Oct. 27, 2025

Guillermo del Toro - The Devil's Backbone

Guillermo del Toro - The Devil's Backbone
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Season 6A Film By...

Our scary movie coverage continues with Guillermo del Toro's 2001 Spanish language thriller, The Devil's Backbone! Amber shares her love for the director's unique ghost story while attempting to temper Jeff's expectations. 

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Let's talk scary movie sub genres. Ghosts, slashers, zombies, monsters,

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what is your go to?

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It's probably a tie between ghosts and vampires, but probably

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more ghosts, the kind of houses.

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Even in a cold open you're gonna, Amber Lewis the answer.

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I'd even say, I didn't even say vampires, and you're like,

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it's vampire. You know this, this or that, it's it's vampires. Well,

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you said ghosts, so I did. In that case. Uh,

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let's let's talk ghosts. Let's talk about a film by

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Guillel mel del Toro, his two thousand and one underrated

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gothic ghost film The Devil's Backbone. Hello everybody, I'm Jeff Johnson,

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I'm Amber Lewis, and this is a film by podcast Amber.

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I I'm excited because it's October. We've been talking about

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scary movies all month long, as we as we typically do,

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and you like, we're putting the we're putting the show

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together months ago. You're like, hey, I'm in I want

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to talk del Toro, And immediately my thought was, okay,

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I gotta go ahead and tell her that we can't

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do Crimson Peak because we already did it. You know

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that's probably what she wants to talk about. And then

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you you come back and you're like it it's got

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to be the Devil's back boom. Yeah, And I was like,

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I was like, oh, okay, okay, my question to you,

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because you could have picked any director, you could have mostly,

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you could have picked any movie, and you were all

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for Del Tour. What's what's the deal with del Tour?

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Why is he your guy?

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I have such a crush on him, like it's Christopher Nolan,

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And then like half a step below is Garima del Toro.

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Like he is the most intelligent, sensitive, aeradite, amazing guy,

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and if you listen to any interview of his, you

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just completely fall in love with him. And then he

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creates these movies that are just creepy and kind of

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gross but beautiful, and it's just he's just fascinating to me.

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I don't think there's another director that can merge beauty

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and horror as expertly as he does. I'm with you

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on this, I'm with you on this.

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Yeah under percent.

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Yeah, well, and this isn't your first time talking about

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your boy Giomo right no over on.

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The docum Base seventy seven podcast last year, we did

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an episode on Mimic, which is not one of his

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greatest for many many reasons, and we go very deep

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into that, but I also get to just expound about

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how wonderful he is. So it's one of my favorite

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episodes that we've done.

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I if you weren't going to bring it up, I

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That's that's why I had to mention it right now,

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because I thought that was a fantastic episode and it

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helped me understand why you wanted to do a del

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Toro film here. And I'm already like, I'm already thinking, like, well,

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what's what's the next del Tora film that we can do,

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you know, next season or you know season after that. Well,

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we'll we'll we'll have to we'll have to have that conversation.

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But before we get to the Devil's Backbone, I got

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a shout out. We got another new Patreon member joining us. Yeah, absolutely,

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Chris Weber. I know he's listening. Chris is Amber. Chris

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is an awesome guy. Uh. You know how every group

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has that one guy who has like an encyclopedia knowledge

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with like records or you know, music or movies. We

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all we all have that the go to guy in

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the group, right, like Phaser sets a stun. Wayne is

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basically data or mister Spock, like he knows everything. I'm

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a star trek, right, Yes, Chris, good buddy, Chris. Uh,

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this is the guy who can tell you anything when

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it comes to vinyl. I I just you know, I

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got the shop with him a couple of weeks ago.

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We're we're actually in Missouri for the Shirley Fest, uh,

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for with our with our good friends Jason d from

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the Shirley You Keep Serious podcast, and Chris is like, hey,

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I found this, found this this spot in town. You

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got some vintage and just watching it, he was like

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a surgeon. It was it was just it was it

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was cool to see and he final he found something

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that was like I don't know, Chris. Chris is probably

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laughing because he's like, yeah, he has no idea what

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he's talking about. But but it looked it was it

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was very rare, like like I watched Chris look at

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this thing and examine, you know, examine the actual record.

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It was like watching Indiana Jones look at you know,

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a relic.

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So I love people like that that just have that

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niche knowledge.

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Yeah, fantastic guy. Uh, Chris, We're very happy to have

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you on patroon. I already told him. I was like, listen,

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you give us some feedback, you know, you tell us,

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you know, because Amber, we got like fifty exclusive episodes

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over there. Now, like the only way you can get

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to it is through Patreon. So I told Chris is like, hey, man,

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check it, check it out and let us know what's

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working over there. Speaking of Patreon, earlier this month, we

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did another entry in our film by Request for one

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of our Patreon members, like Chris, Amber, you, David and Wayne.

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Let everyone listening know that they should they should cross

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Poltergeist and I love those boys. We had such a

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good time and Wayne did a great like breakdown of

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the soundtrack as always, We just had a fantastic time

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I real quick. The thing about Patreon that I love,

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Throw in absolutely all. Right, now that the Patreon talk

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is out of the way, Amber, let's talk about mister

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del Toro. Can you listen. I've talked about him before

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a couple of seasons ago. This is your guy, Why

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don't you if you're up for it, can you give

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us maybe a couple of fun facts, maybe a quote

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from the man.

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Yes, I tried to keep it short and I can

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go on and on, and tried to do something like

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a little different. So for the facts, one of my

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favorite things about him is how much he loves fairy

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tales and the horror genre and movies and all kinds

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of art. So he actually has a second house that

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he is filled with over ten thousand items, pieces of art, sculptures,

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things from his films, different other pieces of movie memorabilia.

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And then he's got the rooms divided into libraries with

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different books. I mean, it's just this treasure trove of

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gems that he's collected over the years.

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So this sounds like the ultimate Airbnb.

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Yes, I mean he could just open it up.

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Of course, he's very like he won't let anyone clean

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it except himself because they'll touch things. So I think

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he would not be able to handle having it as

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like a museum with people walking through. But there's pictures

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online from interviews that he's done and things like that,

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and it's just amazing the things that he has in there.

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So I love that about him. The other thing that

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I wrote down was he's very His movies are just

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so personal and are so meaningful to him. And for

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hell Boy and Pan's Labyrinth, he actually traded his salary

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to get better effects for the movies.

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You've got to be kidding me.

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Yeah, he hell Boy, like he loves that comic.

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He identifies with that character.

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He fought for years to have Ron Perlman play hell

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Boy because that he decided that was the only person

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that could play him and he had to have like

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this certain look, and so he was like, fine, just

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take my salary back, put it into the movie. And

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the same thing for for Pan's Labyrinth. And I just

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think that that's somebody that's so passionate about their work

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that they're like, Okay, i'll pay for it, but it

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has to be perfect.

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That's, you know, that is a That's a prime example

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of someone that that it's like a labor of love.

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They're they're doing it. They're not doing it for the money,

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They're doing it because they want to put it out

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in the world. I'd dig that about him. That's that's fantastic.

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What else she got anything else?

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Yeah? One more fact is.

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That he's the first filmmaker to win Best Director and

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Best Picture Oscars and then turn around and win an

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Oscar for Best Animated Feature for different films in different years.

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I can't think of Wait, so he wins Best Picture.

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He won Best Director and Best Picture for the Shape

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of Water in seventeen, and then in twenty twenty two

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he won Best Animated Feature for Pinocchio.

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I can't think of anyone that's done that. Nope, he

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was an animated Yeah. Okay, awesome, Yeah, very awesome. I know,

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I know this guy. He doesn't shy away from the camera.

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How about how about a good quote? Did you find

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Did you happen to find a fun quote? Yes?

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I tried short, but if you if you look online,

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there's actually books that go with his movies.

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I have the Crimson.

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Peak book, but I'm looking to get like Devil's Backbone

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and Pen's Labyrinth and Shape of Water.

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But they're written by others.

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But he does the forward and it's all about the

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production of the film and everything.

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So this is from the Devil's Backbone forward.

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He said, that this is, of course, after the first

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movie he made, after Mimic, and if you want.

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To hear what a shit show that was.

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Like I said, head over to docu Base seventy seven

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and we break it all down for you. But he

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was almost like, Okay, maybe I'm not supposed to be Wow,

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So he said about this movie making The Devil's Backbone,

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I finally felt in command of my visual style, my

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narrative rhythm, and was able to work in a profound

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manner with my cast and crew to craft a beautiful

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genre masher, a gothic tale set against the backdrop of

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the greatest ghost engine of all war.

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The ghost is not the scariest thing in the tail.

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It is human cruelty.

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Very Well said, I like that everything he says is.

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Like this, like he just opens his mouth and this

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beautiful poetic stuff about Now.

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I remember the first time you recommended The Devil's Backbone

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as an episode for us. My first thought was fantastic,

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it's not Crimson Peak, and then my second thought was

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I never heard of it, So, you know, assuming that

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maybe there's a couple other people that are not as

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obsessive and loving of del Tour as you, are can

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you give us a brief synopsis about the Devil's Backbone.

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So, after Carlos, a twelve year old whose father has

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died in the Spanish Civil War, arrives at an ominous

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boy's orphanage, he discovers the school is haunted and has

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many dark secrets which he must uncover.

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Right to the point.

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Uh, this is also.

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The brother movie to Pans Labyrinth. This is you the

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male and Pan Labyrinth is a female.

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Quit looking at my notes I had, I had a

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nice soul. I'm looking down.

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I was like, we it, I got this.

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Yeah, a little little inside of the film's background. Ambers like, yeah,

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I was. I was a production assistant. What do you

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want to know? I was all I was all excited.

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Where the what the hell was I thinking that I

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was gonna wow you with some kind of fact. You know, Hey, Amber,

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did you know that this is considered a Yeah, you say, yeah,

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this is this is the You know, if Devil's Backbone

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is the brother to Pan's Labyrinth, Pans Labyrinth is the

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sister the Devil's Backbone. Now, I thought that was a

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pretty cool fact to share later on, but yeah, nothing

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to get by you. I yeah, let's just yeah, I

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think this one's gonna be a little bit different anyways.

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Uhlsponazzo del Diablo, The Devil's Backbone Amber uh highly rated

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film across sites like Internet Movie Database, Metacritic, Rotten Tomatoes, Letterboxed.

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Highly reviewed film with critics. Roger Ebert gave it three

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out of four stars. Aren't No, And you know, I

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like that this fun thing, like sometimes if you just

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Google a movie title, then there's like the sub Google questions,

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like like the most asked questions. And I don't know

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if you've ever picked up on this. People like the

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people also ask segment Yes, it's always is insert film

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title a good movie? And I had to look. I

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was like, what are people thinking? And I hit the

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little drop down box. Is the Devil's Backbone a good movie?

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And then it says here the Devil's Backbone is a

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mesmerizing and inventive addition to the ghost story tradition. The

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film moves slowly, but that is a definite advantage to it.

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The slow pace allows us to get to know and

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even care for the characters before the horror starts, and

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this makes the horror all the more potent when it

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does start. Now I read that. I see what Ebert's

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talking about. I hear you talking about it. I go

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watch the movie and shocking plot twist. Amber, What am

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I missing? Because literally this film did put me to sleep.

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And the only thing, the only thing remotely scary is

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it's run time of one hundred eight minutes. What you're

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the voice of reason, you know, help me out, teach me, Amber?

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What what what's going on?

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Like?

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Why why did I get it?

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I don't help me.

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I don't know where you put off By the fact

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that it's Spanish language that puts a lot of people off.

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I think that's why it's well not as well known.

