Guy Ritchie - The Gentlemen

0:00 So I'm curious, do you have a favorite pub like you like your go to pub? Oh goodness, don't get to go out that much. But what's the one that the Green called? See this is how the pub? Yeah? The pub? Yeah, it's just it's so generic. Yes, it's it's it's the pub. I went to quite a few of them when I did visit in London. I can't remember most of their names of you know, the Elephant, et cetera. But yeah, it would just be the pub. You were in London. Be about three years ago. Now, I was there when the Queen passed. Now so you know, well, maybe you do know that there's a pub in i Fitzrovia called the Lore of the Land. Did you happen to go to that one?

0:48 I did not go to. That one has a rather famous owner, Guy Ritchie. Oh I should have looked that up, and no I did not. I didn't get to do anything him related or Gordon Ramsey. Really I did go into the Sherlock Holmes pub. I had some fish and chips there. But yeah, Richie, he likes his pubs, he likes his breweries. He actually owned the Gritchy Brewing Company which was in operation from twenty seventeen through twenty twenty four. Okay, yeah, that would have been the time I was there, but no, I did not get to partake in that. Well, I'll tell you what. Why don't you grab a pint in a pickled egg? And let's talk about a film by Guy Ritchie, his twenty twenty fast paced crime comedy The Gentleman. Hello, and welcome back. I'm Jeff Johnson and this is a film by podcast and I've got a very special guest today joining us for the first time, Miss Angela Norris. Hello, Angela, Hello.

2:19 Thank you for having me on. I'm really excited to be here and talk about one of my favorite movies. So listeners, I gotta tell you. A couple of weeks back, Angela writes this incredible review for James Gunn Superman. Oh, thank you. And I just I was like, you know, I type on there and I'm like, hey, you know, we might be hiring you know, if you're looking for a job, And to my happy surprise, Angela message me. She's like, hey, I kind of wouldn't mind trying this out. So absolutely my. First question because I told you, I said, you know what I want you to be comfortable, want you to be in your element, and you know, talk about a movie that you like. So I told you, I said, Angela, you can pick any director, you can pick any movie.

3:08 We don't typically do this, we try to stick to underrated movies, but I said, hey, you know, what do you got? So you didn't even have to think about it. No, So my question to you is why Guy Ritchie and why the Gentleman? Well, my brother and I as teenagers, we bonded quite a bit over Lockstock into Smoking Barrels, and that was probably one of the first films that he and I really could get into. Just the style of language, the fast paced, with the back and forth, you know, all in the backdrop of you know, criminal activity and whatnot. So and then from there, you know, we had that we watched No Snatch and I just kept following. But this one in particular was just so fun for me.

3:55 Not only was it an absolutely like terrific cast, but I just love the layers and the balance that he provides, you know, with that humor versus you know, with really serious stakes, you know, involving you know huge you know drug dealer and a couple of other you know, drug lords and things like that. So yeah, it's just it was just a lot of fun for me and I just I just absolutely love it. So I know, I know Richie's done some really awesome stuff. Some people may or may not have seen The Gentleman. So my question to you as what's this one all about? Can you give us? Can you give us a quick little synopsis for this one? H So, pretty much, it's a drug dealer named Mickey Pearson who, as an American teenager, was very smart but grew up poor. But he was given a nice scholarship to Oxford University and there he found the sweet spot of what he was good at as far as when it came to marijuana and dealing with students. And so fast forward to you know, probably twenty some odd years later.

4:58 You know, he's a you know, big time, you know, head of the smoke game, and he's decided he would like to sell his business for you know, the quiet, gentry life with his lovely wife that is referred to as the Cockney Cleopatra, which I absolutely loved. So they can have you no kids and and things like that. But because of that, obviously you have a couple of other sharks another American and then a Chinese heroin druggler coming in wanting to kind of battle out. But in the process they're scheming to try to undermine that business so they can buy it on the cheap. And you've got you know, Hugh Grant playing wonderful Fletcher, who's the undercover journalist that bringing all this like basically being the narrator of the story to kind of put all those those pieces together until it comes satisfying.

5:53 Conclude satisfying. Indeed, written, directed and produced by Guy Rich. Yes, let's let's talk titles. So originally this is called Tough Guys before it was changed to Bush and then it gets picked up for US distribution and it becomes The Gentleman. Now, the word tough is British slang for a rich or upper class person, usually used in a derogatory Yes way, Bush obviously is slang from marijuana. So right off the bat, I gotta ask you, like, did they did they get the title? Right? Is it? I mean the Gentleman is that when you look at all three of them, like, what, what what's the best fit here?

6:40 I think definitely the Gentleman fits because you've got even despite their activities and what their their business is is that they do have a very high set of standards as far as you know, rubbing elbows with the the gentry, the lords, the ladies. No, you know, that does have a hand in keeping Mickey's business functioning throughout. So you know, it's a nice aristocratic balancing act that he does. And he's not that stereotypical. You know, this isn't just your street dealer, you know, he's he's he's a pretty high class, very clean, very you know, the you know, his fashion.

7:26 He's just being just a straight up businessman and he's been gentrified. Of course, there's still dirty work to be done, but he's got men for that to kind of keep his hands clean from any newer monstrosities that you know, he had once you know, committed, but no longer does you know, does those things until he is kind of pushed to having to do that, because how things get get out of hands. So I think the gentleman was perfect. I think if if they had just called it, you know, it's just I mean, that could be taken so many different ways, especially you know in the US and whatnot, and I wouldn't have really immediately thought of you know, marijuana necessarily, because it's not just about that. It would have been a i think a detriment to the all these characters and the moving pieces and and you know, just how they interact with each other like it's all in the up and up, even though what they're doing is, you know, quite a bit of dirty dealings, lots of dirty dealings, lots of dirty dealings, but they make it so fun.

