even even the animated series from

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back in the steventies is mentioned,
and there's a lot of callbacks to that

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with this series. Plus, the
characters are just fun. The episodes are

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fun. They're they're they're funny.
I mean there's never been a funny Star

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Trek before. And I love this. Yeah, I mean it does a

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great job of doing that really seamlessly. I mean it's not just kind of

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a dump of Easter eggs and kind
of nerd joy. It's it's full of

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so many things that kind of pull
a connected thread together of a story.

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I love the fact that it's a
comedy that's made precisely for the season viewer,

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with brilliant deep cuts, like you
said, but it's also fresh enough

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that new fans can catch up without
missing a beat. And this season's episode

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a certainly no exception. I mean, right out of the gate, we're

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pulled into the world of Star Trek
Voyager with two vics, right, yeah,

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and that's fantastic. Voyager is a
fantastic series. I know Star Trek

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fans are split in between with this
series, but I love Star Trek Voyager.

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I followed it from beginning to end, and this is a love letter

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to that series and all its fans. I mean, that's the best way

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to put it. All the mentions, everything about it is just perfect.

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Absolutely yeah. I mean you can
see the joy on mariners face when she

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realizes what the mission is. She's
like, we're getting a Voyager, and

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then you know what you're in for. So in this episode, just to

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kind of recap, the crito's crew
escorts Voyager to its final destination as a

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museum piece. That's a high profile
mission. That's also a maker break moment

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for most of our lower debt crew, who will get promoted to lieutenant junior

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grade as long as nothing goes wrong. But it's a Voyager episode, so

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things go real crazy, real quickly, which is common for Voyager. Yeah.

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Absolutely, I had I forgot how
crazy Voyager gotten until they mentioned all

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the things on here, What were
some of your favorite moments from two bish

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Well, seeing the Voyager again it
was probably my favorite thing about it.

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Everything was perfect about it. They
recreated Voyager in every detail it's from from

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the ship and it's unique way of
going to warp. The sets were exactly

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as I remember, the costumes,
the props, all the way down to

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Jerry Goldsmith's theme. This was this
was Voyager. It was it was It

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was perfection. Yeah, yeah,
I mean what struck me. So the

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heart of the episode is this controversial
cut from the Voyage series which I had

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never heard of. Actually, Voyager
honestly is one that you know. I

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watched Next Generation, End to End, Deep Space nine up to a certain

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point, and then with Voyager,
I tried and I dropped off. But

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as soon as I heard that this
was about a situation where Jane Way had

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to basically murder someone to solve a
problem, I immediately paused and went to

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look into that episode and it's it
was like, oh my god, this

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really happened. And I've done that
so often with this show, and that's

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part of what I love about it. Like, if you've never known these

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kind of things. It gives you
these moments to kind of pause and dip

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into something you've never seen before.
Yes, says This episode, which was

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called tu Vix and it aired during
the second season of Voyager, was one

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of the more popular episodes of the
series. It was also one of the

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more controversial. It split the Star
Trek Voyager fan base right down the middle

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as well. A lot of people
agreed with with what the writers did and

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what Janeway did with the character of
Tuvik's her decision, while others felt it

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was against the character of Jane Way
and against Starfleet Captain would would do.

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I actually lean more towards you know, she really didn't have any choice.

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We had these two characters, you
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she was saving Tuvak and Knelix.
Exam a choice you could have. I

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mean, you can't just you know, eliminate those characters from the series.

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But but I agree with the decision. But it's amazing that they brought this

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back because it is one of the
most talked about and controversial moments of the

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series. And I'm great, I'm
grateful that they actually not only brought it

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back and into the limelight, but
didn't quite say they're what their opinion was

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either that the solution that they had
at the end was perfect for it.

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Oh yeah, they leaned way far
into it. The kind of took the

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whole controversy and flipped it on its
head to this big comedic extreme with a

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giant hybrid ball. I mean,
what was what was his Twilets? Yes,

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Tilts, Yeah, Twilets eventually started
making a hybrid army of all the

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characters, just kind of mash them
up and then they're you know, ultimately

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kind of turned that into this giant
monstrosity of a hybrid ball and eventually found

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their way to to solve that.
It was brilliant. It made me want

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to go and watch the episode,
which I did immediately after seeing this.

