Dec. 2, 2024

George Lucas - THX 1138

George Lucas - THX 1138
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Season 5A Film By...

Jeff and Andrew dive into the strange, directorial debut of George Lucas with their discussion about the dystopian future sci-fi thriller, THX 1138!

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I'm gonna throw some titles at you, all right, and

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and when you get the theme, you just you just

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you just let me know, okay, all right? Children of Men,

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the Matrix, a clockwork, Orange, Wally Blade.

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Runners, yeah, or at least near future sci.

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Fi, you know, dystopian future, right if?

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Hell yeah?

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Okay, somebody ask it if I didn't say the title already?

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Do you do you have a go to a favorite

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dystopian future type movie.

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It's a tough I mean, I love the genre, so

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it's hard to say it, but you you actually said

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it right out of the gate. Children of Men is

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one of my one of my favorites sta all time,

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not even just in that genre, just period.

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I should know that because a long time ago you

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were I remember you called me up and be like,

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hey man, what are you guys gonna do? Children of Men?

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And I had never even seen it. I was like that,

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I'll look at it, and then I ended up loving.

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It, and we did.

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We did an episode a couple of seasons ago on that,

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so we have you to thank it for that one.

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As I recall, you're welcome.

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Well, on that note, I do want to talk about

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another dystopian future film. So let's talk about a film

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by George Lucas, his nineteen seventy one underrated dystopian sci

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fi film THX one one three eight. Hello everybody, I'm

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Jeff Johnson and I'm Andrew Blakeley, and this.

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Is a film by podcast.

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Let me begin by saying thank you, not only to

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you Andrew, but to Amber Lewis. I took a little

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vacation and you guys stepped in. Last couple of weeks,

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Amber had a great episode with our.

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Friend def Dave.

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They talked about the fortieth anniversary of the Tom Sellick

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dystopian future classic Runaway. And then our friend Chuck Bryan

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from Cinematic Flashback podcast stop by you Guys had an

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excellent conversation about a film called Sunshine Danny Boyle film.

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Yeah, also futurists near Future. I wouldn't say ystopian, maybe

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more apocalyptic. But we're on a really good sci fi

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kick right now. I'm loving it.

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We're on a Yeah, we're in a really dark sci

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fi kick lately kick kicking it off to kick it

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off December with another, yet another one. But I have

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a feeling we're gonna we're gonna make a shift towards

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some other more appropriate films here soon enough. And you know,

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before we get going, I gotta say thank you to

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two other gentlemen new to our Patreon, filmmaker Nile Garcia,

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who we had the privilege of talking about his upcoming

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horror Christmas horror themed film Catnip not too long ago.

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Nile liked what he was hearing and he said, I'm

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gonna check out your Patreon as well, so we thank

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you for that. And longtime listener of the show, Kevin Davis,

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has just jumped into the world of Patreon.

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So Kevin, welcome to our Patreon.

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I promise you were gonna love the stuff we got

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going on over there. Last month, we just had a

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fairly large video episode with our friend def Dave celebrating

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the fortieth anniversary of yet another nineteen eighty four film,

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Read Dawn.

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That one was a lot of fun.

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So Dave, if you're listening, I can't thank you enough

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for your participation in that.

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Andrew, you are the go to guy on our Patreon

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for the for two series.

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So I know we've got some fun stuff for this

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month planned as well.

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I'm looking forward to it.

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Well, let's talk about THHX eleven thirty eight Andrew For

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the people out there that maybe have not seen this film,

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because up until recently I was one of them. Can

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you tell us a little bit about this film?

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What you know? You got a synopsis for us.

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In the future, mankind lives in vast underground cities, and

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free will is outlawed by means of mandatory medication that

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controls human emotion. But when thchx one one three eight

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and lu H three four one seven stop taking their meds,

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they wake up to the bleak reality of their own

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existence and fall in love with each other in the process.

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But love is also illegal in the sorwelly and dystopia,

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and the act of making love has made both of

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them outlaws on the run from an army of robotic police.

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A world where consumption is key, free thought, sexual activity

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is outlawed. It does not get much more dystopian in

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this man.

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Yeah, it's uh, it's pretty dark. You know there's a

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we You mentioned some other great dystopias uh in film.

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I think so many of them owe credit to this movie. Uh,

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and it gets referenced all the time. I tried to

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make a list of all the times you know, you

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see one one three eight in movies or reference to

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books or TV shows, and it got overwhelming. There's too

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many because this is a foundation of dystopia that everything

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else is built on.

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Well, it's all over the Star Wars universe.

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Yeah, and you know, whether it's dialogue or it's it's signage.

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Prisoner transfer from cell block one one three eight.

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There you go. Yeah.

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I also I love he does it in almost everyone

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knows movies in uh Raiders on the submarine. As he's

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going there's go down. You hear the voice say, heints,

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heint that. I ah, just Germany for one one three eight.

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The way this film opens, first off, it's a little

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little strange because we get this this teaser for Buck

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Rogers in the twenty fifth century.

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I did some digging because I'm watching the whole time

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I'm watching the movie, I'm like, why why did that happen?

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I did?

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I did a little, did a little homework for you.

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So he included the trailer to Tragedy on Saturn, chapter

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two of Buck Rogers, which was from.

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Nineteen thirty nine.

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He attempted he wanted to draw an ironic contrast between

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the swashbuckling Rogers in the twenty fifth century and the

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title character in his Bleak science fiction debut because each

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was quote, just an ordinary normal human being who keeps

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his wits about him. He also saw it as an

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homage to the kinds of science fiction stories he loved

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growing up. This is his directorial film debut, and I

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liked that right out the gates. He's showing love to

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the movies that made him fall in love with movies.

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Yeah, and I mean, obviously, you know, we know now

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we can see that in his later work. Is He

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Star Words to See Indiana Jones, et cetera. It's very

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clear that Buck Rogers' mentality infiltrated a lot of his work.

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But this is a very different sci fi than what

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we get from him later in his career. It's this

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you can tell it's a directorial debut because it definitely

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has a lot of what I would call film school vibes,

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kind of thing you expect a student to make. Not

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in a bad way. I think it does a great job,

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but it's a very very different film than we're used

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to from Lucas.

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Yeah, this feels very to your point, it is, it

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does feel like a student film.

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In a sense, it's it's very avant garde.

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It's it's taken chances with with some of the camera setups,

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with some of the the dialogue. It's just it's it's

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out there.

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It's a little yeah.

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But it's like the audio too. This is something that

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I remember because I first saw this years ago. It

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had been mentioned when I was in a film class,

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and I was like, you know, I've never seen it.

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It's Lucas, I'll check it out. So I was reading

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a lot about it years ago, and he was very

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actively making sure that the dialogue or the sound didn't

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match with what we're watching on screen, which was a

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homage to some Canadian filmmakers that he liked. He liked

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the avant garde nature of it, and he wanted to

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emulate that. And I think that's the thing that we

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see now is a very common film like trope. It's

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kind of a technique of you know, leading you into something.

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But he was really just playing around with it and

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wanted to be avant garde intentionally.

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Whether he cribbed this or he created this.

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I gotta tell you, I love the reverse title sequence

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scroll he does at the beginning whereas it's you know,

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we're accustomed to seeing our titles kind of come from

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the you know, you know, start at the top and

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work their way down. It's coming from the bottom of

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the of the film and scrolling upward.

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But yeah, it's weird. It's like you're watching it backwards.

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Yeah, it's jarring. There's a lot of this movie that's

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very jarring, kind of puts you off kilter in it.

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It kind of puts you off kilter or in a

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state of unease. I feel like he very actively trying

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to keep you feeling uncomfortable in this world.

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I'm feeling uncomfortable the entire time because these these these

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narrative voiceovers in that calm tone where it's consumption is

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being standardized.

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Yeah, it's like, yeah, it's creepy. It's so creepy.

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So yeah, there's there's even times where people are watching

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clearly everybody's being watched at all times. They're watching thhx

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uh and just very casually, very emotionlessly discussing what's happening

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on screen. And that's all we hear. We don't we

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don't hear any of the drama unfolding with Robert Duval

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and it creates this very weird, emotionless attached thing that

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is really unsettling.

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I'll tell you what's unsettling.

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And I know, I know we're kind of jumping ahead

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to to some of the scenes, but I got to

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bring it up. Like he's at work and again with

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these these uh, these narrative voices that are just saying

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terrible things, but just make can you feel like everything's okay?

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I love the you know, there's an accident on one

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of the other levels where he's working that you know

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he wor he works in this this production facility that

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create the the robotic police force, right, and there's a

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radioactive explosion in one of the levels, and meanwhile they're

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just like, you know, stay at your post.

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The accident is being contained. Stay at your post, you know.

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And then the guy at the end of the day.

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You know, it's all about it's like, oh, we've killed

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the two hundred something people have died in that department,

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only hired than something I've died in your department.

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Good for you, Like, yeah, I had I had to

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write it down. Andrew.

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The guy on the on the overhead speaker says, accident

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in red sector L fourteen do not abandon your post.

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That accident destroyed another sixty three.

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Personnel, giving them two hundred and forty two to our

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one hundred and ninety five.

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Keep up the good work and prevent accidents. They're giving

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them this like they're.

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Giving this like positive speech on hey, keep up our

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safety because they're killing a lot more people over there.

