George Miller - The Witches of Eastwick

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I really miss Jack. The fact
that he has not been in a film

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since twenty ten, it just saddens
me. He wasn't even the star of

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that movie. Yeah, I don't
know. I mean it saddens you because

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he's so amazing. But I like
that, you know, actors no when

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to step off the stage, like
sometimes you just can't keep going to your

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one hundred and ten. He's only
eighty seven years young. He's got that

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you know, if you were gonna, if you were gonna retire, retire

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in two thousand and six after The
Departed, that was a phenomenal movie,

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a phenomenal role. I'm hoping.
I'm hoping that he's got one more and

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before he rides off in to the
sunset in his awesome shades. But I

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asked you a question, and it's
a lot more difficult than I imagined as

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I was thinking about my answer,
So I want to ask you. I

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basically said, hey, top three
favorite Jack Nicholson roles? Did you Was

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this difficult for you? Not?
Not as difficult, I think as it

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was for you, because I immediately
eliminated movies that, while they are brilliant

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and his performance is brilliant, they're
not movies that I prefer to watch.

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Okay, but again we're talking favorite, favorite role, so I'm going with

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like what do you Got? The
ones that I like to watch over and

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over and over again. All Right, favorite three, top top three favorite?

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Jack Nicholson rolls What do You Got
for Me? Okay? So my

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third favorite is a little movie that
maybe not a lot of people have seen,

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called Heartburn. It's based on Nora
Efron's autobiography about her marriage to Carl

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Bernstein. Okay, I surprised that
you would go with that one. That's

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nineteen eighty six. It didn't make
the list for our limited series nineteen eighty

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six. I might have to look
into adding that to the lost episodes on

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Patreona. Favorite performance. Well,
you know what's awesome is that undefinable thing

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called chemistry, and some actors have
it, and you don't know why some

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actors don't and you think they should. Like some married actors are terrible in

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movies together, but Jack Nicholson and
Meryl Street together in this movie are amazing.

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They are pretty electric. All Right, what do you Got? What

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do you Got? Number two?
Number two? Roll number two. It's

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not the best adaptation, but the
Shining Jet Torrance. Yes, like he

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is literally what is on the page
now the rest of the movies a hot

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mess, but what was in that
book? He completely took that and that

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was his performance. And I mean
nobody plays frustration Jack Nicol before before you

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take Kubrick's name in vain, we're
gonna move on. What's your number one?

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My number one is the Joker?
Okay? I I was Batman is

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like all the things, all right, and it's again Jack playing a character

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named Jack until he becomes the Joker. Yeah, it's hard, hard,

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hard to beat that. It may
surprise you. The Joker is not one

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of my top three picks. No
again, I said this is difficult.

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I broke it. I broke it. No, not not necessarily, but

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uh, I will tell you I
kind of broke when I when I looked

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at this, its like, give
me the best of the decade. So

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I got I got a seventies pick
for you. Okay. I absolutely love

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RP. McMurphy one flew over the
Cooper's Nest. I just I can't watch

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that movie like he's a mania.
It's amazing. Kin of rips my heart

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out, like it's heartbreaking, but
it's he is, He's, he is

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just he's at times, he's repulsive
at times, he is brilliant at times,

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he is heartbreaking, at times,
he is hilarious. Love. I

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love r P. McMurphy. So
that's my number, that's my no,

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no particular order, but I'll give
you r P. McMurphy. I will

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echo your thoughts on Jack Torrance in
The Shining that was nineteen eighty And then

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lastly, I might quote this character
more than any other Jack Nicholson character nineteen

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ninety four, Nathan R. Yeah, I love, I love Jessup and

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a few good men. So yeah, it's not easy, you know when

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you look at his filmography, seventy
like, seventy nine movies, seventy eight

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movies. Yes, it's a memorable, memorable role. But Amber, I

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want to talk about another one of
his roles that I think definitely fell by

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the wayside. It's critically underrated.
Let's talk about what he does in a

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film by George Miller, Miller's nineteen
eighty seven underrated classic, The Witches of

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Eastwick. Hello, everybody, I'm
Jeff Johnson, I'm Amber Lewis, and

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this is a film by podcast.
Yeah, imperator. Amber Lewis returns.

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You were just you were here just
a few days ago. We were talking

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Romeo and Juliet. Yes, Amber, party parting is always such sweet sorrow

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with you. So that's why we
got to keep bringing you back all the

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time. You're a regular now,
right, Yes, George with my name

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on the door. Yeah, we're
working on it. We're working on it,

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George Miller. This past weekend he's
got his newest furiosa, A mad

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maxtail hit hit the big screen.
I did not get to see it yet.

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I'm hoping to see it tomorrow,
though, hoping to How about you.

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I haven't seen it yet, and
I don't know that I can handle

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seeing it in the theater. I
saw Fury Road when I came out on

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TVD and the opening like ten minutes, like when we got to the end

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of that chase, my brother paused
the movie because he knew I was like

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hyperventilated. Oh, like I was
falling off the couch, like I was

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an absolute wreck, and like I
needed to take a break. I catch

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that movie on a on an Imax
screen, on a big screen with Dolby

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at most sound. Oh my gosh, I think you oh, you were,

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you were in, you were in, you were on Furry Road that

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whole time. It's just like yeah. And Sam told me, he was

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like, take a break, go
get a drink, because this whole movie

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is just a chase scene. That's
all it is. So you gotta buckle

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up, you know. It's it's
difficult, like you know, we I've

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been I've been circling George Miller for
a few years, you know, for

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this, for this podcast. The
problem is that when you talk George Miller,

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you immediately connect him to the mad
Max saga, you know. And

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we're all about trying to find those
those underrated films that directors do, and

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Miller arguably doesn't have many underrated films. So I come at you a few

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weeks back and I said, hey, let's you know, Furiosi is coming

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out. Let's talk Miller. I'm
finally ready. Let's let's uh, let's

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do this this little movie called Lorenzo's
Oil and it's a wonderful film, right

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yeah. But surprisingly your response was
we're not gonna talk about which is of

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East Week? And I was like, well we are now, okay,

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So I mean it's right there,
and I love so much. Oh,

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I'm glad we're going to talk about
it. So George Miller describes the shoot

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on this one as difficult due to
the studio's assumption that he was weak.

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Did you hear about this? Yeah, just because I mean he wasn't like

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a diva. He wasn't high maintenance. He was focused on what was important.

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And they were like, oh,
well, he's a pushover. He

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doesn't want a big trailer. And
he comes into a budget meeting with ideas

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how to reduce the budget. Hey, studio execs in nineteen eighty seven,

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who are high on cocaine. I'm
here to save you some money. You

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know what, i don't need a
big, fancy trailer. I'll be on

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set, so don't worry about that. And they look at that. They

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look at that as like, oh, well, he doesn't need things,

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so we'll just we'll keep that in
mind. Go's a pushover. And so

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everything he asked for during production was
either denied outright or they approved it with

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minimal support. You know, he
asked for for two cameras, they give

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him one. He asked for one
hundred extras, they give him a dozen.

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It's it's insulting honestly, you know, yeah, if you care about

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the budget at all, you're not
gonna cut it on stuff like that.