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Let's talk about the deep cuts.
Lower decks never disappoints. When it comes

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to Easter Eggs, which we've talked
about. This series always is a great

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job of taking you back to your
favorite Trek moments while sparking more interest in

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those episodes that might be new to
you. So as far as Easter Eggs

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go, for this, obviously the
whole premise is a giant Easter Egg,

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but what were some of your other
favorite Easter eggs. Well, you know,

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there are so many of them.
I know I missed a few of

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them, but we'll start off with
one of the bigger ones that I noticed.

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Every year they change and make the
battle with the Board Cube during the

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title sequence bigger, and this being
the fourth year and their their merchandising showed

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the characters in Star Trek four form. They've included the whale probe from Star

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Trek for the Voyage home now the
battle, and they even have it complete

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with the sound effects. Makes me
curious as to what they're going to add

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next year. But that's one of
the big ones and that's what we'll see

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for the rest of the season.
But most many of voyagers most discussed episodes

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are referenced in this in this episode, from some of the best some of

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the worst, They've incorporated a lot
of the controversial elements into the storyline.

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We've already mentioned one of them with
the two vics, but it's also one

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of my least favorite episodes. I
love this show, but there are some

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some episodes that I don't like,
and one of the least my least favorite

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one is the one with the salamander
creatures, and of course they would have

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to have those two of them in
there, you know where, or Jane

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Way and Paris becomes salamanders and end
up mating and having children. And I

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laughed, I laughed really hard.
I hate that episode though. Yeah.

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Yeah, it's also mentioned in here
that they're taking your back to Earth to

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San Francisco put on display, and
that is that is perfect with the continuity

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because in the episode of Voyager and
Endgame, uh, the Jane Way that

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came from the Futures mentions that Voyager
is can be seen at the Presidio in

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San Francisco, which matches this.
And then of course we also learn that

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eventually Voyager would be brought to the
Starfleet Museum as we saw an end star

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Trek Picard, but that's that's later
in the time. We also the brill

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cheese Nelick's Cheese and a rough third
solution to the problem that is from the

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very first first season of the show, an episode Learning Curve. There was

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a season finale. I had to
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And of course we also got the
macro virus that's from an episode called mac

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mac Chism in the third season.
We've got we we had that's right,

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we got mentioned to the Pike thing. Just go back to our our these

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old science episodes that we did not
that long ago, and you can understand

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about that. And we've got the
we got the appearance of these characters Doctor

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Chaotica from Bride Chaotica, Michael Sullivan
from Fair and the clown from Thaw,

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which confused me. And I'm glad
they even mentioned it in the episode she

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or he wasn't an hologram. That
was that was some illusionary world that Jane

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Waite was thrown to. But and
Boimler mentioned it that he's not a hologram.

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I'm glad that that brought that up. Of course, then we got

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to the clarinet. I saw Harry's
clarinet, and then the end after the

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Klingon ship is destroyed. Now this
isn't much an Easter egg, It's just

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something I found humorous in the wreckage
of the Klingon Clingon Bird of Prey.

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There was a little barrel of blood
wine floating through space. That was a

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nice touch. Yeah, I've got
notes here, and I was kind of

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like waiting to say, like is
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Is that Is that the worst thing
he's gonna say? But yeah, I

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mean yeah, and then it became
this big solution to the to the to

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the entire predicament of the episode.
Yeah, I mean the Neelix Cheese,

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doctor Katika, the clowns. I
mean, this is all stuff that I've

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got to look into at least three
Voyager episodes to see what's going on.

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If you haven't dug into the original
two vis highly recommend it. It's a

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very interesting episode and gives you great
context for this. So let's talk about

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some pipworthy moments. For those who
don't know, and I'm assuming everybody does,

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but a pip is an indication of
rank that's earned as the characters grow,

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so when they're promoted, it appears
on their collars if you're in the

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next generation kind of world. So
as much as this series hits the comedic

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beats, it doesn't miss a chance
to build some character depth into our lower

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deckers. So, Wayne, which
character do you think stole the show in

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this week's episode? Well, you
know, I really had to think about

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this, and I went through all
the characters and had to try to decide

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who who stands out the most.
Who is brought out into the front and

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advances and be the USS Voyager.
I mean, it's the star this episode

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from where this is what we're wanting
to see. This is this great advances

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the story learn a lot about about
Voyager. It made me go back and

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look a few things because, uh, you know, I was curious about

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the timeline. For the first time
ever, we can actually pinpoint exactly when

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this episode happened from from the things
that were mentioned in this episode and because

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the two vics. The Voyager episode
happened in twenty three seventy two, this

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happens in twenty three eighty one,
which that makes nine years. Means it's

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been three years Voyager returned from the
Delta Quadrant and exactly twenty years since the

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third season of Star Trek card which
that you know, this places this and

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also places the events of its old
Are these the straight two World's episodes directly

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in this year at this point in
Star Trek's Timeline's interesting. I didn't even

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make that connection. That's fascinating.
I gotta look at down that a little

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bit more. Yeah, for me, I kind of leaned toward Mariner.