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It's it's nuts, man, It's absolutely nuts.

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Yeah. It's a there's so many things that they do

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too to like kind of put you in the state

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where like when he's going to what you would I

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guess call therapy, it's just a voice repeating the tell

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me more, could you be more specific, while there's a

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picture of Jesus in front of them. Yeah, And it's

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just generic therapy language. It's so there's some familiarity to it,

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and that kind of makes it worse somehow.

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Yeah, they've got these confessionals, and yeah, he's in there.

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He's trying to like talk about what's what's really bothering him,

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and and it's just like uh huh, yes, tell me more.

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And it ends with work hard, increased productivity, prevent accidents.

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That's that's the confessional's outgoing message. This place sucks I'm sorry.

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Say what you will about George Lucas, though he's not

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one for subtlety in his in his symbolism or his references.

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A lot of this, you know, when when the police

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ask are you now or have you ever been? Or

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you know, the Jesus imagery, it's it's not subtle. There's

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even a part where th HX sits down after a

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long day of work and he's trying to watch TV

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and he's watching essentially holographic porn and it's dued. It's

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it's wild to watch because it starts with him watching

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this it's clearly a black woman with like African music

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and dancing, which feels very out of place in this sterile,

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homogenized Christian environment. And then as soon as he's done

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with that, he switches over to just watching a police

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officer just beat a man on the ground, just repetitively,

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and he smiles. He's like, cool, this is what I'm

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down for.

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Okay, so let's let's let's we're like, we can't glaze

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over this one because this is another one.

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This is where I was like, holy shit, what what

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is this movie?

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This is nineteen seventy one and this is George Lucas

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like coming right out of school. So let's just set

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this up because because uh, Robert Duvall's character THX eleven

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thirty eight, he comes home from work pretty much ignored,

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like he has a roommate, which.

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Is like a mate so to speak.

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I don't I don't really understand if you're supposed to

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just be a roommate or if there's supposed.

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To be more to it. It's it feels like you're

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just supposed to be roommates.

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But but there's a lot left undefined in this.

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Yeah yeah, l l Uh is there and he kind

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of ignores her. He goes right, typical, typical guy, like.

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Just I can get to the TV.

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I gotta, I gotta, I gotta unwind. It's been a

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long day at work. But he's watching this weird holographic

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like I guess space age porn. And then this this

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masturbatory device comes down.

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And starts just taking care of him like a flight

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like what are we doing here?

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Like?

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And then she comes in and he turns it off.

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It's like there's like the violence channel where the cop

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just beats the guy senseless, and then there's a comedy channel.

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It's it's kind of weird because this is nineteen seventy one,

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this is this is before cable, before we had streaming

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options in like specific channel. So it's like Lucas is

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creating the streaming that we're that we're living in twenty

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twenty four with now visionary.

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I guess you could say.

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Yeah, that's a word for it. It's an unsettling scene,

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but yes, very very prescient. I guess. Yeah.

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Hey, anytime you're watching Robert Duvall enjoy himself, that's that's

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a scene that's gonna be hard to watch.

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It's yeah, And he's so good in this movie. I

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want to talk with him for a second because.

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He's let's let's talk.

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Yeah, let's go back to cast Let's Robert Duvall as

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th HX eleven thirty eight.

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Tell me your thoughts.

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It's it's wild because first off, he's so young, you

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know what I mean. I mean, I guess he's not.

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He's probably forty. But I'm used to seeing super old

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Robert duval, so it's crazy to see him like this,

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and with the shaved head and everything. It's hard to

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say he does a great job simply because the character

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is emotionless for about three quarters of the movie, like

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by definition, but I really like the way that he

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kind of plays the madness. You see a lot of

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what's going on inside him as he's trying to sort

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this out. Even though from a dialogue standpoint, they never

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really explain what's going on with him. You kind to

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see him processing, and I love that. I think it

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takes a lot of talent, especially in such a strange film.

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Well, for him to be so emotionless, so blank, so cold,

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and then kind of have a breakdown as he's off

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his meds. I think you're absolutely right he's doing He's

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doing some amazing work here if we're being honest.

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Yeah, I mean he carries it because again, this movie

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doesn't hold your hand with anything. It doesn't explain what's

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going on. There's not a lot of dialogue to really

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give you much, and he really doesn't talk a lot

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of the movie, or if he does, it's in you know,

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short sentences, so a lot of what he's carrying is

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just through facial expression and body language, and he's he

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keeps you engaged.

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And to clarify, we're talking about the director's cut that

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George Lucas does yes, like what was it two thousand

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and four, two thousand and eight something.

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Yes, Yeah, there's three versions of this movie. The first

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one the one that was released in theaters in seventy one.

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You can't actually find anywhere I've tried. There was a

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re release after, you know, Lucas kind of became big

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with Star Wars, where he added a couple of scenes.

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Seems like there wasn't a whole lot of changes. Again

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I can't confirm, but then yeah, he re released it

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in two thousand and four, updated a lot of the graphics,

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extended some scenes. Generally regarded as a pretty good version.

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That's the one I've always watched. That's the one I

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have the special edition copy of.

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So well, you're talking George Lucas.

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So the idea that you're going to find an earlier

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version of this film, you're not, because you know, you

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and I before we we meant to do this one,

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you said, hey, I've got the director's cut?

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Is that the one you're watching? And I was like,

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I'll see if I can find it.

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And the only one that you can find, whether you're

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trying to rent it or stream it, it's like the

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one I found on Prime is called THHX eleven thirty eight.

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The George Lucas Director's cut is the official wording that

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they use.

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So that's the one that I have the DVD of,

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and I mean it's good. I like it. It's not

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it doesn't have the same hallmarks of when he remastered

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the you Know a New Hope, And there's no ridiculous

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terrible CGI version of you know a fat slug in

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there or anything like that.

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Here's the situation.

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I think it's safe to say because this last one,

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this the current one that's available, is the one where

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he just he was he's kind of cleaning up the CGI.

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He's adding some stuff here and there. It's probably a

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better movie, that's what. That's why I'm looking at it.

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And they they were able to remaster it really, really well.

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It looks beautiful for a movie shot at seventy one.

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It looks so crisp to be.

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Shot, to be shot back then on a on a

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nothing budget. I think it's fantastic.

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Speaking of fantastic, there are not too many actresses in

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nineteen seventy one that are going to do a low

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budget movie where they're required to shave their head yep.

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So Maggie mcooney playing l U h or Low as

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it is in the movie. I feel like maybe she's

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shooting all her scenes in like one day, like.

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She's so scarious.

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Well, you know, we don't see a whole lot of her.

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And I get, you know, I get what happens to her.

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You know, she's she's quote unquote consumed.

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You know, we understand what that means in this movie.

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But like you said, there's not a lot of exposition

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dump on us, which I'm not complaining about, but a

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little might might have been nice.

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Like, like my question is, you know, let's let's talk

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about love.

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She you know, she's the one that is that is

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secretly taking him off his meds so that he can

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feel an emotional response, he can have desires, you know,

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and he can follow her lead into the whole sexual

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into the sectional way. Yeah, thank you, the sexual awakening

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that he's that he's gonna he's gonna come to. But

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how does she get off her meds? And why did

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she think it was okay to take him off his

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It's it's illegal, it's it's a crime to not be medicated.

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Yeah, and her taking him off was a it was

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a bold swing. I don't know, you don't get a

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lot of her character. Like you said, she's not in

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it for long, and we don't really get a lot

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of backstory. I think she's narratively obviously we see the

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need for her, but her character doesn't have any resolution.

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We don't get much from it. And I think that

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that is, you know, I'm a young college graduate, George

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Lucas trying to be experimental. You know, I've got my

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friend Francis Ford Coppolas, got this new you know thing

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that's gonna whatever movie. I want this new film company.

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So I think he's really trying to mess with narrative

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structure and kind of you know, Oh, they're gonna have

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a love story, they're gonna escape together. Nope, never mind,

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you know, she she's gone. Yeah, so yeah, she does

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get kind of done dirty. But I think that, you know,

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it's interesting. I don't love it, but it's interesting.

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Well, so then let's let's talk about another third, our

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third character in this one. Donald pleasants playing sen Yeah, okay, again,

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if we're all medicated, because he's he's a little out there,

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he's he's yeah, if if everyone if everyone is walking

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around at a four he's clearly at like an eleven,

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he's animated.

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He's like, hey, let's be I'm gonna cheat the system

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and we're gonna be my our new roommate.

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And is so funny, like he's such a good choice

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for this because he's always a little off in the

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best way. But I think, you know, to your point

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of you know him also not being medicated. It's sort

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of a as Jeff Goldbloom would say, life found a way.

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You know, it's you know, it doesn't matter how much

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they're trying to control these people. We're still humans and

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we're still going to have anomalies, we're still going to

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break free, We're still going to find something. And I

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think that that's what that is is he's a little crazy,

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he's a little off, and so he doesn't fit in

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that normal role.

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Think think about how horrified you are if you're THHX

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and you have just kind of experienced this whole new

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like I've woke up, I'm not I'm I'm not in

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the matrix anymore. And my roommate wants to just have

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sex all the time. And then Donald Pleasant shows up

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and says, hey, I'm gonna get rid of her. And

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I'm gonna get us reassigned. You could be my new

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roommate and we're gonna that's horrifying to me.

