Ernest Dickerson - Juice

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If we're talking about Juice in the
nineteen nineties, what exactly are we talking

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about respect and power? Jeff.
In that case, let's talk about a

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film by Ernest Dickerson, his nineteen
ninety two directorial debut, Juice. Hello

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everybody, I'm Jeff Johnson, I'm
David Burns, and this is a film

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by podcast Dave. I am so
happy to have you back. It's been

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a while, man, You've been
on the bridge of the enterprise and I

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have not had any chance to talk
to you. Yeah, it's been a

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little while. I felt neglected a
little bit here being on a film buy.

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But man, idiot is good to
be back. I am happy to

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have you back. And before we
get going, Dave, I'd be very

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happy to shout out one of our
listeners. I'm talking about Trev Lewis from

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the UK, Dave. If we
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fumbay podcast. Yeah, let's hear
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general love for film that appeals to
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I thought it was high time that
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is one of my favorite movie related
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keep up the great work. Wow, that's pretty impressive, thank you.

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Yeah? Yeah, I mean I
love I love when we get feedback like

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this from our listeners. Yeah.
And I reached out to Trev. I

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had because I was curious. I
was like, what what brought you to

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a film buy? And I guess
we have you to think for this Dave,

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because he said the first episode he
found was Jaws two, which he

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had actually searched for all right,
then he went to Piranha and he says

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he kept the ball rolling from there
and he actually listed as some of his

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favorite episodes Ghostbusters two, the fly
Mars Attacks, and the Frighteners. Nice,

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yeah, all good there, all
good picks. Yeah, we we

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had a lot of fun talking about
those. I gotta tell you, like,

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I kind of feel like maybe we
owe Trev one. Like Trev,

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if you are listening to this episode
and we hope you are hit us up,

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give us a director, tell or
a movie and uh and we'll be

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happy to put that on the roster. Absolutely would so. Dave Ernest Dickers's

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directorial debut Juice. This is one
that I'm guessing a lot of people might

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not have seen yet, even though
it's been around since nineteen ninety two.

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I was one of those. Jeff
Sadley, this is this the first time

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watching for you? This was my
first time watch for this spell. Okay,

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well before before you tell us,
we tell thet you tell our listeners

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what is Juice all about? Absolutely? In the ghettos of Harlem, you

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don't buy respect, you earn it. Four teens Raheem, q, Bishop

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and Steele are great friends. They
do everything together, including playing arcade games,

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avoiding cops, deciding to skip school, and a little thievery. But

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upon chance, they learned their friend
and getting killed while trying to rob a

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bar. Hew is doing his best
to become a DJ, but a few

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of his friends have other plans,
especially when Raheem brings a gun into the

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group and plan to rob a local
grocery store. Unfortunately, things take a

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horrific turn, and what change the
Law of these Friends Forever, very powerful

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movie. It is your thoughts,
your initial thoughts, Dave, So,

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going into this movie, I didn't
know what it was about. I didn't

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know the characters. I didn't know
who really was in it. I knew

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Tupac was in it. I really
you know, Omar Epps was in his

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very early days when he made this
film, obviously, so I didn't know

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much too much about it. But
when I started watching it, I immediately

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fell into how genuine these characters were. One of the things that I found

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very interesting about this is how the
film opens up with just pure innocence,

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right our characters are waking up start
a fresh new day. We get to

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see these families and how they interact
with each other, you know, in

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the morning as they're starting their day. By the time we get to the

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end of this film, we are
seeing a completely different end of the spectrum,

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a complete contrast from where we started. You know, even the scene

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with Bishop, how he interacts with
his father in the beginning, you know

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what you're talking about. I know
exactly what you're talking about, and how

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that completely flips by the end of
this movie. You know, these characters

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are like somebody that you would know
personally. These characters are so genuine man

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that it's what makes this film hit
so well. For me. I was

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completely surprised on how well this was
written, how well this was performed,

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and how well this was directed.
By the time we got to end of

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this movie, I was really impressed
with it, Jeff, I was hoping

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that you would be. And when
you talk about being impressed, when you

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say the name Omar Epps, are
you say too bogshakor a lot of a

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lot of their films come to mind
quickly, Oh yeah, they're they're they're

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great actors. But when you realize
how unbelievably young and untested these two these

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two men were, Oh yeah,
it blows my mind how great they are.

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They are They're just they're they're electrifying. Yep. In these two roles.

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Let's let's let's let's talk about Omar
EPs for a minute. He plays

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Q. He is a seventeen year
old senior in high school when he auditions

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for this and he learned how to
spin as a DJ for the movie.

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So all that stuff you see during
the mixtape Massacre DJ Competition is authentic.

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Yeah, that's him, and I
don't care who. I don't care who

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you are. That takes real skill. It takes real talent to do what

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those DJs can do. Yeah,
I mean he wanted to do a singing

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career, did he not? No, he was going to be a singer,

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I think, yeah, absolutely,
And I think he you know,

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or an acting career, I believe. But I think even his mother was

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kind of like against it at first. And I also so she realized how

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talented he was and then just let
him roll with it. But man,

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yeah, you cannot tell. He
looks like a seasoned veteran actor in this

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movie man, all of them.
Yeah. I when you watch him on

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the screen, he it's just amazing. He like, you got it right,

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Dave. He just seems so seasoned. He seems like he's been on

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film sets for years. Yeah.
And the fact that he isn't. It's

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it's unbelievable. Yeah, I mean, this is this whole cast. I

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mean, the chemistry between the four
friends, man, you believe it,

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right, I absolutely believe their chemistry. Tupac Shakor playing Bishop all right,

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so he's nineteen years old in this
movie and wasn't even thinking about being a

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movie star, right, this is
his this is his his feature film debut.

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Let's just for a second, let's
just talk about who was up for

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the role, so we understand who
he beats out for the role. Donald

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Fazen, we know from Clueless Scrubs
and those wonderful new T mobile commercials with

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Zach Graff. Uh Darryl Mitchell,
who I know you and I both love

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from Galaxy Quest. He played uh
played Tommy uh Treach from Naughty by Nature

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and money B from Digital Underground.
All of those guys are trying to get

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this role, and he happened,
and it just so happens that he he

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he's hanging out with money B.
He goes to the audition and says,

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hey, can I can I give
this a shot? And Dickerson is floored

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by his audition mm hmm. And
when you watch him in this movie again,

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you're thinking, man, this is
this is his first role and he's

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this good. It's it's again.
He feels like a season actor in this

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man. It's like it was like
pure magic on hitting in all the elements

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of this film. I swear it
was. It's perfect. There's a that

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that scene where there there he kind
of confronts Q at his locker, and

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he's kind of kind of playful about
like, yeah, you called me crazy

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before, but I am crazy,
Like he puts she puts chills on you,

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Like I truthfully believe like this this
kid is dangerous. There's so many

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scenes in this movie where it's like
that, you know, he just pops

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up out of nowhere and just the
you know, the emotions and the facial

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expressions that he brings to that role. You're right, you're just yikes.