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Okay, so nine times out of ten you give me

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a move. You know, a foreign film, you know, I've

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got subtitles. I'm reading it. It will not bother me. However,

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with it being a horror film, you know, you're you

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should be focused on what's in the room, what's what's

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about to jump out? Right? And when you're busy, when

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my eyes are busy at the bottom of the screen

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trying to read everything, and it's a little fast, like

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some of the dialogs fast paced, So I'm trying to

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read and keep up and I'm not, and I'm missing.

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I feel maybe i'm missing, like I was, like literally

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missing some of the footage because I'm too busy reading.

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Because you know that I had the option you either

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you either watch it with subtitles or you can have

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you know, it can be dubbed, and I just can't

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do that. I can't do the dubbed version of stuff.

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I don't know about you. No, I think it takes away.

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In a language, then you need to hear it in

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that language, even if you don't understand well.

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And that's that's just it. Like I feel like if

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I'm hearing someone else's voice, it's taking away from the

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performance of the actor that I'm watching. Yes, so I

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have to have the subtitles. I have to, you know,

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So I don't know. I'm not going to say that

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that's the main reason. That's the thing that took me.

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But I do agree with you.

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I've seen this movie so many times, Like it's scared

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the pants off me the first time I saw it,

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but it's not really scary anymore. But I don't have

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to read the subtitles like word for word because I

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pretty much know what's going on, So I'm able to

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just sort of relax and enjoy the visuals. Yeah, and

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check in with the dialogue, you know, kind of every

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now and then.

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So you know, maybe that's why I have a different experience.

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Yeah, and you know watching it because there are scenes

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that are like legit scary.

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Okay, we're gonna get to them, you know.

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Well, I mean unless you don't think ghosts are scary,

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maybe that's maybe ghosts don't scare you.

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Well, you know, I ghosts are scary, like Poulter guys

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still is scary. You know, the Conjuring movies. I think

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those are scary as hell. Sinister if you ever saw

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Sinister with Ethan Hawk, that that is scary as shit.

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Like it's ghosts are scary. And here's the thing, I

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think ghosts are more scary than any like six foot

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tall maniac with a hatchet or a chainsaw, because at

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least with those guys, I might I'm probably gonna lose.

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But those guys, i's gonna say.

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You're a boy though, it's those are scarier for girls.

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Yeah, well I can. I can fight Jason Vorhees, right,

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I can. I can. I can throw a chair at

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Michael Myers. You know some thing that you know, when

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ship's flying around the room or the walls are bleeding.

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I can't. I can't punch. I can't punch that. You know,

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that's scary ass none you know from the Conjuring universe.

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I can't punch her in the face. I'm scared of her.

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I won't watch that movie by myself, Ambro, don't. I'll

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admit it. That's fine. Yeah, so ghosts are scary, it's not.

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I don't know. I just I'm hoping that you'll, you know,

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maybe this episode will be more of a low key exorcism.

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You'll you'll, you'll heal me, you'll find the way to

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bring it, bring me to light, and not then be like, oh,

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I didn't, I didn't look at it the movie like that.

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We'll find out. But before we before we talk cast

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and crew, let's let's take a quick break, and then

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we'll get back to the Devil's Backbone. All right, uh, Amber,

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we are back. We're talking about your guy, Gilmel del

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Toro and his uh, his guy the ghost story. That's

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not Crimson Peak, It's it's the Devil's backboon. I'm gonna

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ask you because I know my answer is already blank. Slate.

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There's some great acting in this film, yes, but I

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have I don't recognize a single person. So I wanna,

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I wanna. You know, I'm gonna kind of put you

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in the driver's seat here and and and let's talk

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about some of these these characters. So let's talk about

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some of these actors. Who are we talking about?

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Well, the one that I did have, I had kind

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of a leg up on the story the first time

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I saw it because EDWARDO Noriega, who plays Jacinto, was

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in I'll Break Those Open your Eyes, which is the

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Spanish version.

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Of Vanilla Sky.

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I love Vanilla Sky.

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Okay, well Vanilla Skuy sucks. I Break Those is really good.

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And this guy played such a jackass in that movie,

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Like I hated him in that movie.

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But you're supposed to, you know, so you shun up.

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And I was like, eh, this guy which you're not

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supposed to when you first see him.

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You're supposed to be like, well hello.

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Yeah, taker yeah.

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So the big reveal for me was like, well, all right,

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saw that one coming because.

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He's a joke, total total misdirection because uh, Jacinto, I'm like, hey,

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what's up? Spanish Eli Roth, Like this is like, is

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this the hero? Is this? This is the hard working guy.

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He's got the beautiful, the beautiful bride. Okay, now the

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guy's a dick.

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Yeah he's the worst.

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He is the worst worst. Yeah. Uh, how about can't

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tell you who? I like? He like my go to

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one one person. I really enjoyed. Uh, Federico Loopi he plays?

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Does he not give off like Christopher Lee vibes?

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He does? I think that I was digging him.

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Yeah.

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So allegedly his his character was heavily based off of

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one of del Toro's uncles, who Del Toro claims came

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back as a ghost. And if you you know, if

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you buy into that, then you're like, yeah, this guy

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doctor Cassaris. Uh, I don't know. I did. I did

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like his character a lot. I like the whole book

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and the the you know, the book endings, you know,

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with like the what what's a ghost like him? Kind

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of giving us that narration in the beginning. And that's

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and truthfully at the beginning when we're getting this weird

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like what am I looking at? Am I underwater? Am

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I not underwater? Is? What is? I think that? I

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know what that is? That looks like a corpse, but

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I'm not sure. And you've got this, you know, like

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this world's most interesting man kind of narration about what

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is a ghost and kind of like it's almost like

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a philosophy course. And I'm in at that point, like

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and and I'm in because of doctor Cassaris and his character.

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So really enjoyed him, really did.

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Yeah, yeah, for sure. I also just love the kids.

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I'm surprised, Uh the kid. Well, our main, our main,

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our lead, Carlos, Yes, Fernando, Uh, maybe I do French.

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That's right, that's all. That's right. You're you're you're the

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expert on French pronunciation.

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We'll disapologize in advance for saying their name is wrong.

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I expected him. This movie comes out in two thousand

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and one, and obviously he's an adult. Now. I just

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would have figured he would have been like one of

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those breakout stars that you know, we saw him in

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some some some foreign films and then he, you know,

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like Quentin Tarantino or someone like that, cast him in

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a in a movie and then all of a sudden,

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he's like he's Hollywood's new it guy. You know. Yeah,

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he's fantastic, he really is.

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Yeah, he's amazing. He I just I love him so much.

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I love his character. Germa de Tourre has a way

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of getting performances out of children that are just spectacular.

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It's one of those situations where these kids their orphans.

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We're in an orphanage, right, this is during the it

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was like the nineteen thirties, late thirties, the Spanish Spanish Civil.

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War, right before World War two.

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Yeah, and these kids, at no point do they actually

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have conversations that children would have, with exception to Carlos

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kind of sharing, like he's new to the orphans orphanage,

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and he's sharing like I got some comic books, I

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got some toys, you know, and the other the other

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boys are like, oh cool, let's let's check this out.

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But other than that, their conversations are very adult, and

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normally that would that would bother me to some degree.

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But then again, these kids, their whole life is like war, hunger, misery.

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I mean the what the.

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Night when they sneak out of bed and they're going

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through all of Carlos's comic books and toys and stuff,

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like they're talking about like this's worst.

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Never gonna end. Yeah, it's you know, like conversations like

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that that we don't have.

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Yeah, this is this isn't Bart and Nelson in the treehouse.

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You know, they're they're having like adult conversations, and typically

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that would that would dissuade me a little bit, you know,

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because I'm not talking like that when I'm eleven years old.

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But then again, I wasn't in an orphanage.

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Yeah, d bikes and like.

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Building forts and planet. Yeah, absolutely, it's just the place

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is miserable, like and I don't mean that in a

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derogatory way. It's supposed to be miserable, but even like

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would you call her like the head mistress or talking

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about the.

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Car Carmen and and doctor Kassaris kind of run this

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place together. Yeah, but she's got like a tenderness towards

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the boys too that if you think she's just gonna

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be when she's telling him like, this is your bar

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of soap passed the last few a year, don't lose,

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don't lose, you know, and you think she's gonna be mean,

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but then like you see your smile when they're playing,

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and you know she appreciates them and she's doing an

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awful lot of work to keep them alive. While their

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parents are off fighting this war.

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She's put upon. I won't disagree with that, and you're right,

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I guess she softens here and there like I do.

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Like when he first shows up and she's taken him

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to bed tim Er twelve, you know, she's like, and

464
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you know, here's your soap. But it does feel like

465
00:27:44.119 --> 00:27:47.440
you're watching a prison movie. At least that's what I'm thinking.

466
00:27:47.519 --> 00:27:50.759
And then the line, you know, the character says the line,

467
00:27:51.640 --> 00:27:54.880
this is not a prison. You know, you don't think

468
00:27:54.880 --> 00:27:57.640
of it like that. I thought, Okay, well, and she.

469
00:27:58.079 --> 00:28:02.400
You know, when he's left there, it's a traumatic experience.

470
00:28:02.440 --> 00:28:06.920
He doesn't know he's being dumped by Okay, this is

471
00:28:06.960 --> 00:28:10.319
a whole misdirection that he goes through. And she sends

472
00:28:10.400 --> 00:28:13.640
doctor Cassaris to like because she knows he's the one

473
00:28:13.640 --> 00:28:18.039
that can meet him on his level and distract him

474
00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:19.240
and make him feel better.

475
00:28:19.599 --> 00:28:24.359
Cassaris is gonna be like your Dumbledore or you're you're

476
00:28:24.400 --> 00:28:28.680
Ben Kenobi from seventy seven Star Wars, Like he's he's

477
00:28:28.720 --> 00:28:30.640
gonna take you in. You know, you come, he'll he'll

478
00:28:30.680 --> 00:28:34.160
comfort you, He'll take under his wing. Yeah, but and listen,

479
00:28:34.519 --> 00:28:36.079
we can go ahead and talk about this moment because

480
00:28:36.079 --> 00:28:39.559
this is definitely not a notable moment or pivotal scene

481
00:28:39.640 --> 00:28:42.480
or anything like that, but what a dick move like this?

482
00:28:42.680 --> 00:28:45.240
You know, this kid shows up with his tutor and

483
00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:47.319
the guy's like, yeah, wait outside, you know, play with

484
00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:51.119
the kids, and you know, we're inside there, and I'm thinking, well,

485
00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:52.640
this is a good guy. You know, he's been looking

486
00:28:52.680 --> 00:28:55.880
after this kid. His dad is dead. He hasn't told

487
00:28:55.920 --> 00:28:58.960
the kid that his dad is dead. So now we're

488
00:28:58.960 --> 00:29:01.039
gonna have a very heartfelt moment and be like, listen,

489
00:29:01.119 --> 00:29:04.279
you're here because you're you know, your father. Whatever. I

490
00:29:04.279 --> 00:29:06.960
thought we're I thought that's where we're going. And then

491
00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:09.680
this kid looks up and hey, wait, what's my suitcase

492
00:29:09.680 --> 00:29:14.279
doing out there? And he's literally running with his suitcase

493
00:29:14.279 --> 00:29:16.920
in hand after the car. Like this guy couldn't even

494
00:29:16.920 --> 00:29:19.920
stop to say, he couldn't even lie to and be like, hey,

495
00:29:20.119 --> 00:29:22.039
we'll be back in like a week, you know, just

496
00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:26.799
dick move. Amber. Yeah. I was like, come on, man,

497
00:29:27.319 --> 00:29:29.440
this kid's life isn't hard enough. You're just gonna you're

498
00:29:29.480 --> 00:29:30.559
just gonna ghost him like that.

499
00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:42.599
I mean, he is, God help us. You're off track now, yep,

500
00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:44.119
totally lost the thread.

501
00:29:47.000 --> 00:29:49.400
But yeah, I mean, I he's going back to the

502
00:29:49.400 --> 00:29:51.799
front line. He's probably going to be killed himself, so

503
00:29:52.759 --> 00:29:53.920
I'm a little empathetic.