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Yeah. Well, I mean the
guy comes in saying, hey, here's

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how I can save you some money, and then they just start saying,

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well, you know, we'll we'll
dominate this set now. I mean,

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and I don't know if that's because
this is his American film debut, but

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I think there was a communication breakdown. You know, he didn't know the

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Hollywood system. They didn't really know
this guy, and it's kind of surprising

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the movie turns out as good as
it does, knowing that there's a lot

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of there's a lot of tension behind
the scenes. I know we're going to

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talk about some of those things.
But before we get into that, for

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the folks that haven't seen this one, Amber, can you give us a

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little little synopsis about the Witches of
Eastwick. Absolutely, we have three small

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town friends, Alexandra, Jane,
and Suki who each find themselves single in

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the middle of their lives and this
opens up powers that they don't really realize

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that they have. And into the
town comes Darryl van Horn and he starts

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working his magic on each of them
and As they spend more time with him,

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their powers begin to grow, and
it's all fun and games until things

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kind of take a sour turn and
they start to get concerned about what Darryl's

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ultimate intentions really are. This cast, I want to let's talk about this

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cast, because that's a I think
you paint a very good picture there,

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because this is this movie is is
dark, but it's funny, but there's

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some some stuff going on you're not
sure about. There's a mystery, you

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know, is this a supernatural movie? Is it not. We're gonna find

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out. But uh, you mentioned
these three friends Amber. I want to

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I'm gonna actually rack and stack this
in order of who I think was the

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big draw for these three friends,
because when you hear these names. Nowadays

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we say these names and they're all
three legendary actresses. But in nineteen eighty

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seven, you gotta wonder who was
Who was the draw? Right, So

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let's talk about don't wonder, Okay, okay, I think was the draw.

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The draw's gotta be share Share Share. Is she's playing the role of

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Alexandra. She is coming off of
Silkwood that she was as you know,

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she was nominated for a Cameo Award
for She was in Mask, one of

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my favorite movies growing up. I
love that movie with Eric Stultz. Yes,

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and obviously she's Share Sonny and Cher
you know amazing, uh, you

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know singer. So I think Shar's
got to be the the heavy And I

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don't mean that in the physical sense. I mean that in the box office

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draw. She's got to be the
go to for this this trio, right,

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Yes, I one hundred percent agree
with that. Nobody was bigger than

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her in the eighties, Like she
just created this whole She's had so many

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careers. This was like her second
career where she was an amazing actress and

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then you know she went back to
music later on, like she just there's

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just stopping her. No, no
stopping her. Think about No, there's

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definitely no stopping Share. In nineteen
eighty seven, she's in the Witches of

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Eastwick. She's in a film called
Suspect with Dennis Quaid. Oh that movie

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is so good, you see.
Okay, I'm glad you've seen it because

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it is it's premier of Liam Neeson. Yes, and then let's not forget

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she's in She's also in Moonstruck,
which she wins the Oscar for Best Actress

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for Yes, Shares Happened to a
Hell of a Year nineteen eighty seven.

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Absolutely, she looks at this,
she looks at this script. She's offered

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the role of Jane, and she
says, Yeah, I think I'll go

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ahead and do this. I'll take
the role of Alexandra. At that time,

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it was already given to Susan Sarandon, though, and what I would

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think is a bit of a faux
pas in Hollywood. John Peter is the

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producer. He goes ahead and says, Okay, well we'll swap you guys,

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But no one tells the actresses about
the role swap until they arrive on

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set. And this leads Susan Sarandon
to not speak to Share for several weeks.

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Could you imagine your Susan Sarandon,
You're you're coming in, You're you're

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prepping for this role, You're ready
for this role, and then Hi,

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Share, Oh Hi, I'm ready
to play Alexander. Oh me too.

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Wait what you know? I know
We're gonna talk a little bit about more

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about John Peters later, but dude, that's so like he was such a

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lunatic, Like just that's underhanded,
you know, well, but it also

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I think it is of the time, and you know, I think he's

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probably one of those men that thinks, you know, oh, we have

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to pit these two against each other, so they really crackle on screen,

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and she he probably was stuff like
that, I'm gonna throw a name at

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you. I'm gonna throw a couple
of names at you. When we're talking

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about this trio. Angelica Houston auditioned
for the role of Alexandra. She didn't

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get it. Obviously, she didn't
get it, but they she knew I

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had it, like like before they
were even looking at Susan s Randon.

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They you know, she's not getting
it. But I was like, think

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about that, Like, isn't it. Like a year later, she she

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does end up playing a witch and
that that creepy kids movie The Witches,

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was that I think, Yeah,
she was so good in that too.

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Yeah, I think that worked out
well for everybody. Susan Sarandon we just

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mentioned. So again we're talking about
box office draw up until this, she's

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her big hits Rocky Horror Picture Show. Obviously, Uh, she does a

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small movie called Pretty Baby that's that
a lot of people know about, and

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then uh. The Hunger, which
might be the weirdest, oddest vampire film

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I've ever watched. Amongst the general
consensus among anybody that's seen that movie.

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Yeah, uh, she beats out
Kim Cattrall, which I could see Kim

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control playing this role, playing Je
playing Je. Maybe you think a little

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repress, little repressed and then let's
out her wild side. I mean maybe

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eighties era Kim Katral maybe. And
this is think about this, this is

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this is one year before Sarandon,
I think really finds her stardom. Bull

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Durham is just so and I think
maybe she got that movie because of this

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movie. I'm certain she got that
movie because of this movie. I think

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about this. You know, without
this movie, there's no Bull Durham.

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Without Bull Durham, there's no thumb
on Luise. So yeah, you know,

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yeah, I think, yeah,
it all worked out rounding out the

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role that this trio of friends.
For the role of Suki, they look

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at Daryl Hannah. Daryl Hannah refuses, she doesn't an audition, she doesn't

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want to read for it. She
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reasons. So yeah, okay,
you don't you don't want to be at

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like a foursome with two others stars
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Sure, Okay, that's okay,
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fish and you know, cave woman. But yeah, this is where her

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line was. Mermaids and cave women
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which Sleepy with Jack Nicholson is is
not that. But Michelle Pfeiffer did not

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have a problem with it. Probably
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least, the least talent, but
her claim to fame at this point before

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the Witches of East week, you
know Grease too, which I will not

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say a bad word about because und
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won't, but I was. I
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with Amanda Janic, who happens to
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leave that one alone. But Kevin's
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yeah, before You, we have
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a voodoo doll out of wax and
my my dirty laundry and a photo like

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so good job. But uh,
you know, she memorable role and Scarface

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and then Amber. How do you
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Lady Hawk? Oh my god,
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the most beautiful woman in the world. I mean in Lady Hawk, especially

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breathtaking and so talented, Like I
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been a while. I mean,
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should do Lady Hawk. Can we
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Okay? Absolutely? You heard it
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episode coming up. We're gonna do
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But uh, all right, so
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mentioned, not for any role in
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a lot of buzz that this film
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one of the one of the witches. I saw that and I just cannot,

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for the life of me figure out
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don't know, because like when you
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characters are they're very distinct. It's
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trouble telling their personalities apart. So
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you know, very very That's kind
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she's such a strong woman. Yeah, that I would see Pam Griers in

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Alpha, you know, she leads
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you know, I love Pam Greer. So don't take this the wrong way

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when I say this. I'm kind
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feel like Pam Grier's renaissance, her
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for sure, and that is such
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role because I would love to.
I would have love to have seen her

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in this, but I don't think
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I mean, and I like the
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Let's talk about the Let's talk about
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this this film has Bill Murray playing
Darryl van Horn and let's just let's let's

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let's let that marinate for just a
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specific role works. This definitely could
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on, no, no, it
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It would have been. But nobody
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and they do? You want to
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Heck? Yeah? What? Okay? I did not see that coming,

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not even one hundred miles away.
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research on this, I saw that
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make it into a television show later
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and it had several different iterations of
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ground, and the London production had
Ian McShane. Oh now there is a

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perfect and oh my god, that's
that's perfect casting right there. Ian McShane

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definitely could have played Darryl van Hold
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listen, so Bill Murray drops out, changes his mind and you remember this

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is like you know, Bill did
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kind of, you know, he
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bit. You know, he's not
he's not showing up, And I think

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that's kind of what happened here maybe
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he was like, all right,
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he doesn't, and then thankfully he
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for Scrooge. But so he drops
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Lady Hawk. Rutger Hower meets with
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He's pretty he's pretty solid. He's
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you know, and he's got that
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you know, and Lady Hawk.
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said, you know, Miller's not
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goes home to tell her boyfriend at
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for this part. I'm not gonna
get it. Oh, what's the part?

