March 7, 2025

Gene Hackman: Our Top 10 Favorite Roles

Gene Hackman: Our Top 10 Favorite Roles
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Season 6A Film By...

On this special bonus episode, Jeff and Amber fondly look back on the legendary career of Gene Hackman, and celebrate his work with our Top 10 Favorite Roles.

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Gene Hackman played memorable bad guys, memorable good guys, and

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everything in between. Whether he was a detective, a senator,

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a reverend, or a humorous blind man, he had our

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attention because we knew we were watching a memorable performance.

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Join us as we discuss our top ten favorite film

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roles of legendary actor Gene Hackman. Hello, and welcome back.

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I'm Jeff Johnson, I'm Amber Lewis, and this is a

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film by Podcast Amber. This wasn't a planned episode, but

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we had several emails as well as a phone call

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from our good buddy Jason Colvin, requesting some kind of

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Gene Hackman episode. This came together very fast, and honestly,

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I'm very happy we're here today to talk about Gene Hackman. Yeah.

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I think we all kind of collectively have the same

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idea at the same time, like we have to honor

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this guy.

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Yeah. Well, Hey, I have to commend your bravery because

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you are truly working live without a net this morning

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because you know the subject, but I didn't give you

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an outline. I didn't prep you on the format, so

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I know you're hearing this for the first.

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Time, diving in like an upside down, Cruie.

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Well, I know you're you're hearing this for the first time.

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I know our listeners are, so let me share with

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you how this is going to go. So I reached

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out to our team here at a Film Buy, as

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well as several hosts in the entertainment podcast world and

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one of our listeners who happens to be a big

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fan of Geene Hackman, and I asked all of them

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to give me their top ten Gene Hackman performances and

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they did not disappoint Amber. Your list is fantastic, by

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the way.

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Oh thank you.

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It was kind of torturous to it, was it. It hard

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to make, it was hard to put in order.

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Yeah, Now, I mean this was merely days we're talking,

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so anyone that was in, anyone that was going to

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be wanting to participate, I only gave you a handful

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of days. And what amazed me was some people gave

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me a list like within five minutes, and some people

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gave me a list at the zero hour, like the

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last possible second. And on average, the lists I received

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shared seven and a half out of ten picks. So

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we're all, whether you went fast or slow, we all

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collectively almost came up with the same list. I think

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that's amazing.

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That's awesome.

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Well, starting with the tenth pick and working our way up,

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I'm going to give you Amber a few hints about

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the role that we're discussing and give you the opportunity

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to guess what it is. Is that fair?

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Okay? Yes?

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Right?

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And look, I know you're a little bit you're in

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the hot seat here, but let me build your confidence

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by letting you know that nine of your ten picks

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made this list. Wow, kind of why you got the assignment.

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I think I know the one that didn't make it,

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I'll tell you that.

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Okay. By the way, I asked our phasers set the

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Stun crew why I didn't get lists from him. They

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reminded me that Gene Hackman had never done any Star

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Trek roles.

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I think that's the only thing.

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Yeah, I did ask him if he had done so,

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would he have been a member of Starfleet, like an

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Allied alien life form or the villain? They all agreed

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he would have been an excellent captain.

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Oh yes, you know.

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I mean you're a Star Trek fan. Think about how

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easily you could take a movie like Crimson Tide and

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make it a start.

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Thinking that right when you said he could be a

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good captain, I was like, you know what you take

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Crimson Tide, you put it in space.

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Yeah. Like, Hackman is the captain who takes his ship

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into the neutral zone to fire photon torpedoes at the Romulans,

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but the communication is garbled, so his science officer, Denzel Washington,

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takes control of the ship to investigate and find out

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if they're actually at war with the Romulin Empire. I

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mean that totally works. Yep, yep, see, I know, I

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know Star Trek like se know. I mean, I know

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you're gonna be on Phaser set to Stun later this month, Yes,

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with a special episode. I'm just saying, like, I'm here, guys,

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pick me one. I went on, you know, I little

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something about Gene Hackman. While attending class at the Pasadena Playhouse,

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Jean and his fellow classmate who would eventually become his roommate,

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were voted least likely to succeed. Think about that for

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a second.

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I can't even.

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Least likely to succeed and he got kicked out after

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like three months. Amber, Can you give me the name

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of his classmate?

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Dustin Hoffman?

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You are correctmates. Yeah, they yeah, there's a there's a

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great Gene shared a great story where you know, he

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gets kicked out Dustin Hoffman stays on and after he graduates,

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he shows up in New York to Gene Hackman's apartment,

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you know, needed a place to crash for a few days.

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He's sleeping on the kitchen floor and Jean said, at

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one point he just didn't leave. You know, he's he's

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basically becoming what about Bob? And the Hackman had to

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take him apartment hunting just to get rid of him

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after a prologueda you know. And incidentally they both got

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their big breaks in nineteen sixty seven, Hackman with Bonnie

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and Clyde and Hoffman with a graduate. But it amazes

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me that the first time they were on screen together

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wasn't until two thousand and threes Runaway.

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Jerry, Right, Like, that's a long time for nothing to

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come up.

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Yeah, and they're so good in that film. I don't know,

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have you seen have you seen Runaway? Jerry?

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I saw it when it first came out because I,

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like everybody else, I was a huge John Grisham fan,

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and there for a while it was like read the

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book watch the movie, but I don't remember.

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It very well at all.

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I need That's one I need to add to my

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rewatch list. I think we're all rewatching Gene Hackman like

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frantically because all of a sudden they're available on Prime

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like for free.

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One of the great John Grisham adaptations. But definitely definitely

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put that on your list. Amber quick quote from Gene Hackman.

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He once said, I suppose I wanted to be an

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actor from the time I was about ten, maybe even

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younger than that. Recollections of early movies that I had

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seen and actors that I admired, like James Cagney, Errol Flynn,

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those type of romantic action guys. When I saw those actors,

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I felt I could do that. But I was in

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New York for about eight years before I had a job.

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I sold ladies shoes, polished leather furniture, drove a truck.

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I think that if you have it in you and

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you want it bad enough, you can do it. So

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any struggling actor out there that's made the big break yet,

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just there's mister Hackman.

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Yeah. For you, just keep plugging away, you.

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Know, you'd like to imagine all the amazing movie memorabilia

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that a star like him would have in their home.

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Gene once said, the only movie mementeau you'd find in

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his home is an Errol Flynn poster from the Adventures

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of Robin Hood.

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Oh wow, all.

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Right, Amber, if you're ready, I say, let's get to

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the top ten. Oh boy, okay, all right, our first

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one coming in at number ten. And uh, Amber, you're

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the voice of reason, but I would reason with you.

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If you know the answer, don't jump on it, just

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immediately and get Let's give the listeners a chance to

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play along too. Okay, is that fair? Yeah? You know

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me too well, all right, so this first rule, let's

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let's let's call this familiar faces. Hackman was happy to

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see r Lee Ermei on set because they both served

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in the United States Marine Corps, and this film was

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the first of three films that Gene would appear in

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with actor Tobin Bell, who became famous for playing Jigsaw

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in the Sault franchise. All Right, you're wrinkling your brow.

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You're okay, all right? I know, all right, get here

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clue number two. During the nineteen eighty nine Oscars, Hackman's

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saw a brief violent clip of his performance, which led

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him to the decision to no longer accept violent roles.

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So this decision ember meant he said no to Hannibal

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Lecter in Silence of the Lambs, and although he did

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say no initially to Unforgiven, Clint talked him into the

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role of a little Bill daggett any any any any

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ideas you feeling it yet? Yeah?

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No, I think I know.

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Okay, you want to take take a guess who we

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talk about?

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Well, just given like the time, although I can't believe

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this would be number ten, is that Anderson in Mississippi Burning?

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You are corrected as Agent Anderson in Mississippi Burning.

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Okay, that was my number one on my list.

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You get this straight shit, kicker.

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Don't you go mistaken me for some whole other money.

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You've got to hear the brains in your dick.

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If you think we're just gonna fade away, We're gonna

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be here until this thing's finished.

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How about you, dippity? Is it gun just for show?

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You get to shoot people?

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Just a fantastic film too.

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Yeah, that was the first one that I watched when

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I started rewatching.

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Was Yeah, absolutely my favorite.

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I'll tell you him walking into that that that bar,

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you know where he kind of kind of has to

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turn up the heat on Brad Duraff and a couple

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of the other locals. Oh, this is such a great movie.

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It's one of those ones, though, I kind of feel

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like it flies another radar, like when you're talking Gene Hackman.

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It's not the first one. It's not the first two

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or three, you know, And I'm with you, you know

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it should have been the number tenth pick overall. Maybe

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maybe not, but we got we got nine more to

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talk about, if you're ready, all right, number nine. While

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on location in the Caribbean for this film, he learned

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how to scuba dive. Yeah, oh you already know it is,

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all right. Well, I'll give you I'll give you one more.

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This was the first of three films he did that

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were adapted by John Grisham novels. I feel like this

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one was too easy for you. But who are we

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talking about?

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Avery Tolar in the firm?

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I'm sorry, can I help you?

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Actually, I think I'm here to help you. I'm every Tollar.

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You're a designated mentor.

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Let's go to lunch, lunch, but it's not.

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Not even noon. I know it'll be a working lunch.

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What about you that you law school.

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So far back, I don't think I can remember.

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Sure he can't counselor.

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He used to caddy for young lawyers off from work

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on weekdays and their wives.

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I look at those long tan legs and just knew.

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I had to be a lawyer.

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The wives had long ten legs too.

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And such an understated role, but I absolutely love him

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in this movie.

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Here's the thing about Avery Toller. He he's not necessarily

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he's not necessarily a bad guy, but he's definitely not

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a good guy. He's he is walking the line right

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between the two of them, right yep.

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And the way he also plays, you know, sad and

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like kind of carrying the burden of his life choices.

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Yeah, he's I love how slick he is. When we

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first are introduced to him, you know, Tom Cruz is

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sitting there, he's trying to study for the bar, and

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he's like, yeah, let's take an early lunch, and hey,

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you know we're we don't drink on the job. So

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Tom Cruise is like, I'll have an iced tea and

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then he orders something. He's like, hey, I can have.

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A little little rebellion I've earned it.

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I've earned it. You have it. Yeah, he's so good.

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I love I love him, and you know, I'd love

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to talk more John Grisham with you, but I don't

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want to spoil what could or could not be on

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this list. We may be, we may we may be.

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You know. All right, Let's move on to number eight. Hackman,

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who was once on President Richard Nixon's enemies list in

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the nineteen seventies, reference to Nixon in this film by

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giving Nixon's famous peace sign. Is that is that a

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knowing laugher? Well?

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I think I know it is.

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But okay, all right, let me give you let me

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give you another another clue here. This is the second

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time the director of this film worked with Hackman on

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a motion picture, and before doing so, he did work

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with Hackman on Broadway and also cast him and later

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fired him in a film that said director won the

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Best Director Oscar.

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For Oh Well, now I know it is?

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Oh, Oh okay, you're you're you're doing good so far?

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You haven't missed? You want to you want to take

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a shot?

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Uh, Papaye Doyle in the French Connection.

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No, I'm sorry that is incorrect.

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No, not the French connection.

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It is thecon and he was crazy and fired everybody.

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So I figured I gotta be that one.

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I'm talking about the character who claimed no one will

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dance with me. I don't think it's this dress. I

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told him white would make me look fat? What that

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means no one will dance with me? I think it's

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this stress told him white would make me look fat.

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Senator Kevin Keey from.

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The Birdcake in the Birdcage.

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I gotta be honest. I had never seen this film.

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What did you think?

