F. Gary Gray - Law Abiding Citizen

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Andrew, it's not what you know, it's what you can prove in court.

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It's frustratingly true and also bullshit.
All right, well, let's talk

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about a film by f Gary Gray, his two thousand and nine underrated thriller

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Law Abiding Citizen. Hello, everybody, I'm Jeff Johnson and I'm Andrew Blakeley,

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and welcome back to a film by
podcast. You know that line has

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been said by Denzel Washington and Training
Day, by Tom Cruise and a few

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good men, and by Jamie Fox
in Law Abiding Citizen. Who Who's who

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did it best? Who did it
best? Given those three, it's it'd

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be really hard not to say Denzel
just on name alone, but Training Day,

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come on, I love a few
good men and but and Jimmie Fox

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is a very talented actor, but
it's a Denzel in Training Day hands down.

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for the listeners that maybe are not
aware of law abiding citizen. You

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want to give us a quick synopsis
of what this one's all about. Yeah,

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absolutely. Clyde Shelton's family is brutally
murdered. The ones responsible are caught.

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However, because of improper procedure,
the da Nick Rice has only circumstantial

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evidence, so he decides to get
one of them to testify against the other.

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When Shelton learns of this, he
is not happy. Ten years later,

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the one who is convicted is being
executed, but something goes wrong.

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His execution goes awry and he suffers. They learned that someone tampered with the

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machine, and the other is found
dead, killed in a gruesome manner.

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Rice suspects Shelton, so he hasn't
picked up. At first, Shelton agrees

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to a plea agreement with Rice,
but changes his mind. It appears that

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Shelton is not done. It appears
he blames the whole system and is declaring

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war on it, going after everyone
involved with his family's case. So Rice

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has to stop him, but Shelton
is way ahead. Well read there Andrew

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so Jamie Fox as Nick Rice and
Gerard Butler as Clyde Shelton. Now initially

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these roles were reversed. Interesting.
I feel like this movie was wrong for

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Jamie Fox. He's an extremely talented
actor. So this isn't you know,

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knocking him or saying, you know, he wasn't up to it. I

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think that he's too cool for Nick
Rice, or at least the way he

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played it. He played it as
you know, the slick, badass like

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cool Jamie Fox. And I think
that sort of detracts because I think this

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movie had the potential to be sort
of like Silence of the Lambs style,

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like Cat and Mouse, like psychologically
toying with each other. And part of

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the reason that worked was because of
the you know, the humanity of Clary

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Starling. And Nick Rice just felt
way too cool to me. And I

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think that Jamie Fox test to work
to not be cool. He's just he's

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a cool guy, you know.
Oh Okay. So he wins the Oscar

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for Ray in two thousand and four, yep. In two thousand and five,

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he does Stealth and Jarhead Miami,
Vice and dream Girls. In two

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thousand and six, The Kingdom in
two thousand and seven, and then he's

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doing this and the Soloist with Robert
Downey Junior the same year, So he

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does have to work to not be
cool. You got something. I think

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you're onto something there. He and
again he's a very talented actor, Like

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several of those movies are great,
but several of them are also garbage.

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He's not great at picking roles.
Is I think that the one Knocko would

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again go against Jamie Fox? Now
depending on who you believe. It was

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his camp that said, hey,
what if Jamie's the lawyer and not the

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killer, because initially he's he's the
one that's you know, his family gets

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slaughtered and then he's the one playing
all the mind games in the cat and

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mouse stuff. Do you think that
was the right choice? Do you?

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I mean we talked about the roles
being reversed. Does this movie work more

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for you if Butler is the lawyer
and Jimmy Fox is Clyde Shelton? No?

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I think. I mean, they're
both very talented, but I think

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it works better with Butler has this
aggression I guess about him, like he's

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a you know, it worked so
well for him in three hundred you know,

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this is only I think that the
following year, like he's really good

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at playing that just that rage and
that violence, and he obviously keeps it

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a little more subdued in this movie, but I think that that works much

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better as as Clyde as the antagonist, I guess, for lack of a

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better word, in this movie than
it would have had the roles been reversed.

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I definitely believe the savagery that he
does in this film, and it

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is you know, you know,
you think roles like three hundred, he's

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meant for something like this, But
it's the tender side he has to show

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in this movie where I think he's
really doing something different. I mean,

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think about think about when Jamie Fox
explains the plea deal to him and he's

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just like, no, I was
I was the eyewitness. I saw it.

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I was there, you know,
yeah, I mean, your heart's

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breaking for the guy at that point, and this is what Yeah, And

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especially like when I first started watching
this, the opening scene is pretty horrific,

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and initially my reaction was like,
that might have been a bit too

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far. I think it maybe showed
a little too much of the horror of

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it. But then I think it
leads into that scene and it really cements

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his motivation and his character and the
pain. And I think he did a

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pretty decent job of that, better
than I. If I were a casting

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director and I needed that, I
wouldn't have thought Gerard Butler, No,

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I'll be honest. The home invasion
that takes place at the beginning of this

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movie is terrifying, and we have
to remember this was initially given an NC

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seventeen rating for the violence. I
think that scene is harder to watch because

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there's a lot of implied violence.
I mean, we the knife, like,

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it's not like the guy is just
brutally stabbing him. He just kind

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of slips it in like he's yeah, like yeah, I don't even know

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what to call that. But you
know, the the rape of his wife,

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we don't see it. It's but
we know that's about to happen.

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And then just taking the little girl
into the other room, and you know

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he has that Ah. Kids like
me, you're just you're terrified because we

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don't know. It's the shark and
Jaws. We don't see it. So

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it's a lot scarier, right,
Yeah, And I can see why if

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you know, depending on how they
edited that scene down. How this could

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have easily Gottenn NC seventeen rating,
but because it felt more like a scene

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out of something like hostile than it
did. You know, this this more

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psychological really to to just kick things
off. But then to your point,

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when he has that dramatic like sad
scene realizing what the DA has done or

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or what the lawyer has done,
it really does just break your heart for

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this guy. I mean, your
heart's already broken, and like this is

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the last little shreds being stopped on
when you when you see when they're out,

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when they're outside the court and Darby
does the handshake scene mm hmm with

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Jamie Fox, and you see that
weak shell of Butler watching from a distance,

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and it's like he's getting stabbed in
the gut all over again. Right,

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Yeah, Yeah, he's got he's
got a like a just in in

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everything. Like it's funny to watch
uh, Gerard Butler try to do like

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rom comms and stuff, because I
feel like just inherently he brings a lot

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of this like rage. It's like
even when he's just standing still, this

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like kind of inner rage to everything
he does. At least that's what I

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see the funny. The funny thing
about Butler so before before he's an actor,

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he actually went to law school in
Scotland. Interesting he graduated and was

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a trainee lawyer at a law firm
in Edinburgh, and one week before he

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qualifies as a lawyer, he's fired
at the age of twenty five. Yeah,

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now, not for incompetence. If
you do a little digging, you'll

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find that in his early twenties,
Jar Butler was a little bit of a

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wild card, like to have a
little too much fun, got himself in

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a little bit of trouble here and
there. I can see that. Yeah,

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But I think I think both these
characters, when you're talking about Nick

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Rice and Clyde Shelton, they're both
kind of living in a gray area throughout

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the film. You know, one
is a good person who slowly becomes bad,

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while the other is morally compromised and
slowly becomes a better person. I