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Which is a Beastwick. Boyfriend is
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of playing the devil or a devil, and you know the connection between him

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and Miller is immediate. Oh so
so share and yeah, okay, yeah,

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I'll call George. We're gonna do
this. And Miller's just pleased his

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pie that you know he's got Jack
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Nicholson protects George Miller here because we
talked about Miller and the studio, right

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think your power for good. Yeah, So the studio like they're fighting back

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and forth with Miller. Miller is
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who I am. I'm I'm from
the Wasteland. You know, I made

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mad Max. So he starts refusing
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he asked for. So now we're
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to fire him. Jack Nicholson says, if you fire him, I'm off

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the project. So absolutely love the
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guys is fantastic in this I think
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I know we gotta get I know, I know we're we're going long here

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already, but uh, can we
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in this film? Because I know
you love her. We gotta talk about

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Veronica Kart right, I mean,
do we have to? I like,

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fast forward through all of that.
Shame on you, fast fast forward Verroca

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krt right. She is off the
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Yeah, but it's so gross,
Like I just, well, okay,

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I cannot It is gross, but
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humorous way, what do you Okay, let me ask you this. You

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know what, We'll move We'll move
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I gotta I gotta know better use
of Cherry's and vomiting in a film?

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Is it? Is it Nicholson and
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Or is it pretty much everybody in
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You gotta do you got a favorite? I'm like, is there another movie

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that's this gross? I'm gonna have
to go stand by me projectile vomiting.

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Yeah, the scene Isley you're your
Your love of alien is well documented.

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So I just I thought, Veronica
Cartwright, you're And I do love her

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in that movie for sure. She's
a great actress and everything. I don't

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know how much she gives to the
story other than you do need a sort

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of climax to their powers. They
need to know how dangerous what they're playing

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with it well, and we need
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she's kind of like his his amusement, because she starts off she's this pious

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woman, she's singing at the school
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of wholesomeness. And then she starts
doing like a a Reagan McNeil in The

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Exorcist, Like she starts saying some
really crass dialogue and she starts getting a

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little nasty looking, and yeah,
only like unfortunately for good, but she

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looks so crazy that nobody's listening to
what she's saying. And she's telling the

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truth, like she's they are playing
with the devil in that house. Her

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character is important because she I feel
like she's like the prophet right She's she's

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she's telling she's trying to warn the
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his machinations, like she doesn't have
a chance to be held, like no

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one's could taking her seriously because she's
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you mentioned, uh, you mentioned
that they had done a spin off.

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Uh, she's the only one that
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called Eastwick, and she actually reprises
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I don't know if it's any good. Probably not, because it didn't last

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more than a couple episodes. I
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didn't even get a whole season.
Yeah. Well, unfortunately, like it's

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a great story, it would be, it would be. I don't know

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why they can't get it off the
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good. Maybe I'll tell you what
we'll we'll talk about that and more when

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we return from these messages. We
were back Amber Lewis talking about the Witches

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of east Wick. Amber. This
is based off of the nineteen eighty four

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novel by John Updike, the same
name. I hadn't seen this in a

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long time. I was surprised when
I saw the name John Williams for score,

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because this is you know, you
don't think Witches of Eastwick when you

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think John Williams, but you should, because that man never took a day

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off in his life. Never,
He's still working. This gets nominated for

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Best Score, Best Sound as well, but William's getting a nomination for Best

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best score. Your thoughts on his
work in the Witches of Eastwick. Oh

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my gosh, I love the theme
for this movie. We were the house

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on the corner growing up that like
blared music and Halloween and like went all

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out with decorations and stuff. So
this piece of music was one of the

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things we played every year. I
watched this recently. I'm going through the

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credits, the credit, the sequet, the music playing of the credits might

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be my favorite music of the of
the of the movie. And I send

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you this message. William's score has
a bit of Harry Potter vibe, especially

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the end credits. It feels related
your your immediate response, I really disagree

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with this take. Well, I
did say a bit. I mean it's

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whimsical, like, okay, am
I am I way off on this.

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I mean I feel like he really
dialed Intoto the witchiness of it, and

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I think Harry Potter is more about, Hey, Harry Potter has fun of

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Yeah, magic and magic is not
dangerous. Magic is just fun and candy

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and you know, stuff like that. So this to me is much darker

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and and creepier and be careful what
you wish for kind of a vibe.

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So this is women dancing naked around
a bonfire. You know this is not

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little kids playing with sticks? All
right, well, I'll I told you

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I think well kids playing with hey, people are dying at Hogwarts. I'll

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remind you, like it was,
there was some darkness going on there.

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But you know, naked women dancing
at bonfires, kids playing with sticks,

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well, you know that's that's the
talk for another time. So there's there's

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two interesting things going on behind the
scenes. I want to talk about real

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quick. Can we First let's let's
discuss the madness of John Peters. He's

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he's producing this movie. Now,
Anyone that is a fan of Kevin Smith

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or the Tim Burton Superman knows that
John Peters loves to like insert himself into

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the story making process and for reasons
no one ever understands. He just wants,

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hey, let's have a giant spider. Why, you know, he

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tries to put a giant spider that
you know, as the stories go,

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tries to put like a giant you
know spider in the Superman movie That never

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happens, but guess what it does
end up in the wild, wild West

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with Will Smith. He's always thrown
up these goofy ideas, and he has

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a really goofy one, well not
goofy, it's just it's just downright stupid.

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And this have you do? You
know? Okay, yeah, like

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what does he want? What does
he want? The Witches of beast Wick?

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He wants Aliens to arrive, which
has nothing to do with anything anything,

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right, He goes so far.
He brings a man dressed up like

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an alien on set, demanding George
Miller put him in any scene, not

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just write as you know, he
doesn't say, hey, write a scene

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that makes sense. He just says, put this guy in any scene.

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Rumor has it he was a huge
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nineteen eighty six, which, hey, who is it you? And I

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love that movie. Everyone loves that
movie. Doesn't mean you just throw a

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Xeno morph into a New England town. I mean, right, hire Sigourney

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Weavers then, like show your love
that way. That would make that would

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have made a lot of sense.
I could see Sigourney Weaver ver Attica Cartwright

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together again, together again. Sigourney
could have played the Jane role. You

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know, Jane's a musician. Sigourney
was Dana Barrett and Ghostbusters that Nope.

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He he just says, put an
alien in here somehow so. But that's

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that like a cocaine fueled Hubris,
Like this started out at fourteen as a

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hairdresser. Like he's not afraid of
anything. He bullied his way. It's

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Hollywood in a way that's just legendary. So I'll never understand how he got

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to where he is, you know. Aside from this, like we said,

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Share shows up, says I want
this role, not that one.