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I mean when he confronts Steele,
you know what I'm talking about. Oh

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yeah, I know exactly what you're
talking about. You know, it's just

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like, oh my gosh, and
it just over the edge he goes,

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and he plays it so well.
It's it's still hard to believe thinking about

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how this is his first movie.
You know who didn't play it so well

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on the set was, uh was
Sean Puff? Daddy Combs? H did

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you hear about this? No?
What? Apparently P Diddy also one of

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the role of bishop, and he
lobbied so hard for the part and and

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tried his best. He actually ended
up getting banned from the set. Get

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out of Here, P Diddy,
Get out of here. Uh, I'll

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tell you you think he am about
Uh Tupaca must gets you know, almost

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gets himself banned because he actually gets
a little difficult. He goes full method

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and insists that all cast and crew
only call him Bishop. And wasn't there

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a little bit of a trouble between
him and Jermaine Hopkins, uh, who

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played Steel. Yeah, they got
into with each other. Rank prank gone

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wrong? I think, ye,
it's it's it's it's tough for sure.

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You know, you've got a bunch
of people with you know, reputations and

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just you know, different characteristics to
to bring them all together like that,

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and sometimes actors don't mesh very well, but you don't see that on screen

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at all. No rounding out the
foursome. You got Khalil Kine as Raheem

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and you know we just talked about
Jermaine Hopkins, he plays Steel. I

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mean, I know we're focused on
on omar Apps and Tupac Shakor, but

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on a whole I feel like this
group, like like you said, I

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believe these four friends. I believe
that they're you know what you know,

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the their interaction together. I buy
into it completely. Yeah, absolutely,

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you know when I look at these
four friends, which are all played greatly

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by the actors. When I look
at him, you know, you have

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different roles for these friends, and
the way I look at it, and

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you know, correct me if I'm
wrong, But you know, Raheem really

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plays the role of the leader,
you know, absolutely. You have Bishop,

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who really plays like the second man
in charge, but really wants to

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be the leader. Then you have
q of course, who is the one

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of the four who really has a
future for himself and is just there to

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hang out with them, but has
a goal in life to move on to

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be a DJ And of course you've
got good old Steele, who is really

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the innocent one. You know,
he's there to be that friend. He's

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there because you know, they accept
him for who he is and what he

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is, and he just goes along
with basically everything that they want to do.

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And that really rounds out these four
friends perfectly. And the actors that

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perform this do it so well throughout
this movie. They absolutely do. And

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I I totally see what you're saying. Rahiem is he absolutely calls the shots.

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He is in control. But you
can see Bishop is power hungry.

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He he doesn't like being put in, you know, put in his place,

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and and I you know, and
it's kind of like especially you know,

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we get it. We get a
couple We had a couple of moments

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like that where we see that that
interaction that we see that that power dynamic

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yep. And it's it's uh,
it's it's sad foreshadowing because because of what's

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gonna happen ultimately with this group of
friends, you you get that he's kind

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of like, and I hate to
use this analogy, but it's kind of

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like the star stream of this group. He is, you know, And

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I know, I don't want to
mix Transformers the Juice because use is such

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a serious film. Yeah, but
you know what I'm talking about. He's

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that he's that guy who you know, will do whatever the leader says,

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but really wants complete And you really
see that in the scene where he gets

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confronted by that group and at first
he's kind of really backing down a little

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bit. I mean, he's holding
his own a little bit, but he

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kinds of back down until he sees
his friends coming and he sees Raheem coming,

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and then he puffs his chest out
and starts putting up that fight because

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he knows he's about ready to be
protected by Raheem and his friends. Yeah,

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and the twist of that is that
happens later down the road when you

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know, you only have Q and
Steel coming and then they back away from

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it and then he has no choice
but to defend himself at that point.

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So yeah, you see that,
just that all of that just adding up

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with this character, Dave, that
the Puerto Rican group, the gang,

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that the gang that you're talking about, that that that is typically trouble for

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Bishop and his friends. Any chance
their dads were orphans, Hey maybe they

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very well? Me good me want
to talk to Apache about that? Yeah,

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no kidding. Yeah, But you
know, one of those scenes that

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are there's somebody in this movie that
I really like. But one of the

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scenes that I love is when we
really see the four friends together for the

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first time. And you know,
that's where you see really the roles of

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them. When Steele was talking about, you know, getting laid basically,

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and they were just making fun of
him and it's just playing along with what

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he had to say. I just
love the interaction between the four of them

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right there. Yeah, you know, they're they're there. It's like they're

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proud of him. But then they
start dogging the girl and like, right,

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doesn't she have like the mustache and
doesn't she come on? Yeah,

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that's yeah, you get You definitely
get the feeling that they've been friends from

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like elementary school. Right. Absolutely. Samuel Jackson a small role, plays

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a guy called Trip. Is this
just proof that you can basically Samuel Jackson

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can and maybe should be in every
single film that comes out, just playing

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anyone in the background. Yes,
he can play any role, anything,

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no matter how small it is.
He is very powerful in it, no

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matter what. Doesn't he barely interacts
with him, but he's always he's just

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in the background, like two or
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of Samuel Jackson. You're like,
I'm kind of I'm forgetting what what these

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kids are up to, because now
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saying, because he's having like this
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other guy, and I'm trying,
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that conversation with Bishop about trying to
blame everything on Q. Yeah, and

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then a little bit later when when
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walks up to Q and they have
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right, it's like it's like you
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say. Man, it's Samuel Jackson. We did we need, we need

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if if this movie needed anything and
needed we need a more trip? Yeah

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we did. What did you think
of a Queen? Latifa? As Roughhouse

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mc? Her introduction was awesome,
Jeff, wasn't it great when she came

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out that door with that with that
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And it's just yes, hysterical and
looking at cute, like, oh crap,

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what have I got myself into?
Oh? Yeah? It just it's

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hard to believe because she is such
a talented actress. Yeah, and where

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you know she's on a hit series. You know, she's at the Equalizer

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television show. She's been so many
great movies. This is nineteen ninety two,

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and and I didn't check to see
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It wouldn't surprise me if it was, because I'm not really sure if I've

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seen her anything else before this,
but her characters is legitimate it's authentic what

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she's doing. I totally believe that
she's she's putting together this show. She's

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the one that's that's uh, that's
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I love I love seeing her in
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they had all the DT's out there
when they were competing with against was I'm

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having that huge crowd and she was
just controlling everything, you totally believed who

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she was right there, without question, absolutely and you could see, uh,

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eagle eyed viewers are going to notice, especially if you were watching MTV

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in the nineteen nineties, during the
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raps is there. That's Ed Lover
and doctor Dre from Who's the Man That

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they were there. So yeah,
there's and there's some other notable hip hop

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stars. But we gotta move on, Dave. We'll tell you what.