8:35 Yeah, there's some very fun performances. Yes, and we're going to get to those. But let's take a quick break and when we get back we will talk cast. Welcome back. We are talking about Guy Ritchie's The Gentleman. So Angela, you gave us a great synopsis. Thank you for that. Talk about Mickey Pearson, who has played rather well by Matthew McConaughey. Did you notice that because obviously like he's he grows up in the States, you know, us ex expatriot that that heads to London. He's not he doesn't have that that Texas Twain though.

9:20 No, no he doesn't. He definitely has that h you know, that articulate you know, upper class that unless he actually told you what his origin was, you would have no idea. You know how he kind of had a move up, move up in the world and and uh where he you know how he got to hit the position that he's in. So yeah, unless you know like that backstory, you would think he was just another you know, privileged guy from a wealthy family who just decided to you know, go a slightly different path and making the money. And you know he definitely doesn't have any kind of residue of his past, if you will with that.

10:07 Yeah, he McConaughey co produces the movie with Richie. He's the first to sign on. I think this is one of my I prefer this McConaughey. Yeah, astly. He's intelligent, he's articulate. I'm not saying I don't like his other stuff, because he's awesome. I mean, he's Matthew McConaughey. But what I'm getting at is he's I don't know, I think he's just I don't know, he's doing something different here where he gets you know, you don't get to see him play this guy often, if ever, and you can tell he's having a lot of fun with the role. Oh absolutely, and you know just how his approach to it.

10:48 He's not a brute. He's you know, you know, refined, He knows his surroundings. He obviously has known how to adapt and you know basically has become one of them, you know. But yeah, he just has that calm control and that that cool confidence that you know, I know it's seen him have that and other roles and justin him you know, you know, as a person. But but it was a really nice take on you know, his position. You know, we think he'd be grittier, harder, you know, and I know we'll get into it pickre but his other half that we will eventually get to. But I that dynamic as well. And and his role, you know, with that of Michelle Dockery's Rosland.

11:42 Yeah, McConaughey is scary when he needs to be. Yes, he can pull the fire out, absolutely. Fierce when he needs to be. And uh, that definitely comes into play where his wife is concerned. Rosalind Pearson played by Michelle Dockery. So and it was so much fun seeing her in this role. I I have watched and I was obsessed with Doubton Abbey and I'm excited they have like another film coming out. But seeing her go like be as lady Mary Crawley, her being this very refined, you know lady. You know she's got a very cold you know front and and and that role, and then seeing her in this was just a lot of fun and seeing that difference in her and I think she played beautiful. And actually I didn't realize that the role was originally for Kate Beckinsale, who then had to bag and I love Kate Beckinsale, but seeing Michelle Dockery and that I couldn't.

12:43 I couldn't see it being anyone else. She just did. She was absolutely brilliant in the counterpart to uh To Matthew's Mickey Pearson. I really enjoyed this for her. So originally cast she's like, they're two weeks into shooting when she finally is like, hey, I can't do this interesting enough. Though Richie had Dockery like kind of waiting to step right in. I had never seen her in this. I'm not you know, I've never seen Downton Appy, So I'm glad that you have a frame of reference for us to tell us about about her. I will say this about her, She's incredible. I looked this up. So she typically only was given an hour to a few hours to learn her dialogue, because every day these monologues that she has and she is amazing, but they're writing them the day of, or they're rewriting them the day of, and they're like, hey, here's the new pages. We're rolling in, you know, sixty minutes. So the idea that she can do that and give us a performance like this, I had a lot of fun with her. I love that she's not the damsel in distress.

13:57 Yes, I was gonna kind of touch on that. Yeah, her being independent, she has her own business. I mean she's running her you know, upscale car shop. You know, these amazing women are like fixing muscle cars. Yes, And and she even in the in the movie, she's like, no, I don't want Roger, you know, I don't want him up front. You know, this is supposed to be a safe space for the ladies. And I just absolutely love that. And I love her strength and how much you know, you know her husband, uh you know, played by Matthew Was. I mean, he's just still just so an awe of her. And you can tell like there's that mutual respect and and and even throughout the movie, there's a particular slogan or motto if you will that he repeats that actually it came from her and you know, which I absolutely you know loved and you can definitely see that team dynamic with him versus you know, like when we're introduced to do Armie Strong, who plays you know, Matthew another is one of the sparing Yes. Yeah, he's the one who wants to buy Mickey's business. And you can just see the difference between like him and his wife, who you know, she's kind of like just there but I love that, like they are like the epitome power couple, but with you know, respect, she's got her own thing and and what just you know cracks me up. Uh, you know, when he's in her office and she makes

15:28 them I don't want you to be around here unemployed. I'll feeling sorry for yourself. And he's like, well, dang, you know, what are you doing here? And he's like, no, you're not, You're not like otherwise or so because I know you love you know, I just I just absolutely love that, and then you know the whole uh you know, they're they're little dancing teas where he's trying to you know, initiate Hey, you know, can they you know, have an intimate moment she's like, nah, you can wait, you know, and then even you know, it's just it's just was really fun and not like I said, it was just very respectful, but I mean, you know, like they're solid, which I really enjoyed, not just you know, her alone as her own character, but also in relation to the lead male.