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He says, Okay, he doesn't
even bother to call Susan's Rand and he

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just says, I guarantee you the
day Susan's Randon shows up on set and

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finds that out, it's it's him
telling like a PA, like, hey,

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I need you to go tell the
Susans Rand and this I'm not available

405
00:32:43.960 --> 00:32:45.880
for comment. He probably leaves,
you know, he's yep, he's probably

406
00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:49.880
in the theater watching Aliens for like
the fifth time, which I don't blame

407
00:32:49.960 --> 00:32:53.079
him for that, but yeah,
John Peter's just just being weird man.

408
00:32:53.200 --> 00:32:59.319
Yeah, I don't get it.
Another thing I really don't understand. George

409
00:32:59.319 --> 00:33:06.359
Miller has a real disdain for Share
and it's one thing to not be happy

410
00:33:06.519 --> 00:33:12.680
about working with someone, but George
Miller is incredibly transparent and open the entire

411
00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:16.720
time they're filming. Did you were
you aware of this? No? Okay,

412
00:33:16.759 --> 00:33:22.200
So he is on set and anytime
he wants to complain about something,

413
00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:28.880
he's complaining about Share allegedly he when
he says her name, he says it

414
00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:35.480
like using air quotes and openly and
not just complaining like on set, complaining

415
00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:42.640
on set in front of her Shares
autobiography, she even talks about how difficult

416
00:33:42.680 --> 00:33:49.039
their relationship was working together. She
claims that he called her on her like

417
00:33:49.079 --> 00:33:52.720
to wish her happy her fortieth birthday, calls her and what she thinks is

418
00:33:52.799 --> 00:33:57.759
at first is like a roast because
he's just saying everything he doesn't like about

419
00:33:57.759 --> 00:34:04.039
her physically and profession He just keeps
keeps ripping and like she hung up the

420
00:34:04.039 --> 00:34:06.799
phone in tears, like I don't
want you on this movie. You're not

421
00:34:06.880 --> 00:34:08.840
right for this role, you're too
old. Me and Jack both don't want

422
00:34:08.840 --> 00:34:12.880
you on here, like you know, and kind of throwing Jack Nicholson's name

423
00:34:12.920 --> 00:34:15.800
around. I was like, that's
if there's true, if that's true,

424
00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:21.559
like that is that is just terrible. I don't know. I wonder if

425
00:34:21.599 --> 00:34:23.519
it has something I mean, I
have no idea, but I wonder if

426
00:34:23.519 --> 00:34:27.400
it has something to do with like, like we said, she was so

427
00:34:27.519 --> 00:34:31.239
huge, yeah, and she's I
don't think she's anybody to be pushed around,

428
00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:36.159
and maybe he was like intimidated.
If I don't kind of bully her,

429
00:34:36.760 --> 00:34:39.000
she's not gonna do what I say. You think there's Well, that

430
00:34:39.199 --> 00:34:43.199
doesn't make it right the control things. Oh no, absolutely not. I'm

431
00:34:43.239 --> 00:34:45.480
just saying, like, I just
don't understand like that kind of behavior.

432
00:34:45.559 --> 00:34:49.679
So m hm. That's the only
reason why I can think you would do

433
00:34:49.719 --> 00:34:53.320
something like that is if you're intimidated
by this person, you're going to try

434
00:34:53.320 --> 00:34:57.719
to bully them first, you know, when you think that's the way you

435
00:34:57.760 --> 00:35:00.920
have to relate to them. I
am set a fan of share in this

436
00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:07.559
film, especially when she replies to
Jack Nicholson after like their lunch date and

437
00:35:07.599 --> 00:35:13.119
he he like strips in front of
her with his manservant and SLINKs into his

438
00:35:13.119 --> 00:35:14.639
bed. She's like, what do
you what do you think you're doing?

439
00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:21.800
And he's I'm not gonna repeat what
he says, you know, But her

440
00:35:21.920 --> 00:35:27.320
reply is it's a Hall of Fame. Apply reply, It's like Chevy Chase

441
00:35:27.320 --> 00:35:34.639
and Christmas Vacation on that that that
that rant listeners. If you have not

442
00:35:34.679 --> 00:35:37.480
seen this movie, I don't.
I haven't checked in, but I'm hoping

443
00:35:37.519 --> 00:35:39.880
that's on YouTube at least so you
could you could at least see that scene

444
00:35:40.320 --> 00:35:45.639
because Chaer is just crushing it in
her response and like what she thinks of

445
00:35:46.559 --> 00:35:51.880
Jack Nicholson's character in that in that
moment. I love that moment for share.

446
00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:54.920
Let's any scene come to mind for
you, any anything that you want

447
00:35:54.920 --> 00:35:58.960
to talk about, anything that,
like, you know, you absolutely loved

448
00:35:59.039 --> 00:36:06.719
or we My absolute I have two
My absolute two favorite scenes are when they

449
00:36:06.800 --> 00:36:12.599
are working their magic together. The
first scene is in the very beginning.

450
00:36:13.440 --> 00:36:15.719
They get together for a girl's night
and they don't even know that they're conjuring,

451
00:36:16.599 --> 00:36:22.159
and they're just talking about, you
know, okay, if we're gonna

452
00:36:22.159 --> 00:36:24.960
go out there and we're going to
try to find somebody, you know who,

453
00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:30.920
who do we want? Who's the
ideal man? And this is how

454
00:36:30.920 --> 00:36:36.760
they conjure Jack Nicholson and pull him
to the town. And that whole scene

455
00:36:36.960 --> 00:36:43.119
is just every I mean without the
conjuring but it's every girl's night I've ever

456
00:36:43.239 --> 00:36:47.719
had. You know, you're eating
junk and drinking martinis and bitching about you

457
00:36:47.760 --> 00:36:53.159
know, the guy in town that's
a slub, and you know it's just

458
00:36:53.639 --> 00:36:59.960
perfect. Like the chemistry between the
women is just it's delightful. It's fantastic.

459
00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:04.800
Now I'm gonna I'm gonna bring back
something that you said at the start

460
00:37:04.800 --> 00:37:08.119
of this. So they're talking about
the ideal guy, right, and they're

461
00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:15.920
the traits, the characteristics, yes, and they more or less do describe

462
00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:21.719
like what we get in Darryl Van
Horn Jack or Jack Jack Nicholson's character.

463
00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:24.920
He basically fits the bill because like
when he shows up, you know,

464
00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:30.480
I'm like this, Jack Nicholson is
what they're what what the ideal guy is,

465
00:37:31.079 --> 00:37:34.760
because like they're talking about like he's
gotta be good looking, and then

466
00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:37.440
one of them is like, no, not too good, just you know,

467
00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:42.800
good looking, and I'm thinking,
so, so Nicholson with a with

468
00:37:42.880 --> 00:37:45.159
a ponytail, That's that's what you're
going and and I'm just thinking he's repulsive.

469
00:37:46.119 --> 00:37:51.199
He's he's he's one step away from
Danny DeVito and twins with the ponytail.

470
00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:59.039
I'm just looking at but you said
you said yes to Jack Nicholson earlier,

471
00:37:59.400 --> 00:38:04.639
like Jack Nicholson is is he's bringing
the heat in this amber. It's

472
00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:08.400
less about his looks, although I
think he is very handsome. He's unusual

473
00:38:08.480 --> 00:38:14.320
looking. But yeah, with Jack
Nicholson though, for me, it's the

474
00:38:14.440 --> 00:38:20.719
charisma, like it's the way he
says what he says. And I mean

475
00:38:20.760 --> 00:38:24.519
he's just a smooth operator, I
think, especially in this movie. I

476
00:38:24.519 --> 00:38:28.280
mean, he can be disgusting.
You know, it depends on the movie

477
00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:35.800
you're watching. We on our limited
series nineteen ninety six, we did We

478
00:38:35.840 --> 00:38:38.639
did that Jackyl and Hyde movie.
What was it? Mary Riley? Yes?