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think, yeah, I think that
movies like this when done well, like

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neither character is all good or all
bad, and it makes you ask some

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questions, maybe answer some questions.
I wish it had gone a little harder

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in a couple of those categories,
but I will say and you know,

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this feels a little silly to say
on a podcast discussing this movie has a

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lot of like twists and turns and
reveals. So I recommend if you're listening

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this far and you haven't watched it, go do so before you listen,

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because you know, as they reveal
a lot of this stuff about his character,

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I was almost a little disappointed that
they revealed as much as they did

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about Clyde because I liked the gray
area he was in to start, and

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by the end of it it felt
a little bit less complex, almost Okay,

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they added the less I was like, oh, interesting. So you're

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saying, if Clyde, maybe he
doesn't have the background. You know,

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we got our spoiler warning, so
let's just jump rout. So you're saying,

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if Clyde doesn't have this shadowy background
working for the d O D and

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you know, I think I think
the CIA informant says, he's he's a

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he's a think tank guy. If
Clyde went you dead, you're dead,

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you know, And this guy's terroor
he's almost he's practically terrified of even giving

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this much information in an alleyway to
the DA right exactly, and I think

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that that took a thing that was
really morally nuanced and complex and kind of

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turned it into more of a cliche. And that was a bit of a

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letdown for me because you know,
again I I don't I think this movie,

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with a couple of tweaks, could
have had more of a like Hannibal

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Lecter type feel where it's like he's
always smarter than you, but not necessarily

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like you know, he's some superhuman
military hero that can destroy everything, you

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know what I mean. So if
you don't, so if you don't have

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the superhuman military hero background or a
cliche, is more of a Charles Bronson

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death wish vibe? Is that more
fitting for someone like Clyde Shelton a little

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bit? You know, it's been
ten years. I like the idea that

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you know, with enough time and
dedication in ten years, he could actually

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plan some stuff. Yeah, you
don't need the whole like traveling to other

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countries and buying properties and YadA,
YadA, YadA, Because for me,

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like that starts to get into procedural
cop shows and less psychological warfare between two

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people, which is like that that
was where this movie shined. Yeah,

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I think that, Yeah, like
they could. When they did it,

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they did it. Well. You
know, a character like Clyde, I

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think of him as as a great
example of vigilanti right, and granted he

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did take it too far. You
and I have had some some some wonderful

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conversations on the act of vigilantism.
Specifically, are differing opinions on Batman.

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Yeah, specific Well, you know, it's funny you mentioned Batman because like,

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think about like in this film Clyde, he dedicates ten years planning the

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same plotting it. I mean,
he's got the money, he's got the

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connections, he's got the intelligence,
he's got the physicality. He could be

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Batman, but he's he's a punisher
instead. Yeah, he's a punisher instead.

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And you know, I you know
where I'm at on that. I

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dig that. I you know,
this world needs boondock saints and punishers.

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Well, so it's funny because the
moral complexity of the movie, the part

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I'll tell you the moment it snapped
for me where I was like, all

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right, I don't like this anymore
was a great example is speaking of the

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Punisher, is the Punisher versus Daredevil
and season two of Daredevil? Yeah,

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what's right? What's wrong? Do
you take it too far? To take

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it far enough? That's that give
and take is great. But there's a

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certain point where j Amy Fox's character
Rice has found out like Clyde owns this

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building, this there's a secret behind
here and uh Cole meenie they're about to

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break in. Coleeni's character says to
him, like, what about his civil

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rights? And what seems like it's
meant to be some cool delivery of a

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line, he just goes, fuck
his civil rights and like, that's not

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You're the DA of a major city, dude, you can't that's not cool.

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Like oh, I was like,
yeah, no, that's awful.

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I don't like. I don't like
when you're playing in this gray base and

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then you make a scenario that's so
outlandish that even the good guys like fuck

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civil rights. Everybody, like,
that's not what do scumbadge deserve civil rights?

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Andrew everybody does. That's the point, ah Darby does not deserve civil

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rights. The killer, the guy
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guy that slaughters his family. As
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doesn't deserve anything but what he gets
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to that NC seventeen rating that scene, I was like, how much of

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this are they going to show?
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again. It felt like, all
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obviously they do a lot of cutting
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violence of it, but they talk
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favorite moments for jar Butler is that
scene the glee on his face when he

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pats Darby on the chest and he's
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Mine too. It's like he's going
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he goes, oh, oh,

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I got something I wanted. I
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and he wheels the mirror over and
yeah, you're right. It's like he

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just remembered a gift. It's it's
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to think I would be a much
better a person. But that opening scene,

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and you know, especially being a
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birth to my my own little girl. Uh yeah, I don't know.

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Andrew said it before you and I
you were a shadowy reflection. Could only

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take an inch to budge you.
You mentioned Cole Meanie. That guy is

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always a dick in pretty much everything
except for this movie. And he's Star

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Treks. Oh oh yeah, Star
Trek the next Generation. He is fantastic

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that But yeah, I like that
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we get you know, you mentioned
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here. The one that comes to
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were in this film because it's halfway
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Viola Davis is the mayor of Philadelphia. Yeah. Yeah, that caught me

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off guard too. I was not. I was like, yeah, oh,

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I love it. I mean,
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dies by explosion in a vehicle again
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in the with Bruce Willis Daman Walliams. I love that movie. We're gonna

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cover that one on our nineteen ninety
six series this year. James Buckley,

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I know you're listening right now,
and don't worry. It's coming. So

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Leslie Bibb. I like her character
Sarah. You know, Regina Hall plays

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missus Rice. We get some good
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Fkrie Gray knows how to draw a
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but yeah, if you look at
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good or bad because his movies are
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but he's always got a stellar cast. Let's talk a little bit about

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the background of this movie. Frank
Darabant was in the director's chair first,

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but left the production due to one
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He he had some of those with
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up F. Gary Gray. I
think, honestly, if Darabant was the

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director, we probably get the Blakely
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more of Silence of the Lambs type
atmosphere. Yeah. I mean, I've

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heard that Darabant can be kind of
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it's because he's got a very singular
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see that movie especially. One of
the thing that I've noticed is whenever there's

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the creative differences problem, whoever they
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on board somebody that's gonna sort of
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movie. At times, I don't
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to be, okay, And I
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I wouldn't have let that happen.
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have loved to see that. All
Right, we might add to the Alternate

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Universe video store and picking up a
copy for you. You talked about set

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pieces. So this is filmed on
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Hill Cemetery and Holmesburg Prison. I
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about this prison. Yeah, So, I don't know if you look this

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prison up, Andrew. This prison, nicknamed the Terror Dome, is now

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closed, but was famous for controversial
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projects which were tested on inmates.
Fuck yeah. It was also it was

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also known for several major riots and
the murders of several wardens. Wow.

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I mean esthetically, I you know, I was watching it, I was

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like, wow, this place is
it doesn't have the hallmarks of most prisons

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you see in movies. So I
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a real prison because it's it's got
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it, really claustrophobic, really unpleasant
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yeah, I did not know that
the grime and the dirt and the horror

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was real. And it was open
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were moving prisoners to one side so
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leaving so that the prisoners could go
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a like a chessboard moving pieces.
According to Gerard Butler, and he said,

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you know, he's you're you're trying, You're filming your scene, and

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like you just in your peripheral you
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all like, what are they doing
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like you know, biopic that's trying
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a wild choice for this style movie. I think so too. And you

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know, I know, we gotta
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But uh yeah, any any any
producers listening right now? Any any

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money, guys, I'm ready to
see the Terror Dome biopic on this prison.