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Let's take a quick break and when
we get back, we got to talk

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a little bit about the production of
this movie. Little background on the film.

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I'm good. We are back talking
about Ernest Dickerson's directorial debut, Juice

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David's written by Ernest Dickerson and Jerrar
Brown, yep, as a spec script

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all the way back in nineteen eighty
four. Crazy, right, because till

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ninety come out in ninety two,
Yeah, comes out? Yeah, written

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in eighty four. Well, I
mean he puts it on hold though,

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because he wants to focus on his
career as a cinematographer. But the movie

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itself is based on interviews that Dickerson
did with several of his friends, Yeah,

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as well as his personal experiences growing
up in Newark, New Jersey.

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And that's why it's so genuine and
so realistic because you believe that things are

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happening on screen. You believe these
characters because you can tell it came from

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true elements throughout what he had experienced
or who he interviewed experience. You can

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you can just see it, man, And that's why this movie is so

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good. Yeah, it's it's uh, it's got it's almost got like an

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autobiographical feel to it. It does, honestly. Yeah, here's what can't

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here's what I can't believe. When
it was initially optioned, the studio suggested

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turning it into a comedy. No
way. I'm glad. I don't know,

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but I hope they don't have a
job anymore. Yeah, thankfully Dickerson

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and uh Jar Brown took the rights
back to the script. So you know,

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if we had to wait, that's
fine. But you gotta wonder,

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like and uh and I know,
I know our friend Deaf Dave, who

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is a a an expert on nineteen
eighty four, the movies and the music

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of nineteen eight four. You gotta
wonder if this movie comes out in nineteen

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eighty four, who gets cast in
these roles? You know that that might

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be one for deaf Dave to answer
for us. But I don't think if

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it did come out eighty four,
I don't think we would have the powerful

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film once we got in nineteen ninety
two. I mean, could be I

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could be wrong, but I don't
think some of the things they can get

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away with in nineteen ninety two they
would not have been able to get with

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in nineteen eighty four. You're right, You're right. Yeah, you know

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we talked. We're talking about authenticity. This movie is shot on location in

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Harlem, yep. So it it
just feels it just feels real. It's

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that's another point I want to make
there too, Jeff. There's not a

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lot of them, but some movies
just do so much stuff on studios anymore,

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and you just don't get that tangible
feel to them anymore. Movies that

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are shot on location, like this
one and so many more, you know,

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older films that we always talk about, they just have that more realistic

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feel because they're filmed on location.
I wish more and more movies would do

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that. I know they're not cheap
to do it on location, which is

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why a lot of studios do the
studio thing. But man, you just

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get that genuine feel. I keep
using that word genuine, but this movie

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is just so genuine. That's why
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It's just it's even it's it's it's
the minor things, right like when

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Raheem is having a debate that quickly
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and you see you see Q just
standing there in the background. He

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is standing there kind of shivering because
you know, they're shooting this movie in

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the winter months, and and Omar
Epps is just he's just standing there trying

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to stay warm. So it just
you know, and you're like, man,

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he's you know, looking at him, he's definitely shivering. It's little

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things like that that I completely dig
I want to ask you about this.

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I would love to hear your take
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original for the film? Oh yeah
about the Yeah yeah, yeah, let's

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talk about Okay, so listeners.
In the original ending, Bishop, let's

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go okay, So let's set this
up, right, Dave. After the

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final conflict, right after the final
the rooftop fight on the rooftop, Bishop

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goes over the rooftop. Q catches
him, right and there's this moment where

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he's like, you know, don't
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everything he can, but ultimately he
can't hold on. He's not strong enough

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to hold on. Yep. Bishop
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ending, Bishop was the one that
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he would rather fall to his death
than go to jail. Yep. And

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this was kind of a reference if
you remember, like when they're hanging out

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at Steel's house and Steal's making them
some food. They're sitting there watching the

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movie White Heat from nineteen forty nine, that J Cagney movie. It's one

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of the greatest gangster movies of all
time, right of course, yeah,

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you know, made at my top
of the world and Bishop is loving this

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movie. I mean, he is
thrilled with this ending. And the whole

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idea was that Bishop. This was
Bishop's white heat moment that he was he

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was he was choosing. You know. He hears the police sirens in the

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background. He's I'm not going to
jail, and he lets go of Q's

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hand plummets to his death. Apparently
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and Paramount executives demanded that Dickerson change
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of I got aside with Dickerson on
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that's the better, the better I
do it for Bishop. What do you

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think? I agree he realizes where
he put himself because this is all his

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fault yep, and what what other
options do you have here? You know,

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he would not want to be rescued, in my opinion, So I'm

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with Dickerson on this one. I
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And I don't understand why I didn't
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I would have liked that ending a
whole lot better the whole sequence.

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Jeff, I know we're going to
talk about We're talking about the ending right

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now, but let's talk a little
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led up to that. Oh,
absolutely good for it. One of the

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coolest shots in this film is when
Bishop appears behind Q like Michael Myers out

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of the darkness. You know.
When that shot happened, I was like,

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oh my gosh, that has horror
written all over it. And I

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just love the directing style that he
had in this. But the whole fight

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Sequen's like when they fight and then
Q gets away and they're chasing one another,

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and then he goes to that party. He gets into the elevator and

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right before the elevator shuts, Bishop
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in and they're just staring at one
another. And then you're like, well,

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what's the bishop going to do here? There's too many people in here.

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Of course he's gonna still pull the
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I mean, let's let's let's face
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like we said Q has a future, but they're they're running scams. You

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know, they're hanging out the arcade, you know, they're hanging out trips

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place, and they're you know,
they get this this this terrible idea like

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let's let's rob the let's rob the
liquor store, right, and it just

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falls apart from that from that moment
on because Bishop shoots the Yeah, Bishop

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shoots the guy you know, behind
the counter. And then you know he

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made he didn't make a movie.
He did not make a move. But

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in that moment when he then then
he you know, when he kills Raheem.

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At that point you're like, whoa, whoa, this is this is

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your friend, Like what what are
you doing? Like Bishop goes off the

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rails because he we've seen him like
he again your Starscream reference. He's power

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hungry. He wants to be the
one calling the shots, and that that

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loaded gun in his hand is giving
him that power. He's yeah, he's

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getting the power. He's getting the
power so that he can get the respect

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he's getting. You know, he
wants it. He wants the juice.

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Yeah, because he he waves that
gun around like it's nothing. You know,

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I mean, he's these guys he's
he's grown up with and probably kindergarten

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man. He's waving it at them
and threatening them with it like it's nothing.