16:09 Yeah, that moment too that you're talking about with the office, it's it's almost it's playfully almost like because she's definitely not a trophy wife, but maybe maybe he's the trophy husband, right. Yes, because you know, and she's catering to the trophy wives who are in there waiting for their fancy rides to be you know finished, and offering them champagne you know, while they're waiting and so forth, and then owe no charge because they had to and they're you know, the one the main ladies. She's got to get through a spin class in twenty minutes, you know or whatever. So it was really nice to see that that dynamic with that and her given something solid that she's got her own two feet and those four in shields on her how she walks on those things, but good lord, she owned it and it was, it was. It was awesome watching her in this, especially with having the background and being so used to her and the role in doubt.

17:01 Now, Okay, I'm gonna have to check how many seasons of Downton. I believe there was five seasons, and there's been two movies released, and I believe the third one, the finale, comes out next week. If I remember right, you know, that had you know, quite quite a you know, a few could cast the movie got you know, like Dan Stevens. That helped catapult his, you know, his career a little bit. But yeah, it's it's it's a pretty good show. If you're you know into that, you know, the turn of the century, and you tell me it may not be your thing, but I think it's worth at least giving it a try, try it out. Let's try it out. You know, I don't like it, I'm just gonna call you.

17:43 Yeah, this is upper class of tough guys. And back to that title, Yeah, that that just seemed to it would be just way too too gritty to like dirt under the fingernails kind of thing compared to you know what these characters really, you know, present. An actor who has definitely portrayed grit and a tough guy. Tough, not tough. Charlie Huntum. Oh he was. I loved him in this. He's basically Mickey's right hand man. Ray, I gotta tell you, I love this guy. He you know, we got to meet him last year. We were hanging out with him, my brother, my brother Josh who. I don't know if he's listening to this, but he's a big Charlie huntm fan.

18:30 Kind of looks like Charlie Holms, so I know that has never been a problem for him. But they got along famously. When I was just like, okay, I'm just hearing the background. I just I'll just stop talking. Yeah, I'm just gonna sit in the corner here, smile. Look pretty. But you know, when you when you think about him, because he's he's done some amazing work in film. But obviously a lot of people know Hims Jackson Teller from Sons of Anarchy, Uh, the exact opposite of Jack's teller here. And you know this, And because you're a big guy Ritchie fan, but Richie has a love for fashion m hm. And to get Hunum's look just right, he takes him shopping in London to better learn what kind of man Ray is. So there's no no wardrobe until I grab the the AMX Blackguard whatever. All right, we're gonna go find find your look. And yeah, so I mean imagine that that.

19:23 Speaks a language which again the Gentleman fits right in with with that. Absolutely. Yeah, he's very kind of cracked me out where he's a bit of a German phobe. You can tell, like even from his environment in state, he's very ocd. Everything has its place and and but you know, as a right hand man to a huge businessman as Mickey Mickey Pearson, yes, you've got to have you know, your i's dotted and your tea's cross, and he's very organized and he knows things even before it's being told to him, you know, as we kind of learned through about the you know film with that. So he's he's very much Yeah again one of those you you think he was like maybe a history professor.

20:08 Oh yeah, yeah. From that he's he's fascinating to watch. And I love the banter that is going on throughout the entire movie between him and uh and Hugh Grant. Yes, oh I absolutely loved it. So here's here's The cool thing about this movie because it's it's a bit of a caper, it's a bit of it. It's definitely hilarious, and it's definitely got its its action packed moments. But we basically got this guy Fletcher, who's like this sleazy tabloid journalist guy, which is ironic that Hugh Grant's playing someone like that given his yes, his history. But he was, yes, it's perfect for the role. He was so oh my god, he was. He was so fun to watch and just yeah, we've got this clink clink, but.

20:58 We've got this, We've got the story within a story happening. And it makes this a fascinating watch. It's one of those movies where the first time I saw it, I couldn't wait to watch it again because, you know, Grant, his character Fletcher, basically is trying to set up a blackmail situation with Eddie Marson's publisher and Charlie huntm and you know, basically he's telling well, Charlie Hunt playing Ray, He's basically saying, hey, look I've got all the dirt on your boss, Mickey, and oh, by the way, I wrote a film script about it. And he's like, what, so he's like, look, listen, He's like, you guys got the money, you just pay me off and buy my script and let's make the movie. So the whole movie is like this pitch that is just fascinating because it's hilarious because you can tell that Ray wants this guy out of his house immediately, but he's also got him over the barrel, so he's gotta He's kinda listen to him a.

21:59 Little bit of them. Some of it he wants, like, I want to know what you know, because I know what you probably already know, but you know anything beyond that, And then you kind of kind of find out he's on like double dipping. But then with a pitch, he's actually trying to triple down everything. How much are you loving how he is referring to him as darling the. Whole thing, oh my, because it's not even just banter. It's flirtationous, and the hand on the thigh and the look that it's just priceless, and then his facial reaction like that whole it just it cracks me up every single time. Ham is delivering such a comfortable with you right now?

22:43 But then but then you got you grant you know, like just just egging it on, like I love it. At the end, he's like, he's like, all right, you're leaving. I'm going to bed. He's like can I come? Yes? No, He's like, well I might be there, right, he's going to repeat what he says. It's very lude. But oh but yes, the listener you can get you can get the picture. Yeah, now here's what's awesome. You Grant films all of his stuff in five days. Goodness, Okay, yeah, I didn't realize that timeline. That's incredible because he has forty pages of dialogue. He has quite a bit of me. He'es basically the narrator you know, of all that. Yeah.

23:23 Yeah, he's like our avatar in a way. Now, we talked about how amazing Michelle Dockery is, you know, getting stuff an hour ahead of time. Mm hmm. Again, Grant's got forty pages. He's got a knock out in five days. The poor guy makes he creates like a cheat sheet code on his script so that he can he can recall it fast, and the day before. Shooting they change everything. No, no, his car got broken into and his script, his copy of the script was stolen. Oh no, so he's. Doing his best on the set every day, winging it. And of course sometimes when you see how well goes back and forth and you kind of wonder, you know, how much that was a little bit ad like, you know.