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we we've we've mentioned the possible n
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scene in question, most notably was
the one involving the character being stabbed to

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death with the state bone when he's
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that that was violence. Yea.
If you happen to own this on DVD

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that scene, and it is just
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mean, it's it's it's graphically horrific. I'm kind of curious, you know.

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I'm not one for the overly bloody, gory horror, like that's not

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my style. But now at this
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that scene was pretty violent anyway,
Like when in the bed he is over

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basically warden, I need a shower, Yeah, I mean so I can't

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imagine how you up the ante.
There one thing you wouldn't expect in a

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movie like this. Uh, I
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of the music choices. Uh it's
that's the scene in question right before that

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that that inmate gets just slaughtered with
that Uh that that that state bone his

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iPod. So he's listening. They're
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I've always thought that song was cool. I've always you know, I

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dig it, But doing research on
this film is when I realized why it's

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such a great song for this this
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people pretending to be something that they're
not, and that's that's a specific nod

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to Clyde's motives. You know,
he acts weak when he's actually strong.

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He acts helpless when he's actually the
smartest guy in the room. Even specifically

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in that scene he acted friendly and
kind to cell mate, showing kindness to

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us something like. You know,
it's like Jamie Fox's character says, well

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what about the you know we want
they're talking about who's innocent who's not.

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He's like, well what about the
cell mat He's like, what are you

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kidding me. The inmate in this
prison was you're gonna say he's innocent,

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Noah, Andrew, Let's take a
let's take a quick break, and when

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we get back, we got to
talk about your choice for the pivotal scene

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in this film. We are back, Andrew, Let's talk about a pivotal

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scene in this movie. I'm not
talking about the climactic moment. I'm not

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talking about what you saw on the
trailer. I'm talking about a scene that

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you see it and you go,
you know what, this is gonna matter

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for this character, or for this
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movie. Do you have something like
that, something like that coming into mind

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for you? Yeah? For me, you know it. As I said,

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this movie takes a lot of twists
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all at once. But the one
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wash when they were doing a bail
hearing, which is probably about as boring

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as you can get in a movie. But Jamie Fox's character Rice is pleading

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with the judge to not grant him
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crimes, and YadA, YadA,
YadA, all the lawyers speak, and

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uh, Gerard Butler's character gives us
surprisingly decent speech. I mean, he's

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he's very well educated, and they
show that he has law books in his

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home, and so you know,
he says, you know, this is

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my first alleged offense. They have
no real evidence. It's circumstantial. I'm

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a law abiding citizen, which is
obviously you know the where they got the

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name of the film Love What to
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and the as the judge starts to
agree and he just says, he

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like, thank you for proving my
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They know I did, and you
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read out the bill. That turn
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because the first half of it was
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his motivations and his intentions and how
smart and how calculated he was and everything

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he said. I think it was
just it was a great scene, and

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I think it really was important for
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That scene, his performance there is
brilliant and explosive, and I remember the

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first time I watched this, I'm
sitting there knowing that whatever Gerard Butler says

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is going to convince the judge to
let him go. Yeah, So I'm

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like, I'm a step ahead,
but it's f Gary Gray that's two steps

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ahead. Because that happens, and
then Gerard Butler does this double take and

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make sure he stays in prison,
and you're just like, what what just

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happened? Like? And this is
before we know, like we've talked to

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the CIA informant, who's like,
he's where he wants to be at all

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times if he's and you just you
never saw that coming. Love. I

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love that twist. I love that
moment. I'll tell you I'm gonna go

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with one a little more, a
little more softer. I love the moment

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when Sarah confronts Nick about his decision
to make the plea deal and whether or

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not it was the right decision.
You know, is there more to what

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we do than just a high conviction
rate? And I think Fox plays that

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scene well with just the expression because
he doesn't answer her yep, but it's

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on his face. He he knows
he's made a mistake and if he could

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go back, he'd redo it,
right. Yeah, and that's my little

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scene. Yeah. And Leslie Bib
didn't have a whole lot of screen time

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in this movie, but she made
what she had work. Oh absolutely she

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did. Because the thing is,
we don't see a lot of her,

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but we see enough to care about
her. Yeah, and then that scene

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that you're talking about, it pretty
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I mean I say gruesome. It's
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way. But you know she's trying
to get out of the because she sees

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it coming. And then she looks
up and sees Jamie Fox. Immediately following

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that scene, I mean, it's
a gut punch because you know he's you

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can't help but think about what he's
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We've seen people die by car bomb

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in Hollywood for decades, right.
I think what makes her death more traumatic

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is the fact that she doesn't get
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the car and she knows, she's
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and she knows it's about to happen, and the look of pure terror

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on her face, you know,
as she looks at Jamie Fox and there's

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just not there's no time, and
he knows it. It's heart wrenching.

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And it's the first moment in the
movie where I'm like, I don't think

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because she's the first person that didn't
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mean, obviously you can get into
the the nuance of whether or not the

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judge deserved it or things like that, but that's the first time you're like,

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her. I'm not saying the judge
deserved a small explosive device in her cell

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phone that took her head off,
you know, but I read, you

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know, we read, we read
stories every day where a judge is very

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lenient with someone that they never should
have and you're like, you know,

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we don't wish harm on them,
but we also like we wish like,

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why why are they in their position? You know, they should be removed?

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so you know, maybe and this

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judge was a little you know,
like the the defense attorney, the judge,

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they're all like they're they they're degrees
of slimy. I think we could

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say, but Leslie Bibbs' character had
her whole had her whole life, her

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whole career. Every you know,
she's she's innocent in this film, and

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I hate that that she's punished.
Yeah, to use Clyde's terminology. Yeah,

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as the movie progressed, they take

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away some of the gray from Clyde's
motivations and his actions. And I liked

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playing in that space where it's like, Okay, I don't love it,

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but I kind of get it.
And at a certain point it crosses past

404
00:30:14.200 --> 00:30:15.880
that, and I think that that
really is the turning point where wait,

405
00:30:15.880 --> 00:30:18.319
when she blows up, it's like, Okay, no, he's just a

406
00:30:18.319 --> 00:30:22.559
straight up villain at this point.
He Yeah, that's that's that's his villain

407
00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:26.759
reveal. As far as I'm concerned, Well, i'll tell you what.

408
00:30:26.799 --> 00:30:30.720
This is not the first time that
we have talked about f Gary Gray.

409
00:30:32.240 --> 00:30:37.440
Brad and I covered his film The
Negotiator two thousand and eight with Samuel Jackson.

410
00:30:37.920 --> 00:30:40.640
That was such a great film.
You know you mentioned we talked about

411
00:30:40.640 --> 00:30:48.119
how Gray gets these amazing casts together. That is absolutely no exception, Andrew.

412
00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:52.079
I know I've said a lot about
this guy's filmography already. Please listeners,

413
00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:59.559
if you haven't heard our episode on
f Gary Gray the Negotiator, go

414
00:30:59.640 --> 00:31:03.319
back check that one out. You
will not be disappointed. Andrew. I

415
00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:07.039
don't think I'm gonna be disappointed by
your quick takes. I got his filmography

416
00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:10.680
here in front of me, so
I do want to hear good one.

