Harold Becker - Malice

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Here's my question to you, Scott, would you willingly cut off one of

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your fingers for a million dollars?
No way, no, no, no,

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You're not even gonna think about it, not even not even just a

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digit. No, a million dollars, million dollars? Nope no, all

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right, Well, you know who
agrees with you, Doctor Jed Hill and

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Andy Safian, characters from one of
my favorite nineties thrillers. It sounds like

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you want to talked about a film
by Harold Becker. Absolutely, let's talk

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about his nineteen ninety three underrated thriller
Malice. Hello, and welcome back to

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a Film By podcast. I'm Jeff
Johnson, Scott, Scott Hoffman. Glad

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that you're here. My usual co
host Brad Cozo. He'll be taking a

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little time off for some very good
reasons. Meanwhile, happy to have you

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here, Scott. Not your first
time showing up on a Film By episodes,

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though you had a very hilarious,
very entertaining run with our nineteen eighty

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six series. Earlier this year you
were co hosting with David Burns. We

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did a great thing a film at
forty five where you guys were discussing the

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forty fifth anniversary of some really stellar
movies from nineteen seventy eight. Here recently

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you just wrapped up you were doing
the Strange New World's Recap show with Strange

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New Wednesdays, and and just a
month ago you you you joined uh Andrew

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Blakeley for what I would say is
an amazing, maybe a spectacular episode for

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our Patreon where you talked about the
new Spider Man movie. Scott you were

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you. I guess it was only
a matter of time before you made your

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way to the flagship show, right, like a fungus that just creep in

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everywhere. No, Yeah, it's
always fun to have these conversations because,

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I mean, these are the things
that we're talking about all the time.

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It's the stuff that we love.
Some of the stuff is stuff that we

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like to poke fun at, but
it's all conversations that that we're having all

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the time, and I'm happy to
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uh, you know, we love
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a deep dive, spoiler full episode, which we we warned people ahead of

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keep going. It's only gonna keep
getting bigger and bigger. Yep, Scott,

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let's talk about Malice. Uh.
For those that have not seen this

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this awesome thriller, tell me what
it's all about. Malice is a twisted

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thriller that essentially turns itself into two
interconnected stories set a relatively small college town.

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Each story revolves around intimate triangle of
players. You've got Andy, the

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associate dean of students, and his
new wife, Tracy, who works with

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kids in a local hospital and doctor
Jed Hill, a self proclaimed god of

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a surgeon who works at Tracy's hospital
and also happens to be an old classmate

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of Andy's. Their lives begin to
connect as a serial rapist stalks the students

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that Andy is responsible for, and
Jed operates on one of the first students

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targeted by this unknown assailant. As
Jed becomes more involved in Andy and Tracy's

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lives, tensions and suspicions continue to
arise about everyone's true intentions. Then,

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in one night, the story behind
the story begins to unfold. What begins

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as a small town thriller becomes a
tangled web of malicious deceit that ruins several

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lives in the process. Excellent Malice
originally titled Damages Scott. It's celebrating its

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thirtieth anniversary a month from now.
My question to you, right off the

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bat, does this hitchcocky and style
mystery up thirty years later? I would

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say so. Yeah. There's enough
honestly unexpected twists in this that it surprised

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me. This is my first time
seeing it, and I think it absolutely

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holds up as as something fresh.
You know, earlier this month, Dayton

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Johnson of the docum based seventy seventh
podcast joined me to discuss Pacific Heights,

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and we discussed, uh, this
this subgenre that kicked off in the early

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nineties. You know, married couple
meets unassuming threat and terror follows. So

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before Malice, we got Pacific Heights, Deceived, Sleeping with the Enemy,

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Mortal Thoughts, consenting adults, unlawful
entry, and guilty at sin Scott,

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I asked Dayton, I'm gonna ask
you also your thoughts on these types of

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thrillers and do you have a favorite? So I think I think those types

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of thrillers at this time in the
nineties were very popular. I know that

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Unlawful Entry is one of my favorites. You can't go wrong, you know,

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Rayleiota versus Kurt Russell. But the
one that that stands out is probably

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the Threat from Within. I'm thinking
about Sleeping with the Enemy, the performances

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by Julia Roberts specifically in that movie, and just that it's kind of the

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issues that it's bringing to the surface. You've got things like spousal abuse,

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You've got things like infidelity, all
these things that are kind of ratcheted up

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to eleven basically, and and given
that idea that this safe environment is not

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safe at all and it's not what
you expect and some of the things that

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are going on behind the scenes.
Yeah, for me it in that entire

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run. The one that I think
is unforgettable is sleeping with the Enemy.

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You know, here's the thing that
is exactly the answer that Dayton Johnson gave.

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And right now he is somewhere listening
to this episode and he is already

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hatching the idea of a sleeping with
the Enemy episode that he's gonna he's gonna

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co host with you, Dayton.
Look all all I asked is that you

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just plug a film by when it
when it happens. That's right, Scott.