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I absolutely loved it. And and here's the thing, I'll

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be fair and say that I really wasn't all too into,

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you know, because I know I've seen Robin Williams go

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to eleven and other roles, and I just was, I

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don't know if this is gonna be for me. But

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then these lists are pouring in and it's making everyone's list,

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and in some cases it's the number one choice for

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some people. And I was like, wait, this is your

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number one pick from someone. I'm like, this can't be

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your number one pick. But it was, so I told myself,

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I was like, I got I gotta watch this film.

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I can't I can't do this episode without knowing what

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what this movie's about at first. Off, I love the

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fact lost we're based in Ohio. He's playing an Ohio senator.

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I got such a kick out of that. Yeah, you know,

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but such amazing performances from everybody. Even I'm watching, I'm like, wait,

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is that that's Callista Lockhart?

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Yes?

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How but what you know? I mean, Hank's area is

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blowing my mind with Oh yeah, yeah, I mean and Lane,

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They're they're all Dian Weist, I mean, everyone is so

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incredible in this movie. And I thought I thought Gene

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Hackman's performances Senator Keeley was just perfect. He really was.

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Yeah, well it's hard to be, you know, the straight

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man when all this insanity is going on around you,

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but he does it so well.

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Yeah. The comedy for me is how he is clearly.

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It's like it's like he's got a thing for for

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Nathan Lane, not knowing that Nathan Lane's a man, you know,

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He's he's very defensive of of of the mom character, and.

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Dian West is like, this is a man.

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A man, Yeah, like that wig is off and he's like, yeah,

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I don't understand.

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This is a man.

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Fantastic film. Amber We are already to a third of

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this list, so let's take a quick break and when

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we come back more Gene Hackman. Welcome back. We are

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doing our top ten favorite performances by Gene Hackman Amber.

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So far, we've had an FBI agent, a lawyer, and

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a senator. Let's talk about a few roles he didn't take,

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and I'm talking about the chief of police, a troubled

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family man in search of aliens, and a famous archaeologist.

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Would it surprise you to find out that he turned

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down the lead roles in Jaws, Close Encounters of the

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Third Kind and Raiders of the Lost Arc.

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I mean I could see him in Jaws, but not

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the other.

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Two, So okay, so he turned down Jaws for another role.

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And you gotta keep in mind he did star in

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five movies in nineteen seventy five, so it's hard to

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say which one, but I'm a betting man. I'm gonna

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bet it was Lucky Lady. That yeah, he did with

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Burt Reynolds, a very young Burt Reynolds. And you got

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to keep in mind he was paid one and a

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half million dollars, which was obscene at that time. That's

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too much money. And you know, and Hackman has stated

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on more than one occasion that that the paycheck and

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the script are the first two things he considers from

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taking a role. So fair, you know, unknown director, young

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director wanted to take you out to see for a

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long time on the water, on the water or one

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point five million to work with a young TV star

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named Burt Reynolds. I don't know.

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I mean, all of acting's kind of a gamble.

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So I agree with you. He would have been an

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awesome Chief Brody, though, I think yes, which is ironic

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because Roy Scheider gets it, you know, and I know

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that was they were kind of interchangeable for a brief

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period in the seventies, where like they were up for

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the same one, Like I know, I know Hackman was

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going to do Sorcerer, but then didn't you know he

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bailed out of that one, and then Roy Schreider gets it,

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so Close Encounters are the third kind he did. At

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this point, I'm like, wait, he turned down three Spielberg roles,

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like does he have a problem with Steven or But

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it turns out, unfortunately for him, he was in a

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troubled marriage at the time Close Encounters was about to

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shoot and he just didn't want to be away from

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home for sixteen weeks. You know, So hats off, the

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hats off the Gene. You know, he's he's looking at

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family first. I appreciate that, you know, I think that

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was the was the right thing for him. And plus,

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Richard Dreyfus is so good in that film. Yes, I

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mean you have to wonder what would Gene carve mashed

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potatoes as good as Richard Dreyfus.

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I think it's a different, darker movie with Gene Hackman.

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Right, I think I think Hackman maybe he's a little

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more menacing in those family scenes just having a breakdown. Yeah,

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I think I think you're right. Lastly, he turned down

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the role of Indiana Jones because he felt the character

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ever heard this, Oh listen, this is good stuff. He

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turned it down because he felt the character was too

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similar to other roles he had already played, and he

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was fearing he would be typecast as a tough guy

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action star. He also allegedly had concerns about the screenplay

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in its initial stage. So you know, I mean you

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get the first the rough draft, the first copy of

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the script, and so you know it's gonna change a

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couple of times, so you gotta wonder, but I I just.

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Can't Ford had like a step up because he'd already

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done Star Wars, so he kind of knew like he did.

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But as you go, yeah, but you got to remember

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they didn't want him for Indiana Jones because they already

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had him in American's Rafeeding and they had him in uh,

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Star Wars. But I just I mean, I just can't

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see Gene.

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Coms like I could say, like, I can't see.

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Yeah, yeah, Jean, Gene's not cracktable whip. I don't think

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you know. He did play a pilot several times in

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his career and he loved flying planes. Ah, I love

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he was on He did an appearance on the Tonight

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Show with Johnny Carson and they were talking about because

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Carson famously was a was a pilot. You know a

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lot of these celebrities they love to pilot their own

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little little planes. Carson asked him about the studio is

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being concerned with him about flying planes and doing aerobatics,

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and I love this. Listen to this.

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Yeah, doing stunts has not come new to you. I

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did not realize before that you were you did aerobatics

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as a pilot. Yeah, I fly a little and interested

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in aerobatics, more precision flying and really stunt flying.

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But there's a what does.

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The studio feel about How do they feel about you?

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Guy?

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I don't think they like it if they know about it,

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and I suppose at this point they will know about

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it now because a lot of the studios are not

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like their stars to go out in motorcycle.

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Right.

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I guess in the old days, when you're under contract

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to the studio, yeah, they had more control of you.

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But I you know, if you can't do something that

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kind of turns you on in your life, you might

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as well wrap it up.

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If you can't do something that turns you on in

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your life, you may as well wrap it up. Well,

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onto wrapping up. We're getting halfway there, Amber, Let's talk

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about seven through five. All right, Let's see if you

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can keep your perfect Oh wait, you're they missed one.

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You missed one, so h that's right. Okay, So let's

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see if you can redeem yourself here. This was gonna

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be a tough one for you, Okay. After the failure

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of this film and nineteen seventy three Scarecrow, he went

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through a period of depression, which ultimately changed the way

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he looked at the films He was offered, all right,

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blank stare, We'll give you another clue. This role, which

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was ranked number thirty seven on Premier Magazine's one hundred

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Greatest Performances of All Time in two thousand and six,

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was based on one of his uncles and a fellow

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marine he served with, who he characterized as someone who

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quote probably became a serial killer. Oh my gosh. He

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didn't name the marine. He just said that somebody's served with.

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You know, this is I mean, this is I mean,

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it's an iconic role.

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Amber, I mean is it the French connection?

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Are you? Are you playing your French connection card again?

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Dan?

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I don't know.

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Or do you want to hold off? Do you want

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to well give me, give me another you want the quote?

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Yeah?

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All right, here, all right, here's a quote from the

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movie for you.

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How are they talking about?

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For christ six?

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Stanley? Please, I'm trying to get this done.

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I'm excited, but.

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I'm getting fed up.

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Oh what about your asking me questions all day long?

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I can't see why a couple of questions about what

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the hell's going on can get you so out of

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joint because I can't sit here and explain the personal

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problems of my clients.

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I heard if you filled me in a little bit

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once in a while, do you everything.

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That It has nothing to do with me and even

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less to do with you.

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It's curiosity.

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Do you ever hear of that?

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It's just goddamn human nature.

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Listen.

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If there's one surefire rule that I have learned in

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this business is that I don't know anything about human nature.

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I don't know anything about curiosity. That's not part of

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what I do. What I this is my business. That's

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the que that's the quote that Look, Amber, here's did.

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You google most obscure Genman?

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To be fair, he doesn't have a lot to say

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in this movie. And I knew this was gonna be

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tough for you because I know you haven't seen this film.

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Oh and it's something Well, hey, I don't have to

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tell you. I don't have to tell you man, we're

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talking all right, Well listen, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm

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gonna end a suspense. We're talking about Harry call in

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the conversation.

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Oh, yes, we just spoke about this. Yeah, I've yet

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to watch it.

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Amber, It's one of the most incredible performances. I'm with

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Premier Magazine's choice there. I mean, he ranked number thirty

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seven with them, ranked number seven with us. It's such

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an amazing film.

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And I didn't think it was a failure.

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Well it it really didn't do the critically claimed. Yeah,

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critic critically critically claimed. It's it's it's amazing. It just

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it didn't find an audience when it first came out.

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That's okay. Yeah, it's such a good one. And I

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don't know if we talked about this, but uh, have

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you seen the Will Smith thriller Enemy of the State.

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I mean, I know I did when it first came out.

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I don't remember almost nothing about it.

477
00:25:49.440 --> 00:25:52.519
Yeah, but do you remember Hackman playing like a guy

478
00:25:52.599 --> 00:25:58.759
that's that's helping Will Will Smith take a surveillance guy. Yeah,

479
00:25:58.839 --> 00:26:02.359
he's like a guy like a Yeah. That's what's amazing

480
00:26:02.440 --> 00:26:06.400
is that Hackman basically looked and I think the character's

481
00:26:06.440 --> 00:26:08.720
name is brill in Enemy of the State, but he

482
00:26:08.799 --> 00:26:12.119
basically was like, Hey, this is this is the character

483
00:26:12.119 --> 00:26:16.000
I played the conversation and the directors like, yeah, I'm

484
00:26:16.079 --> 00:26:18.519
with that. So they even change like the set design

485
00:26:18.960 --> 00:26:20.720
of you know, in the Enemy of the State, like

486
00:26:20.839 --> 00:26:29.799
Brill's hideout looks very very similar akaa identical to Harry

487
00:26:30.160 --> 00:26:32.079
Harry's hideout in the conversation.

488
00:26:32.079 --> 00:26:33.440
I have to do like a double feature.

489
00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:35.480
Oh, it's such a fun double feature. It's one of

490
00:26:35.519 --> 00:26:37.759
those things like they've never really came out and officially

491
00:26:37.799 --> 00:26:40.599
said this is what's happening. But Gene Hackman said, come on,

492
00:26:41.480 --> 00:26:44.680
that's I'm playing him again. Yeah, I'd love to hear

493
00:26:44.680 --> 00:26:46.240
I'd love to hear your take on the conversation. It's

494
00:26:46.240 --> 00:26:49.400
such an amazing film. But moving on because we got

495
00:26:49.960 --> 00:26:53.599
we've got more amazing roles to talk about. Are you

496
00:26:53.640 --> 00:26:54.400
ready for number six?

497
00:26:55.400 --> 00:26:58.480
Yes'm I'm hoping to redeem myself.

498
00:26:58.680 --> 00:27:00.680
Yeah, you're you've hit a He've had a rough patch

499
00:27:00.680 --> 00:27:03.880
here in the middle of the top ten. So well, he's.

500
00:27:03.759 --> 00:27:08.039
Done so many, like you can't even go by the timeline.

501
00:27:08.720 --> 00:27:11.160
Well, if there's any consolation, you know, as we get

502
00:27:11.200 --> 00:27:14.079
closer to like the top three, it's gonna get easier.