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It really went to his head and
went to his head fast, absolutely,

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even, like, I mean that's
Raheem's gun. Yeah, and he's

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like, I'm gonna hold on to
it. Why does he get to hold

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on it? He's like, because
I'm the one holding it is yeah,

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you know. Yeah. I my
Joe hit the floor cause, like I

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said, this was my first time
seeing this movie. So my Joe literally

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hit the floor when he shot and
killed Raheem. I'm like, are you

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kidding me? Did that just happen? And then what really broke my heart

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to Jeff is when he shot Steel
later on, I'm like, this dude

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is so innocent, man, why
are you threatening and going after him?

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I get it, the gun's gone
to his head and he's gone crazy.

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You know, he's tying up loose
sins. Yeah, he's trying to get

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himself exactly. Yeah, but it's
just that really broke my heart man,

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when he shot Steel. I know
we're she was more of the main character

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of this film, clearly, but
I really I was just drawn to Steel

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for some reason. I guess maybe
he had a lot a lot of lights

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that I have, you know personally
too, So I guess that's why I

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felt a lot more lost. I
mean, I know Steele didn't get killed,

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he was taken to the hospital and
stuff, but still, you know,

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it was it was rough to see
that scene. Yeah. Well still

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still is the heart of the group. He's the fun loving guy. Yeah,

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he's you kind of want to relate
to him. He's just he's he

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just want to have a good time
with his buddies, right, is it?

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Can we talk about the pivotal scene? Are you ready for that?

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Yeah, let's talk about it.
So, I think the pivotal scene for

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this one, for me is what
we've already kind of talked about. When

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he shoots the clerk. I didn't
think it was going to happen, you

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know, And when he goes and
shoots the poor guy in the head and

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the guy was pleading for his life. You know, he wasn't he wasn't

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doing anything wrong. He said,
you know, take the money. You

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know, I'm not gonna say anything, just go just go take the money.

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It just was such at a loss
there when you know, Bishop pulled

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the trigger there, and it wasn't
just for that. It was the loss

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of innocence. It was a loss
for his friendship with his friends because we

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knew that where that was going to
go. I didn't know he was going

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to kill him and hunt him down
like he did, but it just everything

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was shattered right there at that moment. And when you talk about a pivotal

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point, you talk about a plot
point or anything that drives the story into

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a different direction. Clearly that was
the point in this movie. That's not

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about It's not a bad option.
I'm gonna go with a different one.

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And I say this knowing that we
see Tupakshu Corp's Bishop on a full power

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trip. He's waving guns at people, he's chasing people, he's attempting to

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murder people as this spiral is out
of control. But the pivotal scene for

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me is Bishop consoling Raheem's mother after
the funeral. Oh yeah, I forgot

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about that scene. To me,
my god, that is Tupac Shakur doing

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his best work in this movie.
It's Bishop at his most dangerous. Because

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poor Q is sitting here, he's
at the wake for his best friend Raheem.

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He knows, he knows that Bishop
is the one that shot him.

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And everyone's like, why did this
happen? Please have no leads, And

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the last person you expect to see
show up is Bishop, and Bishop is

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there and when he walks up to
Raheem's mother in front of Q, and

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he's like, do you remember me? We were like brother you know,

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me and me and Raheem are like
brothers. And he puts his he put

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you know, he gives her that
hug, and while he's hugging her,

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00:29:06.559 --> 00:29:14.319
he's staring right at Q. Again
chills because I'm like this, this guy

407
00:29:14.440 --> 00:29:18.519
is scary. Like now we know
there's nothing that he won't seek to.

408
00:29:18.960 --> 00:29:22.359
You know, that is a spectacular
moment, Jeff, I did not think

409
00:29:22.359 --> 00:29:23.759
about that one. But he even
told her he was like a brother to

410
00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:30.480
me as as he was hugging her, and just you knowing that he's the

411
00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:34.359
one that is responsible for that death. And I wanted to bring up a

412
00:29:36.160 --> 00:29:41.400
story here about this scene because I
know stuff like this can happen. Okay,

413
00:29:41.880 --> 00:29:45.240
my hometown, this happened exactly the
same way. I want to say,

414
00:29:45.240 --> 00:29:51.240
a couple of years ago, one
of the guys here in my hometown

415
00:29:51.279 --> 00:29:52.839
and I don't want to say the
name because I don't want to give it

416
00:29:52.839 --> 00:29:55.920
away or anything like that, but
in the in my hometown, which is

417
00:29:55.960 --> 00:30:03.640
a small town, it a guy
disappeared, and about a week later they

418
00:30:03.759 --> 00:30:07.640
found his body out in the country
on the side of a road in a

419
00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:12.720
ditch. Well, just as Bishop
did this to his mother, so did

420
00:30:12.759 --> 00:30:18.279
the killer in my hometown. He
went to the mother to the family and

421
00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:19.240
said, oh my goodness, he
you know, he was like a brother

422
00:30:19.319 --> 00:30:22.359
to me. You know, I
will help you try. This is the

423
00:30:22.400 --> 00:30:25.880
when they didn't find him yet too, and he's like, I'm going to

424
00:30:25.920 --> 00:30:29.440
help you guys find him. And
he was actually in the party searching for

425
00:30:29.559 --> 00:30:36.279
this guy and then come to find
out he is responsible for killing his friend.

426
00:30:37.359 --> 00:30:40.440
Same scenario. So I know this
stuff is real. So I know

427
00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:45.359
when Dickinson wrote this story, it's
this stuff happens, man, Yeah,

428
00:30:45.400 --> 00:30:48.319
this is life. Yeah, and
it's it's crazy because you think that stuff

429
00:30:48.440 --> 00:30:52.160
is fictional. You think that this
is just made up by a writer.

430
00:30:52.559 --> 00:30:55.559
No way. I when I saw
when I saw that, and I'm glad

431
00:30:55.559 --> 00:30:56.359
you brought this up. I don't
know why I didn't go to it and

432
00:30:56.480 --> 00:31:00.480
gravitate to it because this really happened
to my hometown a couple of years ago.

433
00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:03.960
So yeah, it's real. Well, Dave, let's take one more

434
00:31:04.440 --> 00:31:07.799
break. And then we got to
talk about Ernest Dickerson. Oh, of

435
00:31:07.880 --> 00:31:15.720
course we do. Welcome back everybody. Jeff, what can you tell us

436
00:31:15.759 --> 00:31:23.119
in our listeners about Ernest Dickerson.
Ernest Roscoe Dickerson studied architecture at Howard University,

437
00:31:23.920 --> 00:31:29.079
but his love of movies compelled him
to head to New York City to

438
00:31:29.279 --> 00:31:33.640
enroll in the New York University's film
program at the Tish School of Arts.