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Let's let's talk about this casting crew. So we got Bill Pullman as

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Andy Safian and Nicole Kidman as Tracy
Safian. The chemistry is a little off

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early on, but once you get
the reveal about Tracy, it kind of

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makes sense. Yeah, yeah,
I'd say so. And I mean there

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there's some weirdness that they kind of
set up, especially when Jed shows up

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to the house and looks at that
newspaper clipping where the headline says professor Mary's

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favorite student. It's kinda like,
I don't know if you want to say

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that in your college paper. Yeah, but yeah, I mean she's a

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little snippy with him right here and
there very much. Yeah, like in

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a defensive kind of way. Right
anytime he's asking her a question or kind

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of you know, calling one of
her decisions into in a question or kind

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of judging one of her decisions,
she absolutely kind of beats him down a

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little bit. And he seems to
be very much the like, Okay,

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hey, I don't want to start
your fight, like very unassuming, very

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much the you know, wearing his
his tweed jacket or call it, very

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much the professor kind of role,
you know, And it's very submissive,

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very much feeling. Yeah, you
can definitely see that she's in control of

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relationship. I'm gonna tell you right
now, I love this movie, so

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I feel like it's okay to take
some shots at it here and there along

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the way of this conversation. And
I'm gonna tell you on early on maybe

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one of the the worst uses of
Chinese food in a movie. Oh yeah,

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oh god, you well, don't
make Chinese food. Nobody don't make

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Chinese food. Sexy. No one's
meeting it in bad not that come on,

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not at all. For God's sakes, get some blinds. Well,

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it doesn't take long and just put
them up. On that comment, I

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will say this. I know we're
gonna be very careful not to spoil the

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big, the big twist ending the
big reveal. This movie's got a bunch

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of fun little twists, and I
know we'll get into a couple of them.

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But yeah, I won't say anything
about the curtains. However, let's

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talk about Nicole Kidman. So she's
coming off of a dead calm Days of

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Thunder, Far and Away. She's
always likable, right, absolutely, Yeah,

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this is fresh from Far and Away, that was just a year before

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in ninety two. This is big
hair Nicole Kidman days, right, Yes,

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So I'm always thinking of her as
like you know, doctor Claire from

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Days of Thunder and Shannon Christopher from
Far and Away when you first see her

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in this movie. She's very much
that type of character, right, Oh

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yeah, yeah, approachable, likable, down to earth, small town It's

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it's very interesting where her goes with
us. We've touched it on her a

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little bit, but it is very
interesting. This kind of turn for her

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as an actress. Yeah. Well, here she finally gets her chance to

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try an American accent, which she
pulls off really good, I think.

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Yeah, and she gets she gets
a sinister role, her first sinister role.

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So Bill Pullman. Okay, Scott
great actor, but his character,

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his character isn't too believable. How
many assistant deans on college campuses are providing

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guidance counseling meetings with students and working
closely with the police and checking up on

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students at their house. Yeah,
not to mention the back half of the

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movie. He goes full Sam Spade
detective mode. Right, it's just like,

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you know, maybe maybe maybe tone
it down a little bit. Yeah,

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I mean the believability of especially about
boundaries with the students, like going

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to a student's house. No,
Scott, we both went to college.

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I never even met the assistant dean. No, I mean, come on,

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who are we kidding here? Yeah, I don't know. I'll tell

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you what I do know. Alec
Baldwin as doctor Jeedhill plays, in my

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opinion, the second greatest role of
his career, the first being Mitch and

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Murray's messenger Blake in Glen Garry Glenn
Ross. His dialogue in that is incredible,

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but here, as Doctor Hill,
his delivery is indeed surgical, as

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he provides one of the greatest movie
monologues of all time. Can we can

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we take a quick listen to that? Yeah, let's do it. The

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question is do I have a God
complex? Doctor Kesler says yes, which

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makes me wonder if this lawyer has
any idea as to the kind of grades

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one has to receive in college to
be accepted at a top medical school,

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if you'll have the vaguest clue as
to how talented someone has to be to

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lead a surgical team. I have
an MD from Harvard. I am board

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certified in cardiothoracic medicine and trauma surgery. I have been awarded citations from seven

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different medical boards in New England,
and I am never ever sick at sea.

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So I ask you, when someone
goes into that chapel and they fall

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on their knees and they pray to
God that their wife doesn't miscarry, or

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that their daughter doesn't bleed to death, or that their mother doesn't suffer acute

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neural trauma from postoperative shock, who
do you think they're praying too? Now

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you go ahead and read your Bible, Dennis, and you go to your

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church, and with any luck,
you might win the annual raffle. But

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if you're looking for God, he
was in operating room number two on November

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seventeenth, and he doesn't like to
be second guest. You ask me,

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if I have a God, come
let me tell you something. I am

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God. Wow. Yeah, yeah, So there's for Alec Baldwin. I've

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got to say this movie is Alec
Baldwin's voice, right, his delivery of

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this. It's so calm and even
keeled, even when you know everything's kind

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of crashing down on him, and
there's that very low kind of growl underneath

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it. The just commands authority in
that in that situation and commands attention.

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I said it, I said it
back then, I'll say it now.

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One of the greatest missed opportunities in
the early nineties is that we didn't get

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Alec Baldwin playing Bruce Wayne Batman.
Oh that would have been interesting. It

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was right there. You know he
ends up. I know he did The

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Shadow, Yeah, and say what
you will about the Shadow. You know,

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it's fun whatever, But he's wasted
on that film because he could have

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the Batman and he could have had
Batman's We could have had Batman's voice with

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this kind of confidence, this kind
of coldness, and it still bothers me

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that we don't have that, although
it'd be interesting to know where how he'd

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make the distinction between Bruce Wayne and
Batman. Right, would he speak this

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way in a boardroom as Bruce Wayne? And then he's talking in the locker

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room and he's like, I really
want you to like me. I really

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want everybody to like me in it, So I'm going to say something that

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will start fresh. When he's talking
to doctor Robertson in the locker room,

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he's like, if you don't like
my jokes, don't laugh. If you

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have a difference of opinion, please
speak up. But if you ever say

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that I'm going to lose a patient, I'll take out your lungs with an

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ice cream scoop. That's kind of
like, oh god, okay, buddy.