503
00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:17.920
Of some of his roles are just they're too they're

504
00:27:17.960 --> 00:27:21.200
too big, they're too iconic. Right, But let's let's h

505
00:27:21.279 --> 00:27:24.799
let's get to number six here. So, during an interview

506
00:27:25.519 --> 00:27:31.400
with Vanity Fair. Ben Stiller revealed that this Gene Hackman

507
00:27:31.519 --> 00:27:35.640
film changed his life and made him want to become

508
00:27:35.680 --> 00:27:39.559
a filmmaker, and when he shared this information with Gene Hackman,

509
00:27:40.440 --> 00:27:48.160
Gene replied, oh yeah, money job, calling it, calling it

510
00:27:48.200 --> 00:27:49.960
like he's easy. He's just he's doing it for the money.

511
00:27:50.759 --> 00:27:54.519
That's blowing me away, because like, really, Michael Caine is

512
00:27:54.680 --> 00:27:59.000
the one who's famously he looked at the paycheck and

513
00:27:59.039 --> 00:28:03.000
the location, know and he made no apologies for it.

514
00:28:03.240 --> 00:28:05.960
I've never heard that about Gene Hackman. It's so funny.

515
00:28:06.039 --> 00:28:08.240
Yeah, oh, it's fantastic. All right, let me let me

516
00:28:08.240 --> 00:28:11.559
give you another one, okay, and you're gonna get it.

517
00:28:11.920 --> 00:28:14.079
I think this is gonna be this is gonna get

518
00:28:14.119 --> 00:28:18.200
it for you. I mentioned that Geen had done The

519
00:28:18.359 --> 00:28:21.480
Night Show with Johnny Carson. Yes, so he's on the

520
00:28:21.519 --> 00:28:24.799
Night Show with Johnny Carson here on this one. And

521
00:28:25.440 --> 00:28:30.160
while discussing his role in this film, Jeane, he had

522
00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:32.759
a lot of wonderful things to say about the cast

523
00:28:33.039 --> 00:28:36.960
and about this this uh, this actress, but Jane claimed

524
00:28:36.960 --> 00:28:41.359
that this famous co star was the only woman who

525
00:28:41.440 --> 00:28:45.680
could argue with you underwater. You know it. You got

526
00:28:45.680 --> 00:28:49.200
to know it right, yes, right now? Oh you're watching

527
00:28:49.279 --> 00:28:50.880
right what are you watching? What are you watching right now?

528
00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:52.640
I'm watching The Poseidon Adventure.

529
00:28:52.839 --> 00:28:55.160
Yeah, Reverend Scott in the Poseidon Adventure?

530
00:28:57.119 --> 00:28:57.960
When did I get.

531
00:29:00.079 --> 00:29:01.279
But Davin don't fight against?

532
00:29:02.480 --> 00:29:03.319
They was all.

533
00:29:05.480 --> 00:29:08.559
How many more tier fighters? How much more brunt?

534
00:29:10.400 --> 00:29:11.680
How many more lives?

535
00:29:13.319 --> 00:29:14.240
You on another live?

536
00:29:17.359 --> 00:29:18.000
That's take me.

537
00:29:23.799 --> 00:29:24.880
This is one of my favorite genes.

538
00:29:25.039 --> 00:29:26.559
He talking about Shelley Winter.

539
00:29:26.759 --> 00:29:28.160
He's talking about Shelley Winters.

540
00:29:29.039 --> 00:29:29.920
That's amazing.

541
00:29:30.279 --> 00:29:32.920
Well he shares, he shares this wonderful story about you

542
00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:36.240
know how he's like the hero in the in the

543
00:29:36.359 --> 00:29:38.200
film and he has to swim, you know the famous

544
00:29:38.240 --> 00:29:41.799
scene where he's swimming underwater for like over two minutes. Well,

545
00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:44.880
and then the wreckage hits him and he's trapped, and

546
00:29:44.960 --> 00:29:46.880
Kelley Winters is like, oh, I used to be a

547
00:29:47.000 --> 00:29:49.160
champion swimmer. I can do it, and everyone's like, no,

548
00:29:49.319 --> 00:29:52.680
you can't, you know, and he's going under you know.

549
00:29:52.759 --> 00:29:55.759
She basically saves his life, the character's life. And he

550
00:29:55.799 --> 00:29:59.400
said they were using like these rebreathers and even underwater,

551
00:29:59.519 --> 00:30:02.039
like she would argue like like he like they were

552
00:30:02.079 --> 00:30:05.799
trying to communicate and she would you know, act out

553
00:30:05.880 --> 00:30:10.400
like this is how we're gonna do it. But he

554
00:30:10.440 --> 00:30:12.279
was laughing, he was having a good time, and he

555
00:30:12.279 --> 00:30:13.680
he had he had a lot of wonderful things to

556
00:30:13.680 --> 00:30:18.079
say about Shelley Winners. It's it's Reverend Scott, though, I

557
00:30:18.119 --> 00:30:19.759
mean he's so iary in that.

558
00:30:20.119 --> 00:30:22.759
I love a good disaster movie, but this one is

559
00:30:23.920 --> 00:30:24.160
for me.

560
00:30:24.200 --> 00:30:26.480
It's the king of the disaster films. You know, when

561
00:30:26.480 --> 00:30:28.799
you look at this an earthquake and Tower Inferno.

562
00:30:29.039 --> 00:30:32.079
I was gonna say this one entire Inferno are very close.

563
00:30:32.160 --> 00:30:36.079
But but this is this is when when you've got

564
00:30:36.079 --> 00:30:41.440
Gene Hackman, who's kind of got like this rebellious preacher performance,

565
00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:44.720
and he's kind of like adapting like it took me.

566
00:30:44.799 --> 00:30:46.559
I was as a little kid, I never understood it,

567
00:30:46.599 --> 00:30:49.880
but as an adult you kind of get where Hackman

568
00:30:49.960 --> 00:30:55.200
and like Reverend Scott basically is like combining multiple religions.

569
00:30:55.440 --> 00:30:58.920
You know, he's he's he's he's Christian, but he's a

570
00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:01.079
he's a little bit of Buddhists and he's a little

571
00:31:01.079 --> 00:31:02.759
bit of the you know, he's it semost like he's

572
00:31:02.759 --> 00:31:04.319
taken a little bit of like he's taken like the

573
00:31:04.359 --> 00:31:07.680
best of everything that works and putting that into a sermon.

574
00:31:08.519 --> 00:31:10.920
And you know, you and I have already talked about this.

575
00:31:10.960 --> 00:31:15.920
We we love anytime Gene Hackman is gonna yell at someone, yes,

576
00:31:16.359 --> 00:31:21.160
you know, but damn it, don't fight against us.

577
00:31:23.920 --> 00:31:29.400
He's so good, so good, one of the great cinematic yellers.

578
00:31:29.839 --> 00:31:33.640
Yeah, and this it's funny. Like as as a little kid,

579
00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:38.960
obviously I know Gene Hackman as a certain kind of actor.

580
00:31:39.559 --> 00:31:43.200
And when I finally got to the Poseidon Adventure, I

581
00:31:43.240 --> 00:31:45.119
was like, wait, this is Gene Hackman, the action star.

582
00:31:46.000 --> 00:31:48.079
You know, I wasn't familiar with the seventies Gene Hackman

583
00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:49.039
that much, you know.

584
00:31:49.599 --> 00:31:49.799
Yeah.

585
00:31:50.039 --> 00:31:53.200
I discover him in like eighty six, you know, when

586
00:31:53.200 --> 00:31:55.279
he's in Hoosiers, and then I'm like, oh yeah, and

587
00:31:55.319 --> 00:31:58.920
obviously Superman and stuff like that, but it's like the

588
00:31:59.079 --> 00:32:03.640
muscle bound action hero Gene Hackman. I didn't know that.

589
00:32:03.960 --> 00:32:07.240
And Poseidon Adventure led me to the French connection, and

590
00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:09.559
that led me to other Gene Hackman roles. That's like,

591
00:32:09.599 --> 00:32:12.559
this guy's awesome, you know, so kind. I kind of

592
00:32:12.640 --> 00:32:14.200
understand why he didn't want to be type cast as

593
00:32:14.240 --> 00:32:16.480
an action guy, as a tough guy. It makes a

594
00:32:16.480 --> 00:32:18.960
little bit of sense when you look at the Posidon Adventures.

595
00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:21.759
Well especially, he probably felt like once people found out

596
00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:27.039
he was a marine, yep, that they pigeonhole him and

597
00:32:27.079 --> 00:32:28.240
he'd never get away from it.

598
00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:33.680
Did you know that he lied to join the Marines? No,

599
00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:36.799
he lied about his age. He was only sixteen when

600
00:32:36.799 --> 00:32:37.279
he joined.

601
00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:40.359
Oh my goodness, Yeah, he got it.

602
00:32:40.359 --> 00:32:42.920
He did it, He did his time. You know, just

603
00:32:42.960 --> 00:32:46.440
wanted to didn't want to wait. Yep, Well I don't

604
00:32:46.440 --> 00:32:47.920
want to wait. I want to talk about the number

605
00:32:47.920 --> 00:32:51.000
five overall. Pick. Let's see how you do here?

606
00:32:51.400 --> 00:32:52.119
Oh god.

607
00:32:53.039 --> 00:32:58.799
Jack Nicholson wanted this role. However, he was serving as

608
00:32:58.799 --> 00:33:02.160
a witness in a lawsuit and that kept him from

609
00:33:02.359 --> 00:33:06.759
taking any work for six months. Jack tell's producers. Imagine

610
00:33:06.759 --> 00:33:10.200
you're the producers. I mean Jack Nicholson is telling, is

611
00:33:10.240 --> 00:33:12.400
talking to you and advising you on how to how

612
00:33:12.400 --> 00:33:15.839
to proceed with his film. Jack told the producers if

613
00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:19.000
they found another actor, they could go ahead without him.

614
00:33:20.039 --> 00:33:22.720
I mean that's I mean, that's power. Like he's, yeah,

615
00:33:23.079 --> 00:33:24.720
we didn't hire you for the role, but thank you

616
00:33:24.759 --> 00:33:30.559
for letting us move forward without you. Uh So, while

617
00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:33.960
while Nicholson is in court, they go get Gene Hackman,

618
00:33:34.599 --> 00:33:38.680
who famously believed this film would be a big flop.

619
00:33:39.519 --> 00:33:44.279
Now after the film's released, Jack Nicholson praised the film,

620
00:33:44.559 --> 00:33:48.039
saying the movie and its cast were great, but if

621
00:33:48.039 --> 00:33:49.559
they had waited for him to star in it, it

622
00:33:49.599 --> 00:33:55.359
would have been a mega hit. Oh my, Jack much

623
00:33:56.440 --> 00:33:59.559
just all over the place. All right, you want you

624
00:33:59.559 --> 00:34:01.599
want another? Yes, you got an idea.

625
00:34:01.839 --> 00:34:03.000
I had no clue.

626
00:34:03.480 --> 00:34:06.039
All right, the director, you know what I was. I

627
00:34:06.079 --> 00:34:07.559
was not going to give you the director's name. But

628
00:34:07.599 --> 00:34:10.559
I feel like he's obscure enough that maybe you're not

629
00:34:10.559 --> 00:34:13.079
going to get this immediately. Maybe some of our listeners might,

630
00:34:13.119 --> 00:34:15.880
but but I don't know. The director of this movie,

631
00:34:16.239 --> 00:34:23.840
David Ansbaugh, had this to say about working with Gene Hackman. Quote,

632
00:34:23.960 --> 00:34:27.079
before filming, I was so excited to have Gene Hackman.

633
00:34:27.840 --> 00:34:30.239
He was the coolest guy to hang out with. He

634
00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:34.239
was funny and irreverent and told great stories and all that.

635
00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:38.559
And then first day of shooting, I didn't recognize him.