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I don't want to be.

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Hey, doctor Loomis, I don't want to be your roommate.

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Now I've got the hot girl, you know.

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He he gives hardcore cult leader vibes, but like he's

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not good at.

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It though, you know, because you because you just said that,

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I will drop this, uh fun fact here for you.

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We've got all We've got a large cast of extras

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just walking around with shaved heads. And again, not many

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people are willing to do that for like nothing, or

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like a couple bucks in a sandwich. But there's this, uh,

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there's just like this crisis center or you know, rehabilitation

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center nearby where they're shooting where part of it is

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that you have to shave your head to get your treatment.

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I'm not making this up, but man, what's it called?

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It was, uh, it's Sinos or signus or something. But

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all these all these extras are coming by from this

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this rehabilitation center, and later on in life, this rehabilitation

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center becomes like one of the prolific cults in America,

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like dangerous cults.

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Yeah.

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So yeah, the second you started much shaped heads after Colts,

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I wish you could have seen my face just oh no,

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I don't ye.

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As soon as you dropped Cult Leader, I was like,

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oh wait that point of order. A lot of a

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lot of a lot of cult people.

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Were in this film. So but more maybe maybe more

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on that later.

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We'll take a quick break, and when we get back,

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I do want to talk a little bit about this

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film's background and the music. Welcome back, Andrew Blakeley and myself,

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Jeff Johnson talking about George Lucas's directorial debut THHX eleven

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thirty eight. Andrew, I know you mentioned Coppola already, but

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this is the first film for Francis fort Coplo's American

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Zootrope film company.

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Coppola acts as his.

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Mentor and executive producer on this one, you know, and

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I dig the fact that Lucas has said about their

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their relationship probably the most important relationship he's ever had

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in his life.

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Yeah, it seems like that would be a real cool

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time to be sort of a you know, to go

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back in time and be a fly on the wall,

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because not only is Lucas learning.

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Uh.

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Scorsese also spend a lot of time there working with them.

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There's a lot of great directors end up working with

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American zoetrope. And it would have been really cool to

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just see these artists that were young and kind of

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being experimental. Fantastic.

475
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Yeah, late sixties, early seventies, this is the new Hollywood movement.

476
00:24:26.799 --> 00:24:29.839
You got Oliver Stone and Steven Spielberg. All these guys

477
00:24:29.839 --> 00:24:31.960
are like, they're they're new, They're they're new on the scene,

478
00:24:31.960 --> 00:24:34.720
they're coming up, and they're they're kind of banded together

479
00:24:34.720 --> 00:24:36.039
to help each other get their films made.

480
00:24:36.240 --> 00:24:36.680
I love it.

481
00:24:36.680 --> 00:24:43.680
This amazing time uh in Hollywood's history, yep, Andrew The

482
00:24:43.720 --> 00:24:46.759
film gets its name from George's San Francisco phone number

483
00:24:47.519 --> 00:24:51.200
while he was in college. Uh eight four nine one

484
00:24:51.279 --> 00:24:55.039
one three eight, which if you're looking at the eight

485
00:24:55.119 --> 00:24:57.240
four nine that that will spell out THHX.

486
00:24:59.000 --> 00:25:00.119
The short film.

487
00:25:00.200 --> 00:25:03.240
That he did and later this movie were adapted from

488
00:25:03.519 --> 00:25:07.039
a one and a half page outline called Breakout, which

489
00:25:07.119 --> 00:25:12.079
was written by a fellow US student, Matthew Robbins, all

490
00:25:12.079 --> 00:25:16.319
about a man escaping an underground dystopian society. Now, Andrew,

491
00:25:16.400 --> 00:25:19.960
I said the name Matthew Robbins, you didn't exactly perk up.

492
00:25:21.839 --> 00:25:23.039
It's a director we might have to.

493
00:25:22.960 --> 00:25:26.400
Talk about sometime, maybe next season. This is the guy

494
00:25:26.440 --> 00:25:29.759
that directed Corvette Summer in nineteen seventy eight with Mark Hamill,

495
00:25:30.519 --> 00:25:33.960
Dragon Slayer in nineteen eighty one, The Legend of Billy

496
00:25:34.039 --> 00:25:38.799
Jean in nineteen eighty five, and a family Favorite Batteries

497
00:25:38.839 --> 00:25:40.400
not included in nineteen eighty seven.

498
00:25:41.759 --> 00:25:43.319
Okay again, you talk.

499
00:25:43.160 --> 00:25:45.079
About all these guys are hanging out together, they're coming up,

500
00:25:45.119 --> 00:25:47.640
they're coming up together. And so if you're wondering where

501
00:25:48.240 --> 00:25:51.200
THHX eleven thirty eight came from, the guy that directed

502
00:25:51.480 --> 00:25:53.000
Dragon Slayer is responsible.

503
00:25:53.799 --> 00:25:54.759
I would not have called that.

504
00:25:55.240 --> 00:25:55.440
Yeah.

505
00:25:55.880 --> 00:25:58.559
Now, this one, I had to add this because it's

506
00:25:58.599 --> 00:26:00.440
not exactly a fact, but it's a it's a it's

507
00:26:00.440 --> 00:26:01.319
an interesting theory.

508
00:26:01.759 --> 00:26:01.920
Uh.

509
00:26:01.960 --> 00:26:05.559
The co writer on this Walter merch He stated that

510
00:26:05.680 --> 00:26:09.400
although Lucas never explained the origins of the character's names,

511
00:26:10.160 --> 00:26:15.680
he believes that the names th HX, love and sin

512
00:26:16.319 --> 00:26:20.960
are homonyms for sex, love and sin, which is kind

513
00:26:20.960 --> 00:26:23.440
of like the theme of this film, like the three

514
00:26:23.480 --> 00:26:30.720
things that are driving this this because it's actually when.

515
00:26:30.559 --> 00:26:32.960
He comes home she doesn't call out th HX is

516
00:26:32.960 --> 00:26:35.279
that you? She calls him theex yep.

517
00:26:36.039 --> 00:26:40.640
So very interesting. Yeah, yeah, and sen very much. I

518
00:26:40.640 --> 00:26:43.039
remember watching this, I thought his name was Sin for

519
00:26:43.079 --> 00:26:45.880
a while. Yeah, because you know, it sounds so similar.

520
00:26:46.359 --> 00:26:48.960
Yeah, and that's that's just it. Like Lucas has never

521
00:26:49.960 --> 00:26:51.680
never gone on the record about it, but I think

522
00:26:51.680 --> 00:26:54.440
it's an interesting theory. I'm going with it.

523
00:26:55.160 --> 00:26:58.359
Lucas is is not known for subtlety, but he also

524
00:26:58.440 --> 00:27:00.400
he does put a lot. He puts thought into every

525
00:27:00.440 --> 00:27:03.880
single thing, even even background details. You know, we mentioned

526
00:27:03.880 --> 00:27:07.279
earlier that every one of his movies mentions TX one one, three,

527
00:27:07.319 --> 00:27:10.279
eight because every detail like he does on purpose. So

528
00:27:10.359 --> 00:27:12.279
I doubt something like that happens on accident.

529
00:27:13.160 --> 00:27:14.319
Yeah, I'm with you.

530
00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:16.839
I think we got to talk about this film score

531
00:27:17.160 --> 00:27:18.079
by Leila Schiffrin.

532
00:27:19.319 --> 00:27:23.160
It's it's bizarre, but in a good ways.

533
00:27:23.839 --> 00:27:27.519
Yeah, it's very experimental. And one of the things I

534
00:27:27.519 --> 00:27:30.480
really like about this movie is how often there is

535
00:27:30.519 --> 00:27:33.720
no score. You know, they play a lot with sound,

536
00:27:34.119 --> 00:27:37.000
you know, when they're in for lack of a better word,

537
00:27:37.039 --> 00:27:40.960
we'll call it the white room, very echoey, or there's

538
00:27:41.759 --> 00:27:44.160
you hear rumblings in the background and things like that.

539
00:27:44.359 --> 00:27:46.440
So they're playing with a lot of these sounds, and

540
00:27:47.160 --> 00:27:48.880
I think it makes when there is a score, it

541
00:27:48.920 --> 00:27:49.960
makes it much more impactful.

542
00:27:50.359 --> 00:27:54.160
As a result, I actually enjoyed it. Kind of gives

543
00:27:54.200 --> 00:27:59.880
me tron vibes in a way. But I'm happy to

544
00:27:59.880 --> 00:28:06.200
say we do have our resident film score. Historian Wayne

545
00:28:06.240 --> 00:28:09.599
White died. I told him we were doing THHX eleven

546
00:28:09.640 --> 00:28:13.839
thirty eight. He's like, oh, Schiffrin, I could I could

547
00:28:13.839 --> 00:28:15.440
say a few things about Schiffern. I was like, well,

548
00:28:16.119 --> 00:28:19.400
we'd love to have it, so Wayne, take it away.