417
00:31:10.680 --> 00:31:11.759
I just do it. Yeah,
he's a yeah because you mentioned before,

418
00:31:11.799 --> 00:31:15.119
like you, he's got some good
ones and maybe he's got some not some

419
00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:18.000
good ones he's missed once or twice. All right. Well, as a

420
00:31:18.039 --> 00:31:23.640
reminder, he did get his start
directing music videos. He has worked with

421
00:31:23.799 --> 00:31:29.480
Ice Cube, Tone Loke, Cypress
Hill, Mary J. Blige, Usher,

422
00:31:30.319 --> 00:31:34.240
Heavy D and the Boys, Coolio, Barry White, Actually, oh

423
00:31:36.039 --> 00:31:41.279
TLC, and Outcast, Doctor Dre
Queen Latifa. He has got just an

424
00:31:41.319 --> 00:31:48.400
all star resume when it comes to
music video talent. It's his feature film

425
00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:52.960
debut in nineteen ninety five that I'm
interested in hearing your take on talking about

426
00:31:53.279 --> 00:31:56.759
Friday. You know, I say
he's got hits and misses. This is

427
00:31:57.000 --> 00:32:01.240
clearly a hit. I mean,
Friday has to be absolute classic, but

428
00:32:01.359 --> 00:32:07.160
also tonally such a wild shift from
like that to movies like this and The

429
00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:12.480
Negotiator. But I mean, what
can be said about Friday It hasn't already

430
00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:15.640
been said. It's absolute classic.
Everybody loves it. If you don't love

431
00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:17.720
it, watch it again because I
think you missed it. Yeah, you

432
00:32:17.720 --> 00:32:22.559
missed something the first time. Yeah, it's it's iconic. It's it's one

433
00:32:22.599 --> 00:32:27.880
of those movies that speaks volumes about
nineties culture. Yeah, and you're right,

434
00:32:28.079 --> 00:32:30.799
Like someone starting off with something like
Friday, I would just assume,

435
00:32:30.799 --> 00:32:35.480
Okay, they're gonna be the next
great comedy director. Yeah. I would

436
00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:40.200
never see them doing intense work.
But he does. Because it's after Friday

437
00:32:40.799 --> 00:32:45.599
nineteen ninety six, he does a
film called Set It Off. Chapa never

438
00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:49.079
catch catch that one. I actually
have not seen that one. I added

439
00:32:49.079 --> 00:32:52.160
it to my list though, as
I was going through his filmography because his

440
00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:54.039
nineties work was great. I'm gonna
tell you right now, you will not

441
00:32:54.079 --> 00:33:00.799
be disappointed in this one. For
Inner City Women to Robert Bank in Los

442
00:33:00.799 --> 00:33:05.400
Angeles. But then they start turning
on each other and when we're talking about

443
00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:10.319
four women, Jada Pinkett Smith,
Queen Latifa, Vivica A. Fox,

444
00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:15.480
and Kimberly Elise. This is an
excellent cast. That's awesome. Yeah,

445
00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:20.319
excellent cast. Yeah, I'm glad
it's on your I'm glad it's on your

446
00:33:20.319 --> 00:33:23.079
watch list because I don't think you'll
be disappointed at all. Because this is

447
00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:28.400
where we see Eth Gary Gray,
the action director, the thriller director,

448
00:33:29.079 --> 00:33:32.359
come into play. He does a
couple of music videos for Whitney Houston and

449
00:33:32.440 --> 00:33:37.319
Babyface, and then it's nineteen ninety
eight when he does The Negotiator again.

450
00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:45.200
Check out our episode on the Negotiator
Andrew your take on the Negotiator. I

451
00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:49.119
mean, I love it. It's
again, you know, especially with cop

452
00:33:49.160 --> 00:33:52.279
movies and vigilante movies and that kind
of falls into that category as well.

453
00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:58.200
I love playing in that moral complexity
and the things unfolding slowly as the movie

454
00:33:58.200 --> 00:34:01.799
progresses. And you know, this
is before we all realized how creepy Kevin

455
00:34:01.839 --> 00:34:07.559
Spacey was. The relationship between him
and Samuel L. Jackson, and it

456
00:34:07.639 --> 00:34:14.599
is just they're both really intelligent,
they're both really strong, and they're both

457
00:34:14.599 --> 00:34:17.239
great actors. So it's a fantastic
movie. I love that one. Do

458
00:34:17.320 --> 00:34:21.519
you watch that? You have to
go to watch Shane. I don't care

459
00:34:21.519 --> 00:34:24.280
who you are. It's like,
all right, let me get let me

460
00:34:24.280 --> 00:34:29.079
get a copy of Shane. I
saw that movie like a dozen times before,

461
00:34:29.079 --> 00:34:30.960
the first time I ever watched Shane. So when I saw I was

462
00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:31.639
like, oh, okay, and
I get it now, I see now

463
00:34:31.679 --> 00:34:37.320
you get Yeah. He spends the
next couple years doing music videos. He's

464
00:34:37.360 --> 00:34:44.440
working with ice Cube, Babyface,
Cyperci, Outcast. You mentioned people that

465
00:34:44.480 --> 00:34:46.880
are creepy. R Kelly. He
does a video for R Kelly. But

466
00:34:46.920 --> 00:34:52.519
it's two thousand and three. He
comes back with Vin Diesel in a Man

467
00:34:52.599 --> 00:34:55.760
a Part. I saw this one
when it came out. I remembered thinking

468
00:34:55.760 --> 00:35:00.880
it was pretty good for a Vin
Diesel film. I didn't think, you

469
00:35:00.920 --> 00:35:02.239
know, I don't really remember much
about it. I don't recall it being

470
00:35:02.280 --> 00:35:06.239
particularly special, but I didn't hate
it at the time. No, it's

471
00:35:06.280 --> 00:35:09.559
I mean, Timothy Oliphant, Lorenz
Tate, you gotta you gotta like it.

472
00:35:10.079 --> 00:35:15.519
Yeah, it's it's the rare occasion
where Vin Diesel doesn't preach about family

473
00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:20.320
and well, he'll get around to
that later he will, he will,

474
00:35:20.320 --> 00:35:25.880
he definitely will. Also two thousand
and three, he gives us the Italian

475
00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:30.119
Job. Now there you go.
That's again. I didn't know. I

476
00:35:30.159 --> 00:35:35.000
did not realize he had directed this
this one when I was looking through this

477
00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:37.800
fimography surprised me because, I mean, I haven't seen this one and it's

478
00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:43.960
been a while, but I still
remember it. It's it's very great visuals,

479
00:35:44.119 --> 00:35:47.639
great cast, fast paced, it
is exciting. It's a great heist

480
00:35:47.679 --> 00:35:52.800
movie that the mini Cooper chase scene
is like, even if the rest of

481
00:35:52.840 --> 00:35:55.039
you forget the rest of the movie, you can't forget that that was such

482
00:35:55.079 --> 00:36:00.360
a cool thing. I'll tell you
little little plug here, you know,

483
00:36:01.400 --> 00:36:06.320
for for a different podcast. I
love. I happen to love The Rewatchables

484
00:36:06.559 --> 00:36:09.519
with Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan,
Sean Finnassy. I don't know if they've

485
00:36:09.519 --> 00:36:12.679
ever done The Italian Job, but
I would love to hear what those guys

486
00:36:13.159 --> 00:36:16.199
talk about, because I feel like
The Italian Job is one of those show

487
00:36:16.239 --> 00:36:21.199
one of those movies where I don't
care how how long it is into the

488
00:36:21.199 --> 00:36:23.840
movie or what channel it's on,
I will stop what I'm doing and I

489
00:36:23.880 --> 00:36:29.159
will start watching it. It will
it will take my attention from whatever I

490
00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:31.239
was doing, because it's it's one
of those movies like it's just you can

491
00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:35.239
jump in anywhere and you're like,
all right, I'm in, I'll stay,

492
00:36:35.239 --> 00:36:42.039
I'll hang with this. Yeah,
it's it's thread that needle so nice

493
00:36:42.079 --> 00:36:45.639
between. Like it's not a work
of art. It's not a masterpiece.