439
00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:40.440
And Dave, I know you know
his his famous classmate. I do know

440
00:31:40.680 --> 00:31:42.799
his famous classmate. And I think
once we say the name, if nobody

441
00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:45.880
knows that you're gonna not, you're
gonna be surprised. And that, of

442
00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:52.759
course Spike Lee, Jeff, Spikey, of all the people that you're gonna

443
00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:56.880
meet and say, let's let's team
up, let's do some let's let's work

444
00:31:56.920 --> 00:32:00.720
together. Spike Lee is the the
that you meet. And he became the

445
00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:06.279
cinematographer for Spike Lee and a few
of his films, Got to Have It,

446
00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:10.240
School Days, Do the Right Thing, No Better, Blues, Jungle

447
00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:15.160
Fever, and let's not forget about
Malcolm x. Oh yeah, I mean

448
00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:22.920
the idea that he is involved with
so many of Spike Lee's best films.

449
00:32:23.799 --> 00:32:25.799
It's one of those things where you're
just like wow, because yeah, I

450
00:32:25.839 --> 00:32:30.960
think like the first time he's working
with Spike Lee. It was the We

451
00:32:30.160 --> 00:32:35.000
Cut Heads Yeah, short film that
they did in school. What I was

452
00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:37.079
gonna say to you, let's go
back to what you talked about of why

453
00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:39.599
he kind of put this script on
the back burner in nineteen eighty four is

454
00:32:39.680 --> 00:32:44.200
because, I mean, this is
another reason he was working with Spike Lee.

455
00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:46.920
He was a cinematographer, which was
his first love, obviously, and

456
00:32:47.720 --> 00:32:53.119
he knew I'm sure he knew where
he was going with his relationship with Spike,

457
00:32:53.160 --> 00:32:55.319
because you would not have wanted to
put that on the back burner,

458
00:32:55.440 --> 00:33:00.240
right, Not at all? No, not at all. I'llah. You

459
00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:05.680
mentioned, you know, you mentioned
several of the incredible films that he he

460
00:33:05.759 --> 00:33:09.480
worked with Spike on. I'd be
remiss if I didn't point out two of

461
00:33:09.559 --> 00:33:14.200
my favorites that he He didn't do
these with Spike Lee, obviously, but

462
00:33:14.599 --> 00:33:17.960
he was a cinematographer also for Crush
Groove in nineteen eighty five. Yeah,

463
00:33:19.599 --> 00:33:23.079
and Eddie Murphy, Eddie Murphy raw
that Robert Townson, Yeah, Robert Townson

464
00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:28.880
directed that one in eighty seven.
Yep. So guys, should some love

465
00:33:28.920 --> 00:33:30.079
to crush groove man? Yeah,
of course you do. But man,

466
00:33:30.119 --> 00:33:34.119
look at this work this guy has
already got before he does his director debut.

467
00:33:34.799 --> 00:33:38.880
Absolutely, you know, and think
about this. So he graduates and

468
00:33:39.079 --> 00:33:45.400
he's a cinematographer on a couple of
music videos for Bruce Springsteen and Miles Davis,

469
00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:50.400
and then he goes to work on
the first two seasons of George Romero's

470
00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:54.480
series Tales from the Dark Side.
Yep, remember how creepy that show was?

471
00:33:54.799 --> 00:33:59.359
I do? I loved that show. Yeah, I mean, did

472
00:33:59.400 --> 00:34:01.160
he not do Hailus in the Dark
Demon Night? He did? We're going

473
00:34:01.240 --> 00:34:06.000
to get to that. That's awesome. Love that one and a few more

474
00:34:06.039 --> 00:34:12.039
things about mister Dickerson. In nineteen
ninety, he became the first black man

475
00:34:12.159 --> 00:34:16.440
to become a member of the American
Society of Cinematographers. He's taught film classes

476
00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:23.039
at Howard University's School of Communications and
Dave his all time favorite film is John

477
00:34:23.119 --> 00:34:29.559
Houston's Moby Dick Good choice. Yeah, you want to talk about his filmography,

478
00:34:29.800 --> 00:34:34.159
Yeah, let's do it. Okay, So we've been talking about his

479
00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:40.960
debut with Juice two years later,
nineteen ninety four Surviving the Game. Oh

480
00:34:42.039 --> 00:34:44.960
yeah, this is one of those
you know, we've talked so I feel

481
00:34:44.960 --> 00:34:51.239
like we've talked so many times about
movies based off of the Most Dangerous Game,

482
00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:54.639
and I know we've referenced Surviving the
Game before, but you know,

483
00:34:54.880 --> 00:34:59.320
he's working with Tupac Shakor in Juice
and now two years later he's working with

484
00:34:59.559 --> 00:35:04.360
Iced Tea and surviving the Game.
Your thoughts on Surviving the Game. It's

485
00:35:04.400 --> 00:35:07.280
been a while since I've seen that
one. I remember really liking it.

486
00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:12.159
I did not see that in the
theater when that came out. This one,

487
00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:14.320
this one was for me. I
know, I didn't see it in

488
00:35:14.360 --> 00:35:16.039
the theater. This was I think
this was like a you know, I

489
00:35:16.119 --> 00:35:20.480
caught it on HBO or Cinemax something
like that. Yeah, I remember,

490
00:35:20.599 --> 00:35:24.599
like t is like a homeless man
who's hired as a survival guide. That's

491
00:35:24.679 --> 00:35:29.400
right, and you know obviously they're
there to hunt him, you know,

492
00:35:30.039 --> 00:35:34.800
Rutger Hower, Charles S. Dutton, Gary Busey, F Murray Abraham.

493
00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:38.719
It's it's an incredible cast. If
you haven't seen yeah, you know,

494
00:35:38.800 --> 00:35:40.519
I know you said, yeah,
it's been a Watson you've seen it.

495
00:35:40.599 --> 00:35:45.800
It's definitely one of those, like
I'm ready to go back and watch it

496
00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:49.239
again. Oh yeah, it's fantastic. Absolutely love that. It's one of

497
00:35:49.360 --> 00:35:52.719
you know, there's a lot of
these, and I mean we've seen Most

498
00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:55.239
Dangerous Game, Dave you even we've
even seen it in the original sixty six

499
00:35:55.280 --> 00:36:00.000
Star Trek and that's how that's how
far back this storyline goes. But I

500
00:36:00.199 --> 00:36:06.159
love what Ernest Dickerson does with it
in this movie. Yep. Now obviously

501
00:36:06.639 --> 00:36:13.159
you're you already mentioned this one might
might be my favorite Ernest Dickerson film.

502
00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:19.800
Talking about nineteen ninety five's Tales from
the Crypt presents Demon Knight. Yeah,

503
00:36:20.159 --> 00:36:23.519
great performance about Billy Zane in this
one. Love Billy Zaye Man, Yeah,

504
00:36:24.480 --> 00:36:27.960
I think was it. William Williams
Sadler I think was in this.