549
00:28:20.160 --> 00:28:24.039
George Lucas's early film THHX eleven thirty eight is one

550
00:28:24.039 --> 00:28:27.160
of those films that I saw much later, sometime around

551
00:28:27.240 --> 00:28:29.960
two thousand and five. I've always known about it, but

552
00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:32.880
I never got around to seeing the film. I bought

553
00:28:32.880 --> 00:28:35.559
the soundtrack to this film solely on the merit of

554
00:28:35.559 --> 00:28:39.880
its composer, Leyla Scheffrin. Schaeffrin is no stranger to film

555
00:28:40.039 --> 00:28:43.559
and TV scoring. He scored many great and successful films

556
00:28:43.559 --> 00:28:47.559
like Cool Hand, Luke Bullet, Entered The Dragon, Rush Hour,

557
00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:50.079
and if you want to hear me rave on about

558
00:28:50.359 --> 00:28:52.400
how much I love his film work, you can listen

559
00:28:52.400 --> 00:28:55.319
to a film by his podcast for the Amityville Horror

560
00:28:55.359 --> 00:28:58.319
that was released recently. But now let's take a look

561
00:28:58.319 --> 00:29:02.400
at this. At Laila's score to THHS one one three eight,

562
00:29:03.039 --> 00:29:05.799
It's an unusual film, so Leila decided to give it

563
00:29:05.839 --> 00:29:10.279
a very unusual, almost avant garde style, so far different

564
00:29:10.279 --> 00:29:13.480
from anything he had delivered before, and because of that

565
00:29:14.160 --> 00:29:17.920
it works so well in this film. There's so much

566
00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:21.319
to pick out from the score. Leila uses many different

567
00:29:21.359 --> 00:29:25.200
styles and moods of music, from symphonic to electronic, droning,

568
00:29:25.759 --> 00:29:29.119
choir to jazz. It seems like every minute of this

569
00:29:29.200 --> 00:29:33.559
is an incredible listening experience. As I said before, this

570
00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:37.279
is very different from anything he had done before. Unlike

571
00:29:37.359 --> 00:29:39.799
most composers at the time such as John Williams, Jerry

572
00:29:39.799 --> 00:29:42.880
Goldsmith and Alfred Newman, he wasn't writing the music to

573
00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:45.799
tell the story. He was letting the visuals do the

574
00:29:45.880 --> 00:29:48.480
job and his music was just there to enhance the

575
00:29:48.559 --> 00:29:53.960
experience in advance. The main theme, featuring Shiffern's signature use

576
00:29:54.000 --> 00:29:58.359
of electronic music and percussion, perfectly captures the mood of

577
00:29:58.400 --> 00:30:02.640
the film. Other hues, such as this torture sequence, brings

578
00:30:02.640 --> 00:30:06.559
a harsh, droning tone to your ears, complete in contrast

579
00:30:06.559 --> 00:30:09.440
to the next cue on the soundtrack, Love Dream and

580
00:30:09.480 --> 00:30:12.279
the Awakening, which is a sweet and quiet piece with

581
00:30:12.359 --> 00:30:15.319
a single flute playing amongst some random and unique choices

582
00:30:15.319 --> 00:30:18.960
for percussion which end in a more menacing note. And

583
00:30:19.000 --> 00:30:22.279
then finally there's the end credits, titled on the soundtrack

584
00:30:22.359 --> 00:30:25.920
as Saint Matthew's Passion, which starts out as a low

585
00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:30.880
orchestral piece but quickly bursts into beautiful, full choir. THHX

586
00:30:31.400 --> 00:30:34.400
eleven thirty eight never got an LP release back in

587
00:30:34.480 --> 00:30:37.599
nineteen seventy around the film's time, which is not surprising

588
00:30:37.720 --> 00:30:40.000
to the style of music available from the film and

589
00:30:40.039 --> 00:30:43.359
that era's aversion to releasing any soundtrack that dares to

590
00:30:43.400 --> 00:30:47.039
step outside the normal symphonic It finally saw the light

591
00:30:47.880 --> 00:30:51.039
in February of two thousand and three when film Score

592
00:30:51.039 --> 00:30:54.440
Monthly released the first commercial soundtrack for the score, complete

593
00:30:54.480 --> 00:30:57.960
and beautifully remastered in stereo, including music that was never

594
00:30:58.000 --> 00:31:00.319
made it into the finished film I'll remix from the

595
00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:05.200
original Warner Brothers elements. I'll admit the score may not

596
00:31:05.240 --> 00:31:08.640
be everyone's cup of tea, but for those that appreciate

597
00:31:08.680 --> 00:31:11.200
a well known and loved composer trying something different for

598
00:31:11.240 --> 00:31:15.119
a change successfully. In my opinion, this is a score

599
00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:17.920
for you. It's out of print aus of twenty twenty four,

600
00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:19.279
but you still be able to get ahold of a

601
00:31:19.319 --> 00:31:22.319
copy of it in the secondary market. However, I don't

602
00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:24.279
think we'll have to wait too much longer before we

603
00:31:24.319 --> 00:31:25.920
see a re release from one of the Lights.

604
00:31:27.960 --> 00:31:31.920
Wayne as always. Thank you very much, Andrew.

605
00:31:32.759 --> 00:31:35.119
I'm glad that Wayne gave me a chance here because

606
00:31:35.519 --> 00:31:37.960
he's ripping off some of these amazing film scores from

607
00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:41.000
these movies. Yeah, but I had no idea about because

608
00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:44.599
you say the name Lailo Schiffrin and I'm like, I'm

609
00:31:44.599 --> 00:31:46.240
not sure what he did say.

610
00:31:46.319 --> 00:31:48.759
But In the Dragons like probably a top ten movie

611
00:31:48.759 --> 00:31:51.640
for me. I love it. I know the music, Yeah,

612
00:31:51.680 --> 00:31:52.599
now I know the composer.

613
00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:57.359
You know, say Amityville Horror. That movie scared the crap

614
00:31:57.359 --> 00:31:58.559
out of me as a kid. It's got such a

615
00:31:58.599 --> 00:32:00.880
good sound quality. It's such a good like vibe to it.

616
00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:02.200
And I would have never.

617
00:32:02.079 --> 00:32:04.839
Known Wayne as you know, not a big fan of

618
00:32:04.839 --> 00:32:07.359
horror films, but uh, they they had him on a

619
00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:10.839
forty five to do the Amityville Horror earlier this year,

620
00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:12.480
and I think I think one of the one of

621
00:32:12.519 --> 00:32:15.240
the polls was he's a fan of the music. You know,

622
00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:17.680
he mentioned Bullet and you and I have a long.

623
00:32:17.559 --> 00:32:22.559
History of of of Steve McQueen fandom. Absolutely not the

624
00:32:22.599 --> 00:32:25.119
only one that he did for Steve McQueen, though.

625
00:32:25.319 --> 00:32:27.920
He also did the music for the Sinsai Kid, which

626
00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:29.720
you know, I gotta, I gotta bring that one up,

627
00:32:29.759 --> 00:32:32.079
and then pretty much all the all the Dirty Harry movies.

628
00:32:32.119 --> 00:32:34.880
He did Dirty Harry Magnum for Sudden Impact and the Deadpool.

629
00:32:35.640 --> 00:32:38.359
Wow. Yeah, I mean that's some of those sounds are

630
00:32:38.480 --> 00:32:41.559
like iconic too, especially Dirty Hair. I could picture some

631
00:32:41.599 --> 00:32:43.119
of those songs just in my head right now.

632
00:32:43.480 --> 00:32:45.200
Yeah, I can even hear, like for end of the Dragon,

633
00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:48.240
Dirty HAIRRI can hear that waka waka you know noise.

634
00:32:49.279 --> 00:32:50.000
Yeah.

635
00:32:50.200 --> 00:32:52.640
From moving forward, I will I will recognize Leilo Shiffin

636
00:32:52.680 --> 00:32:56.119
for sure. Hell yeah, Andrew, we've talked about a couple

637
00:32:56.240 --> 00:33:02.680
scenes disturbing. They may be already, but before we talk

638
00:33:02.720 --> 00:33:05.920
about what you feel is a pivotal moment, is there

639
00:33:05.920 --> 00:33:07.440
any other scenes that we should we should kind of

640
00:33:07.440 --> 00:33:08.720
address or point out?

641
00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:12.359
Yeah, I mean it there's several shots. I don't even

642
00:33:12.359 --> 00:33:15.640
know how to define it because they're not necessarily scenes,

643
00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:17.319
but there are so many times in this movie I'm

644
00:33:17.359 --> 00:33:20.319
watching it and I'm thinking, this looks like it could

645
00:33:20.319 --> 00:33:23.839
be really cheesy sci fi crap, but the way he

646
00:33:23.920 --> 00:33:26.160
shoots it and the way they play it makes it

647
00:33:26.240 --> 00:33:29.119
like it could be Logan's Run. Now, don't get me wrong,

648
00:33:29.240 --> 00:33:31.720
I love Logan's Run, but it's cheesy as all hell.

649
00:33:32.480 --> 00:33:34.680
There are scenes in this where you know, he's in

650
00:33:34.720 --> 00:33:36.359
like a light bath and he steps out of the shower,

651
00:33:36.519 --> 00:33:38.960
or they put this like red pod thing and it

652
00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:41.440
just disappears, and it's like, that looks like cheesy crap

653
00:33:41.720 --> 00:33:45.920
sci fi graphics, but because it's shot so well, it

654
00:33:45.960 --> 00:33:49.279
makes it. It elevates the scene. So I wanted to

655
00:33:49.400 --> 00:33:52.519
mention that briefly. But those aren't necessarily individual scenes. Those

656
00:33:52.519 --> 00:33:54.720
are just something It always stands out to me when

657
00:33:54.720 --> 00:33:55.119
I watch this.