494
00:36:45.639 --> 00:36:49.559
It's not winning any Oscars, but
it's not like popcorn schlock that you're gonna

495
00:36:49.559 --> 00:36:52.960
forget about either. It's like,
no, it's it really split the uprights

496
00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:55.280
in a way that a lot of
movies try and fail to do. Yeah,

497
00:36:55.400 --> 00:37:00.480
a few more years of directing music
videos for some amazing talent, and

498
00:37:00.519 --> 00:37:06.519
then he's back in two thousand and
five with the follow up to Get Shorty,

499
00:37:06.800 --> 00:37:09.719
talking about the film called Be Cool. Yeah, this one was a

500
00:37:09.760 --> 00:37:15.719
miss for me. I remember being
so excited to see this one, and

501
00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:19.800
it's just there was no magic to
it whatsoever. It just was boring.

502
00:37:20.599 --> 00:37:22.320
Like there's stuff in it that's good, and there's scenes that aren't terrible,

503
00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:28.199
but overall it's if I hadn't watched
it, I would be fine. Yeah.

504
00:37:28.719 --> 00:37:31.320
When you think, okay, here's
a sequel to Get Shorty, Travolta's

505
00:37:31.360 --> 00:37:35.639
back. This time. We got
Uma Thurman, we got the Rock,

506
00:37:35.719 --> 00:37:40.480
we got Vince Vaughan, Andre three
thousand, Cedric the Entertainer, Steven Tyler.

507
00:37:40.519 --> 00:37:45.960
Of all people, you kind of
yeah, you kind of feel like,

508
00:37:45.079 --> 00:37:49.599
Okay, we're gonna get something special
here, you know, Harvick.

509
00:37:49.639 --> 00:37:52.880
I tell Danny de Vito, James
Woods are in this movie. And this

510
00:37:53.159 --> 00:37:58.440
was a bit of a miss.
I'll be honest. It surprised me,

511
00:37:58.599 --> 00:38:01.159
you know, because, yeah,
I think maybe I just I wanted to

512
00:38:01.199 --> 00:38:06.199
like it more. Maybe it was
like one situation where this is the expectation

513
00:38:06.320 --> 00:38:10.239
was just too high. Maybe so
maybe maybe we need to revisit, is

514
00:38:10.239 --> 00:38:14.199
what I'm wondering. I'm happy to
give it a fresh, you know,

515
00:38:14.239 --> 00:38:16.280
a fresh viewing with open eyes.
But yeah, I just I remember being

516
00:38:16.400 --> 00:38:19.679
very, very underwhelmed. And it
wasn't even like I hated it. It

517
00:38:19.719 --> 00:38:22.920
was just boring. I'm gonna I'm
going to give it that Brad Cozo second

518
00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:24.840
chance Sunday, one of these one
of these days. Give it a shot,

519
00:38:25.119 --> 00:38:29.840
give it a shot. We've been
talking about two thousand and nine's law

520
00:38:29.880 --> 00:38:34.719
abiding citizen. I do want to
talk about too, you know, it

521
00:38:34.719 --> 00:38:37.440
takes several years off, comes back, and he comes back strong in twenty

522
00:38:37.480 --> 00:38:44.480
fifteen with his film, his biopic
Straight out of Compton. Yeah, I

523
00:38:44.519 --> 00:38:47.280
mean, this is as far as
I'm concerned, Like this is what makes

524
00:38:47.480 --> 00:38:52.639
f Gary Gray a director worth really
discussing, Like this is his his home

525
00:38:52.719 --> 00:38:54.400
run. It's it's amazing. And
you know, we've talked a lot about

526
00:38:54.400 --> 00:38:58.280
all the music videos he's directed and
the people he's worked with, and this

527
00:38:58.400 --> 00:39:01.360
is a movie about them, and
he has a good relationship with them,

528
00:39:01.400 --> 00:39:07.360
and you know, all these other
movies, the cast was these all stars.

529
00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:09.440
You know, he's working with these
greats. In this he got a

530
00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:14.679
lot of unknowns, but they were
just he knocked every single one out of

531
00:39:14.679 --> 00:39:16.840
the park, a lot of them, you know, with their personal relationships

532
00:39:16.880 --> 00:39:22.000
with the source material. It was
just amazing. I loved it and it

533
00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:27.400
did for me a lot of what
Friday did in a very different way,

534
00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:29.800
which is to say, like I
saw Friday when I was pretty young.

535
00:39:30.360 --> 00:39:31.880
Yeah, young enough that I didn't
even get most of the jokes probably,

536
00:39:32.639 --> 00:39:37.639
but it was an introduction to like
black culture that I, a white kid

537
00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:40.239
in Ohio, just had no frame
of reference for. And I think that

538
00:39:40.360 --> 00:39:44.039
This did that as well, because
you know, I'm familiar with that music

539
00:39:44.079 --> 00:39:47.559
because I love that music, but
culturally like that was just another world for

540
00:39:47.679 --> 00:39:50.599
me. So to be able to
see it by people who care about it

541
00:39:50.599 --> 00:39:53.320
and love it and lived it,
it was just so cool. I'll tell

542
00:39:53.320 --> 00:40:00.840
you something I love about this film
is the performances. And I'm talking specifically

543
00:40:01.679 --> 00:40:07.719
about Osha Jackson. Yeah, who
is ice who is in fact ice Cube's

544
00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:10.960
son. He's playing ice Cube.
The whole time I'm watching this, I

545
00:40:12.280 --> 00:40:15.440
I just see ies, just see
Cube. I do not see anything else,

546
00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:17.960
anyone else. And Osha Jackson has
come a long way. He has

547
00:40:19.000 --> 00:40:24.199
become an outstanding actor as well.
Yeah, I remember when they cast that,

548
00:40:24.239 --> 00:40:27.960
because I remember like hearing about this
and hearing that they had cast him

549
00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:29.920
to play I was like, well, I mean, I guess that's kind

550
00:40:29.920 --> 00:40:31.199
of cool. He'll look like him
and you know, he knows him and

551
00:40:31.239 --> 00:40:35.639
stuff. But then watching him in
that, he's he's fantastic. And I

552
00:40:35.639 --> 00:40:38.639
mean, I like ice Cube.
I've never considered him a stellar actor.