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And in this kind of movie like
that's that's one of the places where

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you know it starts off by showing
this girl riding a bike and then being

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attacked in her house, right,
and then very soon afterwards you see the

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doctor in the operating room, threatening
another doctor with an ice cream scoop of

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all things. It squarely kind of
sets him up as like this guy's got

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kind of a villainous streak to him, and then he just goes right back

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into a smile and walks out.
You ask me if I have a bat

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complex, let me tell you something. I am Batman. See there,

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because then with all the early Warner
Brothers, he just reveals that he's Batman,

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and like the first half hour,
no secret identity laws, Scott,

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let's talk about a few more actors
Worth noton bb new Worth as Danta,

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the detective work in the Cyril rapist
case, pretty much the only person going

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for the Massachusetts accent. I mean
she she's leading hot into it, you

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know, pocket car not too far
from the yad can have it, Yad,

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Oh my god, and it's it's
I love it. It's a great

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departure from you know, doctor Lilith
Sterning from Crazy from Cheers, who were

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used to seeing her in just before
this, if not at the same time,

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I love seeing her in movies.
Obviously Jumanji is one of the ones

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that stands out, but this one, she does a great job. Maybe

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she could have done a little bit
more than pamphlets. I agree with Andy

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on that she is fantasting this,
but I love her. She'll always be

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Lilith to me, and I'm happy
that she's back this fall with the Fraser

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revival. I'm paramount. Plus I'm
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George. Okay, that that great
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a quick scene with George C.
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Yeah, that guy does no wrong. I don't care what the role is.

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Just put him in. You know. He's like, I'm in your

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movie, but I'm gonna do like
two minutes. Yeah. Yeah, he

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doesn't have to leave the chair.
He just his presence is enough. Yeah,

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he's ftastic. I'll tell another one
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a whole lot with a little bit
of time and Bancroft playing Tracy's wreck of

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a mother, and uh, it's
what I feel is in Oscar worthy performance.

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Honestly. Yeah, it's definitely a
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like she's she's playing somebody who's you
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see where her behavior has had an
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who Tracy has become and all this
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that she goes through, like the
dynamics of the performance in that scene when

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she's just kind of casually toying with
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couple of rage filled moments, she
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You know, I'm not saying that
she beats Anna Paquin for Best Supporting Actress

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at the sixty six Annual Academy Awards, but a nomination, a nomination should

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have been expected. In the least, I think I would think, Yeah,

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here's here's a fun one. Tobin
Bell, Jigsaw, John Kramer himself.

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He's playing the creepy maintenance man slash
serial rapist on campus, Yeah Scott.

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This same year, he's also causing
problems for Nicole Kimman's then husband Tom

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Cruise in the firm. He's made
a career out of playing I see creepy

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guys. Yeah, absolutely, And
that's one of the things, you know,

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seeing this through modern eyes, it's
very hard not to see him as

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as the threat. Like it was
a very Scooby Doo reaction I got to

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it seeing him carrying the what was
it, like a little filing cabinet He's

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walking into the office with, and
I'm like, oh, jigsaws here,

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Yeah, it's totally. It's gonna
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like, yeah, don't mind me
just putting on the hat. I'll tell

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you what he needs. He needs
to show up on like The Muppet Show,

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just as a palate cleanser, just
to give him a shot at being

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like a little bit of a nice
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would run. That plot would revolve
around him wanting to do like these musical

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numbers and these big extravagant things,
and everybody just like not wanting to do

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anything with him, just being afraid
of him, and be like, yeah,

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that's fine, we'll have this.
We'll have this big dance number.

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We'll all stand here like out in
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you. I I could see them
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Ernie's like, hey, let's let's
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you know, Toby bellboll And like, yo, I want to play a

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game. It'd be fantastic, man, I'll sell you what's fantastic. Gwyneth

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Paltrow, in her first adult role
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movie, and it's also the first
of three roles where she meets a very

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gruesome demise. Yeah, that was. That was disturbing. It was,

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but it's so enjoyable. Okay,
hot take. I am so anti Gwyneth

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Paltrow. I think I can't stand
her when she's in movies. Okay,

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So when I see her show,
you know, like she's you know here,

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She's in Andy's office complaining I can't
wake up on time. It's my

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fault that I remembers my exam.
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corpse that's rotting in the backyard,
I'm like, yes, I'm sorry,

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you know this seven contagion. When
when she meets a gruesome demise, it's

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it's her best work. I'm sorry. I will I will not redactions her.

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No, no, no, no, no no no, no.

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She she does do. I think
she does do a great job. It

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was a very surprising appearance. Like
when I'm I'm watching this with fresh eyes

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and not expecting to see her in
there, to see you know, a

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very young, big hair Gwyneth Paltrow. I was. I was sad to

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see obviously what happened to her.
But I think she did a good job

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of kind of, you know,
being one of the students and getting you

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to identify with her a little bit, probably like her a little bit.

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And then it's kind of like Tobin
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a she's she's a great actress.
Let's let's call it what it is.