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I love the fact that the voice
actor behind her, Tony Newsome, is

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such a star trek Nerd, a
star trek aficionado like she's. You know,

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I've seen on some of the Paramount
specials talking about how much of an

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expert she is and how much love
she has for Track, and that's a

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family thing for her, that she's
so much more of a trek Nerd than

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she lets on. I mean early
in Lower Decks, like early seasons,

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it seems like she's just kind of
like scoffing at it and doesn't want to

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be there. But her just geeking
out of her voyager won me over.

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It's one of those moments that lets
you know that the actors, the writers,

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in the crew behind the series love
this as much as we do.

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And you can see that eastergg they're
pulling through and the way that they kind

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of weave it through is fantastic.
But I thought that Maritner's actions in this

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episode show how far she's come since
season one and how much she cares about

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her fellow Lower Deckers. It definitely
goes to a different place in the in

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the next episode when we'll get into
that a couple of minutes, but so

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before we wrap it up our discussion
about two vic let's get into the turbo

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lift and explore a bit. So
we see so much of the Siritos,

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from familiar territory like engineering, to
newer crews such as cetacean ops, which

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I've always thought was a great reference
to Star Trek four, the voyage Home

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that we covered in nineteen eighty six. But the fact that they have dolphins

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with their own deck is I think
it is absolutely brilliant. It's always been

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there, you know, It's it's
always been there, We've just never seen

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it. The time I learned that
there were dolphins on any of the starships

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was back in I believe it was
Nicking ninety one when the the production designer

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of Star Trek in Ectionation, brought
out a book with his designs and sketches

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for the Enterprise d and it included
a cetaceans ops and I always wanted to

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see it. It's great that we
finally have got to see it after all

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these years. But it's always been
there on these newer ships. That's fascinating.

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about all of them, but like
the Galaxy class, and I don't think

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it was unlike like the Defiant or
I'm sure Voyagers and have it. We

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would have at least heard something about
it. Those were smaller ships the larger

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ships, and I always see the
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larger ship. Maybe probably the Titan
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be interesting. So for this episode, which deck would you want to visit?

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I would spend time with Boler and
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over Voyager, their understanding of Voyager
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they solved the problem with with the
Neelix's cheese was was brilliant. They seem

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to to be great at their job
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it's going to be fantastic to spend
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Yeah. Absolutely, I mean,
especially with Rutherford. He's he's one of

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my favorite characters. I think for
me, I'd want to listen in on

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the medical deck as long as I
can stay, you know, safely away

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and not get sucked into the massive
hybrid ball. It'd just be interesting.

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Let's see more about the history of
Voyager, you know, I think like

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the macro virus and tu Vix and
just learn a little bit more about it

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from that angle, I don't know. All around, I think it was

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a fantastic episode and a great way
to start. Would you agree? Yes?

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I agree? I agree? And
what did you think about the ending?

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You have any theories about these mysterious
ship Part of me was thinking about

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the exocomp. What was the Exocomp's
name that came back? Something Hamper,

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peanut Hamper. Yeah, but I
don't think that's where they're gonna go.

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It feels like there's going to be
some kind of deep cut. We haven't

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seen it, and it's a massively
powerful ship for being really really small,

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right, Yeah, and watching this
I have some suspicions, but it wasn't

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really until the second episode that I
started to put things together. But I

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don't maybe way out of a wrong
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to tell you my theory on that. But because I may be completely in

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the wrong ball field with this,
all right, well, I can't wait

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to hear it. Well, listen, before we go any further, let's

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drop into Impulse for a short break, and when we get back, we'll

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talk about the second episode or a
two part premiere. Okay, well,

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we've got a special treat this week
that celebrates the return of Lower Decks on

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Star Trek Day with a double episode. So when let's talk about the other

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episode from our Steven season four premiere, I have no bones yet I must

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flee. So as a quick synopsis, this episode pretty much picks up pretty

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quickly from two vix by addressing the
question what about Rutherford as the only lower

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Decker that didn't get a promotion in
the last episode. We followed his pursuit

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of a pip while seeing how other
deckers adjust to their new roles. Most

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of all, we get to follow
Mariner on a mission to free some humans

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from a galactic menagerie. And you
really got to see the friendship between these

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four characters, especially with Rutherford.
I mean his reasons for not getting promoted.