479
00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:43.280
And I put you if I remember
right, I put you at the

480
00:38:43.280 --> 00:38:46.719
bar and I said, hey,
John Malkovich, Jekyl is at one end,

481
00:38:47.239 --> 00:38:51.480
John Malcovich Hide is at the other
end where your head. And you

482
00:38:51.679 --> 00:38:54.679
want to let it say you went
with John Malcovich Hide, which surprised me.

483
00:38:57.000 --> 00:39:00.000
So I'm gonna put you. I'm
sending you back to the bar and

484
00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:07.440
here comes a drink from nineteen eighty
seven Jack Nicholson, or at the other

485
00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:12.800
end, here's nineteen eighty seven Bill
Murray, and you're telling the bartender to

486
00:39:12.880 --> 00:39:16.639
send Bill Murray's drink back. Well, I'll tell you what like when Jack

487
00:39:16.719 --> 00:39:22.880
Nicholson, when Darryl Van Horn first
propositions Alexandra, it's very crude, it's

488
00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:28.840
extremely crude, and she just rubs
him apart. Yeah, and she starts

489
00:39:28.840 --> 00:39:31.760
to walk away and he turns over
on the bed and he looks at her

490
00:39:31.800 --> 00:39:35.039
and goes, well, if that's
the way you feel about it, that's

491
00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:38.119
you feel about it? Is that
the way you feel about it? And

492
00:39:38.199 --> 00:39:44.800
I'm telling you Panny's off. I'd
be like, okay, I can't believe

493
00:39:44.840 --> 00:39:52.239
you just used that expression. That's
I mean, it's a right, No,

494
00:39:52.280 --> 00:39:54.079
this is not this is a worst
dream. Oh no, I'm sorry

495
00:39:54.239 --> 00:39:59.519
for everything. Oh no, don't
apologize. Well edit that out. We

496
00:39:59.639 --> 00:40:04.079
will not hit that out. You
know your your creed behavior stands your your

497
00:40:04.119 --> 00:40:09.840
your your Van Horne stands. Darren
can get it saying okay that that that

498
00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:16.559
surprises me. I would I would
love to hear you know almost half of

499
00:40:16.599 --> 00:40:22.199
our audience is female. I would
love if they would just email us,

500
00:40:22.239 --> 00:40:29.280
hit us up to tell me.
You wouldn't be like, all right,

501
00:40:29.719 --> 00:40:31.960
I want to know where I want
to know where our listeners lie. On

502
00:40:31.960 --> 00:40:35.559
this one, you know, is
it is it Nicholson or is it Murray

503
00:40:35.559 --> 00:40:40.559
in nineteen seven? Who's who is
dropping your panties? Remember that's fantastic?

504
00:40:42.679 --> 00:40:46.840
All right? So I'll tell you
what. Let's take one more break so

505
00:40:46.880 --> 00:40:50.679
we can compose ourselves, and then
when we get back we got we're gonna

506
00:40:50.679 --> 00:40:55.960
talk a little bit about George Miller
and his his filmography. We are back

507
00:40:57.119 --> 00:41:00.480
and we are ready to discuss George
Miller. So so Amber, I'm gonna

508
00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:07.079
give you two fun facts that you
may or may not know, our listeners

509
00:41:07.079 --> 00:41:09.599
may or may not know. And
I and a pretty nice quote from the

510
00:41:09.639 --> 00:41:15.719
man who doesn't get along with share. First off, and if you have

511
00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:20.119
listened to our limited series of film
at forty five, I know last month

512
00:41:20.280 --> 00:41:25.320
Scott and David did an awesome episode
on Mad Max. This is where and

513
00:41:25.320 --> 00:41:29.679
this is where I learned it.
So I'm cheating. I'm kind of stealing

514
00:41:29.719 --> 00:41:35.719
their homework. But George Miller was
a medical doctor before he was a film

515
00:41:35.760 --> 00:41:43.239
director. No, no go,
I did the fact check. They're right,

516
00:41:44.119 --> 00:41:47.320
that's actually that's how he made money. He made money for the budget

517
00:41:47.320 --> 00:41:52.320
for Mad Max. He was a
medical doctor. He went to some Film

518
00:41:52.360 --> 00:41:54.920
Festival, fell in love with movies
and decided I want to make one myself.

519
00:41:55.000 --> 00:41:59.719
So you know, wow, yeah, medical Doctor. He's like the

520
00:42:00.400 --> 00:42:05.559
Australia and Michael Creighton. Yeah.
Another fun fact and I you know,

521
00:42:05.599 --> 00:42:10.480
I don't mean to make this a
mad Max faq, But in nineteen ninety

522
00:42:10.519 --> 00:42:15.320
seven he was supposed to be directing
a film for Warner Brothers called Contact.

523
00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:20.199
Did you ever see that one with
Matthew McConaughey and Jodie Foster. It's only

524
00:42:20.280 --> 00:42:23.320
like one of my favorite books and
one of my favorite mecas. Yes,

525
00:42:23.880 --> 00:42:30.239
it almost was. He was,
and there was a there was some serious,

526
00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:36.840
uh creative differences happening. The only
way Warner Brothers could figure out a

527
00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:37.760
way to get rid of him because
they, you know, they I think

528
00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:40.159
of what is who is? It's
a mechas that directs that one. Yes,

529
00:42:40.679 --> 00:42:45.039
yeah, so they they've got some
mechas waiting in the wings, and

530
00:42:45.079 --> 00:42:47.159
they're like, we got to get
rid of George. They give him the

531
00:42:47.280 --> 00:42:53.440
rights to Mad Max too, The
Road Warrior and Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome.

532
00:42:54.199 --> 00:43:00.960
They give him the rights to make
him go away. And had they not

533
00:43:00.039 --> 00:43:05.320
done that, we wouldn't have mad
Max Fury Road. We wouldn't have Furiosa,

534
00:43:05.519 --> 00:43:09.599
a Mad Max tale in theaters this
this past weekend. So someone at

535
00:43:09.599 --> 00:43:15.079
Warner Broth, thank you Warner Brothers
exactly right in the late nineties because they

536
00:43:15.159 --> 00:43:17.760
just you know, there wasn't there
wasn't gonna be any more mad Max and

537
00:43:17.800 --> 00:43:21.639
now that. And then once he
gets complete control over it, he's like,

538
00:43:21.639 --> 00:43:23.840
oh, I'll do whatever I want
now, so right, take my

539
00:43:23.960 --> 00:43:31.079
gazillion dollars now. On the process
of filmmaking, this is what George Miller

540
00:43:31.119 --> 00:43:36.239
has to say. He says,
and I quote, I see filmmaking as

541
00:43:36.239 --> 00:43:40.679
a strange journey. In mythology,
the trickster leads you into the forest.