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She is a great actress, but
she always plays characters that I find incredibly

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annoying. Like her most likable probably
was in seven, you know, and

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I was shocked. I wasn't glad
to see what happened to her and seven.

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I was shocked to see what happened
to her and seven when that when

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that first came out. But she
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was likable in that movie everywhere everything
else, I'm just so no pepper pots

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for you. Oh gosh, No, I was. Look, I was.

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I was okay with it the first
movie, the second movie, the

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third movie. When she put the
armor on, I was like, this

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is bullshit. I want to know
the come on, Shane Black, what

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do you what are you doing?
Yeah? You know the only thing that

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the only thing that I didn't like
about pepper Pots is that I had heard

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that she didn't actually watch any of
the performances or didn't see you totally buy

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into what was happening. And I
was like, Oh, don't do that,

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though, because I liked when,
like in in Homecoming, when she

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comes out and she's like, Oh, that's the best you've got. Fine,

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I love that scene. We stand
opposed, we will stand upposed.

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And before I lose the other three
Gwyneth Paltrow fans that listen to this show,

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I'm going to move on. There
you go, Scott, Let's let's

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talk about there's not a whole lot
of background on this movie. No,

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I was surprised by that. But
one thing that is that we got to

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talk about there is one more star
that we have not discussed, and it's

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the guy delivering the screenplay, because
we're talking about Aaron Sorkin. Yeah,

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yeah, Hot on the heels of
an enormous hit with a few good men.

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Yes, surprisingly, this is his
only work not nominated for an Academy

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Award or or a Golden Globe.
I read that and I was like,

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it cannot be right. But I
mean, it's Aaron Sorkin, it's got

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to be right, right, Yeah. Yeah, when you look at his

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his roster, I mean, he's
got what we just mentioned, the American

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President, Charlie Wilson's War, the
Social Network, Moneyball, He's had a

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ton of hits. Yeah, so
he absolutely knows what he's doing. Yeah,

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but I've heard that he's not all
that satisfied with this movie. He's

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not. And I have a theory
on why he's kind of down on this

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because let's let's let's be honest.
It's well written. It's got a creepy

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subplot with a serial rapist that segues
into a mystery plot. It feels like

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a Hitchcock movie, especially with the
clever plot twist reveal at the end that

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I know what we're not gonna We're
not gonna give away, you know,

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for the people that do want to
see this. Here's the thing, though,

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he was definitely at odds with Harold
Becker during the making this movie,

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and I think that's he's got a
bad taste in his mouth because of that.

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I don't know if you know this. So Becker asked Sorkin for a

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steamy sex scene between Kidman and Baldwin
and Sorkin refuses to do it. Talking

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about it in twenty seventeen, he
says, quote, I said, are

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you out of your mind? First
of all, I just did a movie

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with her husband. And second of
all, no, I'm not going to

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write down what I'd like to see
Nicole do and then hand the pages out

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to the crew and Nicole way to
go. Sorkin, right, yep,

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Yeah, I appreciate that he goes
to bat for you know. And again,

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this isn't like, you know,
Harold Becker has been in the game

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for a couple of decades at this
point, but this is not Aaron Sorkin's

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first rodeo. So and even if
it was, it's Aaron Sorkin, So

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you're not going to bully him,
you know. And the crazy thing is

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the scene exists that, you know, they just went and Becker just went

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and wrote it himself and and filmed
it. Sorkin has nothing to do with

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it. And that's that's I think
that's one of the reasons why he kind

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of disowns this film in a way. I think that probably explains the awkward

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Chinese food portion of it. That
just I mean, that's something that seems

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unnatural. I mean, I think
the the love scene, I think is

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necessary because it helps to illustrate one
of the dynamics going on on the neighborhood.

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And you know, it also shows
them being kind of a you know,

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a young couple and they're still you
know, very much in love with

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each other and you know, having
a lot of freedom in their own house

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and all this other kind of stuff, which kind of underlines that idea of

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that h that feeling of safety,
right being one of these nineties thrillers where

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it's kind of like you should feel
safe and secure in this situation, but

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then there's this element that turns it
on its head, that makes it very

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uncomfortable, and that's very much Jed
when he comes in and he kind of

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shuts all that down, Like it
goes from you see the one love scene

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between Tracy and Andy, and then
juxtapose that with when doctor Hill is in

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and he has the nurse over and
they have a fun time upstairs, and

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she's absolutely hating it. She's like, say, just looking at the ceiling

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with total disdain. So I think
it's necessary, but I think credit to

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Aaron Sorkin to say, let's not
make this you know, big and steamy

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and exploitive, like it's not that
kind of an it's not that kind of

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story. Ye, we don't have
to see a big, steamy sex scene.

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The thing is he wants a steamy
scene between her and Alec Baldwin,

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and that scene I'm not it's not
steamy, you know, and it's not

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as revealing. So it but it
also works. It fits, like especially

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the tone of how they are with
each other, you know, and the

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way she's talking in that in that
moment, like what she's done it full

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on revealed to who she really is. But initially when it's with Andy and

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it's supposed to be gentle, it
feels a little gratuitous. Yeah, in

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a way. So it's I don't
know, it's it's odd, but Scott,

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I want to let's let's talk about
the pivotal scene here, you know,

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and you know when we talk about
these, it's it's not what you

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saw on the trailer. It's not
the big climactic moment, but you know

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you need it because it tells you
a lot about this movie without telling you

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a lot about the movie. You
know, Do you have a scene like

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that in mind? Yeah? So
the one for me is a conversation over

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a single malt scotch, Yes,
for sure. Like that's the one where

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it's a bit of exposition that kind
of goes into, you know, helping

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Andy understand what's kind of unfolding in
front of it, right because he has

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several suspicions about some things that are
going on. There's a lot of tensions,

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a lot of things that he's kind
of confused about and trying to explore.