553
00:40:39.360 --> 00:40:42.800
He's fun. He's in some good
movies that I very much like, but

554
00:40:42.800 --> 00:40:44.920
I've never been like, oh,
that's a that's a real actor. So

555
00:40:44.960 --> 00:40:46.920
to see his son have carry that
much weight and talent like I was,

556
00:40:47.039 --> 00:40:51.000
that was really cool. I'll tell
you, if you want to see him

557
00:40:51.360 --> 00:40:55.679
really do something awesome, watch a
Jar Butler movie called Den of Thieves,

558
00:40:58.039 --> 00:41:01.239
which is an excellent Uh. It's
almost like, if I'll say this,

559
00:41:02.360 --> 00:41:07.800
if you like heat, then by
default you're gonna like Tenneth Thieves. Okay,

560
00:41:07.880 --> 00:41:09.880
if you have, if you haven't, if you haven't seen it,

561
00:41:09.920 --> 00:41:14.800
you'll watch it and you'll understand what
I'm saying. He's not. He's not

562
00:41:14.840 --> 00:41:20.360
the only one, though. I'll
tell you one of the standout performances in

563
00:41:20.559 --> 00:41:24.400
last year's Last Woyage of the Demeter. Remember that that horror film about the

564
00:41:24.760 --> 00:41:28.719
Dracula's Uh. I didn't see it, but it looks cool. Oh,

565
00:41:28.719 --> 00:41:30.920
it's so good. I wish you
would have seen it. That it needed

566
00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:35.920
to be seen. I my prediction. It's I know. It didn't make

567
00:41:35.960 --> 00:41:37.199
a lot of money. It was
released at the wrong time. You can't

568
00:41:37.239 --> 00:41:40.639
put out a horror film about Dracula
in the summer. You just can't.

569
00:41:40.840 --> 00:41:45.760
Yeah, it was a wild choice. But uh. One of the leads

570
00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:52.400
in the film, man named Corey
Hawkins, is just stellar to watch and

571
00:41:52.440 --> 00:41:55.920
he you've seen him obviously because he
played doctor Dre in straight out Oh gotcha?

572
00:41:57.599 --> 00:42:00.679
So yeah, he was great too, And I mean, yeah,

573
00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:06.320
I think Dre is the one that
I've seen the most as himself, you

574
00:42:06.360 --> 00:42:07.639
know what i mean. Like,
yeah, he's obviously a very public figure

575
00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:14.400
now or I'm not very public.
He's pretty reserved, but I don't know,

576
00:42:14.440 --> 00:42:16.960
I really like I felt like that
was a young Dre. Yeah,

577
00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:22.400
it was such a good movie.
Speaking of is such good movies, Let's

578
00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:28.960
go to twenty seventeen. I think
it's the eighth in the franchise. I

579
00:42:28.960 --> 00:42:30.199
had to check, but I'm pretty
sure it's the eighth. It's the Fate.

580
00:42:31.239 --> 00:42:37.639
Yeah, it's f eight, like
it's eight. Yeah. Yeah.

581
00:42:37.679 --> 00:42:40.440
Again, it's so wild to go
from straight out of Compton to this.

582
00:42:40.679 --> 00:42:45.480
Just the weirdest career path for this
guy. Yeah. I mean he's working

583
00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:50.320
with Dwayne Johnson again. Yeah,
you know you got Jason Statham, which

584
00:42:50.719 --> 00:42:52.519
that the Hobbs and Shaw movie.
Look, I'm gonna, I'm gonna,

585
00:42:52.519 --> 00:42:57.679
I'm gonna come clean right now.
Do I own all the Fast and Furious

586
00:42:57.679 --> 00:43:01.400
movies? Yes? I have.
I have this collector's edition. It's actually

587
00:43:01.480 --> 00:43:06.559
it's actually a tire that holds all
the discs. It's so cool. You

588
00:43:06.559 --> 00:43:08.079
know, I'm a sucker for those
those types of box sets. But uh,

589
00:43:08.679 --> 00:43:14.000
I love the the uh, the
Hobbs and Shaw movie that they did

590
00:43:14.039 --> 00:43:17.119
in between. I actually have not
seen that one. You'd like it,

591
00:43:17.280 --> 00:43:22.880
you know, really lessen uh because
it seems like they made Idris Elba like

592
00:43:23.000 --> 00:43:28.079
a super soldier and that was just
I mean, it's it's a dumb popcorn

593
00:43:28.119 --> 00:43:30.000
movie. If you just want to
watch muscles up guys, you know,

594
00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:37.800
fight and blow things up and fight
smorts like watch Predator. Well, yeah,

595
00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:40.400
I'm not gonna you know, I'm
not gonna debate that that's that's not

596
00:43:40.440 --> 00:43:45.239
a bad choice either. But uh
yeah, the eighth Fast and Furious movie,

597
00:43:45.280 --> 00:43:47.239
this is the one where Dom kind
of goes rogue. I think he

598
00:43:47.320 --> 00:43:51.559
I think this if I remember right, this is the one where Charlie's throne

599
00:43:51.719 --> 00:43:54.840
is kind of controlling him, like
making him turn against his fam, his

600
00:43:54.840 --> 00:44:01.280
his friends and full jobs. And
yeah, I think there was like a

601
00:44:01.320 --> 00:44:05.360
pitch meeting at some point with the
Fast and the Furious franchise and they were

602
00:44:05.360 --> 00:44:07.760
like, I don't think it counts
as jumping the shark if you never come

603
00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:12.679
back down, like if you just
keep going up. You know, it's

604
00:44:13.960 --> 00:44:16.280
and I respect it, Like I'm
not knocking it at all. I you

605
00:44:16.280 --> 00:44:19.440
know, if I were a director
and somebody offered me one, I'd be

606
00:44:19.519 --> 00:44:21.760
like, hell, yeah, I'm
in for sure, Like, yeah,

607
00:44:21.800 --> 00:44:24.599
it seems like a fun playground to
play in. You know what if I

608
00:44:25.039 --> 00:44:32.440
yeah, they're fun. Just yeah, they're not going to win. Yeah,

609
00:44:31.960 --> 00:44:37.599
there's no Academy Awards being being given
for those, but they're fun movies

610
00:44:37.719 --> 00:44:39.960
or some of the movies. That's
the kind of movie that if they if

611
00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:43.719
they gave somebody in it a razzie, I feel like they would show up

612
00:44:43.760 --> 00:44:45.760
to accept it, you know what
I mean, with a big grin on

613
00:44:45.760 --> 00:44:51.960
their face. Yeah, speaking of
razzies, let's go to twenty nineteen talk

614
00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:57.400
about Men in Black International. Oh, that was a that was the real

615
00:44:57.440 --> 00:45:00.880
misstep. I think that he's done. Yeah, that's probably the bottom if

616
00:45:00.880 --> 00:45:04.960
I had to pick a low point, how though, I mean, by

617
00:45:05.039 --> 00:45:09.400
all accounts, this one should be
a home run because you've got you've got

618
00:45:09.440 --> 00:45:15.000
some big names from the MCU,
you know, Tessa Thompson, Chris Hemsworth,

619
00:45:15.760 --> 00:45:22.320
come on, and Jeannie how does
how does it miss? I mean,

620
00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:24.960
yeah, it's a proven franchise.
It's We've had three very successful men

621
00:45:25.000 --> 00:45:31.199
in black films. I don't know
what happened. I to be honest,

622
00:45:31.239 --> 00:45:35.519
I've watched it once. I was
drinking at the time. I didn't really

623
00:45:35.599 --> 00:45:37.840
and afterwards I was like, I'm
never really going to do this one again

624
00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:40.440
because like it was whatever. So
I don't really I can't sit here and