542
00:43:42.079 --> 00:43:46.000
Film is to me the trickster.
I think I can be around one thousand

543
00:43:46.119 --> 00:43:51.880
years and never understand the process.
Kind of poetic, wouldn't you say,

544
00:43:52.400 --> 00:43:55.320
Yes, I love it. Let's
uh, we're gonna, we're gonna,

545
00:43:55.960 --> 00:44:04.519
We're gonna cruise through his filmography as
if we were on Fury Road. Listen,

546
00:44:04.559 --> 00:44:07.800
we talked about he does his directory. W If We're being Fair is

547
00:44:07.840 --> 00:44:13.920
an Australian film called The Devil in
Evening Dress from nineteen seventy five. There's

548
00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:17.280
no information. You can't you can't
stream it. I wonder why I even

549
00:44:17.360 --> 00:44:22.599
bring it up. But nineteen seventy
nine he blows the doors off of the

550
00:44:22.760 --> 00:44:28.960
entire world with Mad Max and a
young Mel Gibson. I'm not gonna say

551
00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:32.719
another word about it. Go check
out our episode a film at forty five

552
00:44:34.039 --> 00:44:38.719
Mad Max because Scott and Dave are
just dropping all kinds of amazing information.

553
00:44:39.400 --> 00:44:44.519
Amber, I know you're a Mad
Max fan. Where's the original life for

554
00:44:44.559 --> 00:44:50.119
you? Are you a fan?
Uh? Sue? I have never seen

555
00:44:50.760 --> 00:45:00.599
a single frame of the first three
that I know from Mad Max before Fury

556
00:45:00.679 --> 00:45:06.280
Road is the Tina Turner. We
don't need another hero music video. I

557
00:45:06.360 --> 00:45:14.360
can't stand that kind of future.
And everybody is gross and just rotting things

558
00:45:14.440 --> 00:45:21.039
and skulls and yeah, it's post
apocalyptic nop. I have never killed each

559
00:45:21.039 --> 00:45:25.159
other for gasoline yep, never once
watched any of them. And then until

560
00:45:25.159 --> 00:45:32.719
Fury you are missing out on some
awesome, awesome movies. I'm so sad.

561
00:45:34.199 --> 00:45:38.239
I told you I player oh man, Yeah, at the commercial break,

562
00:45:38.239 --> 00:45:40.039
You're like, I'm gonna blow your
mind. When we talked about from

563
00:45:40.320 --> 00:45:43.320
like, oh what'd you learn what
you bought? Yeah? I didn't.

564
00:45:43.320 --> 00:45:47.920
I didn't see that coming. No
man, nineteen eighty one, Mad Max

565
00:45:47.960 --> 00:45:52.360
two, The Road Warrior, and
I talked to Dave about this. That

566
00:45:52.519 --> 00:45:57.000
was my introduction to Mad Max.
I saw it on HBO with my older

567
00:45:57.039 --> 00:46:01.519
cousins supposed to like thought the Road
Warrior was. It loved it well because

568
00:46:01.519 --> 00:46:05.360
it was built as the Road Warrior
Wasn't you know? It was only selected

569
00:46:05.360 --> 00:46:07.519
markets that called it Mad Max two. And when my older cousins were like,

570
00:46:07.599 --> 00:46:10.760
oh, you don't even know,
and then we went to the video

571
00:46:10.800 --> 00:46:15.880
store and got Mad Max, I
was, oh, I was in post

572
00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:20.599
apocalyptic Kevin. Okay, let's let's
jump to nineteen eighty three. I know

573
00:46:20.639 --> 00:46:22.559
you've seen this film. Well no, I shouldn't say I no. I

574
00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:28.880
hope you show the film twilight Zone
the movie. He directs what I think

575
00:46:29.000 --> 00:46:32.280
is probably my favorite segment of the
of the film. He does the segment

576
00:46:32.360 --> 00:46:36.760
Nightmare at twenty thousand feet with John. At least it's the segment where no

577
00:46:36.800 --> 00:46:38.679
one was murdered, so you know, well, yeah, I's got that

578
00:46:38.760 --> 00:46:43.840
going before it. It's got a
lot more than that going for it.

579
00:46:43.840 --> 00:46:46.800
It's there are this is Yes,
it's a really good segment because you're remaking

580
00:46:47.159 --> 00:46:52.719
one of the most famous Twilight Zone
episodes. Yeah, William Shatner, but

581
00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:57.840
John Lithgow does a great job.
I think. I think Shatner's Tilet's Own

582
00:46:57.880 --> 00:47:00.599
episode is one of my all time
favorite Twilights episodes. But but let Go

583
00:47:01.559 --> 00:47:07.280
really dials it up. He makes
that character's own. It's scary. Well,

584
00:47:07.280 --> 00:47:10.880
and they came up with such a
better gremlin too. Oh goshya that

585
00:47:10.920 --> 00:47:15.760
grip. That thing scared me.
That thing is terrifying. So nineteen three,

586
00:47:15.880 --> 00:47:19.280
I was terrified of seeing that thing
outside, Like we're taking a trip

587
00:47:19.320 --> 00:47:22.639
and it's dark and rainy. I'm
terrified that thing's you know, it's gonna

588
00:47:22.639 --> 00:47:28.039
be be out there. Begrudgingly,
I will skip past nineteen eighty five when

589
00:47:28.280 --> 00:47:32.239
it's Mad Max Beyond Thunderdoom, which
is awesome, but you haven't seen it,

590
00:47:32.280 --> 00:47:37.559
so I just know that the glorious
Tina Turner did a bang song for

591
00:47:37.679 --> 00:47:43.599
it. Well, she does a
She has a glorious performance too. You're

592
00:47:43.639 --> 00:47:49.119
missing out. She is fantastic in
the role. I digress. You want

593
00:47:49.159 --> 00:47:52.039
to talk briefly nineteen ninety two,
you want to talk about Lorenzo's Oil.

594
00:47:52.920 --> 00:47:55.079
Yeah, I mean, it's it's
too bad we couldn't have done both.

595
00:47:55.119 --> 00:48:00.559
But they're so completely different. But
Lorenzo's Oil is a beautiful story. It's

596
00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:07.480
based on a true story about a
little boy with a degenerative disease and his

597
00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:13.920
parents, you know, working to
find any kind of treatment that will,

598
00:48:14.559 --> 00:48:16.559
you know, alleviate his symptoms,
that give him a better quality of life.

599
00:48:17.320 --> 00:48:22.119
This is a this is just a
few years after The Witches of Eastwick.

600
00:48:23.000 --> 00:48:28.480
He's uh, he reconnects with Susan
Sarandon. Clearly, Share is not

601
00:48:28.480 --> 00:48:30.800
going to be the one, right, No one called for Lorenz's Oil.

602
00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:37.719
But Sarandon just incredible in this film, right, She's she's nominated for the

603
00:48:37.119 --> 00:48:42.760
Best Actress oscar Yeah, I can't
remember who she lost out to, but

604
00:48:45.639 --> 00:48:49.880
ninety two might have been Jeddi Foster. Well it was ninety this was ninety

605
00:48:49.880 --> 00:48:52.079
three, So all you're all you're
saying, maybe she lost out to Jeddy

606
00:48:52.079 --> 00:48:57.599
Foster. Bad maybe at any rate, I mean, she really plays a

607
00:48:57.719 --> 00:49:04.679
very you know, forceful, loving, fierce mother. You know, kind

608
00:49:04.679 --> 00:49:07.760
of sets her up to play more
moms in the future. Yeah, George

609
00:49:07.800 --> 00:49:15.199
Miller, he gets the uh,
the nomination the Best Screenplay just it's it's

610
00:49:15.199 --> 00:49:19.000
a it's a fantastic film. Yeah, it really is beautiful, and I

611
00:49:19.400 --> 00:49:22.280
mean from the guy that made that
next you get there, yeah, like

612
00:49:23.360 --> 00:49:30.960
yeah, yeah that the idea that
that the wasteland can give birth to something

613
00:49:31.000 --> 00:49:36.280
like Lorenzo's Oil is truly spectacular.
And that's something that a lot of people

614
00:49:36.280 --> 00:49:40.559
have always said about George Miller.
He has one of the most eclectic catalogs.