658
00:33:55.400 --> 00:33:58.839
Well, I mean, I'm not clocking them, but watching this,

659
00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:02.839
I feel like each each scene is maybe in between

660
00:34:02.839 --> 00:34:04.759
five and ten seconds long before we get a cut.

661
00:34:06.279 --> 00:34:10.639
And you're right, it's just like what would be cheesy

662
00:34:11.480 --> 00:34:14.039
isn't cheesy because because it is nineteen seventy one, and

663
00:34:14.119 --> 00:34:18.119
it is pretty brilliant filmmaking for a kid right out

664
00:34:18.159 --> 00:34:21.400
of college with no money.

665
00:34:20.440 --> 00:34:21.840
And some of the sets, I'm like, wow, I wonder

666
00:34:21.880 --> 00:34:24.320
how they did that. And when I feel like when

667
00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:24.679
you can.

668
00:34:24.599 --> 00:34:28.000
Watch a movie from nineteen seventy one and still ask yourself,

669
00:34:28.719 --> 00:34:30.559
how did they do that shot?

670
00:34:31.320 --> 00:34:33.000
I think you're dealing with a maverick.

671
00:34:33.639 --> 00:34:37.000
You absolutely are. Yeah, I think there's a reason. You know,

672
00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:39.679
Lucas has a reputation nowadays, but back then, you know,

673
00:34:40.159 --> 00:34:42.159
he came on the scene and everybody paid attention.

674
00:34:42.880 --> 00:34:46.039
So let's talk about the pivotal moment in this movie.

675
00:34:46.400 --> 00:34:48.280
I have a hunch that you and I are going

676
00:34:48.320 --> 00:34:49.480
to have the same one, So I'm going to.

677
00:34:49.519 --> 00:34:53.920
Ask you years first, what for you is the pivotal

678
00:34:53.960 --> 00:34:55.199
moment in this film.

679
00:34:55.639 --> 00:34:57.920
It's hard because it doesn't follow a normal narrative structure.

680
00:34:57.960 --> 00:34:59.960
But for me, the moment that this movie really turned

681
00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:04.480
is when he is being held. I guess you could

682
00:35:04.480 --> 00:35:07.840
call it prisoner in the White Room and you start

683
00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:10.239
you see the other people around, you see Sen trying

684
00:35:10.280 --> 00:35:15.159
to muster up some sort of revolutionary front and failing

685
00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:17.920
to do so. I might add, but they also have

686
00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:20.199
you can see. There's there's people who we would probably

687
00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:23.280
in nineteen seventy one refer to him as crazy. There's

688
00:35:23.480 --> 00:35:26.599
a little person that comes down and you know, sensy, oh, yeah,

689
00:35:26.599 --> 00:35:28.679
he's from beyond the shell. And you start to really

690
00:35:28.719 --> 00:35:33.239
see what this world actually is, beyond just what THHX

691
00:35:33.280 --> 00:35:36.400
has been shown. And I think that to me pushes

692
00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:38.320
him to do everything else that he does after that,

693
00:35:38.320 --> 00:35:40.159
that pushes him to escape the.

694
00:35:40.719 --> 00:35:42.800
Scene you're talking about.

695
00:35:42.679 --> 00:35:45.719
Let's you know, just for the listeners that haven't seen

696
00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:48.000
it in a while or still need to see it.

697
00:35:48.800 --> 00:35:53.440
He is convicted of drug evasion and sexual perversion and

698
00:35:53.480 --> 00:35:58.639
he's sentenced to a level where he will receive conditioning

699
00:35:59.480 --> 00:36:03.000
and be held detention. And this moment, this is where

700
00:36:03.000 --> 00:36:06.760
the movie feels to me, it's very one Flew over

701
00:36:06.800 --> 00:36:07.519
the Cuckoo's Nest.

702
00:36:08.280 --> 00:36:10.840
Yeah, Like at this point, the very sci fi version

703
00:36:10.880 --> 00:36:11.079
of that.

704
00:36:11.159 --> 00:36:13.039
Yeah, this is Yeah, at this point in the movie,

705
00:36:13.119 --> 00:36:15.079
it becomes a sci fi version of One flu of

706
00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:19.280
the Cuckoo's Nest. He's not as chatty and animated as

707
00:36:19.280 --> 00:36:24.079
a as Jack Nicholson's character. However, from here on out,

708
00:36:24.199 --> 00:36:27.239
it's you know, you know, it doesn't help that they're

709
00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:29.800
you know, it doesn't hurt that they're all wearing like

710
00:36:29.840 --> 00:36:36.119
these white hospital scrubs and it's like a very sanitized environment.

711
00:36:36.199 --> 00:36:41.039
It's it just feels creepy and they're all being medicated. Yeah,

712
00:36:41.119 --> 00:36:43.039
this movie becomes Kucku's Nest for me at this point.

713
00:36:43.840 --> 00:36:46.239
It also gives me kind of Matrix vibes in this scene,

714
00:36:46.280 --> 00:36:48.920
specifically as they start to walk away and you realize

715
00:36:48.960 --> 00:36:50.960
there's no walls, nothing's being held in here. They're just

716
00:36:51.000 --> 00:36:53.000
in an open space. That sort of feels like a

717
00:36:53.000 --> 00:36:55.119
scene out of you know, one of those programs that

718
00:36:55.159 --> 00:36:57.760
are in the Matrix with just no no end, just

719
00:36:57.760 --> 00:36:58.639
an open expanse.

720
00:36:59.079 --> 00:37:02.039
Now that I think about this, this movie, this movie

721
00:37:02.079 --> 00:37:06.760
is basically one flu of the Matrix, one flu of

722
00:37:06.760 --> 00:37:09.519
the Cuckoo's Matrix. It's because that's another one, but it's

723
00:37:09.559 --> 00:37:12.840
like where he's you got someone who's being told to

724
00:37:12.880 --> 00:37:17.519
conform and stay stay, to stay asleep and produce and

725
00:37:17.559 --> 00:37:21.440
be happy, and he's trying to break free and get

726
00:37:21.480 --> 00:37:22.880
to the get to the real world.

727
00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:25.280
Yeah, the robot cops are a little more advanced in

728
00:37:25.360 --> 00:37:27.719
the Matrix, but other than that same stuff slightly.

729
00:37:27.800 --> 00:37:31.079
Yeah, the pivotal moment for me, I feel is probably

730
00:37:31.079 --> 00:37:35.760
where he discovers the fate of law his first roommate.

731
00:37:36.639 --> 00:37:40.960
Really sad, dark moment, you know, because he they do

732
00:37:41.119 --> 00:37:43.159
they you know, they have one. They have one meeting

733
00:37:43.199 --> 00:37:46.280
before he's put away in detention, and it's a it's

734
00:37:46.280 --> 00:37:48.079
a quick embrace and she says, hey, I'm I'm going

735
00:37:48.119 --> 00:37:50.360
to have a baby, which we know is outlawed. You know,

736
00:37:50.440 --> 00:37:53.480
you're not allowed to do this, so you know, for

737
00:37:53.559 --> 00:37:54.360
him to find.

738
00:37:54.159 --> 00:37:58.599
Out, like yeah, scene and it's heartbreaking because because it's

739
00:37:58.599 --> 00:38:00.000
going as they hug, it's like, oh, it's great news,

740
00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:01.760
and you're just in there watching like, no, dude, no,

741
00:38:01.800 --> 00:38:02.199
it's not.

742
00:38:02.719 --> 00:38:05.760
Here come the robot police with those long cattle prod things.

743
00:38:06.039 --> 00:38:07.800
It's not gonna last.

744
00:38:07.119 --> 00:38:10.920
Yeah, and you just know, like the look of joy

745
00:38:10.920 --> 00:38:13.119
on her face as she says she's gonna have a baby,

746
00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:16.280
and you're just sitting there thinking, yeah, you're not.

747
00:38:17.119 --> 00:38:18.360
It's so heartbreaking.

748
00:38:18.440 --> 00:38:19.039
Yeah.

749
00:38:19.039 --> 00:38:22.559
And it's heartbreaking too because so much of these characters

750
00:38:22.559 --> 00:38:25.639
are trying to hold their emotions in because they're afraid

751
00:38:25.679 --> 00:38:27.400
of being caught. So it's like you can't even really

752
00:38:27.400 --> 00:38:29.519
watch them emote. You don't get to see them sobbing

753
00:38:29.519 --> 00:38:32.039
and you know, give the catharsis that way, it's just

754
00:38:32.480 --> 00:38:33.320
sort of detached.

755
00:38:33.840 --> 00:38:35.880
Yeah, for him to try and track her down and

756
00:38:35.920 --> 00:38:39.079
look at the records and find out, oh no, they've

757
00:38:39.159 --> 00:38:42.039
already reassigned her name to like you know, this is

758
00:38:42.360 --> 00:38:43.119
unborn fetus.

759
00:38:43.159 --> 00:38:47.360
That's that's being I don't know, farmed, grown for lack

760
00:38:47.400 --> 00:38:50.280
of a grown, for lack of a better word, heart

761
00:38:50.400 --> 00:38:52.559
heart harsh scene man, definitely harsh.