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He's just trying to find answers.
Right, his entire life has been

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turned upside down an inside out,
but this one conversation makes it all clear.

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And the the way that he you
can start see him kind of start

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to break down, but you can
also see him kind of turn from this

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unassuming professor into somebody who's going to
finally take charge of his life and try

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to try to stand up for himself. This is where and Bancroft is spectacular.

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Yeah, and you know it's it's
great because you know, you gotta

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if you're if your heart is breaking
for Andy at any point in this movie,

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it's got to be right here because
he has found out some he goes

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through a major crisis with his wife, you know, and her accident at

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the hospital. Then he gets some
very disturbing news and then you know,

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the lawyer kind of puts him on
the right track, and then he just

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finds out the truth about Tracy's nefarious
past. I mean, can this guy

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catch a break? He can't,
but we can. So that's pour a

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single ball Scotch. We'll be right
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we're back, all right? So, Jeff, what else can you tell

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us about Harold Becker? Surprisingly,
there's not a whole lot to tell about

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this guy, but I can't tell
you next month. He celebrates his ninety

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fifth birthday on September twenty five,
one day before I celebrate mine. Yeah.

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He attended the prestigious Pratt Institute,
where he studied art and photography and

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began a career as a still photographer. From there, he cut his teeth

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directing TV commercials and documentaries. In
nineteen seventy two, he co directed his

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first feature film, The Ragman's Daughter
with Salder Harris, and from there he

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he kind of becomes associated with the
with the the New Hollywood movement and gains

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a reputation for directing thrillers. So
what is that New Hollywood movement? Tell

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me a little bit more about that. This is this is a moment where

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Brad Kozo would be fantastic because he
would give us a very perfect answer.

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But I will tell you this the
New Hollywood movement, This is a time

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in the mid sixties to the early
eighties classic Hollywood has kind of been declining

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and they're losing money. Studios are
being brought up by by corporations, and

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this is kind of the moment where
the film director becomes the the go to

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guy over the studio, like the
you know, you don't need a studio

404
00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:48.160
to put a picture out, you
need a director, and you gotta think

405
00:31:48.200 --> 00:31:52.359
about this is this is the time
of Scorsese, Coppola, Lucas, Spielberg,

406
00:31:53.279 --> 00:31:56.680
all these guys, these young filmmakers. They're on the rise and they're

407
00:31:56.680 --> 00:32:00.799
gonna change Hollywood, you know.
Yep. And and Harold Becker was part

408
00:32:00.839 --> 00:32:07.839
of it. So he's got a
pretty eclectic filmography. I know we're probably

409
00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:10.880
not gonna talk about every movie because
Scott, I'll be honest with you,

410
00:32:10.920 --> 00:32:15.359
I've not seen some of some of
his work, But if you don't mind,

411
00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:19.039
I do want to kind of skip
around a little bit and talk about

412
00:32:19.079 --> 00:32:22.079
some of them. Yep. So, look, when you co direct something,

413
00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:28.240
I don't see that as basically being
your feature film debut. So in

414
00:32:28.319 --> 00:32:31.400
nineteen seventy nine, he does this
movie called The Onion Field. Did you

415
00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:36.039
see this one? No? I
didn't see it, but I'll tell you

416
00:32:36.119 --> 00:32:37.680
right now. I do want to
see it. He's kind of also known.

417
00:32:37.799 --> 00:32:42.240
I didn't mention this, but he's
kind of known for working with some

418
00:32:42.359 --> 00:32:45.599
very amazing actors and actresses early on
in their career, and he's got a

419
00:32:45.599 --> 00:32:51.680
reputation for getting great performances out of
these people. And it kind of starts

420
00:32:51.720 --> 00:32:55.359
here with the Youngion Field. He's
got James Woods, Ted Danson, Ronnie

421
00:32:55.359 --> 00:33:02.119
Cox, Christopher Lloyd who we met
recently. Scott. Yeah, so Ngonfield.

422
00:33:02.640 --> 00:33:05.440
I don't know a whole lot about
this when I haven't seen it.

423
00:33:06.799 --> 00:33:10.799
LA police officers murdered, and you
know there's some loopholes keeping the kidnappers from

424
00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:15.279
getting justice some you know, I
heard. The one thing I did here

425
00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:19.559
was that James Wood's got a lot
of accolades on this film. So interesting.

426
00:33:19.599 --> 00:33:22.279
I definitely put on the watch list. Yeah, and I think it

427
00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:25.200
was Ted Danson's first film, right, Yeah, first major film. So

428
00:33:25.279 --> 00:33:29.680
yeah, thanks checking out. Let's
jump to U. Let's jump to nineteen

429
00:33:29.799 --> 00:33:34.519
eighty one in a movie I'm guessing
you've probably seen. I don't know if

430
00:33:34.519 --> 00:33:37.759
this is his first team up with
George C. Scott. He does the

431
00:33:37.759 --> 00:33:43.079
movie Taps, So I've got to
admit that's one that I have not seen.