615
00:49:40.880 --> 00:49:45.400
I mean, he is all over
the map and nothing could be further

616
00:49:45.440 --> 00:49:50.440
from the truth. Because in nineteen
ninety eight he does Babe, Pig in

617
00:49:50.480 --> 00:49:57.639
the City. I'll do Pig George
Miller, Babe, come on, get

618
00:49:57.679 --> 00:50:01.119
me serious, and then follows it
with the Happy Feet, with that Happy

619
00:50:01.159 --> 00:50:05.320
Fee in two thousand and six he
does Happy Feet. Now, now it's

620
00:50:05.360 --> 00:50:10.760
like, hey, this this amazing
animated film that's got all this critical claim

621
00:50:10.840 --> 00:50:13.960
is out. Oh who did it? Oh you know the guy that did

622
00:50:14.000 --> 00:50:17.559
Mad Max. Yeah yeah it's him. No, no, it's not no,

623
00:50:17.559 --> 00:50:22.679
no really, And anyone could say
maybe he's lost his edge, and

624
00:50:22.719 --> 00:50:25.719
then well, well yeah, because
two thousand and six he does Happy Feet.

625
00:50:25.760 --> 00:50:30.559
Twenty eleven, it's Happy Feet two. Now we're starting to think we're

626
00:50:30.599 --> 00:50:34.800
the the Warner Brothers exects right,
and is he soft? Is he a

627
00:50:34.880 --> 00:50:37.639
weak? Is he weak? Well, he answers everybody, because twenty fifteen

628
00:50:38.039 --> 00:50:40.639
he's back with mad Max Fury Road. He took all that Warner Brothers,

629
00:50:42.199 --> 00:50:50.199
all those rights, gives us this
high octane, explosive chase sequence that takes

630
00:50:50.239 --> 00:50:53.559
two hours to get to get finished. I love Fury Road. It is

631
00:50:53.599 --> 00:50:59.079
fantastic, so good and not I
mean we already said not remotely my movie

632
00:50:59.159 --> 00:51:01.920
at all, but boy, did
I enjoy it. I'll tell you it's

633
00:51:01.920 --> 00:51:05.840
something I might have to I might
have to load you my copy. But

634
00:51:06.280 --> 00:51:08.480
you might not know this. There
there is on the Collector's edition, the

635
00:51:08.519 --> 00:51:14.159
Blu Ray. There is a black
and white version of Matt Max Ferry Road

636
00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:17.679
called It's the Black and Chrome Edition. And you would think, like,

637
00:51:17.760 --> 00:51:22.039
because this movie had it's so the
colors are so vivid, and the cinematography

638
00:51:22.119 --> 00:51:25.440
is gorgeous and the action is just
intense, you think I can't watch this

639
00:51:25.480 --> 00:51:30.599
in black and white, And you
would be wrong, because it's awesome.

640
00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:34.679
It sounds really interesting. All right, I'll tell you what I'm gonna get.

641
00:51:34.679 --> 00:51:36.559
I'm gonna get you. I'm gonna
get you. I'm gonna loan you

642
00:51:36.599 --> 00:51:38.199
my copy because you gotta see it. I think I think you're gonna like

643
00:51:38.239 --> 00:51:43.079
it. Okay, so something,
I'll be fair. I haven't seen it,

644
00:51:43.119 --> 00:51:45.239
so I don't know if I'm liking
it, but I remember sitting in

645
00:51:45.239 --> 00:51:47.480
a theater. I was sitting in
a theater. I don't even remember what

646
00:51:47.519 --> 00:51:52.360
the movie was, but I remember
the preview. Me and Dave are about

647
00:51:52.360 --> 00:51:57.079
to watch something, and then from
visionary director George Miller, and I got

648
00:51:57.119 --> 00:52:00.559
excited in a hurry because Furry Road
had just had happened, and it's this

649
00:52:00.599 --> 00:52:05.559
movie called Three Thousand Years of Longing. Have you seen one yet? I

650
00:52:05.679 --> 00:52:10.800
have not, but I was definitely
on my list. Uh, just because

651
00:52:10.840 --> 00:52:15.679
of Idris Elba. Is this one
of the weirdest trailers you've ever seen?

652
00:52:16.639 --> 00:52:21.440
I mean, I honestly couldn't tell
you what's gonna be about, but I'm

653
00:52:21.840 --> 00:52:24.440
I mean, it looks there I'm
in well, okay, so it looks

654
00:52:24.480 --> 00:52:29.880
like it almost looks like like,
uh, this woman has taken like some

655
00:52:29.960 --> 00:52:36.039
kind of eat prey, love tour
or pilgrimage. She buys this little lamp

656
00:52:36.079 --> 00:52:39.280
and then she she's cleaning it and
oh guess what it's a magic lamp,

657
00:52:39.480 --> 00:52:45.599
a genie appears, and in the
genies a ginormous Idris Elba. It's got

658
00:52:45.639 --> 00:52:51.280
this weird music and like I never
have Well, the last time I saw

659
00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:58.719
a trailer that was was this confusing
and and yet intriguing was probably pulp fictions

660
00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:04.719
back in the nineties. I was
thinking everything everywhere all at once. Okay,

661
00:53:04.800 --> 00:53:07.039
yeah, you know what, I
will thank you for clarifying that.

662
00:53:07.119 --> 00:53:10.960
Yeah, that's I watched that trailer
and I was like, what's going on?

663
00:53:12.159 --> 00:53:15.199
What the hell is going on?
And I had that feeling with three

664
00:53:15.199 --> 00:53:19.960
thousand years of longing, but it
wasn't enough for me to go I want

665
00:53:20.000 --> 00:53:22.920
to know what's going on. And
it's streaming right now. I you know,

666
00:53:23.000 --> 00:53:27.599
it's out there, and I still
have. I brought myself to watch

667
00:53:27.639 --> 00:53:30.360
it because and I'm like, wait, what's what? Want? You love

668
00:53:30.360 --> 00:53:34.599
eat Yourselba? You love George Miller. Well, it's kind of like you

669
00:53:34.639 --> 00:53:36.800
don't know what mood you need to
be in to watch it. Like I

670
00:53:37.039 --> 00:53:42.039
don't want to be a romance or
an adventure or a fantasy from the trailer.

671
00:53:42.079 --> 00:53:44.920
I just assume I need to be
high as a kite, you know,

672
00:53:45.039 --> 00:53:49.159
because because I don't know what the
hell is going on that one that's

673
00:53:49.199 --> 00:53:52.280
a holiday weekend. Maybe this is
the weekend. Uh, not for me,

674
00:53:52.519 --> 00:53:57.920
not for me. Uh. So
we got to talk about what's next

675
00:53:58.199 --> 00:54:04.559
for mister Miller because I'm excited.
He is in production on Mad Max The

676
00:54:04.599 --> 00:54:09.559
Wasteland. Now. I am hoping
and praying that Furiosa. It's so far

677
00:54:09.559 --> 00:54:15.679
it hasn't blown the box office up
just yet, but you know, it's

678
00:54:15.719 --> 00:54:17.840
only had one weekend, so I
think we're gonna get there. But it

679
00:54:17.920 --> 00:54:22.039
did. It is up against a
big budget, so you know, the

680
00:54:22.119 --> 00:54:28.360
word has it. Tom Hardy is
back as Max, and The Wasteland is

681
00:54:28.400 --> 00:54:36.119
supposed to take place after Furiosa and
before Fury Road. So why Miller is

682
00:54:36.159 --> 00:54:38.320
doing this? I've got a trilogy, and I'm gonna give you three.