24:09 But while we're on the subject of like, you know that that banter, that's another kind of thing. I think what kind of draws me with the guy Richie. You know, even you know with my brothers that he's very good at constructing very colorful and very descriptive comebacks, put downs, or just the way you know. I mean, it's you know, I'm not going to say the word, but there is a particular word that you know, when said and you know, it's it's not really good. But I'm like, you know what, he kind of warned me up to the use of it. And also I know it's a very popular word, you know amongst you know, the British, but you definitely you know what this is. This is kind of you know what I'm not. I'm not offended by this word. I'm very I like the playfuls of how he decorates it and how he you know, presents it. So kudos to him, I mean, his his script writing skills, are just I gotta.

25:00 Tell you, so that that term that you're that that word, it's it's popular amongst the British, it's popular amongst the Australians more of a as a as a term of endearment, especially in Australia. But I was like, you know, I'm not gonna not gonna talk about that. I don't want I don't want to offend Angelo. But you brought it up. But the context of context, Yes, So the way that his his his dialogue, that what he does with this dialogue, it's it's incredible, so smart. And this word specifically Colin Ferrell, who plays the coach. Yes, and let's talk Colin. He has this this great moment with one of his fighters.

25:44 You know, he's kind of running like a gym. And trying to like rehab troubled boys, troubled young man. Yeah, yeah, he's but you know, the one is like a little upset because another guy calls him that word. But he also says, you know, you know he calls him a black. Yes, he prefaces it. Yes, well it's not racial because you know he was you're black, and you are you are a black? He's like, whoa I wasn't going to call he's a gypsy. I wasn't you know. He's like, well, if it's a term of effect, you know, it's just it's crazy that you can hear foul language, but the way he does it with his with his writing, uh huh, it's not offensive.

26:28 Right, and breaking it down that, yes, in that particular instance, it wasn't you know, against a whole group of people, it was and even calling Farrell like no, he was specifically talking to you and about you, you know, so don't make this anything. Yes, So that was pretty you know, like putting a fine point. Yes, you know, that critical thinking skill that can't you know that that I I I do enjoy that other side of it of when you're you know, having to either you know, whether it's said as a term of endearment or whether it's not. You know, there's still that, yeah, that that that contacts with that that like you said, Colin can more of an affection. Colin Farrell with his his vintage glasses and his tracks and the hat and the hat, he just I'm gonna say right now, he has the best introduction out of any character in the movie that chip Shop, Yeah, chip Shop and you know, what's what's the you know, because like these guys come in, these these hooligans, and they're roughing up some customers and.

27:25 He, yeah, and older gentleman's swiping his hat off, you know, and then what are they going to do? Because you know, and he and he just goes to work on like four different guys. He's like, you know, lad, you're embarrassing yourself. Come out to the gym. I'll teach you proper. Right, just like and even before then, when they're trying to go back and forth, he's trying to have them, you know, why don't you come at me with some intelligence if you're gonna give me that banter that that back and forth come on. And it's so funny because I'm like, I really connected with him on that because you know, with you know, the certain you know, jobs you have or the people around you don't always can get that back and forth. And that's one of the most fun things, you know, Like whenever we're having you know, our film group kids, I love that back and forth. And it also makes you smarter, and it makes you sharper, and it helps you know with your own skill set as far as coming back with your own colorful you know, like which are descriptions or whatever. So I really felt that.

28:15 I'm like, really, you just want to come at me like a punk to saying these lame, trite, lazy, you know declarations that really have like no backing. And I love how he's trying to, you know, focus on that, and he's like, he's like, life is hard. You know, you got to use your brain, you know, and this and that, and then you know they still want to try to come at him, you know, physically, and then they underestimate just because you know, they even refer to him, you know, like as an old man and things like that, and they're like, you have no idea who you're messing with. And that's the thing, like you don't know, you know. Coach any who Coach might like, you know he because we don't see him for like the first twenty twenty. Yeah, as soon as he's on the screen, though, I think Coach becomes my favorite character or who who who I identify with, you know, because he's a good guy.

29:04 Yeah right, and he's just trying to do right by his boys, who wound up doing a dumb thing thinking that you know, they have this sweet opportunity of having no idea that they just knocked over a hornet's nest, and and and now he's got to make up for their mistakes again in some very very clever and imaginative ways. I like that he you know, he's apologetic, he puts he takes responsibility for what they do because obviously they try they think they're going to pull a fast one on Matthew McConaughey. Yeah, And he wasn't trying to marijuana. Yeah, he wasn't trying to you know, be a sleeze about it like Hugh Grants Fletcher exactly.

29:49 He actually do have. A little bit of honor and I'm in your detegrity, Yes, I'm. In your debt until you feel yes square. And I'll assist you with that. But just you know, but even the things that he does to help Ray and Mickey out, you're kind of well with with with exception of one thing. You're you're kind of like, you know, it's not really bad. You know, he's right, he's helping the right way. He's he's your good guy. His his heart is definitely in the right place, and it's and it's out of definitely necessity, not for this, you know, inner evilness or anything like that, and you know it's it's also fun when his debt has been paid that you know, he's like, hey, with the greatest respect, I hope so much.

30:32 So talking about coach and and his uh his kids, toddlers, toddlers. That leads me into something. You know, not a whole lot of background about the movie, you know what I mean. You know, you go online, you're gonna find out, Oh yeah, they shot it on location at this place or that place. Not a whole lot, you know, but something interesting here. I want to talk about the lawsuit concerning the Rock Rolla trilogy. Okay, I don't know if you know much about this one. No, I don't. I don't know anything about the lawsuit. Okay, So are you talking like the Rock and Roll of the movie he also did. Okay, yeah, okay, okay, So let's so check this out.