625
00:45:40.440 --> 00:45:44.199
put my finger on exactly what didn't
work about it. It just had no

626
00:45:45.360 --> 00:45:50.840
like real heart or character the way
that you know Will Smith and Tommy Lee

627
00:45:50.880 --> 00:45:54.000
Jones brought to it, and it
just it felt needless, like it would

628
00:45:54.039 --> 00:45:58.000
be fine if it was an episode
of a TV show, but not a

629
00:45:58.000 --> 00:46:05.280
standalone like franchise darting or franchise rebooting, you know peace. So it wasn't

630
00:46:05.360 --> 00:46:08.480
terrible, it wasn't, but it's
just it was needless for lack of Okay,

631
00:46:09.960 --> 00:46:15.880
let's talk about his most recent film. This one just came out talking

632
00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:24.760
about his Netflix original movie called Lift. This one stars Kevin Hart and I

633
00:46:24.800 --> 00:46:30.400
hope I'm probably gonna just do terrible
pronouncing this name, but I want to

634
00:46:30.440 --> 00:46:37.800
say, uh, Googu batar raw
playing female lead. Yeah, and I

635
00:46:37.800 --> 00:46:42.119
mean she's great talking. All his
casts are great, but she's fresh off

636
00:46:42.159 --> 00:46:45.079
of Loki, and I loved her
in that she wasn't Loki. Now I'm

637
00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:50.159
looking at I just pulled up her
her credits. Yeah, I remember her.

638
00:46:51.199 --> 00:46:53.519
Yeah, So this one comes out. It just came out January twelfth

639
00:46:53.519 --> 00:47:00.039
on Netflix, follows a master thief
and his Interpol agent ex girlfriend who team

640
00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:06.719
up to steal five hundred million in
gold bullion being transported on an A three

641
00:47:06.800 --> 00:47:12.719
eighty passenger flight. You got Vincent
Dinofrio, Sam Worthington, Billy Magison.

642
00:47:13.519 --> 00:47:15.800
Yeah, I love Billy Maguson.
I think he is super underrated, especially

643
00:47:15.800 --> 00:47:21.199
for his comedy. You know,
even movies that I've seen him in were

644
00:47:21.320 --> 00:47:25.039
the movie itself wasn't particularly like Stellar, like game Night. I love Game

645
00:47:25.119 --> 00:47:31.119
Night. He was Game Night.
He was one of the princes in Disney's

646
00:47:31.159 --> 00:47:37.920
like Live Action Into the Woods,
Okay, which you know, I can

647
00:47:37.000 --> 00:47:40.000
list all the reasons I did not
like their adaptation, but he was fantastic,

648
00:47:40.039 --> 00:47:44.280
and he and Chris Pine played prince
brothers that are just so over the

649
00:47:44.280 --> 00:47:49.119
top fantastic. So I'll probably give
this one a shot. I'm not the

650
00:47:49.119 --> 00:47:58.320
biggest Kevin Hart guy. Kevin Heart's
not the biggest Kevin Hart guy. I

651
00:47:58.320 --> 00:48:00.320
couldn't resist. Yeah, no,
I was had to be done. But

652
00:48:00.559 --> 00:48:02.679
yeah, yeah, it's f Gary
Gray. Like I said, even his

653
00:48:02.719 --> 00:48:06.960
bad stuff's usually at least entertaining.
And uh, I love a good heist

654
00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:09.599
movie. He's got that, he's
got that fate of the furious energy.

655
00:48:09.639 --> 00:48:13.119
He knows how to do it,
ridiculous, over the top, plain stunts.

656
00:48:13.199 --> 00:48:15.000
So he did an Italian job.
He knows how to do what.

657
00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:17.119
He knows how to do a heist. So exactly, let's give it a

658
00:48:17.159 --> 00:48:21.559
shot. Let's talk about more importantly, let's talk about what's next for f

659
00:48:21.599 --> 00:48:29.400
Gary Gray. He's had two projects
and one I'm interested in one I am

660
00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:32.719
breaking out. I can't wait to
see it. Okay, all right,

661
00:48:34.199 --> 00:48:39.280
So first off, he's in pre
production on a film called Muscle starring Vin

662
00:48:39.320 --> 00:48:43.920
Diesel. Okay, I love.
I would love to tell you what it's

663
00:48:43.960 --> 00:48:50.360
about, but all all information is
under wraps. You know. Basically,

664
00:48:50.320 --> 00:48:52.480
we've got a title, we've got
a we got an actor, and we

665
00:48:52.559 --> 00:48:57.719
got a director. Don't that's enough. That's enough for me to at least

666
00:48:57.760 --> 00:49:00.199
pay attention, you know, I'll
pay attention, but I hope you're gonna

667
00:49:00.199 --> 00:49:07.119
pay attention to this one because he's
also in development on a movie called Mask

668
00:49:08.280 --> 00:49:15.280
Mobile Armored Strike Command. I'm talking
about the nineteen eighty five cartoon where you

669
00:49:15.360 --> 00:49:20.320
had the good guy's Mask versus the
bad guy's Venom. Yeah. I would

670
00:49:20.320 --> 00:49:23.400
say that that feels like that was
made for you, Jeff. Like somebody

671
00:49:23.599 --> 00:49:25.880
was like, what what, what
does Jeff Johnson want to see? I

672
00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:30.519
feel like, let's let's dig through. Please. When you think about the

673
00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:36.760
fact that he is right at home
in a franchise as absurd as the Fast

674
00:49:36.760 --> 00:49:44.000
and Furious franchise, he could make
Mask very believable. And I'm super stoked

675
00:49:44.039 --> 00:49:50.199
about this because a while a while
ago, they did confirm that Mask the

676
00:49:50.760 --> 00:49:52.880
You know, those characters exist in
the world of G I. Joe.

677
00:49:52.920 --> 00:50:00.320
They're basically an offshoot of G I. Joe as Venom Venom. Venom was

678
00:50:00.719 --> 00:50:06.679
an offshoot of Cobra, so Mask
was created to combat that. More importantly,

679
00:50:06.719 --> 00:50:10.000
this film is aiming to be part
of a shared universe with G I.

680
00:50:10.079 --> 00:50:15.559
Joe, the Transformers, and micro
Knouts. I didn't know about micronts.

681
00:50:15.559 --> 00:50:19.559
I knew about the Transformers, g
I Joe Crossover because they tease that,

682
00:50:19.800 --> 00:50:21.800
and so as soon as you said
that, I was like, they're

683
00:50:21.840 --> 00:50:24.199
they're doing an art the Hasbro's going
for it. Hasbro's going for it,

684
00:50:24.280 --> 00:50:30.480
And I read that in my head
a most exploded eight year old Jeff is

685
00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:34.239
just freaking out. So I'm trying
to I'm trying to see here if they

686
00:50:34.239 --> 00:50:36.599
have a cast list for that one. I can't find anything. But like

687
00:50:36.599 --> 00:50:38.599
I said, he's nothing yet,
It's gonna be good. That's that's the

688
00:50:38.639 --> 00:50:42.760
guy knows how to put the cast
together. The cast is gonna be the

689
00:50:43.320 --> 00:50:45.840
vehicles, you know, because for
anyone that didn't grow up watching this cartoon,

690
00:50:45.840 --> 00:50:50.559
if anyone's never any for anyone that
never heard of MASK, the Mobile

691
00:50:50.639 --> 00:50:57.920
Armored Strike Command, the whole gimmick
was they drove vehicles that transformed into other

692
00:50:58.000 --> 00:51:05.280
vehicles. So like Matt Tracker like
his his uh. I want to say,

693
00:51:05.280 --> 00:51:07.719
it was like a trans am if
I remember right, I could be

694
00:51:07.760 --> 00:51:09.480
wrong, but it was either transam
or camarra, but it turned it.