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You know, he's had many chances
to and he didn't want to because

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he was afraid that he would be
split from Tindian and the others. It's

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really warming and we're really seeing growth
with these characters. We've seen it through

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all the series, but they are
very very close and now seeing them promoted,

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they're still lower decks. Lieutenant junior
grade is not very high up in

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the in the ranks of a starship, so they're still way down there.

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But we've seen some major growth with
these characters in this episode. Yeah,

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and that's one of the consistent things
that I love about this series. It

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doesn't just go into like this catalog
of goofs, which it probably could,

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but I don't think it would last
as long. Like it's a legitimate Star

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Trek series with you know, characters
that you get invested in, that you

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care about, that you see grow
into different roles and you know, maybe

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stakes that aren't as high as they
usually get on the rest of the series,

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but still you know steakes that are
significant nonetheless, and you know they

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they take their job as seriously as
they can when you're you know, emptying

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the holodeck waste and things like that. But uh, yeah, there's there's

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a lot of character growth I'd love
to see in here. What were some

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of your favorites most of the episode. This episode made me laugh all the

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way through it. I love the
menagerie, the moop, see the was

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fantastic. When when that it was
fantastic and it was so cute. Yet

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when we find out it's true nature. It was very, very terrifying,

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and I love the animation of it. I love the way everyone was It

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was just went crazy in the menagerie
when when the move went sucking the bones

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out of of everybody and them having
to run around. I love that.

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And I loved the scene with Boiler
when he gets the quarters between the holidack.

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What that has to be the worst. First of all, why would

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you put a quarters between two holidacks? But I mean, nobody wouldn't want

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that. I think you think that
they'd soundproof a little bit better, But

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I know what goes on in those
holidacks. I wouldn't want to be in

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a room where I could hear everything
to leave me, not at all.

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And you would think that the windows
next to the miscell would be automatically tinted,

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like there's nobody that's gonna want that
giant bright light the entire time they're

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in that does Oh yeah, that
was fantastic, didn't Didn't that remind you?

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Reminded me of an Old Sign Fell
episode where a Cramer was stuck with

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the roaster's chicken sign blowing in there. That that was the first thing I

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thought of. That was so funny. Yeah, I love that. No,

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you're right about the what do they
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I'll just call it the Nagerie because
yeah, I was calling it. It's

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one of those Uh it's like it's
full of pauseworthy moments, you know,

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like in The Guards season three and
they get into that you know, vault

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and they pass by all these things, You're like, oh God, I

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can't pause fast enough and get on
a magnifying glass. Just see all those

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kind of things. Going back to
the ending of two Vix, I like

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that we're continuing a theme where we
get at lowered I look at lower decks

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of other ships. So so far
we've see mcclingon and a Romulian ship,

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and we get this kind of boiler
mariner dynamic on those ships. Who do

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you think is going to be next? Are we going Cardassian? Yeah?

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Cardassian or for Ringy one of those
two would be the next one that gets

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blown out of the sky or blown
out space. I mean, so does

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that say anything about the trajectory that
this ship is on, that it went

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through Klingon and then Romulan. Well, you know, I'm trying to remember

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my star, my star charge was, but I do believe it's clingon Romulan

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and then Federation borders both of those. It could be making its way towards

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Earth. I don't know. I'm
I'm guessing there, but it could be

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interesting. We'll have to see where
that goes. So as far as other

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kinds of Easter eggs, what were
some of your favorites from this one?

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One of my favorite ones was actually
the Romulan ship. I love this because

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I remember seeing the sketch for this
ship back in nineteen eighty seven. It

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was created back even before the first
season. The next generation came out by

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Andrew Probert. He's the guy who
designed the Enterprise d It was the original

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sketches for the Ambulan Warbird. They
changed, they flipped it a little show.