31:12 I wanted to get your take on this. Actor and screenwriter Mickey Dejera. He played Turbo in Rock and Roller, if you remember him. He sued Guy Ritchie three years after The Gentleman was released, and his claim was that the characters and aspects of the story for the Gentlemen were stolen from him from a script he wrote and offered Guy Richie as a sequel to Rock and Roller. Okay, so uh. The most blatant instance of this comes down to Colin Ferrell's character Coach. So in his in his script, there is a character named Coach, and you mentioned in The Gentleman, you know Colin Ferrell's the wayward boys are called. They call themselves the toddlers. You know, they're training MMA but they're in boxing, but they're also like trying to be YouTube you know rappers. You know, they're posting stuff online.

32:14 Call themselves the toddlers. Well, in Dehara's script there is a character named Coach who is looking out for some wayward boys at a fight club, and the boys refer to themselves as the baby Squad. So very very similar. Yes, it's pretty similar. I feel like, yes, that's very yeah. Now, although Richie tried unsuccessfully to reach Dehara for several years after Rock and Roller, he offered to discuss the matter, you know, before I went to court, and I was like, hey, look, we know we can sit down, we can talk about this. That didn't work out, So in London High Court in twenty twenty three, Richie confirmed that discussions had previously been made about Rock and Roller being a film trilogy, and that ideas and some aspects of the story were used for The Gentleman. Meanwhile, Dehra was under contract as a work for hire agreement.

33:15 Right, so kind of like any intellectual property you produce while under that contract belongs to the owner. Yeah, therefore he is not entitled to a Writer's Guild Association credit. Gotcha. That's that's where That's where Guy Richie's at with it. I offered you money, I offered you a contract, I paid you. We talked about this whole thing. I'm going to use what I want to use. So I don't know what you know, does does the Hara have a case or are you thinking like Guy Richie's got him? Well, I mean definitely just like in you know, I don't know all with you know, UK law, but you know, as far as like intellectual property, I mean even like you know, engineers, things like that, anything like you know that is designed while they are working in the company, even if it was on their off time. Things like that usually within that contract, which hopefully people would properly read or have you know, lawyers advise in them with that that kind of you know, would be considered the actual property of the said company that they are under, and not I wish to point that we would, you know, have Hey, this is the person who came up with this, even though it's umbrellaed you know, under the company. And you know, I don't think that you know, the company should take full credit for that, just because you know, they have a very bright, you know worker. But how many stories and things as far as along technology science and things like that that where people don't get the credit, or because they had so many other people working for them,

34:47 it kind of got umbrellaed under the main person. So you know, if if guy Ritchie did try to reach out to him to try to do some due diligence trying to hey, even though this is what this contract says, and this is on my side, if he was open to try to have a conversation with him, or maybe he could have tried to do something outside of that. I don't know those particulars, but if he at least tried to you know, no, pun intendent be a gentleman about it. That's more than what a lot of businessmen in his position probably would do because it's black and white. I've got a contract. It's on my side. I really don't care what you feel about it. But but if somebody you know in this business and you know that entertainment business and cares about those relationships and things like that, if he did make an attempt and try, but the uh, the party that was you know, going after him, didn't make themselves available to those possibilities, I mean, you don't know how it could have well swung.

35:52 So I I think somewhere along the. Line and yeah, the law has to you the one to make that decision. Well, here's your thing. They haven't. This case is still ongoing. Goodness, it's twenty twenty five is still going. And I'll say, yeah, the movie was what twenty and eighteen, and then then what Conroller was twenty? I don't have that date right in front of me. Yeah, but still, yeah, that's crazy. Clearly went sideways because all this guy wants is two hundred and fifty thousand dollars and a writing credit. Now, if you're a guy richie, yeah, I'm not saying that's pocket change. But right, but I feel I feel like that he.

36:32 Could have done that. Yes, it's something that this something's going on with this guy is like he was probably like, you know, hell, this guy like you'll never get it. And who knows if other things was going on with this particular person involved. I don't know, you know what that kind of relationship was beyond you know, like a you know, a professional one or even as a professional one. And you know, guy Ritchie didn't want to entertain that thought. I don't know what he's you know, tried to do that, so I I I couldn't, you know, say hey, guys, kind of you know, he isn't being a general. He didn't try to give like a fair play to try to resolve an issue without having to go through the High Court's I think without that information, I you know.

37:13 Well, let's talk about some of these Let's talk about some scenes where some people maybe are not being as gentlemanly as he could. Dry Eye, Oh my god. I love Henry Golding. Don't get me wrong. He's like, oh my god, but oh he was very good. In this too. So you you brought up Golding. So I do want to talk about the first thing. I want to talk about Mickey taking a meeting with dry Eye. I he you know, hey, I took this meeting. You know, I respect my wife and. He first the first thing he said was don't ever approach her like that again, never impeacher like that. And I love that Golding is pushing because he wants he wants to make a play for the business.

37:56 Mm hmm. Comes at in the disrespectful way though, you know, absolutely was it when the when the silver. Back get on best to be moved on and even the ons looked like. Just some great back and forth here. Absolutely love it, and we get we get to see the first moment where Matthew McConaughey gnashes his teeth a little bit, you know, he's yes, you know, when the when the Lion's hungry. Yes, And then you go through this whole imaginative spiel that Fletcher's conjured up versus how it how it didn't.