683
00:54:38.360 --> 00:54:40.440
Then I'm gonna give you one.
The I'm gonna give you two. He's

684
00:54:40.480 --> 00:54:45.480
all over the place with it.
But sign me up. If the words

685
00:54:45.519 --> 00:54:49.719
mad Max are the title, I
don't care who's starring. As long as

686
00:54:49.719 --> 00:54:54.000
George Miller's directing. I'm there for
it. You're there, yeah, Amber,

687
00:54:54.119 --> 00:54:59.199
I know you recommend seeing this film. Any final thoughts about the Witches

688
00:54:59.199 --> 00:55:02.719
of Eastwick. You know, it
really holds up. It's an eighty six

689
00:55:02.840 --> 00:55:08.239
movie that you know, I feel
or excuse me, eighty seven that does

690
00:55:08.320 --> 00:55:14.360
not feel like you know, you're
watching some dated thing. It's got,

691
00:55:14.559 --> 00:55:20.000
you know, great performances, great
chemistry. You know, do a double

692
00:55:20.039 --> 00:55:22.559
feature with The Craft for Halloween.
You know I was gonna offer you,

693
00:55:22.639 --> 00:55:25.239
I was, I got a different
double feature. I'll offer you because that

694
00:55:25.239 --> 00:55:30.280
one is pretty fantastic. I think
that. I think the Witches of Eastwick.

695
00:55:30.119 --> 00:55:34.760
Without that, you might not get
something like The Craft maybe, or

696
00:55:34.840 --> 00:55:37.760
practical magic or hocus Pocus. I
think I think this one kind of put

697
00:55:37.760 --> 00:55:39.840
Witches on the map, made him
cool again in Hollywood. Yeah, for

698
00:55:39.880 --> 00:55:42.719
sure, I like that. I
like that double feature. I was going

699
00:55:42.800 --> 00:55:45.880
to give you a different double feature. I say, you pair this with

700
00:55:45.440 --> 00:55:52.840
Needful Things. Oh yes, mysterious
Stranger comes to a New England town and

701
00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:57.480
turns it upside down. And because
I love that one, and Meanful Things

702
00:55:57.559 --> 00:56:02.199
is so good, great book rate
film adaptation, the great Max Fon.

703
00:56:04.079 --> 00:56:09.119
Yeah, Max ed Harris and he's
playing the Devil. So this is this

704
00:56:09.199 --> 00:56:13.920
is your if you want your for
me, it's the Devil comes to New

705
00:56:13.960 --> 00:56:20.119
England double feature Max Foncido, Jack
Nicholson, Yeah, it's these two movies.

706
00:56:21.360 --> 00:56:23.800
Absolutely love this one. It's it's
not streaming, but you can't rent

707
00:56:23.800 --> 00:56:27.559
it. I rented this one on
Prime. What about you? Yeah,

708
00:56:27.679 --> 00:56:30.280
I went ahead and bought it on
Prime. Oh you went and bought it?

709
00:56:30.280 --> 00:56:34.000
Okay, I should have. I
regret that now, listeners, what

710
00:56:34.079 --> 00:56:37.679
do you think of the Witches of
Eastwick? You can let us know on

711
00:56:37.719 --> 00:56:42.280
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712
00:56:42.280 --> 00:56:45.960
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713
00:56:45.960 --> 00:56:49.400
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714
00:56:49.400 --> 00:56:52.119
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715
00:56:52.719 --> 00:56:57.320
We may just read your response on
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716
00:56:57.360 --> 00:57:01.119
by swag. You can join us
tomorrow for our Star Trek theme series Phasers

717
00:57:01.119 --> 00:57:06.880
Set to Stun. Wayne, David
and Scott are continuing the recap of the

718
00:57:06.880 --> 00:57:08.639
final season of Discovery. I think
they only got a couple episodes left and

719
00:57:08.679 --> 00:57:13.559
then I'm not sure what those guys
got for us next, but it'll it'll.

720
00:57:13.760 --> 00:57:15.880
I can't wait. They're knocking out
of the park so far. I

721
00:57:15.920 --> 00:57:20.199
don't know, but I'm sure it
will be stellar. Speaking of Stellar,

722
00:57:21.199 --> 00:57:24.760
On Friday, our limited series A
Film at forty five will celebrate the forty

723
00:57:24.760 --> 00:57:31.320
fifth anniversary of Ridley Scott's Alien,
and next time on a film by Amber,

724
00:57:31.360 --> 00:57:37.960
our friend Dayton Johnson will be here. He is going to discuss a

725
00:57:37.000 --> 00:57:44.119
film by Stephen Herrick talking about Rockstar
with Mark Wahlberg. Ah, Okay,

726
00:57:45.280 --> 00:57:47.360
I have to believe he's gonna love
it. You know, I thought Rockstar

727
00:57:47.800 --> 00:57:53.360
eighties metal. That's Dayton Johnson.
Right, it's as well. I think

728
00:57:53.360 --> 00:57:55.840
he's gonna love it. I could
be wrong, though, we'll find out.

729
00:57:57.639 --> 00:58:00.000
But as always, I definitely want
to thank you, uh, you

730
00:58:00.039 --> 00:58:04.239
know for hanging out this week.
You know you just did. We just

731
00:58:04.280 --> 00:58:06.800
talked about Romeo and Juliet a couple
days ago, and now we're talking about

732
00:58:07.559 --> 00:58:10.559
uh George Miller. Sounds like we're
gonna be talking about Lady Hawk in the

733
00:58:10.559 --> 00:58:15.159
New York future. So I'm definitely
excited for that. But uh yeah,

734
00:58:15.159 --> 00:58:17.519
it was a good time. Absolutely, it was uh yeah. We got

735
00:58:17.559 --> 00:58:22.960
to and then we got on Patreon, you know you and I got we

736
00:58:22.960 --> 00:58:25.840
got another lost episode from nineteen eighty
six coming up. We're doing Armed in

737
00:58:25.920 --> 00:58:30.239
Dangerous. Yeah, Armed and Dangerous. I'm looking forward to that one.

738
00:58:30.639 --> 00:58:37.039
That's that one was a favorite of
mine in childhood. As a reminder you,

739
00:58:37.519 --> 00:58:42.320
if you're not ready to sign up
and get all the exclusive episodes and

740
00:58:42.360 --> 00:58:45.000
the bonus content that we're dropping on
Patreon, go ahead and go over there

741
00:58:45.159 --> 00:58:50.360
sign up for free because Amber we're
doing free episodes here and there right.

742
00:58:51.119 --> 00:58:52.800
Yes, it's such a great way
to kind of dip in and say what

743
00:58:52.800 --> 00:58:58.000
we're all about. Yeah, I'll
tell you you check out a free episode

744
00:58:58.039 --> 00:59:00.400
and then maybe sign up for a
free seven day trial and if you like

745
00:59:00.480 --> 00:59:06.679
what you like what you hear,
just keep subscribing and listeners. As always,

746
00:59:07.119 --> 00:59:10.159
for those of you subscribing, sharing
and following the film by podcast,

747
00:59:10.960 --> 00:59:38.519
we thank you. I think about
this. You know, without this movie,

748
00:59:38.559 --> 00:59:40.639
there's no Bull Durham. Without Bull
Durham, there's no lead of their

749
00:59:40.679 --> 00:59:44.760
own. She's not in the lead
of their own. So I'll scratch all

750
00:59:45.119 --> 00:59:45.079
edit that out later