636
00:34:39.079 --> 00:34:43.199
He became an entirely different person, and he just made

637
00:34:43.239 --> 00:34:46.199
it hell on Earth for me every day. Now, you

638
00:34:46.239 --> 00:34:49.639
gotta remember, Hackman was known for his no nonsense approach

639
00:34:49.679 --> 00:34:53.960
on set. You know, particularly with the directors, there's a

640
00:34:54.079 --> 00:34:55.599
there's a great uh. I don't know if it was

641
00:34:55.639 --> 00:34:57.320
like an inside the actors studio or what it was,

642
00:34:57.400 --> 00:35:02.280
but uh, there's a great conversation between Clint Eastwood and

643
00:35:02.320 --> 00:35:04.920
Wes Anderson. They're talking about.

644
00:35:06.320 --> 00:35:08.119
Wes Anderson a hard.

645
00:35:07.880 --> 00:35:12.599
Time, yes, and it's just it's funny to hear as

646
00:35:12.679 --> 00:35:15.400
as difficult time as he's giving Wes Anderson, who's young

647
00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:18.039
and inexperienced, he's doing that to Clint Eastwood, and Clint

648
00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:20.360
Eastwood's kind of la laughing and chuckling with Wes Anderson,

649
00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:23.880
is like, yeah, he was tough. If he didn''t to

650
00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:25.760
do something, he was gonna do it. If he didn't

651
00:35:25.760 --> 00:35:27.400
want to do it your way, he was gonna let

652
00:35:27.440 --> 00:35:27.639
you know.

653
00:35:28.679 --> 00:35:34.079
So can you imagine having the spine to like give

654
00:35:34.119 --> 00:35:35.360
Clint east what a hard time?

655
00:35:35.679 --> 00:35:38.320
I well, if you're pop Eye Doyle, I mean, I

656
00:35:38.320 --> 00:35:40.880
guess you can you can get away with it, I guess.

657
00:35:40.920 --> 00:35:44.159
But when you're Wes Anderson, you're I don't know if

658
00:35:44.159 --> 00:35:45.559
you've ever seen the behind the scenes stuff on the

659
00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:49.360
Royal Tenebaums where he's trying to give I just direction

660
00:35:49.599 --> 00:35:53.119
story No, Oh my god, it's it's it's on YouTube.

661
00:35:53.159 --> 00:35:57.000
You gotta you gotta watch it because the look that

662
00:35:57.079 --> 00:36:00.920
Gene Hackman is giving Wes Anderson. I mean, if cartoon

663
00:36:01.039 --> 00:36:05.119
daggers could be shooting out of his eyeballs, it's.

664
00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:08.119
It's happening, and just go home and cry.

665
00:36:08.960 --> 00:36:13.559
Well the David Anspaul said, you know, for this, this role,

666
00:36:13.639 --> 00:36:15.239
this this movie that we're talking about. In the number

667
00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:18.800
five spot, he did say that the first time he

668
00:36:18.840 --> 00:36:22.079
ever realized he had had an anxiety attack, it was

669
00:36:22.119 --> 00:36:25.440
because of Gene Hackman, is what what he claimed. He

670
00:36:25.480 --> 00:36:27.920
was that here he was assuming he was gonna get fired,

671
00:36:28.039 --> 00:36:31.079
like you know, Jean's agent was pushing for it at

672
00:36:31.119 --> 00:36:34.079
the studio, was like, we've seen the dailies of this film.

673
00:36:34.199 --> 00:36:39.519
This film is amazing. David's not getting fired. And ultimately

674
00:36:39.599 --> 00:36:41.920
another the co star shows up three weeks into shooting,

675
00:36:42.760 --> 00:36:44.159
and then all of a sudden, and now Jean's having

676
00:36:44.199 --> 00:36:48.199
a good time because because his buddy's here, So any

677
00:36:48.280 --> 00:36:49.800
any idea what we're talking about.

678
00:36:49.639 --> 00:36:51.760
Yet, absolutely no clue.

679
00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:54.559
All Right, I'm gonna play. I'm gonna give you this

680
00:36:54.639 --> 00:36:55.880
and then you're gonna know immediately.

681
00:36:56.119 --> 00:37:01.199
Okay, forget about the crowds, the size of the school,

682
00:37:02.639 --> 00:37:07.639
their fancy uniforms, and remember what got you here. Focus

683
00:37:07.639 --> 00:37:10.920
on the fundamentals we've gone over time and time again,

684
00:37:11.119 --> 00:37:14.159
and most important, don't get caught up thinking about winning

685
00:37:14.280 --> 00:37:17.440
or losing this game. If you put your effort and

686
00:37:17.480 --> 00:37:19.079
concentration into playing to your.

687
00:37:18.920 --> 00:37:21.239
Potential to be the best that you can be. I

688
00:37:21.239 --> 00:37:23.199
don't care what the scoreboard says at the end of

689
00:37:23.199 --> 00:37:25.480
the game. In my book, we're going to be winners.

690
00:37:26.400 --> 00:37:29.840
Well, I'm crying because it's Hissiers and I just watched

691
00:37:29.840 --> 00:37:30.559
it this morning.

692
00:37:31.639 --> 00:37:36.639
Coach Norman Dale and Hosiers. We I think this was

693
00:37:36.719 --> 00:37:39.880
this might have been the fourth episode for our nineteen

694
00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:43.440
eighty six series, Our good buddy Dayton Johnson, you know

695
00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:47.559
this was. This is pre Docking Bay seventy seven. H

696
00:37:47.960 --> 00:37:50.599
for it. Dayton Johnson showed up to talk Hoosiers with

697
00:37:50.679 --> 00:37:55.039
me and loved, loved talking about Hoosiers. It's one of

698
00:37:55.079 --> 00:37:57.119
those things like eighty six. You know, we had such

699
00:37:57.159 --> 00:37:59.400
a fun time. You know you've done you did plenty

700
00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:02.159
of those episode with us, and they're so fun. But

701
00:38:02.239 --> 00:38:03.960
that's just us, like having a good time and just

702
00:38:03.960 --> 00:38:07.000
being casual, like we didn't really get to peel the

703
00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:09.639
movie back and really dive in and talk about it.

704
00:38:09.679 --> 00:38:16.360
So but Man coach Norman Dale definitely a top five

705
00:38:16.519 --> 00:38:18.719
of all time for Gene Hackman. I'm glad to see

706
00:38:18.719 --> 00:38:19.679
it's in the top five here.

707
00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:23.039
Yeah, absolutely absolute.

708
00:38:23.480 --> 00:38:26.760
Did you know that there is a cut? It's it's

709
00:38:26.760 --> 00:38:28.519
like a two and a half hour cut, maybe a

710
00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:31.159
little bit longer that initially existed in the studio was like,

711
00:38:31.159 --> 00:38:33.280
it's this is way too long. You cut it, you know,

712
00:38:33.880 --> 00:38:35.840
they cut it, Like I think the runtime of the

713
00:38:35.920 --> 00:38:38.199
of the movie now is like one hundred and fourteen minutes.

714
00:38:39.519 --> 00:38:41.400
There's a whole big chunk of the movie that's that

715
00:38:41.440 --> 00:38:43.960
was cut out. I wish they would re release it

716
00:38:44.039 --> 00:38:47.679
like a collector's edition. Yeah, you know, a director's cut.

717
00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:53.280
David Ansbaul said, you mostly what you missed out on

718
00:38:53.400 --> 00:38:57.519
is the budding romance between him and Barbara Hershey, which

719
00:38:57.559 --> 00:38:59.519
you know, you and I just talked about Barbara Hershey.

720
00:39:01.119 --> 00:39:04.639
But all that that subplots kind of was cut so

721
00:39:04.639 --> 00:39:06.760
that they could make time for the movie, you know, and.

722
00:39:06.920 --> 00:39:10.400
It does kind of take a rather abrupt yeah.

723
00:39:10.360 --> 00:39:13.559
That forward, like yeah, like she goes from like.

724
00:39:13.639 --> 00:39:16.559
She's so hateful to him when he first arrives, Like

725
00:39:17.440 --> 00:39:18.199
it's intense.

726
00:39:18.840 --> 00:39:22.559
Yeah, they to like, you know, I've never cared more

727
00:39:22.599 --> 00:39:25.039
for anyone, you know, it's like, yeah, what happened?

728
00:39:25.519 --> 00:39:27.559
I have a fun fact for you.

729
00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:28.719
Yeah, laid on me.

730
00:39:29.639 --> 00:39:35.880
My dad's cousin her house was used for Norman's House.

731
00:39:36.039 --> 00:39:37.239
No, are you kidding me?

732
00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:37.880
No?

733
00:39:38.159 --> 00:39:42.239
That movie is was my dad's teenage yeers. Like my

734
00:39:42.360 --> 00:39:45.880
dad was Jimmy oh wow when he was this film

735
00:39:45.920 --> 00:39:47.960
in high school in Little Eaton, Indiana.

736
00:39:48.000 --> 00:39:49.920
So that's why I can't, like, I almost never watch

737
00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:52.119
it because I just cry.

738
00:39:52.280 --> 00:39:55.280
I missed my dad so much, you know. Yeah, but

739
00:39:55.360 --> 00:39:57.079
it's such a beautiful movie.

740
00:39:57.360 --> 00:40:01.039
What a what a wonderful connection to that film though

741
00:40:01.039 --> 00:40:03.239
for you, I mean, you know, I hate to think

742
00:40:03.280 --> 00:40:05.800
that you get you get very emotional about it. It tears

743
00:40:05.840 --> 00:40:12.519
you up. But to have such a oh there's Christmas house. Yeah,

744
00:40:12.840 --> 00:40:14.639
call Chris up. We need we need to do like

745
00:40:14.679 --> 00:40:18.119
a like a another Oh okay, well.

746
00:40:18.440 --> 00:40:20.360
But yeah, it would be fun to have her on.

747
00:40:21.320 --> 00:40:23.440
We have her on. I was I was gonna say,

748
00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:26.480
let's pack up and head there. Well, we'll record a

749
00:40:26.519 --> 00:40:32.920
Hoosier's Deep Dive episode in normal on location Yeah. Yeah,

750
00:40:33.199 --> 00:40:38.679
love love Love Hoosiers, fantastic Amber. Let's take another quick

751
00:40:38.679 --> 00:40:42.079
break and when we get back, we'll talk a little

752
00:40:42.079 --> 00:40:46.199
bit about some of the awards and accolades that Jane

753
00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:54.480
collected over his career. Welcome back. We are halfway through

754
00:40:55.360 --> 00:41:01.840
our top ten favorite performances by Gene Hackman. I want

755
00:41:01.880 --> 00:41:05.199
to talk a little bit about the awards and the

756
00:41:05.239 --> 00:41:09.440
accolades that this guy received over his lifetime. So Gene

757
00:41:10.320 --> 00:41:14.400
has been recognized by the Academy Awards, the Golden Globes,

758
00:41:14.559 --> 00:41:18.400
the Blockbuster Awards, the Screen Actors Guild Awards, the BAFTA Awards,

759
00:41:19.239 --> 00:41:24.480
and countless film festivals, with thirty four wins and forty

760
00:41:24.519 --> 00:41:28.480
nominations total for his filmography.

761
00:41:29.119 --> 00:41:31.239
Pretty amazing, That is amazing.

762
00:41:31.840 --> 00:41:35.760
Yeah, Gene was nominated for five Academy Awards, Best Supporting

763
00:41:35.760 --> 00:41:38.880
Actor for Bonnie and Clyde, I Never Sang for My

764
00:41:38.960 --> 00:41:44.519
Father and Unforgiven, and Best Actor for The French Connection

765
00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:48.639
and Mississippi Burning. Obviously, he won the Oscar for The

766
00:41:48.639 --> 00:41:52.880
French Connection and Unforgiven, and rightly so. I mean, when

767
00:41:52.880 --> 00:41:54.360
you even when you go back and you look at

768
00:41:54.360 --> 00:41:58.400
the talent that he was up against, he was the

769
00:41:58.440 --> 00:41:59.159
clear Cut winner.