505
00:36:28.679 --> 00:36:35.679
Yeah. And Jada Minckott Smith,
Dick Miller, Dick Miller, you know,

506
00:36:35.880 --> 00:36:39.199
I know. Yeah, that's right. Uh C. H. Pounder,

507
00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:44.199
Thomas Hayden Church. This is just
one of those. This is one

508
00:36:44.199 --> 00:36:49.400
of those great movies that kind of
is like a mashup of multiple genres.

509
00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:53.119
If you listeners, if you haven't
seen Demon Knight, and I have to

510
00:36:53.119 --> 00:36:58.400
believe most of you have, but
if you haven't. Uh. Something that

511
00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:04.880
Ernest Dickerson said about Demon Knight,
and I'm quoting him here. I've always

512
00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:07.719
enjoyed films that did a bit of
genre blending, and I thought the story

513
00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:13.119
for Demon Knight did that perfectly.
It was the perfect storm of horror,

514
00:37:13.679 --> 00:37:17.119
humor, thrills, had some mystery
to it and a lot of emotion.

515
00:37:17.480 --> 00:37:22.079
So I immediately knew this was going
to be a very atypical horror movie to

516
00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:27.320
be involved with. Yeah, and
I believe the Blood of the Christ,

517
00:37:27.440 --> 00:37:30.920
wasn't it. Yeah? They Yeah, like the key that the collector.

518
00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:35.519
Billy z Ayin's the collector. He's
like this demon and the whole the whole

519
00:37:35.519 --> 00:37:37.599
idea is like the the you know, the mcguffin, if you will,

520
00:37:37.559 --> 00:37:43.159
is this key that kind of controls
the fate of the universe. He's filled

521
00:37:43.199 --> 00:37:45.559
with the Blood of Christ and that's
what kind of keeps the demons at bay.

522
00:37:46.519 --> 00:37:52.519
And then you've got like, you
know, William Sadler is playing I'm

523
00:37:52.519 --> 00:37:55.280
trying to remember his name, Uh, Breaker, I think is what the

524
00:37:55.360 --> 00:37:58.559
character's name was. But his you
know, he's kind of at the end

525
00:37:58.599 --> 00:38:00.800
of his rope and he's he's looking
for the the next chosen one. It

526
00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:07.039
just happens to be Jada Pinkett Smith, you know, to continue the fight

527
00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:14.880
against the demons. It is so
awesome, Absolutely is awesome. Now a

528
00:38:14.960 --> 00:38:19.679
year later he does he kind of
takes a foray into comedy. He does

529
00:38:19.719 --> 00:38:24.880
Bulletproof with Damon Wayans and and Adam
Sandler. Not a bomb by any means,

530
00:38:25.440 --> 00:38:30.360
but yeah, a little bit of
a misfire. Yeah, I think

531
00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:34.320
that. I think it's fair to
say. Yeah, I mean, comedy,

532
00:38:34.440 --> 00:38:37.639
comedy action. It's buddy cop action, you know, got that vibe

533
00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:39.920
to it. But I just it
just didn't hit as far as I'm concerned,

534
00:38:40.119 --> 00:38:44.320
I don't know, all right,
you agree with me, So I'm

535
00:38:44.360 --> 00:38:52.800
glad to see that. This is
where we start to see Dickerson fade just

536
00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:54.760
a little bit, and it bums
me out. I mean, and I'm

537
00:38:54.800 --> 00:39:00.280
talking about like on the big screen. Because yet he does a film called

538
00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:07.079
Ambush, which isn't too much of
a big hit, follows that up with

539
00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:10.320
Blind Faith in the same year.
That's a made for TV movie he does

540
00:39:10.400 --> 00:39:15.320
with Charles S. Dutton and Courtney
B. Vance. I would like to

541
00:39:15.320 --> 00:39:16.119
see it just based on that,
I think it was a I think it

542
00:39:16.199 --> 00:39:21.159
was a Showtime original movie. Maybe. Yeah. Two thousand and one,

543
00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:27.480
he's back on the big screen with
Snoop Dogg, this time Bones Bones.

544
00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:30.800
Yep, I haven't seen this one, Dave? Is it and I don't

545
00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:35.960
know? It's a horror film though, supernatural horror film with Snoop Dogg.

546
00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:39.840
Yep? Hell's wrong with this?
How come we I'm wrong with it?

547
00:39:40.559 --> 00:39:45.199
I guess so, I guess.
So listeners, let us know. You

548
00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:47.280
gotta email us, You got to
hit us up on social media and tell

549
00:39:47.360 --> 00:39:51.840
us if we've made a mistake by
not seeing Bones, because I kind of

550
00:39:51.880 --> 00:39:53.480
feel like we should go back and
see it, Dave. But you know,

551
00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:57.199
if the floodgates open and they're like, what's what's wrong with you?

552
00:39:57.280 --> 00:40:00.639
Guys? This is his best work? Well, well we'll we'll do a

553
00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:07.639
retraction, we'll do a we'll do
a follow up. Never Die Alone was

554
00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:15.519
the one he does with d m
X again. It's uh, I liked

555
00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:21.000
it, Yeah, I didn't love
it. Yes, him here, it's

556
00:40:21.119 --> 00:40:25.119
uh, well, who's that David
Arketta? Believe was in that one too,

557
00:40:25.199 --> 00:40:29.239
wasn't he? Yeah? Exactly our
kat Yeah that yeah. D m

558
00:40:29.440 --> 00:40:32.400
X like I I wanted to see. I love David Arquette, love his

559
00:40:32.480 --> 00:40:37.039
stuff, so I kind of was
into it for that. Obviously, this

560
00:40:37.159 --> 00:40:40.280
is the time, at disappointing time. DMX is blowing up on the music

561
00:40:40.360 --> 00:40:44.000
scene. His mus his music's awesome, and I was like, all right,

562
00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:45.559
let's let's see if he can let's
see if he can act. So

563
00:40:47.199 --> 00:40:52.320
I wasn't disappointed, but I just
wish. I wish it would have I

564
00:40:52.360 --> 00:40:53.280
wish it would have hit a little
bit harder. I guess. Yeah,

565
00:40:54.159 --> 00:40:59.000
then he does a ton of TV
again, Jeff like he loved television.