695
00:51:09.480 --> 00:51:14.599
It basically transformed in like to a
jet. And they all wore these masks

696
00:51:15.440 --> 00:51:21.039
that kind of like, uh,
I don't want to say, gave them

697
00:51:21.039 --> 00:51:25.519
superpowers, but it gave them like
super intel and you know, I don't

698
00:51:25.519 --> 00:51:30.199
know, you know, this is
just gonna They're just gonna make them transformers

699
00:51:30.199 --> 00:51:32.800
but cars, right Like, That's
that's what Mask was. That's what we

700
00:51:32.840 --> 00:51:37.480
want, Okay, Mask Mask Basically
someone said, what if we took G

701
00:51:37.599 --> 00:51:44.679
I Joe and turned it into Transformers
and and someone said, no, We've

702
00:51:44.679 --> 00:51:47.559
already got that. Transformers fight to
the septicons and G I Joe fights cover

703
00:51:49.519 --> 00:51:51.000
Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no. One

704
00:51:51.039 --> 00:51:53.960
if these guys are fighting and they
just have cars and vehicles that turn into

705
00:51:53.960 --> 00:52:00.280
other cars vehicles, Okay, I'm
in. I'm still. Yeah, they're

706
00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:02.000
making this movie for you, Jeff. They are. They're making this one

707
00:52:02.119 --> 00:52:07.119
right for me. F Gary Gray, please make haste. I will say,

708
00:52:07.199 --> 00:52:12.519
like, I hope this one's coming
out soon. Andrew, let's talk

709
00:52:12.559 --> 00:52:17.400
final your final thoughts on Law Abiding
Citizen. Do you recommend this one?

710
00:52:17.639 --> 00:52:22.039
Yeah? I mean it's it's got
some fun twists and turns. I do.

711
00:52:22.519 --> 00:52:24.199
I don't think it's f. Gray
Gray's best work. And honestly,

712
00:52:24.320 --> 00:52:29.400
I think the biggest thing is I
think it could it had the right parts

713
00:52:29.440 --> 00:52:31.519
to be a truly great movie and
it settled with being a good movie,

714
00:52:32.800 --> 00:52:35.960
and so you know, I'll give
it a you know, a six out

715
00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:39.639
of ten. All right, Hey, that's I expected. I actually expect

716
00:52:39.639 --> 00:52:43.719
you to come in a little under
that. So this makes me happy because

717
00:52:44.320 --> 00:52:47.559
because I highly recommend this one if
you're gonna if you're gonna see it,

718
00:52:47.559 --> 00:52:52.519
if you're gonna have it the DVD, the Blue Ray. Always go physical

719
00:52:52.519 --> 00:52:57.039
media, but in this case,
there's some fun extras that include interviews with

720
00:52:57.159 --> 00:53:04.400
real prosecutors that kind of lay out
like the the felony murder rule and some

721
00:53:04.480 --> 00:53:06.800
of the other things where you're like, that would never happen in real life.

722
00:53:06.840 --> 00:53:08.719
Well, technically it does happen in
real life. And they got some

723
00:53:08.760 --> 00:53:13.880
cool moments with some prosecutors that kind
of break down the scene key scenes and

724
00:53:13.880 --> 00:53:17.639
explain why Jimmy Fox does what he
does or why he doesn't do what he

725
00:53:17.679 --> 00:53:22.280
doesn't do. It's also some some
cool behind the scenes material, some cool

726
00:53:22.360 --> 00:53:28.360
visual effects stuff. I strongly recommend
the the the DVD and or Blu Ray.

727
00:53:28.800 --> 00:53:30.880
Yeah, I would absolutely watch that. That sounds almost as interesting as

728
00:53:30.920 --> 00:53:35.440
the movie. I want to hear
about why why is the DA of Philadelphia

729
00:53:35.440 --> 00:53:39.400
interrogating this guy. Okay, you
know, lawyer? Where you where'd you

730
00:53:39.400 --> 00:53:44.480
see this one? Andrew? I
got it on Prime? Okay, streaming

731
00:53:44.519 --> 00:53:45.920
on Prime. Yeah, I wasn't. I wasn't quite willing to go all

732
00:53:45.960 --> 00:53:50.000
in on the DVD. Don't get
me wrong. I like my collection,

733
00:53:50.119 --> 00:53:52.199
but as I said, six out
of ten, you know what I mean?

734
00:53:54.519 --> 00:53:59.639
Well, listeners, what do you
think of law abiding citizen? Let

735
00:53:59.719 --> 00:54:04.599
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736
00:54:04.760 --> 00:54:08.199
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737
00:54:08.360 --> 00:54:13.079
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738
00:54:13.119 --> 00:54:17.800
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739
00:54:17.880 --> 00:54:22.719
may just read your response on the
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740
00:54:22.719 --> 00:54:29.440
a swag Andrew always a pleasure,
sir. I'm already looking forward to the

741
00:54:29.440 --> 00:54:32.840
next time we're discussing a movie.
Yeah, next time, let's not discuss

742
00:54:32.840 --> 00:54:36.360
one where the kid gets kidnapped killed
right out of the gate. I'm a

743
00:54:36.400 --> 00:54:40.000
new parent. This stuff kills me. Yeah, you know what my apologies

744
00:54:40.000 --> 00:54:44.960
I do think about that. I
just thought this is you know, we're

745
00:54:44.960 --> 00:54:49.039
talking good, conquering, evil,
righteous, prospering, the wicked, suffering

746
00:54:50.000 --> 00:54:54.840
to quote Clyde Shelton, and I
thought, who do I sometimes differ with

747
00:54:55.199 --> 00:55:02.679
an opinion when it comes to good
and evil and the moral compass of Vigilanti.

748
00:55:02.800 --> 00:55:06.199
So I was like, it's gotta
be Blakely. I love it.

749
00:55:06.199 --> 00:55:09.760
I'll always be here for that.
Thank you. Our new Star Trek theme

750
00:55:09.840 --> 00:55:15.360
series, Phasers Set to Stun,
has a few episodes out already. Wayne,

751
00:55:15.559 --> 00:55:20.079
David and Scott are continuing their conversation
about Star Trek the next generation and

752
00:55:20.280 --> 00:55:23.599
offering their picks for the top ten
episodes you don't want to miss each season.

753
00:55:25.159 --> 00:55:30.960
This Friday, our latest limited series, nineteen ninety six will return with

754
00:55:30.440 --> 00:55:35.800
our good friend Jason Colvin from the
Shirley You Can't Be Serious Podcast. It's

755
00:55:35.800 --> 00:55:38.320
always a fun time with Jason visits, and we've got plenty to say about

756
00:55:38.840 --> 00:55:45.400
the nutty Professor. And next time
on a Film Buy, we'll discuss Tupac

757
00:55:45.480 --> 00:55:53.280
Shakor's film debut in Ernest Dickerson's directorial
debut, a film called Juice. Thanks

758
00:55:53.280 --> 00:56:09.960
for listening to speaking, the guest
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