762
00:38:52.360 --> 00:38:55.599
Yeah, for sure, Andrew, let's take let's take one last

763
00:38:55.599 --> 00:38:57.480
break and when we get back, well we'll talk a

764
00:38:57.519 --> 00:38:58.519
little bit about George.

765
00:38:58.360 --> 00:39:03.679
Lucas and then we'll get things wrapped up. Welcome back.

766
00:39:03.760 --> 00:39:10.679
We are talking about George Lucas's THX eleven thirty eight. Andrew,

767
00:39:10.800 --> 00:39:13.639
shame on me for just blowing right by the fact

768
00:39:13.719 --> 00:39:21.679
that one of the greatest sound engineering capabilities and film

769
00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:23.440
takes its name from this movie.

770
00:39:23.480 --> 00:39:27.039
Right, Yeah, so many things take their name from this movie.

771
00:39:27.039 --> 00:39:31.519
You're absolutely right. We talked earlier, Lucas loves to reference

772
00:39:31.559 --> 00:39:34.400
this movie. But what's wild is this movie is so

773
00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:37.920
fundamental for so many other sci fi greats. It's referenced

774
00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:42.000
in countless things. So not talking star Wars or Indiana Jones.

775
00:39:42.079 --> 00:39:46.320
It's in Dark Star, It's in MST three k as.

776
00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:49.280
I'm sure you can imagine references. In the time, you

777
00:39:49.360 --> 00:39:53.719
get great sci fi like Gatica or Equilibrium, which Equilibrium

778
00:39:53.800 --> 00:39:55.119
shares a lot in common with this movie. But the

779
00:39:55.159 --> 00:39:57.760
wild thing is things that have nothing to do with this,

780
00:39:57.960 --> 00:40:01.119
like the video game Duke Nukem repeatedly uses one, one,

781
00:40:01.119 --> 00:40:03.519
three eight, the West Wing.

782
00:40:04.159 --> 00:40:05.920
The TV whoa the West Wing.

783
00:40:06.679 --> 00:40:13.199
Oh yeah, Oceans Oceans eleven uses eleven thirty eight, as

784
00:40:13.320 --> 00:40:18.079
at the vault number. Rain over me a fantastic Adam

785
00:40:18.119 --> 00:40:21.440
Sandler don cheatle movie reference it is. Here's where it

786
00:40:21.480 --> 00:40:24.559
gets weird, though. It's been referenced for room numbers in

787
00:40:24.639 --> 00:40:28.800
the office, and my personal favorite for the weirdest one

788
00:40:28.840 --> 00:40:36.320
was in fifty Shades of Gray Sail. Yeah no, I

789
00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:39.559
trust me. I found that one online. But so many

790
00:40:39.840 --> 00:40:44.639
filmmakers cite this like as such a great or inspirational

791
00:40:44.639 --> 00:40:46.679
thing that they learn it and they study it, that

792
00:40:46.719 --> 00:40:49.159
it gets referenced constantly. So I just want to throw

793
00:40:49.159 --> 00:40:50.199
a couple of those out there if you want to

794
00:40:50.239 --> 00:40:53.079
go online. The list is hundreds of names long. It

795
00:40:53.119 --> 00:40:54.360
gets referenced all over the place.

796
00:40:54.800 --> 00:40:58.480
I mean, I always knew it was gonna be it.

797
00:40:58.480 --> 00:41:00.480
I alway knew it was gonna be any strike for stars.

798
00:41:01.320 --> 00:41:04.800
But the fact that it's out there in pop culture

799
00:41:04.840 --> 00:41:06.599
now now you got me, you got me looking for it.

800
00:41:06.599 --> 00:41:08.719
I'm gonna I'm gonna start looking to see if I

801
00:41:08.760 --> 00:41:09.239
can see it.

802
00:41:09.199 --> 00:41:13.400
On like a you know, room number you know anything else,

803
00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:15.760
Like you're like you were mentioning, that's that's that's crazy, man.

804
00:41:16.480 --> 00:41:19.920
It's kind the A one, one, three from a Pixar.

805
00:41:20.039 --> 00:41:21.840
Now it's you know, it started as Pixar and it's

806
00:41:21.840 --> 00:41:23.559
bled out into everything.

807
00:41:23.639 --> 00:41:29.719
Wild andrew Three facts about Lucas and a quote number one.

808
00:41:30.039 --> 00:41:34.199
He had always planned to be a professional race car driver. However,

809
00:41:34.719 --> 00:41:37.480
shortly after high school, he was in a near fatal

810
00:41:37.519 --> 00:41:41.199
car accident, which changed his outlook on racing as well

811
00:41:41.199 --> 00:41:41.760
as life.

812
00:41:42.400 --> 00:41:44.039
I feel bad laughing at the first part. Then I

813
00:41:44.039 --> 00:41:45.960
was like, I can't picture Lucas as a race car driver.

814
00:41:46.039 --> 00:41:48.599
Oh that yeah, I mean you got to think about it,

815
00:41:48.639 --> 00:41:48.800
you know.

816
00:41:48.960 --> 00:41:54.440
Uh. American graffiti is pretty much autobiographical, you know, it's yeah, it.

817
00:41:54.519 --> 00:41:57.760
Was, it was his life. So moving on.

818
00:41:58.280 --> 00:42:03.000
He is a major collector of American painter Norman Rockwell's art,

819
00:42:03.480 --> 00:42:06.000
so much so that he and his best friend and

820
00:42:06.119 --> 00:42:10.480
fellow Rockwell collector Steven Spielberg once shared a collection of

821
00:42:10.559 --> 00:42:15.039
fifty seven paintings with the Smithsonian Art Museum in an

822
00:42:15.079 --> 00:42:16.880
exhibition titled Telling Stories.

823
00:42:17.400 --> 00:42:17.800
Wow.

824
00:42:18.119 --> 00:42:19.280
I would have loved to have seen that.

825
00:42:20.199 --> 00:42:24.159
Yeah, personally, you know, originals by Rockwell owned by Lucas

826
00:42:24.159 --> 00:42:27.119
and Spielberg and set up in a way that that's

827
00:42:27.639 --> 00:42:28.320
telling stories.

828
00:42:28.440 --> 00:42:28.880
I love that.

829
00:42:29.639 --> 00:42:33.000
Yeah. I love that they share that too, you know, Yeah,

830
00:42:33.039 --> 00:42:33.480
that's cool.

831
00:42:33.880 --> 00:42:37.920
Lastly, he has always refused to put critic quotes on

832
00:42:37.960 --> 00:42:41.960
his film posters, which has long infuriated the majority of

833
00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:45.559
film critics. You know, in these like these little snipets,

834
00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:47.480
the little reviews always talks about the critics don't really

835
00:42:47.519 --> 00:42:48.199
like him.

836
00:42:49.280 --> 00:42:51.599
This is where it stems from. And think about that.

837
00:42:51.360 --> 00:42:54.440
Think think when you think about some of the artwork

838
00:42:54.960 --> 00:42:58.440
for the Indiana Jones films or the Star Wars films,

839
00:42:59.039 --> 00:43:01.559
you know, and we're talking art by drew S Drews

840
00:43:01.639 --> 00:43:05.039
an Yeah, think about how how they would have been

841
00:43:05.119 --> 00:43:09.119
ruined with like see this movie three times before it

842
00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:09.840
leaves the theater.

843
00:43:10.079 --> 00:43:14.480
Oh, you know, a NonStop thrill ride. Yeah, I love

844
00:43:14.480 --> 00:43:17.039
that though, not just for the aesthetic of the poster,

845
00:43:17.039 --> 00:43:20.519
which you're spot on, but like he wanted to be

846
00:43:20.559 --> 00:43:22.960
an artist, you know, for all the crap we give

847
00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:25.400
him for, you know, the sequel trilogy or the prequel

848
00:43:25.440 --> 00:43:27.599
trilogies of Star Wars and whatnot. The man we wanted

849
00:43:27.599 --> 00:43:31.119
to make art and artists and critics are always gonna

850
00:43:31.119 --> 00:43:33.280
have a bad relationship. So I get it. Actually I

851
00:43:33.320 --> 00:43:34.679
respect it. It's a cool move.

852
00:43:35.320 --> 00:43:35.679
It is.

853
00:43:36.519 --> 00:43:38.239
I got a quote here from him, and I could

854
00:43:38.239 --> 00:43:42.239
not resist one because it's dealing with a nineteen eighty

855
00:43:42.239 --> 00:43:48.039
six classic, Howard the Duck. Oh no, the you know

856
00:43:48.079 --> 00:43:52.719
he was an executive producer on He said, my greatest

857
00:43:52.719 --> 00:43:57.000
regret in my career is that John Landis was unable.

858
00:43:56.679 --> 00:43:57.800
To direct Howard the Duck.

859
00:43:58.599 --> 00:44:01.079
I feel the movie would have been far more successful

860
00:44:01.239 --> 00:44:04.840
and saved me the years of hardship following its release.

861
00:44:05.719 --> 00:44:09.519
Oh two things here, Andrew, If you don't know the

862
00:44:09.559 --> 00:44:12.960
backstory here, Landis, who is a buddy of his, was

863
00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:17.000
all set to direct and then got to the police.