504
00:29:54.000 --> 00:29:57.079
But yeah, I guess you could have.

505
00:29:57.039 --> 00:30:00.319
Been a little a little kinder to the child and

506
00:30:00.440 --> 00:30:03.680
taken care of But this is like the world that

507
00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:04.160
they're living.

508
00:30:04.200 --> 00:30:06.640
I mean, it's a harsh world. But I love the

509
00:30:06.680 --> 00:30:07.359
way it's shot.

510
00:30:07.519 --> 00:30:12.119
I love looking at this orphanage and it's an interesting building,

511
00:30:12.440 --> 00:30:16.440
and the colors are beautiful, and the way the walls

512
00:30:16.519 --> 00:30:19.640
kind of are weeping, like they look like they're crying,

513
00:30:19.880 --> 00:30:23.880
and there's a lot of interesting things there. And that

514
00:30:24.000 --> 00:30:27.960
metaphor of that bomb in the courtyard is amazing.

515
00:30:28.839 --> 00:30:29.480
Oh, I love that.

516
00:30:30.920 --> 00:30:33.319
And it's always in the background of scenes.

517
00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:37.160
It's almost like a cat. Yes, it's it's a little foreboding.

518
00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:39.000
I will say that. At first I thought this is

519
00:30:39.079 --> 00:30:42.480
kind of cool. What's the story? Okay, not much of

520
00:30:42.480 --> 00:30:45.519
a story. It's just there to set peace, but but

521
00:30:45.599 --> 00:30:48.400
a cool one. Right, do you want to talk a

522
00:30:49.720 --> 00:30:51.799
little bit about the I got a couple of things

523
00:30:51.960 --> 00:30:55.119
about the film's background. You already know. You already know

524
00:30:55.200 --> 00:31:00.240
them because you know because you Okay, well, let's let's

525
00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:03.839
let's let's test chronology. Did you know that Del Toro

526
00:31:04.559 --> 00:31:07.680
wrote this while he was in college? Of course you did.

527
00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:12.000
I'm not even don't even pretend. I'll tell you what.

528
00:31:12.039 --> 00:31:15.119
Let me just that lie, that's it. Just let me

529
00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:18.519
just do this for our listeners. Who who uh who

530
00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:22.119
don't know everything about FRO. Yeah, he did, so, he writes,

531
00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:25.920
he writes this in college. This is a very intensive

532
00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:28.000
laborer love for him. You you kind of mentioned that that

533
00:31:28.000 --> 00:31:30.599
that some of his projects are very personal to him.

534
00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:35.119
He was sixteen years in development on this. I do

535
00:31:35.240 --> 00:31:40.039
know that he cites the Spanish comic series Paracuellos by

536
00:31:40.640 --> 00:31:44.400
Carlos Jimenez as inspiration for the film. It was I

537
00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:47.440
guess the comic is set. It's a night. It's like

538
00:31:47.480 --> 00:31:50.799
an orphanage in the nineteen fifties, is a you're shaking

539
00:31:50.799 --> 00:31:51.880
your head like of course, I know.

540
00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:54.519
I know that he said that, I don't know anything

541
00:31:54.559 --> 00:31:55.359
about the I.

542
00:31:57.079 --> 00:31:59.039
Was waiting for you go, I've got I've got the

543
00:31:59.079 --> 00:32:04.400
first three volumes of Paraquellos. What are you talking about now? Yeah?

544
00:32:04.440 --> 00:32:08.359
But here's the cool thing. Though, he actually invited him

545
00:32:08.359 --> 00:32:12.279
and as to do storyboards for the film. So he's

546
00:32:12.319 --> 00:32:14.839
inspired by the comic and then it says, well, if

547
00:32:14.839 --> 00:32:16.519
I'm gonna have storyboards, why not just have the guy

548
00:32:16.519 --> 00:32:19.599
that you know did the did the comic as my

549
00:32:19.640 --> 00:32:21.799
storyboard are. So I thought that was kind of cool. Yes,

550
00:32:22.240 --> 00:32:26.519
very much. So I do know, like you mentioned Mimic

551
00:32:27.359 --> 00:32:32.599
and listeners again, go go check Amber's in depth analysis

552
00:32:33.039 --> 00:32:36.759
on Mimic. Check that episode out on docu Bayed seventy seven.

553
00:32:37.599 --> 00:32:41.359
But apparently he had a little bit of a rift

554
00:32:42.039 --> 00:32:46.960
the Weinstein's after Mimic and kind of went to a patch.

555
00:32:47.119 --> 00:32:51.599
Like if you look at the filmography, his timeline, it's

556
00:32:51.640 --> 00:32:55.279
a little spacey after after Mimic, you know, it's he's

557
00:32:55.279 --> 00:32:58.079
not cranking movies out left and right. And you know,

558
00:32:58.799 --> 00:33:00.480
he was under the impression that they were kind of

559
00:33:00.480 --> 00:33:04.160
bad mouthing him around town and he couldn't anything, couldn't

560
00:33:04.160 --> 00:33:11.680
get anything going. His good buddy Pedro Motivar, thank you

561
00:33:11.680 --> 00:33:15.160
for the pronunciation. He stepped in, was like, hey, listen, man,

562
00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:18.039
I think it was like the Miami Film Festival. They

563
00:33:18.039 --> 00:33:20.000
bumped into each other and he was like, look, I'll

564
00:33:20.000 --> 00:33:23.519
produce your next movie. Let's make something happen, and we

565
00:33:23.559 --> 00:33:24.440
get the Devil's Backbone.

566
00:33:25.279 --> 00:33:28.319
The story that I love is that when they were

567
00:33:28.680 --> 00:33:32.759
It's a Mode of Art and his brother run this

568
00:33:33.039 --> 00:33:37.480
production company and German Datura met with them and he was,

569
00:33:38.400 --> 00:33:40.359
you know, they're hashing out the deal or whatever, and

570
00:33:40.440 --> 00:33:45.119
he starts talking very passionately about how like I have

571
00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:48.799
to have final cut, like that is non negotiable, you know,

572
00:33:49.000 --> 00:33:52.119
and on Motivar is like, what are you talking about,

573
00:33:52.519 --> 00:33:55.079
and he's like, well, you know, final cut, like I

574
00:33:55.119 --> 00:33:58.119
get a say in what it is shown in theaters

575
00:33:58.279 --> 00:34:02.119
and in trailers and on video and blah blah blah,

576
00:34:02.200 --> 00:34:07.079
and a motiverse like you're the director, Like why why

577
00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:10.760
wouldn't you. I don't I don't understand, and like had

578
00:34:10.800 --> 00:34:14.880
no clue that you know until Camera's like, well, let

579
00:34:14.960 --> 00:34:20.079
me tell you about how working for Merrimax. But I

580
00:34:20.079 --> 00:34:22.440
had no clue that that was that was some kind

581
00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:25.960
of horror show that people were subjected to. And Garamudel's

582
00:34:25.960 --> 00:34:28.800
hora was like, oh my god, I can breathe, I

583
00:34:28.840 --> 00:34:30.079
can make that.

584
00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:30.920
I want to make.

585
00:34:31.639 --> 00:34:35.880
Well, let's talk. Let's talk about some noteworthy scenes, and

586
00:34:37.159 --> 00:34:39.199
I'm again, let's let's put you in the driver's seat.

587
00:34:39.199 --> 00:34:41.920
You you know this is your because again I'm I'm

588
00:34:41.960 --> 00:34:43.599
not saying this is a bad movie. And don't get

589
00:34:43.599 --> 00:34:46.960
me wrong, I'm not saying it's bad. I'm just I'm

590
00:34:46.960 --> 00:34:47.800
not not feeling.

591
00:34:47.840 --> 00:34:50.079
Are you disappointed because you weren't scared?

592
00:34:50.440 --> 00:34:54.360
Or ah? Maybe okay, so maybe maybe I'm not scared.

593
00:34:54.800 --> 00:34:59.320
Maybe maybe it's this It's not a story like if

594
00:34:59.360 --> 00:35:03.280
you watch The Changeling, you're watching a hunter House movie

595
00:35:03.480 --> 00:35:06.280
that scares you, and the ghost is scary, and it's

596
00:35:06.440 --> 00:35:09.039
all scary and it's all about the house and it's

597
00:35:09.039 --> 00:35:12.079
all about the ghost. And this movie really has so

598
00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:15.559
many more layers to it and really isn't about what

599
00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:16.280
you think it is.

600
00:35:16.679 --> 00:35:19.719
Okay, so let's be fair and put and put this

601
00:35:19.760 --> 00:35:22.880
out there for anyone. You know. I apologies if you

602
00:35:22.880 --> 00:35:27.440
feel that it's a spoiler. The ghost is not the villain.

603
00:35:28.039 --> 00:35:28.760
The ghost is.

604
00:35:28.719 --> 00:35:32.039
Not like this movie already kind of said that.

605
00:35:32.159 --> 00:35:35.119
So yeah, the movie, that's the movie. The movie has

606
00:35:35.119 --> 00:35:38.119
a monster and it is not this ten year old

607
00:35:38.920 --> 00:35:43.280
boy Santi. Yeah, so when he should when he pops

608
00:35:43.360 --> 00:35:46.559
up here and there, Yeah, I'm like, okay, not scary

609
00:35:46.599 --> 00:35:46.840
at all.

610
00:35:47.559 --> 00:35:50.119
Literally, See the first time I watched it, it was

611
00:35:50.159 --> 00:35:55.800
scary because I didn't know anything going in. So the

612
00:35:55.840 --> 00:36:00.519
thing about ghosts that that I think is scary is

613
00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:02.719
you don't know what they want. You don't know why

614
00:36:02.719 --> 00:36:07.039
they're there, and you can only imagine that they're like

615
00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:09.239
pissed and want to hurt you, because why else would

616
00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:11.320
you come back from the dead, Like it's got to

617
00:36:11.360 --> 00:36:17.559
be something. So when the ghost first shows up, you know,

618
00:36:17.679 --> 00:36:21.519
it's scary because he's appearing to Carlos and you don't

619
00:36:21.559 --> 00:36:25.280
know like what's going to happen, what he wants? You know,

620
00:36:25.719 --> 00:36:28.400
does he want to all these kids to join him?

621
00:36:28.440 --> 00:36:31.239
You know? And then his first communication with Carlos is

622
00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:32.400
many of you will die?

623
00:36:32.639 --> 00:36:34.400
Yeah, many of you. Many of you will die.

624
00:36:34.840 --> 00:36:37.800
Okay, what does that mean?

625
00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:38.360
Yeah?

626
00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:38.599
You know?

627
00:36:38.800 --> 00:36:43.079
Yeah, well yeah he's Sometimes a ghost is there in

628
00:36:43.480 --> 00:36:46.119
a scary movie or a thriller to warn you or

629
00:36:46.159 --> 00:36:50.760
to help you uncover like their horrible death or what

630
00:36:51.119 --> 00:36:51.519
wronged them.

631
00:36:51.559 --> 00:36:54.760
And this is definitely in Del Toro's movies.

632
00:36:55.440 --> 00:36:58.800
Yes, Del Toro's ghosts. They might scare you, but they're

633
00:36:58.840 --> 00:37:04.480
there to to help you. We know that, yes, But the.

634
00:37:04.800 --> 00:37:08.519
Scariest thing is, you know, as you start to unravel,

635
00:37:09.639 --> 00:37:13.039
you know who the true villain is, and you're wondering, like,

636
00:37:14.079 --> 00:37:15.119
you know, what's he gonna do?

637
00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:16.559
How far is this gonna go?

638
00:37:17.440 --> 00:37:21.559
Yeah, I just he's you know, he just isn't scared

639
00:37:21.639 --> 00:37:23.440
like the villain of the Piece.