38:41 But I don't know if you noticed when you're watching that scene how long he was clicking on that calculator or whatever, and then he's still being told that he's a fused zero stations. I'm like, what were you putting? Part of me wanted to go back and listen for the clicks to find out how many times he's tapping to make a a space because we know the initial deal was the initial deal is like nearly five hundred million. Four hundred million. Yeah, So and he comes up, he's like, yeah, you're you're nowhere to close. So a couple of zero short, it's like, well, dang, how many one trillion dollars?

39:22 You know, you would think, I don't know, it's it's a It's a great moment though, because we get to see a little bit of Henry Golding and we get to see. The audacity of dry. I mean that was just like the old the audacity. Not only that, but going in there without hit his head haunchow. Yeah, he's working for George George, Yeah, Lord George and m Yeah. I just love the fact that, like, because we talked about this this ah, there's a lot of moments where there's some there's just some comedy, just like eyes are so drying now you know. Yes, he's like yeah, He's like, are you looking for your balls or a hole in the walls? Yeah?

40:09 Yes, I love this moment. I think one of the more action packed moments and definitely one of the funnier moments is Ray trying to collect all the cell phones. Yes, that I mean pretty much take away the raps on that they had playing along and just throw in the Benny Hills, the Benny Hill theme song. Yeah, oh my goodness, yes, ridiculous. And you I mean I was out of breath watching them trying to catch up these these little toddlers, different toddlers, but on the bikes and running and then holding them upside you know, upside down over the you know, the ledge and then you know the guy coming at old machete, Oh, won't you just drop it and leave? And then he's like and he pulls out the the gun and just starts to open far and into the.

40:59 Sky and such. He's just like you can just tell see the exasperation on race. It's such a it's such an Indiana Jones moment because at this point he you know, he chases his kid down, goes down the wrong alley and now the kids got back up. He's got like six guys there, and I'm like, oh, this might be where we get to see Ray you know, get physical. Right and get his hands truly dirty. Truly dirty. And then he does, you know, when he's when he's confronted and they got they pulled up, they pulled a machete. He's got a submachine gun tucked under his trench coat and he just fires it away. He's like, put the cell phone down.

41:40 Yes, He's like, I know, you guys are all rule boys, you know. And then he uses that color for a word again, you know, and so forth and and everything, and then you know, when the last kid finally dropped it, he just is a little like a little rat, like Screenway, a little rat. It was so funny. I'll give you one more scene. Yeah, I feel like it's the pivotal moment, not for the movie, but for the character talking about Ray and talking about Mickey giving Matthew his movie. Yes a gram shy and the freezer door does not open. Yes, Angela, this is some saw level shis happening right here.

42:24 I really like how Mickey expresses that he's not emotional about the money because he doesn't care, you know, about that part. But what he does care about is that someone put their hands on his wife, and you can just see the blind red rage that up to this point he's been you know, keeping a calm, collective raisman, you know, trying to keep you know, juggling of the balls, you know, from getting out too much more. No source, but it's like that was the line, like you can you came, you put It's like you went behind my back to go to to make your guys' little dealings to try to undermine my business, you know, telling the you know, giving the toddlers the information of you know where one of the farms was, you know, breaking in, you know, causing all these issues to try to lower that cell price. And that wasn't even you know, I mean granted he would have dealt with that, but it's like, but you put your you know, dry, put his hands on my wife and then yeah, coming back for like no, I don't want the money for that. I want a pound of flesh. And when he was holding that knife and then I'm like all the I mean you want to talk about that is and the fact that he's like, you've got to do it yourself. But if you can't stomach it, then my dude is going to assist you.

43:42 He's dressed for the weather because yeah he's got this, he's got this meat truck. Yes, and he reminds him, he's like, hey, you're going in no matter what. MM hmm. It's negative twenty five degrees. Mm hmm. I'd say you have about an hour, right, so that's plenty of time for you to pick up your phone and make the connection, make the transfer, the wire transfer. So right, so you're basically buying your way out of the truck, but also before you can exit, you need to make up for the discretion that the complete unforgivable that was, you know, and luckily he got you know, there in time, and that whole thing that was amazing too, like just how calm. She was like, hey, babe, he just fire you know what, three shots and to dry and he's like, I no, love.

44:30 She has just murdered two henchmen with. The paper weight with a paper weight. Yeah, thats fires two bullets. Yeah, she's killed two guys. She's you know, gone at it physically. She's fought you know, dry eye to the best of her ability. And right there when it turns ugly because like all of a sudden, like now we're talking about sexual assault, yes, and I was like, man, I hope this doesn't happen. And then Matthew mccaughy and she yeah, but throughout all that she's this demeanor just calm, level headed demeanor, like.

45:11 She you know, she didn't hang she didn't hang up the phone even though she was on the phone with Mickey, but he didn't know that. So that way she could, you know, say what are you doing here? Dry? I had to let you know, makey know, hey, this is who's here? Yeah, smart, And you know, then then that's where we're learning about all. Now, do the Russians want their revenge because one of the main oligarchs kids fell off the balcony, which was one of the unexpected you know, things to have happened before they start chasing the use for the cell phones, you know, so they're they're trying to go after you know, Mickey Pierson for that. But fortunately Ray comes in, you know, to to prevent that from happening. He's like, okay, dry Is got rows and they immediately get in the car and then they had that accident. But he does not let that stop him from continuing that running, screaming her name, getting her and yeah, just I mean just that alone. Just again, it goes back to that respect and that you know, this this character matters, and you know, because you know a lot of these types of moods you don't see a lot of the females being the you know, being viewed as that, yeah, being viewed as that, and and that's like that's his like, you know, nothing matters the world, you know, none of this the money and hething like that. I was like, no, is she you know, I need to get to her.