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But this that which we saw on
this show here was the original design.

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Great. Just mid least that I
mentioned to the Ramons again from Star

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Trek Nemesis. We have yet to
see them again, but it's all part

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of them. We got am another
mentioned to them, and then the Ramson's

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and Shacks's workout outfits. Yes,
those are the same workout outfits that Beverly,

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Crusher and Troy were wearing in in
an episode called The Price. Yeah,

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I don't know seeing I had a
laugh. I see them wearing those

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those outfits were was hilarious. And
then the Boiler's action figures. He had

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a Spock from what looked like Star
Trek. Two, he had a data

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from First Contact, and I'm pretty
sure the other one was was Archer as

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he looked like in the Mirror Universe. He's definitely a Star Trek for him.

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Yeah, and then when we got
to the Menagerie, I did catch

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I know I missed a few of
the aliens on there, but I did

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catch that they they're in the Managerie
was a City Alpha eel that was from

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Star Trek to the eels that they
put in the ears. Of course,

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we saw a Koala that's from this
show. And then there's that that weird

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three headed snake globe monster that really
goes back when Q made his second appearance

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back in the first season of the
Next Generation in an episode called Hyde and

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que he first appeared as one of
these aliens and this is the first time

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we've seen it since that since nineteen
eighty seven. Yeah, and then in

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the quarter that was close to the
that was glowed red Boilers wearing a medusan

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visor that's the same type of vice
as the Spot Corps. And there is

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in truth no beauty. And then
I wish I knew the name of this

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this device. But the device with
the tubes and the lights has a name,

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or at least it didn't. It's
appeared in every series since. The

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next generation is appeared in multiple films. I remember seeing in a film way

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back in the eighties called Buccarou Banzie
it's finally finally got it's called the Tucker

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Tubes, which I'm I'm just guessing
with this that it's possibly could be named

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after Trip Tucker from from Enterprise,
the engineer from from Enterprise. So maybe

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I don't know Boiler's quarters when he
gets his second quarters, the one between

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the holidacks on his painting behind his
on the wall behind his bed is one

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of Data's paintings. Oh, I
didn't even notice that, And I that's

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brilliant, yes, And I think
that's it, although I do remember,

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I think in the right at the
end, when when they show the menagerie

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at the at the end and with
the humans, they're one of the alien

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races that is walking around. Are
those those weird fish like creatures that Fleetwood

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Mac played in the second second series? Oh generation, Yeah, the episode

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is called me yep, I was
exactly what to talk about it. Think

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that's it? Yeah, yeah,
I think my favorites, like you,

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you got all of them here on
my list. Given the callback to the

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Seinfeld episode with the Kenny Rogers roasters. But I love the fact that when

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they talk about the Tucker Tubes,
even Billips doesn't know what they do,

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He's like, I'm glad we increase
the efficiency. I mean, I have

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no idea what they're for, but
look at that they're more efficient. This

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is a It's such a great callback. I love that as far as pit

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worthy of moments. So which character
do you think stole the show in this

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week's episode. I'm pretty sure I
have a good idea for what you're gonna

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say, but well, I don't
know. I think the character the pressed

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me the most was Commander Ransom.
He's really grew. I mean, we

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mean, he's had a lot to
do in the first three seasons, but

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we really never saw much character growth
other than him being rather arrogant and exercising

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all the time. But we really
got to see a little bit more of

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his soft side and the way he's
treating Mariner. You know, he's determined

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to see her succeed. We've never
seen that side of him yet, And

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of all the characters, I think
he's had the most growth of this episode.

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Yeah, I mean their dynamic has
come so far from where they were

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on season one, Like it didn't
think they were gonna be able to stand

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each other long enough to stay on
the same ship, and you can see

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that there's still some tensions there.
There's still some kind of insecurity from Mariner,

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kind of thinking they're always going to
about to get her. But yeah,

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Jerry O'Connell does a great job with
Ransom. I love the fact that

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he's kind of bringing that character to
life and he's helping to break it forward

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so much more. He's doing a
great job, and I'll be I'll be

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looking forward to seeing a lot more
of what comes out with the two of

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them professionally and otherwise. My pick
is probably pretty obvious, but I think

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Rutherford more than earnest promotion. Like
you said before, we saw a lot

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of his character development in last season. I think that's the one where we

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found out where he got the cybernetic
implants kind of what led to that.