640
00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:26.119
I mean, it was a twenty year old movie, so

641
00:37:26.159 --> 00:37:27.639
we could probably just go ahead.

642
00:37:27.800 --> 00:37:31.760
Yeah, the you know, the you know, the villain, the caretaker.

643
00:37:33.840 --> 00:37:38.239
Why why should I be scared of a late twenties

644
00:37:38.280 --> 00:37:41.199
good looking dude, you know, who has a hot wife.

645
00:37:41.360 --> 00:37:43.960
I can't be I can't be scared of that. He's

646
00:37:43.960 --> 00:37:45.239
out and he's what's gold.

647
00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:48.920
It's like, okay, well, I think at first it's more

648
00:37:51.119 --> 00:37:52.480
your focus is on the ghost.

649
00:37:53.360 --> 00:37:56.760
Yeah, and you start to peel back these layers of

650
00:37:57.920 --> 00:38:01.039
Jacento's character and you're seeing that, like, at first, you

651
00:38:01.079 --> 00:38:02.920
thought he was this good looking guy and he's gonna

652
00:38:02.960 --> 00:38:03.400
take his.

653
00:38:03.320 --> 00:38:06.519
Girlfriend and they're gonna run away and you know whatever.

654
00:38:06.679 --> 00:38:09.559
And then you start peeling back these layers and you're like,

655
00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:12.840
oh no, he's a liar who just wants to steal

656
00:38:12.880 --> 00:38:17.840
this gold, and you know, any's selfish and he's manipulating

657
00:38:17.880 --> 00:38:19.760
everybody in this orphanage.

658
00:38:22.039 --> 00:38:23.440
So he's a horrible person.

659
00:38:23.559 --> 00:38:27.519
But you know, I think as the layers keep healing

660
00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:29.960
and he gets more and more desperate for this gold,

661
00:38:30.039 --> 00:38:32.920
that's when you start to see like he will do anything.

662
00:38:33.679 --> 00:38:34.719
I mean, I was waiting for it.

663
00:38:34.760 --> 00:38:36.719
I was like, is he gonna burn the whole building

664
00:38:36.719 --> 00:38:38.880
down with the kids inside? Like he already said he

665
00:38:38.960 --> 00:38:40.599
wanted to burn the Orphanage down.

666
00:38:41.400 --> 00:38:45.719
I think as we unravel, as we peel this thing,

667
00:38:46.280 --> 00:38:48.639
I think, I think I'm starting to discover what it

668
00:38:48.719 --> 00:38:52.719
is that's got me put off. I know I'm gonna

669
00:38:52.719 --> 00:38:56.119
see a great film because it's written and directed by

670
00:38:56.519 --> 00:38:59.920
Del Toro, and I know it's gonna look gorgeous. And

671
00:39:00.039 --> 00:39:02.960
this film does this film, the cinematography is fantastic, this

672
00:39:03.199 --> 00:39:06.840
like you mentioned this, this Orphanage. You know, I'd love

673
00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:09.079
to know what the real story is because that clearly

674
00:39:09.159 --> 00:39:11.639
is not a sound stage. That is something that they

675
00:39:11.679 --> 00:39:16.440
found somewhere, right. But I think the movie struggles with

676
00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:22.119
its identity because we've got this huge subplot about the

677
00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:26.079
guy that you thought was good who's actually the chief villain,

678
00:39:26.639 --> 00:39:30.840
and then his you know, bumbling stooges that that are

679
00:39:30.880 --> 00:39:33.000
helping him, you know, the two or three guys that

680
00:39:33.280 --> 00:39:35.960
are there too, and the whole thing is they've been

681
00:39:36.719 --> 00:39:39.159
breaking this place, you know, piece by piece they've been

682
00:39:39.199 --> 00:39:42.679
They've been searching this orphanage for the gold. Right, either

683
00:39:42.719 --> 00:39:48.480
the Republican has the gold, Carmen the the head mistress,

684
00:39:48.679 --> 00:39:51.400
she's got it tucked away. We don't know where it's at.

685
00:39:52.039 --> 00:39:53.599
So it's kind of like this whole it's like a

686
00:39:53.639 --> 00:39:59.159
heist movie that's hiding behind a ghost story. And I

687
00:39:59.199 --> 00:40:01.679
feel like maybe the ghost story is taking too much

688
00:40:01.719 --> 00:40:05.800
of a back seat to you know, the bad guy

689
00:40:05.840 --> 00:40:07.800
is looking for the bars of gold. I think that

690
00:40:07.880 --> 00:40:09.599
maybe that's what my problem is with it. I don't know.

691
00:40:10.679 --> 00:40:14.360
I don't know, because I think that the murder of

692
00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:21.760
Santi is really what shows you how soulless just sentail is.

693
00:40:22.599 --> 00:40:25.719
Oh, and I agree with that, and that.

694
00:40:25.639 --> 00:40:28.880
He is capable of doing anything, and he just wants

695
00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:34.800
hits all avarice, And you're seeing the worst of all

696
00:40:34.880 --> 00:40:38.599
of the people around these children except for who you

697
00:40:38.639 --> 00:40:42.119
know is in the orphanage.

698
00:40:42.320 --> 00:40:43.639
Everybody else is awful.

699
00:40:43.760 --> 00:40:47.039
Like you see these fascists kill catch a bunch of

700
00:40:47.079 --> 00:40:48.840
Republicans and just murder them all.

701
00:40:49.599 --> 00:40:54.360
And there's you know, bombs being dropped on the orphanage. Yeah,

702
00:40:54.400 --> 00:40:55.880
you know, and they just got lucky and it didn't

703
00:40:55.880 --> 00:40:56.440
blow up.

704
00:40:58.440 --> 00:41:02.920
So everywhere they turn, you know, it's just danger and

705
00:41:03.800 --> 00:41:05.119
people that you can't trust.

706
00:41:05.559 --> 00:41:08.000
And I don't disagree with.

707
00:41:08.000 --> 00:41:11.320
You, just a different movie than you thought it was

708
00:41:11.360 --> 00:41:14.480
going to be, and you're like still reeling from this

709
00:41:14.519 --> 00:41:15.880
isn't what I thought I was going to watch.

710
00:41:16.599 --> 00:41:20.320
Yeah, oh okay, so I wasn't. I don't think. Yeah,

711
00:41:20.360 --> 00:41:23.440
you're right, I wasn't properly prepared because.

712
00:41:23.159 --> 00:41:26.119
You thought you were going to watch the Orphanage maybe

713
00:41:26.559 --> 00:41:30.519
you know, or or the Changel like the others.

714
00:41:30.639 --> 00:41:32.639
Yeah, the other Yeah, the others comes out. It's it.

715
00:41:33.320 --> 00:41:35.360
Think about that. The Others also came out in two

716
00:41:35.360 --> 00:41:37.800
thousand and one, and we're going to talk about that

717
00:41:37.960 --> 00:41:41.840
next season spoilert. I don't say anything else because we.

718
00:41:42.239 --> 00:41:43.840
I've already threatened your life that I have to be

719
00:41:43.920 --> 00:41:45.119
on that episode.

720
00:41:44.679 --> 00:41:50.159
So you'll be you'll be on the other's episode. But

721
00:41:50.239 --> 00:41:54.360
here's the thing. I think you're right, and and I'm

722
00:41:54.400 --> 00:41:57.920
gonna I'm gonna put the blame on Prime. I don't

723
00:41:57.920 --> 00:41:59.480
know if I can do that, but here's what. Here's

724
00:41:59.519 --> 00:42:03.920
here's my case, Samber. Okay, something that bugs me about

725
00:42:03.920 --> 00:42:05.440
Prime when you watch it, like, listen, I love that

726
00:42:05.480 --> 00:42:08.000
they've got a big catalog and they've you know, Prime

727
00:42:08.079 --> 00:42:09.639
is one of the one of the streamers I use

728
00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:10.039
all the time.

729
00:42:10.280 --> 00:42:10.920
Yeah.

730
00:42:12.719 --> 00:42:16.400
Thing that bugs the shit out of me is sometimes

731
00:42:17.039 --> 00:42:20.199
you will pull up a movie on Prime and you

732
00:42:20.239 --> 00:42:23.760
will click that little link to watch the trailer, and

733
00:42:23.840 --> 00:42:27.320
you will see the trailer to the movie. And sometimes,

734
00:42:28.119 --> 00:42:30.280
depending on what the film is, you will not see

735
00:42:30.280 --> 00:42:33.559
the trailer. You will see a scene from the movie.

736
00:42:34.360 --> 00:42:37.880
So I never did that, so I don't know anything

737
00:42:37.880 --> 00:42:38.239
about this.

738
00:42:39.000 --> 00:42:42.239
Yeah. So if you go to Prime right now, which

739
00:42:42.280 --> 00:42:46.159
is where I watched it, and you hit the trailer button,

740
00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:49.800
what you're gonna get is the scene where Carlos first

741
00:42:49.840 --> 00:42:56.760
shows up, and it's it's the doctor and Carmen. Uh

742
00:42:56.840 --> 00:42:59.920
it's that scene where they're up in the second floor

743
00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:01.800
and they're looking out and there and the guy and

744
00:43:01.840 --> 00:43:08.199
the doctor's like, hey, uh, IANA's back, and yeah, he

745
00:43:08.199 --> 00:43:10.440
brought another kid and comments like we don't want another kid,

746
00:43:10.480 --> 00:43:12.599
get scram you know, and we can't afford him, we

747
00:43:12.599 --> 00:43:15.719
can't feed him. And it's that two minute scene and

748
00:43:15.760 --> 00:43:20.199
it's boring as hell because you're like, wait, what are

749
00:43:20.199 --> 00:43:22.880
we doing what's going on, and that's in.

750
00:43:22.840 --> 00:43:26.480
The context of the movie. It's an establishing, you know,

751
00:43:27.519 --> 00:43:28.960
bit of exposition.

752
00:43:28.480 --> 00:43:30.719
That you need we do need in the movie for

753
00:43:30.920 --> 00:43:33.079
like a trailer throw no, when.

754
00:43:32.920 --> 00:43:34.639
You click on it, let's watch.

755
00:43:34.760 --> 00:43:38.119
Especially when the ad for it on Prime.

756
00:43:38.559 --> 00:43:43.760
Like the cover picture is like almost exactly the same

757
00:43:44.760 --> 00:43:48.599
one page as Insidious with like creepy kid with the

758
00:43:48.639 --> 00:43:51.880
cilling eyes, you know that kind of thing, So that

759
00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:54.320
if that's what she thought, you were turning on, Like.

760
00:43:54.960 --> 00:43:58.800
Yeah, there was you know, kind of a buyer beware.

761
00:43:58.880 --> 00:44:02.199
Like I was like, wait, I bought cool creepy ghost

762
00:44:02.239 --> 00:44:06.800
story in an orphanage, and I got, you know, historical

763
00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:12.639
wartime heist movie for gold and there's a ten year

764
00:44:12.639 --> 00:44:16.239
old and oh god pops up every Now you.

765
00:44:16.159 --> 00:44:18.079
Haven't watched Pans Labyrinth and we're gonna have to go

766
00:44:18.119 --> 00:44:18.920
through this all again.

767
00:44:19.360 --> 00:44:22.280
No, I've seen Pants Labyrinth. I think it's brilliant. Yeah,

768
00:44:22.760 --> 00:44:26.159
there's very few. Honestly, I haven't seen Kronos. I hadn't.

769
00:44:26.239 --> 00:44:30.079
I hadn't as weird as shit, but it's really good.

770
00:44:30.599 --> 00:44:31.599
It's kind of gross, though.

771
00:44:32.360 --> 00:44:35.920
Yeah, I will say the bulk of his filmography I've

772
00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:38.119
seen it, and I love it. Yeah, you know, I

773
00:44:38.119 --> 00:44:41.000
mean this is our second Del Toro episode obviously. Yeah,

774
00:44:41.079 --> 00:44:42.840
you know. If the guy's a hack, I'm like, we're

775
00:44:42.880 --> 00:44:45.400
not doing that. Sorry, pick somebody else.