770
00:41:59.719 --> 00:42:03.599
Yeah, that's always interesting to see, like who else was nominated?

771
00:42:03.719 --> 00:42:07.239
And when you go on YouTube and you watch those

772
00:42:07.239 --> 00:42:11.119
old segments from the Academy Awards, and I'll tell you

773
00:42:11.239 --> 00:42:15.639
like his the one where he wins for the French Connection. E.

774
00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:19.280
Liza Minelli is presenting it. You go back and watch it,

775
00:42:19.280 --> 00:42:21.440
It's she's all over the place. I don't know if

776
00:42:21.480 --> 00:42:23.960
she was just super nervous or she was high on coke.

777
00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:26.960
I don't know what she was doing with Liza. Could

778
00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:29.079
go either way, could go either way, right, you know,

779
00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:33.920
he won the Golden Globe for Best Actor three times

780
00:42:34.920 --> 00:42:39.480
for The French Connection, Unforgiven and The Royal Tenant Bombs

781
00:42:40.440 --> 00:42:43.320
was nominated for five other Golden Globes, and in two

782
00:42:43.400 --> 00:42:46.320
thousand and three at the Golden Globes, I think it

783
00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:49.360
was the sixtieth Golden Globes, he won the Cecil b

784
00:42:49.480 --> 00:42:53.119
de mill Award. And I mean, of all the times

785
00:42:53.159 --> 00:42:56.679
you've seen him accept something, I think this is the

786
00:42:56.679 --> 00:42:59.519
best one because you know, winning the the cecil b

787
00:42:59.559 --> 00:43:04.159
de mill Award. Lord he he says, you know, he's

788
00:43:04.159 --> 00:43:07.039
got this big grin on his face and he h

789
00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:10.480
he says, there's a line I always wanted to say

790
00:43:11.280 --> 00:43:14.559
top of the world, Ma, top of the world, and

791
00:43:14.599 --> 00:43:17.320
you're just like, you're just enjoying the moment with him,

792
00:43:17.440 --> 00:43:19.280
you know, because you know, of course this is this

793
00:43:19.320 --> 00:43:22.199
is the iconic line given at the end of White Heat,

794
00:43:23.000 --> 00:43:26.119
which starred one of his idols, James Cagney. So it's

795
00:43:26.119 --> 00:43:28.199
a it's a cool moment to watch again. Like I

796
00:43:29.119 --> 00:43:31.639
you know, I was randomly looking up Jeene Gene Hackman

797
00:43:31.719 --> 00:43:33.559
on YouTube here and there and just just to see

798
00:43:33.599 --> 00:43:35.599
some of the the moments he's had. It was just

799
00:43:35.639 --> 00:43:38.519
it was fun. But we've got a top ten to finish, Amber,

800
00:43:38.599 --> 00:43:43.960
so let's continue with our number four choice. And again

801
00:43:44.000 --> 00:43:45.920
he's got to be getting easier because we've we haven't

802
00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:48.639
mentioned some of his big ones, so no no pressure,

803
00:43:48.760 --> 00:43:56.519
but number four. Jean took the role only after al Pacino,

804
00:43:57.119 --> 00:44:02.280
Warren Batty and Tommy Lee Jones passed on it. Wow,

805
00:44:03.280 --> 00:44:05.800
it's a good company to be keeping. But I'm saying

806
00:44:06.719 --> 00:44:08.679
when you when you guess this one, you're gonna be like,

807
00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:12.039
how were those guys even even considered?

808
00:44:12.440 --> 00:44:12.679
Right?

809
00:44:12.719 --> 00:44:18.440
You know, although his character should rightfully wear a blue

810
00:44:18.440 --> 00:44:23.800
ball cap Jeane or a scarlet one, which technically denotes

811
00:44:24.239 --> 00:44:28.639
Marine Corps personnel aboard US Navy ships. And again you

812
00:44:28.679 --> 00:44:30.519
got to remember Jean serving in the Marine Corps from

813
00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:32.199
like nineteen forty six to nineteen fifty one.

814
00:44:33.000 --> 00:44:34.679
Okay, so I'm pretty sure I know what it is.

815
00:44:34.760 --> 00:44:37.239
But you want I'll give you. How about how about

816
00:44:37.239 --> 00:44:42.320
a quote? Yeah, the character says, mister Hunter, I've made

817
00:44:42.320 --> 00:44:45.280
the decision. I'm captain of this boat. Now shut the

818
00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:45.800
fuck up.

819
00:44:47.840 --> 00:44:52.199
I just watched this last night. This would be Captain

820
00:44:52.280 --> 00:44:58.159
Ramsey from Crimson Tide. Yes, one of my favorites.

821
00:44:58.239 --> 00:45:01.760
All time favorites, right, yeah, and it's such like it's

822
00:45:01.800 --> 00:45:06.280
not the greatest movie. It's like The Rock but underwater,

823
00:45:06.559 --> 00:45:08.920
you know, even got the same music.

824
00:45:09.239 --> 00:45:12.599
I have never thought about it being The Rock Underwater.

825
00:45:13.000 --> 00:45:16.800
That's blowing my mind because it's all kind of falling

826
00:45:16.800 --> 00:45:19.599
into place that does make it makes a lot of sense.

827
00:45:20.559 --> 00:45:24.719
But it's got, you know, a great supporting cast of

828
00:45:24.880 --> 00:45:29.679
like everybody on the cusp of being super famous. And

829
00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:34.960
I mean it didn't make number one on my list

830
00:45:35.079 --> 00:45:37.119
just because it's really Denzel's movie.

831
00:45:38.119 --> 00:45:39.960
Okay, but Gene.

832
00:45:39.599 --> 00:45:44.440
Hackman is so perfect in that role.

833
00:45:44.360 --> 00:45:47.239
Like he's just he's just the right age He plays

834
00:45:47.280 --> 00:45:50.880
it just right where you kind of don't like him,

835
00:45:50.920 --> 00:45:52.480
but you kind of have to like him.

836
00:45:53.079 --> 00:45:55.599
He he's so complicated.

837
00:45:56.280 --> 00:45:59.039
I gotta be honest. There's times I watch it and

838
00:45:59.119 --> 00:46:00.880
I'm I'm team Gene.

839
00:46:01.199 --> 00:46:01.440
Yeah.

840
00:46:01.599 --> 00:46:04.280
There's times I watch it I'm I'm team Denzel. Yes,

841
00:46:04.440 --> 00:46:06.000
and it go. I go back and forth on it

842
00:46:06.039 --> 00:46:09.159
because and I love I love the way the movie ends,

843
00:46:09.199 --> 00:46:13.559
because it's one of those well you're both wrong and

844
00:46:13.599 --> 00:46:16.679
you're both right, and I love how Jason Robarbs kind

845
00:46:16.679 --> 00:46:18.880
of explains that in like a nice little cameo by

846
00:46:18.920 --> 00:46:20.679
Jason Robarbs. By the way, Yes, I love how he

847
00:46:20.760 --> 00:46:23.599
kind of explains, like, you know, you guys have created

848
00:46:23.599 --> 00:46:26.840
like the perfect storm of this should never happen, and

849
00:46:26.880 --> 00:46:28.440
now that it's happened, how we're going to fix it

850
00:46:28.559 --> 00:46:31.159
kind of a thing because they're they're both right, but

851
00:46:31.159 --> 00:46:36.280
they're both wrong, and it's the just the performance that

852
00:46:36.280 --> 00:46:39.440
that he has as Captain Ramsey. I love Denzel. When

853
00:46:39.480 --> 00:46:41.920
he asked about and when he was asked about Crimson

854
00:46:41.920 --> 00:46:43.679
Tide like one of one of his reasons for going

855
00:46:43.679 --> 00:46:46.760
after the movie. Talking about Gene Hackman, he said it

856
00:46:46.840 --> 00:46:49.679
was his chance to duel with one of the masters.

857
00:46:50.480 --> 00:46:53.880
I thought, wow that that's on screen because you can

858
00:46:53.960 --> 00:46:56.320
see where they've there's a little bit of friction right

859
00:46:56.360 --> 00:46:59.480
from the get go with them. Oh yeah, but there's also.

860
00:47:00.960 --> 00:47:03.400
Measuring body parts the first time they.

861
00:47:03.280 --> 00:47:07.960
Meet, Yeah, to speak. I think I think they're they're

862
00:47:08.039 --> 00:47:11.760
discussion about the uh, the Lippons Honor Stallions.

863
00:47:12.679 --> 00:47:16.920
Yes, and then the moment when it happens in this

864
00:47:17.599 --> 00:47:19.840
like you have three minutes and they sit there, you

865
00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:20.360
have three.

866
00:47:20.239 --> 00:47:23.239
Minutes, Yeah, they talk. I think I think someone clocked it.

867
00:47:23.239 --> 00:47:25.480
It's like two minutes thirty eight seconds that scene goes

868
00:47:26.039 --> 00:47:27.920
because like the last sixty minutes of this is almost

869
00:47:28.000 --> 00:47:32.199
real time it plays out. Yes, expert direction from from

870
00:47:32.239 --> 00:47:33.800
Tony Scott as far as I'm concerned.

871
00:47:37.480 --> 00:47:41.840
Speaking of horses, do you ever see those Lipins on

872
00:47:41.920 --> 00:47:51.320
her Stallions what from Portugal? The Lippins Onner Stallions, most

873
00:47:51.400 --> 00:47:59.559
highly trained horses in the world. They're all white, Yes, sir, Yes, sir,

874
00:48:01.679 --> 00:48:04.519
you're where they're all white? Or yes, sir you've seen.

875
00:48:04.280 --> 00:48:09.840
Them, Yes, sir, I've seen them. Yes, sir, I'm aware

876
00:48:09.880 --> 00:48:14.239
that they're all white. They're not from Portugal, They're from

877
00:48:14.280 --> 00:48:21.880
Spain and at birth they're not white. They're black, so.

878
00:48:23.880 --> 00:48:27.320
I didn't know that that they are from Portugal.

879
00:48:31.320 --> 00:48:34.159
But they are so good in that moment. It's one

880
00:48:34.159 --> 00:48:37.679
of those it's like de Niro and Puccino in the

881
00:48:37.719 --> 00:48:38.719
diner scene and heat.

882
00:48:39.239 --> 00:48:42.320
Yes, you wait, it's one of those movies where it's like,

883
00:48:43.559 --> 00:48:46.920
is Gene lucky to be working with Denzel or is

884
00:48:46.960 --> 00:48:50.320
it the other way around because they're both to the

885
00:48:50.360 --> 00:48:52.119
greatest actors of their generation.

886
00:48:52.719 --> 00:48:56.760
Yeah. I mean, this scene has so much tension, and

887
00:48:57.079 --> 00:49:01.000
I love how calm and collected they both are as

888
00:49:01.039 --> 00:49:05.320
they talk about horses while we may or may not

889
00:49:05.840 --> 00:49:08.480
be on the brink of nuclear war. It's so good.

890
00:49:08.800 --> 00:49:12.079
It's so good. Yes, And then there were three amber.

891
00:49:13.079 --> 00:49:15.599
I mean, I have three left on my list. No,

892
00:49:15.639 --> 00:49:17.639
I have four, and one of them is not gonna

893
00:49:17.679 --> 00:49:18.199
make it so.

894
00:49:18.880 --> 00:49:22.519
Okay, okay, Well, as I said, it's it's gotta get

895
00:49:22.519 --> 00:49:26.800
easier for you, this one the number three. The director

896
00:49:26.800 --> 00:49:31.519
of this film advised Gene Hackman to base his performance

897
00:49:32.519 --> 00:49:34.800
off Darryl Gates. Do you know who that is?