432
00:33:43.279 --> 00:33:45.240
You've not seen Taps. I have
not seen Taps. If you're gonna

433
00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:49.359
believe that, I mean, that's
one that it was so big, especially

434
00:33:49.400 --> 00:33:52.240
when it came out, But for
I would say through eighty five there were

435
00:33:52.279 --> 00:33:57.079
a lot of conversations around Taps and
how much an incredible movie it is,

436
00:33:57.640 --> 00:34:00.640
and it's almost like required reading.
I just yeah, man, not had

437
00:34:00.680 --> 00:34:04.279
that time to sit down with it. You gotta watch this one. You

438
00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:07.079
know, he's back with Ronnie Cox
again. You got Timothy Hutton, Sean

439
00:34:07.160 --> 00:34:09.559
Penn, Tom Cruise, and I
know you're a fan of this guy.

440
00:34:10.119 --> 00:34:15.559
Giancarlo Esposito is also when it's Scott
alright, alright, I gotta get Taps.

441
00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:17.760
Yeah, Taps. I know.
I know a lot of our listeners

442
00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:21.519
they've had to have seen Taps.
So we're not gonna talk too much about

443
00:34:21.519 --> 00:34:23.239
Taps, but I highly recommend it. If you have not seen it,

444
00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:29.880
you gotta check it out. Moving
along to nineteen eighty five, this might

445
00:34:29.920 --> 00:34:35.199
be my favorite Harold Becker film.
IM not gonna lie talking about Vision Quests.

446
00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:43.320
You've seen vision Quests, no Ah, you're breaking my man. This

447
00:34:43.400 --> 00:34:49.079
is this is the quintessential high school
wrestling movie. I mean, I know

448
00:34:49.119 --> 00:34:50.960
that. I know that's not a
big subject. I know that's a big

449
00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:57.840
genre, but come on, man, I modine Linda Figentino again Madonna,

450
00:34:57.960 --> 00:35:01.360
and like, I'm pretty sure this
is Madonna's feature film debut. Yeah,

451
00:35:01.360 --> 00:35:06.039
she's in the bar singing crazy for
you. Oh yeah, And that's been

452
00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:08.559
stuck in my head, you know, the whole time I've been prepping for

453
00:35:08.599 --> 00:35:15.000
this. Scott Vision Quests. Yeah, man, Vision Quests, I mean

454
00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:17.239
talk about and look, you're a
music guy. This is not one of

455
00:35:17.280 --> 00:35:23.199
the most kick ass soundtracks you've got
do Journey Madonna. You gotta see Vision

456
00:35:23.239 --> 00:35:29.679
Quest man, It's a homework assignment. Put that. I'm almost ready to

457
00:35:29.679 --> 00:35:32.599
do a double Harold Becker episode just
so we can do Vision Quests, and

458
00:35:32.599 --> 00:35:36.760
I'm gonna break the roles just so
you can watch it. But all right,

459
00:35:36.760 --> 00:35:39.880
we're gonna move on. He spent
the rest of eighty five doing music

460
00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:45.239
videos from Madonna, so you know, like her videos yep, which got

461
00:35:45.480 --> 00:35:51.760
continuous rotation on MTV. Yeah yeah, uh, late eighties. He's kind

462
00:35:51.760 --> 00:35:54.079
of he's doing a couple of movies
that you know, they're a little forgettable

463
00:35:54.159 --> 00:35:58.639
the Big Town the Boost. Truthfully, I've never even heard of him.

464
00:35:59.119 --> 00:36:02.960
Nope, Nope, what nineteen eighty
nine? I have heard of Sea of

465
00:36:04.039 --> 00:36:07.119
Love, Scott. This is the
movie that kind of puts Pacino back on

466
00:36:07.159 --> 00:36:10.199
the map. Have you seen this
one? Of course I have No.

467
00:36:10.840 --> 00:36:15.360
I haven't seen this. I was
seeing the trailer up and down in sideways.

468
00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:19.079
You've seen the trailer, well,
I mean I've seen it in you

469
00:36:19.119 --> 00:36:22.559
know, heavy rotation at the time, but I wasn't necessarily, you know,

470
00:36:22.599 --> 00:36:27.559
looking for al Pacino and Ellen Barkin
and you know, uh them steaming

471
00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:31.639
up the screen and you know,
with John Goodman in tow it looks interesting,

472
00:36:31.760 --> 00:36:35.679
but it is not. When it's
on my radar. This is like,

473
00:36:35.719 --> 00:36:37.400
this is like a basic instinct,
you know, you got You've got

474
00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:42.760
a detective. He's investigating a bunch
of murders. He gets involved with this

475
00:36:42.800 --> 00:36:45.119
woman and guess what, she might
be the one behind it? You know,

476
00:36:45.800 --> 00:36:49.320
Yep. I'll say no more,
Scott, because you know, it

477
00:36:49.400 --> 00:36:51.639
sounds like you've got a lot of
Harold Becker homework to do, and I

478
00:36:51.639 --> 00:36:52.719
don't want to run him for you. I've got a lot of homework.