46:30 And but yeah, that that whole scene was just yeah, beautiful And you just hear that like little dog in the background, you know, hmm. It's like all the reckoning is here and I loved it. Is it? I believe? So I believe that is because obviously you know now that Mickey knows that someone else is is trying to take a hit on him, because you know, he he knew uh when when he was telling Ray, hey, don't let the uh those close fool you. They come from you know, expensive schools and expensive family and money can be troupe. You know, money can be a problem with that, but not necessarily knowing who's this parent. And it wound up being you know, the Russian olive art and then I think I'm saying that word right to which you know, then you know, coach has to actually assist one more time.

47:21 So it was for it was one more than what he was wanted to. Does it say he just holds up for you. He's just like, he's like, Okay, we're more of my debt is more than done, more than paid, more than paid. So you kind of owe me a little favorite. Maybe I don't know. Yeah, I agree. It is a pivotal moment. So with that, let's uh, let's get ready to take another break. Unless you're listening on Patreon, Angela and I are going to continue our conversation. I think we're going to talk about guy Ritchie uh in the the television realm. But so if you're listening on Patreon, we got that about to happen.

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48:52 Very enjoyable. Yeah, but for those listening on the streaming app of their choice that's not paid. Let's talk about Guy Ritchie. So if and I know this is your first time answering this question, so let me set this up for you. You got someone who does not know who Guy Richie is, and they watch The Gentleman and they love it, and they ask you, Angela Norris, like, this guy's awesome, This movie is awesome. What else does he have? What else should I watch? What three movies? What three Guy Ritchie movies are you going to recommend that they check out? Well, definitely Lockstock and Two Smoking Barrels. I mean that was his first feature film, and uh, that is the one that when it came out, my brother and I bonded over that. For those who haven't gotten into the Guy Ritchie films, you know, from like the get go, I think The Gentleman is a good one to start with because with the early ones, you know, you do have a lot of you know, with the accents and the different slang and the different origin you so it might be a very fast paced and you know conversation as well as you know, cinematography things like that, So gentlemen might be a good ease ease into that, but definitely would recommend the lockstock and two smoking barrels, which actually, uh was able to come to fruition because Sting's wife was a main investor, which I had looked at look that up, but I think Sting even had a role in that movie too. He did, and.

50:22 Only because you bring it up. I was shocked to find out that his daughter is in the gym. I didn't know that. Who So when they go to rescue the girl, yeah, I'm looking at her. I'm like, why the hell does she look so familiar? No kidding, And. I was like, I know, I've seen her face and I don't know where. And then yeah, she's she's Sting's daughter. Oh my goodness. You can't unsee it once you know it, Like you will look at her face and yes, that's Sting. Oh my goodness. Uh yeah, I I yeah, I was completely oblivious to that fact. So also also a little yeah connection that that's nice that hey, you know, I mean they helped him in a big way with that first feature film. But and of course Snatch is really good, you know, that was you know, we had a little bit more of an international viewing with a lot more familiar faces, you know, especially you know, particularly with you know, American you know, actors. That was able to broaden that for him. I know, I mentioned over on the Patreon side that the Chlock Holmes is a very good I mean obviously the first one, you know, watched that one.

51:33 I wouldn't say watched the second first. But but I really liked his his interpretation, I really, I mean, everything about the music with Hans Zimmer was perfect. Again, you know that good banter, I mean, you really feel like you're immersed in Sherlock's world, you know, of of his time, and and again applying that that good witticism and intelligence. Slows it down. I love. One of the things I love about Guy Richie's Sherlock is how he sees what's gonna happen before it happens, and he's basically breaking it down. And he's calculating flat it fraction. Of a second by fraction of a second. I love that.

52:15 And then babe, you know you see it all play out. Yeah, No, I absolutely love that Okay, so lock Stock and two smoking barrels snatch and you mentioned like you know, uh, you got you gotta get used to some of the slang and some of the accents, Brad Pitt's cotton, the accent, yes something, put the subtitles on. Yes, Yes, I do advise that because there was even sometimes even now, I'm just like, I have no idea what you're saying, even trying to pull context, I don't know what you were saying. And just as like an honorable mention. I know it's not up there on like the Rotten Tomatoes rading or whatever, but just because I love Geerard Butler and Tom Hardy was in it. Rock and Roller was pretty good. But I and the reason why I'm bringing this up is because I want to put this out in the universe that I feel like, eventually, maybe after the Young Show Lock or something, he needs to come up with a really good movie for both Gerard Butler and Tom Hardy to be like two leading dudes.

53:06 I would love to see that. Maybe not so much as like a like a buddy buddy movie. I don't I don't want to go down water, go down that route, but I would like to see them like that. I give you. I asked for three. You break the way. That's what I do. Are you an Amber? I know you haven't met yet, but are you guys already you know you're already in. That's my that's my that's my extra two cents. All right, I'll tell you what I so I would meet I'll meet you on Snatch for sure. That that is a fantastic one. I mean, it's it's hard to pick three, it really is. But if I'm if I'm doing it, I'm telling us after they watched The Gentleman, I'm saying, yeah, absolutely watch Snatch only because it's awesome and we covered it. Uh, what was it last season?

53:58 Back in April two Fifteen's the Man from Uncle? Okay, that was our first guy Richie episode. Andrew Blakeley and I talked about that one, and that one is just awesome. Henry cavill Is you know Napoleon, you know, playing Napoleon Solo, coolest name ever, first spy. Yeah, you know him, and. Him and Archie Hammer are just that It's it's awesome. I actually didn't watch that one until this year. Okay, so I did watch it, and I don't I don't know. Maybe it's just it's the I don't know, maybe it was Archie Hammer's accent. I don't know. I don't know what it was. No, I just I don't know. Just something just felt off. Okay, so I wasn't able to really, I don't know. I just there was just something. And I mean Alicia Vickender, she's wonderful, Oh she's awesome. But yeah, there was just just I don't know, there was just something kind of about it. I just I mean I watched it all the way. I you know, we'll go back the power to him. Everybody make their own opinion.