898
00:49:35.440 --> 00:49:36.760
I feel like I should, but no.

899
00:49:37.679 --> 00:49:42.360
Darrel Gates was the longest running chief of the Los

900
00:49:42.400 --> 00:49:47.400
Angeles Police Department. He also founded the swat team and

901
00:49:47.960 --> 00:49:51.559
founded the DARE program to educate kids about the dangers

902
00:49:51.599 --> 00:49:52.960
of drugs. You remember that one we were kids like

903
00:49:53.039 --> 00:49:56.760
Dare to keep drugs. Yes, yeah, this is the police

904
00:49:56.800 --> 00:50:00.000
chief that created the DARE program. He created the swats

905
00:50:01.079 --> 00:50:02.519
and the director said, hey, I want you to I

906
00:50:02.519 --> 00:50:06.000
want you to base your performance off of this guy.

907
00:50:06.880 --> 00:50:09.760
So and that may be a little misleading when you

908
00:50:09.760 --> 00:50:12.880
find out who we're talking about. Now, Yeah, let me

909
00:50:12.880 --> 00:50:15.159
give you, let me give let me give you another clue.

910
00:50:15.039 --> 00:50:15.280
Yeah.

911
00:50:16.079 --> 00:50:23.519
After appearing in this film, Richard Harris a deal for

912
00:50:23.599 --> 00:50:26.360
the three people that are listening and going, who's Richard Harris?

913
00:50:27.119 --> 00:50:27.719
Denvil Dark?

914
00:50:27.760 --> 00:50:31.360
After appearing in this film, Richard Harris, who had a

915
00:50:31.360 --> 00:50:34.639
great deal of respect for Gene Hackman, described him as

916
00:50:34.719 --> 00:50:39.920
quote a truly dangerous and intimidating actor. Yeah, do you

917
00:50:39.960 --> 00:50:43.320
know which you know what we're talking about? Who are

918
00:50:43.320 --> 00:50:44.000
we talking about?

919
00:50:44.599 --> 00:50:47.840
We're talking about little Bill Daggett from Unforgiven.

920
00:50:50.679 --> 00:51:00.280
I don't do it like this. I was building.

921
00:51:02.159 --> 00:51:04.199
Deserves. Have nothing to do with it.

922
00:51:07.559 --> 00:51:10.360
I'll see you in hell with your money.

923
00:51:13.400 --> 00:51:15.119
I was so worried that you were gonna say, we're

924
00:51:15.159 --> 00:51:17.719
talking about pop I Doyle Well it could have been

925
00:51:18.360 --> 00:51:21.440
that I was trying. I was trying to mislead you

926
00:51:21.480 --> 00:51:25.840
intend yeah, a little bit.

927
00:51:26.079 --> 00:51:26.639
This movie.

928
00:51:26.719 --> 00:51:30.159
He's so horrible in this movie, Like it turns my stomach.

929
00:51:31.039 --> 00:51:34.639
It's I mean, he's like, he's played some amazing bad guys,

930
00:51:34.639 --> 00:51:37.239
but this might be, oh my god, it might be

931
00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:38.079
his best bad guy.

932
00:51:38.920 --> 00:51:41.239
Well, first of all, it's just the best movie.

933
00:51:41.760 --> 00:51:44.199
Oh gosh, ya absolutely, I.

934
00:51:44.159 --> 00:51:46.960
Mean, if not the best Western.

935
00:51:47.840 --> 00:51:51.199
And again we just talked about him facing off against

936
00:51:51.239 --> 00:51:57.199
Denzel Washington mm hmm, him facing off against Clint Eastwood.

937
00:51:57.800 --> 00:52:01.239
It's cinematic history. It's so good.

938
00:52:02.119 --> 00:52:06.320
Yeah, it's just, oh my gosh, a villain.

939
00:52:06.920 --> 00:52:10.480
Like twenty years before we get Unforgiven. Someone tried to

940
00:52:10.480 --> 00:52:13.039
make it and they wanted They actually offered the Will

941
00:52:13.239 --> 00:52:16.719
the Will Money role to Gene Hackman and he's like, no,

942
00:52:16.920 --> 00:52:20.280
I don't want it. And then after he decided he

943
00:52:20.280 --> 00:52:23.039
didn't want to do violent films anymore, Clint Eastwood's like, no,

944
00:52:23.280 --> 00:52:25.920
I need you, and he basically he talked. They had

945
00:52:25.920 --> 00:52:29.000
a conversation. He was like, I'm I'm worried about the

946
00:52:29.000 --> 00:52:31.719
gun violence in this film. And this was at a

947
00:52:31.760 --> 00:52:34.519
time when gun violence is on the rise. In America.

948
00:52:34.599 --> 00:52:37.400
So Hackman is notably concerned about it, and he was like,

949
00:52:37.480 --> 00:52:40.039
I don't want this to be gratuitous. I don't want

950
00:52:40.039 --> 00:52:42.960
it to be misleading to people. I don't want to

951
00:52:43.360 --> 00:52:45.360
glorify it. What what what are we? What are you thinking?

952
00:52:45.400 --> 00:52:48.000
In Clint Eastood was like, listen, that is not gonna

953
00:52:48.000 --> 00:52:48.880
be the case in this film.

954
00:52:49.559 --> 00:52:53.320
So yeah, but boy is it brutal.

955
00:52:54.960 --> 00:52:56.599
Certainly is hack.

956
00:52:56.559 --> 00:52:59.119
But oh my gosh, so good.

957
00:52:59.199 --> 00:53:01.239
But like you need to I feel like you need

958
00:53:01.280 --> 00:53:03.159
to watch a lot of his other movies before you

959
00:53:03.199 --> 00:53:06.360
watch this one, because I feel like it would turn

960
00:53:06.440 --> 00:53:08.039
you off. Like I don't know that I could watch

961
00:53:08.079 --> 00:53:09.960
him for a long time after.

962
00:53:10.239 --> 00:53:11.000
That's interesting to me.

963
00:53:12.840 --> 00:53:13.960
To make that bad.

964
00:53:14.400 --> 00:53:16.760
But that's a that's actually that's a great compliment to

965
00:53:16.840 --> 00:53:20.480
his performance. Oh yeah, you know, when a bag you

966
00:53:20.559 --> 00:53:22.599
have to care. You know, it's been said many times,

967
00:53:22.639 --> 00:53:24.480
you have to care about the villain as much as

968
00:53:24.480 --> 00:53:26.880
you care about the hero. Yes, So if you don't,

969
00:53:26.880 --> 00:53:28.360
then you're not you're not going to invest in them,

970
00:53:28.360 --> 00:53:31.239
You're not invest in the movie. Right, I'm totally invested

971
00:53:31.239 --> 00:53:34.679
in Unforgiven. I love every bit of it. It's so good,

972
00:53:35.519 --> 00:53:39.239
you know, But let's move on our number two pick.

973
00:53:40.000 --> 00:53:42.559
You know, we talked about Gene not being the first

974
00:53:42.639 --> 00:53:47.440
choice for Captain Ramsey and Crimson tide Amber. He was

975
00:53:47.480 --> 00:53:51.480
the sixth choice to play this role, and even after

976
00:53:51.519 --> 00:53:54.960
he got it, he was widely regarded as being miscast.

977
00:53:55.519 --> 00:54:00.039
Oh my gosh, yeah, when I have the clue.

978
00:54:00.400 --> 00:54:02.280
Yeah, because I think I know what it is, but

979
00:54:02.320 --> 00:54:03.159
I didn't know that.

980
00:54:03.440 --> 00:54:08.320
Okay, Well, of this particular role, Hackman said, quote, I

981
00:54:08.400 --> 00:54:11.840
found out very quickly that I am not a violent person,

982
00:54:12.639 --> 00:54:15.440
and these cops are surrounded by violence all the time.

983
00:54:16.280 --> 00:54:18.119
There were a couple of days when I wanted to

984
00:54:18.159 --> 00:54:21.239
get out of the picture. How about now, Well.

985
00:54:21.159 --> 00:54:24.000
I already tested twice, But I think it's the French connection.

986
00:54:24.400 --> 00:54:26.760
I think this time you play your fringe connection card.

987
00:54:26.800 --> 00:54:30.639
We're we're talking about Jimmy Popeye Doyle in the French connection.

988
00:54:34.840 --> 00:54:38.000
All right, Popeyes here, get your hands on your hands,

989
00:54:38.119 --> 00:54:39.239
get off the barn, get on.

990
00:54:39.199 --> 00:54:40.840
The wall, come on, move.

991
00:54:42.360 --> 00:54:46.920
What's my name? Doyle? What mister Doyle? Come here?

992
00:54:47.480 --> 00:54:50.719
You pick your feet, you get over, get your hands

993
00:54:50.719 --> 00:54:51.199
on your head.

994
00:54:52.199 --> 00:54:53.679
We told your people are coming back.

995
00:54:53.960 --> 00:54:56.320
We're gonna keep coming back here until you clean his bar,

996
00:54:56.840 --> 00:54:57.920
keep your eye on your neighbor.

997
00:54:58.519 --> 00:54:59.920
All right, come over here, come.

998
00:55:01.559 --> 00:55:05.519
Who that's what I call you? You? Uh? When when's

999
00:55:05.559 --> 00:55:09.960
the oscar for it? I mean the French Connection masterpiece,

1000
00:55:10.159 --> 00:55:11.800
William Freakin's masterpiece.

1001
00:55:11.880 --> 00:55:14.119
Right, yes, yes, for sure.

1002
00:55:15.199 --> 00:55:18.039
I for the longest time, you know, again I'm watching

1003
00:55:18.079 --> 00:55:22.280
this movie. You know, as a much younger person, always

1004
00:55:22.440 --> 00:55:28.239
confused by by Popeye's you know catchphrase, you know they

1005
00:55:28.320 --> 00:55:31.000
want to talk about, Yeah you ever pick your feet

1006
00:55:31.000 --> 00:55:35.760
and kept saying I could never figure out what that meant.

1007
00:55:35.800 --> 00:55:38.960
I always it always confused me. And then I finally,

1008
00:55:39.079 --> 00:55:43.119
years later, I found out that what it was doing

1009
00:55:43.159 --> 00:55:47.159
to me was the whole purpose of the catchphrase. It

1010
00:55:47.199 --> 00:55:51.480
was it was something that Popeye was doing when they

1011
00:55:51.480 --> 00:55:55.440
were like questioning a suspect, you know, Roy Scheider's like

1012
00:55:55.480 --> 00:55:59.760
the good cop, you know, asking the straight questions. Popeye

1013
00:55:59.880 --> 00:56:04.519
is asking these weird, strange questions all to throw the

1014
00:56:04.559 --> 00:56:07.480
guy off off off base, like not know what to think,

1015
00:56:07.719 --> 00:56:10.880
you know, and confuse him so that he then would

1016
00:56:10.960 --> 00:56:13.280
give give up the truth, you know, he would he

1017
00:56:13.320 --> 00:56:15.519
would then you know, like, what what did he just say?

1018
00:56:15.519 --> 00:56:17.320
And then rud Scheider says something and you're like, yeah,

1019
00:56:17.400 --> 00:56:19.480
and you just answer because.

1020
00:56:19.639 --> 00:56:22.159
I can't answer, because I can't answer this. What are

1021
00:56:22.199 --> 00:56:23.000
you talking about?