864
00:44:16.679 --> 00:44:19.400
Car chase scene. He calls George Lucas up SA say,

865
00:44:19.440 --> 00:44:21.400
I can't do this movie. You got a car chase

866
00:44:22.039 --> 00:44:23.039
with the police.

867
00:44:23.000 --> 00:44:26.159
And Lukes, you know, and and I did that in

868
00:44:26.199 --> 00:44:27.679
The Blues brother So you know, I feel like it's

869
00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:29.119
at this movie is a little too close to The

870
00:44:29.119 --> 00:44:29.639
Blues Brothers.

871
00:44:29.639 --> 00:44:32.800
So I'm going to pass. I think about that for

872
00:44:32.840 --> 00:44:33.280
a second.

873
00:44:34.239 --> 00:44:38.639
A movie about an alien that is more or less

874
00:44:38.639 --> 00:44:42.280
a four foot humanoid duck hits earth, has to fight

875
00:44:42.320 --> 00:44:46.840
a demon and runs around with very a very young,

876
00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:53.880
very very attractive, very sexy Leah Thompson, and it's too

877
00:44:53.880 --> 00:44:56.079
close to the Blues Brothers because of a car chase.

878
00:44:56.159 --> 00:44:58.519
Yeah, I mean I can see both of those movies,

879
00:44:58.519 --> 00:45:00.559
and I can confirm it is not it is not

880
00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:01.800
too close there.

881
00:45:01.800 --> 00:45:03.719
It's not too It's not too close at all.

882
00:45:04.039 --> 00:45:04.159
Uh.

883
00:45:04.880 --> 00:45:08.679
Lucas Actually he famously disowned Howard the duck it took

884
00:45:08.719 --> 00:45:11.280
it wants nothing to do with it, which is.

885
00:45:11.519 --> 00:45:14.519
Fair, man, It's fair. I mean, hey, I love it.

886
00:45:14.639 --> 00:45:16.679
I but it's not good.

887
00:45:17.239 --> 00:45:20.559
I mean, it's it's not it's not good, but it's

888
00:45:20.679 --> 00:45:22.559
it's it's a guilty pleasure.

889
00:45:22.920 --> 00:45:25.800
Look, we covered it on our nineteen eighty six series.

890
00:45:26.280 --> 00:45:28.960
Right over my shoulder, you can see there's a four

891
00:45:29.119 --> 00:45:31.920
there's a still book four K blu ray of Howard

892
00:45:31.960 --> 00:45:35.440
the Duck thirty fifth anniversary. It's back there, and I

893
00:45:35.480 --> 00:45:36.559
will not apologize for that.

894
00:45:36.679 --> 00:45:39.880
So so listen.

895
00:45:39.920 --> 00:45:43.880
We he doesn't have the longest filmography, but I'm gonna

896
00:45:43.880 --> 00:45:49.960
ask you, Andrew. Someone watches THHX eleven thirty eight and says, Okay,

897
00:45:50.119 --> 00:45:52.719
I don't know who this guy is. This is George Lucas,

898
00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:56.159
but uh, what are three films you would use suggest

899
00:45:56.239 --> 00:45:56.639
I watch?

900
00:45:57.480 --> 00:46:00.239
And I'm pretty sure I.

901
00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:03.400
Have to believe that that you and I have two

902
00:46:03.400 --> 00:46:05.800
out of three here. I'm just curious about your third one.

903
00:46:05.880 --> 00:46:08.199
So you can course correct me if you need to.

904
00:46:08.280 --> 00:46:10.320
But let's let's start first on the list.

905
00:46:10.400 --> 00:46:12.199
American graffiti, right.

906
00:46:13.079 --> 00:46:18.880
Probably. Yeah, it's hard because like the dude, the dude makes.

907
00:46:18.719 --> 00:46:21.000
Hits, you know what I mean, he does, he does,

908
00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:23.000
but you know you're only gonna get you only you're

909
00:46:23.039 --> 00:46:24.920
only gonna get three though, you know, so we got

910
00:46:25.159 --> 00:46:26.360
American graffiti has to.

911
00:46:26.280 --> 00:46:26.800
Make the cut.

912
00:46:27.400 --> 00:46:30.519
True. It's I'm also struggling with the concept if somebody

913
00:46:30.519 --> 00:46:32.800
comes to me and says, hey, I've watched THHX one, one, three, eight,

914
00:46:33.000 --> 00:46:35.199
what's other stuff? Is George Lucas guy has done?

915
00:46:35.400 --> 00:46:37.440
So, assuming you're this.

916
00:46:37.400 --> 00:46:39.719
Is it's probably someone that's either waking up for a

917
00:46:39.760 --> 00:46:41.360
coma or they're like Howard the Duck.

918
00:46:41.400 --> 00:46:45.079
They've they've crashed landed on Earth. So play along if

919
00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:45.400
you will.

920
00:46:45.400 --> 00:46:47.920
But yeah, you know I'm with you though. It's yeah,

921
00:46:47.960 --> 00:46:49.119
American Graffiti for sure.

922
00:46:49.920 --> 00:46:51.679
Did you know that the license plate on the deuce

923
00:46:51.719 --> 00:46:55.320
coup that John Milner drives is in fact, I guess

924
00:46:55.320 --> 00:46:56.159
it's on your list.

925
00:46:56.039 --> 00:46:57.239
Right right? Oh? Yeah?

926
00:46:57.679 --> 00:46:58.639
The first here's something.

927
00:46:58.920 --> 00:47:02.280
Here, here's a here's a little nugget I think you'll

928
00:47:02.280 --> 00:47:02.920
be impressed with.

929
00:47:03.800 --> 00:47:06.880
Because George didn't have enough money to pay the entire crew.

930
00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:10.960
Those that he couldn't pay, he offered them a screen

931
00:47:11.000 --> 00:47:15.920
credit as their payment, and amazingly enough, they all accepted.

932
00:47:16.239 --> 00:47:19.480
Now you have to keep in mind before American Graffiti,

933
00:47:20.119 --> 00:47:23.199
only the only the department heads were given credit in

934
00:47:23.280 --> 00:47:25.679
the in the film. So this is a chance, like

935
00:47:26.000 --> 00:47:28.360
you know, hey, Andrew Blakeley, you want to see your

936
00:47:28.400 --> 00:47:31.719
name in the movie rather than take your seventy.

937
00:47:31.360 --> 00:47:33.320
Three dollars paycheck, Okay, we'll do it.

938
00:47:34.159 --> 00:47:38.679
And this basically this changes the closing credits forever, and

939
00:47:38.719 --> 00:47:41.159
that's why we have the long CROs closing credits today.

940
00:47:41.199 --> 00:47:43.639
You know, because now when a movie ends, you're gonna

941
00:47:43.679 --> 00:47:47.239
see like six thousand names scroll slowly past you to

942
00:47:47.360 --> 00:47:48.719
some hopefully some good music.

943
00:47:49.400 --> 00:47:51.360
That's crazy. Yeah, I did not know that.

944
00:47:51.920 --> 00:47:56.440
American graffiti is to think for that second movie, you

945
00:47:56.559 --> 00:48:01.760
have to recommend Star Wars episode for New Hope. Of course,

946
00:48:02.159 --> 00:48:06.320
of course, right the film that no one wanted. He

947
00:48:06.400 --> 00:48:09.840
ultimately made a deal with twentyth century Fox. He waived

948
00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:12.119
his director fee in exchange for like what forty percent

949
00:48:12.119 --> 00:48:15.760
of the box office and full merchandising rights, which again

950
00:48:15.880 --> 00:48:19.360
was unheard of. No one cared about merchandising rights.

951
00:48:19.719 --> 00:48:23.320
The forethought on that is bonkers.

952
00:48:23.960 --> 00:48:25.920
Again, Lucas is he's a visionary.

953
00:48:26.000 --> 00:48:30.079
He's thinking, he's thinking ahead, he's you know, in nineteen

954
00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:32.559
seventy one, he's living in nineteen ninety one easily.

955
00:48:33.280 --> 00:48:35.480
Yeah, And I mean, you know, I talked earlier about

956
00:48:35.519 --> 00:48:38.199
how many people have said they're influenced by THHX, and

957
00:48:38.360 --> 00:48:40.480
you know, filmmakers watch it and they take so much

958
00:48:40.519 --> 00:48:44.159
from it. But the impact that Star Wars has had

959
00:48:44.280 --> 00:48:49.159
on movies and the world is immeasurable. Doesn't seem like enough.

960
00:48:49.199 --> 00:48:52.599
It's one of the most influential things of the past Century.

961
00:48:53.000 --> 00:48:55.440
All right, here's where the rubber meets the road. Well

962
00:48:55.480 --> 00:48:57.400
we're not talking American Graffiti, but you know, you get

963
00:48:57.440 --> 00:49:01.599
the drift. One more film you could recommend to someone.

964
00:49:02.360 --> 00:49:04.920
You've told him go check out American Graffiti, You've told

965
00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:06.000
him to check out Star.

966
00:49:05.840 --> 00:49:09.079
Wars and New Hope. What is the third film you're

967
00:49:09.119 --> 00:49:11.559
gonna ask them to check out? Because here's where we

968
00:49:11.639 --> 00:49:12.519
can so we could differ.