566
00:40:59.599 --> 00:41:01.159
Yeah, his television. I mean, okay, So we talked about his

567
00:41:01.239 --> 00:41:10.039
cinematography. We've talked about his film
his feature films. But man, I

568
00:41:10.119 --> 00:41:15.480
mean okay, because we'll be here
all night if I do this, you

569
00:41:15.559 --> 00:41:22.199
know, slowly. But let me
just run down a list of some of

570
00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:25.440
the biggest shows he's been a director
for, Okay, two thousand and three

571
00:41:25.480 --> 00:41:30.599
to two thousand and eight. He's
directing The Wire for HBO. He's done

572
00:41:30.679 --> 00:41:36.519
Third Watch, The L Word,
Criminal Minds, er CSI, Miami Heroes,

573
00:41:37.239 --> 00:41:43.320
Masters of Horror, Weeds, Dexter, Law and Order, Burn Notice,

574
00:41:43.400 --> 00:41:49.400
The Vampire Diaries, Stargate Universe,
The Walking Dead like from twenty ten

575
00:41:49.480 --> 00:41:52.360
for two from twenty ten to twenty
twelve, he's on The Walking Dead.

576
00:41:53.559 --> 00:41:59.719
He does Under the Dome, I
mean, The Perge House of Cards.

577
00:42:00.400 --> 00:42:07.559
Yeah, he's I mean, just
a prolific television director. Yeah, he's

578
00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:09.760
busy, don't get me wrong.
Oh yeah, yeah. Listen, we

579
00:42:09.800 --> 00:42:14.800
would love to see him back doing
work on the big screen, but he's

580
00:42:14.880 --> 00:42:19.840
booked. I mean, you know, this past year he's been on a

581
00:42:20.079 --> 00:42:22.760
Bosh legacy and right now he's working. He's done a couple episodes of a

582
00:42:22.840 --> 00:42:28.360
film, a show called The Irrational. I've not seen any of that.

583
00:42:29.920 --> 00:42:36.719
That one's it's new to me too, American crime drama on NBCA, So

584
00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:42.480
may have to check that one out. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, just

585
00:42:42.559 --> 00:42:46.239
an incredible career for this guy.
You know, we love to talk about

586
00:42:46.239 --> 00:42:51.440
what's next for the director or what
we'd like to see them do. Sadly,

587
00:42:51.599 --> 00:42:55.719
he does not have anything in pre
production, nothing in development, no

588
00:42:55.840 --> 00:43:01.159
big screen. So, Dave,
if you're picking his next project for him,

589
00:43:01.519 --> 00:43:06.599
if you're pitching something to Ernest Dickerson, what would you want to see

590
00:43:06.639 --> 00:43:13.760
him do? He's he's so good
at character driven stories. Let's bring that

591
00:43:13.920 --> 00:43:16.920
back. I want I want something
small, and I want it to be

592
00:43:17.320 --> 00:43:22.559
And since I kind of referenced a
John Carpenter style shot that he had in

593
00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:25.639
Juice with the with Bishop coming out
of the shadows like Michael Myers dead to

594
00:43:25.719 --> 00:43:30.599
Laurie Strude, I want to see
something horror because more I know he's done

595
00:43:30.639 --> 00:43:35.440
some horror stuff. I want to
see something more along a John Carpenter style

596
00:43:35.639 --> 00:43:38.559
film. John Carpenter could even produce
if he wants to. But I want

597
00:43:38.599 --> 00:43:43.400
to see something in like a small
town something in the style of like the

598
00:43:43.639 --> 00:43:46.840
Fog, where I'm not saying the
fog, I'm just saying a small time,

599
00:43:47.199 --> 00:43:53.239
small town kind of vibe that we
got going on. And obviously the

600
00:43:53.400 --> 00:43:59.880
movie is really driven by the characters
themselves because he's so good at character development.

601
00:44:00.440 --> 00:44:02.480
He's so good about giving you that
genuine feel and I keep using that

602
00:44:02.559 --> 00:44:07.280
word it ops up a lot because
he does it so well. He gives

603
00:44:07.320 --> 00:44:10.840
that realistic vibe to his characters that
I think he could pull that off,

604
00:44:12.039 --> 00:44:15.400
you know, kind of like a
Stephen King missed you know where you know,

605
00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:19.320
you got those characters who are stuck
in a grocery store with you know,

606
00:44:19.519 --> 00:44:23.320
the mist surrounding them, something small
like that, something contained, but

607
00:44:23.480 --> 00:44:27.639
you know, in the genre of
horror, that's what I would like to

608
00:44:27.639 --> 00:44:34.440
see him do. Sounds good.
What about you. I'm gonna throw something

609
00:44:34.519 --> 00:44:38.119
at you and I think you're gonna
love it because I'm also gonna throw an

610
00:44:38.159 --> 00:44:43.039
actor that I know you're a big
fan of that we are big fans of.

611
00:44:45.400 --> 00:44:50.280
I want to see Ernest Dickerson do
a modern version of White Heat.

612
00:44:51.079 --> 00:44:57.719
Oh, okay, and I wanted
to do it with Corey Hawkins. Okay,

613
00:44:58.440 --> 00:45:01.239
we love that guy. Yeah,
obviously, obviously he's he's he's incredible

614
00:45:01.280 --> 00:45:05.480
and uh, straight out of Compton. But you and I you know last

615
00:45:05.559 --> 00:45:08.199
year the Last Voyage of the Demeter, Yeah, Corey Hawk. Yeah.

616
00:45:08.760 --> 00:45:14.119
I want to see Corey Hawkins in
the James Cagney role. Yeah. I

617
00:45:14.239 --> 00:45:19.280
want Angela Bassett to play the mother
Okay, okay, and the undercover cop

618
00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:24.880
yeah, Lakeith Stanfield. Oh,
and we can change it all right.

619
00:45:24.960 --> 00:45:29.199
Let me let me ask you this, keep the original title White Heat or

620
00:45:29.280 --> 00:45:35.079
do we change the title to Top
of the World. Oh, I'm going

621
00:45:35.119 --> 00:45:37.039
with a title change. Are you
going to title change? I'm going title

622
00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:43.480
change Top of the world. Hmm, all right, let's do it.

623
00:45:43.599 --> 00:45:46.159
I like it, man, that's
a that's a good choice. Ernest Dickerson,

624
00:45:46.199 --> 00:45:50.440
he's on Instagram. I you know, I'm gonna reach out to him

625
00:45:50.480 --> 00:45:52.199
to say, hey, can we
how about this? Can we do this?

626
00:45:53.880 --> 00:45:57.000
You know what us? I would
like to see him do that.

627
00:45:57.320 --> 00:46:00.199
I would like to see him team
up with Jordan Peel. Oh my god,

628
00:46:00.760 --> 00:46:06.039
can you imagine what we could get
if those two would team up?

629
00:46:07.639 --> 00:46:12.280
Man? Okay, so you're talking
more like a like an anthology film.

630
00:46:12.360 --> 00:46:15.360
Yeah, yeah, let's let's he
he We know he did Tales from the

631
00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:20.760
Dark Side, we know he did
Tails from the Crypt, So let's have

632
00:46:20.920 --> 00:46:23.880
him and Jordan. He'll join up
for something along those lines, or you

633
00:46:23.920 --> 00:46:29.559
know, something like creep show or
anything like that. I think that would

634
00:46:29.559 --> 00:46:32.599
be so cool. Man, you
are blowing my mind about that idea.