1022
00:56:23.239 --> 00:56:25.599
The whole idea behind the behind the line it was

1023
00:56:26.000 --> 00:56:29.599
to confuse people when you're when you're being questioned. It

1024
00:56:29.599 --> 00:56:32.239
was actually it was it was something that you know,

1025
00:56:32.719 --> 00:56:34.920
they picked up on, like when they were doing research

1026
00:56:34.960 --> 00:56:36.679
for the film. It's like a real thing that that

1027
00:56:36.960 --> 00:56:39.519
you know, police detective had once done or used to do.

1028
00:56:40.440 --> 00:56:45.760
Just a weird CATCHPHRASEO right, yeah, yeah, it's uh man,

1029
00:56:45.840 --> 00:56:48.519
this movie it feels like maybe.

1030
00:56:48.559 --> 00:56:54.119
You're really on like a cop beat, like a cop

1031
00:56:54.239 --> 00:56:57.159
steak out whatever, like because this is the seventies in

1032
00:56:57.239 --> 00:56:57.639
New York.

1033
00:56:57.880 --> 00:56:59.000
This is exactly what it.

1034
00:56:58.880 --> 00:57:02.239
Was, like dirty and they're shooting without permit. It's like

1035
00:57:02.239 --> 00:57:03.119
they like, this is one of.

1036
00:57:03.079 --> 00:57:04.920
The greatest garbage everywhere.

1037
00:57:05.679 --> 00:57:08.480
It's one of the greatest car chases ever. Yes, And

1038
00:57:08.519 --> 00:57:11.199
it wasn't like they had the roads blocked off and like,

1039
00:57:11.239 --> 00:57:13.239
you know, you see a couple of accidents, like people

1040
00:57:13.239 --> 00:57:17.239
getting banged into it's that shit was real. Freaking's off

1041
00:57:17.280 --> 00:57:19.159
the chart. You know, he's he's gonna freaking's gonna do

1042
00:57:19.159 --> 00:57:22.079
what freaking wants. Yeah he doesn't, I know he doesn't.

1043
00:57:22.119 --> 00:57:24.639
But by the way, we're we're gonna be talking about

1044
00:57:24.679 --> 00:57:28.239
him later this month. Uh, we get a little bit

1045
00:57:28.239 --> 00:57:30.559
closer to March madness. You know, the end of the tournament,

1046
00:57:30.559 --> 00:57:34.840
we're gonna be talking about blue chips. So oh, be

1047
00:57:34.920 --> 00:57:37.800
ready for that one. We're gonna take one last break,

1048
00:57:38.480 --> 00:57:43.679
a quick one, and then we've got honorable mentions, yes,

1049
00:57:43.800 --> 00:57:47.239
mentions plural, and the number one pick when we when

1050
00:57:47.280 --> 00:57:54.199
we return welcome back amber. Before we talk about our

1051
00:57:54.280 --> 00:57:56.880
choice for number one, I think it's only fair that

1052
00:57:56.920 --> 00:58:02.599
we briefly mention a few honorable men. There were actually three.

1053
00:58:02.679 --> 00:58:05.199
When you looked at all these lists you're compiling all

1054
00:58:05.199 --> 00:58:08.519
this data that that got thrown at me, there were

1055
00:58:08.599 --> 00:58:14.079
three performances that tied across all the voting, and well,

1056
00:58:14.119 --> 00:58:17.360
I want to you know, you know me, I'm going

1057
00:58:17.440 --> 00:58:19.039
to give you one honorable mention. I'm not going to

1058
00:58:19.079 --> 00:58:21.559
give you this this nonsense. Whe It's like, well I

1059
00:58:21.639 --> 00:58:24.719
got five honorable mentions. No, no, you don't get one.

1060
00:58:25.400 --> 00:58:28.480
But listen, I think each of them deserves a nod.

1061
00:58:29.800 --> 00:58:32.679
You want to take any guesses before I mentioned them again.

1062
00:58:32.719 --> 00:58:34.639
We're gonna be brief, but any guesses as to what

1063
00:58:35.000 --> 00:58:35.960
these three might be.

1064
00:58:37.800 --> 00:58:39.679
Well, one of them is going to have to be

1065
00:58:39.719 --> 00:58:44.480
The blind Man from Young Frankenstein. Yes, the blind Man

1066
00:58:44.519 --> 00:58:47.119
and just knowing the boys that I'm dealing with, I

1067
00:58:47.199 --> 00:58:50.000
know you all had it on a list someone.

1068
00:58:50.440 --> 00:58:53.480
Such a listen it. It didn't make everyone's list, but

1069
00:58:53.719 --> 00:58:55.679
a lot of people had tagged at the end of

1070
00:58:55.679 --> 00:58:57.800
it like, hey, listen, if there's an Honora mention, I

1071
00:58:57.840 --> 00:59:01.880
would say, yes, you know the blind Man and Young Frankens.

1072
00:59:02.039 --> 00:59:06.079
It's such a quick moment in the movie. But Jane

1073
00:59:06.280 --> 00:59:13.199
is hilarious, right, And coincidentally, all three of the of

1074
00:59:13.239 --> 00:59:16.440
the honorable mentions are comedic roles. So that'll give you

1075
00:59:16.440 --> 00:59:17.440
a clue if you want to, if you want to

1076
00:59:17.440 --> 00:59:18.679
take a second get if you want if you want

1077
00:59:18.679 --> 00:59:22.960
to try and get the other two, any any ideas well?

1078
00:59:23.039 --> 00:59:27.880
Mine was Lowell from Postcards from the Edge, but I

1079
00:59:27.880 --> 00:59:29.039
don't think anybody else.

1080
00:59:29.840 --> 00:59:34.000
I'm good. I will reveal to everyone you were the

1081
00:59:34.000 --> 00:59:36.239
only person to write Postcards on the Edge, and that's

1082
00:59:36.280 --> 00:59:38.440
and that's fair. That's fine because I can tell you

1083
00:59:39.280 --> 00:59:43.599
there were like nine twelve other movies that got a

1084
00:59:43.719 --> 00:59:46.159
mentioned on someone's list, and I was like, oh, that's

1085
00:59:46.159 --> 00:59:47.360
a good one, but no one else is going to

1086
00:59:47.400 --> 00:59:51.400
pick that, you know, so the other two were looking

1087
00:59:51.440 --> 00:59:52.599
at comedy.

1088
00:59:53.559 --> 00:59:55.119
Royal ten of bombs, Royal.

1089
00:59:54.920 --> 00:59:57.679
Ten of bombs. Yeah, he wins, he wins the globe

1090
00:59:57.679 --> 01:00:01.320
for I was honestly, I was a little I was

1091
01:00:01.400 --> 01:00:07.000
hurt and a little surprised. Initially no one is talking

1092
01:00:07.199 --> 01:00:09.840
Royal ten of bombs and that was on my list.

1093
01:00:10.000 --> 01:00:13.000
I think it's one of his best for a long time.

1094
01:00:13.119 --> 01:00:15.800
I had to, like you said, it's it's tough to

1095
01:00:16.119 --> 01:00:18.920
cut down to ten, but right this is one of

1096
01:00:18.960 --> 01:00:22.119
my This is absolutely this is my favorite Wes Anderson film.

1097
01:00:22.400 --> 01:00:26.719
It's one of my favorite Gene Hackman roles. His Royal

1098
01:00:26.800 --> 01:00:30.679
is such a schemer and a dreamer. I love the moment,

1099
01:00:30.719 --> 01:00:33.440
like when he's trying to connect with his grandsons and

1100
01:00:33.920 --> 01:00:37.000
you know, and then he's like telling, he's sharing stories,

1101
01:00:37.000 --> 01:00:41.760
He's he's trying to romance Angelica Houston. There's so many

1102
01:00:41.920 --> 01:00:45.960
amazing Gene Hackman things happened in this one movie. Anyone,

1103
01:00:46.039 --> 01:00:47.719
if you have not seen The Royal ten and Bombs,

1104
01:00:48.400 --> 01:00:50.719
I promise you it's it's one not to be missed.

1105
01:00:50.760 --> 01:00:53.559
And it's one of Gene Hackman's best roles. I'm glad.

1106
01:00:53.559 --> 01:00:57.400
I'm glad it made honorable mention at least God one more.

1107
01:00:57.400 --> 01:01:00.599
For you, Amber, and it's any one too.

1108
01:01:01.400 --> 01:01:04.159
It's a it's a comedic role, and it's Gene Hackman

1109
01:01:04.199 --> 01:01:06.960
being a little sleazy, being a little smarmy, being a

1110
01:01:07.000 --> 01:01:11.719
little silly. Based based I'll give you. I'll give you

1111
01:01:11.719 --> 01:01:14.519
this hint real quick, based off an Elmore Leonard novel.

1112
01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:16.920
Oh, gets Shorty?

1113
01:01:17.320 --> 01:01:20.079
Yeah, talk about Harry zim and get Shorty? Oh?

1114
01:01:20.119 --> 01:01:21.320
I forgot about that one.

1115
01:01:21.719 --> 01:01:23.559
When you when you think about him being a tough

1116
01:01:23.599 --> 01:01:25.239
guy for most of his career and then him just

1117
01:01:25.280 --> 01:01:27.559
getting the shit kicked out of him throughout this movie,

1118
01:01:28.440 --> 01:01:32.440
it's hilarious. I love it. But uh, and now we

1119
01:01:32.599 --> 01:01:38.199
arrive at the role that we collectively feel is our favorite. Amber.

1120
01:01:39.280 --> 01:01:42.119
You don't need any clues because you already know what

1121
01:01:42.239 --> 01:01:42.800
it must be.

1122
01:01:43.639 --> 01:01:43.920
Yep.

1123
01:01:43.960 --> 01:01:46.320
But let me share two fun little clues with you

1124
01:01:46.360 --> 01:01:48.920
and the listeners, because I'm sure they know they know

1125
01:01:49.039 --> 01:01:51.840
what's about to hit two. It's a role he initially

1126
01:01:51.840 --> 01:01:55.760
refused on the grounds that he didn't want to shave

1127
01:01:55.840 --> 01:02:01.119
his mustache off for so the director Richard Donner made

1128
01:02:01.199 --> 01:02:05.679
him a deal that he too would shave his mustache off.

1129
01:02:06.440 --> 01:02:10.280
Hackman agrees, only to discover that Donner had worn a

1130
01:02:10.360 --> 01:02:13.159
fake mustache that he peeled off at the last moment.

1131
01:02:13.880 --> 01:02:17.360
And this, you know it's Hackman went up was on

1132
01:02:17.760 --> 01:02:19.480
records saying, you know, I kind of respected him for

1133
01:02:19.480 --> 01:02:22.800
that as kind of a it's a cool move, you know.

1134
01:02:22.880 --> 01:02:26.320
And while he did concede on the mustache, he flat

1135
01:02:26.360 --> 01:02:30.000
out refused to shave his head, which led him to

1136
01:02:30.039 --> 01:02:33.760
having multiple hairstyles in this film, the idea being that

1137
01:02:33.800 --> 01:02:36.800
the character's vanity called for him to wear different wigs,

1138
01:02:37.639 --> 01:02:39.320
and Hackman didn't even like the idea of wearing a

1139
01:02:39.360 --> 01:02:43.679
bald cap during the ending. So, Amber, what is the

1140
01:02:43.800 --> 01:02:50.199
number one most favorite film role for you, me, and

1141
01:02:50.199 --> 01:02:51.440
and most of us listening?

1142
01:02:51.920 --> 01:02:55.880
The greatest criminal mind of our time? Lex Luthor.

1143
01:02:57.719 --> 01:03:00.159
So problem.

1144
01:03:00.679 --> 01:03:03.800
Everything west of this line is the richest, most expensive

1145
01:03:03.800 --> 01:03:04.760
real estate in the world.

1146
01:03:05.000 --> 01:03:07.239
San Diego, Los Angeles, San Francisco.