776
00:44:46.480 --> 00:44:50.719
I think this one like revisited again, I know, when

777
00:44:50.719 --> 00:44:54.360
you're having a Delta marathon, and I think you'll appreciate

778
00:44:54.400 --> 00:44:55.239
it more over time.

779
00:44:56.079 --> 00:44:58.880
By no means is this his weakest film. Not even

780
00:44:58.920 --> 00:45:05.320
clo I will say that. I feel like, again, it's October,

781
00:45:05.880 --> 00:45:08.960
the leaves are scattering, it's a little chilly outside, pumpkins,

782
00:45:09.760 --> 00:45:13.280
It's time for scary movies. I could watch this again

783
00:45:14.239 --> 00:45:18.800
in say December or March, or you know, the next

784
00:45:18.800 --> 00:45:21.119
time I go. And I'll be honest, you know, I

785
00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:25.679
could give it another shot. You know, I'll let my

786
00:45:25.880 --> 00:45:28.360
memory fade a little bit on it and then go

787
00:45:28.440 --> 00:45:31.239
into it going, hey, you are not about to watch

788
00:45:31.239 --> 00:45:32.639
a scary movie.

789
00:45:32.519 --> 00:45:35.880
Yeah, it's like incidental. It could have been.

790
00:45:36.320 --> 00:45:38.440
It could have been that Santi wasn't dead and was

791
00:45:38.480 --> 00:45:39.800
just hiding out in the basement.

792
00:45:39.920 --> 00:45:42.400
Yeah, Santy could have been like like, hey, the kid

793
00:45:42.480 --> 00:45:45.639
ran away, But no, he hasn't, like Carlos's like, hey,

794
00:45:45.639 --> 00:45:49.000
you know, because he again, Carlos just like he's not

795
00:45:49.039 --> 00:45:51.199
afraid of He ain't afraid of the ghosts.

796
00:45:51.679 --> 00:45:54.840
I love that he's afraid.

797
00:45:54.960 --> 00:45:59.960
But he's in control of himself enough where he stands

798
00:46:00.199 --> 00:46:04.239
up to Hymi when he's trying to bully him, you know.

799
00:46:04.360 --> 00:46:07.440
And then he stands up to Santi and it has

800
00:46:07.559 --> 00:46:09.519
enough control to say like, what do you want?

801
00:46:10.559 --> 00:46:12.920
And yeah, well and he runs off.

802
00:46:14.360 --> 00:46:15.840
He's in the basement. He's like, hey, do you live

803
00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:18.639
down here? Like he's he's like Peter Vinkman. All of

804
00:46:18.679 --> 00:46:20.920
a sudden, he's like, you know, yeah, he's just making

805
00:46:20.960 --> 00:46:24.079
small talk. He's like being casual about it. So, yeah,

806
00:46:24.119 --> 00:46:27.320
I don't know. I I yeah, I just have the

807
00:46:27.360 --> 00:46:29.639
wrong frame of mind. I think I have the wrong

808
00:46:29.719 --> 00:46:30.800
idea going into it.

809
00:46:31.079 --> 00:46:33.400
Well, there's so much that's beautiful in it that are

810
00:46:33.519 --> 00:46:40.440
just little things, you know, that aren't really drawn attention to,

811
00:46:40.719 --> 00:46:44.039
but they're just there and they're beautiful. Like You've got

812
00:46:44.079 --> 00:46:48.719
this whole thing with Jacinto stealing this gold, and then

813
00:46:48.719 --> 00:46:55.719
you've got this beautiful scene between him and Conchita where

814
00:46:55.760 --> 00:47:00.360
he gives her the gold wrapper. Yeah, as a ring,

815
00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:03.039
and it's fake gold, but it's more precious to her.

816
00:47:03.880 --> 00:47:04.320
Yeah.

817
00:47:05.039 --> 00:47:09.159
I just I love those those things like it's beautiful.

818
00:47:10.079 --> 00:47:12.800
One more thing, since we're off the rails here, we're

819
00:47:12.800 --> 00:47:15.880
not talking about scenes really, well, it's fine, it's fine.

820
00:47:16.039 --> 00:47:19.320
It happens. I think. I think one more thing that

821
00:47:19.599 --> 00:47:24.519
I have trouble with is I don't connect. I need

822
00:47:24.559 --> 00:47:27.119
to connect to a character, like I want to be

823
00:47:27.159 --> 00:47:29.960
along for the ride. I was looking for my avatar, right,

824
00:47:30.079 --> 00:47:33.440
like who who am I in this movie? And I

825
00:47:33.519 --> 00:47:36.679
was struggling because at first I was like, Caretakers, is

826
00:47:36.679 --> 00:47:39.039
gonna be the hero? I want to I'm gonna follow

827
00:47:39.039 --> 00:47:40.599
his story. And then you find out, No, he's a

828
00:47:40.599 --> 00:47:43.880
piece of ship. He's awful, not gonna be that guy.

829
00:47:44.320 --> 00:47:47.199
Uh you know, Oh, here's the you know, the older

830
00:47:47.280 --> 00:47:50.320
kid him who is you know, he's kind of like

831
00:47:50.400 --> 00:47:53.679
he's the tenured kid. He's he's like the leader of

832
00:47:53.719 --> 00:47:55.559
the kids, right. And I was like, okay, well here's

833
00:47:56.079 --> 00:47:58.280
he's he's he's leading the goonies, right, He's leading the

834
00:47:58.280 --> 00:48:00.400
monster squad. He's a bully.

835
00:48:01.000 --> 00:48:03.519
He's got the best arc though, because he starts as

836
00:48:03.559 --> 00:48:07.559
a bully and then grows throughout the movie to be

837
00:48:07.639 --> 00:48:08.079
the hero.

838
00:48:08.719 --> 00:48:10.280
Yeah, he does, but I, I and.

839
00:48:10.400 --> 00:48:14.239
Carlos share that at the end. Did you love those boys?

840
00:48:14.239 --> 00:48:17.559
Didn't you identify with those boys? I thought they were

841
00:48:17.599 --> 00:48:19.199
so adorable, like when.

842
00:48:19.000 --> 00:48:23.519
They couldn't bonding over the comic books.

843
00:48:23.159 --> 00:48:26.280
And okay, comic books. Yeah, but the thing is, I can't.

844
00:48:26.960 --> 00:48:30.159
I wasn't identifying with HEIMI I wanted to, and then

845
00:48:30.199 --> 00:48:32.800
I couldn't because he's the bully and you.

846
00:48:32.760 --> 00:48:34.559
Know, yeah, but he's not always the bully, and when

847
00:48:34.559 --> 00:48:36.679
you found out what happened to him, you can understand why.

848
00:48:36.760 --> 00:48:40.960
I mean, bullies operate from a base of fear, and

849
00:48:41.079 --> 00:48:43.480
he's terrified that he's going to get murdered by this

850
00:48:43.920 --> 00:48:44.840
truth taker.

851
00:48:44.960 --> 00:48:47.480
You know, I'm too, I'm too deep into the movie.

852
00:48:48.039 --> 00:48:50.679
Once I realized that, I'm like, all right, he's maybe

853
00:48:50.719 --> 00:48:53.320
he doesn't suck as much, but I'm not with him.

854
00:48:53.320 --> 00:48:57.760
And I I struggle identifying with Carlos because I have

855
00:48:57.800 --> 00:49:00.360
never my life wanted to befriend the bully. I wanted

856
00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:02.400
to kick the bully's ass, like that's what you do

857
00:49:02.480 --> 00:49:03.320
to a boy? You beat him?

858
00:49:03.880 --> 00:49:05.119
Did I mean he did?

859
00:49:05.239 --> 00:49:05.679
He did?

860
00:49:05.880 --> 00:49:07.800
You were you were mad that he saved him from drowning.

861
00:49:07.880 --> 00:49:09.320
You were like, let him sink.

862
00:49:09.719 --> 00:49:13.079
Oh, I want to let him sink, like I'm running.

863
00:49:13.079 --> 00:49:17.039
I'm running the orphanage. Now, you know, things could have

864
00:49:17.039 --> 00:49:21.119
been cool, but you bullied me, and I like said,

865
00:49:21.119 --> 00:49:23.079
I'm fine with the bullying. Where it was like, hey,

866
00:49:23.119 --> 00:49:25.840
I dare you to go sneak in and get the water?

867
00:49:26.119 --> 00:49:27.280
You know, wasn't that great though?

868
00:49:27.320 --> 00:49:29.480
And Carlos steps to him and he's like, well, why

869
00:49:29.480 --> 00:49:31.960
don't we both go unless you're scared?

870
00:49:32.159 --> 00:49:35.360
Exactly. Okay, So I don't think it's a pivotal moment,

871
00:49:35.400 --> 00:49:36.639
but I will say.

872
00:49:37.239 --> 00:49:38.199
It is a really good one.

873
00:49:38.320 --> 00:49:41.119
Now, okay, so two scenes. All right, we're you know what,

874
00:49:41.159 --> 00:49:43.880
we're gonna throw out noteworthy scenes and pivotal moments. I'm

875
00:49:43.920 --> 00:49:47.599
just gonna tell you. Yeah, there's two scenes where I

876
00:49:47.599 --> 00:49:50.719
was like, I enjoyed it, and it was it was

877
00:49:50.760 --> 00:49:53.480
Carlos standing up to the bully because you know, Jimi's like,

878
00:49:54.239 --> 00:49:57.079
you know, you broke the water, you're gonna go get

879
00:49:57.360 --> 00:50:00.239
you know you're sneaking out, you're doing it. And then

880
00:50:00.280 --> 00:50:02.199
I liked how he challenged him, was like, well, yeah,

881
00:50:02.239 --> 00:50:04.519
I will. I don't have a problem going. You can

882
00:50:04.559 --> 00:50:07.280
come with me unless you're scared. So I did like

883
00:50:07.400 --> 00:50:10.119
that moment for the two boys. I thought, Okay, This

884
00:50:10.199 --> 00:50:12.400
is him not backing down from a bully. And I did,

885
00:50:12.440 --> 00:50:17.639
like that, Can we talk about the what do they

886
00:50:17.639 --> 00:50:23.599
call it? The water? This is the rum? No? No,

887
00:50:24.360 --> 00:50:26.280
in the what was it called?

888
00:50:27.199 --> 00:50:30.639
I don't remember that part's kind of squeamish for me.

889
00:50:31.559 --> 00:50:34.320
Okay, So I break it down.

890
00:50:34.400 --> 00:50:40.000
So the doctor Casteris has these like canopic jars of

891
00:50:40.519 --> 00:50:47.079
fetuses that have died from spinabefida, yes, and in there

892
00:50:47.199 --> 00:50:51.400
they are preserved in this liquid that's got a rum based.

893
00:50:51.199 --> 00:50:57.880
To it, yeah, spices rum some others.

894
00:50:57.920 --> 00:51:00.920
And so he takes this into town and he bottles it.

895
00:51:00.960 --> 00:51:03.519
He takes it into town and sells it as an

896
00:51:03.559 --> 00:51:08.960
impotit secure. So these idiot villagers, and that's how they

897
00:51:09.000 --> 00:51:10.960
get money to feed the kids of the orphanage.

898
00:51:11.639 --> 00:51:14.599
Now here's the thing, you know, because he turns the

899
00:51:14.679 --> 00:51:16.880
jar around, you see the you see the spine, and

900
00:51:16.880 --> 00:51:18.920
that's where we get the devil's idiot, because this is

901
00:51:18.960 --> 00:51:22.159
it's called the devil's backbone. Yes, And I thought, okay,

902
00:51:22.199 --> 00:51:25.480
here's the scene where he's he's kind of scaring. He's

903
00:51:25.480 --> 00:51:27.599
being like that, he's doing the fun thing where like

904
00:51:27.639 --> 00:51:29.960
you're the you're the uncle that is gonna tell us

905
00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:33.079
a scary story to your nephew or niece. And I'm

906
00:51:33.079 --> 00:51:36.119
really enjoying it. And he's because like this is the story.