479
00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:58.159
Yeah, we've been talking about Malice
in ninety three. A couple of years

480
00:36:58.239 --> 00:37:04.000
later, he teams back up with
with the Alpaccino does City Hall. Yes,

481
00:37:04.599 --> 00:37:07.760
okay, so you've seen city Hall. Yep. Okay, now we're

482
00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:13.239
now we're getting somewhere. Yeah,
well hold on, you know, let's

483
00:37:13.280 --> 00:37:16.320
talk about city Hall for a second. Yep. Alpaccino, John Cusack,

484
00:37:17.199 --> 00:37:21.920
Danny Aello. Yeah, and I
know that that was one. I think

485
00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:24.519
that was one where he got a
lot of attention. Again, he had

486
00:37:24.559 --> 00:37:29.920
a lot of press for for his
work on City Hall. Yeah. And

487
00:37:29.960 --> 00:37:35.119
this is also another another team up, another collaboration he does with Jerry Goldsmith.

488
00:37:35.320 --> 00:37:38.199
Because we haven't even mentioned it,
but Goldsmith is the man behind the

489
00:37:38.239 --> 00:37:44.280
score for Malice, which I love. It's got that it's got that lullaby

490
00:37:44.440 --> 00:37:49.159
like that innocent, safe moments of
it, and it's got the yeah,

491
00:37:47.679 --> 00:37:52.960
but terrifying words yeah, creepy turns. Yeah, yep. Yeah, So

492
00:37:52.639 --> 00:38:00.639
love love Jerry Goldsmith's work and City
Hall teams them up again. How about

493
00:38:00.920 --> 00:38:02.559
you mentioned Mercury Rising. This is
this is where he teams back up with

494
00:38:02.599 --> 00:38:08.320
Alec Baldwin. Yep. Your thoughts
on that one? Uh? So that

495
00:38:08.400 --> 00:38:15.760
one, it's it's it's hard not
to focus on the kid, the central

496
00:38:15.840 --> 00:38:20.679
kid in that movie. Yeah,
because I'm always going to see him as

497
00:38:20.719 --> 00:38:24.440
that kid from West Craven's New Namemare. I just can't shake it. Yeah,

498
00:38:24.480 --> 00:38:29.760
I mean he Okay, I'm with
you on that. I just I

499
00:38:29.800 --> 00:38:31.880
don't know. I kind of feel
like this one was kind of like a

500
00:38:32.840 --> 00:38:37.719
this is late nineties, and I
feel like Mercury Rising. While it was,

501
00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:45.480
it's good, it's not memorable.
Yeah, it's it's kinda I vaguely

502
00:38:45.519 --> 00:38:50.079
remember. I vaguely remember Bruce Willis
protecting a kid, right right, And

503
00:38:50.400 --> 00:38:52.360
I probably remember the post or more
than most of the movie itself. To

504
00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:57.960
be completely honest, and see,
that's not the good sign of a no,

505
00:38:58.119 --> 00:39:01.719
a good movie. That's that's all
right, Scott two thousand and one.

506
00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:07.599
He does He does his final movie, Domestic Disturbance. John Travolta,

507
00:39:07.760 --> 00:39:12.360
Vince Vaughan. Did you catch that
one? Yes? I like this one.

508
00:39:13.119 --> 00:39:15.119
Yeah, I thought, I think, you know, if it's if

509
00:39:15.159 --> 00:39:17.840
you're going to end the career,
it's good to end on a high note.

510
00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:24.079
I think that was great performances by
Travolta and Vallan. Well, Terry

511
00:39:24.079 --> 00:39:27.920
Polo, you know, playing the
wife was awesome in that too. Yep,

512
00:39:28.199 --> 00:39:31.840
yep, absolutely good catch. It's
it's not one that I go to

513
00:39:31.960 --> 00:39:37.199
on a regular basis. Also now, at the time I thought it was

514
00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:40.519
was very interesting. But it's it's
just not un heavy rotation. It's not

515
00:39:40.519 --> 00:39:44.119
to say it's not a good movie, it's just not one that keeps coming

516
00:39:44.159 --> 00:39:46.599
back. You know what's odd about
it is it comes out in two thousand

517
00:39:46.639 --> 00:39:51.480
and one, but it has a
distinct feeling of mid to late nineties to

518
00:39:51.559 --> 00:39:57.760
it. Yeah, yeah, that's
very true. Yeah. Well, I

519
00:39:57.800 --> 00:40:00.400
don't know a lot of you know
you I could say maybe hit and miss

520
00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:05.840
with his career, but I think
the hits are are big hits for Harold

521
00:40:05.840 --> 00:40:08.119
Becker. Yeah, I mean,
if nothing else, the you know,

522
00:40:08.719 --> 00:40:13.719
Taps and Vision Quest keep you on
the table. Will you please see Vision

523
00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:17.119
Quests soon? I will, I
will. It's on my list. All

524
00:40:17.199 --> 00:40:21.239
right. Well, look, let's
let's talk. Let's let's wrap up here.

525
00:40:21.320 --> 00:40:24.960
Let's talk about what you thought about
Malice Scott. Do you recommend seeing

526
00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:30.159
this film? I do, although
it's a very hard define. I don't

527
00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:34.079
know if you had a hard time
tracking this down, but I couldn't find

528
00:40:34.119 --> 00:40:39.840
any retinals online. I ended up
buying it on iTunes less than fifteen bucks,

529
00:40:40.239 --> 00:40:45.239
so I think it's definitely worth that
experience, or you know, going

530
00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:50.119
to the Dayton Johnson route looking for
it in physical media. I know that

531
00:40:50.159 --> 00:40:52.440
you can catch it at the library, But where did you happen to see

532
00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:57.599
this one? I happen to pull
this right off the shelf. I own

533
00:40:57.719 --> 00:41:00.840
a physical copy of this one.
I gotta I got a DVD that,

534
00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:05.199
you know, I'd love to update
to a Blu ray if it's out there.