969
00:49:13.440 --> 00:49:15.519
Yeah, I mean, what the weird thing is? You know,

970
00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:18.079
I think Lucas and I think if you want to

971
00:49:18.119 --> 00:49:21.239
know George Lucas, you also have to include the Indiana

972
00:49:21.320 --> 00:49:23.400
Jones series. I know the Spielberg directed it, but like,

973
00:49:23.599 --> 00:49:27.039
I feel like that's going to be part of the conversation. Uh,

974
00:49:27.880 --> 00:49:30.960
I'm gonna pull up his philography now because I' actually I.

975
00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:32.639
Was gonna say, hey, I listen, I'm gonna I'm gonna

976
00:49:32.639 --> 00:49:34.400
I'm gonna hold you to it because listen, while I

977
00:49:34.480 --> 00:49:36.760
was away, you and A were both chose to break

978
00:49:36.760 --> 00:49:39.440
it a little couple rules. You know, don't think I

979
00:49:39.440 --> 00:49:42.440
didn't don't think I didn't catch that. So this time,

980
00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:44.840
this time, I'm holding you.

981
00:49:45.440 --> 00:49:48.679
Yes, you know, he executive produced all the Inn Jazz movies.

982
00:49:48.679 --> 00:49:50.679
But you don't get to use one of them.

983
00:49:50.800 --> 00:49:52.960
It has to be something he directed, a film that

984
00:49:53.000 --> 00:49:57.239
he directed, So that is where you're left.

985
00:49:57.679 --> 00:49:59.920
I mean, I gotta so really, he doesn't have a

986
00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:02.079
lung list, so I'm gonna go Revenge of the Sith.

987
00:50:03.920 --> 00:50:05.480
That is the correct answer, by the way.

988
00:50:06.400 --> 00:50:10.280
I mean, there's interesting things he did with the prequel trilogy.

989
00:50:10.360 --> 00:50:13.920
I feel like when somebody shits on them, my first

990
00:50:13.920 --> 00:50:15.840
reaction is to run to their defense, and when somebody

991
00:50:15.840 --> 00:50:17.840
praises them, my first reactions to come and be like,

992
00:50:17.880 --> 00:50:20.000
well they suck, you know what I mean. There's so

993
00:50:20.119 --> 00:50:23.840
much good and so much bad happening in them. But yeah,

994
00:50:23.840 --> 00:50:26.559
Revenge of the Sith. Actually he pulled together a pretty

995
00:50:26.559 --> 00:50:27.800
good movie all things considered.

996
00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:31.039
For me, I have to recommend episode three Revenge of

997
00:50:31.039 --> 00:50:35.400
the Sith, because if a New Hope is all about

998
00:50:35.639 --> 00:50:40.360
introducing a character named Skywalker who is ultimately going to

999
00:50:40.400 --> 00:50:44.039
become the hero, fair to say that Revenge of the

1000
00:50:44.079 --> 00:50:46.840
Sith is about a character named Skywalker who is ultimately

1001
00:50:47.320 --> 00:50:49.719
going to become the villain, and I kind of dig that,

1002
00:50:50.159 --> 00:50:55.800
you know, and to your point, the prequel trilogy not

1003
00:50:56.679 --> 00:51:00.960
the best, you know, we could say that, but of

1004
00:51:01.000 --> 00:51:02.679
the three, I feel like Revenge of the Sith is

1005
00:51:02.719 --> 00:51:03.239
the best one.

1006
00:51:04.000 --> 00:51:07.079
Yeah, and I think, you know, again, even even when

1007
00:51:07.079 --> 00:51:11.840
he's doing overly cgi cheesy storylines, et cetera, some of

1008
00:51:11.880 --> 00:51:14.719
the fight scenes, you know, the the Phantom Menace fight scene,

1009
00:51:15.360 --> 00:51:20.280
the Duel of the Fates is, it's still impressive. You know,

1010
00:51:20.480 --> 00:51:22.360
as cheesy as that movie is, and as much as

1011
00:51:22.360 --> 00:51:26.719
you have to watch Young Anakin. You know, let's trike

1012
00:51:26.800 --> 00:51:30.800
cork screen. That's a neat trick, but you know that's happening, amazing, amazing,

1013
00:51:30.840 --> 00:51:33.719
like Ray Park fight scene. So there's good stuff.

1014
00:51:34.000 --> 00:51:35.679
There's there's good to be had. Uh.

1015
00:51:37.079 --> 00:51:39.119
And you know one thing I gotta I gotta point out,

1016
00:51:39.159 --> 00:51:41.679
since we're talking Revenge of the Sith and we're talking

1017
00:51:41.760 --> 00:51:44.760
Darth Vader, I did not I've always I've always assumed this,

1018
00:51:44.920 --> 00:51:47.039
but I never seen it because I never went looking.

1019
00:51:47.119 --> 00:51:51.880
But uh, it is factual that he did take inspiration

1020
00:51:51.960 --> 00:51:55.079
from Marvel Comics villain Doctor Doom when he was creating

1021
00:51:55.079 --> 00:51:56.280
the look for Darth Vader.

1022
00:51:57.000 --> 00:52:01.320
Yeah, you know, I mentioned it earlier. He his iconography

1023
00:52:01.440 --> 00:52:04.440
is always again, never subtle, but always great. You know

1024
00:52:04.480 --> 00:52:07.920
that the Stormtroopers, you know, and Vader and everything. He

1025
00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:11.079
pulls from Buck Rogers, he pulls from you know, World

1026
00:52:11.119 --> 00:52:12.880
War two footage, he pulls from all these things, and

1027
00:52:12.920 --> 00:52:17.199
it's he pulls last. Yeah, that's why it lasts. That's

1028
00:52:17.239 --> 00:52:19.159
why it sticks. You know, he knows, he knows what works,

1029
00:52:19.159 --> 00:52:20.079
and he knows how to use it.

1030
00:52:20.519 --> 00:52:23.400
Andrew, you own this film, safe to say that you

1031
00:52:23.440 --> 00:52:25.559
would recommend seeing it?

1032
00:52:25.719 --> 00:52:28.639
Sort of this is this is a weird one. This.

1033
00:52:28.840 --> 00:52:32.599
I would absolutely recommend this to film nerds. I think

1034
00:52:32.599 --> 00:52:35.440
it is valuable piece of film history. I think it

1035
00:52:35.880 --> 00:52:37.559
introduced a lot of cool stuff and it does a

1036
00:52:37.599 --> 00:52:41.000
lot of really interesting things. For a casual film viewer,

1037
00:52:41.440 --> 00:52:44.920
it's kind of boring, got some pacing issues. It's it

1038
00:52:45.119 --> 00:52:48.360
doesn't do anything traditional. I think if you're just an

1039
00:52:48.360 --> 00:52:51.559
average casual viewer, probably not. But if you're a nerd

1040
00:52:51.599 --> 00:52:53.400
and you're listening to this podcast, so I'm guessing you're

1041
00:52:53.400 --> 00:52:56.320
a bit of a film nerd, absolutely recommend you.

1042
00:52:56.360 --> 00:53:00.480
Are you are reading my notes I have this film

1043
00:53:00.639 --> 00:53:04.840
isn't for the casual moviegoer. First line right there, we're

1044
00:53:04.880 --> 00:53:06.599
on the same path, man, you know.

1045
00:53:06.760 --> 00:53:09.320
But if you're a Star Wars completist, you want to

1046
00:53:09.360 --> 00:53:12.239
see the DNA of Star Wars like before it was

1047
00:53:12.280 --> 00:53:14.679
Star Wars. If you're a fan of early visual effects,

1048
00:53:14.679 --> 00:53:17.199
if you're a fan of George Lucas, you definitely gotta

1049
00:53:17.239 --> 00:53:17.559
check it out.

1050
00:53:17.559 --> 00:53:20.039
It's worth the watch. And it's a lean eighty nine minutes,

1051
00:53:20.639 --> 00:53:20.840
you know.

1052
00:53:21.400 --> 00:53:26.039
Yeah, yeah, it feels pretty long at places though, I'll be.

1053
00:53:26.000 --> 00:53:30.760
Honest, Well, listeners, what do you think of THCHX eleven

1054
00:53:30.840 --> 00:53:31.320
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1055
00:53:31.639 --> 00:53:33.960
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1056
00:53:34.559 --> 00:53:36.760
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1057
00:53:36.800 --> 00:53:40.039
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1058
00:53:40.039 --> 00:53:43.079
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1059
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1060
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1061
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1062
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1064
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1065
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1068
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1069
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1070
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1071
00:54:13.559 --> 00:54:16.000
As always, thank you. I know You've got a very.

1072
00:54:16.119 --> 00:54:19.559
Busy schedule this month because we've got we got a

1073
00:54:19.599 --> 00:54:22.320
couple films to talk about for a film buy, we

1074
00:54:22.440 --> 00:54:24.639
got we got plenty for uh for our Patreon.

1075
00:54:24.760 --> 00:54:27.519
We got some ten for two coming to them right.

1076
00:54:28.239 --> 00:54:30.159
Oh. Yeah, I'm really excited. We've got some good ones

1077
00:54:30.159 --> 00:54:33.239
lined up, some seasonal ones, and some are just gonna

1078
00:54:33.239 --> 00:54:34.039
be fun to talk about them.

1079
00:54:34.639 --> 00:54:35.400
I agree.

1080
00:54:36.079 --> 00:54:38.840
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1081
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1082
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