1147
01:03:07.840 --> 01:03:10.199
Everything on this side of the line is just hundreds

1148
01:03:10.199 --> 01:03:13.320
and hundreds of miles of worthless desert land, which just

1149
01:03:13.360 --> 01:03:14.599
so happens to be owned.

1150
01:03:14.320 --> 01:03:17.360
By Alex Bluetor Incorporated.

1151
01:03:18.599 --> 01:03:23.559
Now, call me foolish, call me here responsibly. It occurs

1152
01:03:23.599 --> 01:03:27.000
to me that the five hundred megaton bomb planet at

1153
01:03:27.119 --> 01:03:32.199
just a proper point would destroy most of California. Millions

1154
01:03:32.199 --> 01:03:33.440
of innocent people would be killed.

1155
01:03:33.880 --> 01:03:36.000
The West Coast as we know it would fall into

1156
01:03:36.079 --> 01:03:36.400
the sea.

1157
01:03:37.719 --> 01:03:42.480
Bye Bye California, Hello New West Coast, My West Coast.

1158
01:03:45.320 --> 01:03:53.119
Costa de Lex, Lutherville, Marina Delex, Odisburg, Odisburg, Bosts, Mantraka.

1159
01:03:53.400 --> 01:03:55.239
She's got her own place, Otisburg.

1160
01:03:55.800 --> 01:03:58.400
It's a little bitty place, Otisburg.

1161
01:04:00.119 --> 01:04:03.000
Think about all the people, all the actors that have

1162
01:04:03.039 --> 01:04:07.280
played Lex Luthor, whether it's whether you're talking Clancy Brown

1163
01:04:07.400 --> 01:04:12.199
voicing him in the animated series, or Michael Rosenbaum or

1164
01:04:12.559 --> 01:04:16.400
Kevin Spacey. There's so many talented actors that have taken

1165
01:04:16.400 --> 01:04:18.880
on this role, and I think it's fair to say

1166
01:04:18.920 --> 01:04:22.679
that every single one of them looked at the blueprint

1167
01:04:22.679 --> 01:04:25.679
that that Gene Hackman provided for him.

1168
01:04:26.079 --> 01:04:26.800
Absolutely.

1169
01:04:26.920 --> 01:04:32.760
I think even the comics started to change Lex after

1170
01:04:33.159 --> 01:04:38.039
that movie, because in that DNA of that performance is

1171
01:04:38.440 --> 01:04:40.599
like Lex Luthor for President later on.

1172
01:04:40.719 --> 01:04:44.559
M h, You're absolutely right, and the way Hackman portrays

1173
01:04:44.599 --> 01:04:48.320
the character, I'm sorry, even as a little kid loving you,

1174
01:04:48.440 --> 01:04:51.360
I'm one of the biggest Superman fans you'll ever meet.

1175
01:04:51.599 --> 01:04:56.039
And even as a little kid watching Superman, I didn't

1176
01:04:56.400 --> 01:05:00.000
dislike Lex Luthor. I mean, you know you're supposed to be. No. Yeah,

1177
01:05:00.079 --> 01:05:04.760
he's so charismatic, and even when he's being cruel, like

1178
01:05:04.840 --> 01:05:10.519
the the just his lines where he's berating otis played

1179
01:05:10.559 --> 01:05:14.320
by Ned Beattie, it's it's too good, you know, It's

1180
01:05:14.480 --> 01:05:18.760
just it's just too good, you know. The the gorgeous,

1181
01:05:18.800 --> 01:05:22.480
the lovely uh Valley Prime friend friend of our friend

1182
01:05:22.480 --> 01:05:27.119
of ours. Yes, her her banter with with Gene Hackman

1183
01:05:27.320 --> 01:05:30.920
as Miss test Macher just legendary, you know, and uh,

1184
01:05:31.119 --> 01:05:33.440
it's funny. I was like, there's things that you think about,

1185
01:05:33.440 --> 01:05:38.280
like like Gene, you know, he clearly remembered being fourteen

1186
01:05:38.280 --> 01:05:40.920
when his father left left home and didn't come back,

1187
01:05:41.360 --> 01:05:43.119
you know. And then in Superman you've got him saying,

1188
01:05:43.199 --> 01:05:45.440
I remember one of the one of the most important

1189
01:05:45.440 --> 01:05:47.000
things my father said to me. And she's like, get out,

1190
01:05:47.559 --> 01:05:50.840
he asked. It's like, you guys thought, was it in

1191
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the script or was that like an ad lib where

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we're just getting a little too close to home. I

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don't know, but I don't care who is in the

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scene with him. He I mean he he has control

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of the set.

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Yeah, well and Superman walking around. Yeah.

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He He goes from being terrifying to charming in like

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a second. Like the first thing we see him do

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is murder somebody.

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Yeah, he murders a murders the police chief or a

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police detective. And it's funny because he's making fun of

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of Otis. And then and then he murders this guy

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and you know, Miss test Mark, that's sick. You know,

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he's like, you know, even when he doesn't speak, like

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01:06:31.239 --> 01:06:34.039
he lays out his planet a Superman with the with

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the missiles, you know, one one head and the Hackensack,

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New Jersey and miss test Mocker relax, my my mother

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lives in Hackensack. And he looks at his watch and

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looks back at just shakes his not like how devious, dude,

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but you know like that's that's your lady, and you're

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gonna murder her mom? Like come on.

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Well, then in two when he sees like the most

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terrifying aspect Superman is what if we lose control of him?

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Which is not something I would ever consider. But my

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son is a huge Batman.

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Fans I've heard about this a lot.

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But so you get three super villains that show up

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and Lex sees it as an opportunity, like, yeah, I'm

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throwing in with you, guys.

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I hope you defeat this boy.

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Scout think of it, Miss test Smunker, not one, but three, three,

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all with his powers and it's it's great the way Australia,

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01:07:34.920 --> 01:07:39.000
the way he plays both sides though, like when he's

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over his head and Superman shows back up with his powers.

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Thank god, I mean getting so good.

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I was nothing made happier than seeing Lex Luthor at

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the top of just about everybody's list. I'll tell you this.

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He wasn't he wasn't number one for everybody, but he

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01:08:00.960 --> 01:08:04.920
was on every single list that we got, and typically

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it was like within the top three spots.

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Yeah, he was number two for me just because Mississippi

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Burning is such an amazing movie. It is and that

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01:08:12.639 --> 01:08:17.039
performance is like seared into my brain. So I had

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to put that at number one, believe it or not.

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But uh yeah, Lex is definitely if he's not one's.

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Too overall, Amber, are you are you happy with this list?

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This this top ten that we collected.

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It was it was a really fun list and you know,

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01:08:35.520 --> 01:08:37.319
I've got some things that I haven't seen that I

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get to watch.

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01:08:38.439 --> 01:08:41.560
I gotta tell you, I'm I'm impressed with I thought

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01:08:41.560 --> 01:08:43.000
I would have to coach you and help you a

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01:08:43.000 --> 01:08:45.840
little bit more with with guessing, and you you only

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01:08:45.840 --> 01:08:46.359
missed two.

1245
01:08:47.199 --> 01:08:49.159
Well, you know, I am the VARIAONEE of the group.

1246
01:08:49.199 --> 01:08:51.560
I want one hundred percent. So I'm disappointed.

1247
01:08:52.119 --> 01:08:53.880
Well, you know, I.

1248
01:08:53.760 --> 01:08:57.039
Was not perfect, but it was fun. You had great.

1249
01:08:57.079 --> 01:09:00.239
It was fun. Thank you, Thank You're difficult.

1250
01:09:00.560 --> 01:09:01.479
They were challenging I.

1251
01:09:01.399 --> 01:09:03.560
Had, I had it. Well, you're you're the voice of

1252
01:09:03.560 --> 01:09:04.920
the reason. I knew I had to challenge you. But

1253
01:09:04.960 --> 01:09:08.159
I also wanted to challenge our listeners. I know it's

1254
01:09:08.159 --> 01:09:10.640
always fun when you listen to a certain show and

1255
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you get to play along and kind of guess before

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they can give it to you. So I thought, we

1257
01:09:14.840 --> 01:09:16.800
don't typically do that, but I thought, let's let's do

1258
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it one time. Let's let's say do it over.

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01:09:18.680 --> 01:09:22.359
I'm surely you can't be serious. And I'm always like screaming.

1260
01:09:21.920 --> 01:09:25.119
Oh gosh, I listened to them in the car and

1261
01:09:25.119 --> 01:09:27.279
I'll be screaming at the radio.

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01:09:27.079 --> 01:09:30.840
Like they just came back. They just they just came back.

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01:09:30.880 --> 01:09:35.359
Their new season started and they did top five songs

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01:09:35.359 --> 01:09:36.199
in nineteen eighty five.

1265
01:09:36.520 --> 01:09:38.000
Oh, I haven't listened to that one yet.

1266
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It's it's great, Okay, I won't spoil it for you,

1267
01:09:40.000 --> 01:09:41.960
but it is a good one. And I was like,

1268
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you know, to you know a couple of them, like

1269
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I'm getting it immediately, yes, And then there's there's like

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01:09:47.159 --> 01:09:49.560
two I'm like, I have never heard of those songs?

1271
01:09:49.920 --> 01:09:52.800
What you know? But then I'm like, I don't know.

1272
01:09:52.840 --> 01:09:56.439
They're all over the map. I love those guys. Listeners,

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01:09:56.920 --> 01:10:00.199
what do you think of Gene Hackman's film roles? Did

1274
01:10:00.199 --> 01:10:03.079
we mention all your favorites? Did we omit any of

1275
01:10:03.079 --> 01:10:05.640
your favorites? You can let us know on social media.

1276
01:10:05.680 --> 01:10:08.880
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01:10:08.920 --> 01:10:11.199
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1278
01:10:11.239 --> 01:10:13.119
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1279
01:10:13.279 --> 01:10:16.279
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01:10:16.319 --> 01:10:18.880
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1281
01:10:18.880 --> 01:10:22.640
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1282
01:10:22.680 --> 01:10:25.479
read your response on the show and send you some

1283
01:10:25.600 --> 01:10:29.199
of a film by swag. Amber. Again, thank you for

1284
01:10:29.279 --> 01:10:32.800
joining me for this very special bonus episode. I knew

1285
01:10:32.800 --> 01:10:33.960
We're gonna have a lot of fun. And I knew

1286
01:10:33.960 --> 01:10:36.560
it was gonna be a lot of fun talking with you.

1287
01:10:37.199 --> 01:10:40.039
Oh yeah, it's my pleasure. This was a great way

1288
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to honor a really great actor.

1289
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I agree, and uh. We'd also like to thank our

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01:10:45.479 --> 01:10:50.119
friends that contributed to this episode. Jason Colvin of the

1291
01:10:50.159 --> 01:10:53.760
show You Can't Be Serious podcast, John Reid of the

1292
01:10:53.960 --> 01:10:58.239
thirty somethingter Movie podcast, Chuck Bryan of the Cinematic Flashback

1293
01:10:58.319 --> 01:11:03.840
podcast podcast, as personality and host of the limited Apples

1294
01:11:03.840 --> 01:11:08.640
and Oranges podcast, Our friend def Dave, my friend and

1295
01:11:08.840 --> 01:11:12.560
listener of the show, Brandon Beach, who is quite the

1296
01:11:12.600 --> 01:11:18.760
Gene Hackman film fan and the co founder an original

1297
01:11:18.800 --> 01:11:21.760
co host of a film by podcast, the one and

1298
01:11:21.800 --> 01:11:25.840
only Brad Kozo. We thank each and every one of you,

1299
01:11:26.560 --> 01:11:28.680
and to all of you listening to the show, following

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us on social media, and subscribing to our Patreon, we

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certainly thank you,