535
00:41:05.280 --> 00:41:07.639
But absolutely, I say, I
see this movie. It is worth

536
00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:13.880
the price of admission for Alec Baldwin
and and Bancroft's performances alone. Yeah,

537
00:41:14.320 --> 00:41:15.559
yeah, for sure. Yeah yeah. And it's sad. I mean I'm

538
00:41:15.559 --> 00:41:19.239
sad that it's not streaming anywhere,
even for like, hey, you rent

539
00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:21.719
it for a couple of bucks.
You know, if you if you want

540
00:41:21.719 --> 00:41:23.760
to see it, you gotta you
gotta buy it. You know, I

541
00:41:23.760 --> 00:41:25.840
know you can purchase it. You
bought it on iTunes. I know you

542
00:41:25.880 --> 00:41:28.800
can also get it on YouTube,
you can get on Apple, you can

543
00:41:28.840 --> 00:41:34.199
get on Amazon. I know you've
I would never have thought about it,

544
00:41:34.239 --> 00:41:36.679
so I listened to you guys on
a film at forty five when you start

545
00:41:36.719 --> 00:41:40.079
talking about going to the library and
renting them, So I kinok that out,

546
00:41:40.599 --> 00:41:43.920
Yeah for sure. I mean there's
a lot of these movies as they

547
00:41:43.920 --> 00:41:45.960
start to get a little bit older
and possibly a little bit more obscure,

548
00:41:47.199 --> 00:41:53.559
they're just not in that you know, streaming rotation. But you know,

549
00:41:53.599 --> 00:41:58.360
it's it's a it's a great way
to pick them up and also get that,

550
00:41:58.960 --> 00:42:01.079
you know, slightly in depth behind
the scenes, if there's commentary,

551
00:42:01.159 --> 00:42:06.280
if there's documentaries. You know,
it's it's something I kind of miss about

552
00:42:06.360 --> 00:42:08.960
streaming. You don't necessarily get that
kind of depth with those. You kind

553
00:42:08.960 --> 00:42:14.280
of watch it and it disappears.
So yeah, definitely worth checking out.

554
00:42:14.320 --> 00:42:17.760
A lot of libraries let you reserve
it at that location, so it's easy

555
00:42:17.800 --> 00:42:22.079
for you to pick up and you
get it for a nice couple of days.

556
00:42:22.159 --> 00:42:24.199
So give it a shout out,
I say, you know, if

557
00:42:24.199 --> 00:42:27.599
you want to be patient, I
know, I know Brad has pointed us

558
00:42:27.639 --> 00:42:31.079
out several times where we'll do a
movie that is not available anywhere and then

559
00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:37.199
within like a couple of weeks it
shows up on on Max or Paramount Plus

560
00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:42.599
or Pluto or two by, So
be patient. And you know, look,

561
00:42:42.760 --> 00:42:45.400
if you want to spend fourteen ninety
nine and buy it, Uh,

562
00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:47.840
if you're really that upset with it
and you don't like it, uh,

563
00:42:49.039 --> 00:42:52.400
just write us and Scott will refund
your money, right Scott, Uh sure,

564
00:42:52.679 --> 00:42:57.480
sure, sure, Uh We're okay
that that's We're not doing that.

565
00:42:57.480 --> 00:43:04.639
That was just I'm just busting Scott's
shops. But please do contact us at

566
00:43:04.679 --> 00:43:07.159
a film by podcast dot com.
We got some fun stuff there. Now.

567
00:43:07.079 --> 00:43:09.800
The website kind of has been getting
up polished. You know, there's

568
00:43:09.800 --> 00:43:14.239
some trivia stuff on there, and
you know there's some fun stuff there.

569
00:43:14.440 --> 00:43:17.159
Get ahold of us there. Uh. Streaming social media, you know,

570
00:43:17.639 --> 00:43:21.280
at a film by podcast you can
you can find us on a Facebook,

571
00:43:21.320 --> 00:43:27.320
Twitter, YouTube. Love interacting with
people, Love hearing your thoughts on some

572
00:43:27.400 --> 00:43:30.159
of these these films. So if
you've got something to say, please let

573
00:43:30.239 --> 00:43:32.639
us know. Yeah, for sure. And Jeff, where do we have

574
00:43:32.760 --> 00:43:37.199
coming up next? Oh? You
know all this talk about im Bancroft.

575
00:43:37.039 --> 00:43:42.960
Next week we're discussing her husband,
mel Brooks, with not one but two

576
00:43:43.039 --> 00:43:47.400
episodes. First up, Amber Lewis
from The Docking Base seventy seven podcast joins

577
00:43:47.480 --> 00:43:53.079
us to discuss high anxiety and Scott, I'm happy to say you'll be back

578
00:43:53.760 --> 00:43:59.960
to discuss Silent Movie on our limited
nineteen seventy six series yep and again.

579
00:44:00.039 --> 00:44:01.800
And that's one where it's you know, it's it's not a lot easy to

580
00:44:01.800 --> 00:44:07.280
find, but it's definitely worth checking
out. Absolutely well, we thank you

581
00:44:07.320 --> 00:44:10.000
for checking us out. We will
see you next week, all right,

582
00:44:10.079 --> 00:44:10.760
Thanks everybody,