54:59 But well, listeners, if. You haven't yet, go back check out our episode for Guy Ritchie is The Man from Uncle with Andrew Blakeley. But I'm saying Snatch because it keeps you in the Gentleman universe, so to speak. I'm saying the Man from Uncle because it gives you Guy Ritchie doing James Bond. Yeah, that definitely got that vibe from it. Yes. And then lastly, and you know, Snatches two thousand, so I'm gonna give you that decade, and then the twenty ten's manif the Man from Uncle is twenty fifteen, Lastly twenty twenty three, The Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare WAT. It's on my list, but I haven't gotten there. It is just blatant, gratuitous violence and action and comedy, and Henry cavill is just untethered.

55:50 Got you know him? Who's who's the guy playing playing Reacher? Alan Richardson Richardson, Yeah, everyone wants to be Batman right now. But I'm telling you, these guys are just awesome. And it's it's almost like guy Richie said, I want to make a Quentin Tarantina movie. Gotcha? Okay? Like it feels very inglorious, bastards. But I was just about to ask that was one thing that brought me up. When you said, yeah, gratuitous violence and a little bit of comedy, immediately thought of en glorious best. But it is. It is. In fact, it's based on true story and a book, I think. But it gives you a little bit of Richie in in multiple formats. You know, if you want to see his crime you know, his London crime stuff, if you want to see his spy stuff, if you want to see just over the top bloody action movie. That's my three, right, there so good recommendations. Speaking of recommendations, your recommendation, you're telling people they got to they gotta check out the Domo.

56:49 Yes, absolutely absolutely. I think it's one of Richie's best. Honestly, when you look at his whole body of work, I would put this. I'm gonna say this is probably a top three. Yeah, I mean just how everything do just overlaps interseex you know, all these different, you know, pieces, but it's I don't feel like it's not so many that you know, you can't you know, uh, stay on top of you know, like Game of Thrones. Yeah, I don't know, but yeah, and then just that that nice balance of just that humor and business and then yeah, it's just it's just an overall just checks just every single box for me.

57:31 It is currently streaming on Netflix. You can also rent it as well as own it. There is an excellent four K Blu ray that's available that has some very fun extras on the So, listeners, what do you think of the Gentleman? Have you seen this one? Are you watching the Netflix series? Angela tells you you're better? Yeah? You too? Uh, you can let us know on social media. You'll find us on Facebook, Instagram, and x You can check out www dot a film by podcast dot com for all the episodes streaming free on the platform of your choice. We've written several articles. I know Wayne Whited is about to start writing some uh some cool stuff for the website. Angela, we might have to have you write.

58:14 I mean you're here, you know you you kind of got uh you got on the on the show with with some clever writings. I appreciate that. Yeah, we might have to every now and then. I can you know, lean back and get that get that out. Yeah, listeners, you can always write to us at a film by podcast at gmail dot com with your questions, comments and concerns. We might just read your response on the show, and if we do, we will definitely send you some of film by swag. Well, listen, I gotta I gotta tell you, I've had a blast. I'm happy you know you stop by. We're like, hey, let's let's let's let's live so much fun. Yes, yeah, you know you're not yet your first one out of the way, hopefully you'll be back. I would love that. Okay, love that very much.

58:56 Well, I am glad to hear that, because, uh, you know, I think you can bring a lot of fun to the show. And uh and as Rosalind Pearson, if I can quote her, I'll definitely say there's there's gonna be some fuck real foot. Yes, that is definitely one of my yes. Yes, oh yeah, no, it's actually in my notes herero so my favorite quotes Roslin there's fucker real foot. Well, as you know, we started the month. Garrett and I started September off with a Keanu Reeves movie. We did The Replacements. Oh god, that is one of my favorite movies. That's probably the main one with the football involved that I will watch anytime, yes, you know.

59:39 And then last week, h Garrett and I did another Kanu Reeves movie. We were just talking about The Gift, Yeah, which is Keanu at his just dirt bag creepiest. It just so happens, though that Kanu didn't We didn't do this on purpose, but it just so happened that he's like many great men, he is celebrating his birthday in September, you know, guys like Garrett Gibson, guys like Jeff Johnson. My brother is actually his birthday first. So but I asked Garrett, I said, hey, man, I said, you know, we started the month off with with Keanu, and we did in the middle of the month. You know, we were talking when we finished the Gift. I was like, you know what, maybe we should end the month with Kean, you know what, any ideas And he was like, oh, yeah, brother, let's let's do Constantine.

1:00:29 Yeah, yeah, that's really good. And here's the thing, Angela. It just so happens that Rachel Weiss in the film plays a detective named Angela. I didn't remember that it was Rachel. I just couldn't remember what a character. Garrett, I might have to have you sit in with us. That would be great. No. Absolutely, Yeah, it's been a minute since I've watched that one, but I definitely would enjoy a rewatch. It's divisive, I know. I know fans of the of the book of the character are are not happy with that film. I have no background in that, that's true. So it's just a film. I can tell you. I have a background in the world of the comic book and obviously with Kiano's performance, I'm a fan of both. So we'll talk about that next time. So to all of you out there listening to the show following us on social media and subscribing to our Patreon. We thank you, and we remind you if you wish to be the king of the jungle, it's not enough to act like a king. You must be.

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