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And it was nice to get a
call back to all he's done for the

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crew, because when you think back, he's he saved the critos more than

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enough times. But like he said, like he said, he didn't want

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apart from the lower deckers. It's
nice to see how humble and loyal he

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is to his crew, which makes
me like him even more. And I'll

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be interested to see, you know, in his promoted role, if he

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has any kind of interaction with newer
ensigns, where that kind of goes and

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how much the lower deckers are able
to stay together. I love the resolution

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of Rutherford and Boimler sharing quarters and
then Boiler you know, sits up in

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his bunk and dense, the dense
the one above. Rutherford walks right in.

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He's like, oh, you can
just din the windows. That's are

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super easy. That was hilarious.
Yeah, why why wouldn't they just make

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that an automatic setting in the room, Like, don't ever do that?

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So I didn't even it didn't even
occur to me. Like whenever i'm you

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know, looking at the ships,
we always get these great panning shots.

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In next generation, in several other
places. But it didn't even occur to

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me that there are going to be
some windows that are facing themselves and a

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lot of rooms that are probably inconveniently
placed. Like you said, nobody wants

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to be between the holodecks. But
it's it's a great way to kind of,

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you know, bring the the ship, kind of the the design of

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the entire ship into more practical terms
and to kind of see where people are.

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Yeah, it's you never really think
about that, and you can.

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You look at the Enterprise D.
I mean all those those windows on the

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neck portion, which is the lower
decks, were staying for the Enterprise D.

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They are right up against that the
Buzzard Collectors, which is with those

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windows, those rooms would be exactly
what's happening with Boimler's room. They would

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be flooded with that red light.
You just I never thought about that before.

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We never got to really see much
of the lower decks and other than

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one episode in the Next Generation,
and I kind of feel sorry for him

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now. I wonder they'd want to
be promoted. Yeah, exactly. And

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there's one more thing that I want
to get back into theories on what that

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little ship is that massively destructive little
ship. Wayne, what are your thoughts

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on that? Well, you know, I may be completely off base.

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I mean, it may be totally
wrong. But the first thing that this

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reading me of when I saw it
was one of the agonizers that were used

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to torture people on the Enterprise from
the classic original series episode Mirror Mirror.

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They'd stick them on the bodies and
then they would zap the person when it

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turns and fire us onto the Klingon. And then the Romulan ship looks exactly

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like one of the agonizers, even
the little bits that stick out on the

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top sides of it. Like I
said it, maybe we're completely off but

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if we are going to be doing
a mere episode, a mere Universe episode,

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I think it's perfect for lower decks. Yeah, that would be very

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interesting to see. I like that
theory. We'll have to see it keep

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if it keeps coming back in future
episodes. I have a feeling they're probably

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gonna kind of unravel the mystery pretty
quickly. I have a feeling that might

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kind of do a couple more dips
into other lower decks, but I think

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they won't have much time to kind
of draw it out, so be interesting.

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To see what happens next. So
before we wrap up, let's get

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back to the Turbo Lift and explore
a little bit. Which deck would you

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want to visit on this week's episode? Oh gosh, well, not nothing

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on the Menagerie, because that's the
mopsie that was terrifying. I would not

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get that thing chasing after me,
you know, trying to eat my bones.

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No, No, I would.
I love to be in engineering.

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That engineering has always been a fun
place. I mean, whether it's the

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Enterprise d or Voyagers and the Cerritos
also looks like a fun place to work.

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It's just it's got a great atmosphere. It's right at the heart of

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the ship. You got you know, you've been able to work right third,

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and that's where I'd want to be, right there at the engineering.

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That's what I could see. Even
if you've asked me at any time,

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if you see me, even what
position, I would probably be an engineer.

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Yeah, I think at one point
I'm probably going to go to citation

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ops, just because the whole idea
of that sounds fascinating to be I think

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on this one, I'd probably take
a chance and I joined the command crew

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on the menagerie. As long as
I'm safely away from UPSI maybe kind of

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you know, up be levitated a
bit. I just want to explore more

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of that managine area, the SETI
eel. Like you said from Wrath of

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con there's probably a ton of other
things as long as it's at a safe

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distance, a lot of dangerous animals
and oh my god, there's always a

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bigger fish. So all right,
well, Wayne, thanks for talking with

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us listeners, thanks for joining us
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