907
00:51:36.119 --> 00:51:38.079
I'm like, you know, he pulls the ladle out and

908
00:51:38.119 --> 00:51:40.679
dips a little in and puts a little shot glass,

909
00:51:40.679 --> 00:51:43.840
and I'm like okay, because the kid, you know, Carlos,

910
00:51:43.880 --> 00:51:46.599
is like, hey, I've seen ghosts and here's the thing,

911
00:51:46.639 --> 00:51:48.320
and and like it's like a lesson where he's like, well,

912
00:51:48.320 --> 00:51:50.679
if you believe in ghosts and you'll believe in then

913
00:51:50.719 --> 00:51:54.880
you believe. Yeah, you'll believe, you'll believe in supernatural things

914
00:51:54.880 --> 00:51:57.320
and it cures illnesses. So here, if you believe in ghosts,

915
00:51:57.360 --> 00:52:00.079
have a drink. And the kid's like, oh.

916
00:52:00.960 --> 00:52:02.800
When he ran out, that was so great.

917
00:52:02.960 --> 00:52:04.639
He runs right out, and I was like, okay, that

918
00:52:04.760 --> 00:52:09.159
was a little morbid, you know, because it's basically you know,

919
00:52:09.480 --> 00:52:11.519
poor Man's from auto Hyde. But I was like, oh,

920
00:52:11.920 --> 00:52:14.079
that was fun. But then he takes the shot. He

921
00:52:14.159 --> 00:52:19.000
drinks this stuff that has a you know, a corpse,

922
00:52:19.039 --> 00:52:23.000
a fetus corpse in it. I'm like, oh, that's it's horrible.

923
00:52:26.400 --> 00:52:26.800
If I did.

924
00:52:27.920 --> 00:52:29.760
If you had a woman that you really really wanted

925
00:52:29.800 --> 00:52:31.159
to sleep with, then you couldn't.

926
00:52:31.199 --> 00:52:32.360
Maybe you would try anything.

927
00:52:32.679 --> 00:52:40.199
I'm not drinking. Uh, I'm drinking baby, I'm not drinking baby, baby, fetus, baby,

928
00:52:40.639 --> 00:52:44.480
baby room. Yeah, corpse, corpse baby, rom.

929
00:52:44.239 --> 00:52:45.719
Not doing it, think about what might have been.

930
00:52:47.039 --> 00:52:53.159
Nope, not drinking that. No thanks, and let's uh, let's

931
00:52:53.159 --> 00:52:58.480
wrap this up. And I am excited to hear your

932
00:52:58.519 --> 00:53:01.440
answer here, because this is this is where we like

933
00:53:01.480 --> 00:53:05.519
to say, hey, you got somebody. They just watched The

934
00:53:05.559 --> 00:53:08.360
Devil's Back going for the first time. Their name was

935
00:53:08.400 --> 00:53:12.280
not Jeff Johnson, so they're saying, hey, this movie.

936
00:53:12.119 --> 00:53:13.360
Was to us.

937
00:53:13.400 --> 00:53:16.960
Talk about it now they have a more realistic expectations.

938
00:53:17.960 --> 00:53:21.760
Yeah, but they see this movie and they they they

939
00:53:21.760 --> 00:53:27.920
want more. Yiel Mel del Toro, what three films are you?

940
00:53:28.599 --> 00:53:31.679
Amber Lewis, the voice of reason, going to suggest they

941
00:53:31.719 --> 00:53:34.280
watch Okay, what's your first what's your first choice?

942
00:53:34.519 --> 00:53:36.880
I have two lists if you want them. I have

943
00:53:36.960 --> 00:53:37.800
Liam's list.

944
00:53:38.800 --> 00:53:43.159
I have my list because Giambo does like comic book

945
00:53:43.199 --> 00:53:45.000
stuff and then he does his own stuff.

946
00:53:45.119 --> 00:53:46.400
So I came home.

947
00:53:46.280 --> 00:53:53.559
There list listen, uh Cheaty Cheeterson from Cheaterville. You know,

948
00:53:55.079 --> 00:53:58.880
I know I want the option that Hi, I'm Amber Lewis,

949
00:53:58.880 --> 00:54:05.079
and these are three three movies that you should check out.

950
00:54:05.079 --> 00:54:10.119
What you know I have. I have a thesis paper

951
00:54:10.159 --> 00:54:13.039
I wrote on the filmography of him. I've got at

952
00:54:13.039 --> 00:54:16.599
a time list. I you did, But I want your

953
00:54:17.159 --> 00:54:20.719
choices now. No one else's You're not gonna Scott Hoffman

954
00:54:20.800 --> 00:54:24.440
this answer with my answer. I have one answer broken

955
00:54:24.480 --> 00:54:26.599
down into twenty six parts. No, we're not doing that.

956
00:54:26.880 --> 00:54:27.639
Give me give me your.

957
00:54:27.599 --> 00:54:28.719
First power point.

958
00:54:28.880 --> 00:54:34.679
Already save it, he says, give me your first choice.

959
00:54:35.360 --> 00:54:39.159
My first choice is my absolute all time cannot be topped.

960
00:54:39.559 --> 00:54:43.079
Favorite of his movies, The sister movie to this Movivie

961
00:54:43.159 --> 00:54:44.000
Pans Labyrinth.

962
00:54:44.679 --> 00:54:48.519
What a weird and beautiful film.

963
00:54:49.159 --> 00:54:51.119
Oh my god, the Fawn.

964
00:54:52.119 --> 00:54:54.199
I love him so much. I love the Little Girl

965
00:54:54.280 --> 00:54:57.239
so much. I love all of it. That movie, to

966
00:54:57.280 --> 00:54:58.639
me is one of the perfect movies.

967
00:54:59.039 --> 00:55:00.880
Doug Jones, Let's let's be honest.

968
00:55:00.920 --> 00:55:05.480
Doug Jones is in practically every of Del Toro movies. Yes,

969
00:55:06.159 --> 00:55:09.039
did you do you know the the film by Doug

970
00:55:09.119 --> 00:55:11.199
Jones story?

971
00:55:11.239 --> 00:55:16.159
Can I share it real quick? Yes? Okay? So, our

972
00:55:16.199 --> 00:55:21.079
wonderful friend Wayne Whited you know who, gives us the

973
00:55:21.079 --> 00:55:23.519
breakdown on the on the score of the film scores

974
00:55:23.559 --> 00:55:25.920
he's you know, one of the hosts of Phaser sets

975
00:55:25.920 --> 00:55:31.280
the stun fantastic guy. Awesome, awesome Wayne, And I'm not

976
00:55:31.519 --> 00:55:33.760
you know this is Wayne Wayne. Wayne will admit to this.

977
00:55:33.800 --> 00:55:37.199
He is not the uh, he's not the guy that's

978
00:55:37.239 --> 00:55:39.400
gonna be like, hey, give me a hug. You know,

979
00:55:39.440 --> 00:55:43.599
he's not that guy, right, you know, Wayne Old, if

980
00:55:43.599 --> 00:55:45.360
he sees you, if you're if you're a celebrity, Wayne's

981
00:55:45.360 --> 00:55:47.320
gonna come up and be like, hey, I thought you

982
00:55:47.320 --> 00:55:49.679
were a great in this movie and that movie, and

983
00:55:49.840 --> 00:55:52.559
you know the this episode Star Trek, this episode of

984
00:55:52.559 --> 00:55:57.000
Star Trek, and you know he's just gonna be cordial, right, yes, Uh,

985
00:55:57.559 --> 00:55:59.920
Doug Jones. I want to say it was MotorCity Comic

986
00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:03.199
a couple of years ago. Apparently Doug Jones is in

987
00:56:04.239 --> 00:56:07.880
one or more Star Trek, you know show episodes that

988
00:56:07.880 --> 00:56:11.400
he did. Right, Wayne's got this incredible Star Trek poster.

989
00:56:11.519 --> 00:56:14.760
He's getting a sign and and apologies Wayne. You know,

990
00:56:14.840 --> 00:56:17.360
I know you're listening. Maybe it was Doctor Who was

991
00:56:17.360 --> 00:56:19.920
either Doctor Who or Star Trek, but Doug Jones is

992
00:56:19.920 --> 00:56:25.639
in one or both of them. And Doug Jones who

993
00:56:25.719 --> 00:56:30.440
is very friendly, very outgoing and very animated could not

994
00:56:30.760 --> 00:56:34.679
wait to wrap his arms around up Wayne and give

995
00:56:34.760 --> 00:56:39.480
him this big hug. And Wayne's just like, what's this happening? Now?

996
00:56:40.079 --> 00:56:45.119
I'm gonna tell you something. Doug Jones knew Wayne for

997
00:56:45.239 --> 00:56:48.679
a total of forty seven seconds and gave him this

998
00:56:48.760 --> 00:56:53.800
big embrace. I've known Wayne for like thirty years. I've

999
00:56:53.800 --> 00:56:56.480
never hugged him. Okay, So I know.

1000
00:56:56.599 --> 00:56:58.960
I thought I was an introvert until I met Wayne,

1001
00:56:58.960 --> 00:56:59.280
and then.

1002
00:56:59.199 --> 00:57:00.599
I was like, ahh.

1003
00:57:03.000 --> 00:57:08.239
He's not Wayne uh Man, wonderful. He's the conversation on

1004
00:57:08.320 --> 00:57:12.199
the road. Wayne. He's hilarious too. He is absolutely hilarious.

1005
00:57:12.920 --> 00:57:15.360
But I'm just he came back and you know, he

1006
00:57:15.440 --> 00:57:17.639
just had this dazed look at his face, and We're like,

1007
00:57:17.639 --> 00:57:21.000
what what happened with Doug Jones. He's like he he

1008
00:57:21.079 --> 00:57:28.079
hugged me. We're like what, Yeah? But yeah the fawn. Yeah, Wayne,

1009
00:57:28.119 --> 00:57:32.320
Wayne got a big cuddly hug from the fawn. Okay,

1010
00:57:32.440 --> 00:57:33.559
can I give you my first pick?

1011
00:57:34.239 --> 00:57:34.519
Yes?

1012
00:57:35.199 --> 00:57:37.880
Two thousand and four. You already mentioned it, so I'm

1013
00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:38.679
jumping around with it.

1014
00:57:38.800 --> 00:57:42.159
Hell boy, Oh that's Liam's favorite.

1015
00:57:42.440 --> 00:57:44.159
There you go, Okay, I'll give you a chance. There.

1016
00:57:44.599 --> 00:57:51.320
Uh you talked about how he met Mike mcdola, you know,

1017
00:57:51.400 --> 00:57:54.719
the the guy that created hell Boy, right, And one

1018
00:57:54.719 --> 00:57:58.159
of my favorite stories is their step brother's moment where

1019
00:57:58.199 --> 00:58:01.079
they met for the first time to discuss their choice

1020
00:58:01.719 --> 00:58:04.400
for who the lead role should go to. And they

1021
00:58:04.400 --> 00:58:07.760
did one of those all right, let's just say one two, yeah,

1022
00:58:07.800 --> 00:58:10.159
one two, three, and they both said n at the

1023
00:58:10.280 --> 00:58:13.639
same time. And I'll be honest, like, I know they've

1024
00:58:13.639 --> 00:58:15.719
made I know a new hell Boy came out with

1025
00:58:15.760 --> 00:58:19.480
a different actor, no offense. I don't know if it's

1026
00:58:19.480 --> 00:58:21.800
any good because I haven't watched it, but it's because

1027
00:58:21.920 --> 00:58:24.840
Ron Perlman is hell Boy. He always will be hell Boy.