635
00:46:32.760 --> 00:46:39.719
I would love that. Dave.
Let's let's wrap up here. Your recommendation

636
00:46:42.039 --> 00:46:45.400
or lack thereof for Juice? What
what do you think of If you've not

637
00:46:45.480 --> 00:46:47.960
seen this film, you should definitely
check it out. There's a lot of

638
00:46:49.000 --> 00:46:52.559
good cinematography in here, a lot
of great character development, great story that

639
00:46:52.679 --> 00:46:55.119
needs to be seen. So many
scenes. We could sit here and be

640
00:46:55.159 --> 00:46:59.880
talking about it for a long time, but definitely check it out. You're

641
00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:02.960
absolutely right. I think when you
look at films that examine black youth growing

642
00:47:04.039 --> 00:47:07.639
up in crime affected neighborhoods where the
danger is heightened by gang activity and police

643
00:47:07.679 --> 00:47:14.679
harassment, Singleton's Boys in the Hood
and The Hughes Brothers Minister Society will always

644
00:47:14.719 --> 00:47:17.920
be the first movies mentioned. But
Juice. Juice needs to be in the

645
00:47:17.960 --> 00:47:22.960
conversation. I completely agree. Yeah, if you've not seen it, you

646
00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:25.400
can currently stream this one on max
is that where you saw Dave? I

647
00:47:25.679 --> 00:47:30.159
Y sure is awesome for those of
you want in the Blu Ray, you

648
00:47:30.239 --> 00:47:36.360
know, because we love our physical
media. Dave, we do fantastic audio

649
00:47:36.440 --> 00:47:39.960
commentary on the Blu Ray. By
the way, I would love to listen

650
00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:43.840
to him talk about a movie.
I think that would be really interesting,

651
00:47:43.880 --> 00:47:45.280
especially to talk about this movie.
I need to check that out. Jeff,

652
00:47:45.800 --> 00:47:51.679
come on over, we'll watch it
again. All right, Listeners,

653
00:47:51.760 --> 00:47:55.320
what do you think of Tupac Shakor's
film debut and Juice? You can let

654
00:47:55.400 --> 00:48:00.280
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655
00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:04.800
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656
00:48:05.000 --> 00:48:10.519
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657
00:48:10.559 --> 00:48:15.320
across the pond, trav Lewis,
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658
00:48:15.400 --> 00:48:21.360
Podcast at gmail dot com with your
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659
00:48:21.599 --> 00:48:24.239
just read your response on the show
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660
00:48:24.400 --> 00:48:29.440
or maybe we'll do an episode,
right David mind, that's right,

661
00:48:29.519 --> 00:48:34.400
we'd love to do that. What's
a busy week? Uh, what's happening

662
00:48:34.400 --> 00:48:37.519
tomorrow? Well, Jeff and Terry, it is a really busy week for

663
00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:42.199
us. Tomorrow we're gonna be back
on the bridge of the Enterprise. That

664
00:48:42.360 --> 00:48:47.239
is right, Phasers set to stun
with my fellow host Scott Hoffman and Wayne

665
00:48:47.280 --> 00:48:52.880
Whited. We'll be talking about season
four of Star Trek the Next Generation,

666
00:48:52.039 --> 00:48:55.920
where we're gonna give you those top
ten episodes that you need to watch.

667
00:48:57.960 --> 00:49:01.159
These you guys are calling the star
Starter track. Yep, Man, they

668
00:49:01.239 --> 00:49:06.760
have been such a great source of
supplemental material for someone like me who has

669
00:49:07.480 --> 00:49:10.400
recently jumped into the world of the
Next Generation. Yeah, and I'm loving

670
00:49:10.440 --> 00:49:14.320
what you guys are doing, so
you guys to keep it up. We're

671
00:49:14.360 --> 00:49:15.039
going to keep it up. We're
going to keep it up. We have

672
00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:19.880
a lot of fun and Jeff,
the week doesn't stop there man. On

673
00:49:20.280 --> 00:49:27.360
Friday, a Film at forty five
returns for a forty fifth anniversary of Norma

674
00:49:27.480 --> 00:49:31.360
Ray. All right, that's right, you got you and Scott Hoppin.

675
00:49:31.400 --> 00:49:35.920
You and Scott Hoppin very busy this
week and I we have been. I

676
00:49:36.079 --> 00:49:37.800
like it well, but I know
when you, when you guys are busy,

677
00:49:37.960 --> 00:49:42.519
I'm less busy. So I'm I'm
as a fan of it, that's

678
00:49:42.639 --> 00:49:45.559
right. But you know, March
is a woman history mom. So you

679
00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:49.760
know what better way to start than
talking about Norma Ray? Right, I

680
00:49:49.800 --> 00:49:52.239
think it's a great way to start
the start the month off and next time

681
00:49:52.400 --> 00:49:59.159
on a film buy Mary kay Holmes
from my new favorite podcast, Share a

682
00:49:59.280 --> 00:50:05.239
Sandwich, will join us to discuss
a film by Lynn Ramsey, her twenty

683
00:50:05.440 --> 00:50:10.840
seventeen neo noir thriller You Were Never
Really Here? All right? Sounds good,

684
00:50:12.760 --> 00:50:17.199
Dave. It's always a pleasure,
uh seeing you across the table uh,

685
00:50:17.320 --> 00:50:22.440
and the discussing movies. So thank
you as always always man for great

686
00:50:22.440 --> 00:50:27.280
could be here, love it it
takes place and listeners, thanks for listening,

687
00:50:28.079 --> 00:50:30.000
talk the whole job. I'll go
with queens for queens to get the

688
00:50:30.480 --> 00:50:34.960
brook tickpony in my hand and they
never been took to go uptown and the

689
00:50:35.039 --> 00:50:37.079
proks and we'll be down to stroll
them on the al of for Leah Brown

690
00:50:37.119 --> 00:50:42.559
the time to Bill watches back up
that get smacked up? Do you want

691
00:50:42.559 --> 00:50:45.880
to bring us up? You want
to bring us back? Yeah, welcome

692
00:50:45.960 --> 00:50:51.000
back, Jeff. What do we
know about Eric Dickerson? Can you tell

693
00:50:51.079 --> 00:50:54.400
us give us some background? Sure, Eric Dickerson didn't he play for the

694
00:50:54.440 --> 00:51:01.000
Falcons? I don't know, hope, but were probably should talk about Ernest

695
00:51:01.159 --> 00:51:06.119
Dicker's story story. My brain,
my brain is like a hello, hello.

696
00:51:06.280 --> 00:51:07.880
Oh there there's the out take.
There's the outtake.