1028
00:58:24.920 --> 00:58:27.000
I think Liam watched it and he said it was fine,

1029
00:58:27.119 --> 00:58:32.280
but he agrees like the Ron Peerlman is that character

1030
00:58:32.400 --> 00:58:34.400
and those both of he loves them.

1031
00:58:34.400 --> 00:58:35.440
Both one and two.

1032
00:58:35.960 --> 00:58:38.519
Yeah, I did. All the Golden Armies great too, but yeah.

1033
00:58:38.920 --> 00:58:40.639
Enjoy the first. I haven't seen the second one, but

1034
00:58:40.679 --> 00:58:42.679
I did enjoy the first one. Liam like tied me down,

1035
00:58:42.719 --> 00:58:44.119
made me watch it, and I was like, oh, this

1036
00:58:44.199 --> 00:58:44.519
is good.

1037
00:58:45.079 --> 00:58:50.599
It's like supernatural Indiana Jones, Let's fight Nazis and and

1038
00:58:50.760 --> 00:58:53.960
you know, I don't know, I love it. I could

1039
00:58:53.960 --> 00:58:55.360
do it. We could do a whole episode on Hellboy,

1040
00:58:55.440 --> 00:58:58.239
but we won't. We're gonna move on to your second pick,

1041
00:58:59.039 --> 00:59:04.280
which is Crimson Peak. My second pick, Crimson Peak.

1042
00:59:05.039 --> 00:59:07.599
I've seen this movie so many times. I love that.

1043
00:59:07.760 --> 00:59:11.119
I mean, it was an easy end because it was Del.

1044
00:59:10.960 --> 00:59:12.840
Toro, so I was already and already, and then you

1045
00:59:12.920 --> 00:59:17.960
had Tom Hddleston and I'm like, wow, I'm yeah, I.

1046
00:59:18.320 --> 00:59:22.440
Will call this with you know, with all respect to

1047
00:59:22.639 --> 00:59:25.760
Devil's backbone, this is his best ghost story. Crimson Peak

1048
00:59:25.840 --> 00:59:28.159
is his best I think when it comes to ghost stories.

1049
00:59:28.719 --> 00:59:31.920
Yes, yeah, okay, I agree, I agree.

1050
00:59:32.639 --> 00:59:35.559
Go back listeners, go back. Check out our episode from

1051
00:59:35.599 --> 00:59:37.719
a few seasons ago, Brad cos and I you know,

1052
00:59:37.760 --> 00:59:40.840
that was our first Gielmo del Toro episode discussing Crimson Peak.

1053
00:59:42.760 --> 00:59:46.960
As you know, Amber, I would tell you please don't

1054
00:59:46.960 --> 00:59:50.920
listen to it because you're you're gonna be biased. You're

1055
00:59:50.920 --> 00:59:52.639
just gonna be like, no, I know, I know more

1056
00:59:52.679 --> 00:59:54.599
about Crimson Peak, and I hate this episode.

1057
00:59:54.760 --> 00:59:55.800
I could have done that. They didn't.

1058
00:59:56.239 --> 00:59:58.239
They didn't know me what they should have, because I

1059
00:59:58.239 --> 01:00:00.800
should have done this. One of these days when I

1060
01:00:00.800 --> 01:00:04.159
get bored, I start George lucasing some of our older episodes. Yes,

1061
01:00:04.320 --> 01:00:06.719
I'll I'll just interview you separately and then I'll weave

1062
01:00:06.760 --> 01:00:07.679
you into the episode.

1063
01:00:07.760 --> 01:00:08.360
There we go.

1064
01:00:09.119 --> 01:00:11.480
It was like I say it the whole time exactly. Now,

1065
01:00:11.480 --> 01:00:16.639
Crimson Peak is fantastic. Yeah, probably my favorite Tom Hillston

1066
01:00:16.880 --> 01:00:21.199
performance that isn't Loki. Ah, what'd you say? What do

1067
01:00:21.199 --> 01:00:21.519
you think?

1068
01:00:22.599 --> 01:00:24.239
I really like the night Manager? So?

1069
01:00:24.559 --> 01:00:27.079
Oh yeah, the night Managers. I talked about the Night

1070
01:00:27.119 --> 01:00:29.719
Manager on the Crimson Peak episode because Brad had never

1071
01:00:29.800 --> 01:00:32.320
seen it. Oh really, and I was like, dude, you've

1072
01:00:32.320 --> 01:00:36.079
got to watch the Night Man Yeah, Crimson Peak is fantastic.

1073
01:00:36.239 --> 01:00:37.320
Yeah, it's so good.

1074
01:00:37.760 --> 01:00:41.239
Okay, now we each got one more pick. And I

1075
01:00:41.760 --> 01:00:43.400
told you before we were off, Mike, I told you.

1076
01:00:43.440 --> 01:00:45.800
I was like, we're definitely going to connect on one,

1077
01:00:46.679 --> 01:00:48.239
but I can't wait to see what your other two are.

1078
01:00:48.360 --> 01:00:50.280
Now I didn't think. I didn't know if you had

1079
01:00:50.280 --> 01:00:53.639
Crimson Peak and your your bag of tricks. So what

1080
01:00:53.840 --> 01:00:56.199
is your third choice?

1081
01:00:56.920 --> 01:01:00.039
Uh? The Academy Award winning the Shape.

1082
01:00:59.760 --> 01:01:04.239
Of We Are Two for You Amber twenty seventeen, the

1083
01:01:04.239 --> 01:01:07.440
Shape of Water Best Picture winner at the I think

1084
01:01:07.440 --> 01:01:09.320
it was the ninetieth Academy Awards.

1085
01:01:10.079 --> 01:01:16.079
Yeah, yeah, best Director, Like it's so good and I

1086
01:01:16.119 --> 01:01:20.639
love that. He says that his favorite like of the

1087
01:01:20.679 --> 01:01:27.760
classic monsters is Frankenstein and the Creature from the Black Logan. Yeah,

1088
01:01:27.800 --> 01:01:29.920
and so we got the Creature from the Black Coucan

1089
01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:31.440
and now we got Frankenstein coming up.

1090
01:01:31.599 --> 01:01:34.639
Yeah. Yeah, the Shape of Water. Like I watched this,

1091
01:01:34.760 --> 01:01:37.320
I immediately couldnot wait to pop in Creature from the

1092
01:01:37.320 --> 01:01:40.400
Black Klagoon. Yes, it's a that's a great double feature.

1093
01:01:41.440 --> 01:01:44.599
Such a beautiful again, like like you like you talked

1094
01:01:44.599 --> 01:01:47.519
about with Pants Labyrinth. It's it's a beautiful film, but

1095
01:01:47.559 --> 01:01:49.480
it's so weird and so.

1096
01:01:50.599 --> 01:01:52.760
Like it's a love story, but it's a love story.

1097
01:01:52.880 --> 01:01:54.400
I'm watching you.

1098
01:01:54.400 --> 01:01:57.920
You should be mortified and grossed out by this love

1099
01:01:57.920 --> 01:02:01.880
story between this woman and this preacher, but you can't.

1100
01:02:01.920 --> 01:02:05.280
You know, like the Creature gives off like et vibes,

1101
01:02:05.280 --> 01:02:07.079
like you just want him to be okay, you wanted

1102
01:02:07.079 --> 01:02:13.480
to be sick, you know. Michael Shannon, who is an

1103
01:02:13.559 --> 01:02:17.760
absolutely amazing actor, right, yes, he's in the Shape of Water.

1104
01:02:18.679 --> 01:02:21.519
We're you know, we don't we don't. We don't like him,

1105
01:02:21.760 --> 01:02:26.559
you know, he's he's the he's the villain. Yeah, but

1106
01:02:27.320 --> 01:02:31.119
I hears something, He'll dig Michael Shannon, he should be

1107
01:02:31.159 --> 01:02:35.199
sitting in that audience at the Academy Awards. He was

1108
01:02:35.239 --> 01:02:40.639
actually at a bar in Chicago forgetting the name is

1109
01:02:40.679 --> 01:02:45.360
like an alehouse, and he's sitting there in the bar alone,

1110
01:02:45.840 --> 01:02:50.360
watching the Academy Awards on the TV. And the bartender,

1111
01:02:51.199 --> 01:02:53.440
who obviously is a sinophile, he's got the Academy Awards

1112
01:02:53.440 --> 01:02:55.400
on and not a ballgame or anything like that. He

1113
01:02:55.440 --> 01:02:58.400
recognizes Michael Shannon and he's freaking out. He's like, Michael

1114
01:02:58.440 --> 01:03:02.480
Shannon is sitting here watching the Academy Awards having a

1115
01:03:02.519 --> 01:03:06.360
drink by himself, and the guy waited until after the

1116
01:03:06.400 --> 01:03:10.079
show was over. The telecas you know, Michael Shannon watches

1117
01:03:11.079 --> 01:03:13.320
del Toro win Best Director, he watches the film get

1118
01:03:13.440 --> 01:03:17.239
Best Best Film, Best Picture, and then the guy said, hey, listen,

1119
01:03:17.840 --> 01:03:20.840
can it Can I take a photo? Post it to Twitter?

1120
01:03:21.320 --> 01:03:25.239
And Shan's like, yeah, it's cool, like that is that's awesome?

1121
01:03:25.360 --> 01:03:30.079
Like that's like yeah, I love stories like that. And

1122
01:03:30.199 --> 01:03:34.840
to your point, you you were talking about del Toro earlier,

1123
01:03:34.840 --> 01:03:36.159
at the top of the hour. You were talking about

1124
01:03:36.199 --> 01:03:39.079
him saying, Hey, I maybe I should have given up

1125
01:03:39.679 --> 01:03:42.039
you know when he had he had a miss here

1126
01:03:42.079 --> 01:03:45.400
and there. Uh, he did, in fact, with the Shape

1127
01:03:45.400 --> 01:03:48.960
of Water. He did an interview with National University of

1128
01:03:49.039 --> 01:03:52.639
Mexico Television and he stated that had The Shape of

1129
01:03:52.679 --> 01:03:56.760
Water been a box office bomb, he would have retired

1130
01:03:56.760 --> 01:04:00.960
from directing because it was a very deep personal story

1131
01:04:01.119 --> 01:04:03.360
for him and if it wouldn't have succeeded, he would

1132
01:04:03.360 --> 01:04:06.719
have been done. He would have quit. So nothing like

1133
01:04:06.760 --> 01:04:11.320
winning the Academy Award for Best Direction the Best Film to.

1134
01:04:10.599 --> 01:04:12.840
Renalidate your your life choices.

1135
01:04:13.760 --> 01:04:19.440
Yeah, yeah, you okay, so you said Frankenstein. Uh this Friday.

1136
01:04:19.119 --> 01:04:22.440
Amber, Jeff, Oh my god, you've.

1137
01:04:22.280 --> 01:04:24.840
You've seen the trailer. You've you've watched it probably a

1138
01:04:24.880 --> 01:04:25.480
dozen times.

1139
01:04:25.480 --> 01:04:27.960
If this no, I don't want to see anything I saw.

1140
01:04:28.199 --> 01:04:29.280
You haven't seen the trailer.

1141
01:04:29.519 --> 01:04:31.719
I saw one like little teaser.

1142
01:04:33.519 --> 01:04:36.079
Of like and it was just Oscar Isaac turning around

1143
01:04:36.119 --> 01:04:37.159
looking intensely.

1144
01:04:37.920 --> 01:04:39.480
Yeah.

1145
01:04:39.679 --> 01:04:44.039
Speaking of sexy, Mi, a goth is also in Frankenstein.

1146
01:04:44.760 --> 01:04:48.840
Yes, I saw. There's an ad for the movie.

1147
01:04:50.360 --> 01:04:54.119
Tiffany and Company yep posted to Instagram because she wears

1148
01:04:54.159 --> 01:04:57.840
this elaborate diamond necklace in the film.

1149
01:04:58.239 --> 01:05:02.840
I am so excited Franken's Stein is coming out to

1150
01:05:02.960 --> 01:05:08.360
select theaters this Friday before its debut on Netflix on

1151
01:05:08.519 --> 01:05:11.280
November the seventh, Amber, we got to watch that. We

1152
01:05:11.400 --> 01:05:13.400
might have we can we do a we might have

1153
01:05:13.400 --> 01:05:15.280
to do like a back to the box office on Frankenstein.

1154
01:05:16.000 --> 01:05:18.440
You know, do like a fun little maybe an extended one,

1155
01:05:18.559 --> 01:05:22.000
you know, if you're if we can sneak that in uh,

1156
01:05:22.039 --> 01:05:26.880
Oscar Isaac, Yeah, Oscar Isaac, Jacob a lordie. I love

1157
01:05:26.920 --> 01:05:30.760
when a tall, handsome actor decides that he's gonna be Frankenstein.

1158
01:05:32.360 --> 01:05:36.199
On Oscar Isaac like cannot stop talking about him. He's like,

1159
01:05:36.280 --> 01:05:39.599
when you guys see Jacob Elordi, you're gonna blow your mind.

1160
01:05:39.840 --> 01:05:44.039
Yeah, and let's not forget Christoph Waltz also showing that

1161
01:05:45.199 --> 01:05:50.199
this yeah Victorian era Frankenstein's story that the trailer looks incredible. Amber,

1162
01:05:50.400 --> 01:05:52.480
I can't believe you've got the willpower not to watch it.

1163
01:05:52.519 --> 01:05:57.280
But movies coming out this week, so uh, A little

1164
01:05:57.320 --> 01:06:01.480
fun fact about Frankenstein. Did you know that Jacob Elordi

1165
01:06:01.639 --> 01:06:08.159
was not the first choice. No, Andrew Garfield was in

1166
01:06:08.199 --> 01:06:12.119
fact cast in the role and had to drop out

1167
01:06:12.159 --> 01:06:16.559
at the last possible minute. He had some scheduling conflicts.

1168
01:06:17.440 --> 01:06:20.360
And here's the crazy thing. The FX team that's doing

1169
01:06:20.360 --> 01:06:25.360
the makeup, the Frankenstein makeup. They spent nine months creating

1170
01:06:25.400 --> 01:06:30.760
makeup for what the Andrew Garfield monster would look like,

1171
01:06:31.599 --> 01:06:36.159
and when he dropped out, they had several weeks to

1172
01:06:36.199 --> 01:06:39.760
start over from scratch and get it finished. For Jacob ELORDI,

1173
01:06:40.199 --> 01:06:45.360
Oh my gosh, talk about working around the clock pressure. Yeah,

1174
01:06:45.360 --> 01:06:47.800
because I don't know, you haven't seen anything, Okay, I

1175
01:06:47.800 --> 01:06:49.360
won't spoil it, no, but.

1176
01:06:49.440 --> 01:06:54.800
I you know, Gama Deltara started doing special effects makeup,

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01:06:54.920 --> 01:06:57.559
so the bar has to be set.

1178
01:06:57.400 --> 01:06:59.679
So high because he knows everything there is to know

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01:06:59.679 --> 01:07:00.000
about it.

1180
01:07:01.280 --> 01:07:03.760
And as you mentioned, Frankenstein one of.

1181
01:07:03.679 --> 01:07:06.960
His very stories vision. Yeah.

1182
01:07:07.840 --> 01:07:13.320
Yeah, all right, Amber, here's where we we we have

1183
01:07:13.360 --> 01:07:16.199
the fork in the road. Let's let's talk about the recommendation.

1184
01:07:16.400 --> 01:07:20.000
Your recommendation for The Devil's Backbone.

1185
01:07:20.239 --> 01:07:25.599
I think if you enjoy any of Germo del Torre's movies,

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01:07:26.360 --> 01:07:32.039
you should watch this one. But don't expect, you know, Ghostbusters,

1187
01:07:33.920 --> 01:07:36.679
because it's not it's deeper.

1188
01:07:36.760 --> 01:07:37.960
It's got a richer story.

1189
01:07:40.039 --> 01:07:40.159
Uh.

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01:07:40.320 --> 01:07:42.480
And and be prepared to watch it a couple of times.

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01:07:42.760 --> 01:07:45.679
All right, I'll tell you I will give it a

1192
01:07:45.719 --> 01:07:50.239
second chance at a later date, because it's del Toro

1193
01:07:50.360 --> 01:07:54.320
and because you are the voice of reason and you're you're, you're,

1194
01:07:54.320 --> 01:07:58.360
you're reasoning with me. But for for for my part

1195
01:07:58.440 --> 01:08:02.119
right now, I gotta say I need my horror to

1196
01:08:02.199 --> 01:08:10.159
have more ooze, less snooze. You know, this one's more

1197
01:08:10.239 --> 01:08:13.960
drowsy than dreadful, Amber, And that's I'm just I'm just

1198
01:08:14.000 --> 01:08:15.400
being honest.

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01:08:15.639 --> 01:08:18.159
I mean, you know, everybody has their opinion.

1200
01:08:18.439 --> 01:08:22.600
Yeah, listeners, what's your opinion of the Devil's backbone? Have

1201
01:08:22.640 --> 01:08:26.399
you seen this one? Is Amber Wright about this one?

1202
01:08:26.880 --> 01:08:27.520
More often than not?

1203
01:08:27.600 --> 01:08:27.960
She is?

1204
01:08:28.119 --> 01:08:30.680
We'll see You can let us know on social media.

1205
01:08:30.680 --> 01:08:33.920
You'll find us on Facebook, Instagram, and x. You can

1206
01:08:34.000 --> 01:08:37.159
check out the website to filmed by podcast dot com.

1207
01:08:37.199 --> 01:08:41.079
Everything we got is there links to the Patreon if

1208
01:08:41.119 --> 01:08:44.840
you're curious. Yes, weber if you want to hear, If

1209
01:08:44.880 --> 01:08:49.199
you want to hear a lot of exclusive content that

1210
01:08:49.239 --> 01:08:52.159
Amber Lewis has done, you know, from everything from like

1211
01:08:52.159 --> 01:08:55.800
the nineteen eighty six series to like you know, request episodes.

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01:08:56.880 --> 01:09:01.640
She's there. We're all there, yeah, and reminding you all

1213
01:09:01.720 --> 01:09:08.920
welcome or reach out to us. You can. Uh, you

1214
01:09:08.960 --> 01:09:11.239
can email us at a film by podcast at gmail

1215
01:09:11.319 --> 01:09:14.279
dot com. Uh, there's a link on the website, so

1216
01:09:14.520 --> 01:09:17.039
you can just go right there. Uh hit us up

1217
01:09:17.079 --> 01:09:19.920
on our website. We'll we'll definitely uh we'll hit you

1218
01:09:20.000 --> 01:09:26.479
right back. And if we share your questions, comment or concerns, uh, well,

1219
01:09:26.560 --> 01:09:29.239
we'll read on the show possibly and if we do,

1220
01:09:29.319 --> 01:09:32.079
we will definitely send you some a phone by swag.

1221
01:09:32.079 --> 01:09:35.439
We got the Amber. I'm sad to say that the

1222
01:09:36.119 --> 01:09:39.800
color changing stadium cups are in very limited supply. There

1223
01:09:39.840 --> 01:09:45.079
are must gone. Yeah, I've noticed you drinking out of yours.

1224
01:09:45.199 --> 01:09:53.680
Uh yeah, yeah, it'll change the color of your margarita.

1225
01:09:53.479 --> 01:09:56.600
The second you put that cup. Yeah, but uh yeah,

1226
01:09:56.720 --> 01:09:58.920
the the original logos on there, they're they're about gone.

1227
01:09:58.920 --> 01:10:01.960
But you know what, you email us, if we read

1228
01:10:02.000 --> 01:10:04.319
on the show, we'll we'll save you one. We'll send

1229
01:10:04.319 --> 01:10:06.000
you one. We got the stickers, we got the got

1230
01:10:06.000 --> 01:10:06.680
the new shirts.

1231
01:10:07.399 --> 01:10:08.119
The shirts.

1232
01:10:09.319 --> 01:10:13.479
One's like so soft, it's so snaffed and snappy. Yeah,

1233
01:10:13.479 --> 01:10:16.119
a secret. I'm like, hey, I changed the logo. Well,

1234
01:10:16.279 --> 01:10:17.640
you know, no one gives a shit about the logo.

1235
01:10:17.640 --> 01:10:20.039
They're all like, this is the softest shirt every and

1236
01:10:20.079 --> 01:10:23.920
it comes in purple. Yeah. Well it was a very

1237
01:10:23.960 --> 01:10:30.600
limited run, the limited limited edition game in special. Yeah

1238
01:10:30.439 --> 01:10:33.239
you got one. Well I got the gray one.

1239
01:10:33.279 --> 01:10:34.680
There's purple on the gray one.

1240
01:10:35.199 --> 01:10:39.039
Yeah. Yeah, that's good stuff. But uh, Amber, I do

1241
01:10:39.119 --> 01:10:42.800
want to thank you for recommending Gielmo del Toro. Uh.

1242
01:10:42.880 --> 01:10:46.399
He is without a doubt. I'm not gonna say he's

1243
01:10:46.439 --> 01:10:48.359
the master. He's one of the masters of horror, but

1244
01:10:49.399 --> 01:10:53.439
he is. He's one of the He's one of the

1245
01:10:53.439 --> 01:10:55.560
masters of monsters that you that you can't help but

1246
01:10:55.600 --> 01:11:01.159
fall for. Yes, we have just a few more episodes,

1247
01:11:01.880 --> 01:11:04.359
uh to uh to share with you this month, a

1248
01:11:04.439 --> 01:11:07.640
few more scary ones. Amber. I know you're not gonna

1249
01:11:07.640 --> 01:11:11.479
be back for any more of the scary stuff this month,

1250
01:11:11.640 --> 01:11:16.079
but I looked at the schedule for next month. No

1251
01:11:16.199 --> 01:11:18.520
days off for Amber Lewis, you know, like.

1252
01:11:18.640 --> 01:11:21.720
You benched me all the fall, but then I'm in

1253
01:11:21.800 --> 01:11:22.680
my right back.

1254
01:11:22.800 --> 01:11:27.119
You will be here every Monday in November and you're

1255
01:11:27.159 --> 01:11:30.840
hosting two, maybe maybe three episodes. Like you, you can

1256
01:11:30.880 --> 01:11:33.399
be pretty busy. I know, I don't know what I'm

1257
01:11:33.399 --> 01:11:37.840
gonna do with all my time off. Don't need me,

1258
01:11:39.239 --> 01:11:40.479
but to.

1259
01:11:40.439 --> 01:11:42.199
Make me sound like I know what the hell I'm doing.

1260
01:11:42.560 --> 01:11:45.279
You always know what you're doing. You got I listen.

1261
01:11:45.359 --> 01:11:48.520
You've got some great choices coming to our listeners in November.

1262
01:11:49.119 --> 01:11:51.399
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna spill what they are

1263
01:11:51.479 --> 01:11:52.880
right now. They'll just have to come back and check

1264
01:11:52.920 --> 01:11:53.159
it out.

1265
01:11:53.279 --> 01:11:55.239
Yes, it's gonna be so much fun.

1266
01:11:55.239 --> 01:11:58.239
There so at all of you out there listening to

1267
01:11:58.279 --> 01:12:03.960
the show, following us on social media, subscribing to our Patreon.

1268
01:12:04.960 --> 01:12:09.640
Let me thank you. M m m m

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H m hm